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Ambassador Castro thanks British unions for support in 'vulture funds' and Malvinas disputes
In a speech delivered to over three hundred trade union delegates, Argentine ambassador in London Alicia Castro thanked the British unions for their support in fighting the 'vulture funds' and in backing the call for dialogue on the question of the Falklands/Malvinas, while praising progress made by Argentina regarding the role of women. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulessupport? how?
Sep 29th, 2014 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what next.......The knitting circle of bognor regis.
Argies see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear - reality has nothing to do with it.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hilarious. What kind of retarded thinking comes to the conclusion that UK trade unionists care a rat's arse about their battle with vulture funds; let alone the idea of the Falklands future been discussed over the heads of the islanders. This is obviously for RG domestic consumption only: they're brought up to suck up this sort of crap, generation after generation.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A response from CWU Secretary General, Billy Hayes about his 'support' for Argentina's position regarding the islands would be interesting. I doubt he'd be re-elected if he publicly agreed with Castro.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British unions for their support in backing the call for dialogue on the question of the Falklands/Malvinas,
Sep 30th, 2014 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0It had to happen,
And no doubt David is fast asleep..
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alicia castro was absolutely useless as flying attendant, not to mention as ambassador.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0so far the only thing she did was to steal enough money to buy an apartment in the kavanagh building.
now, i think that most of the honest englanders, and that includes their workers, unionists, singers, artists, etc, support argentina about the malvinas issue.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/02/falklands-roger-waters
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/02/falklands-roger-waters
the only ones who disagree are the british wannabes of this 4th class site, but they do not count too much.
@6 Oh dear.... hasbeen pommy rock star says Falklands belongum RGland... OK guess they had better be handed over muy pronto then...
Sep 30th, 2014 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least you can see Castro for what she is so you aren't entirely bereft of brains....
Left-leaning musicians from the 80s are extremely unlikely to support anything that is positively linked to Thatcher.......and their views are then reported in a left-leaning newspaper.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Their views are more anti-Thatcher than pro-Argentina.
PS even the rest of Pink Floyd think Waters is a bit of a knob
One begs to ask was the difficult question will it be 'chicken or Fish” raised?
Sep 30th, 2014 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 1 Pirate Love
Sep 30th, 2014 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0“what next.......The knitting circle of bognor regis.”
No, no, no they have already said that the Falkland Islands should stay British if the population so wish.
It's the missing 'es' at the end of 'wish[es]' that supports Argentina.
Simon Jenkins
Sep 30th, 2014 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ Distant colonies are a post-imperial anachronism. Britain will have to negotiate with Argentina because the world, either at the UN or at The Hague, will insist on it. The government and media can bury their heads in the sand, but that will not make the Falklands dispute go away or atone for the dead of the silliest of wars a quarter century ago”
Richard Gott
“People sometimes ask me why Argentinians make such an endless fuss about the islands they call Las Malvinas. The answer is simple. The Falklands belong to Argentina. They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain. Because Argentina's claim is perfectly valid, its dispute with Britain will never go away..”
Anglotino
Sep 30th, 2014 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“2014 and the Falkland Islands are still British”
Never heard of them, neither have 98% of the people living here.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are entitled to their opinion, not even going to wate my time looking them up.
I was listening to Alex Betts speaking today, in case you don't know him he is a fourth generation malvinero, and he says that tha vast majority of malvineros only have access to the side of the story provided by the British lobbyists paid for by the Falkland islands company.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0What an example of a democracy the Falklands make, powerful politicians and monopoly guys are telling the people there what to think and believe.
And they better believe it if they intend to keep their jobs.
A joke of a democracy, really.
Really?
Sep 30th, 2014 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0With the internet if people can't figure out the truth then that is more a reflection on them!
Somehow Alex Betts was able to uncover the “truth” before the Internet existed but no one else is capable of doing that?
You're an idiot if you believe that. Every Falkland Islander has access to the full range of propaganda pumped out by the Argentine government.
And yet they don't believe it. Perhaps they just aren't as gullible as Argentineans.
