MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Almost 30% of teenagers (15 to 19) are mothers in Latin America
Nearly 30 % of young women in Latin America are mothers before they reach 20 years and the majority of them are underprivileged, which fosters the reproduction of poverty, hinders women's autonomy and their life projects, and underscores the need for public sex education and reproductive health services. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThese girls are of course the children of “poor people” aka lazy buggers who did not teach their children how to avoid the errors they themselves made.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is a self-fulfilling prophesy.
In Uruguay ‘No Money Pepe’ would be paying them out of the pockets of the people who do work for a living and then he wonders why things are not improving, other than they now have a new LED TV to watch in their hovel.
Neither of these two girls look happy, do they? They’ve had their fun and this is the result: they have ruined any chance they may have had to get out of their hovels and make a good life for themselves.
@1. Fun? Or food? Just how many hookers do argies demand? Ban argies from Uruguay for a year. See what happens!
Nov 15th, 2014 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Catholic Church is responsible for this, (antiabortion/anti-contraception), that and lack of education by the governments.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poverty is also cause. When people are tired and desperate they seek comfort and solace in one another, any sort of joy and companionship, which then leads to this outcome.
Government mismanagement of the economy leads to poverty of the population.
Which increases the number of mouths to feed.
A vicious circle.
Let us be honest. You can not legislate aginst people having intercourse. You can educate them to do it safely, responsibly and provide free contraception. If the political will is there. Also the people need to be educated about the prevalent religous dogma so they can think for themselves.
@3 Nah. I would buy your first argument, but Catholicism has been on the decline in Latin America for decades. The report cites an increase in young mothers during the 1990s... did people suddenly become Catholic again? I doubt it. I'd like to see if ECLAC distinguished by the kind of Christianity prevalent in the young mothers, if they are even religious at all.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Note as well that Costa Rica, the only country in the region that still cites the Catholic Church as its official religion, ranks among the lowest percentages. Peru, also near the bottom, is also noted for its religious adherence. Uruguay, of course, has a lower rate of religious participation, but their levels of economic development probably are a stronger factor in later maternity there.
Your education, poverty, and mismanagement points are better-taken. These indicators are improving slowly in the region (perhaps not mismanagement), clearly not quickly enough.
Teen pregnancy is a concern everywhere. In the US the numbers are similar........29%. However when you pull the Hispanic numbers, they alone are 47%..........Asians.....9%. There is certainly some cultural thing going on here but the largest denominator is education, wealth and social status. Poverty is going to be the leading cause my many stats. As long as Dictocrats are elected into official and corruption stays as pervasive as it is in Latam.....betterment of the people as a whole will remain because no one wants the poor to earn, work and learn.....that's dangerous to the Latam dictators.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(4) LatHamburger... ;-)
Nov 15th, 2014 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well written repost to an Anglo Turnip with Troll aspirations...
Hope you continue posting in here...
Regards
El Think
@5 I think it's good to bring the U.S. into this argument. I myself align with the right in the United States, and poverty leads to higher levels of teenage pregnancy. I'll also throw in the decline of family values... where mom and dad aren't around to raise and discipline the kids, teen pregnancy perpetuates itself. Go to West Virginia, where there's a lot of poverty, and teen girls have a lot of babies there too, whether white, black, Hispanic or mixed-race. It's not any coincidence that the MTV Series “Teen Mom” covers a majority of the time teen pregnancy cases in the South.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Latin America, definitely agree with you that populist leaders aren't doing anything to help... I'm no expert on Brazil, but when you create a program that gives more money to individuals when they have more kids, they're going to have more kids.
I find myself somewhere between the two....depending on the issue. But yes.....this issue is not just a issue for Hispanics or Blacks........it is for all to share.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree in the USA that the breakdown of family values and traditional family structure has been on the rise and continues. However this will never change until they themselves want to change and leadership needs to lead they way with actions to provide them opportunities for education (objective and not propaganda) work and self sufficiency, rather than permanent government subsidies and government dependency. I would rather struggle paycheck to paycheck knowing I control my life than to struggle handout to handout.....but that is me and my frame of mind and thinking.
(7)LatHamburger
Nov 15th, 2014 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“I'm no expert on Brazil, but when you create a program that gives more money to individuals when they have more kids, they're going to have more kids.”
I say...:
Well.... You certainly aren't an expert on Brazil, or on Social Sciences or on demographic control...
just have a look of what 12 years of well managed social politics have reduced the Brazilian demographic curve...:
http://brasilemsintese.ibge.gov.br/en/populacao/taxas-brutas-de-natalidade
And don't get me started about the reduction of Brazilian
Child mortality, poverty, abject misery etc, etc, etc...
Geeeeeee......
I would wish that you GOP Yanks could THINK out of your dollar box once in a while!,,
I find myself somewhere between the two....depending on the issue. But yes.....this issue is not just a issue for Hispanics or Blacks........it is for all to share.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree in the USA that the breakdown of family values and traditional family structure has been on the rise and continues. However this will never change until they themselves want to change and leadership needs to lead they way with actions to provide them opportunities for education (objective and not propaganda) work and self sufficiency, rather than permanent government subsidies and government dependency. I would rather struggle paycheck to paycheck knowing I control my life than to struggle handout to handout.....but that is me and my frame of mind and thinking.
”The Catholic Church is responsible for this, (antiabortion/anti-contraception), that and lack of education by the governments.”
Nov 15th, 2014 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure do you know what the birth rates are in Italy, Poland & and natives of the Republic of Ireland (non f...king immigrants) ??
Do you even think a second before you post your cultural marxist rubbish and your hate towards the church??
@ 4 LatAmBurgher
Nov 15th, 2014 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Note as well that Costa Rica, the only country in the region that still cites the Catholic Church as its official religion, ranks among the lowest percentages.”
Not so.
This is an extract from the Constitution of TDC (The Dark Country: Argentina):
“FIRST PART
CHAPTER I
DECLARATIONS, RIGHTS AND GUARANTEES
Section 1.- The Argentine Nation adopts the federal republican representative form of government, as this Constitution establishes.
Section 2.- The Federal Government supports the Roman Catholic Apostolic religion.”
Please note this is the first ‘real’ item in the document. So nice to see the delusionist nature of the argies given so much prominence, what a pity they do not practise what they preach.
The fact that argies are liars, crooks and drug dealers, having only a few respectable citizens who have to suffer the present crooks in government, does little to impress anybody about SA.
@ 6 Lunatic.
Well, it is clear from the lucid way that LatAmBurgher writes that he / she is not one of your sock puppets.
Or is he? Ha, ha, ha.
”Section 2.- The Federal Government supports the Roman Catholic Apostolic religion.”
Nov 15th, 2014 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is the big deal about it?? That doesn't make the country religous.
Sorry LatAmburgher and CD for the dup post.......was left in my droid clipboard.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stink.....is every yank a GOP to you? I am unenrolled, as it is classed in my great state of Massachusetts.
Tell me stink......why do latam commies like you have a problem working for a living? Is it poor....such as you think everything is money driven? You “lot” use the calling mantra so often that you fail to comprehend when it is non-applicable.
I'd love to stay and chat but it's a nice day and my wife wants to get out while it lasts.
You know stink......most of the RG's living here hate what has become og Argentina..........but then....why would you know that? I can only hope that the corruption so pervasive in your country provides you with all you deserve and only hope my extended family is all out by that time.
(14) Captain Poppy
Nov 15th, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly..., the name is Think...., El Think...
Secondly... No..., not every Yank is a GOP for me...
But when a Yank writes...: “I myself align with the right in the United States”..., and he doesn't sound like a member of the American Freedom Party, the Nationalist Socialist Movement or the Aryan Brotherhood..., I assume him to be a GOP sympathiser.... Capisce?
Thirdly... I'm not a “Latam Commie”...
I'm more of an Olof Palme's Social Democrat...
Do you know who Olof Palme was?
I figured...
Do you always answer your on questions without allowing an answer? For effect correct?
