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UK protests incursion of Gibraltar waters by Spanish research vessel

Monday, October 6th 2014 - 18:10 UTC
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The Foreign Office reacted strongly to the 5 October 2014 serious incursion into British Gibraltar Territorial Waters (BGTW) by a Spanish state research vessel. In response to the incident, the Minister for Europe, the Rt Hon David Lidington MP, earlier called Spanish Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs Gonzalo de Benito to express his grave concern. Read full article

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  • Briton

    Spain will do what it wants, when it wants , and to whom it wants ??

    until we stop acting like a lap dog, stop bloody complaining to them, for the thousandth time, AND DO SOMETHING.

    just my uncomplaining thought.

    Oct 06th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @1
    I agree we are too kind to these deadbeat countries, look at all the aid we give worldwide, and what thanks do we get, nada. I think we ought to send some nuclear penquins from the FALKLANDS that will have them shivering in their boots.

    Oct 06th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    With torpedoes in there pants...lolol

    Oct 06th, 2014 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    1 Briton

    I agree. It is time we started Impounding the offending vessels and arresting the crews.

    The news of this and parading of the crews would create such an embarrassment for the Spanish government that it would stop these incursions.

    Talking to them will do nothing. It won't stop anything, not until we take positive action ( or “Dave” grows a pair ). We don't need to kill anyone, just humiliate them on the world stage.

    Oct 06th, 2014 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Catalonia's causing a constitutional crisis.... ooh look Gibraltar!

    Oct 06th, 2014 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    The English have a long tradition of wars and neighbourly skirmishes with the French and Spanish.
    I definitely think it is time to return to 'gunboat diplomacy'. Maybe send a few naval artillery shells into Cadiz.
    Warm them up a bit. Actually sink a boat or five.
    Enough is enough!

    Oct 06th, 2014 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    You all react how Madrid hopes you will!

    The British government treats it like the sign of impotence that it is.

    Oct 06th, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EscoSes 45 Doido

    As suggested a few posts above, the Government are filling their drawers, and looking to create distraction from the Catalonian buisness.

    Transparent as fkuc

    Oct 06th, 2014 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Gibraltar, another English masterpiece.
    Wherever they set their paws they cause problems.
    Gibraltar belongs to Spain.

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    Agreed Anglotino. They're not just doing this to distract their own people but as a shot across the bows of the British i.e. “Don't get involved in Catalonia”. Giving the Catalans public support, or at least warning the Spanish through diplomatic channels that that is what we are about to do would be a much more potent response. I do agree with the others above though that doing nothing at all has merely encouraged the Spanish - but clearly we need to play our own long game and not get involved in unseemly squabbling in Gibraltar waters as the Spanish would like. And get the ambassador in again, they seemed to enjoy that last time.

    @9 No it doesn't Marcos. It belongs to the people who live there.

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • US Air Force

    Well there you have it warmongers, I believe the Spaniards twice now have tossed the gauntlet at you and what?? and you may now have a fish a little to big to handle....Do you people actually expect your idiotic shenanigans via self determination to hold water. Gibraltar pertenece a Espana y las Malvinas seran de Argentina - siempre.

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    @11
    ”You may now have a fish a little to (sic) big to handle...”
    The only big fish the Spanish handle are fished from our waters - which takes me to the EU. The real reason that Cameron will keep a lid on this is that he will need support for his attempt to fix the madder aspects of the EU. That is a far bigger challenge than dealing with Spanish nationalists acting childishly in Gibraltarian waters. And if self-determination doesn't count then wouldn't Spain and Argentina be off to the ICJ in a flash? That they never have and never will says all you need to know. Your last sentence wasn't in English and so I'm guessing you aren't really an American - I think we all knew that already.

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #11

    Between our capture of Gibraltar and today virtually every country in the world has seized territory. Should it all be “returned”? I dare you to answer me.

    If the answer is no, then clearly you are a hypocrite - why should Gibraltar be singled out, after all, the current inhabitants desire to maintain their current relationship with the UK. If yes, then you are a fool. Why stop at 300 years?

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    11- We are waiting for your answer - if you have the guts to answer of course? Add to it please - WHEN would you propose that all the people in Argentina of Spanish descent should leave and go back to Spain and return Argentina to its rightfull owners?
    And if you really do live in USA - then WHEN are you going to move out and return USA to its rightfull owners?

