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Argentina's geostationary satellite reaches and stations in permanent orbit
Argentina's Arsat-1 geostationary satellite launched last week finished the third and last maneuver in order to remain in orbit permanently, 36,000 km away from earth. Read full article
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Oct 24th, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....it will be to anyone hoping to watch uninterrupted footy on the telly tomorrow night: cue KFC breaking into a special announcement, only to rambling incoherently about Nester's great legacy and international triumph....
Oct 24th, 2014 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done.
Oct 24th, 2014 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only one slight clarification. This specific segment of the project was executed by the integral bipropellant propulsion system of the Arsat-1 satellite, which is used to maneuver itself into (and maintain) it's position in geostationary orbit (and is often the limiting factor relative to the life of a geo satellite). It was purchased off-the-shelf from EADS Astrium (Airbus) in France (same as the lift vehicle). The “built entirely with local parts” is an error.
Credit where credit is due, I always say.
All the same; well done Argentina.
“Argentina's geostationary satellite reaches and stations in permanent orbit”
Oct 24th, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WOW this is such good news!! I wish I lived in argentina right now!!!
Oh...hang on a minute. No I don't.
No, I don't wish that at all.
Sorry, my bad
Can anyone confirm; is this the only Ars in orbit around earth?
Oct 24th, 2014 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0toooldtodieyoung
Nice to see you on here still contributing me old mate.
@5 Jo Bloggs
Oct 25th, 2014 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's actually not in orbit “around earth”, it's in orbit “over earth”, as it's in a geostationary position. There are about 400 of these in orbit (about 8 on their way at present, well others are coming out of service). I believe Argentina currently has one in service (Nahuel), which was a buy-out from the French & MDA Canada. People shouldn't get geostationary satellites mixed-up with plain satellites; as there are over 13,500 purpose-build satellites orbiting the earth, of which approximately 3,500 are still functioning.
Sorry for the long-winded answer.
6 DerkeBlake
Oct 25th, 2014 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL! Thanks very much. I knew as soon as I sent that, someone would pick me up. You remind me of a guy I knew once when I was in the army. A group of us went to see the first Die Hard movie at the cinema. All the way home and for the next few days in the barracks everyone was quoting lines from it. 'Yippee-ki-yay motherfucker' and 'No fuckin shit lady, does it sound like I'm ordering a pizza?' etc. That is all of us except Lance. Lance thought the whole film was spoiled by the fact that the character John Mclane at one stage fired 15 shots without changing mags with a Beretta 92F that was clearly loaded with a 13 round mag. Obvious because the 20 round mag protrudes out of the grip.
Well, okay, I guess your explanation about satellites wasn't that bad but it reminded me of Lance and Die Hard and made me laugh. All I can say is that I didn't see the geo-stationaryness for the Ars.
LOL!
I'll never apologise for being a man concerned about the details. Anything else is just being sloppy.
Oct 25th, 2014 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0(8) DerkeBlake
Oct 25th, 2014 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A man concerned about the details”...., huhhhhh?
Then you should have researched a bit better the St. Pierre & Miquelon issue before mentioning it as a “Civilized Canadian” example to Argentina in relation with the Malvinas Islands Issue...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93France_Maritime_Boundary_Case
As you can see, the French & St. Pierrais only got about 1/10 of what they wished after an International Arbitration...
And the official position of the Canadian Government is that them Frenchies got way too much...
Quite sloppy indeed......
Regards
El Think, Chubut, Patagonia Argentina.
Well done Argentina. The next launch I am awaiting is for Argentina to be launched into geostationary orbit, 36,000 km away, to give the rest of us some peace from the incessant whining coming from that region.
Oct 25th, 2014 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0(10) Clyde15
Oct 25th, 2014 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to disappoint you, Lowlander, but....
The next launch will be the AR-SAT II in 2015...
Followed by the AR-SAT III in the same year...
http://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sat%C3%A9lites_de_la_Argentina
Besides, as you can read in the above link, we haven't yet developed a launcher capable of lifting a whole County...
;-)))
@9
Oct 25th, 2014 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9
“As you can see, the French & St. Pierrais only got about 1/10 of what they wished after an International Arbitration...”
It says 18% in the link you provided - or 9/50ths for those preferring fractions.
Accuracy Snr Think, accuracy....: )
Turnip at (12)
Oct 25th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) The Frogs got less than 1/10'th of the territorial waters they wished for....
2) The Frogs got the coastal waters, were there are NO fish banks whatsoever...
3) The Frogs got, as a consolation prize, a completely useless “Corridor in the Sea” of some 200 x 10 miles...
Educate yourself...
@ 13
Oct 25th, 2014 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Article you provided contains a further link which states:
”In 1992, an arbitration panel awarded the islands an exclusive economic zone of 12,348 square kilometres (4,768 sq mi) to settle a longstanding territorial dispute with Canada, although it represents only 25% of what France had sought.”
25% - or 1/4, for those preferring fractions, seems to taking us even further away from your asserted 1/10 - 10%, for those metricised.
This is derived from information provided by yourself Snr Think.
I am simply 'educating myself' from that which you have provided..... : )
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon
Accuracy Snr Think, accuracy...
@9 Think
Oct 25th, 2014 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please actually read the details of this massive “dispute” (Mucha paya y poco grano; es por vicio del verano):
http://www.gmat.unsw.edu.au/ablos/ABLOS03Folder/PAPER5-1.PDF
Two civilized nations, settling a maritime boundary dispute amicably. Neither side thought that they had won, so it was probably a good decision. Every single word I wrote was true and 100% accurate, in every sense. Period.
