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Scottish lessons for the Falklands
By Fernando Petrella - The dispute over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands is unique. But Argentines can still draw lessons from the way Britain averted the prospect of Scottish independence. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYou'll need to negotiate with the Falkland Islanders not just the UK government.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that this person so blithely ignores or fails to understand that is the reason that Argentina is stuck in a pereprisal cycle of disappointment regarding this matter.
This individual is pontificating without seeming to notice that the UK government gave the choice to the Scots to make up their mind. Argentina MUST give the Falkland Islanders similar conditions and that means talking to them and not the UK.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0¡Que nabo!
We respected the right of the people of Scotland to self-determination. We did not negotiate with Norway to take Scotland over against its wishes. How did he manage to confuse the two?
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ .. considering it is the side with which we would negotiate over the Falkland Islands.”
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fundamental error. As far as the UK is concerned the matter is, as the Deputy Prime Minister said in 2012 - “settled.”
There is nothing to negotiate about. There is nothing to discuss with regard to sovereignty. There is no problem. Yes Argentina can be irritating in its breaches of Article 74 of the UN Charter, but such childish behaviour is what the world has come to expect from Argentina. Like a child throwing a tantrum, it is best ignored. Maybe one day Argentina will grow up, although it looks unlikely.
So - nothing to talk about and no real problem.
That's what Argentina needs to learn
If the Scottish referendum has demonstrated anything it is that the United Kingdom is so committed to the principle of self-determination it almost let itself be voted out of existence.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0With this in mind do the Argentine authorities really think we're just going to give them the Falklands against the wishes of the Islanders. These people are utter fools.
The usual blinkered bullsh*t from Argentina regarding the Falkland Islands.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the scottish indyref was about anything it was about the right to self-determination of the people who live in Scotland.
The UK will never “negotiate” with Argentina regarding the Falkland Islands unless and until Argentina recognises and respects the right to self-determination of the people who live there.
Fernando Petrella fails to mention the free fair, democratic and internationally monitored Referendum held recently in the Falkland Islands, by the People of the Falkland Islands.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0They voted to remain under British protection rather than to be colonized by Argentina.
What more is there to discuss?
“They show us a British government that was both determined and flexible when faced with the prospect of losing a very important part of its territory”
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders have had a referendum, just like Scotland, and voted (98%), just like Scotland, to remain a British territory.
Another fine example of Argentine political straw grasping.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm....Only one problem, the UK does not have to negotiate with Arg, it has nothing to negotiate. The UK has to negotiate with the Falklands if they wanted to be independent, but not with Arg.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0They just don't get it do they. They still think that the UN wants the UK to hand over the Islands to Arg because it says there should be peaceful negotiations to settle the issue. The UN has never stated that the islands should be handed over, just that there should be a peacefully negotiated settlement, however only full sovereignty would be accepted by Arg and that is their 'problem', they have to accept they may not get sovereignty in a settlement, but they are unwilling to understand that.
So the cycle goes on and they achieve nothing. The Falklands have already made their decision, if Arg accept the Scotch vote, then they have no choice but to accept the Falklands vote. They can try and bend/interpret the facts to their liking, but all this shows is that 'Self Determination' is accepted by the UK government and not by Arg.
If they are serious then all they have to do is ask the Falkland Islanders is they wish to be Argentinian and get them to organise a referendum (if they can), although I am sure the Islanders have a sense of humour, so maybe they would do it. Then you will understand the UK a bit better. Go on take a chance, see what happens.
Typical naïve fantasy brained Argentine!
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Scotland and the Scottish People decided the future of Scotland.
in 100% the SAME way that the Falklands people decided the future of the Islands.
Both Scotland and the Falklands have DECIDED their futures - its called Democracy. I appreciate a word whose understanding many millions of Argentines can never understand.
Can this person not understand that?
Oh yes - where did PM Cameron attempt “unilateral” negotiations in the referendum?
The RGs don't get it alright.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing to “negotiate”, so why would we bother even going through the motions.
Must be so frustrating for them, that they will clutch at any straw.
They want to “negotiate” directly with the UK, because they know how the lslanders feel(they'll get short shrift here)& they're hoping that the UK will just get sick & tired of the whole scene & say “take them off our hands”.
Ha ha, not likely, Argentina.
We'll be here when you have imploded.
Petrella is right, Argentina should reconsider its approach to the Falkland Islands.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The antagonistic economic blockade helps nobody, and least of all Argentina. Perhaps the arrival of the Chinese will help to re-orientate some thinking processes. Be nice to us and treat us as equal partners and neighbours for 50 years and we might begin to think you have finally grown up.
Self determination rules.
Only a person who is completly divorced from reality could spin Scotland's referendum the way Ambassador Petrella has. The referendum result brings absolutely no comfort for argentina, its demonstrates, once again, that the UK doesn't just pay lip service to democracy, it is prepared to take risks and back it. Remember 1982?
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina, on the other hand, is trying to take over the Falklands against the expressed wishes of the Islanders. Not to much democracy thereFernando!
Argentina must comply with the UN GA resolutions that have urged it to negiotiate a peaceful solution to its confected dispute, and renounce its fraudalent claim to the Islands which is heavy on emotion and very light on facts and start being a good neighbour.
Only then will it begin to rehabilitate its reputation in the eyes of the worlfd.
They behave like a small child who is incapable of understanding that no, means no and thinks that the more they throw a tantrum, the more likely they are to get their own way. In reality, it only results in a smacked ass!
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its the islanders you have to persuade and frankly I have more chance of persuading Jodie foster of sleeping with me than the Argentine goverment has of persuading the Islanders to become argentinan.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0become rich succesful and democratic and you might have a chance.