I met Richard Gott in 2001. A really pleasant and kind old gentleman author.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0We took tea together. Nice chap, well meaning.
Politically though, he was still fighting the Cold War through the eyes of the Lat Am Left of the 1970s.
He was a leftwing Chavista apologist then. I doubt he has changed very much since then.
Simon Jenkins is deliberately provocative columnist and paid rabble rouser. I wouldn't be surprised if the Right pay him to write this stuff because it is like catnip to their own supporters!
@15 Angloteen
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or maybe as Alex says the Falkland islands inc. have most of the malvineros up the cojones on their payroll.
@11 Marcos/ Richard Gott & co. 'Conquest and Subjugation' was a legitimate way of acquiring title to territory in the 19th century; how else did Argentina obtain title to Patagonia? I suppose the Indians 'just' consented to genocide...
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I await the ruling from the ICJ, the only body able to rule on territorial disputes. To obtain such a ruling Argentina would first have to submit a request...
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me [castortroy, Marcos, paulcedron] why has Argentina, if it has “legitmate right”, not submitted such a request?
@ Brit bobo
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you agree you subjugated the argentines back in 1833.
Cos most of you still deny to this day that ever happened.
You guys need to make up your minds, you either been there all by yourselves all this years or you conquered and subjugated the argentines that were there long before you arrived from Britain.
1833 was Argentinas first attempt to usurp someone else's territory, it was unsuccessful, so they turned on and had better results back on the continent. Fast forward to 1982 and they tried again, they were unsuccessful again.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0If your so concerned about about subjugation of peopes land, give the back the land you now occupy to its original owners.
There is lots of it.
@ 6
Sep 30th, 2014 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you for real, Paul? A link 2 TWO people supporting the so called Argentine cause? Get out of here you idiot.
Furthermore, I can assure you as a British / English citizen - not some wannabe, that you do not have much support over here and certainly not from trade unions, artists etc. You have the support of 3 people if you include George Galloway.. That level of British support is nothing to write home about, believe me.
Macros reposting comments previously made and heard by the handful of people supporting talks, achieves what, exactly? Are you morons any closer to your dream of taking the Falklands? Of course not. One thing for sure is that Argentina will never drop it’s claim but that has more to do with Argentina being the equivalent of a petulant child. But one thing for sure is this: Come the year 2030 / 2040 / 2050 and so on – The islands will remain British.
In the days when Royal Mail used to recruit British people, they would deliberately target ex-military service folk...
Sep 30th, 2014 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find it hard to believe even a fool like Billy Hayes would set out to piss off this mainstay of his union.
What we are missing here is, an Argentine woman was invited to address the “women's” section of the CWU.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0What was she going to talk about, women's rights in Bangladesh?
Happens all the time.
'Ambassador Castro, participated in the UK Communication Workers Union’s (CWU) Annual Women’s Congress, invited by CWU Secretary General, Billy Hayes.'
Sep 30th, 2014 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess there must be something in the UK called the CWU but, I must say, in 50 years of observation of the working life of Britain, the CWU is conspicuous by its non-existent profile; Billy Hayes likewise.
Pretty much like Ambassador Castro.
Like the 'spirit world', these two wraiths of restlessness howl together in their personal darknesses ... and the real world is largely oblivious - save for the chilled frisson caused by the invisible brushing past of these, the undead.
For anyone interested there's a transcript of Billy Hayes' speech to the CWU Women's conference here: http://www.cwu.org/billy-hayes/?p=1189
Sep 30th, 2014 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0For those of you who don't feel like wading through the blame-the-government-for-everything diatribe, I'm sure that you've guessed what he actually said about the Falklands...
The square root of sod all
Seriously the Ambassador tells blatant lies.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did no one at the meeting have the wherewithal to stand up and as her for evidence of her claims.
Or even to tell her to stop lying and we support the right of the peoples of the Falklands to determine their own future.
As they did with the internationally recognized and monitored referendum.
If Argentina has a case in law then they can go to the ICJ.
Ask her why they have failed to do this, yet have gone to the ICJ when Argentina fails to pay it's bills.
