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Why Falklands are not extended the right to self determination: “shame on G24”
Since 1961 the UN Committee of 24 has brought almost 750 million people out of a colonial status, based on their right of self-determination, but “what a shame it won’t extend this same right to another 2,500 people of the Falkland Islands”, said US born Luke Coffey, member of the Heritage Foundation and one time advisor to the UK Defense ministry. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“blablabla... because they have chosen to decide collectively how and by whom they wish to be governed, is self determination...blablabla”
Oct 21st, 2014 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse -1of course they can decide how and by whom they wish to be governed.
and of course they can decide if they want to be english wannabes, 4th class plebs or whatever.
who cares about that?
the thing is the lands they are squatting are not their property.
hence, they cannot determine anything unilaterally.
wonder what this twat would think about “the free will of men and women”, if those men and women were occupying his house.
The land that they live on has been British since 1765. Argentina did not exist in 1765 and inherited nothing from Spain.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 05:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0This matter has been settled since Argentine chose 'trial by combat' in 1982.
Live with it.
I just google their name
Oct 21st, 2014 - 05:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A Heritage of Shame: The Heritage Foundation's Economic Analysis of the Waxman-Markey Bill”
“Hispanic Caucus rips Heritage immigration study as ‘ugly racism'
Heritage Foundation
”The best-known and most influential right-wing think tank, the Heritage Foundation owes much of its success to savvy marketing and PR and the generous donations of right-wing benefactors, foundations and wealthy corporations. The foundation boasts about its influence on Capitol Hill yet insists that it does not “lobby.”
Next time around the English in Malvinas should pay someone nicer.
Lucas Coffey,
Oct 21st, 2014 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0A well researched, logical, and well written assessment of the status of the Falkland Islands and their right to Self Determination.
Nino Ced Drone,
“bla bla bla... ”
@1
Oct 21st, 2014 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you had a house and someone came along and wanting to claim it, would you think that fair? No thought not.
but he would not be able to afford a house, this is the problem.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0When you are trying to deal with fools, they expect you to act at their level.
However, no need to resort to burning tyres and killing your own people, we shall leave that to the muppets
I find it bizarre that this is still a dispute in the 21st century.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0France has occupied an overseas collectivity (territory) off the coast of Canada (British North America at the time) since 1816; and it has made us both better peoples. Saint Pierre and Miquelon is but 25 km off our coast, and has only 6,000 inhabitants. We honour, celebrate and enjoy the diversity. We are nothing short of the very best of friends.
SP&M changed hands on numerous occasions during old world disputes, but the French have been there for almost two hundred years now and we both have better things to pursue, such as life and happiness..
Whether Argentina ever had any legitimate case for sovereignty or not has become irrelevant; any modern righteousness on their part was extinguished in 1982 by the invasion. End-of. Full-stop.
It's time to set aside the machismo, grow-up and move on. It has morphed into sad, pathetic tin-pot jingoism at this point.
#1
Oct 21st, 2014 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hypocrite. The Islanders have peacefully occupied the islands much longer than your nation has occupied Patagonia and that big chunk of Paraguay you stole.
While the claim that the British stole the islands is dubious at best it is undeniable that Argentina stole (through acts of war and violence) Patagonia and a huge tract of Paraguay.
Don't worry, I don't expect a reply, you're too much of a coward.
“And I thought it was curious that we just heard Professor Kohen speak for 30 minutes about the Falkland Islands and he did not once mention the 1982 war.”
Oct 21st, 2014 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I bet he didn't. Mercopress, please can we have a similar article on Prof Kohen's contribution?
Coffey, I think overstates the case regarding US 'support' of Argentina. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not ware of any case where America has called specifically for negotiations about sovereignity. It sounds almost as if he has fallen for the rather threadbare Argentine trick of presenting support for dialogue, peaceful settlement and other motherhood and apple pie statements that nobody could possibly object to, as support for Argentina's claim.
In any event, America has nothing to gain by supporting the British position, and it's not as if the UK needs that support, what with the terrifying Death Star we have down there, with 1500 blokes and 4 aeroplanes, before which an entire continent trembles.
@1:
Oct 21st, 2014 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the thing is the lands they are squatting are not their property.”
The land may not be theirs per se, but they are there with the blessing of the rightful holders of sovereignty, Britain. As such, referring to their living there as “squatting” is a lie. You really need to stop lying.
On self-determination: It is undisputable that the legitimate inhabitants of the Falkland Islands have the right to self-determination. The C24 decolonisation committee has the duty to acknowledge this and remove them from the NSGT list. Nothing more.
If they refuse to perform their sole duty and try to push for talks with the would-be usurpers from Argentina, then Britain can, should and indeed *must* remove the Falklands from the list themselves.
Only fair, only right.
Paulcedron
Oct 21st, 2014 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly, for you, the land that the Falkland Islanders are living on, IS their property.
Historically, the islands have had communities from France, Spain and the UK but never Argentina (save six weeks in 1832) so, sorry cretin....no luck there...no Argentine claim.
Now, about Patagonia...when are you giving that up?
@1 paulcedron. If you have 'squatters' on your land then you take. The matter to court. Since the world court system has existed since 1922 and Argentina has done nothing but whinge means that she ha no case and has acquiesced to British possession. International law through numerous ICJ judgments and Opinions also means that it is solely up to the Islanders to determine their own future status. The ILC has also determined that self-determination is jus cogens 'compelling law'. Have you got anything constructive to say?
