MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Over two million Catalans vote in the “consultation of citizens” challenging Madrid
Millions of Catalans voted on Sunday in a symbolic referendum on independence from Spain that supporters hope will propel the issue further despite opposition from Madrid. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSo....1.6 million out of 5.4 million support a referendum with only 1 million supporting Independence....
Nov 10th, 2014 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The undemocratic Spanish are colonial thieves.
Nov 10th, 2014 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Independence for Catalonia!!!!
So much for people saying the vote wouldn't happen. Madrid's obstinance is only fuelling support for independence. The incompetence of the Spanish government is breath taking.
Nov 10th, 2014 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0To get around 2 million people to partake in such a form of protest is amazing and show the support for Madrid to something other than ignore the problem. Because it isn't going away.
When 40% of an electorate turns out to say something then the governments involved need to sit up and take notice.
It also seems that 80% of those that did vote voted in favour of independence. Not hard to see why Madrid is so scared.
@1
Nov 10th, 2014 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Random figures plucked out of your ass, or did you get them from a different source to the one you are commenting on?
Not so sterile and useless that further legal action is being suggested.
Nov 10th, 2014 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish are running scared and should be kicked out of the EU.
The government in Madrid needs to clean itself up and get rid of the rest of the crooks before it has a go at Catalonia.
Nov 10th, 2014 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for Justice Minister Rafael Catala who clearly sees NO justice for the Catalonians, does he really see that threatening further “legal” actions is going to smotthe the feathers down?
Typical Spanish idiot of the type TDC is infested with.
I wonder if Voice will repeat his figures? Or update them?
Nov 10th, 2014 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0With 88 per cent of the votes counted, the turnout reached 2.04m. Officials estimated that the final result would show that at least 2.25m Catalans took part in the consultation. Catalonia has a population of 7.5m, of whom 5.4m are eligible to vote.
Nov 10th, 2014 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1211e7ce-6819-11e4-acc0-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3IfA5oFhJ
Whilst I know that 'things can change' and that countries split, I see little for Spain in having Spain divided.
Nov 10th, 2014 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0In a world where even the largest nations are threatened by 'outside forces', to be a splitter rather than a lumper is a recipe for decline and fall.
PMSL ...@4 and 7..;-)))
Nov 10th, 2014 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read the article again.....
5.4 million potential voters
2 million voted
80% voted in favour of a referendum...1.6 million
50% were in favour of Independence....
50% of 2 million is 1 million.......
Oh dear the standard of folk on this forum leaves a lot to be desired....
I don't know why I am thinking about this now but it made me laugh remembering it;
Nov 10th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When I lived in Argentina and I asked one of my friends why their electricity and phones when out, when it rained, when it was windy, when it was hot, when it was cold, he said he didn't know but the Spanish and Italians built the network.
And for anyone who's ever been to Spain, the electricity goes out when it rains, when it is windy, etc etc
So I said why would you choose a countries that can't manage their own grids to manage yours?
He couldn't answer.
I laughed
@11 Yankeeboy
Nov 10th, 2014 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And for anyone who's ever been to Spain, the electricity goes out when it rains, when it is windy, etc etc ” Really? Have you ever been in Spain? you know, in Europe , near to France,close to Portugal
12. Yep I used to go the Costa Brava for the month August for about a decade until I got bored with it.
Nov 10th, 2014 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It rains the electricity goes out.
Everytime
I guess you've never been there otherwise you'd be able to confirm what I am saying.
“Over two million Catalans vote in the “consultation of citizens” challenging Madrid”
Nov 10th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it is illegal, you morons.
it would be as if the isle of man wants to decide its independence.
it is against the constitution.
you know what a constitution is?
no?
then shut it.
@10
Nov 10th, 2014 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PMSL ...;-)))
Read the article again.....
“Opinion polls show that as many as 80% of Catalans back voting on the issue of Catalonia's status, with about 50% in favor of full independence.”
That is talking about the whole 5.4m that are eligible to vote.
Oh dear the standard of folk on this forum leaves a lot to be desired....
Chuckle chuckle
I was in Spain last month, Costa Blanca.
Nov 10th, 2014 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of the residents I spoke with in that region
did not think Catalonia would gain independence.
We shall see.
Next month, I will be in Chile, Argentina, and celebrating Christmas
and my birthday in Montevideo.
If the UN succeeds in their population relocation plans, then in
the coming decade --- Christmas in South America might be deemed
a racist holiday by the refugees and politically correct leaders will
ban it.... :(
openeyesopinion.com
@13 Yankeeboy
Nov 10th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Born and breed in Castillo de Aro. Talking through your ass mate
15
Nov 10th, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Opinion polls show that as many as 80% of Catalans back voting on the issue of Catalonia's status, with about 50% in favor of full independence.”
