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Cristina Fernandez challenged to show her law degree and Timerman described as a 'traitor'

Saturday, October 25th 2014 - 09:44 UTC
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A colloquium sponsored by an Argentine business grouping, IDEA, that has been critical of the government of Cristina Fernandez, but in a framework of moderation and self containment, turned into a students' open assembly when a constitutional law professor gave a speech on the rule of the law, called on President Cristina Fernandez to show her law degree and described minister Hector Timerman as a 'traitor' of the essence of Judaism for having reached an agreement with Iran. Read full article


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  • hurricane

    Well what do you know, there is one man's man in Argentina. I'm clapping.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic


    Oct 25th, 2014 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Sabsay for president!

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Incredible bravery from this guy.

    I see a “helpful” tax inspection coming, followed by a jail sentence for tax evasion.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Finally. Someone is speaking out, including Marcelo Tinelli. The government is not happy I am sure...what kind of hell will they bring down now?

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The gov't is falling apart, you can't run Argentina without a strong Prez, this kind of outburst shows that people aren't afraid of her any longer.
    I've never thought she'd make it through her term.
    Watch what happens after Jan.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    It says a great deal that there was 'several minutes standing ovation and applause for Sabsay'. Bravery all round. Who knows how many Campora were there?

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “Finally. Someone is speaking out, including Marcelo Tinelli. The government is not happy I am sure...what kind of hell will they bring down now?”

    there is a lot of public people and politicians who are speaking out.
    and marcelo tinelli is one of the partners of cristóbal lópez.
    you know cristobal lópez, kirchner´s partner?
    then shut it and opine only about canada, you 1/2wit.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    “marcelo tinelli is one of the partners of cristóbal lópez.
    you know cristobal lópez, kirchner´s partner?”

    Sounds like the man is tired of being forced to make “protection payments.”

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Finally an Argentinian steps up. Well done!

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I am sure Maximo will be knocking up a fake certificate on the computer for his Mama.

    Why do Argentine trolls object to people commenting on an English language message board that is here for that exact reason; for us to comment on the news stories posted here? If they can't take the criticism maybe they should not read the comments.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    Unless he is able to reference history correctly, this man would be a danger to the Falkland Islands, unless he would be sensible enough to talk with them, get trade and therefore make money out of them.

    For Argentina's sake this sounds like a guy that could face up to their problems and sort them out.
    Though of course a more successful Argentina is less likely to use the Falklands a s a diversion for their own failure, and perhaps the guy will even see sense.

    Of course he may not be a danger to the Islanders if he can tear himself away from the flawed mantra that ignores history and UN regulations, he may not be a danger.

    One thing's for sure, he would not make Argentina such a joke as they are now, and for him the thought of the world champion salad dodger taking over his country must be abhorrent, as Argentina would need plane loads of food aid just to feed Maximo.

    Still, if Maximo got power it would ensure the Falkland Islands press on with a bright future.

    Glad to see he told Gollum like it is and it will be interesting to see if the 'law degree' appears.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    See a type 45 is on it's way South HMS Dragon stand by for much shouting and gesticulation about us militarizing the south atlantic

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    13 Slattzzz

    Correction: a Type 45 is on its way 'to support enemies of CFK like Daniel Sabsay', will be the hue andcry of the Argentine government

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Sabsay bravely showing the importance of speaking truth unto power.

    Good man!

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    The 'Thinking people of Argentina' are waking up as they see CFK's weakness - now to stop the power vacuum from being filled by Mad Max or other Peronists!!

    Good job Sabsay - you are doing what is best for your country - what the government SHOULD have been doing !

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    Headline sometime in next weeks news:-

    Professor Daniel Sabsay dies in tragic car crash


    Professor Daniel Sabsay dies at home Police says he was involved in a “Firearm accident”

    If this guy has life insurance, even Donald Trump could not afford to the monthly payments from now on.

    But I am with you guys at 1, 2, 3 and 4 . This guy is showing Incredible bravery by speaking out.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    4 articles in the BA Herald with government goons attacking the IDEA symposium but nothing about the symposium itself....

    This was good..
    BA province Governor Daniel Scioli ...........does not think the kirchnerite economic model is exhausted. “I’m convinced that if we persevere, the best is yet to come,'

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    Deflect, deflect, deflect. Now, where have we seen this before? ;)

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Cristina Fernandez challenged to show her law degree [ she cant ]

    and Timerman described as a 'traitor' [ he is ]

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    When I read about this, I gave the guy a 3 minute standing ovation also. This is going to put the heckles up the olg hag. I think you will find more and more people speaking out and distancing themselves from the sinking K boat.

    Not sure why Macris is such a soft cock and not doing the same kind of speeches.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Sabsay should be encouraged and supported by right-thinking people both home and abroad.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EscoSes 45 Doido

    Respect for Sabsay.
    Wonder how many millions in argentina are like minded, but frightened to say?

