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UK Parliament approves air strikes against Islamic State extremists

Saturday, September 27th 2014 - 08:32 UTC
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The UK Parliament has backed British participation in air strikes against Islamic State extremists in Iraq. After a seven-hour debate, MPs voted for military action by 524 votes to 43. Bombing could start as early as Sunday according to defense sources. Read full article


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  • reality check

    This is the correct way to make a decision like this, through parliamentary process.

    Cameron is right when he says, that if circumstances force him to take action in Syria, he will do so.

    He is also right, when he says if does so, he will come back to parliament to explain and justify such action.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    Nuke them out of orbit.
    That plague is even here and they are plotting to kill the president, Pope Francis, police agents and anyone who opposes them. Their plans also involves terrorist attacks on different points of the country.

    Not that i care about the president though, but i would rather have the mad bitch as a president than a bunch of religious fanatic monkeys.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Good, transparent democracy in action.

    Transparency is a good thing. Just like glass.

    Let's make lots of glass! Now, how do we do that?
    Ummm... well, you need some people, plenty of sand, and an awful lot of heat...
    Where's a good place to start?

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    There is a new 'Jihadist Law' coming according to Dizzy Theresa May. It will be aimed at the British Jihad’s who are not content with their lot and disagree with their parents about coming to Britain. Perhaps we will kill them on return from them killing others, but somehow I suspect we will stop at telling them 'they have been very naughty boys'.

    I thought an 'Anti-Jihadist Law' would have been more accurately descriptive, but heh, as long as we kill ALL these medieval religious nutters, who cares?

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    The UK Parliament has no legality in other countries. Only in UK.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    6 malen

    Thank you for that, thank you for that!!

    This forum is ever enriched by you for pointing out the bl**din' obvious.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Does that mean he'll be moving to Los Islas Malvinas tomorrow then?

    Or perhaps not!

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    “The UK Parliament has no legality in other countries. Only in UK.”

    The Argentine parliament has no legal authority in other countries. Only in Argentina.

    So why the God do they keep passing laws for the Falkland Islands?

    Seems a bit..... imperialistic and arrogant to me.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    It proves how ridiculously out of touch you are when you are bleating and decrying “pursued” imperialism of Argentina in the Falklands, when you have within the same sentence IMPERIALISM IN ACTION in Irak and Syria as we speak.




    No one. And here you are bitching about Argentina.

    I you had any decency you would be ashamed of yourself.

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    ....“at the request of the Iraqi government ”.....perhaps....

    Sep 27th, 2014 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    The Iraq Government has requested help.
    Tobi = massive fail.
    Oh dear!

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    Its quite scary to even think what could possibly happen if they keep expanding.
    Just check this out.

    I hope things get sorted out quickly and this group completely obliterated.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    David david, you try I will give you that,

    to little to late, as the experts rather cunningly pointed out
    A side show of power only,

    you cannot be in two places at once but perhaps reversing the cuts might help,
    time will tell if this works out, ..

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Your last sentence confirms you are a supporter of terrorism, it's straight out of the jihadists handbook.

    I'm asking Mercopress to remove your filth from the site.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Tobi has finally cracked.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    Yep, typical commie scum supporting terrorists.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL


    This is ilsen wrote:

    “Let's make lots of glass! Now, how do we do that?
    Ummm... well, you need some people, plenty of sand, and an awful lot of heat...”

    What is this? Support for peace? Support for non-shedding of blood?

    This is what Aureliano wrote:

    “Nuke them out of orbit.
    That plague is even here and they are plotting to kill the president, Pope Francis, police agents and anyone who opposes them.”

    Are you, reality check, now going to show objectivity and demand these posts t be removed. They are CLEARLY INSTIGATING violence and bloodshed.


    I bet you won't, because you are an intellectual dastard.

    I find a sign of the genocidal hubris of Europe and North America, that the prevailing mindset there now is that THEY CAN ATTACK, BOMB, KILL, AND MAKE ANYONE IN THE WORLD SUFFER, BUT THE ATTACKEE MAY NOT RETALIATE. WTF?

    I stand by my statement. This is WAR. You want war Europe and North America, then you should get it. War is suffering, is death. If that reality is too impolitic and unsettling, maybe you should not bandy about its use. Maybe you should not be so quick to go bomb a place with no international authorization, no authorization from the countries in question.

    I repeat it is war. You EUians and NorthAmoans have been way too sheltered about the reality of it.

    You think bombing any nation outside Europe and North America is target practice, that it is fun, that it is something to laugh and make jokes about. Children die, mothers die, sisters die, homes and mementos are blasted away. You people relish that apparently, so long they don't strike back.

    Europeans and North Americans do not deserve to be called human.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @17 It is fear. He is lashing out because he realises his small world in not immune to the damage caused by CFK's government. His life is going to get tough and he has neither the wit nor intelligence to do anything about it.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    20 Elaine

    Fear, and he doesn't want to accept the responsibility or criticism for getting themselves into this.
    Therefore, he must villify others to look better by comparison.