If you see it otherwise, you're just blinded by bias for whatever reason. We are the very best of neighbours (they are technically required to report in when they land here, but we usually simply “look-the-other-way” about 99% of the time).
By-the-way; you did happen to notice that Canada didn't invade the islands when we didn't get exactly what we wanted, right?
Cheers!
15) Mr. DerkeBlake
Oct 25th, 2014 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I read with interest the paper you linked us to...
I notice that you, somehow sarcastically, call the St. Pierre & Miquelon Issue for a “Massive Dispute”.............
Well..... it isn't a massive dispute because of various reasons..:
Firstly... (Disregarding for a moment the First Nations Issue) because the Acadiens have, in their shared colonial history with the Engrish, same or more right to be in Northeastern Canada as the Anglos do...
Secondly...., because them ~6,000 Frenchies and their Mother Country in Europe only claim some 250 km2 of land and some 70.000 km2 of sea...
Thirdly..., because the Frogs have always been open to the negotiation of an acceptable settlement for both parts...
Let's compare now with the Current British geopolitical aspirations in the South Atlantic... shall we?
Firstly.... As Colonial history goes, North America was for the Anglos and the French whilst South America was for the Spanish and the Portuguese....
Secondly..., the ~ 2,500 Engrish citizens squatting in Malvinas and their Mother Country, adjacent to the European shores claim some 1,800,000 km2 of land and some 4,000,000 km2 of sea down here...
Thirdly..., the Engrish are not open to an acceptable settlement in the South Atlantic... Unless, of course, you consider a plain “Bugger Off Dagos” as an acceptable settlement...
Have a nice Sunday
El Think
PS...:
It's spelled... : “Mucha paja y poco grano”
@ 16
Oct 25th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Thirdly..., the Engrish are not open to an acceptable settlement in the South Atlantic... Unless, of course, you consider a plain “Bugger Off Dagos” as an acceptable settlement...”
How is that known if Argentina will not talk?
“Argentina's foreign minister has turned down a Foreign Office invitation to meet members of the Falkland Islands government in London next week.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21288084
How are you getting on with fractions and percentages : )
5 Jo Bloggs
Oct 25th, 2014 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Monseur Le Bloggs!!! It is good to see you back on here after an extended break. You re-join the game at a crucial stage. The argies have joined the space club but soon won't be able to afford to use their own satellite.......
How's the Bloggs household? Everyone well I hope.
Ha!! We have just had a parents evening at school where, at 18, offspring No1 is supposed to have sorted out what he wants to do as a career. Trouble is, Offspring No1 is sssssoooooo laid back he is horizontal and does not know what he wants to do next weekend, let alone, the rest of his life.
Offspring No2 is in the middle of her teen aged angst. She is all raging hormones and barely contained rebellion.
Still, you gotta laff huh?
Stay well my friend
Relax guys, its only a satellite ..
Oct 25th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(18) Tooldtodieyoung
Oct 25th, 2014 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two spoiled western capitalistic spoiled teenagers at home!!!
That surely explains your hate projections against some far away perceived enemy. (In your case, Argentina)
You have my deepest sympathy....
Keep strong...
It passes...
;-)
@16 El Think
Oct 25th, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Honestly and sincerely, I have no idea what your point is?
Yes, I did use “massive” in a sarcastic sense in my initial post, because you had referred (@9) to a very, very minor (amicably resolved) dispute as proof that the relationship between Canada and SP&M was unworthy as a civilized example of a country and a foreign overseas territory living in harmony, in extremely close proximity (which was my initial point). I thought that was silly. If you agree that it “isn't a massive dispute”, what was the need to attempt to use it as a counter-point to my (very polite, if you recall) post on another thread.
Doesn't make sense.
As far as referencing the Beothuk & Mi'kmaq, and an explanation, that would take far too much typing for me here (and hardly relevant). However, here are a couple of links that I'm sure you'll get a chuckle out of:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/05/typical-bureaucratic-bungling-ottawa-tightens-entry-criteria-after-103000-rush-to-apply-for-mikmaq-status/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/05/typical-bureaucratic-bungling-ottawa-tightens-entry-criteria-after-103000-rush-to-apply-for-mikmaq-status/
And as far as the Falklands/Malvinas dispute goes, I will defer to Pascoe & Pepper's paper, which I have read both in English and (confusingly) in Spanish; although I see no need for any negotiations prior to Argentina's constitution being changed.; a country cannot negotiate in good faith contrary to what is clearly stated in it's very constitution. Plus what is the big deal about even shaking the hand, or being in the same room as a Falkland Islander. Seems rather childish to me; but I have no horse in the race, so whatever.
As for my “paya” spelling; my apologies. My Spanish is absolutely brutal and I will try not to impose it on you again by taking a stab (in my defense though, my linguistic skills are much, much worse).
Cheers, and have a good Saturday (you said Sunday; you're obviously a man of leisure),
Derke
(21) Mr. DerkeBlake
Oct 25th, 2014 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll try to explain my point mote clearly then...:
In another thread you politely expressed your disapproval & disbelief about the Argentinean position on the Islas Malvinas Issue and presented the example of St. Pierre and Miquelon as a civilized way of resolving a similar dispute...
My point is that Argentina would gladly concede the 2,500 Kelpers of Malvinas the same terms and conditions Canada gave the 7,000 St. Pierrais...:
“250 km2 of land and some 11,000 km2 of water...”
But NOT the 1,800,000 km2 of land and 4,000,000 km2 of Sea that the Engrish Crown pretends to dominate under the excuse of the human rights of the aforementioned 2,500 Kelpers...
