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UK far right party gaining ground into conservative turf
A lawmaker from Britain’s ruling Conservative party defected to the anti-EU United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP), dealing a blow to Prime Minister David Cameron on the eve of his party’s annual conference. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe tide is turning and there will be more to come. We will have our first MP on the 9th October. The LibDems will be wiped out at the 2015 general election and UKIP will hold the balance of power, exactly where we need to be to influence our exit from the EU.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0VOTE UKIP
UKIP is only Far Right in the anxious minds of labour and conservative politicians who see their lucrative and cosy control of parliament coming to an end.....hopefully.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't call UKIP “far-right”. They have some nutters but so do all the parties. They're more a specific issues party that the other main three refuse to address for fear of losing an election.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The people of the UK never wanted a political union in Europe, law after law after law has been passed and we have never had a say on any of them, now 75% of our laws are made in fucking Belgium. I have had enough. All we want is a free trade agreement with the EU and we can keep our 55 million a day. Any EU residents that live here from other countries can be vetted on a points system, the good ones we keep, the rest can go home.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Far right?
Sep 29th, 2014 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's why many labour voters are voting for them -right?
From what I saw of their conference, their delegates spelt out, SPECIFICALLY, in great detail what they hoped to achieve, especially with fisheries, farming and other issues that are ignored by the other parties.
And measures that would see many working class voters get more jobs-that's not far right politics.
From what I can gain so far from Labour and Conservative conferences is just soundbites-very little detail.
The specific commitment to Britain's BOTs was interesting, UKIP's idea to incorporate them ( only after a yes vote after referendums) into the UK.
There was also a commitment to make sure Gibraltar was properly protected against Spain.
They also debunked the falsehood that UK's trade would be adversely affected by quitting the EU, displaying much evidence to support their case onto the screen, and advocating more global trade agreements.
The most important thing is that the majority of British people want the EU out of the UK. Forty plus years ago we had EFTA. It was about trade. Trade is what the UK is all about. Some people thought that a bigger 'community' would improve trade. The back up, as I recall, was the spectre of soviet tank armies flooding across the North German Plain to reach, and cross, the English Channel. The carrot and the stick. Information technology was not what it is today. That's both bad and good. These days the biggest problem is identifying the Chinese, the fools, the gullible, the lickspittles, the morons, the North Koreans, the Russians, the xenophobes. But there IS much more information and comment. If the internet had existed in its present form in the early 70s, the UK would not be a member of the EU.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 'problem' has to be addressed and balance redressed. As one would expect, the UK joined what is now the EU in pursuit of its own interests. Would we want “our” laws created 200 miles away in a different country with alien thought processes?
The need now is to chop the greedy, grasping, interfering hands of the EU OFF. And, while we're at it, we can continue chopping off of the hands of the ECtHR. Whoever heard of a sovereign nation being forbidden to expel a foreign murderer, paedophile or rapist? How would such 'things' have a family, let alone a family life?
And it's so easy. Despite the ignorant who insist on complying with EU 'rules'. First, you repudiate any treaty that was signed. There's no need to give a reason apart from “Doesn't suit us anymore”. Then there's the 'day' when you repeal every Act of Parliament that gives the EU any authority in the UK.
Result? The UK and the British people will be FREE. Figures vary, but they will probably save as much as £55 million PER DAY, or even more. Call that £20 billion per year. Watch the deficit fall every day! Would the UK be weak? 3 new aircraft carriers every year?
the uk is the most indebted country in the world.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0and 75% of that debt is with the european union.
so, what independence of the e.u. are these pricks talking about?
pay first then talk, you bunch of parasites.
A bankrupt giving debt advice.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clever!
Paulie - you do NOT have to be in the EU to have a very close working trade with the EU. If UK leaves it in a couple of years or so - be sure - France and Germany will follow as their publics are also becoming more and more fed up with it all.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh - and WHICH Country in the EU and Western Europe has the strongest and growing economy today/
@ 8 reality check
Sep 29th, 2014 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bankrupt with an antique 'totally safe' aeroplane if you don't mind. :o)
Camoron was never the man to be Prime Minister and it has showed in spades: he and the rest of his buddies will be out next year.
UKIP will not have an overall majority but MAY have enough influence to become the King Maker and go from there.
It can't be any worse than the coalition of the C's and whatever the name of the other idiots is.
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Sep 29th, 2014 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#7
Sep 29th, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many times have I demonstrated that you are wrong about that? You're really not very clever are you.
I personally can't stand UKIP, their politicians are atrocious and amateur (the Scottish UKIP MEP is spectacularly bad), and I strongly disagree with many of their policies - cutting income tax for the highest earners during a recession is a spectacularly stupid idea.
