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Former PM Gordon Brown puts a date for Scotland reforms: 25 January
Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown told British leaders that they must honor their promise to grant further powers to Scotland after voters backed staying in the United Kingdom in an independence referendum. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis is a man who was voted out office, making binding policy pledges for the current government.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is a Scot - and Scots would believe him - and he was right. Cameron will do it - Milliband appears to be going back as fast as he can though.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you all remember when he was lauded by the Labour idiots for 'saving the world' at the start of the financial crash that was sparked by the US?
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well that worked out about as good as this bunch of nonsense will. Camoron held a lunch at Chequers yesterday for 20 'important' Conservatives who were ready to cut his remaining bollock off for not jumping on The Cunt Brown © Jeremy Clarkson 2010 and reminding him he was no longer anything but a lapsed MP.
The bad feeling within England towards the nationalists will only escalate if this nonsense isn’t dealt with properly. The Barnett formula also needs to be removed pretty damn quickly as well.
@3 you have to give Brown his due.that impassioned speech of his was the best of the campaign and I think swayed a lot of votes
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After the insulting remarks of salmon, all promises should now be withdrawn.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Salmond just shot the SNP in the political head, he has declared that a vote for the SNP will is a vote for independence through the back door of Holyrood. He is ignoring the democratic will of the Scots, he wants to set Scot against Scot, to satisfy his own political ambitions.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His party will soon have to fight the Scottish Parliamentary Elections and any opposition politician worth his or her salt, will constantly remind their electorate of that fact.
His party is going to suffer for his words.
I rest my case on the English.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Broken every promise they ever uttered, broken every treaty they ever ratified.
Nostrils- Give some examples and dates please/ I seem to recall UK entered WW1 in defence of France - and it entered WW2 in defence of Poland - so there are 2 treaties and promises honoured for a start.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about all the old imperial colonies that asked for - and were given Independence?
Compare them with the French and Spanish ones - how many of them got their Independence without having to fight for it?
Compare it with Argentina shall we - lets see - seems to have a string of broken promises over the Islands!
“I rest my case on the English.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Broken every promise they ever uttered, broken every treaty they ever ratified.”
No they haven't. Another lie.
Another outright lie.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't recall it exactly, but I believe that England made a treaty with Portugal in 1790 (?) that remains intact. Maybe some one can google it, I'm on my phone.
Now, let me see what exactly was Argentina doing in 1790?
Wanna google that?
lol!
Nostrum of NostrolL
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0If he tells the truth, he will come up with the evidence,
if he is a lie and not to be taken seriously he will not,
simple..
While it's a pleasure to expose this mewling little shit as a liar, he's really not worth the effort.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0If we give him the attention he craves, he'll do it again every time he's bored.
Please don't feed the troll
We already know he's mentally ill, but at the same time, he knows Cause & Effect and needs to learn what is not acceptable.
12@ troy tempest
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will add Nostrum of NostrolL to the list of twit twats to be ignored.
“ I will ensure as a promise keeper that these promises that have been made are upheld,” he said.”
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As long Brown and all Scottish MPs withdraw on votes concerning England, which is only fair, I'm sure the promises of more devolved power will be granted. Hopefully the UK (thanks to Salmond and referendum) will be split into 4 parliaments,(Westminster becoming the English parliament) whose MPs will vote on issues to do with individual countries and all come together to vote on UK only issues-thus removing the need to duplicate MPs from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, saving the taxpayers of each country a fortune.
What powers...?
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since the referendum I haven't heard one person..(normal everyday folk) show the slightest interest in what further powers will be devolved to the Scottish Parliament and more importantly how Scotland will be financially better off...
Even with the best predictions...with independence, the financial benefits were slight to negligible.
Certainly not enough to sway me....so what is the big deal...?
For most it was the romantic ideal of being independent that was the attraction...no one seriously thought Scotland was suddenly going to become wealthier....
I say move on...try and get a more balanced distribution of investment throughout the whole of the UK and this includes the North of England....the South can manage to have a little less for the good of the whole of the Union...
I say move on...try and get a more balanced distribution of investment throughout the whole of the UK
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed,
after all when things go wrong as they do sometimes, who then would get the blame
stick together.
Re: @10
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just to clarify.
England made a treaty with Portugal in 1360.
Recently (!), ratified in 1780.
Hmmm. ..
The longest standing treaty in modern history.
Over to you nostril boy.
What do you have to say now?
Facts Nostril. FACTS.
Any comments?
we made treaties with the Norsemen and the Vikings I wonder if they still stand buried away in some vault somewhere..
Sep 24th, 2014 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 it always rest it's case. Must have a lot of tiresome baggage in it.
Sep 24th, 2014 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't it realise that cases have wheels on them for some time.
Apparently the latest polls on Welsh independence was 3% in favour
Sep 24th, 2014 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0and 97 % against.
not bad.
Funny how nostril Trolley-boy never returns when proved irrefutably wrong.
Sep 25th, 2014 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Fool.
@19
Nice wordplay. I must borrow that from you sometime.
;-)
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