Capisce?
@21
Oct 25th, 2014 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never try to stroke a dog you don't know....
Capisce?
; )
Especially an old dog...lol
Oct 25th, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(21) Mr. DerkeBlake
Oct 25th, 2014 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just read those two articles you linked....
Nasty stuff, how people will abuse laws and regulations created to protect the Original Peoples...
...A bit like them 2,500 British Citizens, most of them British Born, squatting on some windblown South Atlantic Islands that, dressed in their ethnically correct Savile Row suits, present themselves at the United Nations claiming to be “A People”, a “Distinct People”...
Some Chutzpah!!!
@22
Oct 25th, 2014 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Firstly.... As Colonial history goes, North America was for the Anglos and the French whilst South America was for the Spanish and the Portuguese....”
So how come we've ended up with Scandinavians, Moldovans, Ukrainiains, Swiss, and Italians (inter alia), attempting to dictate who belongs in the South Atlantic and who doesn't? Is it something to do with the Pope or something?
“Secondly..., the ~ 2,500 Engrish citizens squatting in Malvinas and their Mother Country, adjacent to the European shores claim some 1,800,000 km2 of land and some 4,000,000 km2 of sea down here...”
The UK doesn't claim it, the UK owns it, by the same logic whereby Argentina owns Argentina, but with the important nuance that none of it was stolen from anybody who was already there.
“Thirdly..., the Engrish are not open to an acceptable settlement in the South Atlantic... Unless, of course, you consider a plain “Bugger Off Dagos” as an acceptable settlement...”
Argentina couldn't even negotiate an acceptable settlement when confronted with the most junta-friendly of any British government, which actually wanted to hand the islands over. Now having started a war instead, and 1000 deaths later, when it is politically impossible for any British government to accede to any demand and survive, Argentina apparently believes it can negotiate the surrender of the victor by refusing to talk. The only conceivable responses to this slef-absorbed nonsense all end in “Off!”.
#11
Oct 25th, 2014 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 010 x 100 megaton bombs might just do it. Being facetious....would probably take more than that.
#22
But NOT the 1,800,000 km2 of land and 4,000,000 km2 of Sea that the Engrish Crown pretends to dominate .
I have noted 2 errors in your post.
1) British Crown NOT English.
2) Your keyboard has a fault in it as you keep using the letter “r” instead of “l” when you spell English...or is it just an affectation?
However, I am puzzled by the figure of 1,800,00 square kms. the British Crown pretends to dominate. Could you enlighten me of the whereabouts of the actual territory involved.
Are you saying it should be dominated by Argentina ?
We don't differentiate between Highlander, Lowlander and Borderer here.
We are all Scots/British. A West coaster would be a more appropriate term.
(27) Clyde15
Oct 25th, 2014 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We don't differentiate between Highlander, Lowlander and Borderer here.”, you say...
well...... Call me Ol' Fashioned.....
“well...... Call me Ol' Fashioned.....”
Oct 25th, 2014 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well that explains the fractions, if not the 1/10th
So glad to see Think supporting international arbitration of Argentina's sovereignty dispute.
Oct 25th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bravo DerkeBlake
No parts made here, assembled in Bariloche.. no manufacturing..
Oct 25th, 2014 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the satellite off the radar already guys? Or is it beaming TeleSur hardcore political porn direct to your living rooms as we speak?
Oct 26th, 2014 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Derke 'Only one slight clarification. This specific segment of the project was executed by the integral bipropellant propulsion system of the Arsat-1 satellite, which is used to maneuver itself into (and maintain) it's position in geostationary orbit (and is often the limiting factor relative to the life of a geo satellite). It was purchased off-the-shelf from EADS Astrium (Airbus) in France (same as the lift vehicle). The “built entirely with local parts” is an error.'
Oct 26th, 2014 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0So really, this Arse-hat sat is just like those RG electronic devices 'made' in Ushuaia
@25 Think
Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not convinced that it's relevant, but is that actually factually correct?
“A bit like them 2,500 British Citizens, most of them British Born”
Do you mean born in the UK, or born in the “British” Falkland Islands?
Besides, I really don;t believe in tenure with regards to citizenship; I sincerely believe that a citizen of 1 day is the same as a citizen whom can trance his lineage back three hundred years? Your president and foreign minister would agree with that, I am certain.
Also, I didn't realize that you were authorized to negotiate on behalf of your government? So Argentina would happily and legally contradict their constitution, and cede 250 km2 of land to the Falklands Government? You must be a very powerful person.
Cheers, Just back from salsa lessons and a little drunk and incoherent. Still not too bad, eh?
D
A few days ago, a troll whose pseudonym I don't remember said Arsat would fail to reach its position.
Oct 26th, 2014 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I fail to see now anybody predicting the next failure of the batteries or the solar panels.
Instead, I see a lot of space taken by other topics, apparently more deserving of comment than this historical achievement of Argentina towards reducing its technological, foreign dependency.
Nestor and Cristina have achieved more in the last decade than all the previous governments achieved in the last 50 years.
Congratulations on the satellite Enrique, you can be proud.
Oct 26th, 2014 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now is there enough money left to pay British Gas the $244 million still owing?
Any news on that?
(34) DerkeBlake
Oct 26th, 2014 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0My information is factually correct and quite relevant indeed...
More than 50% of the British Citizens in Malvinas are born in the Northern Hemisphere..., more specifically in England, Scotland & Wales....
But don't take my word for it... Google onto their own official census... on their own official local government webpage...
I don't believe so much in citizenship tenure either...
But, what's it's relevance in the Malvinas issue?
