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Falklanders invited to 'third party' dialogue with Argentine lawmakers
An Argentine congressman has extended an open invitation to two, three 'inhabitants of the Falkland Islands', to participate in a meeting with Argentine lawmakers interested in listening to the 'third party' in the Falklands/Malvinas dispute. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesLooks very sincere don't you think? Don't think I could trust him looks a bit like Eichman to me.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0my god! they are keen to get that oil!
Nov 12th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously though, it is nice to hear some positives being extended
What is to be achieved, they have polar opposite agendas. What was it about a referendum of 99.8% in favour of British sovereignty that they didn't understand?
Nov 12th, 2014 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They invite islanders to the C24 committee and they are rudely ignored and dismissed in everything that they have to say.
I always feel that there is a dirty and underhanded approach to everything Argentines do, I doubt that this will be any different.
It will be very difficult for the Islanders to trust them on anything, considering the history.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the average argie fails to grasp is that all this focus on the Falklands makes them and the UK feel far more important than they really are in the grand scheme of Argentina's situation.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The best solution, if they really want to get their attention, is to completely ignore them. The British do detest being ignored. The next president should pretend as if the UK does not even exist. And every time some unctuous memo comes out of London “congratulating” the next president and hoping for improved relations, simply say “thank you”, and toss the paper to the can.
@4
Nov 12th, 2014 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed,
However something has to change from the endless rhetoric and self delusion from successive argentine governments. It isn't positive and doesn't progress the situation with its intransigence.
It reminds me in a way of Münchausen syndrome but with a nation state.
Argies fail to grasp almost anything. Toby is prime example. If Argieland followed his example this site would be overwhelmed, he hangs on our every word which gives lie to his strident continuous wafling.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6
Nov 12th, 2014 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is funny the British think the only grievance between Argentina and the UK is the Falklands and if that were to go away, then the path would be clear for change.
Here a list of the clashing points with the UK after the Falklands if that somehow were to be removed:
- British avarice to take over the Antarctic, violating a treaty they signed
- British undermining of Argentina's economy through international forums
- British lack of control of its banking system creating systemic risk
- British borderline racist attitudes towards non-British/Anglo human beings
- British attempts to take over Argentine territorial waters well beyond Falkland's EEZ
- British attempts to set other Latin American countries against Argentina
- British intromission in internal provincial affairs trying to create civil war within Argentina
- British revisionist history on all events of the last 400 years
- British refusal to cede their embassy in Buenos Aires to Argentine sovereignty
THe list goes on and one. I call for an end to all relations, for good.
@8 How quaint: blame the UK for Argentina's problems.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing to do with inept political and economic mismanagement of the Argentine economy by home grown politicians or the illegitimate sovereignty claims.
7 Captain Silver
Nov 12th, 2014 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A hearty “Welcome Back, Captain Silver!!”
Haven't seen you post on here for awhile.
Were you away, somewhere.
It will be good to have your reasoned input on here.
I know “Voice” will be glad to see you.
I think he missed you most of all, LOL!!!
Toby
Nov 12th, 2014 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is insignificant, you can wish or pretend otherwise, or believe Mercopress is “real life”.
You are insignificant, and as thick as a post...for someone who claims to value the pursuit of knowledge....you are full of shit. You are pathetic.
Nobody, and I mean nobody in Britain could give a shit about Argentina beyond the Falklands and football. Thats it...couldn't give a shit....your list is delusional, the rantings of a total cretin.
Do yourself a favour. Put down this site,..forget you ever heard of it...you've made yourself look a complete cock long enough...and you continue to grasp even the most basic fundamentals.
I told you, look at the Latam section of the BBC website...Argentina maybe gets 5% of the stories, of an insignificant section of UK news...possibly 1/10th of 1% overall.
Nobody gives a shit...your list is hilarious...YOU WISH...if Argentina gave up its claim, all thatd be left here would be yankeeboy (genuinely interested in Argie economics), think (too stupid to realise he'd wasted his life), voice (he has nothing else) and you (believing the bullshit you write is important)
“”“The next president should pretend as if the UK does not even exist. And every time some unctuous memo comes out of London “congratulating” the next president and hoping for improved relations, simply say “thank you”, and toss the paper to the can.”“””
Nov 12th, 2014 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0erm.. hate to point out the bleeding obvious, but that's exactly what the current American PResident does already... (not a typo btw)
@7 Captain Silver
Nov 12th, 2014 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A hearty “Welcome Back, Captain Silver!!”
Haven't seen you post on here for awhile.
Were you away, somewhere.
It will be good to have your reasoned input on here.
I know “Voice” will be glad to see you.
I think he missed you most of all, LOL!!!
@8
Nov 12th, 2014 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll answer point by point....
And what Antarctic treaty was that? The only treaty I remember is a suspension on all claims onto Antarctica whilst recognising competing claims... Btw how is the argentine position with chile on this matter considering it's also a competing claim....touch of Anglo phobe racism?
No one has undermined the argentine economy apart from the argentine mismanagement of it. Congrats!
Don't talk about banking crises... We pay our debts and the de regulation was a global one not British specific...nice of you to blame the whole thing on one country
Speak about yourself in regards to racism you don't like people who aren't affiliated to your flying circus in the South Atlantic?
There is no attempt to take over argentine territorial waters, those waters surrounding the argentine territory approved by the un are just that, the Falklands, South Georgia and sandwich islands and the surrounding maritime spaces are yet to be decided by hook or by crook not by your projectionist view.
Britain doesn't need to set Argentina against it so called cousins, your being played already on that front, I've already mentioned in another article if South America stood by you it would gave done something concrete by now viz a vie your being laughed at by your own family.
Bollocks how are we doing that precisely?
There is no revisionist history by Great Britain, we are not the superpower anymore. The only history which is being revised and compounded is the Falklands myth from Argentinas successive governments to reinforce that they have been wounded and cheated and therefore it is acceptable to be imperialist.
All embassy's are the respective sovereign territory of the nation they represent you twat.
And this just reinforces the Münchausen syndrome I personally beloved is happening within the psyche of malvanistas.
8 Troll in The Dark
Nov 12th, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A perfect example of classic Argentine 'victimhood'.
Not sure if it is a disease or a way of life....
@15
Nov 12th, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's both tbh.....exactly like Münchausen syndrome.....