Nov 15th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do know there are conservatives (right) in the Democratic Party......correct? Few these days but the south use to be called....Southern Democratic Conservatives.
Ahhhh and that pesky s always seems to tag along when I type T and H together........I find I need more “review” before I hit “send”
My prayer to Argentina:
My God accelerate the implosion with Asslips Kirchner in office.
Ché Poppy
Nov 15th, 2014 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You better take your Argie missus for a stroll to the Mall, as she asked you hours ago...
Haven't you learned yet how “bravas” these porteñas become when they are disobeyed...
Or... maybe yours is the exception that confirms the rule?
And I thought Argentina was soo civilised. Lol
Nov 15th, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps I wasn't very clear re: the role of the Catholic Church (CC) in all this.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The CC is anti-abortion.
The CC is anti-contraception.
Most Lat Am countries are considered to be Catholic.
Abortion is illegal in most Lat Am countries.
Catholic doctrine seeps into society so that contraception is discouraged and the discussion of sexual health can be a taboo subject.
The difference between LatAm and 'catholic' counties in Europe is where the government/economy/eduction factors come in to play.
The final paragraph of the article expresses the conclusions of the study quite clearly;
“The study concludes that [ ... ], should include comprehensive sex education, counseling for young women to exercise their rights and make informed decisions, and access to sexual and reproductive health services that include the provision of birth-control methods.”
I agree with the conclusions of this study and add my opinion the two factors that have been holding back their reccommendations are the Gov.s and the Church.
As an adjunct: The seperation of the powers between Church and State remain somewhat blurred in most of LatAm. One prime example is that Hector Timerman's full title is Minister for Foriegn Affairs and Religon.
You just hate the church, the Catholic church is against premarital sex too so its a mute point to blame the Catholic church at all of anything, and Im not a catholic myself.... You must have very little contact with reality in the streets of Venezuela if you think these women have religion in their heads.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1743605-polemica-en-venezuela-por-maniquies-de-embarazadas-con-uniforme-escolar-en-un-shopping
The problem is unadressed women's lack of responsability.
Perhaps better educated would have helped,
Nov 15th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in this day and age, and with the pill, cap , condoms , injection , etc , surely their is no excuse,
we all know the dangers of pregnancy but it happens all the same,
just the poor tax payer who may well pick up the bill.
Sistah, A social democrat is a communist/collectivist/socialist. They're all the same.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't hide behind language
Your stink is still the same no matter what clothes you wear.
Marxists need to have an uneducated unemployed underclass to stay in power. What better way is there than paying poor people to have kids?
Geeeeeeeeeee....
Nov 15th, 2014 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Brainwashed Anglo Turnip at (19) never misses an opportunity to show us all how humongous his ignorance about his own Country is...
He says...:
”The sep(a)ration of the powers between Church and State remain somewhat blurred in most of LatAm. One prime example is that Hector Timerman's full title is Minister for For(e)ign Affairs and Religon.“
I say...:
The separation of powers between Church and State remain somewhat blurred in the UK... One prime example is that Eric Pickles's full title includes that of...: Minister for Faith...
Argie Hector is a secular Jew in a predominantly Catholic Country...
Engrish Eric, on the other hand, sounds pretty much like a fundamentalist Anglican in an Anglican Queendom that...:
”Regularly used his platform to attack secularists, declaring earlier this year that Britain is a “Christian Nation” and that “Militant Atheists” should “get over it”
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/08/eric-pickless-appointment-faith-minister-bad-news-secularists
Rest my case...
There will always be people who choose fun over work... You can redistribute the wealth that results of hard work but you can't redistribute the fun that results on the avoidance of hard work... There will always be women that sleeps with the wrong guy and women that try to catch a guy with a kid and the guy runs off...The State will pander the most needy people.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brilliant comments at 39:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkVOck6iKY&list=UUC3L8QaxqEGUiBC252GHy3w
To be fair here,
Nov 15th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you cannot always blame the ladies,
after all, it take's two to tango.?
Time to visit these countries, seems they have their knickers off all the time, would make an old man very, very happy.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 026 golfcronie
Nov 15th, 2014 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be related to Jimmy Savile.
No but I like “potting the pink”, if the locals can have it I see no problem me helping the population.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Old Engrish Turnip at (26)
Nov 15th, 2014 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why spend ~1,000 quid on a ticket and even risk a Deep Vein Thrombosis.....?
Perfectly good young Engrish speaking meat available in Britain, I reckon...
You just have to catch one of your local teen junkies on the “Right Mood”, you know?
The going rate for such can be as low as a tenner..., I'm told.
That would surely make an old man very, very happy...
oh jeez... I just knew this discussion would go down the toilet....
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next we will have CD2 calling all women 'sluts', that's where he normally goes. I may be interested in his views on other subjects, but he obviously has some dodgy attitudes to women in general.
Think, never worth a reply I have found. Fuck off about my typos, I expect my smart smartphone cost more than your house.
Briton. It is not just about contraception. It is about access to contraception and education.
I refer you all back to the last part of the article;
“should include comprehensive sex education, counseling for young women to exercise their rights and make informed decisions, and access to sexual and reproductive health services that include the provision of birth-control methods.”
what part of that do you not get?
PS: cd2, i think you meant 'moot' not 'mute', but I'm sure you would prefer if all women were the latter...
When will you realise you are part of the problem?
28 golfcronie
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Save yourself the embarrassment, keep your English noodle inside your pants.
meanwhile, in europe...
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“UK tops league of teenage pregnancy
by STEVE DOUGHTY, Daily Mail
Britain still has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Western Europe”
another reason why the uk is the only, the unique 3rd world country in western europe.
Turnip at (30)
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless your “smart” smartphone happens to be an Iphone 6+..., I Think my Note 4 costs more than your “smart” smartphone...
Unless of course you are one of those guys that buy Bling Bling “unsmart” smartpones in Abu Dhabi
Marcos, try to stop exploiting uneducated, impoverished girls in your patriachial, misogynistic society.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0golfcronie; you are not exactly helping the situation and are further proof that responsiblity for teenage pregnancy is not solely for women.
A lot of men use their economic power to beguile uneducated street girls into situations where they may get pregnant.
Probably make a lot of false promises too.
Sick bastards.
#32
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on, we were promoted to 2nd world country just a few posts ago.
Your lot still guddling about in the sewers hoping for a free leg up from Brazil ?
enfermito 26
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Time to visit these countries, seems they have their knickers off all the time, would make an old man very, very happy.”
must be sad to think in raping a teenager to get laid, no?, you old sicko.
surely you will also enjoy the counterpart when they “te defloren el ojete” in jail.
viejo del orto.
Interesting to note that paulcedron is intimate with the preferences of imprisoned Argentine male criminals...
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That must be how he recieved his 'education'...
(just jokin' . I am sure he is still a virgin)
-------------------------------------------------
On another note, I think golfcronie's comment was in extremely poor tatste. They key to understanding the above article is in the title of the study.
”Reproduction in adolescence and its INEQUALITIES in Latin America”
(my emphasis)
25. Its always the woman who chooses who to Tango with.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 030.
“Next we will have CD2 calling all women 'sluts', that's where he normally goes. I may be interested in his views on other subjects, but he obviously has some dodgy attitudes to women in general.”
Hardly what you call an argument....
32. Lies and half truths can only go so far...
Nov 15th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain, nevertheless, has a sky-high level of teenage pregnancies, with 2.9 out of every 100 girls aged between 15 and 19 giving birth every year.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-28860/UK-tops-league-teenage-pregnancy.html#ixzz3JBIovhuj
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One great outcome for the huge unemployment and falling/failing business in Buenos Aries is that maybe, I'll stress MAYBE, there won't be so many blackouts when it gets over 27 this year.
I think the lines are shot tho..
so maybe there'll be more
who can say...