At the same time I appreciate they speak to a segment of the population and I acknowledge that some of their policies are reasonable (it is certainly true something needs to happen with the EU, as we a drifting towards EU federalism). I also appreciate the fact they have essentially politically destroyed the BNP.
Here's what I think about UKIP:
Sep 29th, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UKIP...a party which will guarentee that the very issue they are in existence to resolve is kicked into the grass for a generation.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UKIP will not hold the balance of power after the next election. It is highly unlikely, even according to Nigel Farage that they will have any MPs with a maximum of 4-5.
What they will do is split the right wing vote EXACTLY as they did in Eastleigh, allowing more Liberal and Labour MPs in Parliament...and ensuring a Milliband government.
A vote for UKIP is a vote for Miliband....NEVER FORGET IT...ITS A FACT.
The next prime Minister will either be Miliband or Cameron...one has promised an in/out referendum, the other would sooner die first...yet UKIP are doing their level best to ensure we get the latter.
What a mess!
@ 12 inthegutter
Sep 29th, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly you were not around when Labour under Wilson had a 90% tax rate quickly reduced to 83% but PLUS 15% tax on “unearned income” giving a marginal rate of 98%. So just to make sure everybody reading this understands that if you qualified for this band for every £100 you earned you received just TWO POUNDS IN YOUR HAND. I must admit I am surprised that TMBOA has overlooked this little wheeze.
Most of the wealth creators left the country and wouldn’t you if you had to earn over £400 before tax just so your wife could have her hair done at a salon?
Loading tax on any strata of the population only disincentivizes people from working. It’s been proven time and time again to be so but needs to be learnt every generation by people such as you,
Is your tag symptomatic of your personal financial situation perchance?
To describe UKIP as “far right” (i.e., basically Fascist) is totally absurd. Their only “right-wing” policy, if it indeed that, is withdrawal from the EU. In fact, to the best of my knowledge, that is their ONLY policy, or the only one with which they are garnering support. They say nothing about immigration which is a far greater threat to the UK. A “far-right” party, if there was one which there is not, would have a platform of not only stopping non-white immigration but of expelling most of those already in the country. Not even the BNP says that.
Sep 29th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their seems to be but two ways to treat a new and upcoming party,
Sep 29th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 01, treat them with respect, as you would be treated
2, treat them as idiots and clowns and watch them take what you once had, and become what you once was,
For whilst the main parties are showing disrespect, this UKIP is making them look like idiots and clowns.
Just saying like.
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One thing about Farage is, he tells it as it is....
Sep 29th, 2014 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great character.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViPm0GUxw-M
@14
Sep 29th, 2014 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that you have totally underestimated UKIP. Don't sell them short, have a listen to Suzanne Evans, she really knows her stuff, I think you're gonna be shocked next May.
#15
Sep 29th, 2014 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spare me the straw man argument Chris, neither I nor the Labour party are suggesting we invoke such high income tax rates for even the absurdly rich. I believe in reinstating the 50% additional rate (>£150k) and perhaps even a new band for (>£500k) combined with a rescaling of stamp duty (increasing it for the most expensive houses and reducing for mid-level properties, that is those at ~£300k). Either this or legislating against larger wage rises for the highest earners compared to the lowest earners in an organisation/company. I'd also like senior employees (both commercial and civil service) to be even remotely accountable and responsible (c.f. the entire banking crisis) and not be relieved with absurdly large payouts despite basically f**king up big time. None of these are likely to drive “wealth generators” out of the country, indeed many other successful countries have more progressive taxation and better social cohesion than we do.
The 30 year trend of wage disparity increasing is in my opinion a disaster for our society (and directly responsible for the growing welfare budget).
“Is your tag symptomatic of your personal financial situation perchance?”
Spare me the insult/accusation Chris, I'm not another idiot Malvinista like Paul et al. just someone (educated at 2 of the best Universities in the world, where I have also taught) who believe this country is moving in the wrong direction. If you must know, I'm a higher rate tax payer, although I pay the higher rate on
“UK far right party gaining ground into conservative turf”
Sep 29th, 2014 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Far right?? God forbid we should ever call actual racists racist.
Now THAT would be racist!!
I see that mercopress are continuing the the theme that the British press started in that no one in power ( liblabcon ) or anyone who has a voice ( Fleet street ) knows what to do about UKIP.
But that is fine!!! Just fine!!! Call them a “protest vote” call them “Racist” or “irellivent” it doesn't matter. no wonder you don't know what to do about them, 'cos they speak the truth AND they speak for the ordinary British public. The ones that Liblabcon have lied too, ignored and discounted all these years.