When I was in my equivelant of a union I paid monthly subscriptions.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those subscriptions were to help my elected official representative work to improve my work conditions, my salary and my pension rights. In other words to represent me.
I do not know what the members of the CWU believe theirs should be doing, but I sincerely doubt it has anything to do with the way which any foreign government conducts its business in the international money markets.
I would expect the people on the ground to say, WTF does this have to do with me me.
These people should Concerntrate on what they are paid to do. Represent their membership to the best of their ability and not use the office to excercise their own political agendas. If they want to that, piss off! and stand for parliament, let someone do the job properly!
@17 castortroy
Sep 30th, 2014 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see you have difficult with my name a portmanteau of anglo and latino. Funny that you denigrated the latino part of it but not the anglo part.
Nice reflection on your inadequacies.
Anyway, to your post, so the reason no one on the Falkland Islands will believe anything Argentina says. Did you think that farcical idea up all on your own?
Because it makes no sense. Are you paid to believe what you believe? Because according to your logic that is the only way you can believe what you do.
Alex Betts is happy to live in Argentina. The Falkland Islanders aren't.
For some reason one person's choice is acceptable to a hypocrite like you, but others aren't.
Opinions are like derrières everyones got one, there are lots of hair-brained people that make judgements on matters that they obviously know nothing about. Beliefs carry no weight against the overwhelming legality of the British position.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I've always believed that the administration of the Falklands by Argentina is the best solution for all sides,...”Simon Jenkins
'Gott resigned as literary editor of the Guardian in 1994 after it was alleged in The Spectator that he had been an “agent of influence” for the KGB, claims which he rejected, arguing that “Like many other journalists, diplomats and politicians, I lunched with Russians during the cold war”. He asserted that his resignation was “a debt of honour to my paper, not an admission of guilt”, because his failure to inform his editor of three trips abroad to meet with KGB officials at their expense had caused embarrassment to the paper during its investigation of Jonathan Aitken
The source of the allegation that he was an agent, KGB defector Oleg Gordievsky. In his resignation letter Gott admitted “I took red gold, even if it was only in the form of expenses for myself and my partner. That, in the circumstances, was culpable stupidity, though at the time it seemed more like an enjoyable joke”.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Gott
You were explicitly barred under prior Anglo-Spanish treaties from ever holding sovereignty. Under Utrecht and Nootka Spain had promised NEVER to cede any of her territories, and gave permission for the UK to continue further development in Islands, in the event of a third parties' intrusion. Along with shared sovereignty of the islands from the 1771 Declaration. But even if these prior conditions didn't exist and the UK simply sailed over the ocean blue and took them, it was perfectly legal in 1833 to wit:
THE RIGHT OF CONQUEST The Acquisition of Territory by Force in International Law and Practice by SHARON KORMAN
”...Thus, in the Island of Palmas case, decided in 1928, an intern
Carry on
Sep 30th, 2014 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0pork
Sep 30th, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(nice nickname, uh?)
2 examples are not enough for you, you nabo?
here you have more:
Time Britain gave back Gibraltar... and the Falklands
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/opinion/columnists/time-britain-gave-back-gibraltar-and-the-falklands-133467n.21868219
The Falklands can no longer remain as Britain's expensive nuisance
Distant colonies are an anachronism. Britain will have to negotiate with Argentina because the world will insist on it
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/opinion/columnists/time-britain-gave-back-gibraltar-and-the-falklands-133467n.21868219
as i said before, only a bunch of 2000 wannabe british do not agree with that sensitive, progresista idea
@32
Sep 30th, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess your ambassador has given you hope that being invited to an extreme leftist group bordering on communist represents the opinion of the British people. Unless its escaped your notice, if anything the UK is moving more and more to the right.
This is evidenced by the fact that despite the horrendous cuts carried out by the Conservative government, the public still trust them more than the Labour party with the economy and Cameron still polls ahead of Milliband as a leader.
I will be voting UKIP, not because I care a damn about Argentina, your country is utterly insignificant to the UK, I like most people in 'England' care more about immigration and Europe bleeding us dry.