The lesson here is that their democracy is ages ahead of ours. And we better start learning something from the `ebil pirates´, or we are going to end up as chavist Venezuela.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is time that you Brits get your heads round the idea that NO nationalist and populist (mis)government in Argentina (and that is all of the damned things since 1983) wants the Islands to be handed over to them.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The whole point of the Falklands/Malvinas controversy is to blow smoke in our (the Argentine people's) eyes when the inevitable crisis, economic (usually) or political (sometimes) comes along.
Seriously if the FIG decided tomorrow to hand itself over to the Argentine there would be heart attacks throughout the kirchnerverse!!!!!
There must be a hotel somewhere in TDC stuffed full of idiots like this awaiting 'the call' to help the 'motherland'.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are all stamped from the same mould and use the same old tired computer programming to fill their head with TDC MUST, we DEMAND, have the 'Malvinas'.
There is not hope wnatsover for Argentina until Peronism is dead, a stake driven through its' heart and is burnt on an open pyre for all to see. And then I for one wouldn't believe it.
#18
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simon, you are right that the Islands are more use as a propaganda tool for now. But when their backs are against the wall and Argentine leaders are facing loosing office and having their ill gotten gains confiscated and maybe jail time then I think you will find possession of the will become more urgent, hence the military base at MPA.
Why should the Falkland's talk to an undemocratic 4th world dictatorship,
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lets start there first,
Argentina to become a democratic nation based on freedom of rights free speech and self determination,
now that alone will take the best part of 100 plus years,
20 RICO (#)
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 22nd, 2014 - 12:41 pm
Probably you are right, given the imbecility of our “Presidenta”. She could just do something stupid as a last ditch move, but she has let the armed forces degenerate to such an extent that I don't believe that they could actually stand up to an invasion by the Uruguayans!!!!!
My theory still stands, the FI/Malvinas thing is only good for keeping the Argentine population under control, and it's power to do that is getting less and less as the younger generation of “thinking” Argentines see that things like economic stability, less street crime, an end to the narco state, more employment in the private sector, etc. are more important than a group of islands in the South West Atlantic that never belonged to us!!!!!
@ 22 Simon68
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are very brave man but a realist! Be prepared to be attacked by the Malvinista trolls who monitor these postings. The least bad insult you are likely to receive is that you are a “cipayo” - they have a good vocabulary.
Saludos.
@2. Sorry. I refuse to accept that argieland is in a position to GIVE the Falkland Islanders anything. As a British citizen in the UK, the British government WILL defend the Falkland Islands and the Islanders. Argieland needs to ACCEPT that the Islanders will always have the final word.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4. Quite right.
@13. Never mind reconsidering its approach. Argieland needs to understand that it's 200 years behind the rest of the world. Britain will not tolerate this backwardness for much longer. HMS Queen Elizabeth is afloat and being fitted out. HMS Prince of Wales won't be far behind. The aircraft WILL be there in time. Imagine a Typhoon on a ski ramp!
@18 & 22. Glad to see you back, Simon. We've been missing an intelligent, reasonable Argentine.
Of course we know it's propaganda for domestic consumption. Let''s just imagine what Britain would do to argieland. The RAF Voyagers flying in troops and equipment. The C-17s flying in armoured vehicles. The C-130s, refuelled en route, flying more equipment. The tankers and transports flying constant round trips. More aircraft 'borrowed' from the US. The Apache attack helicopters. The drones. The submarine-launched cruise missiles. Are there enough brainless argies to realise that the British people won't take it again?
Simon,
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad to see you back.
I think you are quite right about the main purpose being propaganda usefulness, and just like the Junta, CFK has her back to the wall - seizing the Falklands would only be act of s desperate administration, if they could do it.
However, we have the Internet now, so Argentines are not solely restricted to hearing news generated or manipulated from within Argentina.
Of course, we do have the Trolls who try to discredit international news sources.
“Second, Prime Minister David Cameron did not dismiss Scottish secessionist politicians, nor did he insult Scotland and its history or traditions. Instead, he approached them and opened a dialogue, highlighting the political and economic advantages of the status quo while offering more, enticing elements of autonomy. Meaning he negotiated, even if unilaterally, and sought to boost the ties of amity instead of irritating the other side. Ultimately, Scottish voters were persuaded.”
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What an utter and complete Apocrypha, and it's not even a week since the event! These British are truly adroit at re-writing the history books.
Cameron did not approach the Scots with any such affable demeanor. Time and time again he SCAREMONGERED the Scots, about their inability of surviving alone, about their immaturity as a society to be self-standing, that without mother England they would be consigned to a destiny of drift and anonymity in world affairs.
Then he THREATENED: no use of the Pound Sterling, no access to ports, no admission into the European Union, no security pact from NATO, and on and on and on.
In spite of all this, the Scots “yes” movement gained traction all the time. And so finally Cameron decided to cozen a “no” result by ignominious wheedling, through promises he has no intention of keeping.
So a scare campaign, followed by a threats campaign, followed by a classic vote bribery campaign.
So basically, a complete fabrication of the truth that occurred.
@14
UN resolutions are non-binding. Tough shit.
Dipshit.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go tell a Scot that an Englishman frightened them into voting No. He or she, will tear your head off and shove it so far up the orifice you do most of your talking from, that we will never have to read your crap ever again .
I guess the above was supposed to din dread into me.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, it's suppose to tell you that your post was rubbish and that how the people of Scotland voted has nothing to do with you and even though it may have had repercussion for me, it had nothing to do with me either.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You cast assertions that the Scots were gullible, I simply pointed out what they would do to you, if you did it to their face.
26 Nostrum of NostrolL
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What an utter and complete Apocrypha, and it's not even a week since the event! These British are truly adroit at re-writing the history books. ”
Tobias, don't you realise that the quote that anteceded the above quote from your rant was written by Fernando Petrella not by a Brit!!!!!!
