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Gibraltar with new air links: to Bristol and Morocco
The Gibraltar Chamber of Commerce has welcomed the announcement of new air links to the UK and to Morocco, highlighting the tourism and business opportunities they will create. In a statement, it said the addition of the Gibraltar-Bristol route would open up additional markets for visitors, both business people and tourists, from Wales and the south west of England. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGood for them, and Bristol (it has to be said) is one of the more civilised airports in the UK.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry. What about a jet version of the Carvair? Build the right aircraft and base them at the right airports. I want to drive to my (local) airport, see my car driven aboard a Jetvair, board, fly, watch it driven off in Gibraltar, drive away. What's the problem? Maybe buy some Hercules and change the engines?
Nov 18th, 2014 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good for Gibraltar. Using their location strategically to provide services others do not and thereby boosting their growing economy further.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good thinking!
#55 Troll in the dark.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please dont hate the whole EU just because of Britains colonial exploits.
If you ask around Europe you'll see that most countries in Europe have also had to defend against Britains ... 'ambitions' ... at some point.
Indeed some, like Gibraltar, or the north of Ireland still have to tolerate their own version of the pesky kelper (kelpus occupus).
@4
Nov 18th, 2014 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic
@5 Leirard
Nov 18th, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed.
@ 4 Prizewinner of Most Pointless Post Today.
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I also congratulate Transport Minister Neil Costa and his team at the Gibraltar Tourist Board and all those who have been instrumental in making these new routes a reality.
it is people like these who get the economy moving and provide jobs for people and income for the Gov to then in turn invest or spend for the benefit of said people.
Well Done Gibraltar!
(average GDP per Capita US$ 50,000 - 2014 est.)
“or perhaps they never considered Gibraltar as a convenient destination.”
Nov 18th, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0exactly.
they will never consider gibraltar as a convenient destination.
the macacos can include all the new air links they want, but they will remain the same shitty rock as always.
by the way, beautiful atr 72-500, but that little airport in gibraltar is not even viable for a piper pa 11.
oh paulie, you are funny!
Nov 18th, 2014 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Double click on the photo. Now move to the right of the screen. What is written on the blue sign? Look at the background as well.
Where do you think the photo was taken?
I suggest you ask the (http://www.icao.int/about-icao/Pages/default.aspx) if they think Gibraltar is a viable airport or not?
As usual, just posting your jealousy. Did you like the photo of a Gripen I posted for you?
Here is another, with lots of info/spec.
http://www.icao.int/about-icao/Pages/default.aspx)
Do you really, really want one?
I will have to check on the Veto to see if you are allowed....
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umm... no, sorry.
:-)
ilsen,
Nov 18th, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why you opine when:
1. you have never been in that shitty airport, considered the worst in the world.
2. you dont have the slightest idea about planes.
the corridor of that f*cking airport passes through the main street of the shitty rock, you ass.
yes, only a gibraltarian could design that merde.
as i wisely said: read more and travel more, uneducated isleters.
@9 puerile-cedron “considered the worst in the world.”
Nov 18th, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you support that statement?
Is that 72-500 in Gibraltar or not? Did you actually look at the RAF sign on the wall?
(it is both a military and civillian airport for those unfamiliar with Gib.)
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I have been in Ezeiza Ministro Pistarini International Airport and it was horrible, thankfully it was on a transfer to Chile!
Please don't go to Simon Bolivar Airport, (Maiquetia) after dark, the thugs and theives will rip you open, if the police and army don't take all your USD in bribes first! A truly nasty place at night.
However, El Dorado in Colombia, is bright, modern and welcoming! Doesn't have all the facilities but is still very good and a sign of Colombia's future.
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PS: How is that Veto working out for you?
Thank you Spain.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Paul is right. It is quite a sight driving (or in my case walking) across the runway. If almost consider it a tourist attraction.
@9 puerile-cedron “considered the worst in the world.”
Nov 18th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you support that statement?
@9 paulcedron
Nov 18th, 2014 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what's the difference between your mum and a walrus?
One of them had a moustache and smells like fish. The other one is a walrus..
@9 puerile-cedron “[Gibraltar] ... considered the worst in the world.”
Nov 18th, 2014 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you support that statement?
Yes or No?
[4] very childish
Nov 18th, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and paulie , what he knows about airports of the world, may well cover a fag paper..lol
paulie just posts, and runs....!
Nov 18th, 2014 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He can't back up his foolish statements.
I think it is great that Gib is exploring other sources of revenue.
This attitude is what gives them an average GDP per Capita US$ 50,000, with Spain at less than half (!) that at US$ 24, 7500 and Argentina with a mere US$ 17, 900.
Which just shows that Spain is closer to a Third World Country like Argentina than it is to Gibraltar.
None wonder there are queues to get in!
Pablo has been playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator again with his Beechcraft after playing polo with his rugby mates.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 013
Nov 18th, 2014 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the only women in the world who have moustaches and smell like fish are from england or the islets.
so i guess you are one of them.
“Britons are among the ugliest people in the world, according to a website that only allows 'beautiful' people to join.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6542263/British-people-among-worlds-ugliest-according-to-BeautifulPeople.com.html
“British women tourists are the 'ugliest in the world'”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6542263/British-people-among-worlds-ugliest-according-to-BeautifulPeople.com.html
buenos aires women, on the other hand:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6542263/British-people-among-worlds-ugliest-according-to-BeautifulPeople.com.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6542263/British-people-among-worlds-ugliest-according-to-BeautifulPeople.com.html
so, ... a comerla....
ilsen
you cant be more nabo, no?
read, watch the picture and learn about airports, you nabo.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6542263/British-people-among-worlds-ugliest-according-to-BeautifulPeople.com.html
#9
Nov 18th, 2014 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike you, I have had experience of Gibraltar airport in the 1960's.
I flew in and out in Vickers Viscounts and the Vanguard...which was considerably larger than your atr 72 500
My brother flew Shackleton mk 11 with 224 squadron for three years and I cannot remember any accidents there despite being occasionally harassed by Spanish built Me 109's. The RAF also landed Argosies, Beverleys, VC 10's and just about every aircraft in RAF and Fleet Air Arm service including the occasional V Bomber.
I have lots of photographs of these aircraft on the dispersal pans which I took from the top of the Rock.
So, I have to ask, from where do you get your stupid ideas ?
By the way, it was designed by the British as a military airport not a Gibraltarian.
The only thing you have stated correctly is that the road out of Gibraltar crosses the runway, but again, oh wise one,given the shape of the peninsula with a bloody big rock in the middle, with your aeronautical and civil engineering expertise, how would you have built it. DO TELL !
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Nov 18th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that´s the point, grandpa.
they cannot have an airport in that stinky rock.
it is against any security measure.
mostly when those llanitos get drunk and drive through the runway.
@9 puerile-cedron “shitty airport, considered the worst in the world.”
Nov 18th, 2014 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you support that statement?
@18
A link to scariest RUNWAYS,
(for the fainthearted and inexperienced, like yourself, you should try Merida, Vnzla, taking off directly in to the face of a mountain in a 12-seater, now that is fun! unfortunately it is now closed to commercial traffic due to your chavista mates. I really don't think you have the balls for it though...).
Anyway, your said Gibraltar is the worst AIRPORT, not scariest RUNWAY.
He is now reduced to criticising the geography and geology of Gibraltar! That is like saying 'Argentina is shite because it does not have a Pacific Coast”
How desperate is that?
Gibraltar is crap because it is small??!!?!!?
lol! It is amazing what the inventive Brits have done with the place.
An airport, a sea-port and an average GDP per Capita US$ 50,000.
Another fail from paulcedron. I don't know why he bothers with me. I don't think he has won a debate yet. EVER!
hahahahahaha!
21 nabo ilsen
Nov 18th, 2014 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you have never won a debate nor anything.
even when it is in your first language, you moron.
would love to see you chatting in french, spanish, italian, german, whatever.
you would look even more nabo than now.
and that is a lot.
LOL
about airports, read, learn and then come here again, lazy isleter.
Paul = baludo, everyone knows that… inaccurate, dim, stupid troll, vexed with jealous rage because he is forced to live in England, its obvious. Daytime work as a swede picker living in a damp caravan in lincolnshire.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 pablo
Nov 18th, 2014 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given up on the hunting then ?
To sum up:
Nov 18th, 2014 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pablo RentBoy starts by saying Gibraltar has the worst airport in the world.
22 posts later,
He has been unable to back that up.
Meanwhile, the far superior, and better looking, Brit posters have demonstrated time and again, with photos, personal anecdotes, and links, that the airport safely serves all types of aircraft, commercial and military.
Case closed.
Pablo, off to bed.
“Uncle” Enrique will be along shortly - to “tuck you in”.
toy
Nov 18th, 2014 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0everybody knows you are not too bright, but anyway, how would you qualify an airport which sole runway is crossed by a route crowded with cars?
cars driven by...macacos.
still thinking....?
you didn't get it....?
it is a shower of shite you dumbass.
about your sexual fixations and stuff, go see a shrink, trolazo.
try not to embarrass yourself even more.
@25 Troy
Nov 18th, 2014 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lovely sentiments, and a nice summary. Thank you.
To sum up the puerile-cedron, here is a handy 'cut-out-and-keep' guide to his posts. (You may want to 'copy-and-paste' for future reference).
So Predictable. (title)
1) accuse any English speaker of never having left the Falklands
2) say 'you have never been there' (where-ever it is)
3) make speculative assumptions
4) insult the poster
5) say their opinion is irrelevant,
6) insult the location
7) make up some stuff
8) lie (based on a very quick google search)
9) lie some more, whilst totally failing to understand the article/situation
10) look like a knob-head dunce
delete (1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9) as appropriate;
#10 is always a given.