    Argentina is in for tough times, but will pull through.

    Perhaps that is not the case for Nostrils - and he is scared.

    I have no sympathy for him, personally.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @20, 21

    Will you repudiate Ilsen and Aureliano's comments?

    I doubt it, since that requires a sense of decency. And you are EUians.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Your back to your usual ranting in your post.

    In the last post you called for Americans and Europeans to pay in blood and treasure. That's supporting acts of terrorism. Plain and simple.

    Rant on all you want, that can be seen for what it is.

    Call for the shedding of blood again and yes, I will object to it and ask for the comment to be removed.

    If the posts on here are offensive to you. I suggest you do the same. That's why there is a moderator on here. Use it and keep your filthy murderous opinions to yourself.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL


    So you are a pusillanimous Arab-hater. Fine your opinion.

    I don't report posts. I have never reported posts, and I will never report posts.

    I also don't complain, ever, if my posts are removed.

    Be a man. But I know you can't.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    TTT is a frustrated, frightened, anti-social, loner. All this ridiculous ranting not only shows how naive he is but how desperate he is to distract from how awful his life is. What a waste of a life.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL


    And you are a European (loves murder and genocide of non-Europeans). Just like reality check, who likes bombing people from the air for fun.

    I'd rather be frustrated, frightened, anti-social, loner.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    26 Nostrils

    relax, you have your wish.


    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    “Arab hater.”

    Pray tell, on what unsubstantiated evidence do you base that opinion?

    Your vast experience of interacting with the people you call to be murdered?

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    You just called for Arabs to be turned to glass!!!! Can't you read?

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    I just called on Arabs to be turned in to glass!!!!!!

    I beg to differ.

    Show me where I said that?

    You pride yourself on your skill at languages.

    You clearly do not have the level of English comprehension skill, you think you do.

    As to your question, “Can't you read?”

    Clearly, the answer is, a damn site better than you can.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @26 I have not commented on the conflict in the Middle East so you are completely wrong with your accusation.

    My assessment of you is based entirely on your own words.

    Now, calm down and go and try to get some work to help your family. They are going to need every peso in the coming months.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    Get a load of this guy
    Do you realize that if the US and EU fall to ISIS, we are next. This won't stop since they want to impose a worldwide caliphate, and we are into this mess just as much as the rest of the world.
    So yes, i stand my my initial statement that they must be stopped, whatever the cost.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL


    You CONNIVE.

    And if you connive, you support.

    In fact, you accuse me of that DAILY, by adducing my “inaction” anent CFK.

    Your own touchstone, your own gauge.


    No we are not next. They don't want a worldwide caliphate. They only want a caliphate from Spain to Scotland, and all points east to India.

    And they want the USA destroyed.

    That's it. None of our concern.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    Keep telling yourself that.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @33 Wrong again. I know you do not support CFK's government. You have said it and I have reminded you of it. You said you think the Argentine government is corrupt and untrustworthy. I agree with you on that.

    You are trying to be clever but failing. Stop embarrassing yourself and go and get a job. Stop sponging off your mother. You are old enough to feed yourself.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Do you think one Argentine wakes up in the morning in fear of a terrorist attack, or in fear of an invasion by jihadists?

    Not a problem for us. We have our own and no one helps us with them.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @36 Your batty President thinks she is at risk but that aside, since she is barking mad. Your philosophy in life is that it doesn't affect you personally then you should not care about it. How very narcissistic. Maybe we should not care that an unemployable, misfit with outsized feet is going to be very hungry in the coming months. Your biggest fear should be for the insecurity in your own city, and your own street, and your own home. But I am sure you would not expect us to care about your safety. Not a problem for us.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Not a problem for us either...
    The last time a terrorist tried to blow up Glasgow Airport he got a good kicking by a slightly annoyed Glaswegian....
    They don't mess about in Glasgow.....

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL


    You don't care whether I starve or not! But don't worry I won't.

    You are EUian.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    EUian is not a word outside of your tiny world.

    Go and get a job and stop sponging of your ageing mother.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    EUians are real: greedy, imperialistic, unconcerning, obdurate, Janus-faced, and opportunistic.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @41 Your imaginary enemy is not actually real.

    Are you completely unemployable?

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    I have no time for sciamachy.

    You are an enemy, a very real one to my existence. You wish me to starve, you wish me to wallow in debt. You wish me a caliginous legacy.

    By “me” I mean my people, the people I represent and defend here.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    @36 Do you think one Argentine wakes up in the morning in fear of a terrorist attack, or in fear of an invasion by jihadists?

    Seems you forgot the AMIA and the Israeli Embassy terrorist attacks.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Caliphate in Scotland? Any jihadist daft enough to take on a jock, is going to get his arse shoved so far up is own ass, he will be able to see for himself, just how much shit he is in!