On another note..., I Think golfcronie's comment was a clear and evident (and quite successful...) attempt of trolling.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike Turnip Ilsen that evidently believes most of the hippopotamus manure he spreads around...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TCkkCSz88FQ
@38
Nov 15th, 2014 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ref: @25 I suppose you will now say that a man is incapable of making a responsible decision? Even if she says 'yes', you can't say 'no'? Or 'Can I wear a condom?'
You have no valid argument.
ref 30: Well... based on your previous, rather limp, 'performance', I thought I would pre-empt any (verbal) premature ejaculation by your good self.
37 boludo
Nov 15th, 2014 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it is not a surprise to see an english / english wannabe with that kind of tastes, is it?
“Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds”
surely you share those tastes, no?
must be genetic.
@42
Nov 15th, 2014 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what-about-ery again.
Try discussing the article.
As yankeeboy made clear, the rate of teenage pregnancies in Lat Am. is 10x the UK.
Although I am very sure you have never been invloved personally in attempting to add to these numbers, why do YOU think this is?
Is it lack of education? Is it societial-norms? Is it due to inequality?
Why is abortion illegal?
Why is contraception noe encouraged more?
41. I have already answered that falancy to you on another thread. Biologically males are designed to spread their seeds. Males have the drive, Females do the picking of who they mate with. In other words they females do the quality selection. Its how it has worked in Judeo Christian culture for millennials. And it is pretty much how it works in the animal kingdom.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Women have a large range of sperm donors who to pick from in their youth. And that is a fact of life. You are just making excuses for them, and your kind (cultural marxist / feminists) demand laws that benefit and entitle single mothers to keep on having kids with unresponsable guys or simply the state subsidise them directly by wealfare. In reality you are part of the problem that has existed since the 1960s.
PS.AND NO I CANT TELL IF MY PATNER HAS HAD THE PILL OR NOT!!!! Idiot
I understand my views on the role of the Catholic Church has caused some consternation in some sectors of the posters here.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good!
It is worth debating. let us look at a couple of salient facts:
1) CONSTITUTION OF THE ARGENTINE NATION
CHAPTER I
Section 2.- The Federal Government supports the Roman Catholic Apostolic religion.
http://www.senado.gov.ar/deInteresEnglish
2) The [Catholic] church teaches that sexual intercourse should only take place between a married man and woman, and should be without the use of birth control or contraception.
http://www.senado.gov.ar/deInteresEnglish
well that's f*ckin helpful isn't it, especially when poor, uneducated girls take the advice of their grandmothers and priests.... then are economically obliged to get into bed with irresponsible, predatory males...
cd2: I am not making 'excuses' to ' demand laws that benefit and entitle single mothers to keep on having kids with unresponsable guys or simply the state subsidise them directly by wealfare'
I am simply trying to refute that the young poorly educated, economically impoverished girls are the ONLY ones to blame. Merely that this is a larger problem for society, of which men also bear some responsibility. In all countries in the world.
As for
“PS.AND NO I CANT TELL IF MY PATNER HAS HAD THE PILL OR NOT!!!! Idiot”
Do I take it that some how this prevents you for putting on a condom anyway? Try to engage your brain before engaging your penis.
...
“In reality you are part of the problem that has existed since the 1960s.”
because obviously there were no births to unmarried girls prior to to 1953? Or ever in the history of Judeo Christian culture for millennials!?!?!!?!?!!
For Christ's sake, what happened to Mary Magdelen? Even the Bible says it wasn't Joseph. If she wanted to shag about, her decision, but I wished she had access to birth control!
hahaha.
You are fucking delusional.
45.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes and if they would go by the teachings of the church they woulden't have this problem in the first place you buffoon. Even for an atheist like myself I acknowledge that here is a point to those mandates.
What level of retardness do you have to blame the church for baning the use of contraception yet at the same time you recognize that sex has to be done in marrital contracts according to the Catholic Church. That is not what happens in Latam and you know it. So stop blaming the church, you and your childish excuses are far more the problem than the Church is.
“well that's f*ckin helpful isn't it, especially when poor, uneducated girls take the advice of their grandmothers and priests....”
No they dont. You obviously are completely untouched with reality of the street. I have known many many young poor women, and none of them spoke of religion ever to me.
“I am simply trying to refute that the young poorly educated, economically impoverished girls are the ONLY ones to blame.” Yes they are in Latam... African demographic explotions in the 70s are the residue of foreign aid of fking, which is a form of international subsidy for poor to reproduce. Foreign aid must be cancelled and malthusian collapse is avoided even if we already live in it permanently.
“Do I take it that some how this prevents you for putting on a condom anyway? Try to engage your brain before engaging your penis.”
Have you ever heard of good faith and trust in your patner?? I guess not. Under your logic she gets to choose when to have a kid. Not me and that is power over me.
“because obviously there were no births to unmarried girls prior to to 1953? Or ever in the history of Judeo Christian culture for millennials! ”
Yes they existed but where much less cases and they where socially condemned for it.
Its about taking responsability for your own actions. The price of freedom and power of choice, is responsability ,something that you ladies are behind of 50 years.
Ilsen
Nov 16th, 2014 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0How do you interpret,
”Almost 30% of teenagers (15 to 19) are mothers in Latin America“ ??
Is that 30% of ALL teenagers?
Wouldn't that be 60% of female teenagers - ie. 60% of one half of the teenage population?
How many of the pregnant teenagers are married?
How many are abandoned by the father, before or after the birth?
It sounds like this has been going on for several generations of teenage mothers on Government ”Assistance“ - does that mean there is now a culture of single, ”working poor”, or unemployed young mothers?
How likely are they to get an education or experience in a viable skilled trade?
I ask you, because you can see through the hyperbole of our resident populist Trolls.
Ignorant (of all things Christian) Turnip at (46) says...:
Nov 16th, 2014 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0”For Christ's sake, what happened to Mary Magdelen(e)?”
I say...:
For Mary, Mother of Christ..., please enlighten us about what happened to Mary Magdalene!
@47
Nov 16th, 2014 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly, Troy, due to lack of access to education and decent employment opportunities, some impoverished young girls see a life, as a single mother on benefits doled out by their socialist gov.s as a viable exisitence ... very sadly I am in agreement on CD2 on this. However, he seems to blame the women. He, has never been in their position.
If they had better opportunities in life, they might make better decisions.
What I am NOT in agreement is that men have no part to play in rectifying this situation as, by and large, Lat Am societies are patriachial.
He thinks I hate men because I want Equality of Opportunity for Everbody. Surely if you oppress 50% of your population you restrict 50% of your Potetential growth? Or is that too complicated for a self-confessed (Argie) dinosuar to comprehend?
I refer you all to the closing paragragh:
“ ... for young women to exercise their rights and make informed decisions, and access to sexual and reproductive health services that include the provision of birth-control methods.”
What is wrong with that statement?
It pretty much says everything I have been saying, aside from my views on the Catholic Church and its nefarious influence in Lat Am.
Give girls better opportunities in life to succeed independently and they wouldn't be so dependent on dodgy, predatory men.
Or, thencefore, the State.
Simples, really.
Btw, some men are lovely!
:-)
All the above said by a Turnip that can't differentiate between the Virgin Mary, Mary Magdalene and Mary Queen of Scots...
Nov 16th, 2014 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Educate yourself, Turnip!
As, I am sure other intelligent posters are aware, I will not lower myself to responding to El Stinko rather crap posts.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's talk about the article instead.
Why are young women in Lat Am prevented from access to sexual and reproductive health services that include the provision of birth-control methods?
Why is this?
What is the root cause?
Why not discuss something so important to the whole future of Lat Am without ridiculous sniping?
Can anyone mange this?
Over to you......
(hoping for some intelligent debate)
49. Stupid feminazi
Nov 16th, 2014 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no such thing as a patriarchy...What a load of condescending rubbish!!!! There is free market. Women are not banned from becoming mechanics, electritians and plumbers, yet they dont choose to do these jobs. But they want Ema Watson to promote unelected quotas of women into congress, that they do want.
