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Argentina tightens security on all air flights: requested info must be delivered 72 hours before take off

Friday, September 26th 2014 - 06:26 UTC
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The Argentine government announced that airlines for both commercial and non commercial flights will be required to deliver further information of its passengers to the National Migrations Office, the AFIP tax bureau, Airport Police and Civil Aviation National Administration (ANAC). Read full article

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  • reality check

    The rest of the world has Air Marshalls.

    Why shouldn't Argentina have Air Secret Police?

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    72 hours notice?

    so you must notify the government if you want to leave ??

    “...control migration”??

    dollar “clamp”??

    foreign business run afoul of anti-Terrorism laws if they close shop??

    Sounds like the new Venezuela or North Korea

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Yep, Our AFIP (tax office) are a bunch of Nazi's.
    They don't want anyone spending $ outside the country or paying for tickets in cash at blue market rates.
    The ask 32 different questions to deflect attention from the few important ones. ( How you paid for the ticket).

    The trouble is most of these airlines do not collect this data in other countries, so there is no system in place. More reason for other airlines to close shop here, so air Campora can take over Argentina with their crappy service and planes.
    So come on Pagotroll, earn your pesos and respond to this.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Remember a couple of years ago at the airport they were making Argentines show and record the serial numbers of every single laptop, camera, tablet etc. and it had to match on their return. Us foreigners were waved through.

    I cannot see how this new system is workable.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Orbit

    Impressive erosion of civil liberties. Looks a lot like a spark to me.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    The article does not make clear if this is for everyone or just Argentine nationals . I presume only Argentines ?

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Some information is reasonable........but frequent flyer miles? really now. The suitcase information is going to suck. Every Argentine I know who visits goes back with twice as many suitcases after shopping.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Love to know how any airline can tell exactly how many kilos and number of suitcases and bags a passenger will be turning up at check in with - 3 days in advance!
    Bad news for those who have a family member suddenly die/get critically ill and they need to get to them in a hurry!
    But typical of a dumb 3rd World little backward president!

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @6. “national Passenger Names Registry”. Is it possible for a non-argie to get on that Registry? I wonder how many times the airlines will just make it up? What happens when a flight is cancelled and all the passengers are transferred to another flight? Will they have to wait 3 days? And no popping down to the airport, buying a ticket and away. Which airlines will lose business? How many people will cross a border to fly from somewhere else?

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Big sister...lol

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • La Patria

    Ezeiza is the worst airport I know for waiting times at immigration and customs. And the propaganda gov video on loop drives me nuts. I sure hope these crazy measures don't make it even worse.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wallace

    “AFIP and Airport Police joint resolution 3667”

    “The government said that the information will be used in the fight against “drug trafficking, international terrorism, human trafficking and illegal migration.””

    I didn't know it was AFIP's job to fight drug trafficking, terrorism, human trafficking and illegal migration

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    There is a group of Argentines returning from New York and I think airport authorities should set the example with a thorough examination of what they purchased in Manhattan and with what funds....

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Everyday a little bit of freedom is taken away, bit by bit, little by little. So small its not worth protesting, they say, I'm not a farmer, I'm not a small business, Ford/GM/Fiat are big they can afford it, I'm not ”smuggling U$, now I'm not traveling.
    The apathy is disgusting.
    The Rg population deserves it.
    They are stupid and lazy and deserve everything that is coming to them.
    Fun to watch from afar tho

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    funny to read the usual comments of the usual ignorants of this 4th class site.
    they confuse everything, know nothing, but insist in posting.
    first thing these pricks should do is to differentiate government and population.
    but it seems it is too difficult to them.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    15. Paul, We all know the difference between Gov't and Population. I don't think you understand the relationship Gov't is supposed to have with its population because you've never lived in a civilized country.

    For years I've been pointing out how Gov't policies and actions will bring great destruction to your country. Time and again I was mocked and derided. Now everything I've been saying is rolling out as I said it would.

    I feel sorry for you because you seem like a smart guy but alas you believe in the propaganda, you are apathetic and lazy. It is sad.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    If you are no scoundrel, then you simply answer the questions.

    You have the right not to leave if you don't like answering the questions.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    17. You're too stupid to understand what is happening.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @18

    You are the last person on this planet to point fingers on the fretting of civil liberties.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    You do understand that you are very close to rationing right?
    And this is the first step on the road to an exit visa.