Yeah right....if that applied to 80% of the voting population...ie. 5,4 million...
..then why did only 40% vote on the issue.....
I read about this article last night on the BBC website and it said it was organised by the Pro-Independence and the majority of the No voters didn't bother voting as they were not interested and it meant nothing...that would be the silent majority of 60%.....
Does this ring any bells.....The silent majority....??....55/45.....
Its Doomed...doomed.....
“It rains the electricity goes out. ”
Nov 10th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0says the “yankee” boy from the islets...lol
and he says he lives in the u.s. LOL
“Mass power cuts continue in US and Canada after storm”
“More than 500,000 households in the north-eastern US and the south-eastern Canada are still without electricity after last weekend's severe ice storm.”
“Thousands in the dark after ice storms cut power lines in US, Canada”
“Chaos as huge power cut hits America
Hundreds of thousands of people in New York and other cities in the north-eastern United States were left without electricity after they were hit by a massive power cut.
Parts of New York were left gridlocked as traffic in the city ground to a halt.”
#14 paulcedron
Nov 10th, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it is illegal, you morons.
it would be as if the isle of man wants to decide its independence.
it is against the constitution.
you know what a constitution is?
no?
then shut it.”
The recent Scottish independence referendum was only legal because the UK government transferred various powers in 2013. The Spanish government could just as easily (well maybe not) transfer the same powers if they so wished. Clearly the Spanish government doesn't respect self-determination. In this case hiding behind legality is bullshit.
Further, the initial declarations of independence across South America were clearly not legal. Do you think that Argentina et al. should be transferred back to Spain?
You're example about the Isle of Man is actually quite flawed, it's likely in fact they could break ties with the UK without the permission of the UK government.
Me, me.... hand frantically waving from the back....
Nov 10th, 2014 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know what a constitution is.....
It's one of those things the UK doesn't have....
It does not have a documented constitution....
....2 stars for Voice....
19. Do you know the difference between ice and rain?
Nov 10th, 2014 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Methinks not.
A_VoiceofThinks seems to be desperately wanting the Catalonian Independence bid to fail.
Nov 10th, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He was the first to post on this, likely in the middle of the night.
He started off by deliberately muddling the numbers.
I wonder why it's so important to him, Just to be a prick?
Yes yes, we all know - UK has no Constitution... nobody likes a show off.
inthegutter @20 addressed this better than Voicey.
As usual Pablo Cabana talks thru his hat, not knowin' nuffin'
Give us links CabanaBoy!!
toy trolazo
Nov 10th, 2014 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are not very used to do your own job, are you, you parasite?
i already explained you how to do it.
now, do your job, you lazy islander.
Sistah regularly post after midnight.
Nov 10th, 2014 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't that when janitors are done cleaning offices?
Pablo CabanaBoy
Nov 10th, 2014 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't really know what an “ Ice Storm” is do you?
We might get a power outage in a metropolis once or twice a year, during extreme weather, NOT weekly or daily like where you are.
Best read beyond the headlines you are cherry-picking.
BTW, you Nationalists are the real parasites.
*smirk*
@14 paulcedron
Nov 10th, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Isle Of Man is not part of the United Kingdom or European Union, but is a possession of the British Crown with an independent administration. Its inhabitants are British citizens.
Also, the UK doesn't have a constitution. It does however have lots of ct scanners that you seem to be very fond of. Idiot.
People that live in civilized countries don't understand how difficult it is to live well in the 3rd world. There's a reason they're lazy and apathetic. Think if you had to stop working every time it was hot, cold, rainy or windy outside!
Nov 10th, 2014 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't work while I lived in Argentina but I did spend a lot of time on the internet and phone to the USA. It was extremely difficult to make appointments on time or have a set time to start or stop a project. Windy rainy hot or cold something was going to be out either electricity or internet. And if I had to get anywhere for gosh sakes there'd be some violent drumb beating tire burning protestors making it impossible.
I tell my friends visiting don't go if you must get home by a certain date. I got trapped in TDF for 3 days due to strikes and mechanical failures.
Its a mess.
Poor Voice. Always moving the goalposts so he can be right.
Nov 10th, 2014 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK does have a documented constitution in part. It is just not a single document. The Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights, the Act of Settlement and the Parliament Acts are all documents and all part of the constitution.
Just because some parts are also convention doesn't mean that others aren't
Very sloppy for someone who is so pedantic. No stars for you.
As for the figures quoted by Mercopress. Preliminary at best. Again for someone who is so adept at using Google and being pedantic, you really should revisit those numbers.
So far the tally is 2.3 million voters out of the population of 7.5 million. That's more than 30% of the entire population. And voting will continue for another 2 weeks.