“Surely if you oppress 50% of your population you restrict 50% of your Potetential growth?” what an earth are you talking about?? None of the things you say make sense
“Give girls better opportunities in life to succeed independently and they wouldn't be so dependent on dodgy, predatory men.”
Who is forcing them to endulge with predatory men but themselves???
What ever opportunity they have, they decide to throw overboard at the age of 15 by getting themselves pregnant and burdining themselves with a mouth they have to feed (badly and poorly)
Victimization, victimization, blame the church, blame traditional familyhood and call it “patriarchy”. What a pile of shite.
Yeahhhhhhhhhh........
Nov 16th, 2014 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Blame Canada..., blame Canada...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DBpgcZ1zYJs
cd2
Nov 16th, 2014 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@52
glad to see you are finally admittiing that there are ”dodgy, predatory men.”
like yourself
But you obviously don't get the point, you really don't get it do you?
They throw themselves at men who lie to them BECAUSE they have no other life choices.
Your shit economy and societal values gives them such limited choices.
They have no real choice in life but to hope they will get pregnant by a rich guy.....
This is all they can hope for. Shame on you. You constructed this society.
You are just encouraging more of the same, but you can't see it.
You are actually responsible for this, but do nothing to alleviate the situation.
Set them free of this, and you might be nicely surpised how 50% of your population becoming active in the economy could really help your country.
Oh. And fuck the Papists. Thank the Lord that King Henry VIII of England did so in 1533, told the Pope to Sod Off and stop interfering in his country.
About time you did the same, it really helps.
Do try to keep 'up to date' old boy. You are only half a millennia behind.
I thought it was only 1953 in Argentina, looks like 1553 by your attitudes.
This is one of the major reasons why Argentina will fail.
@ 54 ilsen
Nov 16th, 2014 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent reply.
Forget Lunatic @ 53, he's just a fucking lunatic.
Uruguay is supposed to be “advanced” as a society but it is FAR from having equal opportunities for women, I can only imagine what the macho argies can be like.
My argie friends are forward thinkers and would easily fit in with the Brits but even they want nothing to do with TDC.
54.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ironically it seems the new darling of feminist is none other than King Henry the VIII !!!!
What an earth are you on about you idiot?? Do women sit in buses seperately than men in Argentina ?? They are not allowed to drive ?? To own property?? Give me a real example of how women are oppressed in the contry where the most powerful person in it is a f.king woman !!!! Instead of making cheap generalizations that dont make any sence
FFS INADI banned Kinder eggs because it considered pink and light blue wrappings sexists
http://www.infobae.com/2013/04/01/703716-lubertino-se-quejo-el-color-los-huevos-kinder-y-exploto-twitter
“They have no real choice in life but to hope they will get pregnant by a rich guy....”
No the most just get themselves pregnant with the first “bad boy” that tickles their fancy at their teens. Or are you now claiming that 30 % of teenagers in Latam get themselves pregnant with rich men?? Where you drunk and lonely last night when you posted in your London flat that rubbish at 3 am ?? Bit of a Bridget Jones are we??
Argentina doesn't produce opportunities to both men and women because its economy is statist run, there is no room for free and private enterprise. Its nothing to do with oppression you nutter or 50%.
When I go to the races men are the ones fixing and seeing to the engines, if the women are dressed slutty and do promotora jobs when they can be mecanics themselves then that it is there CHOICE.
And guess what, those hos that get themselves pregnant and burden the economy with subsidies for kids that beg on the streets, sell drugs at school, rebel kids that clash with society and authority and criminals they child. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM NOT US !!!! They are the oppressing ones who the State panders.
Just because you hate Argentina you think you can make up stuff as you please
I think Sistah forgot she lives in Chubut again.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or was it Scotland
EL THINK
Nov 16th, 2014 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blame Canada? What a splendid idea!
“Do you know who Olof Palme was?” No, but I had the honor of having dinner a couple of times with one of his late friends, Bernt Carlsson, during a ridiculous South African diplomatic naval junket in Walvis Bay. He gave me a book about Mr. Palme, and truly the man was to be admired. We also had a spirited, but gentlemanly debate about Allende. He was very well informed and he personally knew Castro. Even the Swedes condemned Cuba's human rights atrocities.
I would respectfully suggest you refrain from casually throwing Mr. Palme's name into silly debates as it demeans his greatness.
Yes, children there are some Socialists in my opinion that greatly deserve our respect... As we should as well remember the incredible contributions of their opponents...
By respect do you mean bullet in the head?
Nov 16th, 2014 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(58) Dear hermanito Shileno...
Nov 16th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't Think of nothin' that could demean Olof...
As I can't Think of nothin' that could demean Salvador...
Certainly not some old fond memories of a hum0ble Patagon...
#17 La Stink....you intentional divert to mi espousa just to ignore my questions?
Nov 16th, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stink....no one gives two flying leaps of RG shit about Olof Palme.
Is it safe to assume you are Latin? Better yet.....are you latin or European?
(61) Captain Poppy
Nov 16th, 2014 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a grown up Yank..., a married man..., a family man.... wouldn't it be proper to turn down for the foul language?
You sound just like a Nigga..., Nigga.
Anyhow...
Yes, using the Yankee understanding of the word “Latino”, it would be quite safe for you to assume that I'm 100% Latinoamericano of pure, uncontaminated boreal European stock...
@56
Nov 16th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup. Saw that coming, 'sluts' 'hos'. All women are virgins or whores?
Oh dear. There is no hope for you. That insideous Catholic trope of the Madonna/whore complex has twisted your brain.
I don't know why I bother.
I think Stink is on a crack binge, she's been up for 12+ hrs posting here without a break.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 063.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A teen that gets pregnant at 16 yo is pretty much a ho. That is the problem with you marxist and feminists you keep on making up new concepts to hide the truth of everything that is inconvenient to your worldview...
What would you define them as in your PC peanut brains; just a victim of “patriarchy”??
FFS. Cut the crap.
And you have run out of arguments as you always do in these issues.
You so basic and easy ilsen once you are off in these topics.
57 YB
Nov 16th, 2014 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yep, that crack habit of Think Turnip's is keeping him up all night- getting confused too!
His “carpooling” new buddy, on the other thread, both refer to Kiciloff as “the boy” - a term of familiarity only used by El Turnip exclusively, until now.
It's a shame there isn't a breakdown in the figures which shows how many of these teens are 18-19 yrs old. There is a huge difference between the competence of mothers of that age and girls just a few years younger to raise children effectively.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't have any insights into teenage sexuality in Latin America, but I can say that when it occurs in my country it usually because of low self-esteem. Girls who don't value themselves sufficiently are much more likely to succumb to the blandishments of older lothario's.
The younger you are the harder it is to for see the consequences of your actions. In my experiences older woman were much more likely to insist on their partner using protection - it takes a certain amount of courage to ask for these things.
@65 CD2
“A teen that gets pregnant at 16 yo is pretty much a ho.” Only if they expect money or gifts. There are other exceptions: one of my ex's was raped when she was 15 and fell pregnant as a result. She miscarried and the fetus was buried in a special part of the local cemetery reserved for such cases. Also, my paternal grandmother was only 14 when she married; she had her first child at 16 and subsequently another 9. It was the cultural norm in the country she was born in. She was a remarkable woman.
67.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course Im referring to pregnancies that result of consensual sex.
The point is you cant change the names of things to please political correctness and the feelings of people. If you don't addresses things for what they are and blame somebody who doesn't have the fault of anything there will be no solution to the problem...
You want to know what sexuality is for young teens in Latam ??? You don't need to know spanish, just google any crappy Reggaeton clip or search it in YT and you will have promiscuous hos dancing around, latin singer idiots overdressed attempting to portrait wealth by jewelry, cars, cell phones etc. That is what you will see in almost all of them. That is what is mostly listened and watched in Venezuela from where ilsen comes from and the Caribbean spanish speaking countries and I think now south of the USA too. And its utter crap.