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL


    That was an attack on JEWISH targets. Not an attack no Argentina per say.

    Yes, Jewish-Argentines were affected and that is unacceptable. But they don't fundamentally hate ARGENTINES. Much different reality for the EUians and NorthAmoans.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    That should be head up his arse.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @46 You do not represent any of the Argentines I know. Some of my friends there have seen your posts and are heartily ashamed that you claim to be Argentine. Though one doubts that you are.

    So, you are unemployable. I thought so.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL


    Where do you live? Like your exact address?

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    So, you might as well let them take over the world since it doesn't affect us. What makes you think we're so important or that nobody hate us.
    You also seem clueless about their religion. Their plan also involves going after catholics and christians.

    But i guess it doesn't matter because you see yourself as an atheist. *Rolleyes.
    I rest my case.

    Back on the topic hand, this is the kind of stuff that makes me feel uneasy, especially knowing that they keep recruiting and expanding like a wildfire. I say kill 'em all and let the sun and the sand do the rest.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    I think it is.....
    69, My Argentine Friends Buildings ,
    Misrepresent Close,
    Hoodwink on Lyre,
    TEA SER England.


    Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @49 Why? Do you want to visit? You need to go to work and earn some money, save up for the cost of a flight, hotel, food. That should take you about 10 years minimum.

    It does not surprise me that some bitter Argentine posters find the idea of friends baffling.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL


    So you are a homeless vagrant. I thought so


    It is just not a problem for Argentina. It is a problem of our enemies. That's just the way it is.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Don’t see what this has got to do with David Cameron and his decision to take Britain into this conflict at the request of the Iraqi government,

    Yet a small bewildered indoctrinated minority wants the subject turned to suit them and their fanatical views on the free world,

    Keep it sane guys…lol

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Back @17, I wrote:

    17 ilsen (#)
    Tobi has finally cracked.

    And he went on to show just how correct I am.

    Just for clarity. I am not an 'Arab-hater' and I do not want to kill all Arabs.
    I despise these crazy fundamentalists that want to kill others due to their insane interpretation of Islam. They are not religious people. They are muderous thugs that seek to repress, murder, rape and terrorise ANYONE that does not agree with their twisted outlook, including other Arabs. If Argentina had the courage to stand up to them, then they would start killing Argentines. Argentina is still a mostly Catholic country and therefore a natural enemy of IS. Argentina should take this seriously too.

    The only way to stop people like this is to kill them.
    And they must be stopped.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    no matter what you say,
    their are always jihadist supporters out their that will on one hand condemn you, for being normal,

    yet hate you for being westerner. Ignore the twit twats.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @55 Yup, madder than usual. I am guessing TTT has low blood sugar. It will only get worse.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    @53 Our enemies? They are enemies in your mind.
    Talk for yourself.

    I repeat. As far as i'm concerned the only threat here is ISIS and they're after everyone who isn't Sunni. That means not only other islamist but also catholics, Christians, etc. Which makes it a threat for the entire world.

    God, you're so annoying.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Now that we have established Elaine does not have a roof under her head...


    If you say so. You did say though “turn them into glass”. How should one have interpreted that then.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Don't worry the asylum has been notified, and will pick him up, when they find

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I think we can take comfort in the fact that no matter how annoying TTT is, we are not living his sad life.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Trouble is, if they were just germs, we could use Domestos,
    But seeing they are a deadly virus it has to be 100% effective

    Or it will spread and infect us all.

    Just a shivering thought

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    My life is sad. Oh no.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    “Now that we have established Elaine does not have a roof under her head...”


    Sep 28th, 2014 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL


    She didn't provide an address. Which proves she is homeless.

    Just like she “proved” I am unemployable because I didn't respond to her query.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice need to get a sense of humour.....
    You posted a Roof UNDER her head....
    ergo....Snoopy...sleeps on the roof.....Oh forget it...!

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    Back to the story.....

    I know, I KNOW.... but I just want to ask a quick question, I think that the likes of Conqueror or ChrisR may be able to point me in the right direction but....

    The Iraqi government has asked for help from Britain right? But we are helping them by flying from bases in Cyprus.

    Surely they ( the Iraqi government ) could lend us / make space for us at one of their air bases in country? That would give our Tornado's more time in the air before they need to refuel.

    As they said in “Meet the Robinson's”:- “I don't think this plan has been well thought out..........”

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    I do not have a sense of humor with foreigners. That is a privilege only reserved and accorded to native-born Argentines.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    In that case......
    What the Fcuk kind of a language enthusiast doesn't know that it is...
    ...happy now...?

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Obviously the charientism in my redaction thoroughly rifled below your head and completely unkempt your hair.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Yeah sure Toby... great recovery.....Not!

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    “roof under your head” is used in Spanish to refer to he ROOF of HOMELESS people, i.e., the floor.