If you're going to try to score off the Brits/Europeans/North Americans, at least try to do it sensibly.
There is lessons that Argentina can take about the Scottish referendum, but nothing at all to do with the Falklands.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina should look at a more federalist system for the provinces and a far better sharing of wealth which each provinces produce instead of bailing out the suburbs of BsAs and the northern provinces.
Perhaps Cordoba and Santa Fe can learn from Scotland how to whine and whine about what is rightfully theirs.
@30
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He was bought by the Brits to indite such sentiments.
I hope we got him cheap.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 050 pesos is the going rate for an election, isn't it?
That's 50 pesos more than promises gone unfulfilled.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did they say that they would be delivered within 4 days? No they didn't.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So how can you say they have been unfulfilled?
Come back when the dead lines have passed, then at least you can talk with credibility instead of dishonesty. Something you have in common with Mr Salmond.
Oh please, they are already fighting amongst themselves at “Westminster”, anent the actual signification of the statements made in the final 48 hours of the campaign.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh please, they are allways fighting with themselves at Westminster.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0News for you, that's what Westminsters for.
Go on line and watch it sometime, you will be impressed.
@37
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, political fighting in the UK good and impressive, political fighting in Argentina bad and indecorous?
Once again, exposing the extreme arrant hypocrisy of the British.
Someone help me out.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please translate.
The promises that Cameron made were pretty much irrelevant....everyone I spoke to and everyone I know had reserved their judgement until the publishing of the White paper. Once that had been published most people made up their minds.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The head to head debates changed nothing...there was nothing new to be gleaned from them....
I don't think the No camp ever lost or gained any more votes...the Yes Camp gained from the few that were undecided....
“kirchnerverse”
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My new favourite word.
40 Voice
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Once that had been published most people made up their minds.
The head to head debates changed nothing...there was nothing new to be gleaned from them....
I don't think the No camp ever lost or gained any more votes...the Yes Camp gained from the few that were undecided.... ”
Thank you, Voice, that was an interesting insight.
What are people saying “on the street”?
@ 41
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too late, I have already 'copyrighted' it for him!
Kirchnerverse © Simon68 2014
Well done Simon68.
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Sep 23rd, 2014 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Commodore Byron had come in the month of January 1765 to recognize the Malvinas Islands. He had touched west of our establishment, and a port appointed for us: Puerto of the Crusade, and had taken possession of these islands to the Crown of England, leaving no inhabitant. It was not until 1766 that the British sent a colony to settle in the Puerto of the Crusade, which they had named Port Egmont; and Captain Macbride, commander of the frigate Jason came to our establishment at the beginning of December of the same year. The intended that this land belonged to the king of Great Britain; threatened to make a landing by force if resistance was opposing it; paid a visit to the commander and he set sail on the same day.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0L. A. BOUGAINVILLE
“Against a bunch shepherd who would rather have sex with a sheep than date a brazilian girl.”
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0How about eschewing both and embracing edifying asceticism?
dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, out problem, all friends.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Asceticism? What for. But I strongly oppose the abuse of animals in general. Animals have rights too.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0To show females you are indomitable. But preponderantly, to utilize your time of ascetic lifestyle in order to memorize thousands of new words for a matchless vocabulary, study cosmological mathematics, and learn 7 new languages. Every man should endeavor these goals for 10 years of their life, without the discombobulating effects of sublunary hormonal proclivities.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0The crux of his argument seems to be that instead of trying to threaten and bully the UK to the negotiating table they should try to be friends and discuss the issue that way. That at least seems like a step in the right direction.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can tell you now that the UK will never discuss the Falklands with a belligerent Argentina - we never bow to threats. That is why, sadly, our hostages are never released by terrorists - we won't pay a ransom because it simply funds those terrorists to create more and worse problems. Argentinas threats and bullying tactics are simply counter productive and at least this guy has realized that.
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Sep 23rd, 2014 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@51 golfcronie,
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol!
@44 castortroy,
And it is simply the insulting attitude that you show that guarantees that we will NEVER talk to you.
Are you so stupid that you cannot see that?
Loser.
The piece is pretty good. And largely correct.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the UK, Fi and all free people have been quite clear on what the bottom line is. If anyone missed it here again, it's SELF DETERMINATION.
Couldn't be more simple.
@13 I am not sure who is supplying G.A. Llamosa with rose tinted glasses or paying to drink fine wine and have naive, fantasy thoughts. All the Falkland people I have encountered do not have views to match these statements, where every they come from. The majority of them seem wise enough to keep out of their neighbours claws in all ways possible
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I never thought of CFK as having claws, just horns.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ the British government was expected to peacefully accept the results of the Scottish independence referendum and the changes that could have followed what turned out to be an averted secession.”
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the same way that the UK would have accepted the Falkland Islander's referendum result had they voted no to being British.
This affirms quite catagorically that the UK cannot be colonialist, otherwise they would not risk losing Scotland as a part of the UK or say that they would have accepted a no-vote in the Falkland Islands referendum.
The Argentines presumably believe that every single Falkland Islander is born in the UK and transported for implant in the islands.
They simply cannot grasp that the UK can offer it's people (born in and local to, the lands) referendums, when the risk is that those countries can as easily vote against the UK as with it.
“ First, the Scottish episode allows us to better understand the United Kingdom and its “codes” of conduct.”
Well, matey boy, you could have ascertained this from the post 2065 talks the UK had with Argentina as long ago as 1960s/1970s/1980s. The UK were willing to give away the Islands as they were regarded as an inconvenience. But to give credit to the UK, they never in this period over rode self-determination. All of the 'solutions' they came up with were rejected by the Islanders, and the UK respected the UN Charter and the wishes of the people that were born on the Islands (and not individually transplanted on the Islands).