Reggaeton is truly crap. Most sensible thing you have said on this thread.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 069.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right so many young teens get pregnant at those young ages because of “patriarchy” (whatever that is) and the Catholic Church. You have said something that I have never heard before and you have illuminated us all. These poor girls are the victims, its not their fault so they don't bear any responsibility.
ufff............yawn
@68
Nov 16th, 2014 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't expect you to “...change the names of things to please correctness and feelings of people.” Just to be accurate. ”ho or the word it's based on - whore - is a very specific derogatory term for a specific activity. If young girls are not accepting money or other gifts for sexual favours they're not whores. It's as simple as that.
For that matter a girl younger than sixteen is not considered to have given consent if her partner is over sixteen. I that case it would be a criminal offence.
I'm going to assume your description of Latam teenage sexuality is accurate, in which case I can say there is not that much difference between Latam and western countries. I don't disagree with the general tenor of your opinions on this subject, just the degree of responsibility you can expect from young teenagers. Sixteen yr olds should never even be in a position where they even have to make decisions like whether or not to have sex. JMO.
#62 mere mortal words and only used in the same context as you use “anglo” and “yank”. As a vet I fins bullets and shrapnel more lethal than words. Is it the opposite for you?
Nov 16th, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, as I asked before do you always answer questions you ask of people with a pre-assumed response so it fits your preconceived notions of others?
Anyway......so why is it that teen latina's are spitting out offspring at a rate twice as much as any other race......or ethnicity or whatever you wish to call it? Is it a values thing?
71.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In my dictionary a ho is a girl who has no self respect for herself and she cant achieve male commitment and feelings, so she gives away sex to multiple partners.
If she is young and is incapable of making decisions ?? You have a point in that one, but again that can only happen if the girl comes from a society and a family that is already broken and has no values or morals.
“If Mary my neighbour, got pregnant at age 15 why cant I get pregnant at 14 yo, she is just one year older than I am ??”
What about the men who have multiple partners? Not sluts then?
Nov 17th, 2014 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This whole discussion went down the toilet when someone started using language like 'sluts' etc. One can't engage with people like that. No point if they are accusing children of prostitution. This is victim blaming of the worst kind. Zero responsibility from these so-called adults.
The whole issue is very complex than to just start blaming 14 year olds.
I still stand by what I said and would encourage everyone to go back and read the final paragraph of the article.
Men cant be sluts because men are not demanded like women are. Its easy to sleep around with many partners if you are a female, but being a man and sleep around demands resources, skills and accomplishments. Therefore its up to women to do most of the quality control...
Nov 17th, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its pretty simple issue, keep your legs shut you hos. End of story, but the problem is nobody is willing to tell the hard truth out of political correctness and fear of the dictatorial likes of you.
“I still stand by what I said and would encourage everyone to go back and read the final paragraph of the article.”
Its crap.
What the final paragraph stands for is for the STATE to take care of the matters, provide this and that. The solution to everything for you marxists is STATE, STATE, STATE.... I have news for you the state already does these things and clearly fails.
So absolutely no responsiblity from 50% of the population? Whilst demeaning and holding back the other 50%?
Nov 17th, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the state already does these things and clearly fails.”
Your State. Your responsibility. oh, no, your just a victim. Isn't that how it works.
No wonder your country is such a mess.
What is 50% of the population?? Who is holding back the women??? Who is holding them back these sluts from keeping their legs closed??
Nov 17th, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FFS woman think what you are saying. I have already asked this question to you and you avoided them now you are running in circles. This is 100% you at 6:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlvvCYUDHrQ
No, State cant solve this end of story. Society has to fix up its own problems and deal with them, but that is done by saying the truth and not your lies.
So, if these uneducated girls are making bad choices and picking the 'wrong' men, don't you think it is about time you thought about educating those men? Or is that these girls responsibility too?
Nov 17th, 2014 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are so quick to blame Society or the State. You don't accept you are part of that Society, you know the one that judges them as all 'sluts'.
Stop avoiding your own role in this horrible situation, You helped create it.
No, I won't be watching any of your crap youtube shite, why not provide factual links to support your out-dated arguments?
Or are you going to play more of the sad Argie 'victimhood' cards?
Oh, and please don't call me a Marxist, it only makes you look foolish. One can be a capitalist, but still believe in socialised health-care & eeducation, and Equality of Opportunity (which helps pay for luxuries like universal 'free-at-the-point-of-arrival' healthcare for all)
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one more thing;
If anyone wish to know the real paulcedron go here;
en.mercopress.com/2014/11/17/falklands-giant-mural-paying-tribute-to-the-royal-navy-painted-by-school-in-hampshire#comment365168
to see him blatantly attacking schoolchildren. I think he is true scum and should be banned.
Please leave your own comments and opinions
78. I already explained you women do by biology the “selection”, im sorry but that is the way it is.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Society nor state doesn't judge them as sluts it calls them “heroes”, and that is totally f_ed up. Yes society is to blame and State cant do anything about it only make things worse off.
“Stop avoiding your own role in this horrible situation, You helped create it.”
Now you are projecting on me because you know it is your own lies and rotten mentality who are to blame for. Pathetic attempt!
How do you know if it isn't factual haven't even watched and besides my point wasn't a fact in there but rather the portrait of yourself victimizing over HardHead's use of the words sluts and hos to victimize and avoid the point.
“Or are you going to play more of the sad Argie 'victimhood' cards?”
Cant you stop projecting for one moment??
You are a cultural marxist, you are so typical and nothing I haven't heard before.
Ilsen you are arguing from a woman s point of view....
Nov 18th, 2014 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have got to think like a guy...and a guy thinks.....I want a shag...I can't fall pregnant.... it's not my problem.....at least 95% of them anyway.....
@79
Nov 18th, 2014 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Amazing. Poor, uneducated teenage girls aren't being exploited on that continent, though pretty much everyone else is being screwed rotten.
81. Ever heard of freedom of choice, responsibility for ones actions??
Nov 18th, 2014 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think women sit in different places on buses and classrooms like your much dear mates, the Ragheads do ?? Do you think they cant own preoperty, go to school, choose a expertise, etc?? Do you think women cant ddrive in Argentina??
What is your point at all?? You just make stuff out of your ar$es with ilsen that dont have anything to do with the reality of these countries you talk about.
European liberals are the same kind of scum than latam lefties, only more sophisticated.
Glad to hear you think I am more sophisticated than you, but flattery won't help. And certainly not a 'leftie' Do you read my posts on Chavismo?
Nov 18th, 2014 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have accused Lat Am men of having the decision making powers of a dog when they smell a bitch on heat. Nice, that you think so highly of your fellow man.
“Ever heard of freedom of choice, responsibility for ones actions??”
Yup. I have. Try it some time.
Are you really telling me that you can't sit next to a woman on a bus without asking her for sex? and if she says 'yes' that you are incapable of making a rational decision?
If that is the case, you have more in common with the 'ragheads' you describe who make women wear Burkas/niqhabs etc.
Then still go and rape and pillage in Syria.
You are the one saying men are incapable of “freedom of choice, responsibility for ones actions??”
that is a sad indictment of your fellow man.
Fortunately I have met many men in Lat Am that do not equate themselves with dogs.
I don't honestly think you do either, but for an old dog, you certainly need to learn a few new tricks...
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@81 HansNiesmund
Always prescient, always succint, always on time.
Now there's a gentleman!
:-)
83.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clutching at straws
I am whiter than you are, you seem to always think Im giving excuses for “latam men”. The rotten criminals, drunkards, bums and low lifes these women pick, when I am complaining of them selecting them, not to mention getting pregnant at 16!! You seem to forget that they are completely dependant on somebody else to provide them and the baby for 9 months. The guy can well and all piss off, and they know this. A lot of these teens just get themselves pregnant in order to catch a guy and that is what nobody says.
And how does this theory of patriarchy and the system work ?? How an earth can they complain that they cant get a job if they reduce their opportunities in the labour market as they get pregnant and become mothers even before they are in working ages?
I'm I supposed to feel jelous of HamasNiesund now ?? HahahAHAAHAhahaa
Yeahh like if in real life you would settle for a mangina than someone that challenges you and states his mind.