I don't know about you, but I've rarely seen nearly 30% of any country mobilise against the express wishes of a government.
But honestly, you couldn't care less either way. As long as you're in the middle of any conversation, you're happy.
As for “50% were in favour of Independence....” You must have missed the part where that said OPINION POLLS.
That wasn't a result of this vote. Idiot.
“Oh dear the standard of folk on this forum leaves a lot to be desired....”
Soon Spain will break up,
Nov 10th, 2014 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What ever your thoughts, it will teach them to stop interfering with British territory in Gibraltar,
What did these dictators expect, what goes around will come around,
Just like Argentina, whilst they are interfering in other peoples land, their own country is going to the dogs,
Rightly or wrongly they will get what they deserve—Nothing.
Spain - no idea how to run a referendum or a democratic plebiscite. Still stuck in the era of Franco and corruption. Shame really as there are some nice Spaniards around.
Nov 10th, 2014 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 029
Nov 11th, 2014 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me just slap you down...slappity slap....
You want pedantic...well here it is.....
Braizier argues:
“…The British constitution is written, but it is not codified into a single official document…Therefore the United Kingdom still lacks a codified constituion…”
Thomas Paine believed that the UK lacked a constitution, he stated in, Rights of Man The Complete Works of Thomas Paine, that the continual use of the word “constituion” in the English parliament shows there is none and there is merely a government without a constitution.
F.F. Ridley, in There is no British constitution: A Dangerous Case of The Emperor’s Clothes, argues:
“…British writers define the constituiton in a way which appears to give us one, even though there is no document to prove it… Constitutions have certain essential characteristics, none of them found in Britain.”
Zip it Skip....zip it good.....;-)
BTW...I'm all for the Catalans getting Independence if that's what they want....but I'm not seeing the majority view through this Indyref....
It's doomed...I tell ya doomed....
23/25
You stupid boy......
1 Voice (#)
Nov 10th, 2014 - 08:19 am
What part of 08:19 am is in the middle of the night....it's first coffee in the morning....
and hot porridge with cool single cream of course.....it's winter....
32 Pedant
Nov 11th, 2014 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anglotino said it best:
“But honestly, you couldn't care less either way. As long as you're in the middle of any conversation, you're happy.”
but boring.
Agreed Troy. You will notice how Voice conveniently forgets about the other part of his post. The one where he misread the article in his haste to comment.
Nov 11th, 2014 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The article:
“Opinion polls show that as many as 80% of Catalans back voting on the issue of Catalonia's status, with about 50% in favor of full independence.”
Voice:
“80% voted in favour of a referendum...1.6 million
50% were in favour of Independence....
50% of 2 million is 1 million.......”
For some people, admitting they are wrong is just the hardest of things.
Now as to the rest. You will note that our dear Voice has become quite adept at moving the goalposts.
Paul says:
“you know what a constitution is?”
Voice replies:
“I know what a constitution is.....
It's one of those things the UK doesn't have....
It does not have a documented constitution....”
After I proved that wrong. He comes back talking about a CODIFIED constitution.
See what he did there.
So the UK went from having NO constitution to having no DOCUMENTED constitution to having no CODIFIED constitution.
I reread my post #29 and nowhere did I say that it had a CODIFIED constitution. I also never said it was documented in a SINGLE document.
What is even more farcical is that Voice actually attempts to argue both sides. He uses Braizier who says there is a constitution and then uses Paine and Ridley to say there isn't a constitution.
I'm sure logical gymnastics work on less intelligent people, but poor Voice just can't fathom that I am more intelligent than he is. I'm probably more arrogant as well, though that is not the point. But what he does beat me in is shouldering an inferiority complex. I just can't get anywhere near that.
Voice, feel free to debate the meaning of the word constitution for as long as you like. I'm happy that yet AGAIN I've made you look like the fool you so desperately attempt to hide.
My work here is done. Slappity slap indeed.
Anglotino, good post!
Nov 11th, 2014 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0He seems not just motivated to generate attention for himself, he likes to anger and irritate others, especially by belittling them - if he can.
I just can't imagine going through life with that being his sole raison d'etre.
Must be an unhappy existence.
How many of you are living in Spain now or even understand properly Spanish? If you are not, how the heck can you provide an objective view about the situation? You can’t, can’t you? Because your opinions are subjective and based on feelings and assumptions. Say no more.
Nov 11th, 2014 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0This article provides a good analysis on the situation http://www.periodistadigital.com/opinion/columnistas/2014/11/10/ahora-desde-la-anormalidad-toca-gestionar-la-normalidad.shtml?utm_source=Periodista+Digital&utm_campaign=fb0204e8a4-PD_Boletin_11_11_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_21056ae85f-fb0204e8a4-161693721
#36, Mole.