Vince Cable called the debate on Membership of the EU between Our Nigel and that little b*tch Nick Clegg an irrelevant debate.
In one sentence, he showed how out of touch he and his party was to the mood and wishes of the voters. So it doesn't matter what tag they try and hang on to UKIP, it won't stop us from voting for them AND voting the big 3 out of power.
14 Monkeymagic
You are wrong. They are keeping the issue in the spotlight. The policy of Liblabcon is to either:- brush it under the carpet or to say “nothing to see here, move along” while they sell this country out to the Communists of Brussels.
As they said in V for Vendetta “People should not be afraid of governments, governments should be afraid of the people”.
@ 20 inthegutter
Sep 29th, 2014 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Spare me the insult/accusation Chris,”
It was a question, that’s all.
You see I know quite a few VERY wealthy people, who like me started with nothing and by educating themselves, working hard and smart moved themselves up the ladder in industry went on to build their own businesses (much bigger than mine).
Two of them are now actively looking at moving away because they know that if a Labour government gets in unchecked they will be crucified by the old green eyes of envy all over again. I moved to Uruguay for three reasons: the health of my wife, to reduce our living costs whilst maintaining our standards of living and that has worked and finally Uruguay and its people. I was sick to death of The Cunt Brown © Jeremy Clarkson 2010 and the wealth reduction he wrought on our finances.
I was surprised that you have the background that you claim given the content of your post. I just wonder if you would be quite so generous with your money should / if Millibund actually gets to be PM.
If you are annoyed or upset with me I apologise, but I do not apologise for my comments about the Labour party and their repetitive antics which have never and will never work. Using wealthy people’s money on the workshy never works: everybody ends up broke: except the Labour “leaders”, just look at “trust me Tony” if you need evidence.
Gentlemen, gentlemen,
Sep 30th, 2014 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0lets not argue over crumbs falling from the table,
or picky bitsy and bits..
One must get of this roundabout before we fall off,
Its been less than 48 months since labour bankrupted us,
It will take the conservatives or others at least 10=15=plus years to dig us out,
We cannot keep doing this stupid dance of change between them every 5 years,
Labour is not giving the government time enough to sort out their mess,
So they want to get back in because austerity hurts,
And it bloody does, before the cons have time to even scratch the surface,
All they do is blame each other, in opposition they rightly complain,
In government they commit suicide and get kicked out again,
They always ignore the people then claim they listen,
[One does not have enough space or time to write it all out]
But in my humble opinion, we either let the cons get on with it,
Or change the political map forever and go for a complete change,
Vote [ UKIP ]
What have you to lose, they can’t do any worse but can do a lot better maybe,
At the very least immigration would be controlled from the EU,
A referendum we will get, and an increase on military spending, and an increase to the NHS,
Have a break—have a kit-kat—have a UKIP.....
come on take a chance, ignore the government that they will do this or that,
REMEMBER-- its not ukip that has got this country in the state it is in,
its not ukip, that has broken promises, part privatised the NHS, nearly bankrupted us, or scrapped and hollowed out our defence, or given billions to overseas aid, and million per day to the EU,
ITS,,,,,,,,,Labour , Conservative and , liberals,
the UKIP have never been in power, or had MPs , so go on , do something ,
but remember if you vote the same old party playing the same old records,
and serving up the same old food, you have only your self to blame,
so stop moaning and don't blame UKIP,
just my humble opinion and not worth much,
but every little helps..
I'm not wrong at all, and you will see next May...If UKIP get 15-20% of the vote...current polls, they will have fewer than 5 MPs and Ed Miliband will be prime Minister.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's the system....good luck with it.
If UKIp get 5-10% they will have zero MPs and David Cameron will be Prime Minister and we will have an in/out vote on the Eu.
A vote for UKIP is a vote for Labour.
7 paulcedron - You are clearly an idiot. If you're speaking in sheer numbers it is obviously the USA and in actual worthy figures. You measure the debt by the GDP. We are not even in the top 10. Japan is the most indebted nation and we are all the way down in 15th.
Sep 30th, 2014 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0#22
Sep 30th, 2014 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If you are annoyed or upset with me I apologise” thanks, it did come across as a personal insult put perhaps I'm just over sensitive being the only left-wing poster here. Some of our Argentinians friends may claim to be socialist but we all know they would like nothing more than to seize and destroy the Falkland Islands community in a fit of nationalism.
“I just wonder if you would be quite so generous with your money should / if Millibund actually gets to be PM.” I'm unlikely, unless I move into management, to qualify for the additional rate (or higher) so its unlikely any Labour tax rises would affect me. I personally think 50% on incomes after £150k is completely acceptable.