“just get themselves pregnant in order to catch a guy and that is what nobody says”
Nov 18th, 2014 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0and I do say that.
Listen to me.
It is exactly that. The men, in Lat Am hold all the power, (therefore the women have limited choices, of course young, ignorant girls will use the one thing they have, BECAUSE you deny them the same opportunity)
I also ask why. You do not, just deny responsibility.
Why is this the situation for these young women?
I made this point earlier. You didn't want to listen.
You are responsibile for this state, (and State), of affairs. You have the the power and the $$$ but do nothing?
you say “ The guy can well and all piss off”
but you accept this? why are you not educating these guys?
come on, you are better than this, if you really want want change, you can't keep blaming Society/'sluts'/crap men, can you?
you are running out of arguments,
I have never said it was a male/female blame deal. I have always said it it is a lack of equality in economic/political power.
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not sure what you meant by 'whiter' earlier, so I will leave that for now. I just hope it wasn't some racist crap.
as for HansN.?
I have lots of friends here. You need to get a grip on your insecurity valve....
@81 Hans
Nov 18th, 2014 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Undoubtably poor uneducated teenage girls are indeed being exploited in South America - and everywhere else for that matter. Sometimes the power dynamics aren't so clear though. A few years a friend of mine told me a story concerning a friend of his who was the stepfather to a 13 yr old girl.
She had gotten involved with a 21 yr old man and nothing her parents could do could dissuade her from seeing the guy. Finally, exasperated, they went to the guys house, stormed in and tried to physically remove her. A brawl ensued and the cops were called. One of the cops was a female officer who took the ( now hysterical ) child to one side and asked her: “If you really love this guy why would you want to put him in this situation?” i.e. risking a beating, criminal charges and an appearance on the sex offender register.
That wise female officer was the only one in this sorry saga who understood the girl had far more power in the situation, and accordingly, more responsibility for resolving it than anyone else was willing to recognise. The girls eyes opened in astonishment and having heard the truth, calmed down and returned home.
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine similar scenarios occurring throughout SA.
@86
Nov 18th, 2014 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0But of course. I'm sure there are plenty similar scenarios occurring throughout SA.
It's a bit of stretch on the other hand, to attribute a reported teenage pregnancy rate of 30% to one single scenario, and you just have to read CD2 to see the attitudes of fear, contempt, and trouser-driven irresponsibility that underlie the whole mess.
@87
Nov 18th, 2014 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fair enough, I certainly wouldn't use the same language as CD uses's to describe teenage girls. I don't think it's helpful to say the least, but I nonetheless think there's truth in his overarching argument.
I also believe that it's common to overlook the fact that girls mature earlier than boys and by no means are all such events resulting in pregnancy the responsibility of predatory older boys or men. I suggest that emotional immaturity, on both sides, is at least as much a factor in these statistics, as it is in my country.
85.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0”It is exactly that. The men, in Lat Am hold all the power, (therefore the women have limited choices, of course young, ignorant girls will use the one thing they have, BECAUSE you deny them the same opportunity)”
No nobody owns the power to get them pregnant!!!! (unless its a rape)
You are not answering a basic question, how do you suppose them women be independent if they already mother in their teens. A employer will have to choose from single applicants and then mothers, he will pick on the single one more reliable, less pay, potencial less problems, etc. You cant blame an imaginary social structure that is all in your head. You are blaming someone else for your own problems.
As I said to you previously nobody is preventing them from becoming mechanics, electricians, plumbers and so on. But what do you expect if they already have a baby at 16?
Its they who will end up spending most of the time with the kid in most cases, if a man isn't able to provide she should be so, but she ends up relaying on the state and begging on the streets.
“I also ask why. You do not, just deny responsibility.” I didn't make babies with anybody that is in her teens if you have to know, and I would most certainly not f:k off if someone comes around with a kid.
I already said to you that its the woman who has the power of choice among many potential sperm donors. There is always going to be scum boys around.
That is why mothers bare most responsability.
And even though those men are scum most of them go to jail, die or have to end up working. Women they just keep on reproducing and whine on cameras how am I supposed to feed my seventh kid??
I am not responsable for this state of affairs. I've seen what goes on in the street, and no liberal farted brains from a London appartment is going to say to me what happens beneath my front door.
“trouser-driven irresponsibility ”
Nov 18th, 2014 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An absolute classic turn of phrase! I'm still laughing!
HansN. You are a Prince amongst men.
No matter what you all say, their will always be a different opinion,
Nov 18th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we thinks you will find that women have been giving birth from a young age since roman times,
and probably before that,
so not much has changed in 2,000 years,
better education
better protection
better knowledge
better understanding
better support
and many other things may well help,
just an opinion.
91 Briton
Nov 18th, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You left out the most important thing - their society needs to teach Social Responsibility, and embrace it fully!
@91 & @92
Nov 18th, 2014 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very important comments. Thank you Briton for bringing absolute clarity to the debate, and thank you to Troy for saying Loud and Clear, exactly what needs to be said.
just look at the article;
”... maternity rates in women from 15 to 19 years of age are Nicaragua (19.9 %), the Dominican Republic (19.7%) and Ecuador (17.0%), while the lowest levels are seen in Uruguay (9.5%), Costa Rica (11.1%) and Peru (11.5%). All the countries have rates that are far above those seen in Western Europe, where adolescent maternity is around 2 %.
Let's just look at that again:
“... Western Europe ... adolescent maternity is around 2 %.”
And CD2 says they have nothing to learn from a “liberal farted brains from a London appartment ”
Please excuse his over-excitement, rage, bad language and typos, I am sure it is all part of what HansNiesund called his “attitudes of fear, contempt, and trouser-driven irresponsibility that underlie the whole mess.”
Couldn't have put it better myself.
I think my work here is done.
93.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Im still waiting for the “liberal farted brains from a London apartment ” to provide a point, to answer my common sense questions and not hide under pathetic backside licking of other posters. Its all just a load of hearsay.
That is the polar opposite collapsing birth rates, the pension system becomes a ponzi scheme and welfare state cant cope, mass immigration is opened to compensate, (yes those will breed you babies).
Its society and only society that can fix itself. And that is done by saying the truth and assuming responsabilities. No more politically correct pandering of women and single mums. I learned today that women in Santiago del Estero get over 5 kids and get a subsidy of $ 2500 for being single mums plus all the money she is giver per each kid. That is so fked up.
oh dear, CD2 has gone 'off the reservation'.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please can we all return to the premise of the article above;
“[teenage mothers] ... the majority of them are underprivileged, which fosters the reproduction of poverty, hinders women's autonomy and their life projects, and underscores the need for public sex education and reproductive health services”
What part of that do you not get, CD2?
We agree that the current situation 'fosters the reproduction of poverty', but you just call them 'sluts' and walk away?
Wow, check out your macho balls!
Thanks for condemning more of humankind into abject poverty. Your attitude stinks.
Your “attitudes of fear, contempt, and trouser-driven irresponsibility that underlie the whole mess.”
You obvious hate and fear women, but lust after these 'sluts'. You are so messed up. Is that is what it is like in 1953?
you said “Its society and only society that can fix itself. And that is done by saying the truth and assuming responsabilities”
But previously you said that men are so irresponible that they will have sex with a 12 year old, but the girls are to blame?
That is a totally sick and perverse attitude.
Then you run away and blame 'society'. You are 'society'.
You should be ashamed.
What part of that do you not get, CD2?
Nov 19th, 2014 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The part where patriarchy and the Catholic Church are to blame, the part where the State is the only answer, the part where you lie. Those are the parts I dont get.
Yes bla bla bla Im so insecure macho trouser driven, etc. Listen I have seing this every single day and what and why it happens and you are going to know better from London ??
Its like Bill Burr said in his sketch, you will kling on to the fact I used the word “slut” in order to victimize, because you know that you aint right.
No I never said men are irresponsible, some are and I also said that these sluts choose them only. Thats too bad and its a fact of life.