Don't over estimate your importance to the UK, remember all we have to do is send ONE sophisticated warship to the South Atlantic and it sends your government into outright panic, presumably because they have no defence from it.
33
Sep 30th, 2014 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“... remember all we have to do is send ONE sophisticated warship to the South Atlantic and ..blablabla...”
says the pelotudo...LOL
and remember: “Military conquest does not establish legal title.”
@34
Sep 30th, 2014 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The bit you should have remembered is that Argentina is utterly insignificant to the UK.
In fact, who are you significant to? Oh yes China wants all of your natural resources.
@32 Paul
Sep 30th, 2014 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WOW! That brings your total up to 5!! With that level of support, one can only wonder how on earth Argentina hasn't managed to colonise the Falklands yet! Amazing stuff Paul, keep it up!
Just imagine, Paul. If you had the support of 9 or even 10 Brits, with all that copying and pasting, you probably wouldn't have had the time to make a completely redundant comment in regards to my nick name but since you ask, yes, I rather think it's nice too... and what....?
I await more links Paul because if you think for a second anybody is impressed by links to 4 individuals, I suggest you “think” again you fool.
The Argentine populace is deeply concerned at the moment. This is not the time of silly international debate. From the Daily Mail:
Sep 30th, 2014 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's Máximo Carlos Kirchner has piled on so much weight that he has fractured both his ankles and remains in hospital after an operation, it was reported today.
The son of the late President Néstor Kirchner and current President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner of the financially troubled nation of Argentina is estimated to have ballooned to 20 stone as a result of fine wining and dining - putting enormous pressure on his feet and legs.
A source who has recently returned to Miami from Buenos Aires said Maximo, believed to be aged 37 is still in hospital under guard from his personal protection team.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2774604/Maximo-hospital-two-fractured-ankles-ballooning-20-stone-going-numerous-meet-people-walkabout-PR-stunts.html#ixzz3EnipkM8l
Unsurprisingly there is no mention of the Falkland Islands (or Malvinas) in the report written by the CWU on the Women's Conference available at:
Sep 30th, 2014 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.cwu.org/news/archive/youngest-mayor-tells-women-s-conferene-quot-we-re-not-here-to-keep-the-status-quo-quot.html
@32
Sep 30th, 2014 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You still don't get it do you? The FALKLANDS will remain A British Overseas Territory until the FALKLANDERS decide otherwise. All the he said this he said that WILL NOT CHANGE the status quo. The FALKLANDERS wish to remain a ( BOT ) it will not change until the FALKLANDERS wish it. Just jog on.
@4. Email Hayes. Tell him what you think. If you're in Britain, remember that the CWU are traitors.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6. Don't be more stupid than usual. Anyone in the UK who supports argieland on the subject of the FALKLAND ISLANDS is a little, faggoty, traitorous bastard. Much like argies. We should have a 'movement' in the UK to seek out such animals and eliminate them. Oh, and the guardian is a traitor anyway.
@11. Jenkins and Gott are brainless. Curiously, Jenkins was in favour of the Falklands War. He was recorded as saying that every argie invader should be executed. 20 years later he was bent the other way. How much did the argies pay him? Gott was paid by the KGB. Two undoubted traitors.
@14. On the other hand, people all around the world can research the facts for themselves. No sign of British government interference. Indeed, the 'sources' would put the original information back if the British government tried. How does this compare to the argie 'story'? http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/03/false-falklands-history-at-the-united-nations-how-argentina-misled-the-un-in-1964-and-still-does/
Just count the number of argie lies.
@15. He's an argie trolltoy. Not interested in the truth.
@20. Are you hoping that, if you lie enough, your dick will grow? Why not call yourself 'penisochio'? Or 'dickhead' for short? Short history. British from 1690. Spain got butt kicked in 1770/1. Argies tried to sneak in 1820 via a pirate. 1833 Britain returned and argies sailed away in terror. Remember the terror bit. Could come again.