Oct 21st, 2014 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is a Very Long article on a very simple Request.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Freedom of a people; for individuals, not robotic politics.
All Argentines except the few remaining South Americans are Europeans who before and after independence stole the land from the South Americans and they civilized them “by the cross or by the sword” as in the seizure of the Chilean Patagonia region by Argentina. What is more 60% of Argentines came the 8000 miles from Europe after World War I so the majority of Argentines have been in South America less than the Falklanders who should have more rights. Argentina's claim was invented by Peron to take over British interests and possessions if the UK lost World War II, unfortunately for Peron it didn't work out and so on the last day of World War II Argentina declared war on Germany and stole from them much less. This issue had been accepted by Argentina as being resolved by the 1850 treaty.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 You're an ignorant, uneducated fool. Argieland is NOTHING. On the basis of current international law, argies are occupying a territory that doesn't belong to them. That's right, it's illegal to acquire a territory by invasion and conquest. Get out!
Oct 21st, 2014 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7. Just a minor correction. 1982 did settle the matter, but not the invasion. It was the victory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis
@8. Again a small correction. Your remarks should apply to the whole of argieland. Legally, argieland was only relinquished by Spain in 1858. Until then it remained a rebel colony.
Thanks Mr Coffey.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well done too on pointing out their reluctance to mention the 1982 illegal invasion of the islands. In which all those died.
@1 paulcedron,
Oct 21st, 2014 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a nincompoop.
A complete & utter waste of time & space,
ln fact you are an oxygen thief.
Just shut it.
ldiota
Excellent article by Luke Coffey.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for POLLY (@1), come on guys, we know he's a Brit wanabe and desperate to get out of the cesspit that TDC has become: wouldn't you?
Regarding the illegal invasion in 1982. The cowards did not own the islands; they occupied them, you could even say possessed them, for a few weeks until the Bailiffs, in the form of the UK Military, came along and kicked their arses back to the cesspit. What they attempted and failed at, does of course remove any prior claim TDC may think it had before the ‘war’.
That is all that can be said on the matter: nothing about the murdering, rapist cowhand, all the paper in the world that the argies write claiming the Falklands being theirs, none of the crap about the whole world supports them, the birds flying from TDC to the Islands by TMBOA (FFS!) counts at all. NONE.
And THAT guys, is what sticks in the craw of these cretins.
#7 Unfortunately it only works in free democratic countries. You are absolutely right. Sadly, in SA, it all about “look what I did”.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcelo Kohen says he has asked Mercopress to publish his presentation. Is that true Mercopress?
Oct 21st, 2014 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cough Witlam? Talk about proving you ain't an Aussie.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about Gough Whitlam?
No Australian leader died today. Just an ex-Prime Minster who was sacked.
Anyway, back to the demolition job that was done on Argentina today.
All the Falklanders need is to be forgotten, to be left in peace.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0**22 - no Australian leader died today-
Oct 21st, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor and sad words for one who considers himself an Australian when
all Australian flags are at half mast and respect is shown to a great
Australian in Parliament by ALL LEADERS. (EXCEPT YOU...FOOL)
HOW DARE YOU CALL YOURSELF AUSTRALIAN!!!!
I read every single word of the speech. I wonder if paulcedron did? or could?
Oct 21st, 2014 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An excellent, well-researched arguement. A great speech.
Paulcedron- Could you list please all the nations that have formally stated in public or in writing that the Islands ARE Argentine lands and should be returned to Argentina even against the wishes of the people who have lived there for 8-9 generations?
Oct 21st, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please name and list them.
Do not list the countries who have merely said they support Argentina,s wish to have negotiations. That is just meaningless political words as you and I both know.
isolda
Oct 21st, 2014 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why are you so nervous and aggressive?
i told you before, get a boyfriend, girl.
*26 Argentina rallied support in the RIO GROUP AND CARICOM CONFERENCE in Cancun, Mexico.2010. Indicating their support for the
Oct 21st, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0´legitimate right of the Republic Of Argentina in the dispute with Great Britain.
The document was signed by both of these groups
The combined membership of these two groups mount to 32 nations.
and let us not forget that China and Russia have openly supported Argentina.
and let us not forget the MALABO DECLARATION which was signed by over 50 African nations in support of Argentina.
and let us not forget that two commonweath nations ANTIGUA-BARBADOS AND ST VINCENT GRENADINES also support Argentina.
28 ASS.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...support Argentina calling for negotiations”
really means nothing doesn't it??
Yep, you and Cough Witless are real Aussies
:-D
@28
Oct 21st, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Posted below I nicked this from Zathras' post on another thread rather than type it all again, but this flies in the face of your two last paragraphs. And, read your words you quoted 'the legitimate right of the Republic Of Argentina in the dispute with Great Britain' what does that actually mean, not what you want it to mean.
So there seems to be a problem, we have African countires, American countries and Caribbean countires that you state support Argentina, but they also seem to support the Falklands.
At the annual conference of the whole CPA in South Africa in September 2013, MLA Elsby tabled a motion seeking support and recognition of the results of the referendum, in which 92% of the electorate voted and of those 99.8% voted to remain as a British Overseas Territory.
There was unanimous support from all countries of the CPA, recognising the referendum as free and fair and being a true reflection of the wishes of the Falkland Islanders.