    Alas I think you are too dumb to figure it out yourself and your NPD doesn't allow you to have others tell you either.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    They are not really worried about Argentines leaving, just money.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    21. The only people who can leave are the ones with U$.

    Is there any other country in the world with Money sniffing dogs?
    Step by step, little by little until you look like Cuba.

    The progression as I see it now is Brazil..Argentina...Venezuela...Cuba

    Argentina may jump ahead of Venezuela since Soy is going to be unprofitable next year.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    One would surmise that the same level of affront and outrage over an optional formulary in a foreign nation would evince itself anent UNANNOUNCED tapping of e-mails, cellular phones, land phones, epistolary, and the recording and archiving of images of one's person in their home country.

    But alas, abrasion of “liberties” in Argentina is a greater preponderant than total loss of privacy at home.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    In a country that is only 1 generation away from having its citizens thrown out of planes by its Gov't I am sure you can see the difference.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Look on the bright side, thanks to the wonderful cooperation your government is extending to the Chinese, they too will be able to will have access to that wonderful technology.

    I feel sorry all for those poor dogs, what's going to happen to them I wonder?

    Maybe the Chinese can help out there too.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    For some abstruse reason, I do not envision people being thrown by government officials from the pressurized cabins of transoceanic commercial (and usually foreign owned and operated) jets.

    But that is just a hunch.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Silly boy, you know what I was saying don't be deliberately obtuse and a pedestrian troll.

    Your people, of all people should be very wary of Gov't intervention in your lives. It is beyond my understanding how in just a generation people can be so complacent.
    Dangerous combination of Apathy and Stupidity.

    I wonder what is replacing the Ford Falcon?
    Any ideas?

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Funny you still see them around Buenos Aires.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Z-ville

    @26

    Troll, are you really thinking that it can't happen again? Are young people in Argentina thinking that the Death Flights, ESMA, etc is so far back in history it doesn't concern them any longer?

    Because that is the first step to making it all real again. You mentioned before that fascism is never far below the surface in Argentina. Pay attention to the story above...you are one step closer to darkness...

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    29. Scary how quickly they forget.
    But funny how they remember slights from 200+ yrs ago.

    They are a very strange people.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I have to say that I have never really had a problem at Immigration or Customs in Argentina. They seem far more focused on harassing Argentineans whereas foreigners are just waved through. Security check are very basic. Immigration officers are always cheerful and wish me well. Customs have never searched a case.That said, I have had cases broken into at Argentinean airports on more than one occasion.

    When I have travelled to Argentina in the past I have always carried a few thousand dollars on me and used it to secure favourable rates. They adhere to the international $10,000 before you have to declare it and have never questioned me about money. I honestly would not feel at all safe arriving with large amounts of dollars anymore.

    As a contrast, and to be very fair, I have been questioned about money numerous times when entering the U.S.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    this imbecile of echegaray, the afip and the rest of the useless officers create a new problem everyday.

    anyway, nothing is worst than arriving to or departing from heathrow, most of all that joke of terminal 4.
    guess that even the aero club of puerco stanley is better than that.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    You talking from experience?

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @32 Fly BA and you will arrive at Terminal 5.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    If he does not like Heathrow airport or indeed the UK then don't come here.
    its that simple.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Polly arriving in London!

    What a thought, being among all the enemies on the planet that an argie can imagine.

    It's stretching my imagination just thinking about that.

    What a brave little Polly he is.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    do you have a real airport in the falklands?
    i guess i will try to go there with my old, but still beautiful, s35 bonanza.
    hope that both isolde and elaine welcome me when i get there.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @37 Christ on a rope, how many times before it sinks in? I don't live on the Falklands. I live in England.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    How crazy is this, on relative terms people in Argentina are paying the same for a kilo of Ice cream as I would pay to fly to Florida.

    Holy crap that place is out of whack.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Any of you turnips ever considered the fact hat these new set of“Argentinean Rules” are not other that the new set of International Rules agreed upon last year?...:
    http://www.wcoomd.org/en/topics/facilitation/instrument-and-tools/tools/pf_tools_advance_passenger.aspx

    As far as I know, Canada and the USA implemented them last week...

    Educate yourself, turnips.....

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Pretty sure no other country has their Tax Authority reviewing their citizens travel.
    Psst that's the point were trying to make blockhead.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Turnip at (41) ain't just a Turnip.......
    He's a naive Turnip......

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @41 I fly in two weeks to the americas, have been flying around europe this summer, and no airline or country has asked me for this information.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    42. Prove it blockhead.
    Only in the land of money sniffing dogs do avg citizens have their travel monitored by the a Tax Collection Agency.