Like I've said if the argentines can make genuine promises and adhere to them, then who knows? I've said before its down to the islanders and the uk government has said that to its argentine counterparts...sell Argentina to the falklanders and you don't know what might happen...
Come into my Parlour said the spider to the fly...
Nov 12th, 2014 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Make your own mind up about the 'friendly' intentions of Snr Alberto Asseff.
I especially enjoyed the bit about hydrocarbons at the end of the piece : )
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.albertoasseff.com/a-25-anos-de-malvinas/&prev=search
@ 16 Ekeko
Nov 12th, 2014 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0very clear and detailed response to #8
I agree with you @16 also I would just like to add a footnote to
#8 - “British refusal to cede their embassy in Buenos Aires to Argentine sovereignty”
Not sure what that is all about but I do have this;
Tuesday 3 April 2012
“The government has condemned violent protesters who attacked the British embassy in Buenos Aires on the 30th anniversary of the Falklands war.
Several hundred demonstrators pelted police officers with homemade firebombs and threw rocks and flaming bottles at the embassy as a series of events were held in Argentina and the UK on Monday to commemorate the 1982 conflict.”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/03/falklands-protesters-attack-british-embassy
I'm still unclear about how attacking ones own police force would help Argentina colonise the Falklands?
I feel the 'protestors' (thugs), hadn't really thought this one through....
Meanwhile, according to this article the Argentine Gov is sending mixed messages.
I wonder if this fellow Alberto Asseff, who “is also chair of the Mercosur Committee in the Lower House and as such holds a bench in the Mercosur Parliament, Parlasur” was one of those who voted against the recent proposition by Parlesur?
“MOST, [not all!], of the speakers during the special session rejected the right to self determination as argued by the British government and the inhabitants of the Falklands/Malvinas to justify their position ”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/03/falklands-protesters-attack-british-embassy
Hardly a united front then...
Sorry about dud link. Worth a read..
Nov 12th, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.albertoasseff.com/a-25-anos-de-malvinas/
@18
Nov 12th, 2014 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Precisely, there is no unified approach from latam because the other nations can see that....
A) this is good for argentine pacification I.e stops Argentina turning upon the other nations within latam.... Give the dog a ball for a better analogy....
B) it would inhibit their own respective international relations with other countries. This has already been alluded to in the purchase of multi national built jets :)
Also, If it was such a regional issue I.e militarisation of the South Atlantic... Then it would have been mentioned at the unsc or the unga at least but it hasn't, not by Argentina not by Brazil or anyone from South America......so latam goes along with it, nods in the right places and quietly laughs behind their back and signs away treaties with whoever safe in the knowledge Argentinas rabid view is sated.
Argentina are being played on this front not from the Anglos as some posters might say but from within latam.
The problem is for malvanistas it's like a cancer and like a cancer it's internal and it will consume them unless they go through some form of Catharsis..... And it's a shame, a shame on their own people...
Who is inviting who here? Assef appears to be inviting Kenny (whose own motives and association with the South Atlantic Council are suspect) who is then inviting Islanders?
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Assef wnt to talk to the FIG, why doesn't he write to the FIG?
@11
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The key question is: why do you think anyone in Argentina cares about that? Think we do? Check the percentage of newspapers dedicated to UK news... LOL! You are the ones however claiming to be a world power, so that seems a bit odd.
@14
Very well, your opinion. How does that change ours?
I would like nothing more than for Argentina to close all its embassies in Europe, and elsewhere, leave the Falklanders alone, bar all foreingers entry to the country except for up to 14 day visits, and that we completely ignore you lot in the northern nations. I think that day will come, if not in 10 years, 20.
@22
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And where do you think you would get investment from? Most Latam countries are in terminal decline. on your own don't think so, name one country apart from North Korea that can exist on its own?
@21
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His stated views make it unlikely that he would entertain Falkland reps, but wants to set them up with schmoozers.
The impression from the article I posted seems to indicate a growing panic about hydrocarbons.
@20 “ nods in the right places and quietly laughs behind their back and signs away treaties with whoever safe in the knowledge Argentinas rabid view is sated.”
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina are being played on this front not from the Anglos as some posters might say but from within latam.”
I have been saying this for years, especially in regards to Chile and Brazil
:)
@22
I suggest you check the list of PERMANENT members of the UNSC.
this should help in your discovery of who is a 'world power'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_members_of_the_United_Nations_Security_Council
Still no Gripens for you. lol!
and don't worry, your desire to be ignored is coming soon. When your economy collapses just see how many of your Lat Am 'brethren' come rushing to help.
I expect they will just breathe a quiet sigh of relief.
@25
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not a world power, you got that seat on the security council ferking 70 years ago!!! And even back then you were a shadow of your former self, yet far more powerful than your are now. So you can imagine...
You have clout because military strength is the LAST thing to develop and the last thing to fade out, but you are not a global power without it (true global powers are so in all fields). The proof is the fact Argentina sees no benefit in being nice to you... don't you think if you were so important, we would behave differently out of simple self-interest?
@22
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be truthful not too sure but the current paths set out only entrenches opinions. The Falklands/Malvinas issue has tried to be negotiated but it has failed because it's missed the true objective- settlement of the people that live their as it's their future and their lives.
So in summary the Falklands, to me, only the people matter, stuff the oil or fish or whatever-that's just used as a weapon to distract from real issue -the falklanders and their happiness.
If you feel Argentina only way is becoming a hermit state, Then that would be a shame, not only upon Argentina shutting its doors upon the world but the world will be diminished because of it. The world should be an inclusive society not an exclusive one. But it's your choice.
@27
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the end of the day the fundamental problem is the British, and Europeans in general (and North Americans), do not see others outside their own and their “zone” as equals in humanity, with the same rights, privileges, basic deserving of respect, or capabilities. Read the comments here “the argies are savages”, “the argies are incapable”, “the argies are stupid”, “the argies smell”, “the argies are hairy”, “the argies....” blah blah.
The internet is the window to people's souls, in here they will say the things they would never dare say in public. So it is a fact that the above is EXACTLY how Europeans, British, etc. think.
So how could any Argentine future government, if one could manage one day to have actual well-intentioned, sincere politicians to represent it, have any hopes of meeting people like the British, German, French, Italian, American, Canadian governments, et al... when it is more than clear they do not see US as equals?