At this year's conference in Yaounde there was again tremendous support for the Falkland Islands.
So here is the list of the Democratic States:
Alderney
Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
The Bahamas
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belize
Bermuda
Botswana
British Virgin Islands
Cameroon
Canada
Cayman Islands
Cook Islands
Cyprus
Dominica
Falkland Islands
Fiji
Gambia
Ghana
Gibraltar
Grenada
Guernsey
Guyana
Hong Kong
India
Isle of Man
Jamaica
Jersey
Kenya
Kiribati
Lesotho
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Malta
Mauritius
Montserrat
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
New Zealand
Nigeria
Niue
Norfolk Island
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Samoa
Scotland
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Saint Helena
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Swaziland
Tanzania
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Turks and Caicos Islands
Tuvalu
Uganda
United Kingdom
Vanuatu
Zambia
Aussie Sunshine- sorry - you find me the specific and direct words where say Chile has publicly stated of signed an official document that specifically says- The Islands should be returned to Argentina regardless of the wishes of the people who live there.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will find that all those group declarations you refer to in reality just mean that they support Argentina,s demand to get talks started - NOT the specific outcome result.
Supporting Argentina,s claims to get talks going on the issue is one thing - but actually stating that the Islands should or will have to be returned to Argentina as the only result of such talks - is a very different matter.
24
Oct 21st, 2014 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Witless ASS
Why are you spamming on here??
Did you get an email bulletin “Rant of the Day” from the COMINTERN ??
The title of the article is misleading.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islands are extended the right to self-determination under every part of UN law, DESPITE the hispanic dictators club.
You may try and belittle Coffey to try and discredit him and therefore discredit his speech, but what he says in it is factual and cannot be argued against.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 boozly
Oct 21st, 2014 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have you ever heard that less is more?
well, try to apply it to your long, boring posts.
Well, I can't speak to our State Departments's position.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, I can speak about the postion of those with whom I discuss the Falklands here in the U.S.
Sadly, most US citizens do not follow events in SA. I guess with everything else going on in the world, SA just isn't that interesting. This site is where I learn about SA news. Don't take that as an insult... but I can assure you, I could ask 100 of my co-workers and the vast majority would not even know that Argentina is led by an idiot.
If I asked about the Falklands, about half would probably recall the invasion and subsequent ass-kicking. You'd also find that of those that DID recall the war, most would be shocked to learn that Argie is still all agitated and its still an on-going issue. The vast majority would assume that its been a settled - for decades.
My point is that whatever the State Department is saying... its not being covered by any major news organizations in the US and that's probably the only reason that Obama is able to NOT fully support the Falkland peoples right to self-determination. He's probably just trying not to get dragged into any firm positon. That's kinda his style... play both ends in the middle...
Here is the problem...and it always has been.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine government has LIED to its people.
LIED about an inheritance from Spain
LIED about an imagined usurption
LIED about a territorial integrity
They have then used three methods of propaganda that are proven to be effective.
1) assume nobody will investigate the lies too deeply
2) assume that the Argentine population will want it to be true so badly, they will believe it despite the evidence
3) link it to National pride or patriotism, so you are a pariah even if you point out the flaws
Imbeciles like paulcedron are living proof. He has not a single clue about the history of the islands, because he is terrified it may challenge his indoctrination. His comment @1 proves this..according to him the islands don't belong to the islanders....
But he doesn't have a clue why...just that his indoctrination tells him so.
Marcelo Kohen is a fraud. He is basing his whole argument that two sides to an argument have equal merit and therefore “negotiation” is the answer. It is childish nonsense.
@35 I have, but for you and the other Malvs it seems there is a need to explain the facts in childish detail, as you appear neither emotionally nor intellectually capable of understanding the vagueness and irrelevance of political statements such as these.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No come back to my post @30 though I see, so for you Paulie, less is definitely less.
Its time these -Self-Governing Territories
Oct 21st, 2014 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0were withdrawn from the corrupt C24,
then at least it would force the hands of Spain And Argentina will it not..??
@36 Rick
Oct 21st, 2014 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I recommend you have a look at
http://panampost.com/
monkey:
Oct 21st, 2014 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Here is the problem...and it always has been.
The Argentine government has LIED to its people.
LIED about an inheritance from Spain
LIED about an imagined usurption
LIED about a territorial integrity
”LIED about an inheritance from Spain
LIED about an imagined usurption
LIED about a territorial integrity“
says the imbecile who is ruled by this liar:
”Shame: MP and former Foreign Office official are rewarded for their role in the Chagos affair“
”Colin Roberts, the FCO's director of overseas territories, told the US that there would be no “Man Fridays” on the islands and said: “We do not regret the removal of the population.”
you are easier to be brainwashed than a real monkey, you imbecile. lol
Link please, Neo Nationalist Nino
Oct 21st, 2014 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love how you make these quotes, without context and without links to the sources.
Are you afraid that we' ll read the articles and find the real story?
Or are they even real at all??
LOL!!
I've got a question for you - please tell us why the Fslklands belong to Argentina??
hint:
a bibliography of sources, in proper academic format, would add much to your credibility.
You probably don't really know, do you?