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Yes, impoundment in the old naval harbour - where it can be clearly seen by the Spanish - then the opening of the sea-cocks by persons unknown.
    Then serious bluster by the Governor that the Spanish are littering the bed of the Naval harbour
    The French did it with the Greenpeace vessel in New Zealand.

    These vessels can then be lifted offshore to the line of demarkation to become the base of a new reef.
    Fishing boats, government vessels, contraband cigarette runners, illegal immigrants boats - all welcome in the creation of the 'Spanish Reef'.
    As a permanent reminder, it will be on all the maps.

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    “Well there you have it warmongers, I believe the Spaniards twice now have tossed the gauntlet at you and what??”

    Yup! Nothing

    Why would the UK do anything against these pathetic displays of impotence?

    The UK does what a stable, mature country that doesn't have anything to prove does, it responds diplomatically.

    Gibraltar is British. The UK doesn't need to do anything. They already won.

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @7. Afraid I disagree. But then you're surrounded by loads of seas and oceans. You also have loads of land. Even so, what do you do with your illegals? You ship them out. The ones that haven't drowned. As a matter of interest, what happens if Indonesia lays claim to Christmas Island? After all, 80% of the population is either Chinese or Malay. So don't tell us what to do about a small peninsula in a little bay in the south of Europe. It BELONGS to us. The people of Gibraltar like it that way!
    @9. Captured and ceded. As it happens, Gibraltar is more prosperous than Andalucia.
    @10. I keep thinking about a line of anchored buoys along the marine boundary line linked by chains specially designed to cut into the hulls of vessels and rip off their propellors and rudders. Probably need several specially-constructed chains between each buoy. Do you think a line of remote-controlled explosive charges on the seabed would be too much?
    @11. Sorry to disappoint but we've beaten the spanish many times. Gosh, even you yanks managed to beat them. Eventually. Remember February/March 1836? Although they were calling themselves Mexican by then.
    @16. Unfortunately, these spanish vessels are a 'clear and present danger'. High-speed launches, speedboats that endanger swimmers. Smuggling boats. As we have seen, dangers to Royal Navy vessels. In fact, in an article elsewhere, it was mentioned that this so-called 'research' vessel was throwing 'probes' over its side and one actually landed in a Royal Navy RHIB endangering the crew. Perhaps a nice LARGE Royal Navy vessel. One that has had its bow reinforced so that it can cut straight through the hull of anything it encounters. Then a little bit of 'misdirection'. “I am altering course to starboard. Oops, sorry, always get port and starboard confused. Still, you shouldn't have been there, should you”?

    Wonder if Rapier anti-aircraft missiles can be programmed to miss? Just!

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    so the uk “protests”...lol.
    and who the f*ck cares?
    in a pair of weeks we will read a declaration of the e.u, the u.n., etc that it was perfectly legal.

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    The UK´s eigth largest export market is Spain which is worth around 15 billion pounds. This equates to more British exports than those of that went to China and India combined!!!!
    Actually The British government is putting on a British festival to increase these
    exports to Spain.The festival will be all over Spain starting 17th October.
    www.gov.uk/news/britain-is-great-festival-launches-on-17th-october.
    I believe Great Britain is more interested in the 15 billion export market to Spain than the 30.000 Gibraltans, eventhough it has to stand up to Spain every now and then.........money makes money.

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EscoSes 45 Doido

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/thieves-attackers-and-delinquents-scotland-welcomes-gibraltars-menace.25526942

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    @9 Marcos - explain why Gibraltar belongs to Spain as I find your remarks puzzling?

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • US Air Force

    11- The vast majority of the Americas as does the Hawaiin Islands do belong to peoples that were cheated out of their historical lands. In the case of South America, the natives' bloodlines were bred into the Spanish and Portuguese. The North Americans placed them on reservations that exist to this day, but here lies the difference.....Last time I checked not one single North or South American Indian or Hawaiin native has raised an Army or Navy on the world stage to contest the occupiers. Argentina and especially Spain can and will raise those sticks and eventually make them bigger and stop walking quietly.
    17- managed to slap the English around twice and yet here we are! Bailing you out- yet again. Would you English please manage not to get overrun by the Muslims-

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #22

    I assume your comment was directed back at me and not yourself?

    Your comment is however non-sensical and reaches no conclusion. Are you saying that the US and other American nations should disestablish themselves in favour of “indigenous rule” if that is what the indigenous/native inhabitants want? I'm pretty sure given the option they would gladly take back their continent.