Admittedly, it was often parliament that had to stick up for the Islander's democratic rights, but in conclusion the Islander's, despite I believe the UK's aspirations to cast them asunder, still had the final say.
If Fernando had to wait till the Scottish referendum to find out what he has, he must have been extremely ignorant of the UK's position with the Falkland Islanders over 30 years ago.
49. My gosh if you ever wrote a post like that in a civilized place of learning you'd me laughed out of there.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a crazy bunch of gobbledygook.
Who ever told you that was a good way to express yourself?
Allah and Allah, would save on many virgins with followers like @49
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh wake up! They are only 2000! 2000!! You realize that? there's more people in my neighbourhood right than there is in all the malvinas. They still under british rule because Westminster wants it, not because 2000 people want it. Self determination for them is the best joke ever told in the UN. That's not a country, not even a small town. It's just a military base. Get real for God's sake!
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 059 TTT - castortroy
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRspGG9mDsQ
58
Sep 24th, 2014 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0sorry, that's “Allah and ISIS... ”
The transfer made by Spain to Argentina by the treaty of December 21, 1863, “of all the provinces mentioned in its current federal Constitution, and other territories that rightfully belong to him or hereafter pertenecieren”
Sep 24th, 2014 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain ceded all the territory that had belonged, to the new nation, including the Malvinas Islands, of course.
At that time, were illegitimately occupied by the United Kingdom, which does not mean that these islands have not belonged to Spain.
and yes ,we receive the territory of Spain, including the islands.
Solution: dialogue, dialogue, dialogue.
@49:
Sep 24th, 2014 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a bag of pish.
@Leiard
Sep 24th, 2014 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the clip
My favourite movie character and actor
I see you like it too
We are not too different you and I, Mr. Powers
@62. 'Conquest and Subjugation' perfectly normal way of legally obtaining territory in the 19th century; Convention of Settlement, ended any Argentinean claims; 'Extinctive Prescription/Acquiescence' Argentina' failure to take its claim to the world court /PCA/ICJ within a reasonable time (20-30 years) since formation of the world court system in 1922. All means NO claim, just a pretence. No one wants to talk, especially with a corrupt nation like Argentina (106th in the Global Corruption Index). Solution - accept reality.
Sep 24th, 2014 - 05:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Castortroy - are you blind and dumb!
Sep 24th, 2014 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinense 1833 - what a load of excrement!
@62:
Sep 24th, 2014 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...and other territories that rightfully belong to him or hereafter pertenecieren”
Ah, but at the time, Spain had withdrawn their claims to the Falklands, so the Islands did *not* ”rightfully belong“ to them or their colony.
”...At that time, were legitimately occupied by the United Kingdom...“
Fixed that for you. The UK at the time were the rightful holders of sovereignty, and under those rights, invited the civilian population from an Argentine attempt to usurp the islands to stay.
”Solution: dialogue, dialogue, dialogue.”
Only when you agree that dialogue will not necessarily end with you getting the Islands. Indeed, honest discussion *will*, if truly honest, result in Argentina permanently dropping their claim.
@59
Sep 24th, 2014 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0A military base that is only there because you Agentinas invasion. There were about 40 marines in the Falklands prior to 82.
@59 castortroy,
Sep 24th, 2014 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 02000(actually closer to 3000) or 2million,
what business is it of yours, castor oil?
What we do is of no concern of yours or Argentinas.
And we will have 1000 military bases if we want them.
We don't have to justify our actions to you.
@62 Malvinense 1833,
But there is nothing to dialogue about?
What could we possibly talk about?
You want our lslands & we are not going to give them to you.
End of talking.
Your writ doesn't run here, boyo.
@59 : There aren't 2000 people on the Falklands , there are about 40,000 .
Sep 24th, 2014 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you seriously think the British would have wasted all that money on an international airport , a port and stationing a brigade of soldiers and an entire fighter wing for only 2000 people ?
Hell, they reckon there are at least 7000 inmates in the prison colony alone .
As far as I know you were born on Argentine territory but I don't consider you argentine. If I did I would have to trial you all for aggavated treason and you'd be taking a ride on the big swing.
Sep 24th, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you better have your passports ready to get on board the yellow submarine headed for Bristol.
Treason is the act of disloyalty towards one's country .
Sep 24th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To actively support and draw a salary from a regime that has spent the last 10 years destabilizing ,destroying, stealing and stripping Argentina of everything including the hope , security and aspirations of it's people is treason in it's highest form .
You can blather on about the Malvinas all you like , but even 10 year olds know it's nothing but a diversion from the real problems that
this corrupt government either created or simply made worse .
@gordo1 England settled in the same place he had been successively inhabited by the French, Spaniards and Argentines, but had never been under British rule. If a claim could support Britain, it was limited to Port Egmont, located at the other end of the archipelago. This important fact reveals that the British government was acting with utter disregard for the legal aspect of the issue, and the manifest desire to perform an act of force, knowing that Argentina was not able to oppose and confront that power vastly superior .
Sep 24th, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0solution: dialogue.
2014 and the Falklands are still British.
Sep 24th, 2014 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can't do anything about it.
It didn't take the Scottish referendum to make that point, that point has been obvious for centuries.
You are making me laugh now, castortroy.
Sep 24th, 2014 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you really that stupid?
This is not Argentine territory,
Never has been &,
Never will be.
Thank you for your attention, now run along.
@ 73 Malvinense,
dialogue about what?
@ 75 lsolde
Sep 24th, 2014 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“@ 73 Malvinense, dialogue about what?”
How to get his head out of his backside I would imagine. :o)
@73Malvinese
Sep 24th, 2014 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“England settled in the same place he had been successively inhabited by the French, Spaniards and Argentines, but had never been under British rule. If ”
So why do the Argentines claim all of the Falklands when their forebears (including incidentally, many nationals in Vernet's 1820s settlements(he preferred Germans ) from Europe and the USA(nor from south America) in the 1820s), only occupied Port Louis?