“That is a totally sick and perverse attitude.” I agree these women are sick and perverse.
I am not society Im a free thinker and very much anti mainstreem. And you know it very well by now, you are just bitching
oh, it's like talking to mud...
Nov 19th, 2014 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0patriarchy ... men have all the economic power
Catholic Church ... is in your Constitution and is an influence on a macro-level, not a street level. ie: The Law, abortion is illegal, contraception is not welcome, true sex-education doesn't happen, women are virgins or whores (culturally).
In fact you, yes you, are the most classic example.
You think it is OK to fuck kids and walk away, you peadophile.
Even if you peronally don't, your atttitude makes it acceptable.
You are culpable.
Your 'from London' is a cop-out'
1) I have spent many, many years in Lat Am
2) I have Degrees (Grad/Post-Grad) from both a UK University and a Lat Am Uni in Economics / Lat Am Politics & History.
3) I have been, and still am, an employer and business person in Lat Am.
4) I have no idea who Mr Bill Burr is, and no, nor do I care.
You are not a 'free-thinker' you think you are, In fact you are in the chains of the 'ancien regime' but too foolish to realise. Sad old fool.
Finally I am not 'bitching', what a weak insult! You can't be-little my arguments with that 'you're only a woman' crap, you just appear shallow, and intellectually weak. You have argued yourself into a corner. Now you are kicking out at everything, awwww....!
However, this bitch kicks arse. Mostly yours, it would seem...
lol!
:-)
“patriarchy ... men have all the economic power”
Nov 19th, 2014 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0But retard the most powerfull person in this country is a woman. There is no such thing as a sex class that has the monopoly of economic power, its the free market that defines the relations of the sexes in the economy.
But do you seriously think that these girls go to church.????? Bahaahahahahaha fuck ilsen, you now very little of what goes on in the streets in Vzla. Besides the church mandates that women to marry virgin, how come in your stupid mind will the hos pick on the “dont use a condom or go for abortion because Jesus says you will go to hell” but “God will forgive you for not being a virgin why you walk to the altar” does apply..... My ohh my you are so full of crap ilsen, what an idiot you are. You should have closed it because you have lost this one way back now im forced to treat you like a retard.
”Your 'from London' is a cop-out'
1) I have spent many, many years in Lat Am
2) I have Degrees (Grad/Post-Grad) from both a UK University and a Lat Am Uni in Economics / Lat Am Politics & History.
3) I have been, and still am, an employer and business person in Lat Am.
4) I have no idea who Mr Bill Burr is, and no, nor do I care.”
and
5) You are a snob and you speak no common sense
“You are not a 'free-thinker' you think you are, In fact you are in the chains of the 'ancien regime' but too foolish to realise. Sad old fool.”
“ However, this bitch kicks arse. Mostly yours, it would seem...”
I would need to be Big foot to kick yours. And Im younger than you are btw.
how sad.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is a sorry thing to watch the demise of a once great poster.
RIP CD2, you just buried yourself.
92 Troy Tempest
Nov 19th, 2014 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks troy, you are of course correct.
93 ilsen
, I think my work here is done
We agree..
This is a sad state of affairs,
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Guys,, insults just undermine the problem,
And demeans it,
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100.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, Briton, it doesn't work like that what doesn't help the problem is lying and hidding from the truth. I dont give a damn about politically correct polite speaking. I go to the point, I give my arguments, if you start behaving like a fool and avoiding my questions with hearsay, in the face of well established common sence and thought out thinking I say fuck it all I will treat you as I please.
That woman is either ducking her head in the sand or an idiot.
@101
Nov 19th, 2014 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0How dare she argue with a chap who knows the circumstances of every teenage pregnancy in Latin America?
Do you know the amount of girls I come across that want to get a baby out of me ?? You guys haven't lived in Latam why dont you just shut up and listen to what I have to say and try and analyze things from a point of view where it actually makes sense.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mangina HamasNiesund..... Nobody is questioning the falling action of raping a teenage girl. There is no doubt about sending a rapist to prison. The victims can go to a judge by law in Argentina and get a abortion. That is OK.
However when it comes the norm and the most usual which is simply consensual sex and pregnancy as a result in teenage behaviour, nobody is willing to address the problem, You have to start by saying the truth, and not lying and spouting your marxist political agenda and ridiculously blaming Church and “patriarchy” or what ever the f that is.
Its really really; simple finish highschool, dont marry until you get a stable job for over a year and dont get a baby until you are married and you are able to provide it. You liberals dont want see this well, thats to bad if you are not condemning these girls for irresponsible behaviour then there is no point.
Your attitude is to pander these girls, they are victims and the state should educate them and provide them with healthcare, subsidies, education, free contraception. Etc
Free contraception is very much avalible everywhere. Do you really think these women dont know how to use a condom??? FFS get real you guys, you seem to live in a bubble.
@103
Nov 19th, 2014 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How dare she argue with a chap who knows the circumstances of every teenage pregnancy in Latin America?
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Nov 19th, 2014 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Numpty
How is calling children and teenagers 'sluts' and 'whores' actually addressing the problem?
Nov 20th, 2014 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to educate them if you want your prescription to be realised. Or imprison them if they disobey. Maybe you could stone them in public as well?
You are over the top naive... Do you think that these girls with their mothers in their 30s, 7 brothers and sisters from different fathers are going to change because they are told in public national school not to get pregnant??
Nov 20th, 2014 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There needs to be a social condemnation of irresponsable girls for getting pregnant at 16.
Back to 1953 then?
Nov 20th, 2014 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously no women got pregnant outside of marriage then either?
You need to educate the BOYS just as much as the girls.
108.
Nov 20th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes. Pretty much so. In 1953 you didn't get pregnant out of a marriage without a social scandal. And you where pretty much a whore like Evita's mother. That was a daughter of a bitch that was a bitch herself.
GIRLS have the most responsability as they do the selection. BOYS just want to stick it in.
So teach the boys someting different.
Nov 20th, 2014 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0duh!
“How dare she argue with a chap who knows the circumstances of every teenage pregnancy in Latin America?”
Nov 20th, 2014 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why are you posting here any comments at all ?? Because you clearly have no idea of any circumstances of teenage pregancies.
“So teach the boys someting different.”
The State can't teach the boys such a thing, it can only teach them how to use a rubber and how babies are made, that is as much as it goes. You cant teach them to go against biology. How to treat women and be a responsable father, husband or patner comes very much from your own family enviroment. And most of these males are educated by crappy single mothers so the cycle continues on and on.
Im sorry but you are over the top naive and with very little contact with the real world. Go and read the Guardian or whatever...
@111
Nov 21st, 2014 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with much of what you say in that post.
So, how will you prevent the new cycle from turning? Calling people sluts will not help.
Doctor, heal thyself!
I am reminded of a helpful quote from the classic book by M. Scott Peck, The Road Less Traveled.
“Life is Difficult.
This is a great truth, one of the greatest truths. It is a great truth because once we truly see this truth, we transcend it. Once we truly see that life is difficult – once we truly understand and accept it – then life is no longer difficult. Because once it is accepted, the fact that life is difficult no longer matters.
Most do not fully see this truth that life is difficult. Instead they moan more or less incessantly, noisily or subtly about the enormity of their problems, their burdens, and their difficulties as if life were generally easy, as if life should be easy. They voice their belief, noisily or subtly, that their difficulties represent a unique kind of affliction that should not be and that has somehow been especially visited upon them, or else their families, their tribe, their class, their nation, their race or even their species, and not upon others.
And continue to moan and complain, yet do nothing.
Calling people sluts, deny blame or responisbility, excusing teenage boys by refusing to teach 50% of the population a correct role?
How is that helping?
Telling young boys that if they can not control themselves? That they are just dogs on heat?
How is that helping?
You are actually demeaning men.
Wake up and get your own damn coffee, you need it.
Those boys get a goddam bullet in them, havent you read in Brazil for example 6 of them scum are shot every day?