So there you have it, the puerile-cedron manual for every time he is angry/completely wrong/has no argument.
Simples!
Meanwhile, Gibraltar is on track for a fantastic year, (US$ 64, 000 GDP per capita. estimated by The World Bank)
http://eatsweatseek.com/2014/05/27/worst-airports-gibraltar/
Nov 19th, 2014 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0They do say, that those who insult as ugly are normally just envious of themselves,
Nov 19th, 2014 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0to say the brits are ugly , is to remind these, that forgetting ones glasses can seriously embarrass ones self, especially when he was looking in the mirror at the time,
paulie , lolol
Olisipo...Erm, this is someones personal blog about the time they flew into Gibraltar (or didn't as it turns out). The main emphasis of the blog relates to how shitty the Spanish were with customs at Malaga Airport and then at Gibraltar. The plane was diverted because of high winds, they didn't even land at Gib Airport. He/She is complaining that they divert flights because of the high winds and the subsequent nightmare to get from Malaga to Gib.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The title is even misleading, did you read the blog? Says more about the inept Spanish then the Gibs. Suggest you read what you link to next time.
A blog!
Nov 19th, 2014 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL
Hahaha
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
A blog..... OMG the Spanish education system is killing me.
@ Buzzsaw As a matter of fact, the crunch of that blog can be found in the many times that planes trying to land in Gibraltar must be diverted to Malaga. That is a fact, not a personal point of view.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Gibraltar airport is regularly listed as one of the scariest in the world.
http://thelisticles.net/the-most-dangerous-airports/1448/3/
nabous various
Nov 19th, 2014 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0even for an isleter, educated in that community school, it should not be so difficult to understand that a runway crossed by a road is the worst solution ever.
International Civil Aviation Organisation
“The Gibraltar Airport, sometimes called North Front Airport, is considered the most dangerous airport in Europe. Located only 500 meters from the Gibraltar city center, the runway for this airport cuts right through the city. One of the scarier aspects of this airport is that a busy street, Winston Churchill Avenue, intersects the runway. Because of this, when a plane lands or takes off, the road has to be closed.”
got it now?
burros
So what is your point? Little Pauli stated that the airport was the 'worst in the world', you added a link of a blog site 'worst airports Gibraltar', which I pointed out was about the plane being diverted to Malaga, yes flights are diverted from Gibraltar because of strong cross winds, but the blog related mostly to the hassle of getting from Malaga to Gib and the customs clearances. SO how does that make it the 'Worst Airport in the World'.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is a list of the worst Airports world wide and then for Europe, cited in European and US media sources using the same poll. I don't see Gib in there anywhere, do you?
1. Islamabad Benazir Bhutto International Airport, Pakistan
2. Jeddah King Abdulaziz International Airport, Saudi Arabia
3. Kathmandu Tribhuvan International Airport, Nepal
4. Manila Ninoy Aquino International Airport, Philippines
5. Tashkent International Airport, Uzbekistan
6. Paris Beauvais-Tille International Airport, France
7. Frankfurt Hahn International Airport, Germany
8. Bergamo Orio al Serio International Airport, Italy
9. Berlin Tegel International Airport, Germany
10. New York City LaGuardia International Airport, USA
Europe
1. Paris Beauvais-Tille International Airport, France
2. Frankfurt Hahn International Airport, Germany
3. Bergamo Orio al Serio International Airport, Italy
4. Berlin Tegel International Airport, Germany
5. Rome Ciampino International Airport, Italy
6. Barcelona Girona-Costa Brava International Airport, Spain
7. Paris Orly International Airport, France
8. London Luton International Airport, England
9. Warsaw-Modlin Mazovia International Airport, Poland
10. Rome Fiumicino International Airport, Italy
So Pauli, you have gone from 'worst in the world' to 'considered most dangerous in Europe'. Although a link would be nice as it say 'it cuts right through the city', hmmm is that made up maybe....
Please, don't cheat. That is not a list of the more dangerous airports in the world, but the ranking of the more unconfortable. Try again.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.sleepinginairports.net/2014/worst-airports.htm
What a load of rubbish.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Gibraltar airport has traffic crossing the runway, but this is stopped well before any planes land and the runway is meticulously checked for any objects.
There is a £50 million state of the art terminal and the airfield is operated by the RAF.
When you consider this plus the relatively low number of flights, you realise that it does not really cause a majour problem.
There are ongoing plans for a tunnel under the runway.
Olisipo, where did I say that was a list of the most dangerous airports, read my post again carefully and then you can apologise and maybe you can try again, as Think likes to say...Educate yourself Turnip.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is what I said ...'Here is a list of the worst Airports world wide and then for Europe, cited in European and US media sources using the same poll. I don't see Gib in there anywhere, do you?'. What don't you understand about the word 'Worst'
@ Buzzsaw You are playing with words. I said that the Gibraltar airport is a very dangerous one, above all when landing (BTW I have suffered that experience and I wont repeat it) and I quoted studies on the matter. Instead of admitting it, you tried to deviate the issue quoting a source which doesn't say anything on this danger, and I found it by my own. If you really think that a scary military-cum-civil installation is not dangerous because it doesn't appear in a list of unconfortable ones, you have a problem.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 olisipo
Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So are you saying that Gibraltar airport is dangerous, or, landing at Gibraltar airport can sometimes be dangerous? Please be precise. I reckon you're far more likely to be stabbed at Buenos Aires airport than you are at Gibraltar airport.
Does that mean that Gibraltar is safer than Buenos Aires ?
@ 38 olisipo
Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The facts are as follows:
1) When winds blow above a certain number of knots ALL airfields become unsuitable to use;
2) There is a standard airport to divert to and alternate to that as well;
3) Airline pilots are VERY skilled at landing and taking off safely in all standard conditions:
The ONLY “crash” in the area I can find involved a Canvair in 1965 that crashed into the sea EIGHT miles away from Gibraltar and it was destined for Morocco. 49 years ago and it had NOTHING to do with Gib.
Have you EVER piloted an aircraft, I seriously suspect you never have and therefore are talking out of your arse.
Get a grip or DON'T TAKE A PLANE you frightened little argie or Spaniard, or whatever you are.
@38 olisipo
Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not really sure what your point is?
It looks to me that it boils down to you being resentful that there is an airport there at all - you have to find some way to fault it.
To make matters worse for you - it is very strategically located, which is not to your liking either.
Obviously, the Gibraltar citizens and the UK feel it is very important to have that airport. They've built it to the best of their abilities, given the terrain and area limitations.
I am sure it is worth enough to them, that they will forgive or make allowances for such limitations, and risk the 'disapproval' and criticism of people like you.
Sorry it's not 'up to your standards'.
Now lets look at Gibraltar airport, its unique features and why this confuses a lot of people into thinking it is 'dangerous', just because it is unusual.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The runway sticks out into the sea - nothing unusual with this, other airports do it as well, in fact (statistically speaking) probably significantly safer than flying over houses. Flying is far safer than getting in a car, but the tiny micro fraction of aviation accidents, you would really want them over the sea than peoples houses truthfully). To repeat, sea is not usual, not a problem.
The runway length - the runway is NOT actually that short. The sea just lets you see it easily and makes it more noticeable. Many regional airports in the UK have shorter runways, etc. The runway is a perfectly fine length for the type of aircraft that fly to Gibraltar. It is at the shorter end of the sizes of runway you typically get, but there are many shorter, and Gibraltar does NOT take bigger aircraft than are approved for that length.
As I said, urban myth and the fact you can clearly see the runway make people think it is 'too short'. This is not helped when (on take off) aircraft rev their engines up high before going down the runway. People say “they don't do that in Heathrow” The reason is that the same shorthaul plane doesn't need to do it at Heathrow because it as a long runway. But if you got a bit longhaul plane from heathorw, it revs its engines at heathrow. The only reason a small one doesn't need to is that the runways at big airports are built for longhaul aircraft, so the short haul ones can use them differently.
Next the rock is close to the runway - well, it is nearby, however you fly PARALLEL to it, you don't fly at it. The high control tower at Heathrow (or most other big airports) is also high obstacle but, like the rock, it is PARALLEL to (i.e. offset from) the runway, and control towers are frequently much closer to runways than the rock is to gibraltar runway. so it is not a problem as an obstacle.
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Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Winds - it is TRUE that the rock does create a lot of unusual (i.e. doesn't happen at other airports) wind patterns.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However these are very well understood. Keep in mind Gibraltar airport is also RAF Gibraltar, there has been a full professional MET (meteorological weather) Office there since it began flying military flights (and they are interested in all types and size of aircraft). They understand the weather, and what the winds will be like - and (as happens for all airports) the aircraft are issued with books of charts explaining them. All the is unusual is that Gibraltar as a larger number of different wind charts than most airports. So the pilots are never 'surprised' by the weather effects they experience, they are (as everywhere) given the final weather update as they arrive to land.
I will come back to the weather and turbulence in a minute, but note this is really a depths of winter problem only, unless very unlucky in summer and a storm blows through for a day (rare).
The approach path - because of Spanish political restrictions, aircraft flying into Gibraltar airport don't fly over Spanish land during the final approach. As a result, when coming into land from the west, they come in over the Bay of Gibraltar, the aircraft keeps turning to line up with the runway as it gets lower, before landing.
Keep in mind: All they are avoiding is nothing more solid than a line drawn on a map, there is no physical obstacle there. The worst that happens would be they don't do it, and Spain will send a complaining letter. But it is not a problem.
The turn is no tighter than an aircraft makes in many other approaches around the world, totally within limits. It is just that is easier to notice you are turning because of the surroundings. And a plane turning - when you have something out of the window to see it relative to - always feels tighter than when viewed from outside.