It is a non-starter, and to be frank, I have no desire to engage with people and societies that hold an innate belief of being better than me: because without an iota of doubt, they will at some point act upon those beliefs, and the actions buttressed by such outlooks can only be deleterious to me and my country.
It is as simple as that. Forget the Falklands, forget EUians, the UK, Argentina, the default, the holdouts, Chile, Brazil, Mercosur, the Malvinistas, the trade fights, etc....
It comes down to the sad fact that as an argentine, I cannot trust people that come from societies that hold the views displayed in this and OTHER websites.
It can't happen, and it won't.
@27 TITD is not really representative, he is a slightly mad troll that is fun to play with when one so chooses.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice sentiments about the people, but a more robust approach is needed in defense of their interests, I feel. Unfortunately, given the current state of affairs, the demise of Argentina is in their interest. Argentina has no one to blame but themselves for this predicament.
Sad. Could have been another Australia, another Canada....
@26
“The proof is the fact Argentina sees no benefit in being nice to you... don't you think if you were so important, we would behave differently out of simple self-interest?”
You can't buy military aircraft without British permission. This answers your questions perfectly.
a) who you need to be nice to - the UK
b) who has greater global influence - the UK
hth (hope that helps)
nabo mayor ilsen
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“my god! they are keen to get that oil!”
what oil?
the islets do not have any commercial oil, you nabo.
it is like dirty water.
bet it is the same as the one you isleters use to cook and drink.
yuck
@29
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet Argentina can buy weapons from others. But I hope it does not.
“I wish the Islanders would consider the importance of this invitation, which we are forwarding today, as some members of Congress in Argentina have begun to show interest in hearing your opinions.”
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's nice that he published an open letter in the Penguin News.
However, he is only writing as the Chair of the Fslklsnd/Nalvinas Friendship Org, not the Argentine Comgress or the Government.
For real progress, The Argentine Government will need to formally invite the FIG.
Otherwise such a meeting will not have the stature it deserves, as the meeting of 2 States.
It will lend itself to propaganda exercises, ignored or derided.
Please approach the FIG with the proper dignity and protocols.
Good start, though.
“”“”The proof is the fact Argentina sees no benefit in being nice to you... don't you think if you were so important, we would behave differently out of simple self-interest?“”
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what, like your president NOT ranting at the US president you mean.... claiming its judiciary is corrupt and so forth...
(oops, should i not point out that huge EPIC FAIL in your argument?)
Not too mention you do Schmooze and creep to total non-world-powers like Iran...
Your logic is thus destroyed utterly by your governments actions.
@28
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fundamental problem isn't the British, if the shoe was on the other foot, would you be happy with Argentina selling 3000 of its citizens for the sake of a dubious claim that May or may not have happened in a erstwhile century for the sake of it?
My in laws are from Bolivia, are Quechuan to be precise so no I don't have any pretences about latams just what is put upon me. Empanadas?
The world doesn't see anymore this old antiquated imperialist view of peers, slaves and masters, it's now about politics combined economics pure and simple with military putting the cherry on the cake. The un put that old view to bed.
The rest of the world did view Argentina as a powerhouse... And it invested and it believed......... Right until peron got his sticky fingers on it and broke it.....
And tbh I don't feel that I'm superior than you, to do that like I said would diminish the world as a whole. But like I said before that's your choice.
But in all honesty if you feel like this then why are your here lamenting? Don't make me say the syndrome...
@25 great minds.....
haha!
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'isleters' bwahahah! you do amuse me paulie, that is your only saving grace. Otherwise you really haven't got much going on, have you?
I know this is pointless, but would you like to support your statement “do not have any commercial oil” ?
I think you will find that it is still in the exploration stage. Unless you have some magic window to the future? Or you know better than the oil companies?
Do tell us paulie, share your wisdom and superior knowledge...
Perhaps, (and I know this is pointless too), you would like to comment on the invitation from Alberto Asseff?
He seems quite keen to taste the “like dirty water”....
@30
Nov 12th, 2014 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0300 million barrels is only a drop in the ocean at the moment but the oil companies will be exploring again in Q1/2 2015, first oil in around 2017/8. just think 300 million barrels @ say US$ 30 ( exploration costs and lifting costs taken out )divided by 2500 FALKLAND ISLANDERS is US$ 3.6 million for each person living on the islets . So who's laughing now.
@34
Nov 12th, 2014 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should know my position on the Falkland Islands by now.
Anyway.
@37
Nov 12th, 2014 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well the old adage goes you can get more from bees with honey than vinegar.
@29 ilsen
True, you can only deal with the official argentine position, which is break out the quasi-hammers.....which doesn't work because if it did it would have done so by now.
As you've seen in my later posts Argentina i agree with you it could have been the player in South America but it's let it slip. Probably exacerbating the situation with the Falklands. Shame.
ilsen
Nov 12th, 2014 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps, (and I know this is pointless too), you would like to comment on the “invitation from Alberto Asseff?”
the invitation is nonsense.
the isleters have no entity to talk about anything.
it must be a dialogue between the foreign offices of argentina and little britain, and that´s it.
personally, i dont give a shite.
i see the kelpers as those tenants who do not pay the rent.
first you have to pasarlos a pérdida.
and eventually they will be evicted or you will get some kind of accord.
@39
Nov 12th, 2014 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I saw those brave conscription soliders Argentina threw as fodder into the wood chipper as squatters... But that's your issue.
The un says continually that the interests/wishes of those islanders is paramount.
So theirs ability to talk and more importantly to be listened to is key. You could have dialogue between whoever the moment it hits the islanders and they shit on it it all goes pear shaped.
So little Britain is giving you the key to the door but you can't see it. Win them over or get over most of the hurdles and your a winner! In is happy well done.... So why aren't you doing it?
Inferiority complex....can't say please?
They won't be evicted, your opinion might have to change though.
@40
Nov 12th, 2014 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still sore about those Gripens? How does it feel to be so completely wrong?
you never came back to me on that one, just ran away.
At least Alberto Asseff is accepting reality, maybe...
if you want to 'evict' those decent and brave Islanders, then go ahead.
If you can.
How did it work out last time for you?
an accord? hmmm...
I feel an 'accord' was reached in 1982.
Your move.