Nov 21st, 2014 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the State and circumstances is in a way coping with the so naughty Boys you talk about, prison, gang violence, police, etc goes cleaning society over time
Well, now its time to focus on the sluts that produce them... Fair enough no more pandering no more political correctness. May they be shamed and treated for what their worth,
Care less.
aaahh!
Nov 21st, 2014 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0now we see the true CabezaDura2
“kill them all”
wow!
I think this conversation is over. I don't debate with socio-paths.
I stand by my comments. I will leave the potential mass-murderer of children and his 'ultimate solution', to stand by his comments.
I really feel for the next generation in Lat Am.
:(
114 ilsen
Nov 21st, 2014 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're wasting your time.
You argued well, but he refuses to accept any kind of Social Responsibility, even when there are other societies in which it is a success.
The sad thing is, there are so many that feel the same way.
A 'me first' society is self-perpetuating.
Im not saying kill them all, Im saying males live by the sword, so meles die by the sword in such a enviroment.... But you keep on ducking your head in the sands as if women have no responsability in the situation.
Nov 21st, 2014 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0115. You dont get my point at all, it is about taking social responsability...Exactly. How an earth do you expect social responsability if nobody wants to admit the underline root of the problem??
116 CD2
Nov 21st, 2014 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0What do you think it would take to break the dependency cycle?
You have to do something different from what you have been doing.
That starts with education of both sexes - Job skills, parenting and responsibility - leading to self-sufficiency, hope, self esteem, ambition...
Accepting welfare ( a life of dependency) can and often does turn into a culture of dependency, passed on from generation to generation, unless something changes.
It's not just in Argentina.
It's bad enough when a perhaps well-intentioned program inadvertently takes away initiative.
It's much worse for society as a whole, when a government stands to gain by keeping voters poor and dependent.
Not easy to overcome, certainly.
117.
Nov 21st, 2014 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0First of all you have to be open about the problem and honest about it.
I dont know for the rest of Latam but you set the Argentina tv on and you will see a mother in some protest or march or whatever crying out loud -many times- and asking to the reporter.
”¿¿COMO HAGO YO SEÑOR, TENGO 5, (6, 7,8 etc) CRIATURAS QUE DARLE DE COMER ?? ”
They will say that soon when they start running against the supermarkets now in December. In the way that is sentanced is that those kids she has to feed are a random circumstance independent of her freedom of choice, as if some stork had come flying along to the slums and dumped 6 kids on her.
Yet NEVER the reporter will reply why did you have so many kids. And the guy Im sure will get a huge media backlash by the left and be sacked.
But that is not the point, the point is why cant we ask questions?? Why cant we ask those girls why do they produce so many kids at so young age??
To fix a problem I repeat you must be able to know the causes of it. All I know by talking to my grandparents is that these back in time was condemened even in low class which were far more conservative back then. Of course families where biggish too, but in the context of marriages, so the kid that grows up in a family with both parents (and maybe grandparents are around) has far more of a chance in life even if of poor backgrounds than a kid that is born to a single poor mother who is not able to provide for herself, has little or no experiance in the labour market, is on welfare, and has multiple boyfriends and such, dad is in jail or is a drunk bum
Over time I understand that there is a point to traditional social structures and religious dogmas, and Im far from being perfect myself nor being an example of anything, but I acknoledge that there is a point to it all, even if femenism, political correctness, free love and other forms of cultural marxism question it.
@118
Nov 21st, 2014 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Traditional social structures and religious dogmas, kinda like Muslims, you mean?
No I mean Judeo Christian values. Argentina is founded upon them retard, didnt you know??
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's just what I thought. Funny thing is, some of these Jadaeo-Christian values you've been loudly proclaiming here - honour codes and shaming of sinners, draconian punishments for offenders, measures to protect the helpless rutting male from the terrifying power of female sexuality, etc, etc, etc, - are remarkably similar to traditional Muslim values which you're also keen to warn us are threatening to destroy our culture.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or maybe you meant some other Judaeo-Chrisitian heritage, such as the Crusades, the Inquisition, or the auto da fe, maybe? Some of these values certainly contributed to the creation of Latin America, along the way.
Mind you, credit where credit's due. Argentina seems to have turned out a pretty decent Pope, as Popes go, especially in historical terms.
121,
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“honour codes and shaming of sinners, draconian punishments for offenders, measures to protect the helpless rutting male from the terrifying power of female sexuality, etc, etc, etc, ”
When did I ever say those things?? Why do you blaspheme and lie so much you marxist turd ???
Its very easy dont marry till you have a job and a stable income for over a year, dont have a kid till you are over a year married at least and you are able to provide its upbringing.
Dont compare the treatment of women in the UK by Muslim scum to that of Argentina, because you just dont hold water.
As I told you we dont rape women, we dont order them to ware sheets over them, we dont commit honour crimes, cut off their clits and prohibet them from driving and owning property nor we even arrange marriages like it happens in the United Caliphate of Britanistan.
So you can shut the f.ck up because you know you are wrong.
The Pope is a communist turd and doens't represent me.
@122
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try reading your own posts again. Once was enough for me.
I must admit though, I'm a little surprised the Catholic Church apparently isn't benighted enough for you. I guess it must have moved on a bit since it was supporting dictatorships everywhere, and helping Nazis escape to Latin America.
But seriously, if you're looking for kindred spirits, I think the best place to find your own spirit of generosity, tolerance, and respect for others would be somewhere in the umma. Perhaps not on the wilder shores of it, and certainly not in the UK, but maybe North Africa or somewhere like that.
Ohh so its what you think or you inteprit of my post and comments, not what I actually said, nor you can actually pin point anything. I see.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are so full of shit HamasNiesund.
@124
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try reading your own posts again. Once was enough for me.
125
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you claim or accuse something of someone, you might as well back it up, its not very difficult. Its innocence until proven guilty. Not the other way round. Its not very difficult HamasNiesund... copy paste a text that you claim portraits my holding the same beliefs and attitudes to women as your muslim overloards do.
You just make up shit in your own mind and shovell it as you please...
Lefty, Guardianist, anti semitic, Muslim lover, mangina brought up in communal housing... LoL what a pack of shit. Your father should have shot himself in the balls.
@126
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try reading your own posts again. Once was enough for me.
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Nov 22nd, 2014 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Try reading your own posts again. Once was enough for me.”
I know, I'm a living book of knowledge and awesomeness.
@128
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure anybody who's interested enough will reach their own conclusion.
And guess what Hamas, people in the Pope in the FAO summit thread have obviously done so...
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are boring predictable, stupid, out of touch with reality and brainwashed as ilsen. You are just a lefty liberal. You are old stuff, not modern nor revolutionary anymore. Thats why you are losing to UKIP and National Front.
Really? I haven't paid attention to that thread. Is there anybody in there wants you to get them pregnant? Maybe the Pope would approve?
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nahhh you are just trolling now
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nahhh, I'm just bored with endless repetition
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only idiot that is feeble and argument less and just repeating himself like an idiot is yourself is you.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now fuck off
@134
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was going to, but I'm just too curious about where you get those monitors with the integrated windscreen wiper?
Father Christmas gave my one after collecting points in troll bashing, but why dont you like your windscreen clean after the job is done (and then clean Mohammeds one) ??
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was just curious, I thought at first they were only issued to Malvinistas, but it seems that all the foaming at the mouth nutters over there get them. I don't need one myself, I don't have any issues with foam, spittle, or drooling.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I don't need one myself, I don't have any issues with foam, spittle, or drooling” but you sure do one to clean the jizz on your screen. Lick up now.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to disappoint, but I don't have any fantasy teenage sluts on my screen either, pleading with me to make them pregnant. No wonder you have such difficulty maintaining a coherent argument.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, I think you've condemned yourself enough already, but carry on by yourself if you like. You must be used to that.
Finished licking??? After you are done remember to clean Ahmed and Mohammed
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup.
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0CONDEMNED!
*bangs gavel*
:)
Well played HansN.
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