:-D
@41 Really....Pauliney.....trying to take a comment out of context and portray it as racist.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 07. (C/NF) Roberts acknowledged that “we need to find a way to get through the various Chagossian lobbies.” He admitted that HMG is “under pressure” from the Chagossians and their advocates to permit resettlement of the “outer islands” of the BIOT. He noted, without providing details, that ”there are proposals (for a marine park) that could provide the Chagossians warden jobs“ within the BIOT. However, Roberts stated that, according to the HGM,s current thinking on a reserve, there would be ”no human footprints“ or ”Man Fridays“ on the BIOT's uninhabited islands. He asserted that establishing a marine park would, in effect, put paid to resettlement claims of the archipelago's former residents. Responding to Polcouns' observation that the advocates of Chagossian resettlement continue to vigorously press their case, Roberts opined that the UK's ”environmental lobby is far more powerful than the Chagossians' advocates.” (Note: One group of Chagossian litigants is appealing to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) the decision of Britain's highest court to deny “resettlement rights” to the islands' former inhabitants. See below at paragraph 13 and reftel. End Note.)
Referring to when Robinson Crusoe saw footprints in the sand and therefore showing there were other humans on the island.
Every time you accuse others of being brain washed, it just enforces your own failings.
Still nothing to say about @30, any facts in there you would like to challenge.
@43 Buzzsaw
Oct 21st, 2014 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apples and Oranges. He is trying to bring in a completely different subject matter in order to argue a point he doesn't have.
You might as well try to herd cats.
These people are beyond stupid.
In fact, paulie took a train to the far side of stupid a long time back. He used to debate, now he just rants. Must be the pressure of the imminent financial collapse. Come on. what decent country in the world has a parallel exchange rate?
Wanna buy some 'blue sterling', some 'pounds parallelo'? Thought not!
The £1 is currrently at $1.62, not 2o sodding pesos to a dollar.
20 of your currency or 0.81 to buy one unit of hard currency that won't devalue and is globally accepted?
No wonder he is losing the plot. They are on the same track as VNZLA, the land of BSF 101 / USD.
He must be weeping. That's why he lashes out over some unobtainable dream about the Falklands.
Cristina has sold him down the river.
toy
Oct 21st, 2014 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how many times have i explained to you that if you google the quotes, you get the links, you dunderhead.
and no, it is not magic.
my god, you old farts are funny.
I think it is because paul-carrion hasn't been to university and doesn't understand the correct 'form' for Being Taken Seriously.
Oct 21st, 2014 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah I don't believe what Paul writes either.
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0All those quotes are obviously made up which is the norm for a country that uses a fantasy as a national aspiration.
There used to be this guy Stevie who used to post on here all day long.
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0For a long time he stated his opinions fairly coherently. Then, after some time, he turned into a bit of a raving weirdo, and then disappeared.
Their contradictions send them over the edge.
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Niño
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0You little limp noodle of a penis,
As with any phrase or subject line, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of possible results,
Honestly, you fucking idiot, you have to be specific -
WHICH ONE, is the point you are making???
You have just proven my earlier point, you didn't want us to find the rest of the article your quotes came from.
Your accusations don't hold water when put in context.
You're a weak-minded fool who doesn't want to hear the truth - it interferes with your beliefs.
Can you form a logical argument why the Falklands belong to Argentina, or will you resort to the “bla bla bla” response of the empty-minded??
30 Buzzsaw (#)
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you. But the list is worth repeating, those democracies that support and respect the free and fair referendum the Falkland had in 2013.
Comparing to the list of rather dubious states in the C24,, the phrase “you're having a laugh” springs to mind.
And referring to another post, which right now I've misplaced.
I have asked recently, just how does the Falklands & Gibraltar remove themselves from the C24 listing.
As the C24 has no say over sovereignty, only decolonization, including the option of a colony remaining as it is as the Gibraltar and Falklands peoples want.
The situation is ideal for the argentine goverment without the falklands they'd end up picking a fight with chile and that might not go so well.
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Having the evil brits steal the precious islands so precious that for over 100 year no argentinans went to live there. Perfect excuse
@52
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly.
Meanwhile, Argentina's neighbours are also happy that Argentina's malign intent is directed elsewhere, the Brits are happy as defenders of human rights and self-determination, the islanders are happy their security is guaranteed, and the Peronists are happy the punters are looking the other way while their pockets get picked. The only losers in the whole business are the Malvinistas who keep the entire construction afloat on a sea of state-induced bile.
Sometimes I think there is justice in the world after all.
We thinks CFK is at a crossroads,
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she cant go forwards or backwards, sideways left or right,
she is totally confused, her people brainwashing is wearing off, and the people are waking up, smelling the rot and dropping her in droves,
looks like that illusive victory will have wait...lol
What a twisted and tricky speech !!!!.
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a way to hide the facts and present a “convenient reality” !!!!!!
I haven't read a speech like this lately...the last one was a CFK's one...both seem to have been written by the same person ...
“twisted and tricky speech”??
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-except that his statements are borne out with documentation and real events.
Sorry it doesn't support what you would like to believe.
In this way, you and Paul Cedrone are exactly alike - Malvinistas.
@ 56
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peronists and argentine nacionalits like to change history by hiding historical facts and showing just the events that are lined up with their theories.
Take for instance that they erase from history dacades of succesfull parthnership between Argentina and the UK or the fact that the UK was one of the first in recognizing the Argentine independence. Thye just like to show every time both countries confronted.