“”eventually they will be evicted“””
Nov 12th, 2014 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0eviction implies by force or against their will - what you going to use?
Harsh Language?
@41 noooo not me!
Nov 12th, 2014 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 039 CabanaBoy
Nov 12th, 2014 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“personally, i dont give a shite.”
O come come now, Rent Boy...
You SEEM to care a great deal - you are so angry and “morally outraged” in every post about the Falklands.
BTW, nice of you to cater to the Brits with your “shite” slang - that is a very specific Brit word.
Other “Anglo” countries say “shit”.
It's so laughable, it's so laughable, it's like listening to you trying to emulate the English by saying “Cor, blimey gov...” with a fake cockney accent - a complete caricature ha ha ha ha... pure buffoonery!
“ ...i see the kelpers as those tenants who do not pay the rent.”
really not very nice of you, Pablo Cabana, mean and nasty and quite inaccurate.
Please learn to control your anger- you'll be a happier person
:-D
@42 Anbar lol!! haha - very good
Nov 12th, 2014 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43 Ekeko, I trust you realised it was a 'typo' and meant for #39 paulcedron
My humble apologies :-)
@44 Troy
you have summed him up nicely. Just sniping away as always.
He still has not come back on the Gripen factor, his ''news' about the UK being a ' Third World Country', The Gherkin Investment and, and, and, oh, sorry is this getting boring?
Maybe someone should tell paul-carrion...
;-)
Equally it is nice to see that the Fake US airmen has done the decent thing and sodded off, (hopefully alone in the study, with a bottle of Scotch, and one round in the old service revolver...)
Dont be mean to him Troy - he is only following the instructions of the Argentine “National Secretariat for the Strategic Coordination of National Thought” after all.
Nov 12th, 2014 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(yes, Argentina has a Ministry of Truth)
@46 Anbar
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0... and also busy applying for the #1 team-squad of
The Argentine National Sport of Self Foot Shooting. (© ilsen 2014)
:-)
Also, they have the strangely combined - The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Worship (Spanish: Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores y Culto), the Argentine government ministry which oversees the foreign relations of Argentina AND religion.
How bizarre is that?
Unsurprisingly, as of 2014, the Foreign Minister is one Héctor Timmerman. Naturally you would put a Jew in charge of a Catholic country's religous affairs and a complete idiot in charge of its foreign relations. Happily, Timmerman has the required attributes for the post.
... and they wonder what went wrong?
:-/
I would imagine MLA Summers was putting forward not the British position, but the Falkland Islands position.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would equally imagine that if Sr Assef wishes to come to the Falklands for a discussion he would get an open and civil reception.
The way to achieve this is to write to the FI Government and seek a meeting, rather that writing through a third party to the PN.
@48
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands are not a country. So contacts with Argentina's federal government won't happen that way. Not that the islanders will probably complain. But technically no, the Falkland Islands are not a nation (under international law, this is not another of Argentina's vagaries), and thus do not have the diplomatic clearance to talk one-one-one with Buenos Aires.
@47
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's surely no accident they combine worship and foreign affairs. The Malvinas claim is a matter of faith rather than reason. It has its own saints and devils, priest and heretics, shrines and monuments, litany and dogma. And its priesthood sustains itself by manipulating the lay.
@47, 50
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anglo stupidity, ignorance, or all three on full speed for all to see.
Religion is part of the world, like it or not. It is a major part of international relations, you cannot separate religion from international relations no more than you can separate trade from international relations. To ignore it is ridiculous, and I am not surprise the UK does ignore it, as it explains with clarity their complete and overwhelming lack of respect for other cultures / RELIGIONS in their foreign dealings.
@51
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Name any other country with a Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Worship.
Has anyone else here heard of the concept of the seperation of church and state?
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0A Key, fundamental democratic principle?
I understood it was first proposed by the Enlightenment Philosphers in the C17 & C18 ? You know, those founders of modern political thought, scientific knowldge etc?
And I thought Argentina was stuck in the 1950s? Looks like I was wrong by about 300 years, ooops!
@51
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can sort of understand where your coming from. Yes religion and politics are intertwined but the vast majority of peoples in the world have had their reformation.
The pope does not run Argentina as much as the Archbishop of Canterbury runs Westminster. There is a couple of States about the world that are still a theocracy..
And thank god for it, for now we can at least see him as he made us.... If that floats your boat.....
And being Brits, we've done all this, borne scars good and bad and bought the t-shirt.....we have a reasonable understanding of the world...Britain is the most multi cultural place going....god bless...
The Argentines don't seem to embrace the 'multi-cultural' concept, are inherently racist, xeneophobic and insecure. Well, it would seem that way by their posts here.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find this odd, considering their heritage, one would expect the opposite?
I expect this does explain Cristina's pant-wetting over-excitment on the appointment of the first Argentine Pope. She thought she had won the lottery, the provincial fool. That she had a direct line to the Almighty and some new global authority.
The rest of the World just shrugged, and said 'meh'.
She looked an idiot.
@55
Nov 13th, 2014 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0True, also one point is that the Vatican like the modern world looks forward, not just at an election but for generations to come....it tries to balance it's own internal problems with the external ones.....at the moment the wheels are coming off on both fronts.... But you never know......
I agree that this Pope is more 'modern', forward-thinking and trying to have a 'clean-up' in regards to finance and dodgy lower-level funcionaries.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Which is directly the opposite of what Cristina is doing in her (limited) sphere of influence.
55 ilsen
Nov 13th, 2014 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I find this odd, considering their heritage, one would expect the opposite?”
Entitlement.
Entitlement is the cause.
Ever since they were born, the Pablo Cabana's of Argentina have been told they are Argentine, the most gifted and wonderful people on Earth, innately superior, and more deserving...
And then... things just don't seem to go their way.
Other people, less 'worthy' people, are surpassing them, eclipsing them.
How could that be?
Those lesser people, foreigners, maybe “Chilenos” orb Brazilans perhaps, must have had an 'unfair' hand-up.
How else could it be explained??
Unless, those 'greedy' 'selfish' foreigners unfairly conspired to hold back the rightful, deserving Argentines.
It would explain a lot.
It fits, doesn't it ?
:-)
What else
But
@ 58
Nov 13th, 2014 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good point Troy. I agree, it is the mindset. It would explain a lot, indeed.