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen


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  • downunder

    ”I'm ashamed of the foreign minister we have. He is a traitor.................. and I'm saying this as a Jew, and Timerman a Jew reached a memorandum of understanding with him”.

    Well said Sir! It's good to see that an Argentine has the courage to call out their loathsome foreign minister.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Yes he is a loathsome creature. Betrays his race as a Jew and an Argentine. .Herr Timmerman von Ribbentrop? Perhaps as a Nazi he should recall the fate of Ribbentrop. Sentenced to be hanged at the Nuremburg Tribunals.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    nabous and boludous various:
    this guy is a good constitucionalista.
    now, he is not the only one who speaks out against the govt.
    where the f/ck did you get it?

    and those public discourses are more pour la galerie.
    the ones who are really fighting against government´s corruption are judges like fernández and herrero, some prosecutors like campagnoli, journalists like alconada mon, etc.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • albinita

    Come on IDEA, What the fuck are you talking? Judaism is not the same to the fucking everything on the earth. Timmerman play the argentinean goverment game. He is supposed to be a spokeman of a Goverment and its diplomacy statements. Please, don't be confusing. The early bird catches the worm!

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    Cristina is not a lawyer as sure as Obama was not born in the U.S.
    And the troll army squeals in delight! That's it, the Kirchners' end is near (again)!
    If this is all the Argentine opposition can come up with, then the elections in 2015 will be a breeze.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    What is paulcedron doing to bring down Kirchner? Nothing as far as I can see.
    Enrique clearly supports the Kirchner crew, as he is entitled to. He is willing to debate. To stand his ground, to fight his corner.
    paulcedron, who claims to hate the Kirchner crew spends all his time attacking Brits who have very little influence or interest in his future.
    Why don't you debate with Enrique paulie?
    Scared of a real man? Scared of someone who is obviously so far above you, intellectually speaking?

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @27. Who's writing your material now, paulie? Because it's getting more and more disjointed and unintelligible. Not to mention desperate. Have you ever read the requirement at the top of this COMMENTS section - Comments must be in English? But we're not really bothered if statements are intended for the public gallery. It's what Kirchner, Timerman and all the rest do. Haven't yet found an argie politician, minister, government employee or troll that ever tells the truth. Methinks you protest too much.
    @29. What are you trying to say? Obama was born in Honolulu! Two years after Hawaii became the 50th state of the Union. Wouldn't bother about it, Enrique. We're well aware that the argie population doesn't have enough attention span to remember what it did yesterday. If they did, Peronism would be OUT. The people would remember what a crook Kirchner (deceased) was. Anyone found that million US dollars nicked from Santa Cruz yet? And that Kirchner (slut) is doing even better. 16 million dollars she's thieved so far, right? And how much has the fat slob had? Timerman and Puricelli have both wanted to start wars. The joke is that they wanted to start wars with the nation that was victorious in '82 and is now better equipped. Couldn't launch those 200 cruise missiles from submarines in '82. Or the air-launched Storm Shadow. A Typhoon can carry 4 of those. Such a useless, incompetent 'country'. How's the debt going?

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Anti-democratic scum the lot of you. Pathetic.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    HOO-RAH Sabsay......all the way and do not let up!!

    EM-----Obamas mother is a US born national. Regardless of where he was born he would be a US citizen. Just as millions who are born to military members serving overseas, they too are US citizens. But because you geography sucks........FYI......Hawaii is the USA.

    The birthers consipiracy is up there with the moon landing, JFK never died and all the others. You give too much credit to bureaucracies being able to maintain a secret.

    Now they need to start demanding how she became a billionaire while serving the public!!!! Baby steps.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #33 Captain
    A few polite corrections...
    She has never served the public.
    She's not a billionaire unless you denote her wealth in Pesos.
    There IS credible reasons to question that Hawaii is actually the birthplace of Obama.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    Nostrils : Anti democratic scum ? You are right I suppose .
    Argentina is so democratic even the dead get to vote ...
    But only for the FPV .....

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Even Wikipedia is unable to say that Cristina got a law degree.
    They sat that she 'studied law',

    Pretty much the same as Dilma. She never got her postgrad degree in Economics ... and it shows.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Sounds like Venezueala's new ambassador to the UN. The presidential princess, (as she is known there), also has trouble saying exactly what she qualified in, and when, and where....

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    27 paulcedron
    Allow us to introduce you to your equivalent
    brit hater,== 32 Nostrum of NostrolL
    You two will get on like a house on fire,

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    38 Briton

    Quite right!!
    Both are racist Argie-Supremists!!
    Both are braggarts!!
    Both have no future - sold out by their Peronist Government and CFK
    Both blame the British for all their troubles - just like the government tells them to.

    SNOTTY: Loves CFK and Peronist Isolationist mantra - will never hear ill of CFK - he loves her.
    - He thinks the Falklanders are living on their own land, are by rights British, and should be left alone.

    EL NINO “the sh!t”: SAYS he hates CFK and the Peronists.
    - he is a Malvinista who believe the Falklands are Argentine by right, regardless of facts.