A newly arrived Engrishman to them Islands is, in regard to citizenship, exactly the same as one of the very few Kelpers that can trace a 150 years lineage in Malvinas...
They are both full blown British Citizens...
For your info..., much better offers than the above mentioned have been historically presented by Argentina to the Engrish....
Their answer?...:
“Bugger off”
Again.... Don' take my word for it.... Google it.
I Think is time that you admit to yourself that, in respect to the Malvinas Issue, you are NOT that “Impartial Observer” you like to think you are, but a typical brainwased Anglo, cherry picking information to try to justify the unjustifiable...
Wonder what your position is on the Iraqi Issue...
Or on the Afghani Issue...
The Lybian Issue?
Syria?
@ 11 Lunatic
Oct 26th, 2014 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“we haven't yet developed a launcher capable of lifting a whole County”
Even if you did (ha, ha, ha) it would be the first. The argie space junk was lifted on a mule, one that worked, so nothing at all to do with the argie effort.
“The Arsat-1 is Argentina's first geostationary satellite built entirely with local parts, that will provide telecommunication services for a vast range of territory in South America.”
This is laughable and likely to be the reason the thing has a short life, if it works at all. Everybody else building satellites uses parts from the most reliable performance source, nothing else makes sense.
But we will see what we will see, as they say.
(7) Jo Bloggs
Oct 26th, 2014 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
” Lance (Me army mate) thought the whole film (Die Hard) was spoiled by the fact that the character John Mclane at one stage fired 15 shots without changing mags with a Beretta 92F that was clearly loaded with a 13 round mag. Obvious because the 20 round mag protrudes out of the grip.”
I say...:
Jo, matey....
You know me...
I can't let this one pass...
I luuuuv spoiling your incorrect Kelper stories....
Your army mate..., Lance..., could have enjoyed the movie in full .... IF he ever had had a Beretta 92F in his hands....
The STANDARD magazine for that pistol was...and is... a FIFTEEN (15) ROUNDS one!
Chuckle chuckle...
@37 El Think
Oct 26th, 2014 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no use rehashing what has already been pointed out. The facts prove that I've been 100% accurate. That said:
- Yes, I am probably bias on the Falk-Mal issue; as I believe the Pascoe-Pepper paper is the cleanest outline that I have read on the issue. I have not seen anyone accurately refute their paper or facts (although I admit that if there was such a paper in Spanish, my comprehension skills could probably not do it justice. My Spanish is no where near as good as your English).
- You were the one that referenced (@21) indigenous peoples with respect to the English squatting on the Malvinas, NOT ME (this, despite there being no indigenous people on the islands to begin with). Besides, despite my paternal grandmother being 100% Mohawk, I believe the concept is out-dated and completely indefinable (as displayed in those links I sent you yesterday).
- I have just read the census. Not only is majority of the population (sans Mount Pleasant Airport; which only exists thanks to Argentina, by-the-way) born on the islands; only about a quarter were born in the “northern hemisphere” . Here is the census link that YOU asked me to reference:
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/assets/79-13P.pdf
(You're not seriously going to try and rebuttal that by saying that the military personnel at MPA count as Islanders?).
Once again, I have no idea why this would matter. The majority of adults in my Canadian city were born in another country. I really don't care. I would think that “place of birth” would/should be irrelevant, particularly to an Argentine. Glass houses.
Most importantly, you don't address my last point. How can any representative of the Argentine government legally “negotiate” contrary to their constitution. Maybe Argentina has a different definition of “constitution”?
BTW How did a nice little link about artificial orbital chucks (a personal interest of mine) get side-tracked into this? It seems to be a predetermined theme on these boards.
(40) Derke Blake
Oct 26th, 2014 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please read the specific paragraph of the Census again...
“59% identify themselves as Falkland Islanders”, it says...
My honourable compatriot, Mr. Kohen describes the trick as follows...:
“”“ The manipulation of the latest census is blatant. As the majority of the inhabitants were not even born on the islands, the British authorities did not provide this information initially. In place of this, they provided information on how individual islanders identified themselves in terms of their “national identity”. The “result” was that 59% responded “Falkland Islander” and 29% “British”. This clearly shows that many of those who define themselves as “Islanders” are in actual fact British citizens having arrived from the United Kingdom. Indeed, many of them are the supposed “spokespersons” for the inhabitants, either as governmental or legislative representatives or as opinion makers in the islands’ media.”“”
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/10/22/the-falkland-malvinas-islands-and-the-right-of-peoples-to-self-determination
If you wish, you could Google the Malvinas 2006 Census....
You will find that, as in Canada, there has been a sudden explosion in the indigenous population...
@40
Oct 26th, 2014 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are most welcome here. Just do be aware that certain posterss have a great habit of deflection, side-tracking and 'whataboutery'.
That said however, sometimes the threads do go off on interesting tangents. I guess it's just an interweb thingy...
@41 Think
Oct 26th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are mistaken. You are seeing what you want to see. Page 15, “Place of Birth & Sex”. 53.5% were born on the Islands. End of.
Whatever someone “identifies themselves as” is irrelevant; it's not factual. Place of birth is factual.
Regardless though, as I said earlier, where someone is born, or what they identify themselves as, is irrelevant to this issue. A complete red herring. I couldn't care less from where someone originates.
Pleasure communicating with you. Really must go and make something out of this Sunday.
D
“Just do be aware that certain posters have a great habit of deflection, side-tracking and whataboutery...,”
Oct 26th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says the Anglo Turnip at (42), best known for posting hysterical diatribes against Venezuela in each an every thread on MercoPress...