What else? you ask.
Well quite fortuitously those fine people at the recent ParleSur Summit can explain.
“Timerman [...] describes the occupation of the Islands as a “military and economic colonialism” an attack on Argentina, which insists in “imposing in our region a system so that our peoples can never fully develop”.”
Wow! Such is the power of a few thousand people far out in the South Atlantic that they can hold back the progress of millions and millions of continentals, begads, those effing Stealth Penguins are awesome!
Victimhood mentality anyone? Get it here!
take two, or more if you like, remember you're entitled!
:-)
Alas, you people still don't get it. And you won't.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0It used to be the Ministry of Foreign Diplomacy, Trade, and Cult. What part of that don't you clowns get? When you deal with stupid foreigners, you have to take into account diplomatic culture, economic trade, and their religious values. What kind of foreign ministry would it be ignoring any of those paramount points?
Trade was then made into its own ministry, thus leaving the other two.
I quite frankly would abolish them all, as the foreign peril must be nullified.
So your tried to bring your outdated Ministries into the C21?
Nov 13th, 2014 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0But didn't quite modernise it within global norms? what will those stupid foreigners think, (those ones that control your arms deals?)
Ref:
52 HansNiesund (#) @51 Name any other country with a Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Worship.
Well? we are waiting tobi....
Obviously another Fail.
Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores y Culto???????? what an anolamy!
When dealing with Argentina one must take into account such vagaries as this, not forgetting their foreign policy “the foreign peril must be nullified”
Jeez, have you checked that one with Timerman? Lord of Religion, and foreign policy......
Yeah, outdated ministries alright. What would you know about outdated, right? You guys are state of the art... It's not as if you still bagged around a bloated, pampered monarchy that APPOINTS buddies to your legislative chamber, or had others simply there because they inherited that spot from Lord Daddy, or “God forbid” (see what I did), have RELIGIOUSLY APPOINTED benchers who are in fact BISHOPS voting in what is supposed to be a 21st century secular government? I wonder how many women are there btw.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah... now that sounds totally within global normal, un-anomalous, and “C21”.
Epical Epic fail. That's two for you in 2 hours.
Not a bad come-back at all there tobi! You are much more fun than your ignorant compatriot Polly.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are quite right to say that the British system needs reform, and you certainly used my points to say so.
However, this site is for news and discussion, mainly, on MercoSur Countries, hence the name.
Do try and stay on topic! Perhaps you would like to discuss the Chinese or Japanese system of Government? Not relevant are they? We are here to discuss Lat Am.
So Church and State are still intertwined in Argentina? Glad to see you admit that.
So you are happy to have a Catholic spy in every village, reporting directly to Rome?
The Glorious Henry VIII soon finished that in England over 400 years ago, before Argentina was born!
“Epical Epic fail. That's two for you in 2 hours”
please feel free to give a link to the 'other' one, or is this just another Argentine Kafka-esque kangaroo court?
My name is ilsen, not 'K.'
:-)
I am personally aware of the genuine motives behind the intervention of Ricardo Gómez Kenny. He is one of the many Argentine citizens with respect for the islanders.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still not a lot to discuss with ANY Argentine politician.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whats the end result for them……Sovereignty!
Call me suspicious & cynical.
Because l am.
Sounds like a step in the right direction. All great journeys start with a single small step. Perhaps argentina and the Falklands can finally start to put their differences behind them.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Troy,
Nov 13th, 2014 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bit of cycling in SA. No sign of anyone resembling Tobi the twat or Voicey though!
I would say, let them meet and talk. It might be a total waste of time but again there may be some common ground on which they can agree.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is not an inter governmental summit so nothing can be agreed that would be binding on either side. At least someone on the Argentinean side is acknowledging the existence of the Islanders.
Would it be safer to hold the unofficial talks in Stanley to prevent the Campora thugs demonstrating.
An interesting concept, that of the 'Third Party.'
Nov 13th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The First Party is always the inhabitants.
The Second Party will be their Protectors, and
The Third Party will be the belligerents ... the war-makers,
but if this Third Party want to meet to say sorry for their invasion, killing, maiming and land-mining in the Land Of The First Party, this can only be a good thing.
This grovelling apology should not be by the geriatrics of the Argentinian Senate, this apology should come from the Argentinian Head of State and it's Foreign Minister.
It all comes down to trust, I can't think of one thing that would enable me to feel more trustworthy of the Argentine government that has happened in the last 5 years.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0They all wan't the same thing, we have had 'bad cop' and now they are rolling out good cop, but their objective is exactly the same.
@8. Quite amusing. If Britain wanted the whole of the Antarctic, the only opposition of any significance would come from New Zealand, France, Norway and Australia. Nothing to be concerned about. Argieland doesn't need any help undermining its economy. British banking. Something that got argieland out of trouble more than once. What do youy mean, borderline racist? Just because we don't like the majority of argies? Argieland has no territorial waters beyond the Falklands EEZ. Territorial waters are limited to 12 miles. You mean there are other latam countries besides argieland? I didn't realise that. I thought argieland spoke for the entire continent. But doesn't argieland welcome all? It keeps asking British businesses to go there. I fail to see what the last 400 years has to do with you. Argieland has only been a fully recognised country for 156 years. Before that it was spanish territory. Only recognised by spain in 1858! It isn't possible to cede an embassy. An embassy is a diplomatic mission consisting of people. But a mission's building is inviolable. That's international law.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26. In terms of global powers, all you need to concern yourself with is who can fire a missile and wipe out your capital?
@28. The FUNDAMENTAL 'problem' is that you get treated as you deserve. For some unguessable reason you believe you deserve respect. Respect is something that has to be earned. Argieland hasn't done anything to justify respect since 1811.
@37. On your knees, isn't it?
@39. Actually, in a relatively short time, the Islanders will need to decide whether they want to take over the territory once called argieland. Perhaps they'll rename it peludoland.
@49. Should we give you a break if English isn't your first language? Perhaps look up some definitions?
@51. You reckon there's an old man with a long white beard that lives on a cloud? Seen him? Fairy tales for the mentally deficient.
@60. Ministry of Cult? Sounds about right.
@62. Jealousy becomes you!