    One step away from an Exit Visa

    Wait was that a Ford Falcon?
    Hmm
    maybe

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yeah........the IRS does not get that information....Homeland Security maybe but not the IRS. And DHS does NOT ask for frequent flyer program information.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Tinkaroo is in a corner rocking back and forth saying All is well, All is well.

    Maybe if he's lucky CFK will give him some lithium to calm his nerves.

    16/1
    and falling

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    It's really not all that bad yb, if you do not have to buy energy, food, drink, clothes, utilities toilet paper..........

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RRolfe

    @40
    Dear Sir,
    FYI
    “these new set of“Argentinean Rules” are not other that the new set of International Rules agreed upon last year?...”
    -No, they aren't associated with the API (advanced passenger information) agreement from WCO/IATA/ICAO; they are much, much more extensive; and in my humble opinion, utterly unworkable. But we shall see; don't expect it to be implemented verbatim, expecially relative to the 72 hour timeline.

    “As far as I know, Canada and the USA implemented them last week...”
    -No they didn't.

    An honest mistake, I'm sure.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Some years ago, an American astronomer, who was originally from the former East Germany, told an assembled group in La Serena about the old GDR procedures as well as interviews he was required to go through each time he traveled to an international conference. When he bolted from one in Belgrade, he had less than USD30 to get across the Yugoslavian border. Argentina seems to each day remove the rights of its citizens.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (45) Captain Poppy

    The IRS does not get that information, you say...
    The IRS already has that information, I say...

    DHS does NOT ask for frequent flyer program information, you say...
    DHS gets that info automatically when receiving the Pax PNR, I say...

    (49) Chicureo
    You use EXACTLY the same set of rules in Shile.....
    Don't take my word for it.... Googleit...

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @50 Just because you think it, doesn't make it fact.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Fact number one...: ANY legal transaction by a registered American citizen is fully available to the IRS...

    Fact number two...: ALL relevant passenger info (including frequent flyer info) is included in the Pax PNR...

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 37 Polly

    Only 667 V-tail S35’s were made (1964 – 1965 making them 49 YO) and were a pig to fly by all accounts, many crashed and were total losses. Good idea that didn’t quite work and was poorly received over a T tail that did a better job.

    And you think anybody is going to believe you have one never mind a PPL? Although a blind man with a dicky ticker could probably BUY a PPL in the local intendencia, no questions asked.

    Oh, you really are a loon, Polly.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    A legal registered US citizen......you think this is Argentina? The IRS has financial transactions reported to it. Any transaction......lol

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RRolfe

    @52
    Dear Sir,
    Two: True, but the important word there is “relevant”.

    It's probably a moot point, but for the sake of accuracy, when they state “frequent flyer info”, the PNR (whether push or pull) transfer only contains a FF passenger's account number and sometimes their flying preferences (not the passengers FF account balance). Many airlines do not actually “own” their associated frequent flyer program (and as such do not know their passenger's individual balances; most of their revenue comes via banking and credit card and partner contracts); many programs were sold-off because unused frequent flyer points are considered a debt liability during auditing, and so do not look good on their financial statements. Flight PNR information being sent to the respective authorities is constantly updated and is usually not considered finalized until after the flight has closed, or sometimes finished (luggage currently isn't part of the PNR transfer, regardless).
    I believe that the above article is mistaken (I haven't had the opportunity to read Resolution 3667; I can't seem to find a link to the original); it cannot be asking for all the standard PNR information 72 hours prior to flying; that would be very, very impractical, if not impossible.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    So, just more wishful 'Think ing', nothing more.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think- if as you claim Chile has already introduced all this - how come I can call Lan in Punta Arenas early Sat morning - make a booking and pay - and check in for the flight from Punta to Mount Pleasant a couple of hours later
    with Lan not having a clue how many bags I have until I actually check in just 2 hrs before departure - NOT 72? If I pay in cash then there is no record of any billing address either.Neither would Lan have any idea of my record of “no-shows” with any airline outside their group!!

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    lol christine.
    what can you know?
    it is absolutely safe, but you have to have a good flight plan with enough scales from san fernando to comodoro rivadavia.
    and i have my license since i was 17, so i am some kind of ace.