“the British government was acting with utter disregard for the legal aspect of the issue”
Yet Argentina kicked out Amerindians during the Desert War?
You criticise Great Britain for what you se as a belligerent act-when they were re-asserting a claim-not making a new one.
But it was OK to kick out the Indians??
If the British action was wrong in 1833, bearing in mind they pursued a previous claim (the first British claim was not made on the Falkland Islands in 1833), then Argentina should pull out of Patagonia.
You need to be reminded that no UP personnel were killed or even physically harmed by the so-called belligerent act of 1833, but thousands of Amerindians were killed by the war of conquest un the 19th century.
You question the legitimacy of the British act on 1833. However you use 20th or 21st concepts of law which did not apply in the 19th century.
You say the solution is dialogue but apparently not between the Argentine government and the Falkland islanders who were BORN on the Islands i.e. it is their HOMELAND and birth right.
To exclude the Islanders from dialogue (which Argentina DID NOT DO in the 1960s/1970s/early 1980s) is against their interests and therefore against resolution 2065 which Argentine quotes but fails to read the text of the document which is quite specific 'the granting of independence for colonial peoples' does not mean 'exchanging one colonial power for another.'
II'll give you this, you pinkies must really love the malvinas. , I mean you don't care of being just plain ridiculous and delusional, the amerindian joke again?!y you can't be serious. Don't you have a single valid argument? I beg you to tell that story to the UN '
Sep 25th, 2014 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0(hillbilly accent) oh! Argentines are not really Argentines, they are invaders from outerspace I'll tell you what!
You got that right, castortroy.
Sep 25th, 2014 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't care about Argentina.
As for the UN, well we are quietly confident there.
Argentina is/are the one(s), who go running, crying, whining & begging to the UN.
And where does it get you? No-where, thats where.
Because the UN knows the sort of people that you are & the lies that you tell.
You are so impotent that you have to resort to insults.
Because that is all you can do, insult.
You have no military power,
You have no legitimate rights in the Falklands,
You have no case to present to the ICJ, or you would have done so by now.
ln fact, castors, old fruit, you are going nowhere.
l'd rather be a hillbilly than a malvinista, l'll tell you that for free.
But try to have a nice morning, anyway.
@78
Sep 25th, 2014 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hang on, according to you the Falkland Islanders are invaders from Britian but Argentinians aren't invaders from Spain? What a crock.
@80
Sep 25th, 2014 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today's Argentines are the descendants of native Americas, and of races and cultures from all around the world, a people who expelled the european power that oppressed them.
Where as
You! Are those same scumbags that came here to rape and plunder.
You are a f----g colony,
Can't you see it boy?
Please show evidence of raping and plundering in the Falklands - boy.
Sep 25th, 2014 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 81 castortroy,
Sep 25th, 2014 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plenty of raping, plundering & murdering in Argentina,
haven't seen much here lately.
Even if we were a colony, castoroil, whats that got to do with you?
lts none of your business, so butt out.
You're just an irritating troll anyway.
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Sep 25th, 2014 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 084 Castor
Sep 26th, 2014 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0What “ARGENTINA fish and oil”?
The first and most infamous rape in the Falklands occurred when the 1833 UP garrison invaded for two and a half months before being asked to leave by the British.
They were arrested as criminals by Capt. Pinedo for murdering their commanding officer and gang-raping his wife in front of his children.
That is the only legacy of proto-Argentines in the Falklands - showed their true colours though, didn't they??
I suppose you will defend them now - hah !!
@85
Sep 26th, 2014 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whats?
Are you seriously blaming us for something a gang of criminals supposedly did two centuries ago?
My Lord! Poor you if you were to pay for all the murdering and plundering your people did and still do. Don't be ridiculous.
86
Sep 26th, 2014 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid you,
How many frickin' issues are there here??
You can't have one without the other.
If you want to base your claims on the Falklands by your 10 week occupation in 1833, you'll have to accept responsibility for the actions of your occupying force.
If they were YOUR enlightened freedom fighters from the “oppressors”, you have to accept the real character of those people - violent, lawless, opportunists.
That was the nature of your attempted colonists - an undisciplined, uneducated, thugs, under “Argentine” administration.
The criminal UP garrison was removed, the peaceful settlers were invited to stay, under British administration, and they did.
The only colonist that remained, and caused a problem for the community, was RIVERO, the “hero” of Argentina, who murdered other peaceful settlers.
As to British “raping and plundering” of the Falklands, there was no indigenous population on the islands, quite unlike the southern cone of South America.
You displaced, meaning raped and plundered, the inhabitants of Patagonia in the 1880's, 50 years after a permanent and continuous British community was established in the Falklands.
Do you current Argentinians want to take credit as a people, for “freeing yourselves from the colonialist oppressors”?
Well that was 200 years ago, as well. We can attribute those actions to you, just as we attribute the criminal acts of your garrison and RIVERO, if you like?
Colonies:
Argentina entered into violent revolt and forcibly seized the Spanish colony, taking whatever holdings they could from Spain. Enemies for decades.
The Falklands meanwhile, have slowly and peacefully evolved away from being a British colony.
They have their own government and SELF DETERMINATION - which pisses you off.
Their land, and their resources belong to them, as they have done for 180 years of continual habitation, 50 years before ARGENTINA moved next door into Patagonia.
We tell each Malvinista pseudonym this same story, each time.
“Where as
Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0You! Are those same scumbags that came here to rape and plunder.”
Where in gods name did you get that from, we were the first to land on an Uninhabited Island and then came back to throw a garrison off when They murdered their commander and raped his wife.
I think I'm going to stop rising to castor as he obviously has mental issues.
@84 castortroy,
Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0l'll have you know, castoroil, that we have some VERY good-looking sheep here.
