The Malvinas and South Atlantic Islands fallen next of kin commission, in a public statement said that exhuming and identifying remains of Argentine soldiers buried in the Falkland Islands Darwin cemetery is a most personal issue for each family, strictly humanitarian, not decided and thus rejects any political intentionality in recent statements on the matter. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSounds fairly political me!
Nov 27th, 2014 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where are the islanders in this statement?
German relatives of their WW2 fallen came to terms long ago with the notion that their boys fought and died bravely for the fatherland but that the world is a better place for their defeat. The same is true for the Argentine casualties of 82.
It looks to me that señor Delmira H. de Cao and his committee are worried they'll be out of a job if the bodies are returned to Argentina!!
Nov 27th, 2014 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile, nobody has asked the Falklands for permission, or made any formal application even to discuss possible procedures, let alone exhuming bodies.
In Argentina the government propaganda tactics arm, and the self-serving cemetery committee use the veterans and the families like pawns, as they squabble.
It's an unpopular and emotionally charged issue.
One might think The government would be wise to discard this plan - people are pissed off with them enough.
What exactly is this Commission and how is it constituted? It's quite obviously pushing an overtly political agenda while claiming not to.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the one hand the Commission rejects that the issue be debased with political internationalities in what should remain in the strictly humanitarian field and on the other it insists in warning that the process which opens with the forensic studies could lead to the crystallization of the British objective of transferring the remains of the Argentine soldiers from Malvinas to the continent, which would erase all traces of the Argentine determination of recovering the Islands and would make their sacrifice in vain.
Not to mention their first point, which is the usual attempt to dictate whether British local government is entitled to participate in consideration of a British local issue.
Would anyone like to bet that the much-vaunted consultation process with families providing them with all the necessary information in the event of a forensic task, so that they can adopt a conscious and thoughtful decision, balancing pros and cons in the event of such actions in actual fact involves persuading the families to leave the bodies in situ?
Pass the sick bag, Alice.
Was this pile of contradictory crap written by an idiot?
Nov 27th, 2014 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0”1) Sides involved in the decision in the event of forensic studies are: the Republic of Argentina; the UK of Great Britain and North Ireland and the relatives of the Argentine soldiers buried in the Darwin Cemetery.”
Nope, and that statement is itself political trying to erase FIG (and by extension the islanders). While it is true the UK holds sovereignty over the islands the argument that FIG should not be involved is ridiculous. I imagine in this case responsibility has very clearly been transferred to FIG and has nothing to do HMG.
... which would erase all traces of the Argentine determination of recovering the Islands and would make their sacrifice in vain.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's not really an argument *against* the exhumations.
As said before, there's no honest way for Argentina to recover the Falklands, as they've never legitimately held sovereignty.
Their illegal invasion and occupation of the Falklands in 1982, as well as their unreasonable treatments of the legitimate inhabitants, has pretty much made the British position of allowing the Islanders to decide set in stone, as well as the Islanders determination to avoid Argentina having any control over their freedoms.
I'm sorry to say this, but the sacrifice of these men was in vain before it even happened.
This political wrestling with the dead- who have no say for themselves, is abhorrent.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The responsibility for those fallen is with relatives concerned; and with the Islanders on whose land the graves are situated.
Some truth in what he wrote - also some of the usual 100& Argentine mythical fantasy verbage tripe.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Nothing will ever happen either way until the Arg Organisations decide to directly approach the Falkland Islands Govt. Simple fact - as they have been told many times by London.
2. No Arg bodies were misidentified when moved from temporary battlefield graves to Darwin. Plenty were already unmarked and unnamed and others after the battles had their identity deliberately withheld by Arg officers after battle when they were asked by the British soldiers who was this and that dead person as they were cleared and removed from the battlefield for initial temporary burial.
These lads have lain in peace for 32 years - let them lie. Their God knows who they are.
No one will likely have any problem with Argentina attempting to identity those unknown graves. However, they will need permission/permits from FIG, that's only right and proper. I can well foresee though a whole bunch of people turning up with spades and a film crew, only to then cry to domestic and world media when denied entry or access.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure FIG and the FO are savvy enough to know this; but the more Argentina are made to go through FIG the better.
@5
Nov 27th, 2014 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0These men didn't die in vain. It's worse than that. They died for a lie, in a shameful act of aggression perpetrated by sick old men desperate to maintain their position.