The road across the runway - the airport runway does have a road going across it that is cl
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Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pelotudos
Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and when in your f*cking lives have you piloted a plane, you bunch of dumbassholes?
even for a low range plane like the one in the picture, it is a mess to cross a road were a bunch of leaky cars and trucks driven by macacos have circulated 10 minutes before you land.
that shitty airport should be banned for commercial planes like the i.c.a.o. has already stated.
and let me tell you something, you ignorant isleters, the quality of airports is related with the location, altitude, geographic accidents, and in the worst of the cases like in gibraltar, with urban obstacles.
so you boludo @34, take that list and shove up your @ss.
The road across the runway - the airport runway does have a road going across it that is closed when it is used. This is uncommon, but not actually unique. However, the runway is inspected each and every time before use. In fact, this is probably one of the most continually and intensely inspected runways in the world. Barriers do come down on the road, like a railway level crossing. However spike strips are also placed across the road, and there are armed police at both sides. (and more than you will see, but they are there). Remember this is an RAF base as well.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sometimes read silly comments on youtube eg “my mate and I ran under the barriers, etc”, these are complete lies. It would be a major incident if someone even attempted it, it doesn't happen. (And they would be stopped). Again, while Gibraltar airport only gets a handful of flights a day, and the security level is raised for them, then lowered when not in use, when it IS in use, the security level is probably far higher than at many small airports that don't have a road.
Coming back to weather, and also where to sit for the best views:
The one problem that is real, is wind. The problem is not how strong it is, it is just what angle the wind direction is that day. Depending upon wind direction, a variety of different weather effects are produced, but all are understood.
Sadly if the wind direction does come from a very small range of angles, the airport is closed, and flights are diverted (people would be sent by bus to/from the divert airport). This is only a tiny range of angles, but they (like everyone in aviation) don't take chances. If it is too turbulent for passengers, they don't do it.
The bulk of wind angles don't cause this problem, however it does vary how you approach the rock.
At all airports, aircraft take off and land pointing into the wind as much as they can. This happens everywhere simply because doing things into the wind is a lot easier and more efficient than doing them with t
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Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the wind blows from the East, you therefore approach an airport from the west. In the case of Gibraltar this means you come round over the bay lining up.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the wind is (essentially) gusty or turbulent (as can happens anywhere) the plane can get shaken a bit - but keep in mind, this does NOT mean it is in difficulty, it is still flying perfectly fine, it is more like going over bumbs in a road somewhere.
If the wind is coming from the West, you therefore approach the airport from the East. in the case of Gibraltar, this means you don't have to do the turn you get with the other approach. However, an approach from the East can be the more interesting one for weather at Gibraltar. As I said, the weather is well understood, basically at certain wind angles, it causes you (as you get quite close to the runway and touch down point) to experience a down-draft followed by an up-draft. This only happens under a small range of conditions, it is in the charts, the pilots know it, know what it will be like. You do feel it, but like everything it can feel more violent than it is.
I don't know which airline you are flying, and what their policy is with seating. easyJet used to have a'free for all' (so you picked your seat when you sat down on boarding), but now it is allocated. Monarch have allocated, and some people pay to choose in advance, others get it allocated at checkin.BA let people choose their seat for free when they do online checkin etc, or pay to do it in advance of that.
If you had complete choice of seat, and the weather forecast says the wind at Gibraltar will be Easterly (as it says right now for Saturday on BBC weather: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2411585 ) then the approach will be from the west, coming in over the bay. While I wouldn't put any expense into changing it if you already have seats - especially since the weather can change even during the day - but if you are seated on the right hand side of the aircraft (seats D, E F) - with F as the wi
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Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but if you are seated on the right hand side of the aircraft (seats D, E F) - with F as the window), then you get a good view of the rock as the aircraft flys around the bay to land.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On sunday, the wind direction is currently forecast to change during the day, so (as per all airports) it will change the direction of operations at some point. If you do approach from the East (because the wind is coming from the West), then the seats on the left hand side, (A, B, C - with A as the window) give you a look a the rock off to the left in the final stages of the approach, but it is very quick look. The aircraft will then turn around and taxi to the terminal, so on the F window seat you get a slower look at the rock.
As I said, I would not pay money into sorting this out or chaning it, but if you had a free choice, I would sit right hand side (F seat) if it is wind from the East, or changable. so that you get the view of the rock, if you do end up coming round the bay.
(although the other thing to keep in mind is from London to Gibraltar you are flying south, so before noon the A seat window has the sun shining in, and afternoon it is the F window. The sun can be bright, so you might have the window blind closed during the cruise of the flight, etc.
Some new people to landing at Gibraltar do panic because they are low over the water before the runway. This is no different to being low over land before the runway. If you do come over the bay, the aircraft will bank to turn - it is supposed to. It feels more extreme than it is, but everything is well within limits. They don't push their luck.
Be happy - you are flying to one of the worlds most INTERESTING airports, but it is not dangerous.
@46 paulcabron
Nov 19th, 2014 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the only plane you'll ever use is the one they use for woodwork. I've seen your Facebook pics. You're far too fat to be allowed on any aircraft. In fact, you're so fat your blood type is ragu.
Olisipo…@38….go back to your first post @28, what was the blog about, someone complaining that their flight was diverted because of strong winds, the blog entitled ‘Worst Airports Gibraltar’, complaining about the hassle of getting from Malaga to Gibraltar, (Spanish customs etc.)
Nov 19th, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then @32 you change to Gibraltar is on the list of ‘Scariest Airports’ and give a link. So now like Pauli you have changed from ‘worst airport’ to ‘scariest /most dangerous’ airport.
Then @34 when I pointed out that Paulie had moved the goal posts and I posted a list of ‘Worst Airports’ (worst, not scariest /Dangerous) which Gibraltar is not one, you accuse me of cheating even though it was you, like Paulie that changed from ‘Worst’ to ‘Scariest/most dangerous’ and so on it went.
Obviously you are not a native English speaker as you and Paulie do not seem to know the difference between ‘Worst’ and ‘Dangerous’ and think they are interchangeable. It is you my dear Olisipo that is playing with words, I have at no point argued that Gibraltar is not a scary/ dangerous airport to land at, I have only argued that is not the ‘WORST AIRPORT IN THE WORLD’. It is you and Pauli boy that have deviated form the original posed comment.
Now, f*ck off ……and when you get there, f*ck off a little more
@46 Pauli, how many fatal crashes in Gib in the last 40 years, how many at BA airport? It is a perceived danger based on local conditions, not based on actual crashes.
Haha after all that, the truth is you can now fly to Bristol and Morocco from this airport.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one is being forced to use this airport. Indeed Spain is full of worthless empty or under-utilised airports that would love the economic activity of new flights.
53 Buzz
Nov 19th, 2014 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The gist of it is... the Trolls don't like it that we have an airport in Gibraltar, so they must find a way to criticise it.
I'll repost my statements @41
“@38 olisipo
Not really sure what your point is?
It looks to me that it boils down to you being resentful that there is an airport there at all - you have to find some way to fault it.
To make matters worse for you - it is very strategically located, which is not to your liking either.
Obviously, the Gibraltar citizens and the UK feel it is very important to have that airport. They've built it to the best of their abilities, given the terrain and area limitations.
I am sure it is worth enough to them, that they will forgive or make allowances for such limitations, and risk the 'disapproval' and criticism of people like you.
Sorry it's not 'up to your standards'.”
pelotudos:
Nov 19th, 2014 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a proper runway for international flights should be more than 2.5 km.
this shitty runway in gibraltar is less than 1.5 km.
luckily they receive less than 30 flights a week.
so, all that blablabla about more air links is just pour la galerie.
no big jets are allowed in that stinky rock, and no more than 30 flights, got it now?
next step is to ban it for commercial flights.
@Leiard Thank you for your interesting information. However, the fact is that the Gibraltar airport is considered the second more dangerous in Europe, after the Funchal airport, in Madeira. According to a report in the History Channel it is the fifth most extreme in the world. (“Most Extreme Airports”, 26 August 2010).
Nov 19th, 2014 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very often its flights must be deviated to Malaga, i. e., to the country which claims the Rock, which is is rather rich.
Could it possibly be that UK pilots and airlines are more professional than their moaning Argentine/Spanish counterparts so that landing at Gib. presents no particular difficulties. The RAF have being doing it for decades.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My brother's squadron never failed to land regardless of weather.
I expect incandescent rage from guess who on that remark !
uk pilots, as everybody knows, are less than average.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0maybe that´s why they had 20 incidents in that shitty airport of gibraltar in just 10 months.
they dont even have a protection system against bird strikes.
again, it is the worst place in the world after malvinas, but their airport is even worse.
@56 paulcabron
Nov 19th, 2014 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“this shitty runway in gibraltar is less than 1.5 km.”
WRONG!!
You're so porky, you need a boomerang to put your belt on.
Jajajaja!!
57 olisipo
Nov 19th, 2014 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have you any proof taht the second more dangerous in Europe is Gibraltar ?
59 paulcedron
Where is this record for these “20 incidents” ?
Where is your proof that “uk pilots, as everybody knows, are less than average” ?
61
Nov 19th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha ha ... LATAM Troll jealousy
@ 61 Leiard
Nov 19th, 2014 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Where is this record for these “20 incidents”?
http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/headlines.php?action=view_article&article=2832
Very poor website, no dates on the page other than months. Basically normal engineering and maintenance logistics causing delays as happens anywhere.
Monarch seem to have poor traing of their pilots however as well as very poor customer relations and mis-specced new planes.
See for yourself.
http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/headlines.php?action=view_article&article=2832
@ 59 POLLY
And hwere are the argie pilots? Stinky, obnoxious, and like all argies self-opinionated to the stars.
