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The movements the Scotland independence vote has arousen in Europe

Monday, September 15th 2014 - 04:18 UTC
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In Europe's eastern half, the disintegration of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia created many new countries. In Western Europe, however, borders of the old nation states seemed to be carved in stone and although there have been secessionist tendencies, some of them militant, they never seemed to have a shot in reality, according to a Deutsche Welle report from Berlin. Read full article


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  • Englander

    Scotland is holding high the torch of freedom for everyone. Certainly Scots will be individually poorer and the Country may well go bankrupt unable to pay pensions and benefits but what price freedom.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    better together despite Scotland getting more per capita.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    I fully support self-determination for nations that are part of a state.

    Sometimes multinational states proposer and sometimes they don't. Within the EU umbrella many of these regions would be successful.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Felipe Ordoñez de Rivera

    Has “arousen” in Europe? Is this some form of Spanglish? Has “aroused” surely.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    lndependence for Mercia(including Yorkshire!) Only joking.
    We need the south-west for supplies of Scrumpy.!
    The best fish & chips l ever had was in Norfolk, so we need East Anglia too.
    l have relatives in the Borders, loved breakfasts on their farm, so they'll have to stay!
    Friends in Wales & London, need them.
    Darn it all, we may as well stay together.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    If the jigsaw breaks apart,
    one thing is a certainty
    one day in the future a man/or woman will want it all united,
    call it what you wish, empire or just plain land grabbing,
    greed , ambition , whatever,

    decisions made today will affect our future descendants
    please don't give them the impression that even in the 21st century, we were still acting like were in the 13/16/or eighteenth century,
    and still want to be divided,

    united we were, united we are, united we should remain.
    just my opinion.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • womble

    When Yugoslavia broke up, the countries were temporarily known as Former Yugoslavia.

    So, could the remnants of the UK be known as Former UK?

    The new campaign slogan - “For FUK's Sake, Vote NO!”

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    You obviously haven't tried fish and chips from Whitby, North Yorkshire....

    Come on Mercopress....there is no such word in English as AROUSON
    Do I have to give you...English lessons as well....?

    The movements the Scotland independence vote has aroused in Europe...

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Let's hope they don't have a Jim “there's gonna be a reckoning” Sillars in their ranks.

    Sillars must be short for Silly arse.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @1. Freedom from what? Freedom from English subsidies. Freedom to be defenceless. Freedom to be penned inside scotland. Who's planning to cross the border on an English road? Visas currently cost a minimum of £250. Hey ho, family of four heading for Dover. Add £1,000. And adequate travel and medical insurance. And adequate available funds. Usual conditions for non-EU nationals. Scotland must be excluded from the CTA.
    @6. No. England, Wales and Northern Ireland will still be the United Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Then there'll be scroteland.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    I have no doubt that a new industry will flourish north and south of the border devoted to fleecing honest travellers for as much as possible. A return to a modern version of the Border Reivers perhaps.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    The independence demo in Barcelona was impressive.

    Even if Spain blather on about it being constitutionally impossible to let Catalonia have an official referendum, the non-binding one will be interesting if the Catalans vote yes, as the Catalans give twice as much in taxes to Lovejoy as they get back.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    .....let me just sneak in on tippy toes....quietly does it...and change that typo to AROUSEN...
    ....sneak back out again with a beamer and hope nobody notices....

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Why aren't you out canvassing?

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Canvassing for whom....?
    There isn't a single post that I have made ever... that would indicate a support for either camp....
    I have argued pro's and cons, but never showed a support for either the Union or the Nats....
    I defend Scotland...not a party....
    If you can show me otherwise feel free.....
    ...I am for what is best for me and's my life ...not yours, not the UK's.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malicious bloke

    You forgot the people's republic of South Devon.

    You northern monkeys can piss orf. Once we march on Truro and evict the 6-fingered inbred celtic untermensch, we'll be unstoppable.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • McClick

    '' YES '' to Scotland independence...

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton


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  • 4n conTroll



    2000 of war, barbarism, and utter failure.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton


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  • 4n conTroll

    I told you all long ago, that come the year 2100 I would bet $1000 that the Argentine flag will still be waving.... but NONE of today's European flags will.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    So there's going to be no wind in Europe....but windy in Argentina..?...OK....

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    There is no future in Europe. Just more wars, ethnic cleansings, religious persecutions, genocides, and terrorism.

    Just as it has been... forever.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton


    you wont be alive in 2100 so your bet is rubbish.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice had best hurry up and visit before it's gone....
    ...can tell your grandchildren...“yeah I was there...I saw it all before the decline in the 2000's....
    I tried to warn them...but it was too late....
    I told them I knew better, from all my experience.....they wouldn't listen....thought I was a troll....”

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    ha ha ha .

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll


    There is nothing in Europe that I cannot see in Argentina.