Nov 11th, 2014 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess that most people that voted - and most that didn't -
have subjective rather than objective opinions on the matter.
I think someone should do a little bit of research on the Isle of Man....
Nov 11th, 2014 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol...!
Wow Spanish Mole shows that Spaniards are seriously nonplussed by this. They just can't understand why Gibraltans don't want to be part of Spain and now other parts of Spain think the same.
Nov 11th, 2014 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hint. What they both have in common is not wanting to be Spanish.
34
Nov 11th, 2014 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a larf....Skip thinks she's intelligent....;-))))
You don't even have a degree....just starting your way up the education ladder...
It's a common fact, that basically most people take it as a known given that the UK doesn't have a Constitution. It has laws, legislation written, but not codified into a single documented Constitution.
Stop falling off that ladder in a feeble attempt to argue black when I say white...
Apart from your puppet supporting you, everyone else that has a brain knows you are trying to defend the indefensible and coming over as an ignorant prick in the attempt.
A smart Aussie....a friggin oxymoron if I ever heard one....
Get back to your barby mate or do some surfin or traumatise the English language...you know, stuff that Aussies do best....
...and leave the forum to those that are capable of making a statement without it sounding like a question....
God...I hate the Aussie accent....
36
If I remember correctly...and I usually do....you are not in Spain...hence the name Spanish MOLE....
I remember your posts from maybe a year ago....
Living in the UK wasn't it...?...;-)
Nothing wrong with that...but sort of destroys your argument a little....
Sistah, Are you seriously trying to say you DON'T regularly post after Midnight?
Nov 11th, 2014 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on, seriously? We can all see the time stamps.
Why do you try so hard to refute known facts?
It just makes you look like the idiot you clearly are...
BTW Anglotino is smarter than you. You rank with Axel, Sussie, El Diego, all the known liars and halfwits on this board.
Anglotino, The best backtrack is Sistah saying he can get from Pearson, JFK or Dulles to the sh*thole cabin in the redneck PA hills in the same time. Except when it was pointed out that he'd have to go thru customs in Canada, then the story changed and then he was miraculously transported to Niagara NY so the timing kinda worked.
This idiot can't even use Google maps properly.
Much less count above 21.
Any fool would realise my post referred to @1....
Nov 11th, 2014 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well. apart from a dumb Yank and a puppet....
And that is how you upset Voice!
Nov 11th, 2014 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahaha
Nov 11th, 2014 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sistah, Only you were pointing out the 1st post the rest of us are talking about the 1000s of other ones you made in the dead of night...apparently after scrubbing your better's toilets.
Time for a meltdown...3..2..1..
@37 GeoffWard2
Nov 11th, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0good point ,
@39 Anglotino
Let’s not forget this referendum has been declared illegal from our constitutional court because it was the process is not within our constitution . To allow such as referendum it would be necessary to change our constitution and to do that, it will need a formal agreement on the changes between all the political parties with Senatorial seats.
If you want to become independent fine , but follow the rules of the game .
@40 Voice
gotcha! it does in deed ! however I have the luxury of understanding both languages and being in Spain almost every two weeks so yeah , it gives me a much more objective view on the situation than other of our feisty ,lousy associates in here
“It's illegal!” “It's against the constitution!”
Nov 11th, 2014 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scweam scweam. ..
If people don't feel the constitution represents their interests any more, or that certain laws should be repealed, then surely they have the right to protest and demand change?
Throughout the world laws are updated, repealed, new ones are invoked. Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. It is an ongoing process.
As I said earlier I spent a lot of time in Barcelona and the surrounding areas. When I first started going there I didn't even know what Catalan was and cared even less.
Nov 11th, 2014 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boy did I find out what is was and why I should care when I started dating one!
My overall impression is the Catalans hate the Spanish, don't consider themselves Spanish since they think they are inferior, lazy, corrupt and stupid.
Although I do not agree with Balkanization in general, because where does it stop, the Catalans are getting a raw deal, they should at least be autonomous and keep their own tax revenue with a little Federal Sharing.
Spain has always been the maids of the northerners, that's been the way for 100s of years, for a very brief period they were doing well but it looks like they're heading back to the way it has always been.
@40
Nov 11th, 2014 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...and leave the forum to those that are capable of making a statement without it sounding like a question....
God...I hate the Aussie accent....”
I was reminded of the comment made by Stephen Fry about the AQI and other language foibles, when appearing on Room 101
http://youtu.be/OluCvL0lRnI
However, all dialects tend to have their idiosyncrasies.
http://youtu.be/OluCvL0lRnI
For anyone having a problem understanding - the lyrics may help.
http://youtu.be/OluCvL0lRnI
Thought not ; )
45
Nov 11th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do remember you, you defend Spain whilst giving fair comment and recognising the BS when you see it....