By the way, Mr Ilsen.... How is the “Popular Uprising” going in Venezuela?
Chuckle chuckle
@ 39 Lunatic
Oct 26th, 2014 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These are the FACTS about the magazines supplied with the M9, the US Military personal defence pistol since its adoption:
The first and all subsequent deliveries of Beretta 92f pistols which met the 1990 M9 specification had 15 round magazines (9mm NATO) which gives a battle capacity of SIXTEEN SHOTS (ONE in the chamber).
An M9A1 variant has been issued for desert warfare which uses a PVD coated magazine for sand tolerance and adopts a modified cartridge tube stack to eliminate sand having access to the stacked rounds but retains the 15 round / 16 shot capacity.
Meantime a civilian model 92A1 in 9mm (NATO) has a magazine capacity of 17 rounds / 18 shots. I imagine some of these new magazines have 'found' their way into military use.
Source Beretta.
Meanwhile the argentine secret satellite is doing well,
Oct 26th, 2014 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0gathering information on military movements in the south Atlantic,
??????????????
you guys surely did not believe the argentines that it will provide telecommunication services for a vast range of territory in South America.
still,
do you believe them or not, lol
(43) DerkeBlake
Oct 26th, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope..., you are mistaken. You are seeing what you want to see. Page 15, “Place of Birth & Sex”... :47,1 % were born on the Islands. End of.
Disregarding the CIVILIAN resident population working at them Islands absolutely biggest working place (Mount Pleasant Military Base) is just cheap statistical trickery to accomplish the results the Engrish Crown wants ...
I guess that if you statistically disregarded the Chinese, the East Indians, the Ukrainians, the Poles etc, etc, etc, Canada would look quite more Anglo...
Enjoy your Sunday...
@44
Oct 26th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It maybe said that I am not awfully keen on the present incumbents of the Venezuelan administrtation, well, the regime, to be exact.
'hysterical'? well, that is subjective. I accept I am biased due to the suffering they are causing that does affect me personally.
'against Venezuela'? No. I love the country, that is why I am against the regime.
Not that any of this would stop you trying to needle others just to get some attention...
well done!
TWIMC
Oct 26th, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To accomplish the results the Engrish Crown wants ...
Better than what …arrogantina wants….
@47 El Think
Oct 26th, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My eyes are too old to do this on my phone, but here goes.
a) You said (@25) “most of them British Born”.
b) I politely asked (@34)you if that was “factually correct”.
c) You said it was (@37), but “But don't take my word for it... Google onto their own official census... on their own official local government webpage” (you left out the link; very convenient, but I”ll take it as an honest omission).
d) I did, and your own reference proved you to be factually incorrect; which I pointed out (@40).
www.falklands.gov.fk/assets/79-13P.pdf page 15
e) You then attempt to back-peddle by discrediting your own, original source that you were using to make your point (@41).
f) @47 - Even including the civilians at Mount Pleasant, only 28% were born in the UK (or “Northern Hemisphere”); so you are still incorrect (28% does STILL not constituent “most” by my math).
Time for you to run-up the white flag on this one, kind sir. No shame. I've done it multiple times myself.
Now please, I have a hike to finish (a dog to find) and a roast to get into the oven.
Hope all is well with you and yours.
Cheers!
D
All well with the dogs, thanks...
Oct 26th, 2014 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No need to find them though...
They find me. When hungry...
I can't and won't discuss against maths...
Evidently, I remembered wrongly (note to myself...: Remember to check your facts, Ol' un) ...
But the fact remains that them Kelpers are a minority in them Islands AND that the whole bloody place is crawling with Poms ...
@50
Oct 26th, 2014 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did mention the maths. Metrics and fractions don't make good bedfellows : )
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/462264.stm
Well... well... well...
Oct 26th, 2014 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dilma just won in Brazil...
Who would have guessed it...
Now, we wait for Tabaré in Uruguay...
Think can the USA claim cuba as their own, if the choice to under the same premise as Argentina does the Falklands? I mean. 90 miles away...“implanted” population. Like the islands. AND south america.....plus we fought for their independence AND paid for it. Seems cuba is more the USA then the Falklands are Argentinas.
Oct 26th, 2014 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 027
Oct 26th, 2014 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....“We don't differentiate between Highlander, Lowlander and Borderer here. ”
Ah....not quite true Clyde...
...don't forget those Teuchters....
Arriba Dilma!
Oct 27th, 2014 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another mandate to deepen the transformation of beautiful Brazil. Latin America is decidedly changing, to the desperation of the retrograde oligarchies and their allies that include the dominant media.
Yes LA is changing and the idiots steering as taken the clueless to the iceberg at increasing speeds.
Oct 27th, 2014 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0#55
Oct 27th, 2014 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe on the Cowal peninsula but it is a term which seems to have gone into disuse.
Saw PB at Benmore on 23d at the the new gates and then went up for a look at the new building in the Chilean glade BEFORE it was opened officially.
Blairmore for a coffee and then a look at the Kilmun visitor centre in the church.
Congrats to all those genuinely involved in the project; let´s hope there are more to come.
Oct 27th, 2014 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 039 Think
Oct 28th, 2014 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL! You dumb deadbeat! I don't know the first thing about a Beretta 92F and nor do I claim to. That's the point. While we were all enjoying the movie with the action and classis one-liners, Lance was obsessed with the weapons. The only one I recognised in the whole film was the M16 and that's about as recognisable as a Land Rover Defender.