Now, what was your problem, troll?
We haven't stolen anything belonging to Argentina.
This land is NOT yours, ergo, anything here, for example oil & fish, is also NOT yours.
Of course we all know, the whole world knows, that Argentina has stolen land from Paraguay in 1871 & has stolen Patagonia from the native peoples in the 1880s.
Oh but of course, you ALL have Amerindian blood.(so you say!), so that makes it all right.
Now let me get this right,
By your twisted logic, European Argentines, murdered Amerindian Argentines & then actually BECAME Amerindian Argentines, which gives them the rights to Patagonia. Ah, now l get it!
So now these new Argentines would like to colonise(steal) some lslands, (several hundred kilometres from their ahem, stolen coast, l might add)& just because they want them, feel that these lslands should be given to them & get a dose of the shits because the rightful owners(us)won't hand them over.
How am l doing, castoroil?
Finally because these new Argentines, who now ALL have native blood, cannot steal OUR lslands, they go crying, whining, whinging & sobbing to ANYONE who will listen about their “rights” in OUR country.
Sorry mate, it won't hold water.
Go away & cry for me, Argentina & stop wasting everyone's time.
Losers
Well said, Isolde.
Sep 26th, 2014 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Castor troy should be sent to bed without any supper, for all his bad tempered whining.
Oh, wait, that's going to happen more and more with the children in Argentina anyway
Who told you beaches we can't go right now over there and throw you out? You think a couple aircraft and a frigate and one sub can fight a war? You really believe that? You can't be that stupid. We don't go right now because we decided not to go to war with England (not with you, everyone knows you didn't fight for “your” land) for now.
Sep 26th, 2014 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But what could England do if we land there tomorrow? Send a task force ? This is 2014, our neighbors side with us, the US won't help them this time around, and will gladly place a dozen nuclear subs around the islands waiting for “conks” to arrive.
Castoroil .... Why don't you play this ?
Sep 26th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's just about your age group , though really it's for older kids .
http://www.gamespot.com/the-falklands-war-1982/
In less than 10 years the Malvinas will be a military base for SATO (south Atlantic treaty organization)
Sep 26th, 2014 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some of the members are Argentina Brazil Chile and allies India China Russia north Korea Iran.
So get ready to see quite a few new faces on the islands.
@ 91 castortroy
Sep 26th, 2014 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Who told you beaches ”
WTF? Do you mean “Las Perras”?
Then it's BITCHES you stupid little boy.
@ 93 castortroy
“In less than 10 years the Malvinas will be a military base for SATO”
Now come on! Get your act together with the other stupid argie bastard who keeps claiming “25 years” for “returning” the islands, even though they (the Falklands) have NEVER been “yours”.
I should go and see one of the millions of psychiatrists in The Dark Country and have him ventilate your head for you to let some fresh air in. I hear a 9mm diameter probe is used with great skill by these denizens of the medical profession. Solves all your problems immediately!
No need to thank me.
It seems that this improvised “diplomat” neither knows a thing about Scotland,
Sep 26th, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nor about the British Falkland Islands.
1. Indeed, many Falkland Islanders are of Scottish descent, but not too long ago they voted YES; just to remain British.
2. And, when the good people of Scotland voted recently, they said NO; just to remain part of the UK.
3. Now, about the “Scottish lessons for the Falklands” (?) The question to ask is:
What has that to do with the price of beans?
4. The truth is that, Mr. Petrella, like all Argentinian malvinazis, fears like the devil all British exercises in freedom and democracy.
5. Thank God, the so-called “Malvinas” don't exist anywhere in the South Atlantic or anywhere in the pages of any World Atlas.
Philippe
Thank God, the so-called “Malvinas” don't exist anywhere in the South Atlantic or anywhere in the pages of any World Atlas.
Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mapas-de-las-islas-malvinas-del-siglo-xviii-vuelven-a-la-argentina
Yawnnnn...
Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CastorBoy repeats the same old Malvinista mantra we've heard for years.
Falklands NEVER were Arg. regardless of what this bed-wetter chooses to believe.
Will be part of Chilé before they would ever be Argie!!
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1503221-cuatro-mapas-de-las-islas-malvinas-del-siglo-xviii-vuelven-a-la-argentina
Sep 26th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@93
Sep 26th, 2014 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”In less than 10 years the Malvinas will be a military base for SATO (south Atlantic treaty organization)“
When the UK will have a military base in Patagonia.
”SATO (south Atlantic treaty organization)”
It would take you at least 150 years to set this up with all the South American in-fighting.
@94 ”even though they (the Falklands) have NEVER been “yours”.
Sep 27th, 2014 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is you sure?
http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201408/74900-islas-malvinas-jose-de-san-martin-aniversario-museo-carta-teresa-parodi.html
The existence of the penal colony is further evidence of the exercise of sovereignty over the islands by Argentina.
@87 The existence of the UP garrison is further evidence of the exercise of sovereignty over the islands by Argentina.
100 Malvinista
Sep 27th, 2014 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the garrison... sovereignty... ”?
send whoever you like, it does not confer sovereignty.
In fact, their bogus authority was not recognised, and the British removed them for that reason - no legitimacy.
The soldiers themselves of the garrison were arrested as criminals and convicted at trial in Montevideo.
Those were your representatives. Nice.
#91 castro “Who told you beaches we can't go right now over there and throw you out? You think a couple aircraft and a frigate and one sub can fight a war?”
Sep 27th, 2014 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0With you lot - most certainly!
By the way, the special abuse that some argentine posters reserve for posters from the Falklands has not gone unnoticed. This is just one more reason (in a long list) why Argentina will never get its hands on the Falklands; the inhabitants would not be safe from argentine aggression.