    If you weren't such a beau ideal of an ANGLO, and learned a little bit of any culture beyond Folkestone or the Shetland Islands, you would perhaps have learned this. But “insular” describes more than the geography of the British.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Like I said...great attempt at a recovery.... humour was lost in the translation....
    er...actually I meant it....
    How about....
    quote..“I do not have a sense of humor with foreigners.”
    ..and...“charientism ... A figure of speech wherein a taunting expression is softened by a jest”
    ..a jest...humour....towards Elaine....a foreigner
    ...are you contradicting your words...?
    ...give it up Toby....just admit your mistake and live with it....

    British Moi...?

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    YOU British. You, EUian.

    Charientism is on the verge of humor. But merely verging, it remains an insult no matter how mellifluous or jocose the words redacted.

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Perhaps it was your misunderstanding of English then...
    It was all a little Spanish joke..but not humour...
    “Now that we have established Elaine DOES NOT have a roof under her head...”
    Your words Toby...
    Elaine does not have a roof under her head (Spanish joke Floor)
    or English does not have a roof under her head (English Roof)
    Either way means she does not sleep on the floor and has a roof not under but probably over her head...
    If the English is too much for you....stick to the Spanish....

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    63 Nostrum of NostrolL

    “My life is sad. Oh no.”

    Well, if the cap fits...............

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL


    “If the English is too much for you... stick to the Spanish...”

    This from an individual whose entire foray into foreign languages is “Moi”??


    Sep 28th, 2014 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Was that it Toby...I highlight your misunderstanding and inadequacies in the English language...
    ...and you try to deflect from your mistake by assuming I am limited to one single word of a language....I can assure you that I know at least six in that particular language....
    However..I can assure you my English is competent enough to correct your incompetence....
    Now perhaps you could now convince me as to why learning Spanish jokes would be of any great benefit to me....
    Maybe it would help me to pose as a Troll on Spanish Forums....;-)
    Perhaps if you asked me nicely I could give you a few tips on how to construct your sentences so that they actually made sense....

    ”But “insular” describes more than the geography of the British.

    But “insular” describes more than geography, for the British.
    ...are you learning....;-)))

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Ok. Let's see it come on, EUians. You don't like beheadings, that's why you are bombing and killing the Arab race?

    When will they start the carpet bombing of the USA??? Come on, do it! Or aren't you consistent?

    Sep 28th, 2014 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    With Nostril's extremely elevated level of education, self learning and ego: you would have thought he would have heard of the concept of 'copycat crime'.

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    TTT is frightened and lashing out. The ranting will get worse.

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    What race are ISIS beheading and killing, what race are the young girls they kidnap rape and murder?

    What race is an Iraqi, a Syrian a Kurd?

    They are not European or North American, are they.

    You of course as an ISIS acolyte deny that they are doing anything wrong. No doubt you consider them courageous fighters against the evil Western devils.

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Agreed. Other than a few westerners being beheaded, the vast majority of atrocities are being commuted against Iraqis.

    To some it seems that ISIS killing Iraqis is acceptable as long as it teaches the west a lesson.

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Our contribution is 6 Tornado jets, yay! Saudi Arabia has 700 jets but I don't see them leading the charge because they want the nasty western powers to be seen to be the bad guys yet again.
    Our contribution is a token to maintain the special relationship, the Middle East has enough soldiers, jets and artillery to put an end to Isil tomorrow but they would much rather someone else did it.

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    TTT will be poo-ing his pants when he wakes up and reads about the local jihadist group SIS (sniggers) Southern Islamic State claiming responsibility for the death threats to CFK. I guess his head is not as secure as he thinks.

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen


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  • CabezaDura2

    IS is a legitimate Sunni expression result of PM Maliki and Iranian promoted sectarianism.

    The US will try to contain IS from overstretching its borders more than they are, but they can't overthrow al Baghdadi's structure.

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Prime Minister David Cameron told MPs that intervention at the request of the Iraqi government was “morally justified

    moving on a bit,
    what if Hong Kong goes bang, and she askes for British help,
    “morally justified
    or justified suicide...?

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    88 Briton

    “what if Hong Kong goes bang, and she askes for British help”

    What are we going to “Help” with?

    All our Air force is in Cyprus, helping out Iraq. What is left of our navy is in the black sea and as for our “army” well........nuff said.

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    IS is legitimate?

    IS has borders?

    The structure can not be defeated?
    I considered you to reasonably intelligent, if a little narrow minded.

    Sure it is hard to kill an ideal but it can be contained if the majority of the proponents are dead.

    You wilfully refuse to accept that if the USA and European and Arab allies do nothing, then one day this evil will visit your shores.
    Who would protect you then? Cristina? Or your castrated military?
    Only Europe stands between you and Sharia Law. Tell me how you would cope.
    I won't accept that crap about oceans.
    It didn't stop 9/11 nor the Jewish killings in BA. Did it?
    You need to put aside your distaste for Europe and realise that Latin America is doing nothing to stop these jihadi nutjobs.
    This is your future too.
    May I get you some coffee, dear?
    Help you wake up?