    Both say they are CORRECT , and PROUD ARGENTINES.

    Which one is “right”???

    We laugh at both of them, they're idiots!!


    “Argentine Brothers!”

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @32 scum ?.. Well you haven't ever risen to the surface from the benthic anaerobic layer you call home in your polo negro in Mentirozo

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    boring toy
    “Which one is “right”???”

    ...says the dumbest creature on earth.
    surely the poor thing cannot understand that in real countries (not in colonies) there are several opinions, streams of thought, etc and that they can coexist in perfect harmony.

    not a surprise though.
    what can you expect from a fatty old fart, from a pair of islets ruled by a viceroy who was elected by a 150 yo queen, eh?

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Millet

    Looks like the sun is starting to rise over Argentina.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Chico I respectfully disagree:

    A countries executive is “supposed” to serve the public, we we are both correct.

    Billionaire or millionaire remains to be a bone of contention. One thing is certain she has more than her declared assets.

    As for Obama and Hawaii, even IF he was not born there and I find that hard to swallow. Knowing how my government work, though I cannot speak for the Hawaiian government, keeping a secret only works if one person knows it and he is dead.

    Art II sec 1 defines the qualifications of the President and Vice President. The primary being a “Natural Born Citizen” which is defined as ”citizen rights at birth.....and nt defined as location of birth. Senator Cruz was born in Alberta, Canada to a father of a Cuban born and a mother born in Delaware, USA. He is a natural born citizen, just as children born to parents in the military are natural born USA citizens. I choke at the thought but Cruz can run legally for president. So even if Obama (and this in no way supports his policies) was not born in Hawaii, but he was born on Africa or even bum fuck Egypt.....his mother was born in Kansas. But there remains a group of Americans who believe otherwise. I am not one of them........nor do I believe in any of those conspiracy theories.

    Back on point.......I really give two pieces of feces about Kirchner because she is not my nightmare.....but I would love to see her response.


    My condolences to Brazil.....probably better because she will be sailing through a perfect economic storm and she will be at the helm.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Captain, yes but she'll probably sink with the helm as well...

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot


    “Anti-democratic scum the lot of you. Pathetic.”

    Can you expand on that? Could you give an example of what a poster here has written that makes him anti-democracy?

    Or are you just angry?

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro


    So says the would be “El Supremo.” ;)

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    In Snotty's mind, anyone who defied or questions the ruling gov. admin, is “undemocratic”.

    sad that he doesn't understand

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @46 bushpilot

    @32 Nostrum

    I'll save Nostrum the time and give you a quick example of “what a poster here has written that makes him anti-democracy”.

    “Anti-democratic scum the lot of you” - Nostrum, Oct 26th #229

    “F--- democracy” - Nostrum, Oct 5th #229

    Nostrum: You're an enigma, I'll grant you that.

    bushpilot: Yes, I think he's just angry.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0

    The Tax auditing department is going to busy me thinks...............

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    I just threw the Obama's U.S. nationality because those who question it were as ridicule as those who now question the existence of Cristina's law degree.
    And you know what? I could not care less at this point whether she carries or not such degree. Enough seeing her toiling day after day while enduring the flurry of lies, insults and attacks an irrational opposition uses in lieu of real arguments.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    CFK “toiling... ”

    Ha ha ha ROFLMAO !!!!

    Ja ja Ja ..,

    That's a good one!!

    “Enrique”, are you “British Kirchnerist” by any chance???


    Oct 27th, 2014 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Point taken EM but he did produce the certificate.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    That's exactly the way we feel about HER from an UK perspective.
    She lies, insults attacks and uses emotional rhetoric instead of real argumnets

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Nostrills free choripans are coming to an end.
    Maybe he can get a real job instead of being a pagotroll here.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    So EM you do not care if she lied about having a law degree or not?

    Tell me this....why does she not take questions from the media? Because of the Harvard Incident? Or she is too stupid to answer them so she is smart enough to avoid being question? Democracy in action.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    Just for the general information, this is Professor Sabsay's opinion of the Falklands claim:
    Leading Argentine constitutional lawyer Daniel Sabsay is one of several thousand signatories to an open letter which calls for Argentina to consider the rights and opinions of the Falkland Islanders.
    He believes the government's sudden interest in the Falklands is a deliberate distraction from Argentina's increasing problems at home. “This conflict is a mask, something that is useful to hide other problems we have.”

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    Cristina Kirchner is a liar, a fraud, and a shame.

    Show us your law degree, `successful lawyer´, so we all can confirm that you actually own one.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro


    Maybe there's a future for him as a “Chorichorro.” A man's gotta eat.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Merval's off 2.9% on the day. Investor's are showin' their love for South American socialism.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    It was down 5.5% before the floors opened. Wait until Friday. But Dilma went to Home Depot for some knee pads to smooze investors concerns. I am sure they will accept her air up the poop shoot for a while......until oil continues it's crash and agricultural commodities continue it's downward spiral and DFI is booking flights faster that white attaches to rice.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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