This speech uses the very same procedure.....I would clasified this speech as “very peronist”...or quite a “revisionist” speech !!!!
The Arg claim to the Falklands is based entirely on the peddling of a false history - in other words lies, distortions, and self-deception. These lies have been forcibly and criminally indoctrinated into generations of Arg children (one sometimes wonders if there is any other kind of Arg?) so that it has become like a fundamentalist religion and they cannot think rationally anymore. Any RG who dares dispute this state religion, or even mildly suggests that perhaps Britain has a teeny-weeny point - as a small group of unusually brave RG's did a couple of years back - is threatened with ostracism and violence.
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it were possible for RG's to tell the truth they would admit that the claim is based not on history but solely on geographical PROXIMITY. But they will never admit that because it involves telling the truth. Anyway the concept of proximity is not recognised in in international law, because if it were it would lead to a whole series of land claims, invasions and wars. For example, the Turks would want to occupy all the Greek islands off their coast. Morocco would want to occupy the Islas Canarias. And to admit the truth would be to negate all the false history they have been “teaching” for so many years.
Yet, with its belated (1940?) claim to South Georgia and its dependencies, it has as good as admitted that their claim is in fact based solely on proximity. South Georgia was never ever owned or claimed by Spain - and certainly not by Argentina (until Hitler came to power - co-incidence?) because it fell within the Portuguese sphere of influence. I've asked this question a few times before from the RG's on this board and the only reply if ever got was “we want it because you have it”.
On what historical or legal basis does Arg claim South Georgia?
58 pgerman
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In what way is it “revisionist”?
Mr. Coffey cites Argentine, UK, and Falklands relations, as they are relevant to events.
It is a deliberately short, concise and factual speech, not a rambling, hours long, jingoistic Peronist rant.
At no time does he try to give the impression that UK and Argentina were friendly at one time.
Has Mr. Coffey misrepresented any facts or historical events?
Britain's relations, relevance, and influence in Argentina, are sharply reduced from the 1930's when Argentina began to nationalise the railways, utilities, and infrastructure that British helped build and run, in Argentina.
Coffey is simply saying Argentina should leave the Falklands alone and stop petitioning the UN under false pretences.
Far from encouraging animosity or actions against your country.
I don't know how you can categorise it as “Peronist” - this speech is an example of just the opposite.
I'm sorry you find it upsetting or against your belief system.
Please feel free to refute anything he has said, if you can.
All these points have been debated unsuccessfully many times over, in the past, by the Malvinistas here.
L
The whole lot of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Picking on poor Paulcedron whilst he's doing his utmost to give truthful and factual debate relevant to the topic. Do any of you realise that drafting sensible answers and retorts is very difficult whilst sat in a leaky tin shack on the edge of B.A. with stolen electricity cutting in and out ? And don't forget, he has no toilet as we know it, just a bucket that he empties over his neighbours' wall when they're not looking. People, go easy on him, not too easy, I like a laugh !
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0toy
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not a surprise you cannot find a simple link through a quote in google.
with that level of education plus your negative iq, i'm surprised that you even know how to write.
60
says a hillbilly in the typical stinky shack of the islets, with a community school as his temple of knowledge...lol
what has you studied there, you hillbilly?
sheep shagging?
Meanwhile back on blog,
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why Falklands are not extended the right to self determination: “shame on G24”
WHY Why why..
@61 Paul,
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A Hillbilly, of which I am one, is defined as someone who grew up in the Appalachian mountains of the US East Coast.
Since I suspect that you intended to use the word as a perjuritive, I ask you to refrain from continuing to do so.
There are some really great “hillbillies”; many of which I'd bet you'd enjoy getting to know.
So paulcedron proves I am right...his government has lied to him. He knows it, and he knows we know it....yet because it would be unArgentine to admit it...he continues to peddle the lie.
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor brainwashed Paul...would rather be a pathetic liar than “unArgentine”....lol.
Poor Paul.....how we pity him
@58 ernest shackleton,
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l have asked that same question about South Georgia.
Either the malvinistas won't answer or come up with some rubbish like ”territorial integrity' or some other such nonsense.
Sr Think even had a lame excuse that the first child born there(to Norwegian parents)became an Argentine citizen later on in life, when she settled in RGland.
Therefore he wanted to “backdate”the whole process & this was grounds for RGland's ridiculous “claims”
They really do have vastly different thought processes to the rest of humanity.
@28 It matters not who supports Argentina in its illegitimate sovereignty claims. International law supports the Falkland Islanders. Just ask the ICJ or Ban Ki-Moon. Comprende?
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lsolde, I remember that one.
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think can be quite hilarious at times.
It gets funnier.
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The “irrefutable proof” that South Georgia belongs to Argentina consists of a picture of two foundered sealing vessels with blue and white stripes on the mast.
Apparently this once appeared on a stamp.
www.irizar.org/819puglisi-georgias.pdf
@61 NNN Neo Nationalist Nino
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Limp weenie Pablo,
In effect, what you are saying is,
“ keep searching the Internet until you find an argument that supports my statements”
you're so funny - Yep, I'm laffing at you !!!
:-D
63 Rick from Maryland
Oct 22nd, 2014 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would pay ANY attention to paulcedron @61. We have long since given up on including him as part of the human race. I know it is everyones right to be stupid but widdle paulie really does abuse that privilege.