@32. Come on. An unattributed gob of incoherent drivel and something similar from Jenkins again. Try to remember. Jenkins has a gob bigger than his snot-filled brain.
@34. Actually, it does. “Territory occupied at the end of an armed conflict is the property of the occupier”. The Falkland Islands are BRITISH. NOTHING before 1982 counts anymore.
And perhaps we'll kill you!
@ 21. Castrol You keep claiming your population was usurped by greater force so yep, 'Conquest and Subjugation' was a perfectly legal mode of obtaining territory back then. Just like RG land did in Patagonia in 1878. Conquest of the Desert - I suppose the Indians just consented to it?
Sep 30th, 2014 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the population of the Falklands were made up of unemployed disabled black , lesbian single mothers with criminal records , the audience would have thrown her out in an instant .
Sep 30th, 2014 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because the inhabitants are white , hard working and self sufficient and unlikely to become “clients” of the state , they are of no interest to the trades union movement or to the British left in general .
Strange - a speech of this nature uttered by this weird woman would have been headlines in the Daily Mail - but nothing!
Sep 30th, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did it really happen?
Comment removed by the editor.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 038 Simon68
Sep 30th, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have looked as well and could not find any mention of the Falkland Islands or Malvinas.
According to the CWU website she said the following :
Sep 30th, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guest speaker, Argentinian Ambassador, Alicia Castro, declared that “you don't achieve anything if you don't fight.”
Alicia told how there had been significant institutional steps taken in Argentina to improve the situation of women, though “machismo has not been eliminated.”
The ambassador told of the struggle of the Argentinian Government against the globalised neo-liberal model of capitalism. “We are struggling to protect the way of life and the interests of the public and assets,” said Alicia.
I assume that everyone has spotted the deliberate pattern observed by todays Argentine politicions?
Sep 30th, 2014 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Attend some “conference/meeting/publicity event” and then make a speach “thanking XYZ” for “Their support” in ABC.
This speech always comes at the end, when XYA dont have the chance to respond and point out they dont support ABC, or are, in other cases, simply too embarrassed for the Argentine Politician to actually point out that, no, they dont support ABC whatsoever and neither were they invited to talk about that in the first place.
Its quite cute... although sooner or later people will get sick and tired of this ploy and they'll have to change to another method of claiming support where nothing actually exists.
Meanwhile, at todays Toddler Group Meeting for the Under 3s, Alicia Castro thanked all British babies for their support in Argentinas rightful and just crusade to colonies the Falklands Islands and steal all that lovely oil and natural wealth.
Their heartfelt cries were just condemnation of a British Government that wants nothing but to extend its colonizing of other nations and its utter refusal to even grant these minorities a referendum on their own future...
oh.
bugger
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wwwwaaaaaaa waaaaaah waaaaaaah ..said the audience
“I didnt know you were here Cristina?”... Said Alicia....
@ 20 castortroy
Sep 30th, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So you agree you subjugated the argentines back in 1833”
As has been documented time and again on the en.mercopress forum, using Argentine documents, there wasn't any Argentine republic before 1860 (one might claim it existed from 9 July 1859 (“Tratado de Reconocimiento, Paz y Amistad Firmado por la Confederación Argentina con S.M. la Reina de España”) or following “Segunda Batalla de Cepeda” 23 October 1859).
As has been documented very thoroughly on the en.mercopress forum, the British aquisation of and title to the Falkland Islands were and are in indisputable accordance with international law as it was in 1833, and this was later acknowledged by a peace treaty and 2 Argentine presidents and an Argentine vice president.
But talking about subjugate ...
How did Spain acquire Spanish America from the indigenous people?
How did the people who later became the Argentines acquire Spanish America from Spain?
How did the Argentines acquire the provinces Misiones, Formosa and Chaco?
How did the Argentines acquire Patagonia in 1878-80?
At gun point, or at gun point or did they just attack and butcher the real owners, or at gun point?
Castortroy
Sep 30th, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The so-called usurption in 1833 NEVER HAPPENED.
On January 6th 1833 the British ship HMS Clio arrived in the Falklands. Its Captain Onslow peacefully requested that the crew of the Argentine schooner SS Sarandi vacate the islands.
