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Number of homicides in Argentina again on the rise, indicate Healthcare stats
The number of homicides per year in Argentina dropped from a peak of 4.630 back in 2002, but this did not impede that in the following decade that figure totaled, 31.992, according to official stats from the country's Healthcare ministry. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt's the Economy, stupid! (to quote ol' slick Willy Clinton).
Oct 20th, 2014 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Number of murders in the UK in 2012/13 was 662
Oct 20th, 2014 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Number of murders in Argentina in 2012 was 2888
The Argentinian posters are always telling us what a murderous society Britain is.
The statistics would seem to show something different.
Direct correlation with the Economy there. Ever heard of the 'parallel Pound' or the 'Blue Sterling'?
Oct 20th, 2014 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nah, thought not.
Sounds like these teenagers do not have much faith in the government's economic policy, nor much confidence or hope of a brighter future.
Another symptom of Kirchner sickness. A nihilistic youth.
Time to leave the stage Chrissie. .. you are ultimately responsible for these deaths.
While the Argentine stats aren't good I'd hate to be Honduran!
Oct 20th, 2014 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't want to be in Venezuela right now either then. Approx 25000 violent deaths last year. ..
Oct 20th, 2014 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0... oddly enough they have four different exchange rates now.
My observations stand up.
If I remember correctly they changed the definition of homicide a few years ago, that rate doesn't include anyone murdered by a relative, spouse or lover those are classified as crimes of the heart or some such nonsense. They also left out some other classifications but I can remember what they are right now.
Oct 20th, 2014 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its easy to lower a stat when you change the definition.
Polispeak
Be careful.
“Murder rate increasing amid epidemic of knife and gun crime
Oct 20th, 2014 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The murder rate has risen in England and Wales in the past year, crime figures are expected to show next week.”
“The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.”
so england is the 1st in the league of shame, huh?
at last you lot are the 1st in something.
7. Your UK envy and bitterness makes you post some really stupid things.
Oct 20th, 2014 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you see Rg construction material is up 52% yoy?
Have you started washing cars yet?
@ 7 POLLY
Oct 20th, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you not read Clyde15 @ 2 above?
And this is with your population less than 2/3 rds of the UK, so the real comparative number for TDC is 4,332.
Enough said, the numbers speak for themselves.
9. When have low intelligence Rgs ever let facts get in the way of their posts?
Oct 20th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The list of violent crime in the UK includes common assault.
Oct 20th, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While all assaults are unpleasant, common assault includes a credible threat of violence that wasn't carried out, spitting at someone and hitting or pushing someone without leaving an injury or mark. Affray can include violent disputes between 2 people in a public place, even if neither party is injured. Many more minor crimes have been recorded since the practice of issuing police cautions have been introduced. If an accused person admits to a minor crime then they receive a police caution. The crime is recorded and goes into the crime stats but the case never goes to court unless the person commits another crime within a year when they are prosecuted for the new crime and the old caution.
Large elements of the violent crime statistics in the UK would not even be reported or recorded as crimes in other countries.
The League of Shame
Oct 20th, 2014 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Country Number of violent Crimes Rate per 100,000 residents
1. Britain 1,158, 957 2,034
Enough said, the numbers speak for themselves.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz2HZzk8up9
Paul,
Oct 20th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have looked at your evidence from the Daily Mail stats., during the 13 year Labour government, and compiled in 2009.
I hope you know that 'homicide' is different from 'violent crime'.
My wife hit me once - this was a violent crime, but she did not kill me (that's why I can write to you now.).
The trending homicide figure in developed countries is down;
in under-developed countries like Argentina, the trend is up.
We should not be surprised by this, I think.
I have to believe those are cherry picked numbers seeing that Canada is in the top 10. Canada has to be one of the most docile country in the western free world.
Oct 20th, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now I thought we were talking about Homicide? the UK is number 13 in that chart and it is only europe, not the world.
Oct 20th, 2014 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You might want to read this UN report on the most violent countries in the world http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/latin-america-worlds-most-violent-region-un
Paulie would never let the truth get in the way of a chance to bash the Brits.
Oct 20th, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, how he longs to be one! Such unrequited love must be torture to his soul.
Meanwhile, does anyone else think that a messed-up economy leads to higher crime rates?
@7. How unfortunate for you. The most prolific murdering country in Europe is Russia. Specifically, 13,120 in 2012. In Europe, Ukraine, France and Germany come next. Worldwide, Brazil is the worst. South Africa is 6th. Then Venezuela. Then the US. Argieland comes in at 35th. The UK is 76th.