Quite rightly so....
Welcome back!
Did we find another Sistah?
Nov 11th, 2014 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 048
Nov 11th, 2014 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is exactly what I was referring to....I can't bear it for more than two minutes...
50
Yankeeboy will be following me about trying to insult....poor guy doesn't know what to do with himself, now his Coffin Dodging Judge has embarrassed him yet again....
It's his way of deflecting from his piss poor predictions.....ho hum....
No not following you around, are you paranoid too?
Nov 11th, 2014 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just reading and commenting as usual waiting for a phone call.
Can you please name some of my “piss poor” predictions with reference to the original posts?
Last time you tried that you changed a couple of my words to make it look like they were wrong but they weren't when I found the original post.
Now remember there's a difference between what I hope will happen and what I say may happen.
Of course
Not everyone can get it right all the time
and sometimes my enthusiasm for the demise of the Ks gets the better of me.
Overall though I don't think there's anyone on the board who's a better prognosticator than me.
Unless you can name someone I'm not remembering.
Was it Think, Sistah?
Is he more right than wrong?
Was it You?
Kinda doubt it since you can't even use Google maps correctly...
Bahahahahaha
@ 46 ilsen
Nov 11th, 2014 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0indeep people have the right to protest for changes as long as they are within the law and the Within the law and the constitution , however let’s not forget we (Spanish) are the only culprits for the situation of the country.
With our votes and our support to PPSOE , we have allowed the country to become what it is now , a flipping mess. I hate to say this but the situation is far too similar to 1936. Failed Bipartidism, the Catalonians adding political tension and radical parties ( Podemos) getting momentum .
@47 Yankeeboy
So you dated a Catalonian? And your overall impression is the Catalans hate the Spanish, don't consider themselves Spanish since they think they are inferior, lazy, corrupt and stupid.
Let me guess about your “ date” Perroflauta member of Esquerra Republicana and brainwashed by Pujol ? Xarnego second generation?
@49 voice
Your welcomme mate
53.
Nov 11th, 2014 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no idea what you are talking about and
It wasn't just the attorney/professor I dated that said those things it was every Catalan I met.
I remember asking what language do you speak? I speak Catalan, my friends speak Catalan my family speak Catalan every I know speaks Catalan. The only place I use Spanish is in the courts!!!
Spoken very angrily I must add.
I didn't even realize it was its own language I thought it was dialect.
Sheesh who knew it was just a question I was curious.
People get so touchy.
@53 Spanish Mole
Nov 11th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Several years ago I spent a month in Valencia and visited Barcelona a few times. I did note that the people in both cities were intensely proud of their regional culture and languages. I must say that both places were absolutely stunning and the all the people I met were lovely. Is it correct to say Valenciano is a dialect whilst Catalan is a seperate laguage? (It is nearly 20 years since I was there!)
oh, are you a spanish 'mole' like 'el topo' or like the English beauty spot/mole, 'el lunar' or a saucy Mexican Mole Poblano?
:-)
ilsen
Nov 11th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Is it correct to say Valenciano is a dialect whilst Catalan is a seperate laguage?”
NO
WRONG
0/10
they are glotónimos
glottonyms for you.
anyway, in spanish or english you don't know what the fuck it is.
56 CabanaBoy
Nov 11th, 2014 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you insulting everyone?
Says a lot about you.
useless toy
Nov 11th, 2014 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0glottony is not an insult, you genius.
whats your level of education?
kindergarten?
58 CabanaBoy
Nov 11th, 2014 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Listen to yourself. Fool.
*rolls eyes*
glottonym, you fool.
Nov 11th, 2014 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all that noise because of as typo...very childish of you.
Poor recovery.
Nov 11th, 2014 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Admit it, you hate to be wrong - and you are not a good person.
Jeez...
Nov 12th, 2014 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0. I was even talking to him!
Just having a friendly chat with Spanish Mole.
All that hate and anger from polly? I think he is jealous.
I don't mind asking questions if I want to learn more. That's the intelligent thing to do. Not a reason to insult someone.
What a horrible child. I expect his family are ashamed of him.
I hope Spanish Mole comes back.
@53 yankeeboy.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is exactly the point you have no idea what I am talking about. if you dont know about a subject better to keep your mouth close dont you think? ...Let me share with you a piece of information. Catalonia during the 80’s /90’s was ( and still is more or less) dominated by a left wing Radical Independent Party ( Esquerra Republicana) and for more than 20 years doctrinated the local population about how bad Spain was .As a consequence you have today a quite large of the population in Catalonia thinking the same way your date does.