The 55 crew of the Sarandi, who had arrived only 6 weeks weeks earlier, all left taking four of the islands inhabitants with them, who chose the passage to Uruguay. The Sarandi crew had already mutineed, murdered their Captain Esteban Mestevier and raped his wife.
The small civilian population (around 20 persons) who were under the leadership of the British Matthew Brisbane and William Dickson were encouraged to stay, and indeed made up the early population of current Falklands habitants.
So sorry, no Argentine rule, no usurption, all lies...you and Alex Betts choose to spew.
by the way, the was also no “inheritance” from Spain. The Spanish population from between 1765 and 1811 all left voluntarily...AND NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM EVER BECAME ARGENTINE>
you lose...
@ 34 paulcedron
Sep 30th, 2014 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Military conquest does not establish legal title.”
That is correct - but you confuse 'does not' with 'did not'.
From the time when the hills were young and until 1918 after the First World War ended (legally) and until 1946 (de facto), when the Soviet Union took parts of its satellite states' territories, international law acknowledged that Military conquest does establish legal title.”
“The Spanish population from between 1765 and 1811 all left voluntarily...”
Sep 30th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
brainswased little islanders...lol
@51 paulcedron
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PCA Eritrea and Yemen Arbitral Tribunal of 3 Oct 1996
Para 147
'It was further agreed in these proceedings that Ottoman title had been secured by military occupation, which was lawful by references to the international law of the day.' Lol
So..paulcedron...who forced the Spanish population to leave...other than Spain?
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) how many people were “forced” to leave the islands on Jan 6th 1833?
2) how many of those “forced” had been on the islands for longer than 6 weeks?
3) how many of the Spanish population of 1765-1811 became Argentine?
When you can HONESTLY answer those 3 questions, you will find the truth to Argentinas claim. Stripped back to the historical facts, there is no claim.
Honesty now cedron...no myths, no lies answer the three questions...
1) 55
2) NONE
3) NONE
They are the facts dickhead....
I think the time is coming fast that the islanders or Britain should make a counter claim against Argentina,
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rightly or wrongly it will put the cat amongst the pigeons Permanently...
imbeciles various
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0of course the english forced them to leave.
it seems the english always wanted these lands (invasiones inglesas 1806, invasiones inglesas 1807, vuelta de obligado 1845, informal british empire, etc.)
but they had to make do with the islets.
these little islanders forget that we are talking about england here, lol.
the biggest pirates ever.
You live in the past,
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you should direst you comments to either Blackbeard ,
or Tate,
im sure these will welcome you aboard there ship ...
The English forced the Spanish to leave in 1811???
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well there is a new take on the Argie myths...lol...a brand new lie made up on the spot by cedron.
The Spanish settlers on the islands left in 1811 at the request of Spain to join the Spanish army in Montevideo to FIGHT the newly formed Argentine (UP) uprising. So the Spanish islanders were enemies of Argentina, not a precursor to Argentina.
Poor cedron doesn't even know the official lies...so makes new ones up.
So come on cedron...how many we're evicted in 1833, how many had been there more than 6 weeks....simple questions....
“The Spanish settlers on the islands left in 1811 at the request of Spain to join the Spanish army ...”
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL
where did you study history?
in the pork stanley university?
brainwashed and ignorants: great combination...ha
OAS to the rescue
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2014/09/30/oas-to-the-rescue-of-obama-calls-on-country-members-to-accept-guantanamo-detainees
OAS, Secretary General Jose Miguel Insulza “urged the United States to close the Guantanamo Bay facility without delay and arrange for the trial or release of the detainees” and called on member countries to consider receiving detainees in Guantanamo.
And ISIS may well come to argentina sooner than you think..
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30 Terence Hill (#)
Sep 30th, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 30th, 2014 - 11:51 am
“ Opinions are like derrières everyones got one, there are lots of hair-brained people that make judgements on matters that they obviously know nothing about. Beliefs carry no weight against the overwhelming legality of the British position.”