I think this is an excellent idea, and I hope they attend that summit.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0everybody knows, even the english, that malvinas, northern ireland, gibraltar, chagos and the list goes on, are not their territory.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0basically, they are an integral part of argentina, ireland, spain, etc.
now for some reason (piracy, money laundering, smuggling, etc) england wants those territories.
so, why dont they pay a rent?
a rent cant be so expensive since those territories are pretty crappy.
what it is expensive is the debt, considering they are occupying those lands since the 18ème or 19ème siècle.
so, pay the rent, pay the debt you have for the food shipments we sent in ww2, and everything´s gonna be alright.
@73
Nov 13th, 2014 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've got an even better idea, why don't you ask the people that have lived in these places for hundreds of years what they think?
#49 Complete rubbish. You don't have to be a “country” to talk to somebody. It is as common for state/provincial legislatures to talk to foreign Governments as it is for national Governments.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In any event the Falkland Islands is a country; it is just not an independent one......and I could give you dozens of parallel examples.
You are just trying to support a failed policy of trying to deny the existence of our people. Morally corrupt and legally unsustainable.
@75
Nov 13th, 2014 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never deny your existence. I always back up your rights to decide. I always call for Argentina to end the harrying. I always support your rights to trade with the rest of South America (except Argentina, but I'm against trade with everyone).
Let me rephrase slightly: You CAN talk to Buenos Aires, but you have no power to make decisions that affect Argentina. What I mean is that when two countries meet, they may reach agreements that affect citizens in either country (economically, tradewise, etc).
Since you are not a legally accepted nation state in Argentina's view (which is all that matters), but neither to the United Nations (which you all so often invoke with self-determination), then no agreements can be reached between you and Buenos Aires. It would be like Piedmont, Normandy, Bavaria, or Andalucia coming to Argentina and signing a free trade agreement with Argentina... with Rome, Paris, Berlin, and Madrid not even being consulted, let alone permitting the deal. Can't happen because those are not sovereign states.
The new Argentine position will be that if the Falklands want a fisheries deal with us, you can talk with us and hammer out details even but ultimately it is London that has to talk to us, sign the papers, and agree that such agreement is valid across ALL UK territories. In other words, whatever the Falklands agree to with Argentina, Argentina can invoke in all other UK territories.
At the end of the day,
Nov 13th, 2014 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as long as the islanders wish to remain British, that is the end if it as far as Argentina should be concerned,
CFK should concentrate on her own countries problem , and leave the Falkland's alone.
The British Falkland's can cope on her own,
and Argentina im sure can solve her own problems.
BTW, I'm not a misanthropic cretin curmudgeon, so I want to congratulate the EUIANS and ANGLOS for landing on that rock thingy in space.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Will you walk into my parlour?” said the Spider to the Fly,
Nov 13th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;
The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,
And I've a many curious things to show, when you are there.”
“Oh no, no,” said the little Fly, “to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair
-can ne'er come down again.”
#79 Fair enough, almost there. There are no absolutes, and it depends on the relationship/agreement between the national Government and the territory. Greenland for example has delegated authority from Denmark to sign agreements that affect foreign affairs, as do state legislatures in Australia, Canada, US, etc.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct that the only way to establish a binding agreement between the Falklands and Argentina is through the involvement of the UK. The subtlety that most Argentines miss is that the UK can only agree to what is proposed, it cannot enforce something against the wishes of the Islanders.
The Argentine Government position of only being prepared to talk to the UK Government alone cannot therefore ever succeed.
#76
Nov 13th, 2014 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A rational statement. Yes, if the Islanders want an agreement with Argentina on fishing , travel or any matter. the UK government will facilitate it. What they will not do is impose any deal on the Islanders if they object to the terms.
Anybody with half-a-brain would beware Greeks bearing gifts.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The saying could also be expressed as “beware an argie bearing a smile on his face”. It would have exactly the same warning.
All exchanges are good, and the violence and blockading practiced by Argentina are futile, as you can't blockade a naval world power, just like you can't invade its territory and expect to walk away laughing. If Argentina wants good will then it should practice good will like stopping the brainwashing of children in its schools and the blockading and persecution of the islanders. So I hope representatives go and talk and see if Argentina is going to respect the Falklanders and their wishes to remain under the protection of the Crown within the British Nation.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39. 'Actually, in a relatively short time, the Islanders will need to decide whether they want to take over the territory once called argieland. Perhaps they'll rename it peludoland.'
Nov 13th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peludoland, Deludoland, Peludoland, Deludoland.
First Argentina uses the evil stick
Nov 13th, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She invades but loses,
Then she tries humiliation, intimidation, and blockading,
And ended up looking silly and stupid at the UN,
Then she tries brainwashing other south American countries , but to no avail, they seek British audience behind CFKs back,
So they resort to threats,
Lies, and abuse,
Then exhausted and humiliated,
They now try the CARROT,
She wants to be friendly and talks of harmony,
Does Argentina via CFK, think we are as stupid as they are…
.
I hope if the Islanders go, at least to face the Argentines off, that they research the history of the Falklands IN DETAIL, so that Argentina's distorted views of
Nov 13th, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 01820-1833 and fake Spanish inheritance can be challenged, in addition to pointing out the UN vote in 2008 that did not rule out anyone's self determination.
Also they might actually show the Argentines the wording of resolution 2065 so that they understand it. As I read the resolution , it may well lean against the UK, but not the Islanders themselves and does not favour Argentina.
And also to point out exactly why they don't want to be Argentine as diplomatically as possible.
Also pointing out Argentina's lies at the UN by Gollum on fictitious submarines and explaining exactly what the concept of colonialism actually was, and why Argentina is acting in a colonial manner.
What the Argentines say will either be more intelligent than usual or more of the same, which must be like water off a duck's back to an Islander.
It would be nice to think something positive might come out of this, even if they persuade the Argentines that the Falklands will prosper with or without Argentina's friendship, but a friendly Argentina would be getting more than they are present(i.e. NO jobs/trade/supplies etc), which currently translates as jack squit.
For those who are brave enough to step into the spiders web in the first place, I would have thought most Falkland Islanders would be, by now , wise enough to leave the Argentines to talk and come to terms with them selves on the issue of who owns the Falkland Islands.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So are the angels of heaven!
Nov 13th, 2014 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq8MRs0t2sQ&index=12&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A
GeoffWard2, you are very different.
kkkkkkkkk
Tried everything else, eh Argentina?