@101 The evidence is very clear. And Argentina exercised acts of sovereignty when UK recognized the new state. The United Kingdom itself recognized the legitimacy of the Argentine authorities.
Sep 27th, 2014 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0#103
Sep 27th, 2014 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the evidence supporting Argentina's claim to the Falklands is so 'clear', why doesn't the Argentine government take its dispute to the ICJ? They won't do this because they know that the evidence is far from clear and that they would lose.
So, instead they complain to the UN and anybody else who will listen, make shonky deals with other despotic countries (you support our territorial claim and we will support yours). Dirty little deals stitched up to meet the requirements of naked of territorial ambition that have absolutely nothing to do with the evidentiary merits of the dispute.
Argentina will never get control of the Falklands because its claim fails at every level, historically, legally and morally.
@103 Malvinense,
Sep 27th, 2014 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well answer the man.
lf you are so sure that these lslands are yours, why won't you take your ridiculous “claims”(with evidence)to court?
Why?, Malvinense, why?
ln reality, you know that these lslands are NOT yours, but you are hoping that we will weaken, get tired of it all & allow you to take over. hmmmm?
Not going to happen, Malvinense, not going to happen.
Your great-grandchildren will be saying that these lslands are theirs & our great-grandchildren will be telling them to take it to the ICJ.
And we'll still be in control of OUR lslands & Argentina will still be crying.
Sad, but true.
@103 Malvinazi : Till 1580 what is now Argentina belonged exclusively to Native Americans ( Diaguitas , Tehuelches , Quilmes , Quechuas , Guaranis , etc ) till Spanish colonists displaced them .
Sep 27th, 2014 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Till 1833 the Banda Oriental ( Now Uruguay ) was part of UP , now Argentina .
Till 1870 Chaco and Misiones were part of Paraguay .These were taken by force , by Argentina in the Guerra de la Triple Allianza .
Argentina was born by colonialism , aggression and expansionism , a fact that the UN recognises , and having the sons of Latvians/Serbians /Ukranians/Croats and other dubious flotsam who arrived by false passports in Buenos Aires in 1946 try to tell the world that the Falklands claim is a colonialism issue is nothing short of a sick joke .
@104 I agree with you. The Falklands case must be resolved in the International Court of Justice. Only in this way the problem will be resolved definitively.
Sep 27th, 2014 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But this must be an agreement between Argentina and the United Kingdom.
Regards.
@105 Dear Isolde: I hope our greatgrandchildren are more intelligent and finish the conflict.
Kisses, my islander friend.
@106 The conflicts mentioned above were settled by treaties between countries. (Paraguay, Uruguay, etc).
This in no way justifies the British usurpation of 1833.
Regards.
Yet according to the British , there was an agreement signed by Rosas in 1850 saying that there were no outstanding issues between the two countries , which the British interpreted as no further claims on the Falklands .
Sep 27th, 2014 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There were no claims made for over 50 years after that , in fact sovereignty was not questioned till the Castillo government and then Peron began to make louder claims 'till we reach the present position .
Anyway , why should you care so much , is Cristina going to give you one of the islands ?
Surely people should be getting het up about important issues , like pay increases for the police , more spending on hospitals , better transport , higher wages .
I don't think Paraguay were terribly happy with the treaty they were forced to sign in 1870 :
http://www.monografias.com/trabajos33/triple-alianza/triple-alianza.shtml#consec
@102
Sep 27th, 2014 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they feel unsafe here then they should go back to their country. Simple.
@106
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on eastern european people, you racist piece of crap.
109 angry Malvinista
Sep 27th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His point seems to be, foreign nationals of dubious political affiliation, notably Nazi war criminals, Eat European Nazi partisans, anti-Allies, welcomed to Argentina, under assumed nationalities and identities in 1946, are hardly qualified to comment on Argentina's rights of sovereignty over another people's territory.
Spin it whatever way you like - YOUR objection to the modern population of the Falklands seems to be one of ethnicity and race. They have lived there as long as your revolting ancestors have lived around the River Plate, 1,000 miles away.
Further, they predate your occupation of Patagonia by 50+ years.
@103 Malvinese 1833
The UN has NEVER recognised Argentine sovereignty of the Islands.
They have recognised that you are “disputing” British and FIG sovereignty, and “claim” it for yourselves.
Those are two different things.
Notably, they have not denied British sovereignty.
SPAIN was recognised as having sovereignty, at one time. Not Argentina. Again, two different things.
But of course, you two know these things, and are merely repeating the same claims and mis-information as you have many times before, under the same or different, user names.
You are tiresome liars.
“All the world... ” thinks you have no credibility.
@ 105 lsolde
Sep 27th, 2014 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On a personal note I have found you a small frame 9mm semi-automatic pistol which will, I think, be ideal for you if you still go to areas where you need one.
You are going to laugh now because it’s a Bersa, which is made in Argentina. Bersa’s are considered very reliable pistols and here is a video for you to see what’s what. The guy shooting it used to live in Argentina when he taught mathematics at the university but does not mention it very often. This guy can shoot and his opinions are sought world-wide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiLig3US38c&list=TLuHkcllPsflHN0a_TkilxCOJO2kM0lX2v
No need to go to argieland to buy one, they sell them at the gunshop in MVD.
:o)
Thanks Chris.
Sep 27th, 2014 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very nice looking pistola.
Too small for his big hands, as he says.
The Falkland Islanders had their own referendum but it was rejected out of hand by the Argentine Government as they do not recognise us as a people . Yet they are prepared to accept the Scottish decision because they are not trying to take Scotland away from Britain.
Sep 28th, 2014 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0No Argentine has any right to determine our future. Only we the Falkland island people can do that and we have spoken clearly that we do not wish to be a part of Argentina now or ever. Is that message ever going to get through those thick headed leaders who have yet to be taught that this little Country of ours does have a people living on them who never was a part of Argentina in it's history other than on the two occasions they illegally entered here .