Remember: to make money first by an argie for what he’s worth, then sell him for what he THINKS he’s worth!
How true. I’ll offer you a bargain price and take the risk on making a return TEN argie arsewipes! That’s more than fair.
61@ Leiard This is is a report about what you are asking for. Its author works for Globalair.com. I can give you, if necessary, his address and e-mail in Louisville, Kentucky.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.flightstats.com/company/the-most-dangerous-airports/
christine
Nov 19th, 2014 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i will forgive all your inaccuracies, mistakes, errors, nonsense and stuff cause you are funny.
rest of ignoramuses:
get informed before opining.
and try not to be so boring, ignorant isleters.
@33
Nov 19th, 2014 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.”Because of this, when a plane lands or takes off, the road has to be closed.”
It's clearly not dangerous if the road is closed when an aircraft lands-it can surely only be dangerous if the road isn't closed?
@65 paulcabron
Nov 19th, 2014 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you sir, are the ignoramus.
how long is the gibraltar runway again?
Please get informed before opining .
less than 1.5 km, you genius.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thats why no 747, 757 or airbus 380 is allowed in that cesspit
@64 olisipo
Nov 19th, 2014 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is so dificult to understand - The road is closed when there is a landing or tale off.
If the road is closed it is not a problem.
@68 paulcabron
Nov 19th, 2014 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the runway is 1829m long.
that's more than 1.5km.....genius.
You're so stupid, if brains were petrol, you wouldn't have enough to power a motorbike around the outside of a penny. Jajajaja!!
64 olisipo
Nov 20th, 2014 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Global Air - not an official body - just an amateur blog site
Your blogger - a “guest blogger” and an unqualified “aviation buff” from Kentucky - it's nice that he has public email address.
Here is his unqualified “opinion”:
“Gibraltar Airport
Unlike most dangerous airports which have some combination of environmental features to contend with, Gibraltar Airport has a different obstacle that makes it dangerous – Main Street.”
Hmmm, he says there are no “combination of environmental features to deal with...”
and we know from the actual users of the airport that “Main Street” is a non- issue.
Furthermore,
If the airport were truly “dangerous”, the Commercial airlines and their pilots would refuse to use it, it would be approved for use by int'l regulating bodies like IATA.
Insurance companies would refuse to cover airlines that use it.
Maybe you would be better off attacking the economic model of an airline out of Gibraltar vs Spanish airports??
On second thought, maybe not.
:-)
mc imbecile
Nov 20th, 2014 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0that difference of 300 meters means nothing, pelotudo.
1.5 or 1.8 km is the same, it cannot receive long range aircrafts.
understand now where is the difference, you choad?
OMG - another blog!
Nov 20th, 2014 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Spanish education system at its best.
Paul, I know you are upset that Gibraltar has an airport. It doesn't matter what you say, it is still there.
Oh, and you can fly to Bristol or Morocco from it.
@65 Pablo CabanaBoy
Nov 20th, 2014 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“i will forgive all your inaccuracies, mistakes, errors, nonsense and stuff cause you are funny.”
Ha ha, Pablo CabanaBoy !!!
How ironic is THAT statement... ??? LOL!!
@26 Pablo RentBoy
“how would you qualify an airport which sole runway is crossed by a route crowded with cars?”
@59 CabanaBoy
“uk pilots, as everybody knows, are less than average”
@20 CabanaBoy
“they cannot have an airport in that stinky rock.
it is against any security measure.
mostly when those llanitos get drunk and drive through the runway.”
@56 CabanaBoy
“this shitty runway in gibraltar is less than 1.5 km.”
@68 CabanaBoy
“less than 1.5 km, you genius... ”
@72 CabanaBoy
“that difference of 300 meters means nothing, pelotudo.
1.5 or 1.8 km is the same... ”
Pablo, all that crap you've posted - you made it all up, just to annoy us !
It's all BS, and you know it! :-D
Just look here:
@70 McCool
”@68 paulcabron
the runway is 1829m long.
that's more than 1.5km.....genius.
Ha ha ha... You are one frickin' ijit!!!
Say hello to your new Chinese masters LOL!!!
Ja Ja ja ja ja ja ja ja....
This 4th class site is the highlight of Paul's day.
Nov 20th, 2014 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nowt else to do for unemployed Argentineans. They're a dime a dozen.
Yep,
Nov 20th, 2014 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0and he's SO-o-o-o... annoyed !! :-D
Flights to Morocco and Bristol, and...
We have overseas military airbases and RN naval stations that don't rely on the rather reluctant petulant graces of a foreign power, they don't !
Ha ha !
Why is he so anti-british?
Nov 20th, 2014 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because he is a a frustrated Anglophile.
Nov 20th, 2014 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0He luffs you really...
:)
When he is so powerless in his own country and can't change anything - his only option is to project.
Nov 20th, 2014 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0uneducated isleters.
Nov 20th, 2014 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0anti-british?
nah.
i'm all for the honest british taxpayer, who has to spend his few bucks in supporting you lazy isleters.
what i cannot stand is ignorance.
but dont take it as something personal.
it is not your fault isleters.
i blame your poor education system.
It took 20 minutes for a reply. longer than I expected.
Nov 20th, 2014 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see that p. uses a form of the standard Argentinian reply.
Instead of the whole world agrees it is “ everybody knows”
Use this phrase when you cannot provide back up seems to be the only thing in their debating skills.
#59
uk pilots, as everybody knows, are less than average.
That's how they managed to destroy the Argentine air force,in 1982, as a fighting unit while sustaining no losses in air-to-air combat, by being less than average. Suck on that!
@80 poorcedron
Nov 20th, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now, brace yourself because this might come as a shock....
...Not everyone that speaks English comes from the Falklands.
It's ok. It's not your fault that you are a nugget.
I blame your poor education system .
Have Spain or Argentina established any exciting new air links in order to boost their respective economies?
Nov 20th, 2014 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought the international airlines were pulling out of Argentina?
You gotta love pelotudos boy Paulie!!
Nov 20th, 2014 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again, showing that because Buenos Aires is “most tolerant, anti racist and anti discriminatory city in the world” and as he is a “pelotudos”............. sorry!! So sorry , I meant to say that because he is a “product of the city of Buenos Aires” that he is worldly wise and with out ignorance and prejudice...........
The Whole World knows he is just an angry fool.
Nov 21st, 2014 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0And by his ethos I have no need to justify or support that statement!
:)
A Boeing landing in Gibraltar almost crashes with a bus
Nov 21st, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://youtube.com/watch?v=pgyj_oIn7A0
#86
Nov 21st, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Piss poor video from a flight simulator game.
Note that the 727 has NO PILOT and that the bus came from Spain.
What does that tell you about Spanish drivers ?
Please stop. I don't know how many more idiot Spanish posts I can handle.
Nov 21st, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blogs and now a SIMULATOR! A game!!!!'
Does Spain even have schools anymore?
@ 86 olisipo
Nov 21st, 2014 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lot of people on here responded to you with generosity even though it was obvious you would never agree or even understand the truth of the matter when it was spelt out to you.
Are you pleased about that?
If you are then you are nothing but one or more of the following:
1) A junior, still at school and you think it’s great to mislead people. You will find as you grow up (if you ever do) that it is only demeaning to you;
2) You are an adult of substandard intellect and most certainly “think” you are “winning” or getting the “best” of the Brits. I cannot castigate someone who has learning difficulties and would counsel you to take an intelligence test and have someone help you make a personal improvement programme aimed at increasing your knowledge before it’s too late;
3) A Spaniard or an argie, in which case you have my condolences for the bad life options you were given at the point of conception;
4) A foreigner, just out to wind everybody up. Your tag is recognised as Finnish.
Take your pick.
Read the 428 comments. 1) Many of them explain that most people ignore the fact that “a highway passes through a runway” and are horrified after knowing it. 2) A Gibraltarian writes: ”A few years ago this did happen in Gibraltar (..) a bus driver (...) drove across the runway narrowly missing a plane landing”.
Nov 21st, 2014 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regards.
99 olisipo
Nov 21st, 2014 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ someone said, a long time ago, something happened once...”
-that's a far cry from “... a highway of traffic running across an active runway ...”
In other words, what you said bears no resemblance to the reality.
FAIL TROLL
Don't tell that to me. Tell it to the many people who think that this situation is very dangerous. Of course, they are reasonable, not a club of jingoists.t
Nov 21st, 2014 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah Olisipo, still trying but still failing, got any more blogs you want us to read. Figured out the difference between worst and dangerous yet? All went very quiet your end, guess you accept you moved the goal posts eh.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain was once ruled by fascists.... does that mean it will happen again?
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0A train was bombed in Madrid... does that mean it has to happen again?
The airport exists and is used.
The runway exists and is used.
Flights exists and are used.
That's the reality. Fantasies about what might happen in the future are just that, fantasies.
recontra pelotudos
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0why the fuck you try to opine about something you dont understand?
that shite of corridor should be banned for commercial flights because:
it was designed for military aircrafts of...1945.
it is shorter than 2 km
it is crossed by strong winds during the whole fucking year.
it is crossed by a route full of traffic.
those cars and trucks are driven by ...llanitos.
and the imbecile who lowers the barrier is a...llanito.
and most important, because the International Civil Aviation Organization consider it has to be closed.
what else do you want to consider that shite of runway one of the worst in the world, you ignoramuses?
No banned.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Planes are still flying there.
Airport is still open.
What are you going to do about it?
96 Anglotino
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Planes still fly there, and will continue to fly there.
Pablo Prostituto is sooo resentful !
He hates it that Gibraltar has its own airport that can take jets.
Nothing he can do about it - ha ha ha ..
It makes him so angry !!
I wonder why??
Chucklety chuck chuck chuck... !!