May I re-phrase that for you kind Sir?
I suggest;
“ Argentine Opinions are like derrières, everyone there has got one, yet most are hairy and ill-formed...”
:-))
...
Still no confirmation from the Unions re: the BBQ queen's speech....
mrs ilsen
Sep 30th, 2014 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”“ Argentine Opinions are like derrières, everyone there has got one, yet most are hairy and ill-formed...”
you say that because you have never seen argentine derrières.
here you have some examples.
http://vos.lavoz.com.ar/files/imagecache/lviv_preset_652_366/10_44.jpg
http://vos.lavoz.com.ar/files/imagecache/lviv_preset_652_366/10_44.jpg
http://vos.lavoz.com.ar/files/imagecache/lviv_preset_652_366/10_44.jpg
http://vos.lavoz.com.ar/files/imagecache/lviv_preset_652_366/10_44.jpg
http://vos.lavoz.com.ar/files/imagecache/lviv_preset_652_366/10_44.jpg
now compare these derrières with the ones you have in the islets...lol
I have no intention of opening your links. Probably 'donkey porn'. I don't want to be put on the same 'paedo - list' as you lot of Catholic kiddie-fiddlers, thanks very much.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You obviously didn't understand the humour. You always have to be literate because you are not sophisticated to understand British wit.
Next time, ask a Chilean to interpret for you.
When you finally have the chance to leave the Dark Country you may find that beauty, like humour, is mainly subjective.
Now do tell us more about your experiences at Heathrow. Did they turn you back?
Is that the reason for your bile?
Back on topic. Will Alicia be tempting us all with another bbq this year? Or will it just be Argentine Economic policy in flames?
mrs ilsen
Sep 30th, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0humour?
is that humour for you?
lol
you are a joke but not because of your humour but because of your own ridiculousness.
as for heathrow, if you don´t agree with me, it means that you have never been there.
your whole life stuck in the islets...must be sad
Haha! I have been through Heathrow about 5x Argentina has been in default.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do the math.
Ps. Argentina still owes British Gas (BG Group) $180 million.
I have shares in BG Group. Hence, your Government and therefore your people, including you paul-carrion, owe ME money.
pay up, or shut up!
“ I don't want to be put on the same 'paedo - list' as you lot of Catholic kiddie-fiddlers, thanks very much”
Sep 30th, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol, that is a bit rich coming from an english / english wannabe.
probably the most perverted country in the world.
“The alleged paedophile ring at the heart of the British Establishment
Investigation in to alleged child abuse ring in Westminster dogged by claims of cover ups and missing files”
“More than 600 suspected paedophiles, including doctors and teachers, have been arrested across Britain after a six-month investigation led by the National Crime Agency.”
“Looking back to the great British paedophile infiltration campaign of the 1970s
The furore about links between senior Labour figures and a pro-paedophilia activist group has its roots in a half-forgotten cultural revolution”
“How did paedophilia come to be such a problem in Britain?”
One would have to suggest that seeing as one seems to know so much abt this vile subject, one would have to suspect involvement, would one not..
Oct 01st, 2014 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh confess already! None of you are really islanders, we are probably arguing with a bunch chauffeurs and other help from the FIC.
Oct 01st, 2014 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are fighting the exported FIC keyboard warriors.
Idiot paulcedron is again blabbering.
Oct 01st, 2014 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0He knows absolutely nothing about what happened on the Falkland Islands in 1832-33, which is why Idiot paulcedron persents no facts.
you have been asked some straight forward questions above in #48.
Oct 01st, 2014 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you are as knowledgeable as you yourself believe, why don't you answer them?
They were:
How did Spain acquire Spanish America from the indigenous people?
How did the people who later became the Argentines acquire Spanish America from Spain?
How did the Argentines acquire the provinces Misiones, Formosa and Chaco?
How did the Argentines acquire Patagonia in 1878-80?
Answers, please.
paulcedron. The right to self-determination; immemorial possession; extinctive prescription/acquiescence; conquest and subjugation and article 73 of the UN charter means that Argentina has a zero sovereignty claim. A claim without a case is illegitimate and only fools those who feel the need to be fooled. 92 years of inaction through the world court system speaks volumes.