@55 Ilsen
Good question. We have only one official language (Castilian) and i however in some historic regions Galician ,Euskara ,Aranes, Catalonian, Valencian and Balearic Is accepted as official too. Basically if you are in Basque Region, Catalonia, Valencia etc you are entitled to use both languages on any legal / formal procedure you make. Reality it doesn’t happen and you are bullied for using Castilian .Fact.
It is not clear if Valencian is a dialect or not to be honest. Depending to whom you ask you will have an answer, Languages in Spain are used as political tools and it can be a prickly subject.
El topo
El Topo!
Nov 12th, 2014 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)))))))))
Thank you for your considerate reply. Quite interesting. I didn't know about the bullying.
@60 Pablo CabanaBoy
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“glottonym, you fool.
all that noise because of as typo...very childish of you.”
Could you have meant to say “gluttony”?
@56 you might want to bone up on your English ”laguage” there as well.
Just trying to help you make yourself understood - you seem very angry.
Crankyass Paulito the nabolito.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0No Falklands for you,
No oil for you,
No fish for you,
We could have been good friends & neighbours, BUT,
Your silly country wanted it all.
Now you get nada,
or jack sh!t as my US cousins say.
l hate myself when l do this! lol!
Well only for a little while. snigger.
Polly keeps getting knocked off his perch. I guess all those bumps to his head make him grumpy.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I´m surely oversimplifying it but ... if catalonians want to decide whether they want to remain as part of Spain or being an independent country, why not letting them decide?
Nov 12th, 2014 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they want to stay, good for them.
If they want to leave, make sure it´s going to be a productive departure with friendly and mutually beneficial ties for both Spain and Catalonia. Also, make sure that those in Catalonia who want to remain Spaniard and part of the EU can do that.
The UK recently proved that a civil election can be held. why not following that example?
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63. That doesn't make what they think or say untrue.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just look at the difference between Madrid and Barcelona and you can easily see the truth.
66 iso
Nov 12th, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you know that i love just the way you are.
but that vocabulary is very unbecoming of a well educated girl like you.
we have to do something about it.
whatta shame, isolda girl.
I think this 'consultation' has been a fantastic example of peaceful protest. Hopefully Spain will find the courage to allow a real referendum.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64 Ilsen
Nov 12th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0De nada amigo!
@69 Yankeeboy
And what are the differences? Let me guess this time you were dating someone from Madrid and learnt about the differences…. :) ? ( my apologies dude the British Sarcasm is like a second language to me…)
Nope never dated anyone from Madrid. If you can't see the differences between Barcelona and Madrid I can't help you. Go and see for yourself. Its pretty apparent to anyone who has ever traveled there.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0of course madrid and barcelona are different, and both are great places.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the fact that some people cannot appreciate them, mostly because of their ignorance and prejudice, is another issue.
by the way, the typical people of this 4th class site.
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Nov 12th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ref: Madrid/Barcelona
Whilst I have not had the opportunity to visit Madrid, I certainly want to.
Ref: Barcelona/Valenca:
55 ilsen
“I must say that both places were absolutely stunning and the all the people I met were lovely”
In fact, checking this thread, absolutely no one has said anything bad about these places, just a few opinions on the culture and political attitudes of the people there.
Polly, you really need to get a grip!
(...especially as you won't be getting any Gripens!)
:-)))))
75 ilsen
Nov 12th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you.
One just has to look back at the posts on this thread, to see that the UK/USA posters are very even-minded, and tell us how much they enjoy visiting Spain, especially Barcelona, me included.
Contrast that with the spiteful racial, misogynistic, and ethnic slagging from Pablo Cabana.
He knows nothing about anything...
Ironic Post Of The Day:
CabanaBoy @74
“...mostly because of their ignorance and prejudice, is another issue.
by the way, the typical people of this 4th class site.”
@75 ilsen,
Nov 12th, 2014 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh well played,
“you need to get a grip, especially as you won't be getting any Gripens”
l do so much like that……
But l venture to say that its right over pablo's head.
The jealous little fool.
nabos and naba isolda:
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0frankly i do not care if argentina does not get new airplanes?
what for?
there is not any hipótesis de conflicto here, you nabos.
it seems you are the ones who are very concerned with that.
you little paranoids.
I see Voice didn't come back!
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0And for someone who cares so little about so much, Paul sure gets wound up.
80 Anglotino
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Voice goes away to sulk and recuperate when he is shown up for his blunders.
It always amuses me that when he reappears, he is amazed that other posters remember how his stupidity was exposed :-)
Pablo Cabana has a very short attention span, and he is easily frustrated - it's just not the same as bullying the other kids at his Middle School.