Yep, you sure proved me wrong AGAIN Think. Another false Kelper story! LOL! Something tells me you're still upset with me for exposing you as a puppet master when you were masquerading as doveoverdover. FFS, ex-naval officer, wife shopping at Waitrose, drove a County 90 in the Falklands, campaigning for veterans' pensions and going to the local RBL every Sunday. Bahahahahahahahahaha!
Another cruise ship in today. That's 5 now if I counted properly. The first one in last week was the Argentine-owned Ushuaia. Argentine-captained, Argentine-crewed and flying the Falklands flag in Stanley Harbour. Isn't that against the law in Argentina? Or hasn't TMBOA made that law up yet?
Chuckle chuckle.
“”“Nestor and Cristina have achieved more in the last decade than all the previous governments achieved in the last 50 years”“””
Oct 28th, 2014 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0which goes to show how f-all the previous 50 years of government achieved...
@53 El Think
Oct 28th, 2014 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Re: Jo Bloggs @ 60 “exposing/masquerading”
Please El Think. To quote Charley Owens, “Say it ain't so, Joe”.
I had a very enjoyable and gentlemanly correspondence with you yesterday.
As a newbie on these boards, please tell me I didn't waste part of my weekend posting to an imposter. I'm so stupidly naive that I even feel compelled to use my real name when I post (it would take anyone about 10 minutes to hunt me down online).
I'm shattered if such is true (being the fickle and insecure guy that I am).
Cheers,
D
62 Derke Blake
Oct 28th, 2014 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The guy who calls himself Think uses multiple characters on here. He seems to have retired doveoverdover but not until about 6 months after being exposed as a fake. He also uses “Voice” and most likely several others that I can't be bothered to follow. I think he used to use “Surfer” and perhaps “Chicuero” also.
@62 Jo Bloggs
Oct 28th, 2014 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is very disappointing indeed. I'm neither smart enough to attempt, or warped sufficiently to understand the motive. I'll try to apply the lesson learned. Cheers D
Al mentiroso le conviene ser memorioso.
No surprise there. Ever so 'umble.. : )
Oct 28th, 2014 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 062
Oct 28th, 2014 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking of impostors...
Who is this Jo Bloggs...trying to impersonate this JOE Bloggs!!
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/07/05/the-economist-on-argentina-the-luis-suarez-of-international-finance#comment336797
No one uses Voice...a few have tried and you may have noticed one of these pretenders “The Voice” still lurking after his failed attempt to impersonate.
Take no notice of them....if someone disagrees with the general consensus they “must” be a puppet....
Canadian huh!...I notice with interest that you use the “our” as in honour, but use the “iz: as in realize instead of ”is” UK English.....;-)
Hahahah...are you reading this Troll “Puppet” Tempest...”(Canadian)”
....doh!...I don't like to say I told you so...but..actually I do....
...wait a minute....this is a bit of a convenient coincidence....
........Oh no..I've been had!!!!
62) DerkeBlake
Oct 28th, 2014 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must admit I had to Google “Charley Owens” to understand your request...
And I can sincerely say...: It ain't so, Derke.
I thought I spotted an intelligent life form at comments (3), (6) & (8) and choose to make contact...
I spotted correctly,
Anyhow... to be perfectly clear...:
There is only one “El Think” and that's me...
I don't post under no “Nom de Guerre”, “Nom de Plume” nor any other “Nom”....
I have corresponded with several sensible individuals in here at MercoPress during the last couple of years..., most of them with quite divergent standpoints from my own...
I do not why, but Kelper Jo Bloggs (63) confounds me often with some of them, for example...:
Mr. DoveOverDover, Scottish retired Royal Navy Commander who takes long walks along the white Cliffs of Dover with is dogs, Nelson & Nigger...
Agreeable chap, I would surely enjoy his company at the pub...
Mr. Voice, nationality unknown, lives in Scotland... Poster Mr. Clyde15 at (10) & (17) could vouch for him..., they are practically neighbours...
Another agreeable chap, I would surely enjoy his company at the pub...
Mr. Chicureo..., retired navy officer from Chile. I can't remember him ever informing his rank... Loves-hates us Argies with a passion...
Yet another agreeable chap, I would surely enjoy his company at the pub...
Mr. Enrique Massot (35) & (56) ..., Argie polymath who lives in Canada... posts under his real name too... You can Google him...
Yet again an agreeable chap, I would surely enjoy his company at the pub...
The list is long and I don't want to bore you....
Let me just say that I don't Think you wasted your time this weekend.... I certainly didn't...
Regards
El Think
Chubut, Patagonia Argentina.
Not so 'umble.. : )
Oct 28th, 2014 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uriah Heep...?
Oct 28th, 2014 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0100 %.. 10/10 for the non metricised. : )
Oct 28th, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PS that's 10 x 1/10 for some....
@67 El Think
Oct 28th, 2014 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My sincere gratitude for the walk round the classroom. Quite an eclectic bunch. You've restored my faith and I feel much better about my Sunday; although my postings over at “Argentina grants refugee status” haven't hit pay-dirt as yet. Alas I fear I'm going to have to give up on getting anything coherent out of Nostrum. What a sad and angry (young?) man. It pains me to see such.
If you're ever in Vancouver (or more precisely, West Vancouver), I'd be more than happy to buy you a pint and have a chat.
@69 Voice
Very well done indeed. I missed it completely. (Kudos to Trunce).
@62 Voice
Anyway, as for the spelling, yes, I use colour, humour, neighbourhood etc; and I still call a couch a chesterfield. I use a Robertson screwdriver, park in a parkade, occasionally carry a mickey, drink pop (not soda) and homo milk, eat tuna (not tuna-fish), buy beer in a two-four, liquor in a forty-pounder, have full healthcare and am always unarmed.