:-D
BTW, Pablo
NOW, you say the runway is “less than 2 km long”!!
Are you afraid now to scream and stamp your feet and curse, and INSIST that the runway is “less than 1.5 long”??
I guess you realise that we were right, and YOU WERE WRONG!
LOL !!
tragaleche toy
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0i already explained you, 1.5 or 1.8 IS THE SAME, you twat.
it cannot be considered an international airport.
it is just a dangerous aerodrome.
even a rural aerodrome is better than that shower of shite.
at least they have bird control systems.
anyway, the last word in these issues is always the pilots association´s word.
in less than a pair of years the gate will be closed and the airport will be banned for commercial flights.
then, the monkeys will be even more isolated than the kelpers.
98 Pablo Prostituto
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“in less than a pair of years the gate will be closed and the airport will be banned for commercial flights.”
Got a link for that??
No? I thought not.
So now you are lying.
Why are you so jealous and angry Pablo ??
“!1.5 km and 1.8 km are the same...”
Ho ho, Pablo - they're not.
You exaggerated or lied ,“ the runway is less than 1.5 km long” in order to try to denigrate the airport as much as possible.
And YOU GOT CAUGHT !!
How embarrassing!
Prostituto,
if you have to lie to make an argument, your argument must be pure crap!!
Pure jealousy on your part Pablo !!
Laughing at you - is that why you are angry?
We were right - and YOU WERE WRONG!
On what planet is 1.5kms the same length as 1.8km.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0And now we have a prediction that Gibraltar airport will close and banned for commercial flights.
Closed by who? Banned by who?
I love these predictions pulled out of an arse. Mind you Troy, you should see Paul whining away to Think in Spanish on the Dock thread.
Anglotino,
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Closed by who? Banned by who?”
Yeah... and no links to back it up. :-D
Son of Think, do you think??
It was the Pope thread. But more like two old drunks that console each other with vacuous mutterings of love.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL, you've got that right.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0They don't really really believe it themselves, deep down
;-)
#98
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0“it cannot be considered an international airport.”
You seem to know better than the relevant authorities...a somewhat arrogant attitude is it not ?
QUOTE. Note the name of the airport.
Gibraltar International Airport or North Front Airport (IATA: GIB, ICAO: LXGB) is the civilian airport that serves the British overseas territory of Gibraltar. The runway is owned by the Ministry of Defence for use by the Royal Air Force as RAF Gibraltar. Civilian operators use the civilian-operated terminal. National Air Traffic Services hold the contract for provision of air navigation services at the airport.
As an ex Customs and Excise Officer I can tell you that Gibraltar is an International Airport as it has both Customs and Immigration Officers on duty. End of story.
“ because the International Civil Aviation Organization consider it has to be closed.”
Can you direct me to the OFFICIAL communique from where you have gleaned this information
anglotine
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“On what planet is 1.5kms the same length as 1.8km.”
i told ya several times, you seem to be a good chap, but your knowledge about aviation, architecture, urbanism, engineering, football, sports in general, history, geography, logic, etc etc etc is zero, cero, nada.
1.5 or 1.8 IS THE SAME = THE SHITTY AIRPORT CANNOT RECEIVE MEDIUM OR LONG RANGE PLANES, got it now?
and do yourself a favour: if you dont know a shite about the issue, just keep it shut.
@ 105 POLLY
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“THE SHITTY AIRPORT CANNOT RECEIVE MEDIUM OR LONG RANGE PLANES, got it now?”
Oh dear: WRONG AGAIN;
Boeing 737 series performance characteristics:
http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/startup/pdf/737ng_perf.pdf
With the exception of landing fully loaded (which applies to nearly ALL civilian aircraft trying to land immediately on takeoff) and the 737-700ER 6 aux tanks, 737-800 and 737-900ER takeoff fully loaded, the complete range of the 737 series can use the airfield subject to the Boeing limits (see link but read carefully).
Argentina have 36 ACTIVE 700/700NG of which only 14 are the 737-800 variety but all (except the smaller varieties which cannot do the range) the planes could use Gibraltar if they had the money to PAY for the fuel to get there AND WERE TAKING THE CHANCE ON THE VULTURES GRABBING THEM!
Why have AA got 78 STORED 737-200 /300 ? Time expired? Too short a range?
For the current operating 737’s did you know “On 205 airlines operating this type of aircraft Aerolineas Argentinas ranks 109”!!!!!!!!! [AIRFLEETS.NET]
YOU MUST BE SO PROUD!
Well paul as you seem to know shite about this runways then you really shouldn't be a hypocrite and you really do need to keep it shut.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But for all I don't know .... which is admittedly a great deal.... it is I that am gainfully employed, enjoying a free university education, not having my standard of living eroded by my government and can afford to go travelling for 3 months.
Seems I have not only the luxury to learn but the opportunity to use it. You, on the other hand, are trapped; with your daily reason to get out of bed being this 4th class news site.
christine
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how many times have i told you that this is not a competition, eh??
of course aerolineas argentinas is a shite, and the hijos de puta in charge (recalde, et al) should be in jail for their whole fucking life.
now, what has that got to do with the fact that the “airport” of gibraltar should be closed?
NOTHING
it is the most dangerous in the world, they dont even have bird control systems = it should be closed right now.
anglotine
lol.
you live in this 4th class site since ages, you “aussie” guy, you dont seem to be very busy.
guess the life in the islets must be very frustrating to you, no?
no proper education, no interesting jobs, surely you will end doing the only thing you know: sheep shearing.
@105
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pablo why to you keep making a fool of yourself with your lack of knowledge.
Gibraltar has no need for long hall flights.
Also I think you will find that the Airbus 320-222 can be condsidered a medium haul aircraft.
Interesting shots of aircraft movements at the airport.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mosh70/13228688334/in/pool-1924043@N20/
109 nabo
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that´s the only shite they can receive in that shitty airport,
military aircraft.
and of course gibraltar has no need for long flights,
who in his right mind would go to that cesspit infected with macacos ruled by a pig?
nobody.
as i wisely said before, that sitty runway should be closed for COMMERCIAL flights
#110
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is only your opinion, Please show me where ICAO says it will be closed to commercial flights.
@110
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But Pablo it was you who suggested yhey needed long haul flights.
“THE SHITTY AIRPORT CANNOT RECEIVE MEDIUM OR LONG RANGE PLANES”
It is diffucult to take your posts seriously when you write using such childish terms, like ones one would normally hear in a school playground, and keep trying to insult people with your stupid name calling.
@63 ChrisR
Chris the report that you linked to was in 2007 - GB Airways packed up in 2008
@ 112 Leiard
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that, I suspected as much.
I wonder how many of the frightened Spaniards have ever landed (or taken off) from Genoa in Italy. Really good experiece in a crosswind. :o)
Scary Airports is a better term to use.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Innsbruck, Austria can be quite scary on approach to landing, down the Inn valley and all those mountains.
At the end of the day scary does not equate to unsafe !!!!
...or officially unapproved.
Nov 22nd, 2014 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Banned, closed” - LOL !!!
-silly Prostituto Pablo
Well!! the airport is considered the third most dangerous in the world.........
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxhEFcaWnEg
The Gibraltar airport and its dangers in “The most extreme airports in the world” (“History Channel” since 33' to 40')
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.m.youtube.com/watch?v=0jjybY3k5oY
116 ASS from Spain
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well !!!
Look who shows up late as a limp reinforcement for Pablo Prostituto !!
You must be his trained donkey for the most entertaining part of the show!!
@ 116 spanisharseholee
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THIS is what you 'prove' your claim with:
“Retired Comedy Stage Hypnotist now just playing around with online stuff,Forex Dealing, Tropical Fish-keeping and part time Chauffeur work.”
That was the originator.
Did you watch the firm? Plenty of room but the twat (see above) didn't plan his camera position at all and lost at least a third of the airstrip.
What a complete spanish twat you are.
@ 117 olisipo
Given your tag you seem to be a Portuguese twat: try a link that works, or better still don't bother.
I had a look at the video and the aircraft had reached V1 just by the road. Looked like a text book lift off to me. Nothing dangerous about that.
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0History Channel discusses the dangers of the Gibraltar airport in “The most extreme airports in the world” Minute 33 to 40.
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://youtube.com/watch?v=T36xY3sQFEY
*118 /119 Looks like you two have had a few too many under the belly!! time to put the bottle down!!! LOL LOL
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@111
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Completely agree, what do Paul,Sipi, shinee et al know, they are only winding you all up. They really know fuck all, they just like seeing their tag on here.
Meanwhile S pain struggles on with 25% unemployment, corruption and trying to use Gibraltar as an excuse for all its ills. Chuckle chuckle...
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0122 ASS
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The airport operates with regular military and commercial jet flights.
Now, they will be providing regular service to Morocco and Bristol.
The runway will remain open- the Gibraltar airport meeting a demand for an alternative to Spanish airports.
Obviously, the demand is great enough that they feel the route is viable.
Too bad you jealous Trolls resent it so much. Ha ha!
All you can do is stamp your feet and criticise.
Nothing else you can do.
:-D
Gibraltar isn't Spanish which upsets Sunshine.
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar airport is open which upsets Paul.
Both facts upset olisipo.
Our work here is done! Suck it up boys.
If you want a scary landing try OVDA airfield in S.Israel. On approach we came in like a fighter with a series of what felt like 90°banks with spectacular views of the desert and wadis and no sign of the sky. We crabbed in at 45° to the runway and with a last kick of the rudder, hit the runway with a bang, slewed in the opposite direction on one wheel before straightening up and then a shuddering halt with reverse thrust and brakes. It appeared that we were the only Gentiles aboard as there was a spontaneous rendering of Hava Nagila,
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0from the rest of the passengers. The Lord looks after his own !