    Sep 26th, 2014 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dsullivanboston

    I am curious, from someone like Klingon, how are things in Argentina? On the streets are things declining? We visited Spain during the “crisis” and didn't see much, restaurants full, people moaning, but visibly not much change. Please from the idiot with all the names nostrils, troll, etc.. I wouldn't believe anything you had to say.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    59
    well, you can see the effects of the “crisis” here, most of all in certain quarters.
    there is less activity and, sadly, more indigents.
    of course if you go to the tourist circuits or upper middle class neighbourhoods, it seems that everything is great.
    anyway, i think the crisis in spain, italy, etc are nothing compared with ours.
    don´t know exactly the reasons, but it seems to me they have a better “red de contención”, and they don´t have 45% inflation rate.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Just answer the questions, or don't travel.

    End of story.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    52, Now your just embarrassing yourself.
    Not like usual much much worse.

    I wonder sometime if you and Voice like to be humiliated.
    Maybe that's why...time and again over and over..
    poor thin..k .

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @60

    They don't have a high inflation rate because the bankers are in full control of Europe. They are the real rulers there, not the people.

    Since it makes no sense for bankers to have inflation that erodes their previous made loans, they create DEFLATION, so that they make even more of a profit on the debts owed to them. In countries were there is no deflation, they simply either fix the interest rate market to make more money, or manipulate the exchange rates. If none of those are possible, they simply ask for bailouts.

    North America and Europe are neo-monarchies ruled by a pecuniary Elite.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (58) paulcedron

    Hmmmmmm.......

    Should we check the LV registry to see if there is a “Hos Cartwright” at FDO?

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    You see, the bankers are in full control in Europe. But that is definitely NOT the case in enlightened Argentina. This is why everything is suuuuuper in Argentina.

    Also, Argentina doesn't have a “pecuniary elite”. That is another reason why everything is just super right now in Argentina.

    Queen Evita II is not a neo-monarch, and she is poor, and is doing good things for Argentina. Life is super there, because of CFK and her genius boyfriend Kicillof.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    I always find it quite revealing and damning that whenever I talk about the EUian or NorthAmoan economy, history, or crime, the validation and justification for their superiority is made by comparing them to Argentina's.

    Given the general opinion of Argentina's level, and its alleged standing in the grand scheme of the universe held by people here, singing the praises of any system or nation by adducing their statistics to show their standing above Argentina is wholly underwhelming.

    It would be like demonstrating the superiority of someone's education by snatching a 4-year old from a nearby parent and preening oneself based on the comparison.

    Hardly impressing anyone.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @29 We didn't forget, that's why the military is not coming back. Not for a long time. In their current state I doubt they can even make a coup. Our concerns now are the narcos and the mafias the government backs. The Peronists learned to outsource most of their dirty work.
    @55 Trust me, the government is run by people that have no experience in anything but stealing so it is very common for them to request stuff that is unfeasable. Like luggage 72 hours before the flight!

    Anyway these requests are just made to scare away any potential flyers and the tourism sector. The government already has most of the information they want.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @67
    This would go hand in hand with the government using Vatayon Militante members to attack foreign tourists.
    http://sumateacristina.net/group/vatayon

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    I take it that this information is required on argentine citizens?

    Aren't there any civil liberties organisations in Argentina?

    What are they saying about it?

    For that matter, what is the ordinary citizen saying about it?

    Given the horrendous history of the junta period, I would have thought that every self respecting Argentine would have been all over this kind of intrusion, like a rash.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    You speak of an educated populace. In the last 13 years, the education system has been under the control of the Kleptocrats in charge. I think we can expect the worst. ;)

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    67. Sheesh Magnus you are so fcking naive. What difference does it make if its the “real” military or off the books “goon squads” paid by the Ks?
    The outcome is the same.
    You deserve everything you've got coming to you.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    Back on topic : Won't people just jump on the ferry and fly from Montevideo ?

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Ultimately it is all about the fear.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    And control.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    As they say in me parents Ol' Country....
    In matters of money.., trust is good.
    Control is better...

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I agree. There should be a lot more control over how CFK is spending (stealing) money from the tax-payers and where all that borrowed money went. Control the thieving government.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 58 Polly
    “what can you know?”

    More than you, self evidently if you consider a 49 YO plane flown by an argie “safe”.

    How many hours on the airframe? Too many I bet. What’s the damage record like and who and WHERE have the repairs been done? Ever chipped the prop but haven’t bothered to have it repaired and rebalanced, I would put money on that. I am not going anywhere near the engine the state I see almost new argie cars in over here but another punt I would have is it’s time expired and flying on ‘look see’. Has it EVER had a hundred hours check never mind an annual?