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2


    IS has more or less stable borders. They are a legitimate group that reflects the Sunni divisions in Irak and Syria from where it gets its support, finance and recruits and from it clearly emerged from. So yes they are legit

    Argentina has the Atlantic Ocean defending it from Jihadists and very few if not a couple of dozens of ragheads in the country and just one Mosque. You fail to see that we still dont have the same kind of political correctness and patronising laws like in North Western Europe. And we would not tolerate them long before they even reach the same level of outragous advances they have gained in Sweden, Holland, Belgium, Britain and France.

    Once they got us with our pants down in the 1990s doesnt mean to say they will get us again.

    I already explained this to you ad nauseum sweety. Now go back to the kitchen and make me some coffee, (please) and don't interfere in mens conversations.

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    89 toooldtodieyoung
    What are we going to “Help” with?
    A very good point and we hope the British government has taken this into consideration,
    Make no mistake Hong Kong at this moment is the only Chinese province [if we can call it this] that has an amount of freedom that the rest of china does not,

    And sooner or later china will crack down,
    She won’t put up with this defiance,
    And we can’t be in ¾ places at once, let alone two places.
    Looks like 2014 will go out with a bang, one way or another
    After the death of president Kennedy,
    They said- quote/unquote
    If they can kill the president of the United States, then no one is safe,

    ISIS the name in question.
    Just a thought..

    Sep 29th, 2014 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Using RAF Akrotiri means that the aircraft's safety,while on the ground, is under RAF control. The same could not be said if they used a base in Iraq. The RAF regiment would have to be deployed,as well as ground crews, spare parts, munitions etc.
    The crews are well trained in missions of this duration and it is no great problem for them.

    Sep 30th, 2014 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    CD2 : One worry would be if the present or future Argentine government decided to allow large scale muslim immigration in exchange for large cash donations from Iran and Saudi Arabia .
    Not an unlikely scenario .
    I am sure they would like to plant their flag in a country rich in resources that just happens to be the Pope's home country .
    The disenchanted and angry youth of the villas would be a fertile recruiting ground for extremists .
    Furthermore , now that there are so many planes sociales in place , they can breed and multiply at everyone else's expense , the way they do in Europe .

    Sep 30th, 2014 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Iran is stiff poor and plus they have already tried doing something of sorts with Chavez's Venezuela but failed. The KSA is already investing in countries like Ethiopia and Kenya for its future food supply and they have already sent in millions of their own to colonize Europe. Argentine society is far more close and much less kind to foreigners like the ones of Europe. It would be almost impossible for a massive Muslim input in Argentina to settle in.

    PS; a common sence question. how on earth do you expect kids of the villas to leave paco, wachiturros, culisueltas, and villero culture, the other Peruvian and Paraguayan and Argentine drug cartels and attend a Mosque and read th Koran (when they cant even read themselves ) ??

    Its naive to take geography out of this.And travel and trade will be far more expensive in a few years. Proximity to the African horn and a already growing and expanding Muslim component in Europe will be the most significant drivers of international politics.

    Just look at where ISLAM is at war with today aside from Iraq and Syria... And its all in the periphery of the Muslim world all over the Mahgreb, Sudan, Central African Republic, Somalia, Afghanistan, Xinjiang China, Russian Caucasus region, Yemen, etc.

    We are lucky we have a Ocean between us.


    Sep 30th, 2014 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Never thought I'd see a bad education system used as an excuse.

    Also considering the Koran is written in Arabic script, learning to read it is part of the mosque experience. Don't have to be literate in the language of the country.
    Very shallow knowledge of what is going on.

    Sep 30th, 2014 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    “Argentina has the Atlantic Ocean defending it from Jihadists ...”
    “We are lucky we have a Ocean between us.”

    Your naivety is appalling as it is worrying. You are saying your only defence is a body of water? As if nature cares about a murderous ideology and will rise up in a tsunami to protect you?
    Nature's only rule is survival of the fittest via evolution.
    I suggest you 'get with the program' as the Yanks like to say.
    Time to evolve and accept responsibilty for your place in the world. You can't be a nation of petulant teenagers forever.

    “we would not tolerate them long...”
    Yet you tolerate Kristina, yet you have tolerated fascists in the past. Your record of doing anything at all when others oppress you is not a strong one. I have little faith that Argentina would do anything at all.

    Equally poverty, ignorance and hunger are the breeding grounds for these fundamentalists, just look at the madrasses in India and Pakistan.

    Meanwhile, enjoy your magical-realism...

    “Argentina has the Atlantic Ocean defending it from Jihadists ...”
    oh dear...
    I don't know if I should laugh or cry....

    You should be thankful that some nations are taking action whilst you stand idly by, in faint hope.