Nov 13th, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None of it worked, so why not try what you should have done first?
Oh well, thats Argentine logic for you.
Still won't work though bro.
What do you offer?
What will you offer now, neighbour?
You must want our lslands & oil very, very much!
lf it was up to me, l would say, not a chance, bozo.
I would have thought Dr.Asseff and Mr.Kenny would be able to travel to Uruguay as a more neutral location. Since reading how good the ferry link to Montevideo is.
Nov 13th, 2014 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hardly think an MLA going to BA is worthy, due to there draconian laws. I read earlier that foreign company assets are now being seized. What legally? says Capitanich. No, illegal & immoral.
It would have to be Montevideo or Santiago, due to their being a British Embassy present, but not BA, in my humble opinion, if worthwhile in the first place. (Will Filmus be dishing out his propaganda... most likely.)
Asseff's & Kenny's safety could be guaranteed in Port Stanley, but I wouldn't trust Argies on this. Or haven't they heard of video-conferencing, safe distance from BA and cheaper and far less time consuming.
This is going well I see :-)
Nov 14th, 2014 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.unirargentina.com.ar/el-diputado-asseff-desmiente-a-mercopress-en-la-disputa-por-la-soberania-de-malvinas-hay-dos-partes-los-islenos-son-habitantes-pero-no-tercera-parte/#.VGT4GgwBflA.twitter
Here is the Google Translate version:
Nov 14th, 2014 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Deputy Alberto Asseff, UNITE party, member of Renewal Front and Secretary of Defence Committee and member of the Mercosur Foreign clarified ”a distorted and therefore false information“ published by MercoPress today November 13th.
”We will never recognize, nor I nor anyone in Argentina and I'm sure throughout the Americas, the de facto government and usurper with our islands. The islanders were not, are not and will not be 'third party', but people under colonial authority. The fifty year resolution 2065 of the UN has recognized that there is a bilateral sovereignty dispute with Great Britain and that is immovable under any dialogue. “
”What I did is to invite and talk reiterate the Falklands inhabitants to accept it in order to speak freely about how to find the path of mutual understanding that is for the two parties negotiating with London. What we hope is that Britain Do not argue with malice Argentine continental and islanders we are confronted by hate. As a legislator trying to help the country's interests by establishing human connections with the Islanders. Interpretation deny it published and I demand MercoPress Ricardo Gómez Kenny appropriate to clarify the issue, “said Asseff”
Trolls... is that accurate?
Not so open minded after all.
Nov 14th, 2014 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why aren't I surprised?
93
Nov 14th, 2014 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0anglotine
“Why aren't I surprised?”
it is:
why am i not surprised.
anglotine = 0/10
fail
disapproved
go back to school.
@93
Nov 14th, 2014 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Probably because you are amongst the most closed minded individuals in this site. And that takes some hard work.
94 Pablo CabanaBoy
Nov 14th, 2014 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“anglotine”??
Who is that?
There is an “Anglotino” on this forum.
Why are you not capitalising a proper noun ?
“Go back to school.”
Do you like it when I'm as pedantic as you are?
Obviously, once again, you are reduced to insults and petty nitpicking, because you have no arguments, otherwise.
Get lost.
You got to love it when a poster begins a reply excoriating another poster's perceived misuse of the proper noun of a 3rd poster by misusing the proper noun of the poster he is addressing.
Nov 14th, 2014 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why aren't I surprised by Paul's comment?
Nov 14th, 2014 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh that's right, I'm not.
Enjoy my colloquialisms. They upset Voice as well. But as you aren't a native English speaker, you wouldn't realise how natural it sounds.
Sure would be nice to see the entirety of SA close its seaports and airfields to the Malvinas. They are almost there. In 2012 they outlawed the flags from their ports and had the UKrs screaming. I dare the “Falklanders” to go it alone. Good luck with that. What would the sheepers do in the face of a tsunami washing over their little squatters settlements? They hate LATAM so much, then wait for HMS whenever it arrives.
Nov 14th, 2014 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can only imagine that this is a public relations move by Argentina. Irrespective of whether it is effective or not the UK will be returning the Malvina's within the next 25 years.
Nov 14th, 2014 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“They hate LATAM so much....”
Nov 14th, 2014 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not wanting tobe part of Argentina does not equate to hating anyone.
Argentinean education I tell you. I mean look at Hepatia for instance.
Not a world power
Nov 14th, 2014 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nuclear weapons
In top ten gdp
Blue water navy
London global financial centre
BBC,primier league football,music,litriture,arts, film,tv.fashion etc etc.
Argentina tango beef football grouchos and er
#94
Nov 14th, 2014 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, “Aren't I” is an acceptable usage in colloquial English.
However, for first person pronoun, I, there is no contraction with the verb be + not. (“Amn’t” is not a word in English.) Therefore, in casual speech and writing, English speakers use aren’t, instead, and except in formal situations, this is considered entirely grammatical.
A native English speaker would know this and use it accordingly..
For Paulcedron, check on your facts before trying to criticise English usage by a native speaker.
#99
I am sure for you that would be nice but it will not happen.
All the hate seems to be generated from Argentina. It must be frustrating to belong to an ineffectual country that cannot do anything on the world's stage except moan and plead with the rest of S. A, to take up the most important problem in the whole world. They say, of course, we agree with you, and then get on with THEIR lives.
l see Hepatia is back with its 25 years.
Nov 14th, 2014 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0l guess its good to know that some things never change & he/she/it is still a blithering idiot.
@99 Sallus,
We don't need you
We don't want you
We don't even want to hear from you or even see you.
So why are you concerned?
BUT:-
You want us,
Oh how you want us badly,
lt eats away at your innards, doesn't it?
You'd love to conquer us, but alas, you cannot.
Therefore you are like a frustrated lover unable to possess your desire,
So now you hate us.
And we laugh at you.
Well tough bananas, my man.
Suck it up, baby.
Martin Woodhead (#102)
Nov 14th, 2014 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Argentina tango beef football grouchos and er... '
and whine - woops, sorry!
@99 Bilious
Nov 14th, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0You were much more entertaining when you were pretending to be in the United States Air Force. Have you stopped that now, or can we expect a return to form sometime soon?