I don't believe in simply giving money to those unwilling to work, and neither does the Labour Party. The problem is differentiating between those unwilling, those unable, and those who simply can't find a job. However, I do believe is using general taxation for things for the good of the country like education, defence, scientific research, healthcare, and (even) foreign aid. I believe that taxation should be progressive and levied on those most able to pay and benefit from society. I believe in welfare (unemployment insurance and pensions) and support for families with children (my opinion here is that we should do the best for children irrespective of how feckless their parents are).
#23 Labour actually manage the economy very well, between 1997-2007. Between 1997 - 2007 the economy of the UK grew faster than France or Germany (the two most comparable economies). Unemployment was below France and Germany. Our public debt was less than France and Germany and grew at a smaller rate. In 2008 an external factor sent the world into recession and we were hit hard because of our large financial sector. Without the borrowing the country would likely have collapsed.
It's also worth remembering that income tax did not increase under Labour until 2010 (as a result of the recession).
Ah, comparing pennies, old chap,
Sep 30th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we both know in the past, some government were good, some not so good, and some were near pathetic.
the point in questions is, 2014,
and I think most will agree that we are in a mess,
and we need to get out of this mess pronto,
I think we can all agree on that,
now then, honestly everybody...lol
do you think at this moment in time,
Conservatives or labour or liberal can solve our problems,
do any of these parties have the answer ,
all im saying is perhaps its time to let someone else try,
that's all im saying, if any party out their, be it British or any other foreign party can solve our problems then please step forward,
otherwise we may well be back to square one..
and you cannot put square peg in a round hole.
just a thought.
#27
Oct 01st, 2014 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe, but I certainly don't think UKIP are the people to do it. As I mentioned before their politicians are amateurish, their tax cuts will be unhelpful, and the uncertainty around an EU referendum could cause the economy to stagnate.
I'm also skeptical that leaving the EU would help in anyway at all. Our net contributions to the EU are about ~0.25% of GDP and I think this is small compared to the benefits of membership.
In hindsight I would probably have preferred to see a closer union of the Commonwealth nations as opposed to the EU, at the very least strong inter-Commonwealth institutions (maybe even a Commonwealth Space Agency, though ESA are doing a pretty good job).
@ 28 inthegutter
Oct 01st, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about Brown's little stunt with getting everything he could off the governments books to hide the cost?
Now nobody wants to say just how much of a liability that is going to cost so it must be humungous.
No, too thin by a long way with “Labour actually manage the economy very well, between 1997-2007”! Not from my perspective they didn't.
Before you hand your money to a Labour politician I would rather burn mine: it's the same thing.
A friend of mine more than doubled his already huge wealth by buying gold when Brown decided to sell it. He got it at top price before the market reacted and he put it into LIBOR. He waited a few weeks, the price dropped because all the traders knew it would when the Scottish idiot did the dirty deed, and then using his gold money plus the LIBOR returns managed to buy more than twice the amount of gold he originally held. That was typical of how 'good' Brown was.
My friend BTW was just like me, from a poor family and rose to become one of the Midlands largest car hire companie, ALL from his own efforts.
I think we will have to disagree and leave it at that.
28 the problem is, we could argue and compare all night long,
Oct 01st, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the fact is, both main parties have failed us,
and UKIP deserves a chance,
we need to get out of the EU,
have you not noticed their directives coming down every day,
being told , now not to use hoovers, next will be irons hair dryers tumble dryers,
is this what Britain needs or wants,
both main parties lie over the EU,
We will continue to trade with them, we have been trading with European nations for over a thousand years, ,,why would it stop just because we came out,
we can trade outside in the real world and use the commonwealth to help us grow, surely that's better than what we have,
the main parties say we are just to small and an island,
please tell that to japan , NZ and all the rest of the worlds islands,
its a conn,
but either way my friend,
labour or the conns, the same old story will be reeled out, within 2/3 years the TV and Papers will be demanding the removal of one of them,
things will just go round and round and round and round,
until we are swallowed up by the EU.
but that's just my opinion, and only my opinion.
its up to others to freely vote for whom they think will do better.
thanks..
I hope UKIP get in and get the UK out of Europe!!! the sooner the better!!
Oct 04th, 2014 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
@ 31 a spanisharseholee
Oct 04th, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the UK get out of the EU what will Spain do then for all the money the UK have had to waste on them due to their own stupidity in crashing Spains' economy because there will be no more, nada?
Crap themselves when Catalonia manage to shake free of the dead hand of Madrid and the deadheads Rajoy and Gollum2?
The ONLY money Spain will get from the UK will be from the stupid sods who still holiday there.
Spain should break up into at least 5 new states,
Oct 05th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0giving aussie his own little enclave to call his own..
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