Oct 20th, 2014 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12. That article is 5 YEARS old. Why don't you research the figures for 1066 AD? There would have been tens of thousands of intentional homicides that year. Try the years 1939-45. Your nazi pals were trying to murder everyone!
Here again the keyboard warriors are cheering to what they believe as bad news for Argentina. Come on, say it! Did you take the time to read beyond the second paragraph?
Oct 20th, 2014 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Although Argentina's rate of homicides is relatively low and on average one of the best in the region...”
No sir! Headline tells more than nuff!
@ 18 Enrique Massot
Oct 20th, 2014 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But TDC has STOPPED providing the numbers, dimwit.
Its more fun to talk about meat going up 60% yoy.
Oct 20th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The days of 2 digit inflation are quickly coming to an end.
I love watching this train wreck...
Why has Argentina stopped reporting the figures?
Oct 20th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But criminologists say crime figures can be affected by many factors, including different criminal justice systems and differences in how crime is reported and measured.
Oct 20th, 2014 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured.
There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007
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“In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured.”
Oct 20th, 2014 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why are you lot so naive and brainwashed?
it reminds me when they say there are no poor people in britain cause they have another system to measure poverty and blablabla.
the fact is that britain is one of the most violent countries in the world and that includes murder.
and the fact is that they have the biggest number of people living under the poverty threshold in europe
add to that their inefficient healthcare system and their high IMR and you have the ONLY west european country that belongs to the third (3rd) world.
welcome to the 3rd world, britontos.
The number of homicides in Argentina is consistently under-reported by at least 1100/year, or about 20-25%; because of the large number of cases that the police record as “death by unknown intentionally external aggression”;, which are not even recorded as homicides. This is most likely done simply to mislead the public; and it is a travesty, particularly for the young people, whom are overwhelmingly the victims that are unceremoniously dumped into this statistical wasteland.
Oct 20th, 2014 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Canada, for instance, ALL murder, manslaughter and infanticide is included in their “homicide” total; which is now less than a third of that of Argentina, even with their skewed statistics (and the fact that every third household in Canada owns a gun).
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1629153-cada-dia-dos-personas-de-entre-15-y-29-anos-son-asesinadas-en-la-argentina
#23
Oct 20th, 2014 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must live in a different country from the one of which you speak.
Good God,I am terrified to go out for all the dead bodies lying unattended in the streets and murders happening at every street corner...or is that Argentina?
We are poorer than Bulgaria, Romania, Spain,Poland etc? Why are they beating down our doors to get into the UK if it is such a shitty place. It must be better than the place they live..
Our healthcare system is not as good as Argentina's ? You could do with getting care in one of our hospitals for the mentally unstable as there is obviously something wrong with your mental state.
If we are “3d world” then Argentina will have to improve drastically to even qualify for a 10th world status... somewhere about Somalia or Yemen.
@24
Oct 20th, 2014 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My apologies.
Should have read (homicide rate) ”which is now less than a fifth (1/5th) of that of Argentina”.
@23 would you be kind enough to provide proof that the UK has the highest rate of poverty in Europe?
Oct 20th, 2014 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27 I am still waiting for the fool to respond to this;
Oct 20th, 2014 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2014/10/18/fallon-visits-gibraltar-and-reaffirms-uk-support-to-deal-with-unlawful-spanish-incursions#comment359883
Dear oh dear!
Paulie do you really, really believe that the UK is a Third World Country?
Do you honestly think that is true?
If you don't believe it, why say it and look foolish. And a liar.
If you do believe it, please provide me with some peer-reviewed evidence. Evidence that is strong enough to convince the other 7 billion+ people on the planet that they are wrong.
Come on, the world awaits your revelation. Or your abject apology for being a twat.
Polly paul-carrion has never let the facts stand in the way of insulting anything British. Shame he can'y back it up. Just a La Campora parrot.
Just give him a doggy-biscuit and move on.
Clyde and you other guys,
Oct 20th, 2014 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul is a known troll. His greatest delight is poke the tiger with the pointy stick - which is fine if you're the other side of the bars. That's the privilige that the internet gives him.
Just humour him - or point out his shortcomings with a bit of humour.
@29 Geoff
Oct 20th, 2014 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, I notice from reading his previous posts that there's nothing of any relevance to be found; nothing even remotely insightful. I'd probably get keyboard cramp trying to point out all his mistakes. Best to just ignore such banal, nonsensical spewings from the cheap seats. I've also sadly noticed that the quality of the trolls on here leaves much to be desired, and as such offers very little of a challenge. Might have to proceed elsewhere.