He thinks in terms of stereotypes, if you are posting on here and are from the UK then YOU MUST living on the Falkland Islands and therefore you shag sheep.
If you post on here and are from the US then you MUST live in a trailer park or you are a hill billy.
the rest of the world does not exist.
Poor Limp weenie Pablo.
I know we must forgive the sins of others but some people make you forget that................
Respect.
Oh well Paulcedron. As I understand it, the peoples of Argentina have deprived, removed, killed, the righful owners of Argentina . They then set themselves up as a nation called a vote and thereafter claimed that their occupation of Argentina was DEMOCRATIC, the indians, who really owned it, unfortunately could not vote because many of them were already dead. The people of the Falklands did not kill anybody, or suppress the natural population of the islands. In truth the Argentine has no legal claim to the Falkland Islands whatsoever. They would like to own those Islands its true, but many countries covert their neighbours territory
Oct 23rd, 2014 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha Ha. The American Heritage Foundation. What a joke.
Oct 23rd, 2014 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For those of you who do not know of this organization these people are the 'neocons' of the US. These are the same people who pushed for the disastrous invasion of Iraq - certainly the worst US foreign policy disaster in history. And these are the people who assured the American public that weapons of mass destruction would be found in Iraq.
The neocons are basically US imperialists. This is why they venerate that famous British racist and imperialist, Winston Churchill. They think that the US should become some sort of latter day imperial Britain. How unexceptional.
The only sensible response to the rubbish promulgated in this article is to ask whether these neocons have finally located the weapons of mass destruction in 'the Falklands'.
You Falklanders keep on drinking the communal kool aid and keep on listening to yourselves give yourselves wipearounds listening to this latest invention of political malarky...self determination...hahaha.....what will they think of next? You actually think the UK has the well wishes of 3000 sheepf'kers in mind? You mean the oil and the fact that your little grubby hands are going to get rich from the oil dividends. This is some big 'ole PR campaign to keep you little inbred troglodytes in line with the crown. You are historical squatters, if that was my great great great grandfather's land and I found out some inbred were still claiming thru squatter's rights aka self determination..well you know.
Oct 24th, 2014 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0But you can't!
Oct 24th, 2014 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 02014 and the Falkland Islands are still British.
@73
Oct 24th, 2014 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You poor sucker. It has nothing to do with oil and everything to do with Milk of Magnesia.
The UK is the biggest supplier of Milk of Magnesia to poor, poor Argentina and does everything in its power to keep the poor, poor inhabitants of that poor, poor country in a state of impotent, bilious, gut-rotting frustration that can only be countered by ingesting copious amounts of the disgusting white fluid. You don't think Jeremy Clarkson is just a TV presenter, do you?
P.S Which brand do they distribute in the United States Air Force?
Exactly argentina is the comedy oppenent with ships that sink at harbour or get impounded by bailffs.
Oct 24th, 2014 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hows the search for fighter jets going hear brazil is next in line?
Now, now, Hepatia.
Oct 24th, 2014 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you distress yourself.
Just have yourself a good little lie-down & you'll feel better, directly.
btw- we do have weapons of mass destruction here.
Just waiting for you Argentines to invade us again, then we'll demonstrate them to you.
Greetings from the South Atlantic Death Star.
Hepatia,
Oct 24th, 2014 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“May The Farce be with you!” *
* apologies to George Lucas.
US airforce. I don't think that you really have a grip on the situation. How does the United Kingdom profit from oil belonging to the Falkland islands ? It belongs to the the Falkland Islands, the profits will go to the Falkland Islanders, there is no taxation in force whereby the UK can tax people or companies in the Falklands. Where they UK may make a buck is that we will probably ask the Islanders to stump up some cash towards their defence to relieve the UK of having to pay it all. Fairly reasonable. As for lessons in democracy and ownership, we require none from the Americans. They deprived the rightful owners of America in what amounts to a genocide . That is killing them when the native Americans objected forceably to having their lands stolen from them . So don't lecture us about oppressed peoples, just go onto your Reservations and talk to the real Americans
Oct 24th, 2014 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vernya,
Oct 24th, 2014 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Native Americans have their own nations, they have subsidized housing and food assistance for doing nothing. They have their own laws. When (and it is a matter of when) they chose to raise an Armed Forces to forcibly remove all the 'whities' from their land then it will be so. So just like you squatters need to rely on ole UKs titties for defense then you will have to deal with Argentina.
Lets look at the numbers: American Indians/Native Americans comprise solely 5.2 million members of the entire 360 million us population. Native Americans have no standing armed forces......
Number of Falklanders: 3000 - Number of Argentinians: 41,000,000.
Argentina has a standing Armed Forces. Argentina has written title claim to those islands you occupy. Argentina is currently picking up Saab Viggen fighters from Brazil and Mercosur is aligned with Argentina a mere 300 miles off your coast. Why should you people care what Argies and Brazileros do? US Native Americans are 100% correct in that they were swindled by the English, French, Germans, Spaniards, Puritans, ect ect.......Not much to do now.
Currently: Both UK and Argentina are allies to the US. Why does the UK and the Falklanders protest so grossly when the US does not pick sides? Why does the UK government publicly complain so bitterly at even the thought of changing out Falkland's flags on ships? You 1500 Falklanders (those allowed to vote) better diplomatically settle this dispute with Argentina and come up to some compromise. I've stated this before, WWI was started over some BS Duke from some backwater country so don't think your little squabble goes unnoticed. Ronald Reagan and Ole Iron Britches are long gone and so is the unilateral support from the US.