76 Troy
Nov 13th, 2014 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Couldn't agree more sir!
77 lsolde
thank you, one of my better quips I feel. Do feel free to share it around! Although I may respond to polly, my comments, are of course, intended for the wider audience
:-)
78 potty-mouth polly
as usual, you disappoint. At least you're are reliable in some form... It would seem Defense Minister Agustin Rossi does care a lot to re-equip his nation’s ancient Air Force. Maybe he is the paranoid one?
Do you still believe the UK can not block the deal?
It already has!
lol!
have yourself a gherkin!
@73 yankeeboy
Nov 13th, 2014 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t forget I am Spanish and I know very well the situation of my country .
Just a question, do you speak properly Spanish? Have you ever been living in Madrid or another part of Spain? If not How can you provide an honest and fair opinion about a subject which firstly ,your judgment is clouded and partial thanks to your Catalonian date and secondly you have no direct first-hand information because you don’t speak Spanish properly and you haven’t been living in the country.
If you do or you have , I am surprised honestly
I go to Houston quite regularly and I have met several “latinos” .So far the ones I have met are being treated as third class citizens. Therefore Texans and for extension US citizens are racist., can you see the parallelism?
Nice to see Spanish Mole has just ruled himself out from ever commenting on a Gibraltar story.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14
Nov 13th, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it would be as if the isle of man wants to decide its independence.”
Moron-the Isle of Man is not part of the UK, having it's own parliament, the Tynwald-so it IS INDEPENDENT.
FYI Queen Elizabeth 2 is not the queen of the Isle of Man, but the Lord of Mann. So she is its ruler, but as it has it's own parliament making it's own laws it doesn't have to ask for independence.
The Isle of Man is not a member of the EU as far as I am aware-correct me if they have joined.
84
Nov 13th, 2014 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0boludo:
”The Isle of Man (/ˈmæn/; Manx: Ellan Vannin [ˈɛlʲən ˈvanɪn][4]), otherwise known simply as Mann (Manx: Mannin, IPA: [ˈmanɪn]), is a self-governing British Crown dependency located in the Irish Sea between the islands of Great Britain and Ireland. The head of state is Queen Elizabeth II, who holds the title of Lord of Mann. The Lord of Mann is represented by a Lieutenant Governor, but its foreign relations and defence are the responsibility of the British Government.”
it is another british colony, you nabo.
you can call them bot, british crown dependency blablabla, but for the real world, they are just 3rd class british colonies ruled by a 180 year old witch.
And not ruled by Argentina either!
Nov 14th, 2014 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0See a pattern here yet? No one wants to be ruled the Argentineans.
@ 83 Anglotino
Nov 14th, 2014 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0good morning mate , Please elaborate ! I am itching to see your argument!
You are Spanish. Gibraltar isn't.
Nov 14th, 2014 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow that was easy.
Next.....
@88 Anglotino
Nov 14th, 2014 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0and because I am Spanish , I speak both languages , I am living in UK , I have lived in Gibraltar and I have lived in Madrid , I have ruled out myself to talk about Gibraltar…. Hmmmmm I see. Troleando........
@85 paulcedron,
Nov 14th, 2014 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you such a dipstick, babypaul?
Pete Bog just explained it to you, you idiot.
Then you have to argue about something that you know nothing about.
The lsle of Man is NOT part of the UK.
The lsle of Man has its own Government & even its own Passports.
Because it is so small, it is under the Queen's protection.
What part of all this is hard to understand, imbecile?
Did you even go to school?
Oh yes, of course, l forgot, school in Argentina.
Ah well, that explains everything.
Yes, because you are Spanish. And a bit slow it seems.
Nov 14th, 2014 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@91
Nov 14th, 2014 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pardon me, but you’re obviously mistaking me for someone who gives a damn,honestly ,This is an excellent time for you to become a missing person
Ummm yeah, I'm sure that sounded better in your head.... or in Spanish. And I haven't mistaken you for anything as you are quite transparent.
Nov 14th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However unless you wish to be a hypocrite, you'll stick by your rules. If you don't like it then don't make up conditions for other posters.
Isle of Man GDP per capita (per person) rises from 206% to 217% of the equivalent United Kingdom figure.
Nov 14th, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.gov.im/news/2014/oct/03/201213-marks-the-thirtieth-consecutive-year-of-growth-and-the-first-time-gdp-has-reached-4bn/
Population - 84,497
Economy - £4 billion (yes, thats £ not $ !!)
So not exactly 'dependent on the UK, just for a defence umbrella, which is not really required in any real form.
Not sure what this has to do with the original topic though...
;-)
Great logic there Skip..@83....A Spaniard, according to you, cannot comment on Gibraltar....