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  • CabezaDura2

    “Western liberals” ...Giorgio Tsoukalos meme would be handy for expressing my feelings on ilsen and anglotino's comments

    97. Its called geography, sweety. Hello, darling a question for you.. What do Mali, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, CAR, Russian caucasus region, Xinjian have in common ??? They have land borders to the Muslim world and many Muslims in them....

    All that I have said is FACT.

    Ohhh way o way are these war torn zones in 2014?? In fact all conflicts in the world save Ukraine involve Muslims in them. Coincedence ?? I dont think so..

    Sep 30th, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    How sad. This level of wilful ignorance has lead you to your current state of affairs.
    Hopefully one day you will open your mind to learn from those who know better.
    Meanwhile, I am happy to make coffee, as it were, (not literally !), if it wakes you up in enough time to save your sorry arse from yourselves.
    One does what one can.

    Sep 30th, 2014 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    ilsen, you think you know better than I do just because you live in London, no matter how many facts and reasond arguments I produce.

    Its not Argentina nor anybody elses business to tell the Muslim countries how to live, what laws should govern them, how they should treat their women and what governance system should they have.

    Sep 30th, 2014 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    We surely have a right to defend ourselves....against anyone we feel is threatening us..
    Best form of defence is attack....hit them on their home turf....

    Sep 30th, 2014 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    100 CD2
    “Its not Argentina nor anybody elses business to tell the Muslim countries how to live, what laws should govern them, how they should treat their women and what governance system should they have.”

    C'mon, CD2

    YOu know this argument is fundamentally wrong.
    These particular Muslims are militant, invading sovereign territory and imposing their laws and their will, on the native population.

    The legitimate governments of those regions have asked for assistance. There is backing from other predominantly Muslim nations “in the neighbourhood” ( for the nino's sake).
    This is not a US, UK, or EU, initiative.

    Invasion, and human rights abuses are not “ok” just because it happens. elsewhere.

    We're talking rape, murder, and torture of civilians, women and children, not 'forcing people to read the Koran'.

    Have you no compassion or social conscience?

    Sep 30th, 2014 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @102 Well said.

    It beggars belief that CD cannot see the difference between muslims in general and Islamic extremists. So, let's take away all religious references and we have a group of terrorists imposing their will on innocents. They are disgustingly brutal. blind to all reason and will not stop of their own free will. A group of countries have been asked to go to the aid of the people under attack. We step up because we cannot stand by and say that it has nothing to do with us.

    I guess I should not be surprised at the inward looking, isolationist view point coming out of Argentina. You are not just an Argentine, CD, you are also human.

    Oct 01st, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    They who live by the sword, will surely die by the sword.

    these fanatics will get what's coming.

    Oct 01st, 2014 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    102. Exept when Islam confronts with others non muslim its different, but we are not bombing Boko Haram, they are going to bomb ISIS.

    The whole point is I guess “I let you be in your own hood, but I dont want you in mine because you are only up to trouble.”

    How many years have the american lead occupation of Afghanistan endured for??
    They had the chance to vote, send girls to school, etc yet the obvious reality is that vast sections of the civilian population support the Taliban that is why they are slowly returning.

    Why ?? Because its the way of life they have and have lived in that way for milleniums

    I have got some distant relatives that died defending those islands, and they have given it away in the following generation.
    Thats too bad. We wont be going to defend them again. Why should we defend a bunch of ageing old liberal c*nts that gave their country away to Islam ??

    Oct 01st, 2014 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    your argument is becoming so twisted it is hard to unravel.
    You accuse the UK of being weak in the face of hardcore Muslims but you say, oh no don't judge them, they have rights.
    You accuse the UK of exporting terrorism, yet you talk about land borders and oceans. How many land borders does the UK have with the countries mentioned.
    In fact what external land borders does the UK have?
    If Muslim extremism can cross the English Channel or the North Atlantic, why can it not reach Latin America?
    In January of this year, I purchased a refrigerator from a Syrian owner of an electronics store in Merida, Venezuela.
    He seemed like a nice man, and a tough business man, but what do I know of his family? Maybe his sons are fanatics?
    Who knows?
    Meanwhile, tonight. First British airstrikes on IS.
    Meanwhile, tonight. Argentina does nothing.
    Thanks guys.!

    Oct 01st, 2014 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    I think its more to do with your own twisted liberal mind that it is hard for you to see things from another more realistic and cyncal point of view so you have to make such a confusion between apples, oranges and peaches that we can already have a delisious carribbean fruit salad made for us.

    I accuse th UK of being weak at home against the Muslims. Yes
    I accuse the UK of exporting terrrorist (wich is a direct result of the previous point )
    The UK is a subject of the Brussels Superstate which kind of makes the English Channel as a geographical barrier useless.
    I buy my clothes from a Lebanese shop owner. So??