49 Troll in The Dark
Nov 14th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chapter IV FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF STATES
Article 11
Every American State has the duty to respect the rights enjoyed by every other State in accordance with
international law.
Article 12
The fundamental rights of States may not be impaired in any manner whatsoever.
Article 13
The political existence of the State is independent of recognition by other States. Even before being
recognized, the State has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its preservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate concerning its interests, to administer its services, and to determine the jurisdiction and competence of its courts. The exercise of these rights is limited only by the exercise of the rights of other States in accordance with international law.
Article 19
No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultural elements.
Article 20
No State may use or encourage the use of coercive measures of an economic or political character in order to force the sovereign will of another State and obtain from it advantages of any kind.
# 107 Where is this from ?
Nov 14th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CHARTER OF THE ORGANIZATION OF AMERICAN STATES
Nov 14th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Part One Chapter II PRINCIPLES Article 3
The American States reaffirm the following principles:
a) International law is the standard of conduct of States in their reciprocal relations;
b) International order consists essentially of respect for the personality, sovereignty, and independence of States, and the faithful fulfillment of obligations derived from treaties and other sources of international law;
e) ..and has the duty to abstain from intervening in the affairs of another State....
@92
Nov 14th, 2014 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that is accurate,
” The fifty year resolution 2065 of the UN has recognized that there is a bilateral sovereignty dispute with Great Britain and that is immovable under any dialogue. “
Right, so the interests of the inhabitants have to be taken into account relating to the provisions of the UN charter-and the term Independence of colonialist peoples is part of 2065, non of which Argentina accept so I am bemused why they hold up 2065 as a shining light when they don't agree with its words.
If the Mercopress version was accurate then that would tempt the Islanders to talk-if this muppet (Assfelt-ChrisR is translation OK ?) is saying that version is wrong and this is just an attempt to explain to the Islanders they are to be Argentine, then the Islanders don't need to turn up. Instead say 'Go to ICJ' or 'Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough'
@99
“Sure would be nice to see the entirety of SA close its seaports and airfields”
How could bankrupt Argentina compensate Chile for the £millions of trade they have with the Falklands if the Lan Chile link goes? Hello! Planet Earth calling! Chile gets the income from the Falkland Islands, not the other way round!
“What would the sheepers do in the face of a tsunami washing over their little squatters settlements”
Would the Tsunami be caused by what's left of the 'floating' Argentine Navy sinking all at once?
.“ I dare the “Falklanders” to go it alone.”
Up until the Chilean DAP flight (1989/1990) the Islanders were alone.
Have you not heard that since 1982 there has been an airlink between the UK and the Falklands?
Or do you remember the golden years of the 70s when Argentina flew in rotten fruit in ancient seaplanes and made the Islanders carry a white card-(that's the Argentine National Flag-the white one they flew en masse in 1982)?
“In 2012 they outlawed the flags from their ports ”
In 2012, Argentina was to jail all oil workers in the FI oil industry.
Who's been arrested then?
It seems that the author (or authors) of this article didn't know much about Alberto Emilio Asseff's biography, outside his activities as an Argentinian profit-making parliamentarian. Indeed, in the 1980s, Asseff was known as the fascist author of “La Proyeccion Continental de la Argentina: de la geohistoria a la geopolitica nacional” (Buenos Aires, Editorial Pleamar, 1980.)
Nov 14th, 2014 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The following are some interesting assertions he made in his book:
1) Argentina “writes history” in South America's Southern Cone; it is a leader-nation, and therefore it should secure its own continental (and oceanic) lebensraum.
2) Also, Argentina needs “imperiously” (imperiosamente) a sovereign corridor to the Pacific Ocean, because the Pacific Ocean will be the XXIst Century's ocean.
3) Asseff also claimed that ALL the Chilean Beagle Channel and Cape Horn Islands were Argentinian. In Horn Island a port had already been named Thetis, and must be built. Part of Navarino Island must also be claimed.
4) Writing in 1979, Asseff insisted that the Falkland Islands and Dependencies must be retaken in less than two years, starting 1 January 1981. Moreover, Gough Island, a British dependency of Saint Helena, situated south of Tristan da Cunha, must be occupied because it is an Argentine fundamental geopolitical objective.
Finally, what is important to bear in mind, is that Dr. Asseff is still a warmonger, but forced to wear sheepskins, because his country is really part of the Third World, and its armed forces are 3rd class at best.
PS. Asseff, as a member of the Arab mafia, was at one time “money-manager” of Carlos Menem's, wife no. 1, Zulema Yoma.
Philippe
Oddly through,
Nov 14th, 2014 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0considering they have no claim , no interest , and no rights what so ever,
why do people even listen to CFK,
its not Argentina's , it never was, and never will be,
but of course, one can never say know,,, who knows what the future will hold,
Argentina may well do deals and have treaties with say-china , north Korea , Russia , or even America to remover the nasty British pirates,
hey lol,, you never know,
wink wink..lol
#92 & others. Thanks for the updates. Argentinians returning to usual form.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Instead of a false meeting where Asseff can propose dialogue, but ignore other views apart from his own proposals. Asseff could read this post & learn about true history, international law & rights.
After reading what he really thinks, how incredulous & disingenuine his approach is. Assef is not worthy of a reply. They obviously will not consider any non-Argie view. Their starting viewpoint hasn't changed and is unsurprisingly unacceptable. Asseff should know the FI viewpoint by now and Britain's.
@111
Nov 15th, 2014 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thank you for the interesting info Philippe
@113
Nov 16th, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think that we should extend our thanks to Dr Asseff and ask him cordially to visit the FALKLANDS to see for himself what democracy is all about. We should listen to him politely and explain our position and then tell him to Fuck Off.
l second that motion.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@116 Islode
Nov 17th, 2014 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And tell him Ushuaia was founded by a pom (Bishop Stirling) and Patagonia belongs to the Islanders (first settlement).
(Damn, Mainwaring is in a box, but I promise I will one day give the correct citations for Falklands-to Patagonia)
This might seem fanciful and nearly as much in the realms of fantasy as Argentine theory but what if the Falklands were to get rich on oil, get some decent kit for the FIDF ( F35's et al with mercenary pilots), buy a couple of decent subs and go back into Patagonia and liberate it for the Amerindians?
I bet Assfelt would love that-that's the kind of dialogue he needs to hear.
Hear hear!
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