I'm also a Canadian conservative politically, which puts me somewhere to left of most American “Democrats”. Oh yeah, I say “eh” way too often, and am far too polite for my own good.
Plus I could never impersonate anyone else on here or anywhere; I use waaaaaaaaay too many semi-colons. You could spot me a mile away.
Cheers,
D
(71) DerkeBlake
Oct 28th, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The bonhomie you just showed at (71) will probably provoke some of the Turnips in here to accuse you of being one of El Think's many sock puppets...
Remember..., you aren't!
;-)))
@72
Oct 28th, 2014 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will do.
Cheers,
El Think
(crap, I meant Derke, sorry)
73. You'll find that some of the posters often forget which side of the Atlantic they are on.
Oct 28th, 2014 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The lies become pretty elaborate and they get tripped up now and again so they disappear for awhile hoping we'll all forget.
You'll also notice that there are some posters that all happen to be on the same time, gone for the exact same days and then pop up again in unison. Amazing how that works.
:)
Says the Yank...that won't say where he is in Yankeeville.....
Oct 28th, 2014 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Think.....Chubut, Patagonia Argentina.
Voice...Holy Loch, Scotland.
Mr. DerkeBlake....West Vancouver.
Yankeeboy......?
Ho hum....;-)
@75 Voice
Oct 29th, 2014 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Horseshoe Bay, to be precise. I'll happily buy anyone from these boards a pint in the Troller, if you're ever my neighbourhood; or just catching the ferry from here to Nanaimo.; or landing from Departure Bay. Nothing but friends we haven't met yet.
derkeblake@gmail.com
http://news.yahoo.com/commercial-supply-rocket-explodes-liftoff-224100998.html
Oct 29th, 2014 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's why we hired the EUians for our launch....
That footage is embarrassing! What kind of “superpower” has rockets explode like that? I can't remember the last time China, or Russia, or the Japanese, or even the EUians had one of those!
hahaha
Whilst I appreciate your comment is trolling - it is also wrong.
Oct 29th, 2014 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here is a list of launch failures. It does not include two recents - a Russian failure in May and the Antares.
http://www.sat-nd.com/launchfailures/
http://www.sat-nd.com/launchfailures/
#77
Oct 29th, 2014 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0For a start, China, Russia never publicised launch failures. Also, the launch was made by a commercial company not NASA.
If you followed the news about space, you would have seen that the USA had put a remote controlled space craft secretly into orbit for two years and successfully brought it back to Earth. That's the kind of superpower you are dealing with. It puts your piddly little satellite into perspective.
By the way, why did you choose a European satellite launcher to get your object into space. Can't you build one of your own ? I thought that you wanted nothing to do with Europe but had to come for help. What an ignominious climb down.
We also have 8 launch sites but most only heard of one and now recently two. Space is a dangerous venture taken for granted.
Oct 29th, 2014 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Troy this is Wallops Island site I was telling you and US Air Force down on Chincoteague.
@79
Oct 29th, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina was forced into giving up its rocketry in the 1980s, by guess who? That is how the NorthAmians seek to keep all power to themselves, by squashing everyone else. Otherwise we would have our own rocket launcher by now, and you wouldn't be able to insult us for it.
This is the typical Anglo, EUian, NorthAmian behavior: stop anyone else from becoming prosperous, or developing technology (i.e. North Korea, Iran), and then make fun of them for being backwards and not having the technology you arm-wrestled from them. Truly the lowest of the low you “people”.
The secret plane is no big deal, it is no different than a satellite, and certainly not as impressive as a space probe being operated across millions of kilometers.
I love how sometimes you say we have zero influence in South America then in the next breath your saying we are “keepin ya down”
Oct 29th, 2014 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor, dumb people think that all the time
They're always “blamin' da man” for their miserable existence
BTW I hear the blackouts are spreading countrywide
Blocks of people are using small diesel generators to keep the electricity on. It must smell lovely. I wonder what will happen when you can't buy Diesel any longer?
snicker
#81
Oct 29th, 2014 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No big deal ? Who else has the technology to do it ? What technology on a space probe is more advanced than that used in the Bell X-37, do you have a special insight ?
So, you think it is OK for N.Korea to develop missile technology to carry nuclear weapons when it's regime is a dangerous basket case and is threatening to launch a nuclear missile at the USA..
IRAN's stated aim is the destruction of the state of Israel which would lead to WW3. We should encourage this ?
How could the USA prevent Argentina from building rockets ? The technology is known...India, China , Japan have built theirs. What stopped you ?
As usual, you side stepped my awkward question about why you used a launcher from the despised and hated EU. You could have made a deal with your new best friend Putin, in Russia, or are they also part of the whole world that you despise but cannot live without.
@81
Oct 29th, 2014 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina wasn't forced to give up its rocketry in the 1980s, and it is still doing rocketry. It did abandon the Condor-II missile it was developing with Egypt and Iraq when it joined when it joined the the voluntary Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) , whose aim sto limit the spread of ballistic missiles and other unmanned delivery systems that could be used for chemical, biological, and nuclear attacks.
http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/mtcr
Why exactly was Argentina developing with Iraq and Egypt a ballistic missile that could be used for chemical, biological, and nuclear attacks?
@81 HansNiesund
Oct 29th, 2014 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How dare you confuse people with the facts. Just who the hell do you think you are to screw things up with the truth.
You haven't been following the narrative, have you?
@85
Oct 29th, 2014 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tobi's an excellent comedian, but sometimes he needs a straight man.
@86 Hans
Oct 30th, 2014 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I apologize. That makes sense.