    And WTF does “have to have a good flight plan with enough scales from san fernando to comodoro rivadavia.” mean? Stop using Google translate, it can’t handle the peculiar gibberish you lot use over there.

    Mates with Lunatic now? And here I was thinking you weren’t his sock puppet. If you ask him nicely he will loan you his genuine Russian Navigators chronograph from about 1954 or so. It’s guaranteed to read time spot on twice a day! Ha, ha, ha.

    You pair deserve each other, ACE! Ha, ha, ha, a thousand times Ha!

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    77 ChrisR

    Don't waste your time.

    At most, this Campora Juvenil nino Pablo, is a snob with no money of his own.

    He used to brag about his motorcycle, or bussing it to the polluted beach for surfing.

    Now he's boasting about having his own classic plane - not likely.

    Another desperate assertion of Argentine 'superiority', I expect.

    Pablo's fantasy world - he'll never meet his aspirations - what a schmuck!!

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    cristine
    again and with all due respect, you don´t know a shite.
    a plane with 50 years and with all its “recorridos” done in aero baires, the beechcraft representative in argentina, is totally safe.
    i bet it is 1000% safer than the cachila you drive in pde.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    snore....

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 03:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @75

    Who was talking about money?

    Not me.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 79 Polly

    I will just say this. If you were a pilot you would know the one thing about flying any aircraft: there is NO such thing as “totally safe”.

    As for driving an old “antique” car, how did you know that?

    Ha, ha, ha.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Listen Chris, if Paul wants to fly that plane from Argentina to the Falklands you should be all for it.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    I am still laughing at the idea of Polly arriving at Heathrow. I can picture him being so out of his depth and wide-eyed in wonderment.

    Haha! I bet he has never left Argentina in his whole life.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    christine
    the problem was with the series A, B and C, the first editions, and not with the rest.
    and it was not exactly due to the V tail, but to a structural problem plus the V tail.
    that prob was totally solved, so it is not a flying pig as you have said.

    ...and i thought you were an engineer...lol

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 83 yankeeboy

    If only!

    The first thing he needs of course is an airplane, one that works.

    He is without doubt a complete idiot.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    the best thing you brainwashed islanders can do, is to invite argentine people to help you, bunch of dumbasses, to populate the islets.

    it seems you don't know how to do it, being just 2000 during the last one and a half century.
    and most important is that you will improve your genepool.

    you need to understand that marrying your first cousin is not good.
    nabos.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Falkland Islands

    @87 the best thing you brainwashed islanders can do, is to invite argentine people to help you, bunch of dumbasses, to populate the islets.
    Ha Ha Ha That's rich coming from an argie.
    Why would we want smelly argies here, 72 days of it was enough thanks. And who would want Italian and spanish genes, we would end up making the world feel sorry for us, no thanks!!

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @37

    “do you have a real airport in the falklands?”

    To give you a clue, Lan Chile and other long haul airlines from the UK fly to the Islands.
    If there was an imaginary as opposed to a real airport airport there, they couldn't land there, could they?

    The Argentine security measures are a chance to delay airlines with functioning aircraft, to give a chance for Maximo airlines to:

    1/- Fix their aircraft so they are airworthy.

    2/-Give Maximo enough time to take a dump, so he is light enough to, board Argy Airlines to enable the aircraft to take off with it's maximum all up weight.

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    @87 : I think you will find that any similar sized area of Patagonia is also populated by the same number of people .
    Probably less , actually .
    You are making an arse of yourself , as usual .

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    90
    either you are a complete ignorant or a complete asshole, the result is the same.
    population growth of ushuaia:
    Año - Habitantes
    1893 149
    1895 477
    1906 1417
    1912 1650
    1914 2504
    1922 2608
    1928 2805
    1933 3837
    1947 5045
    1960 7955
    1966 10622
    1970 13431
    1980 27214
    1988 66854
    1989 69408
    1991 69323
    2010 126.190

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    This article is further proof thatthe Argentine Gov. is struggling in a morrass of its own making. Nothing to do with the Falklands, LAN Chile et al.
    That is all hogwash and 'whataboutery'.
    The trolls are 'on the ropes' and they know it. They should persecute their agenda with Cristina, not here. They are responsible for their own Gov.
    No-one else.

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @71 As far as I know the goon squads don't kidnap people and don't have concentration camps. They just kill people in broad daylight.

    Oct 02nd, 2014 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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