We think it is high time that these brain washed people started to act like responsible human beings and let us live in peace in a way that we have chosen.
So long as they continue to lay claim to our homeland they will be forever isolated. Now is the time for all those Argentines who believe that we do have the right to be here to make those in Argentina realise that they are fast becoming a world wide joke. A people that no one will eventually do business with as long as they continue to threaten the Falkland islanders.
Oh kelpers, despised and neglected by England for centuries until they decided to set a naval base there and then overnight they recognized you as citizens and not angloindians anymore.
Sep 28th, 2014 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0you really think you matter to a european nation 8000 miles away, reality is you don't. The only reason you r still there is because England has a more powerful army and allies than Argentina did, that means not other thing that as soon as Argentina put together an army and strengthen ties with such powers as China and Russia, your days on the islands will be numbered.
And since you are not Argentine citizens (you hold european passport in southamerica soil) you all shall be deported back to britain.
Though I'm really for selling you all over to Disneyland.
@114 piss off you Argie usless peice of shit, You will never get your disgusting hands on the Falklands, go back to Italy or Spain or wherever you came from, Patagonia and the Falklands were here long before you got there.
Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0114. CastorBoy
Sep 28th, 2014 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Run out of arguments, I see.
Reverting to to threats and insults now??
Poor Malvinista.
One of your countrymen, “ pgerman” once said, “ Malvinistas - they drone away in the background, like an old refrigerator-
just tune them out, like meaningless noise”
@troy t
Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0What insults and threats?
No way just reality. I'm realistic and honest, dog. I know there's no other solution to this than war. Why? Firstly because you guys are racist and argentines are a mixed people, and you are so stuck up in your bubble that you wouldn't even listen to the english when they tell hey! You live over there, get with the program, stop behaving like cult members and reach out to your neighbors!
But you wouldn't listen. They tell you that for a reason you know, they telling you they can't hold you forever.
Oh stop it - Gawd you're boring.
Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@117 TTT
Sep 28th, 2014 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm realistic and honest, dog!”
Time to put Castor Troy back in his box.
Ah we're not really bothered by you or your mates, castoroil.
Sep 28th, 2014 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0We know & you know that you can't do anything but cry & whimper about OUR lslands that were NEVER yours(& NEVER will be yours).
lt must be frustrating for you, no?
You cannot invade,
You know you will lose if you go to the ICJ,
You know that you cannot sweet-talk us into wanting to join you,
You have no friends who will actually help you,
ln fact you have nothing,
so you just fall back on insults. Ha ha ha.
Still, its fun to stir you plonkers up,
You walk into it every time.
Of course we will not listen to you.
You want OUR land & you want to subjugate us, then you think that we'll listen to your bullshit.
Go away and cry, Argentina & stop wasting everyone's time.
Shoo, scat, vamoose, pest.
You are quite right Isolde.
Sep 28th, 2014 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ps. As image sure you already know, the Falklands are hugely important to the UK and the people are highly regarded.
114. I think its funny that Argentina is pinning all its hopes and dreams on an Axis Alliance....again.
Sep 28th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that because it worked so well last time?
Or because Venezuela is your model? Again its worked so well for them.
My gosh they make them stupid in Argentina.
Anyone seen this headline yesterday...?
Sep 28th, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.....“Catalonia president signs independence referendum decree”
This is going to get interesting....
*123 And did you read the other headline.
Sep 28th, 2014 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0......Constitutional Court will suspend the decree...........
@124
Sep 28th, 2014 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Constitutional Court will suspend the decree........”
A sure indication that the Spanish know they would lose a referendum.
Spain cannot offer a better situation for the Catalonians than they could gain under independence-so they use a 'constitutional excuse.'
Funny how Scotland were granted a referendum by a government confident that the Scots would find remaining with the Union, better than attaining independence.
If the referendum was refused on 'constitutional grounds, the Scots would be more likely to demand independence.
The result of the Scottish Independence is there for all to see-bright as daylight.
Something fascist Spain cannot work out-and that denial is bound to increase the wish for independence in Catalonia, not decrease that wish.
Spain did not hand over independence to Argentina-it had to be fought for.
Spain will make the same mistake with Catalonia.
Most decolonisation involving the UK did not result in wars of Independence, but the UK granting their territory's wishes.
It's not going to go away, the more you tell someone they can't have something...the more they want it....
Sep 29th, 2014 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0It could all go badly and be like Ireland...
Bombings in Madrid....
*126 Bombings??!! The Basques did it for over 30 years AND GOT THEM NOWHERE; as did THE IRA and what did they achieve NOTHING.tHE MINORITY CANNOT IMPOSE THEIR WILL ON THE MAYORITY......
Sep 29th, 2014 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0*125 As far as I know Spain is GOVERNED BY A POLITICAL PARTY WHO WON AT THE LAST ELECTIONS. YES!! ELECTIONS!! so where he hell have you read that is governed by Fascists..BIRD BRAIN!!
127 A.S.S.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“....elections... ...ruled by fascists.... ”
hmmmm, yep, sounds like Argentina as well....
is it a cultural thing???
@127
Sep 29th, 2014 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0They would happily go calling fascist anyone who spoke spanish. Don't matterto them if those “fascists” actually won legimite elections.
See I found these people to be downright racist, prejudiced, cynical and ignorant.
They like to talk about freedom and democracy but truth is they don't really practice it that much.
Ask those who have a different opinion, what happened to them? They got expelled and demonized over. Banned from their own land.
Poor those on that island who dare to express an opinion.
But hey they ain't no fascists, the spanish speaking devils are!
“They got expelled and demonized over. Banned from their own land.”
Sep 29th, 2014 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Huh?
Who are “they”?
Oh dear. This isn't going to end well. ..
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