Turnip at (86)
Oct 30th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This lad, Toby and all his reincarnations ending with “Troll” excel at being.....................................Trolls.
But..., when they aren't..., they muster a fascinating form of maturity for their age....
Many of us could learn a thing or two about their ideas about the management of ones time..., ones money..., ones brains..., ones women..., etc..., etc...etc.
Keep the good work, Toby.
;-)
@88
Oct 30th, 2014 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Many of us could learn a thing or two about their ideas about the management of ones time..., ones money..., ones brains..., ones women..., etc..., etc...etc.”
All right, no problem, you can be a straight man for Toby too, I don't mind.
Anyone remember which Rgidiot was going on and on about how bondholders would flock to BA to receive their bond interest payment?
Oct 30th, 2014 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It had to be one of the complete morons like Think, Voice, Marcos, British Bomber...I just can't remember.
Not one payment was requested under Rg law from Banco Nacion.
NOT ONE
Bahahahaha
Psst...told ya.
Boy those UK'rs and Malvinistas of course going to poo poo anything coming out of South America. Any technical advances made by LATAM is just another chip from the technology gap that was previously enjoyed. So there it sits, working just fine. I am sure that the BM portion will fully be resumed before long.
Oct 31st, 2014 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0USAF ali mo moni is back....the make believe airman....or was it an officer? What was your last flight in USAF ali?
Oct 31st, 2014 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0#91
Oct 31st, 2014 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your terminology is incorrect . A Malvanista is an Argentinian who wrongly supports and promulgates the indoctrinated belief that the Falklands belong to Argentina.
I would not say that S.America could not produce technical advances but it will not happen in a short time scale envisaged by some of your fellow posters.
By the way, is it not time to give up on your“American” pseudonym. I would take your posts more seriously if at least you were honest in your nationality.
Clyde -
Oct 31st, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please note that the Malvinas/'Falklands' should be resolved in a timely and peaceful manner. The UK and the 'Falklanders' should really realize that they do not have a clear title and there are many cases that I have presented from European international lawyers to the fact and yet, not one admission from a single poster here to admit a fault in UK or 'Falkland' title.
The fact that you people in the 'Falkland' camp are unable to fathom that someone from the US, and the military to boot is amicable to either outcome is a slap in your face. It has been to hostile arrogant posts from most pro 'Falkland' people that has me enjoying the slugfest. Look like Cptn Poopstain is coming off his meds again and will be posting some vulgarities as usual.
#94
Oct 31st, 2014 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please note, the Falklands WAS resolved again in favour of the UK in 1982.
It's up to Argentina to take the case to the ICJ if they are so sure of their title.
You are not amicable to either outcome but have peddled the Argentinian “case” 100% which gives everyone the strong impression that you are anything BUT an “unbiased” serving member of the USAF.
Any questions about your military identity you claim as “official secrets” or I am being watched by you -know-who and cannot reveal even the slightest detail.
You said I was English and 80 years old. I asked you what makes you believe that. My question was ignored. You seem very selective in your replies.
Why I think you are a fake is because, I have seen some of your replies almost word for word from pro Argie posters over the last few years.
@94, @95
Oct 31st, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where's Think when you need him? You'd Think he be willing to give his compatriot some lessons in the elementary basics of impersonation and sock puppetry. As it is, this is like watching Tommy Cooper trying to do magic, as if he was serious. Think certainly dropped plenty of clangers when he was working the Commander, but at least he managed to keep a modicum of doubt going long enough for it to be entertaining.
Clyde - My bias developed very quickly when the pro Brits, Scots, UKrs what ever the heck you want to call them started with the War of 1812. The UK/GB side on this forum actually believe that this old War was a US excuse to invade Canada - really?? Impressing US citizens in the Royal Navy wasn't excuse enough. Try that crap now to the tune of 8000 people and see where it gets you... Clyde - I think you said you were Scot, have an arthritic shoulder and elderly based upon your posts. Believe what you want, if you say I am fake, ok, this is an anonymous post.
Nov 01st, 2014 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here is some mud on the English title, why I won't give tacit UK support:
Argentine government dispatched Luis Vernet and other settlers to establish a settlement on the East Falkland, later called Port Louis. He paid English captain, Matthew Brisbane to patrol the coast and collect dues on the whaling vessels frequenting the Falklands.Argentina also attempted to place a penal colony there. Afterwards, Britain dispatched HMS Clio under Captain John James Onslow to claim British control of the Falklands. There Onslow found LTC Jose Pinedo there and removed Pinedo and his men by force.......and if you don't think this about oil, then I have a bridge in NY that I'd like to sell you.
That is a lot of mud Clyde. This Argentina deal is not going away and you pro Brits will have to deal with this. No matter how slanted your British or myopic view may be. That is not clear title and those people were forcibly removed. Clyde please note that I will answer your questions, but not that goose stepping Panzer driver, he should get a clue by now.
@97
Nov 01st, 2014 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Holy Shit, I didn't know Mel Gibson also did a movie about Luis Vernet.
#97
Nov 01st, 2014 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You pretend to be unbiased, well read this account of the 1812 war, or, better still, ask the Canadianspbs.what is THEIR feeling about it.
org/wned/war-of-1812/essays/british-perspective/
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“to claim British control of the Falklands.” should be to RECLAIM British control of the Falklands..
I would say that the British title preceded that of Argentina which did not even exist as a country when the British first landed.
Back to the old chestnut, Argentina is free to take the matter to the ICJ .
If it's case is watertight then their is nothing to lose.
Argentina has taken everyone else to the ICJ why not the UK USAF?
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