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US insists with Argentina it does not support the UN sovereign debt debate
As Argentine President Cristina Fernandez readies for her annual trip to New York to speak at the United Nations General Assembly, US interim ambassador in Buenos Aires Kevin Sullivan ratified that Washington will not back the UN sovereign debt resolution sparked by Argentina’s legal battle with its holdout creditors. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDearest Cristina,
Sep 16th, 2014 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you remember that very inhospitable seizure of our U.S. Air Force C-17 transport plane sent as part of a training course for local police in 2011?
Yours very truly,
Barrack
SImple really: they don't support us in debt law, we don't support them in trade law.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0We already single-handedly torpedoed their ALCA dream in 2005 of free trade from Alaska to Chile , and surely we will do it again next time.
Is that support for debt law you are speaking of or “deadbeat” law.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think of is as you wish.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is quite similar to US support for a free-trade area.... or was it a free-trick-area, where the US would have been able to export everywhere, but everyone else (especially Argentina), would have been denied access to the US market.
The US is fake free trader and it was called out in 2005.
3 Bushpilot
Sep 16th, 2014 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0nobody is in danger of taking Argentina and Nostrils seriously.
Ignore him, don't rise to the bait :-)
@4
Sep 16th, 2014 - 05:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes, the North American Free Trade Zone. Pity Argentina wasn't invited to join that, can't imagine why. ;)
“We already single-handedly torpedoed their ALCA dream in 2005 of free trade from Alaska to Chile , and surely we will do it again next time.”
Sep 16th, 2014 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0US currently has FTAs with:
Canada
Chile
Colombia
Costa Rica
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Guatemala
Honduras
Mexico
Nicaragua
Panama
Peru
Other than Brazil, not really missing anyone important. It's gotten agreements with the third, fourth, fifth and seventh largest economies in the region.
Argentina got Venezuela as a consolidation prize.
Life in Argentina is going to get worse at an increasing rate. However, exceptions for the likes of tobias. When one does not have anything or anyone it really does not matter. For others, it matters. Looking at Argentina's current trade policies, if you can call that a policy, I am sure the USA is thankful to Argentina.....
Sep 16th, 2014 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor guy was summoned to Mr Potatoheads office yesterday for saying its in Argentina's best interest to leave default.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentina Embassy post must be reserved for people that pissed off POTUS. It must be hard for them to decipher Rgcrazy all day.
Now don't you think most prudent and savvy people safe that “ in my office now” card for something truly worth fuming over? I mean really, over someone telling them to get out of default! Next they will be summoning them for claiming Argentina is in SA.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 010. Chavez used to that kind of b/s all the time too. It's a sign of weakness.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next thing you know they'll be expelling people for “fomenting a coup” by going to a baseball game and giving out baseballs/mitts/bats
There's all kinda crazy in these types of countries.
@10
Sep 16th, 2014 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was not the reason. The reason was that the ambassador of a supposedly friendly country tells the country he is being hosted by that he and his country does not support the process that would get Argentina out of default, and that further he supports the process that destroyed Argentina in the first place (the ”current' system).
Obviously he wishes at best the enslavement and impoverishment of Argentina, at worst its collapse. Ambassadors around the world have been called for far far less than asking for the destruction of the country in which you are a diplomat.
Both the Democrats and Republicans in the US have nothing but disgust for the corrupt Argentine ruling party. If the Peronists loose power, there might be a change of opinion. Right now, Cristina is persona non grata.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13
Sep 16th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well that's too bad.
No one in Argentina cares.
I think its funny Toby believes what the delusional nutbags running his country are doing is going to help them get out of default.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really really think the water has been poisoned.
@12
Sep 16th, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's called the truth.
They will not support you at the UN, what you want him to do?
LIE!
Whoops, what a silly question, forget I asked it!
Yankeeboy#15
Sep 16th, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's the boy sniffing too much glue and not cleaning his pipes syndrome...
It affects many that have both the physical obesity and the feeble mental capacity to accept reality.
14.70/1
Sep 16th, 2014 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I shiver with antici...pation.
@16
Sep 16th, 2014 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So don't whinge then when Argentina does not act friendly towards the US, UK, or Europe.
Why should we when YOU don't?
Why should you be nicer to the civilized world? Look to Venezuela, Cuba, N Korea, Iran to see what going against us does to your country. Starvation.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Silly boy fighting the system won't do you or your country any good. It will just continue to make you poorer and dumber.
Why is that so hard for you to understand when there are so many examples to see where it has and will always fail?