    I dont know about the Syrians in Vzla, but I find it funny that you reference him when you must walk among thousands of Muslims in London everyday???

    What Im saying is that London is looking pretty pathetic climbing on the back of the US and play toughguy in the Levant but is scared shitless in its own streets and even dares to tell Israel how to confront with the terrorists.


    You are not going to improve the situation on the ground by bombing IS. And you are certanly not going to defeat IS without giving massive benefits to the Kurds and Turkey is going to be hit hard by this and KSA will resent the new Kurdistan. And on and on it will go.

    When are you ever going to understand this???

    Oct 01st, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    How do you know that London is 'shit scared' of its own streets?
    What a ludicrous comment.
    No one is scared here. Occasionally cautious, but no more than when the IRA were causing a little local bother.
    I referenced the Syrian guy in Venezuela to make the point that there are many Muslims in many parts of the world.
    Some moderate, some fanatics.
    Maybe the Latin American muslim fanatics just don't have the money to travel to the deserts of Persia. Maybe they are just waiting to strike later in Latin America when they have conquered Europe?
    (Haha! )
    I just can't see Latin America coping at all.

    You say bombing those murderous bastards in the desert won't solve the problem at home. Ok,
    1) why can't there be a two fold approach? ie: do both? What would you know about what action the UK is taking at home to deal with the internal threat? You know nothing of the this because the British are very discreet.
    2) you have yet to offer an alternative except inaction
    3) Argentina desperately wants to be a global player in a globalised world but is quick to dismiss the complex issues as someone else's problem.

    Come on, what is your solution?

    Good luck with that 'the oceans will protect us' thing.

    That is exactly what they used to believe in New York.

    Typical Argentine thinking. Decades behind the modern world.

    Oct 01st, 2014 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Well for starters: You are scared. I can tell just by talking to you or any other Liberal Brit in denial

    What is the UK doing just censoring videos of beheadings in internet?? Big deal. But the videos will arrive like it or not.

    Only by birth rates you are doomed to become a 2050 Muslim 40% country, in your own city Mohammed was the most used name foor babies in 2011. And immigrration rates keep growing in the UK by each quarter.

    I have already given you the solution leave them alone to kill each other but dont let them in in your own country.

    Its as simple as that.

    Unfourtunety you are beyond that point by now as a country.

    Do you need further explination??? That you cant understand this very simple and basic concept is due to the falacious and naive understanding of yours that Islam is a religion like any other with some odd extrimists here and there.

    You want to know tomorrows headlines for the middle east ?? Just pick up its history books.

    History and geography will proove your arrogant “modern world thinking” as a total failure.

    As I have explained the only ones who are at war with Islam are the ones who border it or thee ones who got involved with them and lt them into their borders.

    And one thing more sweety.... My thinking is anything but typical Argentine.

    Oct 01st, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Straight line extrapolations.

    Extremely facile.

    Oct 02nd, 2014 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Rather Simple facts.... What have any of you guys got to offer to counteargue with substance anything I say or the records and history itself???

    F... all is the answer

    Oct 02nd, 2014 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    How can I argue with someone who is irrational?

    That is impossible.

    Your beliefs will only be challenged by time and I am willing to wait. You have no idea what it is like to live with so many recent large immigrant communities because no one really emigrates to Argentina anymore.

    When you only read the bad articles on a subject then you of course will have a skewed version of reality. I come across Muslims every single day in my life and there is no problem. For every radicalised youth that is disaffected with society there are thousands that aren't.

    In places like Argentina, Venezuela, Russia and China; disaffected youth are recruited by the government against a perceived common enemy (usually the west). The same happens to some disaffected youth in Muslim communities. However a couple of hundred people from the UK, US or Australia going off to fight is hardly statistically significant if you consider the size of our combined islamic population is 6 million.

    Argentina has a Muslim population double Australia's. And their growth rate isn't as quick as it was now. Birth rates always fall to the average eventually.

    Islam is going through a crisis. This crisis is playing out mainly in the west because some Islamic values are coming up against immoveable western values. Friction will always occur but eventually this friction will settle down. It has been the same for every other major societal change in the west. Women's right, native rights, racial equality, gay rights.... there is always friction.

    The west adapts. That is why is continues and can't collapse. Because there is no monolithic nor single way to do things. Australia, the UK and the US have absorbed cultures and religions from all around the world are we will continue to do that. Disaffected youth, a murder here or there or even a war will not change that.

    It hasn't before.

    Oct 02nd, 2014 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    But Australian immigration policy is far more different to the European one.

    You can spout all that PC rubbish. Yawn....
    But massive uncontrolled immigration eventually has changed local values, cultures forms of governance of a country or region many times in history. The only thing new its that it is the West that is suffering from this process.
    Jewish settlers in Palestine after WWI like it or not. American and english pioneers in the Territories of Mexican Texas, the Barbarian immigration into the falling Roman Empire, and there is heaps of other cases.