    Thinking further, should Argentina (which is where I assume you're actually from) give back the land it stole from Paraguay? Should the US give back the land it stole from Mexico?

    In the 21st century the principle of self-determination is paramount (as enshrined in the UN charter), with some limited respect for territorial integrity. Anything else would simply be impossible to implement and ultimately unfair. I remain staggered that you people can't see this.

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    9 Marcos Alejandro (#)
    “”“”Gibraltar belongs to Spain.“””

    And sure as shit Argentina dont belong to the squatters currently there...

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    11 US Air Force (#)
    Well there you have it warmongers, I believe the Spaniards twice now have tossed the gauntlet at you and what??

    lololol

    just re-read that sentence to spot the obvious flaw in the argument.

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    My solution is to charter a sea going tug and station it in Gibraltar's waters.
    Any incursions by Spanish vessels could be met with the tug pushing the vessel back into Spanish waters. No need for violence.

    As to your fixation with Muslims, look at what is coming your way gatestoneinstitute.org/4183/muslim-right-of-return-spain

    You kicked them out of their homes now they want to come back !
    Only 13 Km. from your shores and coming to a neighbourhood near you. Enjoy!!!!

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EscoSes 45 Doido

    Lord Thomas Cochrane would never have stood for it from these Spaniards!

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    GIBRALTER CRISIS:
    Now the navy is sent in [only little ships]
    As Spanish boat refuses to leave [what it insists is Spanish waters ]
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/519426/Gibraltar-crisis-as-Britsh-Royal-Navy-warships-clash-with-Spanish-research-vessel

    Spain a modern democracy, EU and NATO partner
    Or a joke 3rd world banana republic, it seems that rajoy and his cronies prefer the later.
    ,
    UK Ambassador on unprecedented visit as tensions rise ahead of UN
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/519426/Gibraltar-crisis-as-Britsh-Royal-Navy-warships-clash-with-Spanish-research-vessel
    Again the British government replies in kind,
    legally it does not affect our sovereignty.
    [- does this mean that until Spain causes the deaths of perhaps hundreds of people , ce can legally do nothing.]

    as for you silly argies who merely reply to show your hatred for us,
    is seems ok for you to moan at us, but reversible, two faced or what,

    the Americans , china Russia France or even bloody Spain would not let a foreign power enter its territorial waters ,
    sooner or later Spain will cause the deaths of possibly hundreds of innocent people, [if it forces a civilian airline to crash, ]

    who then will take the blame,
    Spain for causing it,
    or the British for allowing it.

    regardless of the consequences the government should inform the Spanish that anymore incursions, and we will no longer be friends, and we reserve the right to either sink the ship, or withdraw funding for Spain, and slap a tax on all British holiday makers to Spain of £1,000 pounds,
    the withdrawal of all future military contracts with Spain,

    and the break of , of diplomatic relations until they grow up
    and stop acting like a child who throws its dummy out of its pram.

    just my opinion..

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    “in a pair of weeks we will read a declaration of the e.u, the u.n., etc that it was perfectly legal”

    Will we Paul?

    I will remind you of this in 14 days.

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    *25 YEAH!! 13 KM and Gibraltar 12km!! LOL LOL LOL LOL

    Oct 07th, 2014 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #29
    I am afraid you will have to explain your remark or will I interpret it for the terminally stupid ? Your English leaves a lot to be desired,
    The North African Muslims want to come back to Spain.
    Gibraltar being independent from Spain is not included in this.
    I was incorrect in my measurements.
    The nearest point is about 16 Km. from Spain to Morocco.
    The nearest point from Gib. to Morocco is 22 Km.
    Your figure of“ Gibraltar 12km” refers to what ?

    Oct 08th, 2014 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    His IQ.

    Oct 08th, 2014 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #29 #30

    Technically Spain and Morocco share a border right?

    Though even without those mainland Spain is undoubtedly closer to Morocco than Gibraltar.

    Oct 08th, 2014 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    ha ha , these argie/Spanish trolls are so uppity and silly tarts.

    Oct 08th, 2014 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    *30 make sure the muslims do not invade the UK first!! 500 ISS fighters including that
    devil who is beheading hostages was originally from the UK!! keep an eye on
    your back door.These bastards striked in 2007 and they are willing to do it
    again. The same goes to Spain....

    Oct 08th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    inthegutter (#32)
    'Though even without those mainland Spain is undoubtedly closer to Morocco than Gibraltar.'