@20
Sep 16th, 2014 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has been against the US for 150 years. You are silly.
Fail? You mean communism? Sure it has failed, so has capitalism? I believe in neither.
14.85/1 its making a bit of a run for it today...
Sep 16th, 2014 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USA does not support the UN sovereignity debt debate............and??
Sep 16th, 2014 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what???
Sovereignity debts are financial troubles that concerns all countries, and as they are sobereign, affects directly the finances of every country and its future and its people. So its sth the UN can debate, and it seems that more than 100 countries want to debate. There are things to change. Those who dont want to debate can not debate.
There are some power countries countries that decides over others countries lives, future, invading and killing making alliances between themselves, in what is call “international community”, 20 or 30 countries, not consulting the UN. I feel sorry for the Middle East innocent people, región, resources, lives.
#23
Sep 16th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, those power countries do decide over other nationalities future by financing the development of their economies. Unfortunately, many corrupt leaders of nations such as Argentina use the money instead to increase their offshore bank accounts and build luxury hotels in places like Patagonia...
Argentina ALSO has a nasty habit of invading other countries and killing opponents by dropping their drugged bodies into the South Atlantic...
@24
Sep 16th, 2014 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look up the definition of habit. You'll find that you will have to come to the conclusion that your English is useless.
24 those power countries do decide over other nationalities future by financing the development of their economies.........yes, the debate should be to find a way in which countries can pay no compromising the countries future and returning the money to those countries that lend it. When a debt is restructured by more tan 90 %, which arrangement can be made.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0many corrupt leaders of nations........justice to those.
Argentina ALSO has a nasty habit of invading other countries and killing opponents by dropping their drugged bodies into the South Atlantic........ invade other countries?? Triple Alliance War, was not began by Arg.
Killing opponents by dropping them in SA.......cosa juzgada, in jail, sth others never do. And it was not people of other countries, it was not a war either, it was state repression from a militar junta, I understand that your military also killed opponents in Chile.
Chile never had a dictatorship. They are squeaky clean angels. They also have never made a mistake, and they are also unassailable. They may also have the blood of the Gods in them.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 4nTroll
Sep 16th, 2014 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Fail? You mean communism? Sure it has failed, so has capitalism? I believe in neither”...
Ok, so if in your valuable opinion, both have failed, what do you suggest in their place ? the simple exchange of goods and services, without money being involved ? I suppose you do realize that that is the most primitive form of trading, which evolved into what capitalism is today, and that the “capital” has to be owned by someone....no capital, no production, no wages, no consumption, plenty of nothing....just a bunch of cavemen running around and grunting at each other.
@24 Chicureo
Beware, the Master of English has spoken ....
Jack,
Sep 16th, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really am holding my head in shame. I just cannot keep up with this master of the English language, which an esteemed contributor just noted, used an extensive vocabulary of words such as: “.....asseverations, sublunary, noetic, ribald verbiage, generaliations, obnubilations...”
The only special vocabulary I personally have consists of Spanish profanities and naval terms, which many times ares the same...
@28
Sep 16th, 2014 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mercantilism. Like the High Middle Ages. There were no super rich people, just plenty of wealthy people, and a huge worker class with some mobility.
Adopted to a modern world, it could work. In Mercantilism only profitable viable businesses get finance to expand, not just any ill-conceived pyramid scheme, this being the source of such inequality today. The rich can gamble all the money in the world and keep the profits when they win the bet, and be bailed out by the poor when they lose it.
Then you wonder why the gap has grown so much?
#29 that is because he suffers a serious inferiority complex. No one.....even the most educated speaks with words he tosses us in his fatuous ramblings. Using seldom used terminology or terminology used in texts and journals makes him feel more than what he knows he is.......nothing and insignificant at best. If he does not pat his back no one else will. He just loves eating his shit and barking at full moons.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman's mad at Kev babe. Wear it proud Kev - you just made my Christmas card list.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tinman searched high and low and finally found his balls and screamed and Kevin. And with the implied action of evicting him. I wish he would have evicted Kevin.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#31 & 32
Sep 16th, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suggest you both take a look a Unsurping Pirate' post over at Falklands Islands' Mine article. Brilliant!
Timerman, by “severe consequences” do you mean that you are actually going to do something other than talk? Attack Miami? You've already got an invasion force in place there - oh wait: They're not campers - they're condo shoppers. Sorry. Never mind.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With is most hilarious about this. In the free world where speech and governmental critism is not a treasonous crime, countries respond to words like that of Sullivan like noseeums flying, they are swatted away. In Argentina, statements like Sullivan's get them hauled in from of the Grand Puba for “crimes against the government”.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile WTF are you? You need to take this country over and put these people out of their misery.