Oct 01st, 2014 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know jokes are less funny if you have to explain them, but if you read my comment @60 you can see I was saying that most Argentine opinions (here) are ill-formed and hairy, not the actual derrières...
Oct 01st, 2014 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll do the wit, and leave the bottom sniffing and porn, to paul-carrion.
After all, that's all he really has left now...
The vulture funds are just that vultures Argentina went bust still pretty shaky expecting to buy junk bonds for penny's and get full value your having a laugh.
Oct 01st, 2014 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I support Argentina on this one the vulture funds are turds.
Falklands not a chance islanders happy as they are Argentina failed on that one
Well paul seems to have gone rather quiet..
Oct 01st, 2014 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paulcedron
Oct 01st, 2014 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is frightening how little you know of the falkland islands history.
“Following a decision by Viceroy Francisco Javier Elío, on February 13, 1811 all the troops and settlers of Puerto Soledad were evacuated on board the brigantine Galvez to Montevideo in order to fight his Buenos Airean adversaries”.
Nothing to do with the Britiash and the settlement was abandoned to fight the Argentines...not to become them...
Not brainwashed sonshine...its in your own Governments records.
poor cedron...made a bit of a cock of yourself....lol
imbeciles
Oct 01st, 2014 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the first thing you have to do to opine about history, is to read real history books, compare the different authors, etc, and i strongly doubt you have a single book in those freak*ng islets.
and taking in account the quality of your “library”, it seems you give a shite for anything related with culture, reading, etc.
http://www.falklandislands.com/shopimages/products/thumbnails/library.jpg
Point of interest, 95 % of Hong Kong people wish to be ruled by the U.K. under the same democracy.
Oct 01st, 2014 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any comment Paulcedron ?
@ 75 paulito-the-Idiot-cedron
Oct 01st, 2014 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is under the gross misapprehension, that “the first thing you have to do to opine about history, is to read real history books”
No.
Anyone who wants to know, read the original documents in the archives (as I and others on this forum have). That protects us from both biased authors and Argentinos mentirosos, and is the reason why we have real knowledge on the subjects discussed.
How many and whom were expelled, and who stayed on the Falkland Islands in 1833?
Lista de la tropa, sus familias y peones de la isla de Malvinas: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5053/5533028871_5a2bfae23c_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5053/5533028871_5a2bfae23c_b.jpg
Original source: Archivo General de la Nación, Sala III, 16-6-5.
@75 paulcedron
Oct 01st, 2014 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pablo
Still so full of hate, with more name calling and empty of truthful facts.
Support of a Union leader ? a few singers and artists ?? and what difference, may I ask, will that make ? Let the Trolls beleive they've mustered important support, but it will get them nowhere until they decide to approach the ICJ with their lost cause....and even after they lose the case, and are told to go home and shut up, they'll keep on harping on the same subject...but it's OK, it keeps us entertained..lol..
Oct 01st, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jack,
Oct 01st, 2014 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like single malt too.
imbeciles IMBECILES,
Oct 01st, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His brain for less imbeciles...
@37 Chicureo
Oct 01st, 2014 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see a likeness between fat boy Máximo Carlos Kirchner and the government of TMCOA....too heavy to stand on its own two feet.....or its four hooves ??
@60 Ilsen
Your remark on 'opinions' was too subtle for the Trolls...but they seldom get the message anyway, even when it's crystal clear and staring them in the face..
@80 Geoff
who doesn't ?!
Thanks Jack B.
Oct 01st, 2014 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0at least my efforts are appreciated by some...
I think paul-carrion must be getting psychotic now. He seems convinced that 90% of posters here are from the Falklands, including myself.
It must be a very strange life he has. Other countries must seem like mystical worlds to him.
I predict that as Argentina sinks deeper into decline the trolls will become more and more shrill and unhinged, before eventually. ..
... pfffft!
The lights go out.
Expect more of a whimper, than a bang.
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