    Muslims have far larger birth rates than local british and european ones. They are destined to become 40% muslim by 2050 only by birth rates.

    History is against your own lala pc beliefs.

    You asume that immigrant input always adapts to western values and way of life always..Why???
    The first waves of immigrants in much smaller numbers do, but when more and more comes a process of ghetization and enclavization begins and immigrant culture and values gets exported and imposed on the locals.

    And Islam has being in its own 30 years war since most of its existance, its not something new. And even before the existance of Islam the Middle East was on continual tribal war.

    That is the problem with you lefty liberals. You dont know history. You dont know how to intepret it.

    “Straight line extrapolations.”
    Sure. Do you think that intelligence agencies and geopolitical analysts dont look at history to know what is going to happen?

    Oct 02nd, 2014 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    to solve one side of this argument, it would be better understood by all brits if you CabezaDura2, told us how you would deal with these terrorist,
    from control in the UK to the containment [if ] in the middle east,

    you may well be correct that we brits are to stupid to understand isis or any other person or regimes from this region,
    so please, you tell us how it should be interpreted instigated and implemented to solve this situation,

    we await you answer s to these complicated but easy problems from you...
    over to you..

    Oct 03rd, 2014 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2


    Im sorry mate, but I think your country is unsavable in the long term. There is too many cowards and pc idiots that have given it away.

    You can do things to reduce the process of islamization like baning the vail, morrning calls for prayers, abolish pc laws and change the education system etc. but the numbers are goiing to be fatal when brits die old leaving few descendants if any at all while Muslims have more than two in average who will not merge in nor adopt ancient local values and customs, culture.

    That is on the own home front. But in terms of the Middle East you just let ISIS be. al Baghdadi has his own business and ambitions in the region. Just buy his oil which is cheaper and work with Dictators and autocrats like Israel does. Tell the lawyers and activists in London to f.... off and this is the real world we are living in. And one that it is far from perfect

    Oct 03rd, 2014 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Well you have had no replies since 1400,

    I Agree with your first part,

    but the 2nd would need wild considerations..

    just my view..

    Oct 03rd, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Typical Argentine Fatalism. CD2 doesn't actually give a real answer. Just a neat swerve. “It's all too late, sorry mate”
    Imagine if the British had taken that attitude in 1940!
    At the same time he argues back against himself in reference to intelligence agencies. He says that they take the same viewpoint as him, but elsewhere he says the British are doing nothing at home. Nor should they be acting abroad.

    So which is it?

    I think he is a waste of time these days. He has been infected by the troll disease into wishing doom and gloom on all of Europe due to jealousy.

    Oct 04th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    117. OMG what a f__ing retard you are!!! You have the cognitive capacity of an ameba. What about all the explinations and reasons I have given you so far ?? What part of family members that died in defending those islands dont you understand?? Do you think Im another Toby or paul cedron?????

    Have you read or listened to any of the Intelligence comunity analysts (mostly american) I provided so far ??? Clearly you haven't. Do you think that think tanks and realistic people that know what they are talking about are conducting policy in your country instead of PC lawyers, liberal halfwits and Westminster political class ???

    You are liberal and pro immigration to the core. Everething is fine from my London flat.“ you say ”Muslims are well integrated British citizens” bla bla bla And at the same time you say its never to late... Do you think its Churchill sitting in Number 10 these days????

    GOD you are so adicted to cool aid. You are so stupid. Fuck what a retard ilsen.

    Oct 04th, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen


    CD2 is my new favourite clockwork toy. Wind him up, and off he goes!

    Oct 04th, 2014 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    While the British government defends other countries,

    Spanish fighter jets 'illegally invade' British airspace over Gibraltar – report
    Spanish fighter jets illegally invade British airspace over Gibraltar
    SPANISH fighter jets illegally entered UK airspace to fly “across the bows” of a British airliner in a “reckless and dangerous” stunt over Gibraltar
    Spain refuses to let British military jets fly over Spanish airspace on the way to Gibraltar even though they are partners in Nato, yet they think it’s fine to enter British airspace illegally and potentially distract an airliner as it is trying to safely land on the Rock.
    “It’s time that the British Government sent the Spanish Ambassador packing back to Madrid
    We are fed up with the bullying and intimidation from Spain, and it’s time we showed we are no longer prepared to put up with it

    British response.
    Last night a Foreign Office spokesman said: “We are aware of the incident on September 19. We are reassured that there was no risk to safety caused by the activity of the jets.
    “We are continuing to examine the incident to ascertain whether it was within the lawful right of passage.”

    Pathetic , pathetic , pathetic..

    Oct 05th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Currently the UK is doing something and Argentina is doing nothing.
    No change there.
    I know Argentina sent some little tugboat along to Gulf War 2 but that was a long time again. Cristina claims that ISIL is threatening her, so let's see some action from them.
    or will they rely on others to bail them out as usual?

    Oct 05th, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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