We found out later that the pilot normally flew F16's with the IAF and had been “moonlighting ”
Respect to Clyde
Nov 24th, 2014 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The European Parliament excludes the Gibraltar Airport from the new European airline legislation.
Nov 24th, 2014 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.gbc.gi/news/3371/eu-vote:-gib-excluded-from-european-airline-legislatiom
@ 127 Clyde15
Nov 24th, 2014 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds great as long as the tyres stand up!
A friend of mine here is a retired F16 Jock for the USA. Some of the things he got up to would make my hair stand up, if I had any!
#129
Nov 24th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0QUOTE:-
Today MEPs in the European Parliament in Strasbourg voted by less than 100 votes to kick Gibraltar out of the Single European Sky legislation which coordinates air traffic control across Europe.
The amendments to the Single European Sky passed by 355 votes in favour to 260 against.
This is despite MEPs having voted to support Gibraltar in air passenger rights legislation by 332 votes to 293 just last month.
Gibraltar is currently part of the Single European Sky system, thanks to the 2006 Cordoba agreement.
However unfortunately the Spanish centre-right Partido Popular MEPs succeeded in getting amendments through the transport committee and plenary which exclude Gibraltar from the reformed system.
“The problem is the Spanish Partido Popular now dominate the EPP Group – the biggest in the European Parliament – on the Gibraltar issue since Cameron pulled the Tories out in 2009. No one is defending Gibraltar's interests in the EPP, and with over 270 votes, they can easily get their way.”
“However this is not the end of the story – negotiations will now start between MEPs and national governments, and the UK Government will have to fight hard to reverse the decision. It helps enormously that the European Commission is on Gibraltar's side on this issue.”
Bullying and coercion against small peoples, an obvious Hispanic trait.
@119 ChrisR..
Nov 24th, 2014 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0No Olisipio must be Brazilian, wouldn't expect a Portuguese to side with the Spanish, they let Gibraltar play in the Estadio Algarve for their home matches. Spanish tend to look down on the Portuguese as their poor little neighbours.
So what!
Nov 24th, 2014 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar is excluded. It just means that it still manages its own airspace instead of the EU. It isn't precluded from operating an airport or having flights.
Spain keeps thinking it is having victories but all it does is drive Gibraltar further from it. Gibraltar will have to coordinate its airspace with the EU is all this means
Olisipo if you think that Gibraltar is disadvantaged by any of the actions of Spain then you are a product of the brainwashing and diversion that Spain's incompetent government banks on. These actions are aimed at the uneducated masses to distract them from the real problems.
Enjoy your Spanish distractions. Gibraltar will enjoy not being Spanish.
@ 131 “Bullying and coertion against small people”.
Nov 24th, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The usual propaganda trick. Gibraltar is an air and naval base, where nuclear submarines berth very often.
@ 133 “These actions are aimed at the uneducated people to distract them from the real problems”
An advice: don't judge other people following your own poor mental abilities and don't repeat that other old, very old trick. We Spaniards, like most people in the world (I'm not se about Brits), are able to think in several things at the same time.
Regards.
Well as I'm not British the comparison fell a little flat. Madrid will never regain Gibraltar.... ever.... so these actions can be nothing more than diversion from the economic incompetency and corruption that pervades Spain.
Nov 24th, 2014 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corruption and incompetency that Gibraltar wants no part of.
Honestly if you are so smart, then what has a Madrid gained regarding Gibraltar in the last year, decade, century?
Bread and circuses and you fall for it everytime.
@ 135 Corruption like this one?
Nov 24th, 2014 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.davidcameron.com/p/corruption.html
Btw, never say never.
@ 136
Nov 24th, 2014 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/03/spain-global-corruption-index-political-royal-scandal Or this, 'Scandals Force Spain Down the Global Corruption Index'
#134
Nov 24th, 2014 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What else do you call it the way the Spanish are taking action against Gibraltar ?
A Spanish cabal in the EU is purposely trying to get Gibraltar excluded from every EU activity.
As to military bases, you do know that Spain is a member of NATO and it can be construed that any military activity or base is for the joint defence of member states.
Are you confusing nuclear powered SUBMARINES with submarines carrying nuclear missiles ?
As to the joke of a web site don't you know that in the UK the Prime Minister does not decide who will be prosecuted and/or jailed. That is the job of the judiciary
This is probably different to the practice of the country from which you hail.
@ 135 Incompetence like this?
Nov 24th, 2014 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4127833.ece
@ 138 Are you seriously suggesting that Spain should consider Gibraltar like a friendly military occupation? Quoting Arnold Toynbee (I expect that you know his world famous works), “Would Britain like a Russian or Chinese fortress in Land's End or in the Channel islands?”
@139
Nov 24th, 2014 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More Spanish Corruptionhttp://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-11-05/spain-s-corruption-may-set-catalonia-free
This same Toynbee
Nov 24th, 2014 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meeting with Adolf Hitler 1936
While on a visit in Berlin in 1936 to address the Nazi Law Society, Toynbee was invited to have a private interview with Adolf Hitler, at Hitler's request. Hitler emphasized his limited expansionist aim of building a greater German nation, and his desire for British understanding and cooperation.
Toynbee believed that Hitler was sincere here and endorsed Hitler's message in a confidential memorandum for the British prime minister and foreign secretary.
Oooh corruption and incompetence happen in Britain too.
Nov 24th, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooooh whatever shall we do? Deflect? Whataboutery? Nah that is what Olisipo has learnt to do so well.
The UK economy is doing much better than Spain's. Unemployment and poverty are nowhere near as high.
Olisipo all you did was prove my point. Spaniards are incapable of facing their problems without attempting to deflect.
Gibraltar is a constant attempt at deflection. And that is all. Because no Spanish actions have nudged Gibraltar any closer to being part of Spain.
None.
Not an inch.
So fall for the bread and circuses because that is all Gibraltar will ever be.
It definitely won't be Spanish.
Olisipo
Nov 24th, 2014 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can forget the corrupt UN C24 and territorial integrity hogwash, this is the official position from the man in charge:
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=34740#.VHOQUY02aUk
@141 Are you saying than Britain would welcome a Spanish military occupation of Land's End or the Channel islands? Well, that 's a new one for me.
Nov 24th, 2014 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@144 Did a defeated Britain surrender Lands End to the Spanish in the 1700's as a way to sue for peace?
Nov 24th, 2014 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's news to me !
@144 Hey baby, we're all in the EU.
Nov 24th, 2014 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But some countries put money into the kitty while others...
@ 145 Sorry, but you have not answered my question.
Nov 24th, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@147
Nov 24th, 2014 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are missing the point. The victors of wars get to write the treaties, and the history.
Spain lost.
@ 148 Oh, I see. This is not a matter of fairness, but one of military power. I wonder what happened when Maggie gave back to China Hong Kong, Kowloon, etc, which Britain had “in perpetuity”. China lost the nefarious opium wars, but Britain considered more convenient to forget “the history”, “the treaties” and all that. And please, spare me the lies about the lease, which did not affect Hong Kong itself, whose inhabitants were not consulted.
Nov 24th, 2014 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 149 olisipo
Nov 24th, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hong Kong was never Britain's in perpetuity: it was leased and the lease time-expired.
Being good people instead of Spanish or argies, Britain gave back what was no longer theirs.
Gibraltar is ceded to Britain in perpetuity which means “forever”. NO handing it back to the wastrels of Europe who gang together to attempt to punish Gibraltar over the air security legislation.
So get used to it, you are no better than Rajoy and his crooks: a mendacious liar, incapable of telling the truth: other words a true Latino.
Your mother must be so proud. What a pity you do not know who your father was.
@ 150
Nov 24th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Article III of the Treatty of Nanking, 1842: “The Emperor of China cedes to Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain, etc, the Island of Hongkong, to be possessed IN PERPETUITY by Her Britannic Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors”.
Next time, instead of profanities, a little basic culture, please.
@151
Nov 24th, 2014 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh dear, you don't know your British/Chinese history very well, do you?
@149 “spare me the lies about the lease”
I have no reason to lie. Here are the facts:
The Convention between the United Kingdom and China, Respecting an Extension of Hong Kong Territory, commonly known as the Convention for the Extension of Hong Kong Territory or the Second Convention of Peking, was a lease signed between Qing China and the United Kingdom in 1898.
Under the convention the territories north of what is now Boundary Street and south of the Sham Chun River, and the surrounding islands, later known as the “New Territories” were leased to the United Kingdom for 99 years rent-free, expiring on 30 June 1997, and became part of the crown colony of Hong Kong.
So, putting profanities aside, ChrisR is correct.
returning to your misguided post @149
You start squealing about fairness. Was it fair to rape, pillage and loot Latin America? Or was that just about 'military power'? You can't argue it both ways.
The rest of your post has also been proved wrong and doesn't need a reply. Stop distracting from the topic, which is all about the continued success of Gibraltar and nothing more.
How's that feel?
@151
Nov 24th, 2014 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the 42 treaty only referred to the island, in 1860 the Kowloon peninsula was added, in 1898 the New Territories were leased for 99 years. It was impracticable to separate the three territories and only return the New Territories. In addition, with the scarcity of land and natural resources in Hong Kong Island and Kowloon, the New Territories were being developed with large-scale infrastructures and other developments, with the break-even day lying well past 30 June 1997. Thus, the status of the New Territories after the expiry of the 99-year lease became important for Hong Kong's economic development.
@ 151
Nov 24th, 2014 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In other words, it was a matter of convenience. Perhaps of fear to the Chinese nuclear power, also. In this case “treaties”, “history” and all that jazz were forgotten. It seems that in this issue of the last pieces of its lost empire, the UK has a very flexible attitude. A policy which depends not on principles, but on the military muscle of the contender.