Nov 14th, 2014 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that like an Argentine cannot comment about the Falklands.....?
....how about an Australian commenting about South America..is that OK though..?
Have you got anymore conditions you would like to impose on all these International poster on an International forum...?
In the words of the poster @93....“If you don't like it then don't make up conditions for other posters.”
...you appear to be very belligerent of late...is it your time of the month...?
Voice. G'day maaaate! Howyagoin'?
Nov 15th, 2014 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not my logic. His logic.
I haven't imposed any conditions. You really need to read better when you try to comeback from your earlier failure.
Spanish Mole proposed his own logic on when people are able to comment on articles. As it is his logic, then he should be bound by it.... otherwise he would be a hypocrite.
However it is not my logic so I am not bound by it. I just highlighted his logic.
And see, here is the bind. If you agree with Spanish Mole's logic then you would have to limit your own responses on here so you aren't a hypocrite. However if you agree with me that Spanish Mole doesn't have the right to impose his logic on others, then you post above looks pretty stupid now.
If all of that is a bit too much for you Voice, then I totally understand.
As for me being belligerent lately.... nope. You are just more incompetent than usual.
I really can't help it mate if you are having trouble keeping up.
96
Nov 15th, 2014 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Skip
Spanish Mole was right...it wasn't a condition....how the fcuk could a Yank like YB understand the complex relationships between Catalans and Spanish by speaking to a “girlfriend” (like we really believe an attorney was interested in the Estate agent)
I spent some time in the South of France Narbonne and there was quite a lot of Catalans in the area that are technically French, but also Catalan and they use the language....the whole of that area was Catalan at some point...it's complicated...
Do you think because I spent a little time there that, I could even begin to understand the situation or be qualified to make bold statements about it....?
YB is lying anyway...he's never been out of the USA....
He's a salesman...which means he's a professional liar....
BTW...don't you mean your failure....I give you such a good hiding over the constitution...I was loathe to embarrass you any further and let you slink away to lick your wounds and gather yourself.....
I'm such a merciful Voice...;-))))
You argue like a girl...are you sure you are not one...?
Yes yes Voice. Instead of moving the goalposts, you just totally ignored them.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I argue like a girl. Because girls....can't....argue?!?!?!?!?!
Ummmm yeaaahhhh no!
I'm not in primary school any longer, so I am unsure if calling someone a girl is still an insult.
Talk about losing the argument. Bahahahaha
The Spanish government is between a rock and a hard place.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let the Catalans vote, chances are they'll go - social backlash from Spanish voters, even more economic turmoil.
No referendum, hold them against their will - there will be a SH!tstorm of social unrest.
Haven't they had enough of that sort of thing???
Oh,
...and Voice comes bounding back ... with childish taunts and what else???
“Slappity slap slapped down” by Anglotino.
Careful Troy, he might call you a...... GIRL!
Nov 15th, 2014 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0l would say that its a great honour to be called a Girl.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah I'm having trouble understanding it lsolde. But even after saying I'm a guy, it seems Voice's intellectual retardation kicks in.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's no wonder he gets so many other things wrong. Indeed I'd love to know what the differences are between how a girl argues and how a guy argues.
Perhaps he has only ever been out down by women in his life?
I suspect he doesn't know much about Girls really - Think and Pablo Baño come to mind also.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect The Sistahs have had a life filled with disappointment and loneliness.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voice and Mole have poor reading comprehension skills, I was very clear in my posts that I was describing my interactions with Catalans. They're not my opinions but theirs, therefore I don't need a long history or a fluency in other languages since they were talking to me in English.
I've spent a lot of time in Spain, mainly Catalonia some in Madrid. I love Barcelona hate Madrid. I don't like the city or the people. I wouldn't go back if someone paid me. My impression of people from Madrid is that they are uppity maids and I couldn't be bothered. Pretty much like Portenos arrogance without merit.
A lot of Argentine posters here seem to have deep-seated 'issues' with women in general.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will be that shonky education system and oppressive Catholicism thing again.
:-(
Separatism is Spain's opium of the people.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
@85 Boludo
Nov 16th, 2014 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Isle of Man has its own parliament, The Tynwald (the world's oldest parliament) therefore it cannot be a colony.
Until a few years ago the Isle of Man (which is not in the EU), had its own death penalty and the birch which had been long before outlawed in the UK.
Because the IOM wanted agreements to trade with the EU, it had to give these laws up.
Go to the Isle of Man and tell the Manx G that they are a colony of the UK....and please put their response on you tube so we can all have a laugh at you.
The discontent in Catalonia will rumble on-best give them a referendum like the UK did with Scotland-then if they vote no to independence Spain will be spared a faster downward spiral, as they sponge off Catalonia.
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