Mr. Coffey:
Oct 24th, 2014 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations for a first-class article! You certainly “desire the right”
for the Falklands.
Philippe
“Argentina has written title claim to those islands you occupy”
Oct 24th, 2014 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Erm..... no it doesn't.
ln regards to the Falklands,
Oct 24th, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has Jack Shit.
@80
Oct 24th, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's already a compromise in place. Argentine can have the islands whenever it likes. All it has to do is make a deal with the islanders. Why's that so hard, do you think? Do you think refusing to speak to them might have something to do with Argentina's inability to make a deal? Bearing in mind of course that this is a country that couldn't even negotiate a settlement with the most junta-friendly of any British government, that actually wanted to get rid of the islands, but chose to start a war instead.
As for Mercosur, it's hardly a military alliance, it barely even functions as the trade bloc it's supposed to be, thanks to Argentina's systematically stabbing its partners in the back, while simultaneously expecting them to share to its outrage at Argentina's murderers., rapists, and mutineers being shown the red card two centuries ago.
And of course, if Argentina;'s chronic fuck-wittedeness isn't enough of a defence, we have 4 aeroplanes and 1500 blokes down there to terrify an entire continent with, if we're to believe all we hear. And all that Milk of Magnesia to sell!
I Know you;re not hot on answering questions, but here's another one. How did it go donw in the United States Air Force when your ally Argentina impounded a US military plane and its cargo, made a truly diplomatic stink about an unauthorised cargo, and then subsequently admitted it was all a mistake? An amazing tale, not least because Argentina admitted having made a mistake. Imagine.
I guess that must have gone done like a lead balloon, though, huh? Probably the way the US Navy felt when illegal Argentine okupas of the Falklands starting committing acts of piracy against American vessels. Wouldn't you say?
In the meantime, we'll just t rely on our Death Star of 1500 blokes and 4 aeroplanes while Argentian continues stabbing its Mercosurt
@80
Oct 24th, 2014 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is currently picking up Saab Viggen fighters from Brazil”
Good luck with that-the Saab Viggen first flew in 1967.
Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.
You couldn't win in 1982 because if Argentina had really believed the Falkland Islands were theirs, they would have fought to the death, not surrendered.
Galteiri claimed he and the Argentines would fight to the last drop of blood, yet I notice he made a fleeting visit to the Islands before the task force showed up, then retreated to his bunker in BA where he shit himself, remember, he was meant to be a soldier-didn't ever fight did he?
Argentina haven't changed and CFK is no more than Galteiri with lipstick on, all bullshit, no action.
Also, if you think Argentina has a legitimate claim to the Falklands go to the ICJ, don't fart about.
Mr. Bog,
Oct 24th, 2014 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have to treat you fine Brits and beloved Falklanders with white gloves from here on out. Or else the big slanted Mercopress hand will censor me for being the opposition from the US. It would seem that your reference to being 'hard enough' has a ring of drunken boasting bar talk. Mr. Bog, why don't you release the Brits from your little ring of protection and then give it a go? The day you fine people experience some natural catastrosphe or the like will be begging for the people from a little more than 300 miles off your coast for help. Of course the US will send some assistance and I might even be on board to help. Karma is a real buggar. You people should tread very lightly in your hate of your closest neighbor. One day, and it will come, LATAM as you people like to reference with thinly veiled hate will be your problem to contend with and I am sure that the 82 mistake will not be repeated. We here in the US will stay out of it and enact the Monroe Doctrine, so please give it a go.
86 The Farce
Oct 25th, 2014 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Farce uses British style of speech and expressions - what a sham!!
:-D
@87
Oct 25th, 2014 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nah. Most Brits can spell 'bugger'.
Also, guess a nationality and/or culture which would would think nothing of complaining about 'thinly veiled hate' while vomiting forth the unveiled version?
88 Hans
Oct 25th, 2014 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry Hans, I mean his posing as an American is the sham.
No American would speak like that, especially a young American on the military.
Sounds pretty frustrated that the British are guarding the islands - Yep, sounds Argentine to me .
LOL!!
@89 Tory
Oct 25th, 2014 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could be it's somebody pretending to be an American pretending not to be an Argentine. It's the Internet after all. But personally I take the view, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you might as well just take it as a duck and respond accordingly.
And this duck isn't just quacking, it's waxing its moustache and dancing the tango.
Hans,
Oct 25th, 2014 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha ha - and we do have some 'odd Ducks' on here !!
:-)
Yep, its an Argentine alright.
Oct 25th, 2014 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0A genuine pato.
@86
Oct 25th, 2014 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0So what you are saying is that..if the Falkland Islanders removed the “British ring of protection”, they would be in danger.
Thanks for the confirmation....we knew that, which is why it remains, and will always remain.
Different to 1982 though, with a hunter-killer submarine patrolling the waters, any Argentine task force would be sunk within minutes of leaving the ports, by an enemy you couldn't even see.
Karma...LOL
#93 any argetine task force would capsize in harbour due to lack of maintence fixed it for you
Oct 25th, 2014 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Monroe Doctrine?!?!?!?!
Oct 25th, 2014 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm laughing so hard I think I just did a little wee.