    I can get on a car here and travel around this country and go to Bariloche (Switzerland), Villa Belgrano (Germany), Lincoln (Ireland), Gaiman (Wales), Rafaela (Italy), Villa Angela (Yugoslavia), Obera (Ukraine, Sweden, and Norway), Daireux (France), Tres Arroyos (Netherlands), Concordia (Basque Country), Junin (Galicia), Hurlingham (England and Scotland), San Rafael (Piedmont), Bahia Blanca (Veneto, Tuscany), San Nicolas (Campania, Sicily)... I have seen all of Europe and it's people, food, and architecture.

    I don't need a passport to see the world. And the only country where I can drive on a highway from the Jungle to the Tundra and a glacier.

    No need to ever leave.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 27 4n conTroll

    I agree, don't EVER leave and DON'T EVER come to Uruguay.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    “I have seen all of Europe and it's people, food, and architecture.”

    In Argentina!

    How parochial and naïve.

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    So....what are the medieval castles of Argentina like....anything like Carcassonne in Southern France...the scale is huge a whole town inside it....
    How about the Roman walled city of York with it's huge Minster...anything like that....
    Ever been to Rome or Venice it's quite difficult to put into words.....London the place is steeped in history....
    .....try climbing up to the ‎Acropolis of Athens...anything like that there.... see and wonder at the birth of civilisation is something else.....
    ...all these things are a couple of hours flight for me.....a weekend break in Rome for less than a hundred quid.....
    I don't doubt that Argentina has some terrific natural beauty....but it's not the world and it's not Europe.....
    Visit....then make your mind up......

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    I can get on a car here and travel around this country and go to Bariloche (Switzerland),
    not without a boat , or unless you are not in Argentina but in Europe, troll

    Sep 15th, 2014 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    My gut feeling is this this will be NO in the end, I don't want to see our IK broken up but I am painfully sick of listening to Scots and what they want.

    If they do get their independence, I am sure they will have a great party, but the hangover will last the rest of their lives. This article adequately demonstrates that getting into the EU will be a tough task and I just can't see them letting then in and providing a road map to many other independence movements.
    A future shadowing the pound. They must be mad!

    Sep 16th, 2014 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    I think the way the English are bending over to appease the Scots is embarrassing.

    I find it ironic (and very dim-minded on the part of the ENGLISH), that they point the finger at the continental EUians about the Euro-crisis being caused because countries were currency-linked but all ran their own budgets without a strong overseeing power (Central Bank and government).

    Yet they are promising the Scots far more “devolution” f they vote no.

    In essence, they would be creating a mini “Euro-zone”, where countries in the British Isles share the currency but each can run their budgets and deficits and spend as they see fit, without a strong central authority.

    That's also gonna end badly.

    Sep 16th, 2014 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    So the UK will become more federated than centralised.

    Hardly a bad thing considering different forms of federation are characteristic of some of the world's most successful countries..... US, Canada, Switzerland, Germany, Australia....

    And some not so successful countries such as Brazil, Argentina, Russia, India and Nigeria.

    I'm pretty sure I know which side of the ledger any British federative structure will fall on.

    Sep 16th, 2014 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    whether the YES or NO vote win.The damage has been done.The UK and Scotland relationship will not be like before.............

    Sep 16th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll


    This post was an embarrassment. You have not a clue about government layout.

    The UK is not even remotely a federation now, and even less if it stays intact. It is exactly becoming a customs and currency union.

    Australia a success like the US or Germany? HAHAHAHAHA.

    Sep 16th, 2014 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    Refrerendums are to ask secondary subjects and must be adressed to everybody, not only Scotland, and the President that allows the referéndum should be neutral.
    your president said he would accept the decission of “falkklanders” referéndum (ilegal) why not of scotland too??
    And why cannot scotish peple living abroad vote, while malvineros also living abroad could vote??'

    Sep 16th, 2014 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    President President President President President President
    Repeat please----repeat please
    President President President President President President

    O great malen, please name this Scottish / English / British president.

    Sep 16th, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @37 malen,
    lf our referendum was illegal, what does that make Argentina's occupation of Patagonia & stolen Paraguayan land?
    Even more illegal?
    Who says that our referendum was illegal? Only Argentina?
    Don't make me laugh.
    The UN says that we are doing nothing wrong.
    You need to wake up & stop chasing the dragon.

    Sep 16th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    37 no reply, no interest , no truth.

    Sep 17th, 2014 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    isolde babe
    the whole mercosur and the rest of america consider that joke of referendum illegal.

    Sep 17th, 2014 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR


    FFS open you mind a little.

    That is the evidence of an illegal referendum, MERCOSUR, the thugs and crooks club?

    If you ever mean to be taken seriously on here you need to start thinking for yourself for once.

    Sep 17th, 2014 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @41 paulcedron,
    pauliboy, we consider mercosur to be a corrupt, biased, illegal operation.
    So your views don't count.
    ln our country, our views DO count.
    Try to have a nice evening.

    Sep 17th, 2014 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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