@154
Nov 24th, 2014 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was it not always so?
You appear a little niave in the ways of the world.
Or am I being 'unfair'?
Perhaps you should have a chat with Morocco. I think they feel the same way about your colonies there.
@ 154
Nov 24th, 2014 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least someone who admits the truth. Britain, in Gibraltar, says that it defends the rights of the inhabitants, but in Hongkong does the contrary, because, in face of an economic and military supepower, it is “naive” to use the same reasoning. Well for you. And now, here in Spain is a little late. Bye.
#153
Nov 24th, 2014 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was about to post the same.
@147 Olisipo
Nov 25th, 2014 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ Sorry, but you have not answered my question”
Well, sorry, but your question was only hypothetical and quite fanciful.
@144
“ Are you saying than Britain would welcome a Spanish military occupation of Land's End or the Channel islands? Well, that 's a new one for me.”
And “sorry”, but I did answer your question - I suppose sarcasm goes right over your head when someone else uses it in response to your own?
The two situations are quite different.
- for a start, there is no “military occupation” in Gibraltar - it is civilian self-governed. However, there is a military presence on the peninsula.
-the UK did NOT lose a war with Spain where they 'ceded lands in perpetuity, to end a conflict.
- The Kingdom of Castille sued for peace and surrendered their territory (not Spain's) of Gibraltar to Britain, in the 1700's.
Lets use a much closer analogy:
“Are you saying then, Morocco would welcome a Spanish military occupation of Ceuta or Mellila?”
@156
“... Britain, in Gibraltar, says that it defends the rights of the inhabitants, but in Hongkong does the contrary...”
Are you saying that because Britain was “not powerful enough” to hold the Hong Kong they rightfully owned, they are 'obligated' to abandon the people and territory of Gibraltar to Spain ? ??
Let me put it this way
- if it is “WRONG” to surrender the rights of the inhabitants of Hong Kong, how is it “RIGHT” not to defend the rights of the citizens of Gibraltar ???
Does your proposal make any sense at all?
No - obviously not!
I'd ask you to bring up the Chagos Islanders, but its a further waste of our time, and the British are still not going to give Gibraltar or the Falklands away, against the wishes of their citizens.
What a chump you are.
BTW, the Trolls and their “socks” have tried these arguments before, and ended up looking like jealous fools.
I would like to also point out that the population of Hong Kong would desperately love to see the return of the UK.
Nov 25th, 2014 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have been demonstrating on the streets about their loss of democratic freedoms that they enjoyed previously.
Do not mock the UK, it has been a force for good in many places. That is why India is the largest democracy in the world, British Heritage.
Argentina should learn from this. I heard that Argentina once applied to join the British Commonwealth. Is this true?
159 ilsen
Nov 25th, 2014 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ I heard that Argentina once applied to join the British Commonwealth. Is this true?”
Ilsen, that's not a fair question to ask of Sallus.
If he dared speak the truth, he would be “committing Treason” according to Argentina's government.
156. Olisipo The right to self-determination was only made erga omnes in 1995 following the East Timor judgment. That means that there is an obligation placed on all countries to respect the principle. If Hong Kong hadn't been removed from the list of NSGTs then this would have placed an obligation on both the UK and China to respect it.
Nov 25th, 2014 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree. Many Hong Kongers would much prefer to be part of the UK again.
Nov 25th, 2014 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also China forbade Hong Kong being out on the UN decolonisation list. Whereas Spain and Argentina won't let the nations they claim get off the list. China played the long game and came out well.
Spain and Argentina are so pathetic that they have no hope.
@ 158 Troy Tempest
Nov 25th, 2014 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Gibraltar is civilian self-governed”.
According to the Gibraltar Constitution Order 2007, the governor (a military under the joint orders of the MoD and the FCO) has “exclusive powers” in many fields, like (a) foreign affairs; (b) defence; (c) internal security; (d) nomination of the Police Chief, judges, etc; or (e) the power to revoke laws passed by the local parliament.
@ 159 Ilsen
“Do not mock the UK, it has been a force for good in many places. That is why India is the largest democracy in the world. British Heritage”.
Tell that to the million Indians killed when Mountbatten fled in 1947. Or to the inhabitants of former UK colonies where the same happens even today, like Nigeria, Uganda, Sudan, Pakistan, etc. What a heritage.
@163 Olisipo
Nov 25th, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, you did not answer my questions @158
“Are you saying that because Britain was “not powerful enough” to hold the Hong Kong they rightfully owned, they are 'obligated' to abandon the people and territory of Gibraltar to Spain ? ??”
or
““Are you saying then, Morocco would welcome a Spanish military occupation of Ceuta or Mellila?”
Sorry, Gibraltar is a BOT with a civilian, elected Government that handles everything, but Defense and Foreign Affairs.
It is not run by the military, as much as you would like to characterise it as an ”occupation”.
As to brutal African dictators, and Partitioning of India, etc.... pure DISTRACTION on your part, and hardly relevant to discussions of Gibraltar.
However, the citizens of Gibraltar seem to like being a BOT rather than a part of Spain.
Too bad for you, that you don't like it !!
Gibraltar Airport is still open.
Nov 25th, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tangier Starts 29 March 2015
Bristol Starts 19 April 2015
@163 Olisipo. You seem to forget that Franco did a pretty good job of killing Spaniards.
Nov 25th, 2014 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain didn't have the resources to cope with the religious bigotry that occurred with the partition of India.
The Indians wanted self determination. They also wanted separate countries for Hindus and Muslims. They got it. They were left with a functioning system of government, an independent judiciary, an educated middle class a railway system, ports and a discipline armed forces.
Nov 25th, 2014 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So by your twisted logic, we should have kept the RAJ with cries of occupying colonialists from you or as you so stupidly put it, ran away from our responsibilities. Which is it ?. You did notice that Hispanic Portugal hung on to GOA until 1961 when they were kicked out.
Nigeria is the emerging power house of Africa. It's problems are caused by Muslim extremists coming in from the N.
What you seem to be inferring is that these countries were better off when under British rule. Thank you for that unexpected accolade.
167 Clyde
Nov 25th, 2014 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“hat you seem to be inferring is that these countries were better off when under British rule. Thank you for that unexpected accolade.”
Just as Gibraltar is better off with the Brits - and they know it!
Obsolito is jealous and very resentful that the airport is an important element of the economy and autonomy of Gibraltar.
Spain is part of the EU, our trade partners, benefits financially directly and indirectly from UK and UK tourists.
They are also our NATO “allies”.
However, Obsolito would characterise them as a “hostile military force occupying part of Spain”.
Funny that Gibraltar's Andalusian neighbours don't seem to feel that way.
I wonder how Obsolito feels about Portugal ?
Or is he just a racist and Anglo-hater??
@ 151 olisipo
Nov 25th, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Next time, instead of profanities, a little basic culture, please.”
I DEFY you to point out where the so called “profanities” are in my post.
@ ilsen 152
“So, putting profanities aside, ChrisR is correct.”
Please explain to me what you consider to be a profanity in my post.
@169 ChrisR
Nov 25th, 2014 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have gone back and checked your post. Obviously I was a little hasty in my response to Oily.
There are no profanities in said post.
I stand corrected.
Please accept my apology.
@ 170 ilsen
Nov 25th, 2014 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you. :o)
Now we shall see whether the oli character understands what profanities really are.
@ 164 Troy Tempest
Nov 25th, 2014 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have a very peculiar notion of the meaning of “a civilian Government which handles EVERYTHING”, with a military governor with exclusive powers in foreign affairs, defence, internal security, appointment of Police Chief, judges, and a reserve power to veto the laws which he doesn't like presented by that Government andpassed by the local Parliament.
@169 ChristR
I wont debase myself copying what you wrote about my parents.
172 OLISIPO
Nov 26th, 2014 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dont know why you call the Governor, the Queen's Representative, a “Military” Governor?
But thanks for acknowledging there is a popular civilian Gibraltar Parliament (you know what that is, right?) and that they pass laws, governing the Peninsula !
The Falklands have a Governor also. Some, if not all, respected and even loved, by the people.
Case in point, Rex Hunt. Not a military leader, but renowned for standing by the INTERESTS of the Falklanders.
Gibraltar's Governor is doing very much the same thing.
BTW, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, also have Governors, or more properly, Governor Generals.
I know that sounds “military”, but they are civilians, Representing the Crown.
The Queen is not the Commander of the Armed Forces either.
Michaelle Jean, GG of Canada DID actually Prorogue Parliament only a few years ago, to prevent domination of Parliament by a coalition of Opposition Parties - protecting the rights of the citizens.
I dont think any of those Commonwealth countries and BOTs consider themselves under military rule.
Both the Falklands and Gibraltar are quite vocal that they like the current arrangement.
Hmmm, a Governor who protects the interests and rights of the people - hard concept for you, I imagine.
The people of Gibraltar do not want to be Spanish - and they DO want to keep their airport.
Too bad for you, trying to malign them and their government, and take their freedom, for your own selfish and unsavoury motives.
Re. ChrisR
dont be upset, he was referring to you, not your parents.
Canada and Australia
@ 173
Nov 26th, 2014 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I know that sounds military, but they are civilians”.
Governor of Gibraltar: Sir James Dutton, Lieutenant-General Royal Marines.
A civilian, really? He is under the Joint orders of the MoD and the FCO. Trying to compare this post with the governors general of Canada, Australia, etc. is plainly absurd. They don't have at all his powers.
@ 172 olisipo
Nov 26th, 2014 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I wont (SIC) debase myself copying what you wrote about my parents.”
I had no idea that your parents were god like and sat in heaven with GOD?
Look up the definition of “profanity” before you start with the accusations.
Zero out of ten, must try MUCH harder.