@86
Oct 25th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“. Mr. Bog, why don't you release the Brits from your little ring of protection and then give it a go?”
Why do you need all a total of 10 aircraft, one or two ships and 100 troops to be removed before you will have a go?
You are no more a citizen of the USA than I am a Falkland Islander-so as an Argentine it doesn't surprise me that you won't have a go unless you have a 100:1 superiority ratio (and you nearly botched that up) or fighting unarmed people.
Surely you Argies aren't scared of 4 fighter aircraft, 100 troops and a few ships (admittedly, ours actually float and move)?
If you're hard enough. why wait, its only a tiny force, and as you say we haven't got the support of the USA, so go ahead.
The UK armed forces are waiting for you.
Ah yes. A true argie coward, through and through.
Oct 25th, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great on puffing his chest out and making out he is a Yank but doesn’t realise that despite some comments on both sides in the past the Brits and the Yanks are real friends; especially after the Muslim leaves the Whitehouse.
We see arseholes like US Air Farce all the time around PdE driving argie plated cars and breaking speed limits by an order of magnitude as if they owned the place, which they really, really think they do.
Best ignored, argies are just a pain in the culo, they don't have a peashooter between them but this idiot doesn’t even realise that.
christine
Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the Brits and the Yanks are real friends”
yeah, right...lol
all that the uk can aspire is to be the u.s. biatch.
and they are doing it great in that aspect.
While paul-carrion is busy insulting ChrisR and the British in general, more and more Kirchnerists are posting in her favour and glorifying Nestor.
Oct 26th, 2014 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Be careful paulie, you have more local concerns. ...
paulcedron, is a small affair. & l mean small.
Oct 26th, 2014 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not to be taken too seriously.
Think's apprentice.
I think we will shortly be seeing the decline of US Air Farce and the re-emergence of Stevie...
Oct 26th, 2014 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...jus' sayin' like...
:-)
losers various
Oct 26th, 2014 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if we argentinians have local concerns, surely this 4th class site is not the place to discuss them.
the “concern” here are you, warmonger falklandistas.
well, not that a bunch of warmonger, alcoholic, old, not too intelligent, and poorly educated islanders are going to be a big problem either.
they (you) are more like a stone in the shoe
It is true the Americans and British are friends. All Anglos are friends, that is a respectable attitude.
Oct 26th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the reason Argentina should never again engage in any friendly relations with the Anglo countries. They (the Anglos) are friends but also work covertly to screw everyone else up who is not anglo. They hate non-anglos, they think of themselves as racially superior.
Argentina has chosen the right path generally. Now if it would just close its embassies in the US, UK, Australia, and Canada it would be even better. Never again friends and partners with Anglos. The farther away we keep them, the better.
paul-cedron has stated before that he is anti-kirchner.
Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nostrum thinks “Argentina has chosen the right path generally”.
You both hate 'anglos', so you have something in common. Why don't you two have a debate about the future direction of Argentina?
That would be a better use for your energies than the pointless Brit-bashing, surely? And of more interest to the other posters here...
And you hate argies, just like the others. Why don't you take your own advice into council?
Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@105 I don't hate all argies, I just have a low-tolerance for fools of any nationality. Recently, on other threads I have congratulated Argentina, but you ignore that.
Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have tried debating with you both but just recieve wave after wave of vitriol, so its a bit pointless really.
thanks all the same.
PS: Why haven't you explained to paulie why he is wrong (in your opinion)?
The clearest example of how to spend rivers of ink without saying anything. Not the slightest argument. Disservice to the “cause” of pirates. But it is natural. It is impossible to support the position of strong of the okupas. And I mean as “okupas” the English from England, not the idiots that temporarily tread our soil malvinero.
Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can it be your soil when the 'okupas' have been there longer than Argentina has existed?
Oct 26th, 2014 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps the Italians have soveriegn right to parts of England because the Romans were there in some areas (temporarily) before the UK was formed?
And those bastards built some nice straight roads that are still in use today! How dare they!
Nostrils
Oct 26th, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly, when your country had a good relationship with the “Anglos” it was in the top 10 richest in the world.
When you decided to bin that relationship, and follow Peronist nationalism...you now aren't in the top 50.
Rather than blame the Anglos...blame the true culprits, the Peronists....the Argentine nationalists...those who promised you better...and raped you blind.
Ho hum...never mind, blame the Anglos, blame the boogeyman, blame whoever you like...can't be the mirror though.
To blame the Peronists would mean accepting that their current model doesn't work.
Oct 26th, 2014 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would mean Argentines are the problem.
It means that they need to change their own thinking and the status quo, to fix the problem.
er... not gonna happen - too busy, each guarding what they have...
#103
Oct 27th, 2014 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why should Anglos wish to have anything to do with muppets like you ?
Close your Embassy and take CASTRO with you.
I presume that you have a mandate from all the people in Argentina to follow this course.
What happens to those that disagree with you...start the one-way helicopter flights again ?
@107
Oct 27th, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“that temporarily tread our soil malvinero.”
In your 'Bad Vineyard'with fungus infected Grapes they will surely be treading grapes not soil?
Is that how you make that muck you call Malbec that isn't even a patch on my homebrew Elderberry Wine?
By treading soil into it? Or is it the pesticides that give it that fungicidal flavour?
Euuuuuurrrggghhhhhhh!
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