18 Enrique Massot
Oct 20th, 2014 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please explain why your Socialist Paradise Government is refusing to provide Crime Figures, or allow the IMF access to its Books.
Aside from a good taste in in gentlemen's hats and an appealing visage, what else do you have to offer?
Not just more socialist clap-trap I hope?
@29 paul-carrion is a ridiculous fool, and generally, roundly, ridiculed here.
imbeciles various
Oct 21st, 2014 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0it seems you are very concerned about the posts and the posters of this 4th class site.
i know it is not easy in the stinky islets, but get a life, you losers.
@31 ilsen
Oct 21st, 2014 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's ironic and pathetic (and kind of hilarious) when they go ahead and prove your point for you (eg @32), almost instantly, yet they continue to lack the intellectual capacity to realize they've done it.
Like I said, time to go in search of better trolls. Maybe you guys could hire one? :)
Yup!
Oct 21st, 2014 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
More Int'l airlines are restricting ticket purchases, it won't be long before they limit their flights to the very minimum needed to keep their slots.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like Rgs are going to be trapped in that miserable country.
:)
Paulie, below is an example of the difference between the UK stats and Argentina Stats, if you can film yourself committing an armed robbery and not be arrested for it, then one assumes your crime stats may be a little out of kilter.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enjoy the read
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/172640/la-boca-motorcycle-thief-arrested-for-resisting-the-authorities
Gastón Aguirre, who found fame online and on local TV last month after he attempted to rob at gunpoint a Canadian tourist in La Boca while being filmed, has finally been arrested but not for anything related to robbery, he was accused of “resisting the authorities.”
Buzz oh he was arrested for the filmed armed robbery. However he was let go because it was a violation of his human rights to earn a living.....albeit robbing. Go fucking figure that one out. Argentina also claims tax evasion is a human rights crime. These SA clowns claim everything is a Human Rights crime.....soon no one will pay attention to the UN Human Rights Commission.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Soon? Does anyone pay any attention to anything that comes out of the UN?
Oct 21st, 2014 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wish we'd stop funding it.
Point taken. However that will not happen anytime soon be it Democrat or Republican. The old saying a close enemy is a watched enemy. We prefer to have these establishments in the USA........however when we issue Visas we really need to restrict some down to a 2 block radius. Especially now that Venezuela and Chubby Chavo whoring daughter will be treking to the UN.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 036 boozly
Oct 21st, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and who is saying that argentina is a secure place?
insecurity is part of the policies of kirchner.
otherwise it would have been impossible that she has defended the barras bravas and stuff.
the difference, as always, is how brainwashed you lot are.
you cannot recognize your own errors, guess you will never be capable of fix them.
the difference, as always, is how brainwashed you lot are.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you cannot recognize your own errors,
boy, you argies very rarely tell the truth,
but in this case. those words apply to you and your fellow indocronoughts.
@40 No one is saying that Paulie, it is merely to point out that one countries reporting of crimes will vary to an others, so you can't compare apples with oranges. So stats can be mis-interpreted. The Uk knows it has a problem with violent crime, but it would seem strange that the UK is 13 or 14 in the homicide ranking in Europe according to your link, yet 1st in violent crime. To me that suggests the criteria for what constitutes a reportable 'violent crime', may differ from country to country.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting you call 'us lot ' brainwashed and incapable of recognising and fixing our errors, just take a look at yourself in the mirror, look at your government and then your governments over the last half century , and you think we have an issue!
Ever see anyone steal an ambulance and kill a heart attack victim in the process? Maybe this was the motochorro who robbed the Canadian last month and was set free because it violated his human right to steal.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/172722/motochorros-steal-ambulance-patient-dies-
In the meantime, more is being done to stop money traders:
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/172722/motochorros-steal-ambulance-patient-dies-
Another hallmark from the Kirchner era ...
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like never before, crimes and criminals have being systematically justified/explained/tolerated by kirchnerite supporters, as well as by those scumbags self-called `human rights activists´.
Decent, law abiding people live behind bars. Criminals are on the loose.
For years, both the gov and its supporters have being calling names such as`fascist´ to anyone claiming our laws to be enforced.
They make me sick.
I was just watching the news on televue.........carjackings in broad daylight........home invasions and kidnappings. It's getting nasty there.
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