174 olisipo
Nov 26th, 2014 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A civilian, really? He is under the Joint orders of the MoD and the FCO. Trying to compare this post with the governors general of Canada, Australia, etc. is plainly absurd. They don't have at all his powers.”
Please re-read my post.
Did I actually say, Dutton was not a military man?
You are trying to find exception to what I say, while trying to characterise Gibralter as a “military occupation”, similar to a non-democratic “military Dictatorship”.
Dutton controls Defence and Security, two things the inhabitants do not have the resources to do themselves.
As Governor, Dutton represents Her Majesty as Head of State.
Once again, Gibraltar has a democratic Parliament - you said it, yourself.
Picardo is the elected representative of the people.
Even though you criticise because the Governor can suspend Parliament, just as in Canada, and “Down Under”,
the people of Gibrsltar seem to like that arrangement.
As I stated before, though you choose to disregard it, the Governor is also charged with looking out for the interests of the inhabitants.
Finally, just like everywhere else, according to the UN, the UK and the Governor must respect the Self-determination of the civilian inhabitants, many of whose ancestors have lived there for multiple generations.
I fail to see what your point is.
Please explain, clearly.
The inhabitants are happy with the present arrangement, and they have the power to change it as they feel fit, just like the Fslklanders and the Scots.
Or do you feel they should be subjugated against their will, by Spain, like the Catalonians?
@174
Nov 26th, 2014 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just for you,
'Failure of a State to assert its right when that right is openly challenged by another State can only mean abandonment of that right,' Judge Alfaro Temple of Vihear case, 15 June 1962.
So sad that Spain turned down the UK's offer to go to ICJ arbitration in the 1960s over the status of the Rock, Isthmus, airspace and territorial waters...
And some people still believe Spanish propaganda...
@176 Troy Tempest
Nov 26th, 2014 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First you write that Gibraltar has a “civilian Government which handles EVERYTHING”, I show you that it is untrue, that the governor, a military, has exclusive powers in many areas and you answer that the people there “are happy” with that situation. Well, your first sentence is wrong, and the second a “non sequitur”.
Please tell that person who likes to insult the parents of other bloggers that he should consult the OED, where he will see that his kind of language, vulgar and even obscene, fits into the second acception of “profanity”.
@ 178 Oily
Nov 26th, 2014 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2lHwkWMXaxwC&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=OED+profanity&source=bl&ots=zfYxryaTsB&sig=LRBr7Xx0kvYguKBS4MFbDBLdb_I&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Kxt2VPLMIcOUNtK3gNAO&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=OED%20profanity&f=false
Try again and read it as it is intended to be read, not as an illiterate Spaniard, only used to gibber-jabber which is completely devoid of accurate meaning.
Spanish / Espanol: why use eight English words to describe an idea perfectly when 50 Espanol ones won't! © ChrisR 2014.
You don’t understand WHO I ‘insulted’ do you?
@178 opsilito
Nov 27th, 2014 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“First you write that Gibraltar has a “civilian Government which handles EVERYTHING”, I show you that it is untrue, that the governor, a military, has exclusive powers in many areas and you answer that the people there “are happy” with that situation. Well, your first sentence is wrong, and the second a “non sequitur” ”
Not true, Olisipo.
Here's what I actually said @164,
“Sorry, Gibraltar is a BOT with a civilian, elected Government that handles everything, but Defense and Foreign Affairs.
It is not run by the military, as much as you would like to characterise it as an ”occupation”.”
You deliberately misquoted me, drastically changing the meaning of my post.
Just as you erroneously accused me of saying Dutyon was not a military man.
Your whole post therefore, is a “non sequitur”.
If you have to misquote me and lie about what I say, to try to make your point, it shows your argument has no validity and exposes you as intellectually dishonest, just as you are dishonest as a person.
We've been all over this point now, and you lost.
As to your laughable “righteous indignation” about ChrisR's comment,
if you feel you are incapable of having him explain it to your satisfaction, I will accept your request for help.
Whether your mother was Madonna or Whore,
I really don't think he was making any judgement of your parents behaviour.
He simply said they were not married.
However, you he called a Bastard.
Hi olisipo
Nov 27th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar airport is still open for business as usual.
@180 Troy Tempest
Nov 27th, 2014 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really need to be told twice about one of your mistakes?
In post #163, addressed to you, I wrote: ”the governor (...) has 'exclusive powers' in many fields, like (a) foreign affairs; (b) defence; (c) internal security; (d) nomination of the Police Chief, judges, etc; or the power to revoke laws passed by the local parliament”.
As for your attempt of defending that person who likes to insult the parents of other bloggers, you have failed. He didn't wrote that my parents were not married, but something much more offensive, that I refuse to quote.
182 olisipo
Nov 27th, 2014 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Grow up and stop moaning about these so called insults.
It is good news that Gibraltar will have all these extra flights next year despite all your misconceived comments.
182 olisipo
Nov 27th, 2014 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forget it. You also attempted to characterise Gibraltar as a military occupation. You neglected to explain the role of the elected Parliament and the representation of the civilian community.
We went all through that.
I'll repeat,
The civilian inhabitants have made it quite clear that they prefer the present arrangement of having the British military there, rather than be ruled by Spain.
They also want the airport.
Case closed. As an outsider, it's not your business and there is nothing you can do about that, no matter how much you resent it.
You asked me to explain the comment ChrisR made and how it was profane, because you are incapable of conveying the nature of the offence to him. I don't know that I was defending ChrisR, only clarifying what he said for you.
If you can't articulate it because you can't define it, you really must be determined to be offended, to take exception to what he said.
For you, and for those reading this, I'll repeat it Chris@150
“Your mother must be so proud. What a pity you do not know who your father was.”
Clearly, he was saying you are a “Bastard”.
You might look that word up, with all its connotations and usages, to ensure he has offended you properly.
What that implies about your mother's character is best known to you. You know her better than we do.
Lol!
Nov 27th, 2014 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too bad oily-boy. Time to go and get offended elsewhere. Here is some advice. If you are going to climb up on your moral high horse, it's a good idea to put some pants on first.
@ 182 olisipo
Nov 27th, 2014 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will let you off the hook; you clearly do not understand the subtleties of the English language.
You are so easily ‘offended’ without understanding the nature of the offense that you are clearly either a juvenile or a poorly educated adult. Take your pick.
Anyway the hook is back in the fishing basket. You MUST know about fishing given that the Spanish fishing fleet steals fish from everybody and is truly hated for it.
@ 185 ilsen
Love it!
What a club of incompetent jingoists. Instead of reasons... well what you use to write.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You tried, without success, to guarantee thatt what happened in Honkong, where you fled, won't happen again. Keep on dreaming.
BTW, someone here cannot read. I never asked anybody to explain me anything about foul language. It was very clear what that unpleasant person wrote.
Meanwhile, the Gibraltar airport remains excluded of the European Open Skies agreement.
@ 187 Oily
Nov 27th, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“BTW, someone here cannot read. I never asked anybody to explain me anything about foul language. It was very clear what that unpleasant person wrote.”
If that is so, why did you post this?
“Please tell that person who likes to insult the parents of other bloggers that he should consult the OED, where he will see that his kind of language, vulgar and even obscene, fits into the second acception (SIC) of “profanity”.
AND, you still haven’t read:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2lHwkWMXaxwC&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=OED+profanity&source=bl&ots=zfYxryaTsB&sig=LRBr7Xx0kvYguKBS4MFbDBLdb_I&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Kxt2VPLMIcOUNtK3gNAO&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=OED%20profanity&f=false
otherwise you would know you are wrong.
So which was it “foul language” or “profanity”? You don’t KNOW, do you?
The truth is, IT is NEITHER! Still confused I bet and ready top come back with some more gibber-jabber are we?
I gave you the chance to get off the hook and you spurned it, so now live with it.
Looks like Oily didn't take my advice.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah well, you can't fix stoopid.
187 Oily
Nov 27th, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really suck at arguing.
You really want to “prove” that I made a “mistake”, as if that will stop you from looking like an indoctrinated dupe.
You tried to characterise Gib. as a “military occupation”, because they have a Governor.
I countered, and reviewed those powers, how they were used, including prerogueing the elected Parliament, used as an example, to protect the interests of the people people.
I reminded you of the role of Parliament and the representation of the civilian community.
You would not acknowledge it, nor could you refute it.
Instead, you misquoted me, to drastically change the meaning of what I said, and previously you lied by attributing things to me, I never said - all to childishly attempt to score some cheap points when you lost face.
Think about it, if you need to LIE, you misrnt have a build argument.
As to ChrisR:
Here again, is what he said @150
““Your mother must be so proud. What a pity you do not know who your father was.”
Here is your reply @178, where you clearly ask me to speak to Chris because you are incapable,
”Please tell that person who likes to insult the parents of other bloggers that he should consult the OED, where he will see that his kind of language, vulgar and even obscene, fits into the second acception of “profanity”
I don't know what words you would find in the OED, Oxford English Dictionary, that were “profane” or “vulgar”, in his original statement.
Perhaps you meant to say something else?
You don't seem to be able to articulate your thoughts at all !
I'm just trying to help you out, as requested, by suggesting that what he actually meant was that you are “bastard”.
Obviously, you should be taking this up with ChrisR directly, as you don't like my thoughts on it.
BTW, the Gibs. Will continue to enjoy their airport, and continue to remain British, because that's what they choose to do.
Have a nice day, son.
#187
Nov 27th, 2014 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile, the Gibraltar airport remains excluded of the European Open Skies agreement.
Does that mean they will have to stop all flights and close...I don't think so.
Clyde and ilsen
Nov 27th, 2014 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Oily” has f'cked off, tail between his legs like a whipped cur.
FAIL TROLL !!!
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