Ferkin hell, Titman is accusing him of breaching the Vienna Convention, would you ferkin believe it?
Sep 16th, 2014 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well yes actually.
Quick, make a break for the Ecuadorian Embassy, you'll be safe there!
PMSL, yet again.
@30, “Mercantilism. Like the High Middle Ages. There were no super rich people, just plenty of wealthy people, and a huge worker class with some mobility.”...
Sep 16th, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REALLY ?? you don't belive that there were no super rich ? then what is “wealthy”.....and the feudal system....you think that afforded the worker class, mobility ???
Better study some more...
And one small detail you've forgotten...in that age, the world had about 100 million people....today, “only” 7 billion plus...but it's easy to adapt ....suuure !
If only Tinman had apologized and kissed Hillary's arse for that nasty political stupidity involving a C-17 transport plane in 2011...
Sep 16th, 2014 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38
Sep 17th, 2014 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0So your solution is more of the last 8 years, which has seen every 1st world country go through an economic crisis. That was only reserved to 3rd world countries. Now everyone suffers them. If its such a great system, why is it growing more and more unstable and middle classes are shrinking ALL OVER THE WORLD?
How do you explain those?
40. Smelled 'ya before I beheld you. Haven't miss you a bit, Smeagol.
Sep 17th, 2014 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Sep 17th, 2014 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can't defend the system you champion either. Telling.
@42
Sep 17th, 2014 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny thing is you keep championing an openly criminal gang. The same one that has bankrupted your country. Can you spell “L-A C-A-M-P-O-R-A?”
Between a home grown criminal gang, and a foreign criminal gang.... I think the choice is clear.
Sep 17th, 2014 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your choice, Citizen. La Campora it is! ;)
Sep 17th, 2014 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Smeagol I love that name.......lol.
Sep 17th, 2014 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course.........only in Argentina would there be choices between criminal elements.
@46
Sep 17th, 2014 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've chosen the foreign criminal gang, which of course isn't foreign to you at all. It is still criminal.
Slave away, muppet
Sincerely,
Capitalist bankers
You are a waste of oxygen tobi......and a waste of neurons. I can hardly wait to the time when you can not longer get online. Your puerility is getting old with each passing day. Perhaps one day you will allow yourself to finally see what the real world is actually like as opposed to your virtual world. But, because you cannot you comeback should be along the lines of...” you have no desires and you have eveything you need in Mendoza). Most intellectuals prefer and rely on empirical proof as opposed to conjecture to form well thought out positions.
Sep 17th, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why can't you accept that someone doesn't LIKE Europe or the USA, no matter how good you think it is?
Sep 17th, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does everyone have to like it? Why? Aren't you a bit arrogant much?
I can.....everyone can. However it's your extraneous and unsubstantiated statements that make you ridiculous. i.e.
Sep 17th, 2014 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#1: Taste this chicken dish
#2: No....I hate chicken
#1: When have you had chicken
#2 Never
#1 So how can you hate something you never tried
That is you. You've been to to hate because of you biased and pre-programmed subjections. Poor little puppy tobi. You should open your mind because the worlds is an amazing place filled with amazing people, mostly unlike the ones you read about or the ones that post here. Even most here do not hate to your level of being.
@40 4nTroll
Sep 17th, 2014 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I fully realize that with you there is little or no possibility of logical dialogue.
But I can spare a few minutes, so here goes : an economy, even if capitalistic, is subject to mistakes, and usually gets screwed up when government starts to meddle where it's not called. A few things get out of hand, but government interference is not the solution - the market is, which will eventually force things back to their right level..
As to Communism, don't think I need to explain that ...a complete and utter failure. You claim both have failed and instead you propose that the world go back to a middle ages type economy....only possible in a very small community...simply impossible in a globalized world with 7 billion inhabitants, the great majority of which are quite useless.
What d'you think made most economies evolve towards capitalism ??.....human nature, initiative and 'brains'......that will never change, but yet you, who are obviously not too familiar with the real world, believe you have the solution.... Next time you go to buy a loaf of bread, tell the baker you'll pay him with a pair of smelly socks....Good luck !!
Pretty soon, hospitals will have to shut down since most of their drugs, sterile supplies are imported.
Sep 17th, 2014 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Used syringes anyone?
I washed them in clorox, so I sure they're fine.
Yikes.
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