    Funny, I always thought
    (i) there was sea between Spain and Morocco
    (ii) that Gibraltar and Spain were linked by land.

    Oct 08th, 2014 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #35
    Except that Melilla and Ceuta, which share a land border with Morocco, while not part of the Iberian peninsula, are part of Kingdom of Spain.

    Isn't this right?

    Oct 08th, 2014 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    it is easy, british territories and british waters are in ...britain.
    nothing else.
    i know britain is a sh*tty place with sh*tty weather and stuff, but that is what you have.
    hold still in those swampy islands and do not break the balls to the other countries.
    got it?

    Oct 08th, 2014 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #37

    “it is easy, british territories and british waters are in ...britain.
    nothing else.”

    So territories have to be connected and neatly arranged into geographical units to be valid in your mind? Good luck with that definition.

    “i know britain is a sh*tty place with sh*tty weather and stuff, but that is what you have. hold still in those swampy islands and do not break the balls to the other countries. got it?”

    Ah... the sound of jealousy.

    Oct 08th, 2014 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #34
    Thank you for that piece of news just off the press however, that is nothing to do with the fact that you could be welcoming millions of N.African Muslims into YOUR country. There are some rather nasty fundamentalists in Algeria just a short boat trip from Spain.....only a 150 Km.sail.
    #37
    Don't worry, we will do our best to ensure you never set foot in the place.
    You are welcome to your own turgid dung heap..enjoy it
    .british waters are......exactly what we say they are and include Gibraltar and the Falklands, S. Georgia and others.

    It must be galling to you to admit that you are powerless to do anything about it except the good old Argie whine !

    Oct 08th, 2014 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Spain may well be the landing point of these roaming Muslims,

    good luck to that...lol

    Oct 08th, 2014 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @37
    Ha ha, Neo nationalist niño is ordering everyone about again.

    Frustrated little shit, isn't he!!

    :-D

    Oct 13th, 2014 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    NOT AGAIN!! CAN´T BELIEVE IT!! UEFA RESULTS.
    IRELAND 7------------------------- GIBRALTAR 0

    Oct 13th, 2014 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pico_Humboldt

    I don't understand the connection between a football game in Republic of Ireland, and Spanish people wanting to steal Gibraltar. Somebody please tell me how it work?
    thank you

    Oct 13th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    *43 and I don´t understand how the people of Spain would want to STEAL something that belongs to them.Stealing was done by the Brits who stole it from Spain...but going back to football you have to agree that a colony who has been crying to be let into the UEFA the last 60 years comes out with this results....ummmmm

    Oct 13th, 2014 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    44 ASS

    you just dredge up old propaganda, nothing else.

    Gibraltar has been British for hundreds of years and they wish to remain so.

    Bringing football into it changes nothing, and has nothing to do with sovereignty or the political situation.

    If you are desperate to salvage some of your Iberian pride, do it someplace else. It's a lost cause for you here.

    Oct 13th, 2014 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pico_Humboldt

    *44
    But you CAN´T BELIEVE IT!! but it is fact. ???? It was on the News and on the Official UEFA website? It is fact. Also Gibratar is not colony Gibraltar is a British Overseas Territory. I checked this. This is fact also It is different thing from colony.
    I think the Tempest guy is right when he say

    Bringing football into it changes nothing, and has nothing to do with sovereignty or the political situation.

    Why you talk about football? Football playes are not politic or militares.
    Bizarro! uff!

    Oct 13th, 2014 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • US Air Force

    There is this pattern of British genocide....displace local population, fill it with British Settlers and then call it self determination. Too much for that mush between your ears.

    Oct 13th, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #47
    US Airforce ? I gave you an easy opt out but you couldn't take it because you would have revealed what you are. Argie Troll through and through.
    Stop kidding yourself.. What genocide in Gibraltar ?
    Typical nostrils comment.
    Do you have a series of scriptwriters ?

    Oct 13th, 2014 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    47 A Farce

    and if you meant the Falklands, sorrrryyy...

    no indigenous population there, nobody to be displaced, nobody was killed, settlers were of many cultures, nationalities, and more than one race.

    The only murdering or displacing was carried out by UP soldiers murdering their Commander. They were charged as criminals for that by The UP States.

    Later, a great “Argentine hero”, Snr. Rivero, murdered several of his civilian fellow homesteaders, through malice, greed, or dementia.

    You learned about him in school and celebrate him to this very day.

    Brave brave Nationalists!!

    Oct 14th, 2014 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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