This shouldnt be a political football its rather reppellant that the commission is behaving like it does.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its too the islanders credit that the cemetaey still exsists if certain argentines are intent on using it for politcal aims. but then they are civillised people not related to savages who disappeared their oppenents and left them with no known grave by dumping them in the south atlantic.
These Argies sure know how to make life difficult for themselves.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0They say:
Nov 27th, 2014 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0strictly humanitarian, not decided and thus rejects any political intentionality in recent statements on the matter.
'rejects any political intentionalty' BUT they then go on to declare:
”1) Sides involved in the decision in the event of forensic studies are: the Republic of Argentina; the UK of Great Britain and North Ireland and the relatives of the Argentine soldiers buried in the Darwin Cemetery”
They have ignored the most important skakeholder involved in this issue, the FIG, yet claim the whole exercise is not political!
The arrogance of this commision and the Argentine governemnt is breathtaking, who do these morons think they are?
There seems to be some confusion with this apolitical commission.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the past, after liberating a country from an invader, a nice gesture by the liberated nation is to cede the site of their war graves to their liberators (the obvious example of this it Tyne Cot, near Passendale, Belgium - the final resting place for nearly 12,000 soldiers) - it costs little and it's not as if a liberating nation is likely to claim that because of the bodies they now own the country that they liberated.
It is not customary to cede anything at all to an invading nation after liberation, partly because they might try and expand from the graveyard of the war dead, and partly because people who invade other countries aren't generally well liked by the people they invade. The Argentine Military Cemetery is not Argentine soil, or under Argentine jurisdiction. It's not under British jurisdiction either, they can't help but know this, having been told enough times to register with even the thickest of malvinitus sufferers, and yet they still can't quite manage to actually ask the right people.
Of the many things that the Argentine government do to feed their cult....this is one of the very lowest. Appaling really.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 011) We insist in warning that the process which opens with the forensic studies could lead to the crystallization of the British objective of transferring the remains of the Argentine soldiers from Malvinas to the continent
Nov 27th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[[, which would erase all traces of the Argentine determination of recovering the Islands]]
[[And would make their sacrifice in vain.
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We demand from both governments the necessary guarantees to avoid such sacrilege.
1, moving from the Falklands to the continent==seem ok it is ends all the political jargon
To use the dead for political gains..
2, erase all traces of argentine determination of recovering the islands==sound an even more reason to send the dead back, and end this argentine claim once and for all…
3, we demand both government,==I know,, stop insulting the islanders, and ask them, after all its their islands not Argentina’s….
4, make their sacrifice in vain.
And what abt the brave innocent British and island casualties,
They died because an aggressive dictatorship illegally and violently invaded tiny islands 300 miles from Argentina to cover up the mess and corruption by the argentine government,
-the sacrifices of our brave men/women would be in vain if we just handed them back to another dictatorship, again covering up the corruption in destroying what was once a great country, and now no better than a banana republic of the lowest order..
Just a thought.
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you lost all rights to these men when you put them in harms way for a lie,let them rest in peace and Argentina must live with its guilt and shame....
Nov 27th, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What this committee has written is a load of balderdash.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see even the Trolls are too embarrassed to comment on this.
There are, for instance, German War Graves in the UK and vice versa.
The location of these graves has no relevance to sovereignty whatsoever.
On numerous occasions Argentina mentions only the UK and fails to give any democratic voice to the people of the Falklands.
It is about time the UK remove all the BoT''s from the C24 decolonization list. If Argentina (or Spain) have a problem with that they should go to the ICJ.
@ 5 and @ 9
Nov 27th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I sadly agree with you.
This is very sad indeed, all those brave guys gave their lives for a lie, as sad as that sounds. They should not have being asked for that sacrifice, period.
Best way to honor them is NOT to continue to push this senseless agenda.
Let them rest in peace where they are, if the families do not request them to be buried in Argentina.
Frankly, I bet they will receive better care there than in Argentina ...
This is only going to end one way. Eventually the Argentines will get all their ducks in a row and will then accuse the British of refusing to allow them to identify their dead.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Troy Tempest
Nov 27th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems to me that Delmira H. de Cao is not a señor but a señora.
And she and her organisation are clearly sponsored by la Kretina's evil influence.
Of course this is just petty politics, now what I dont understand in the end who really owns the cemetery in Darwin and pays for its upkeep?? Wasn't it the Argentine families (NGO), or its the Arg gov't (why does the Argentine dimplomacy request this from London if they dont own the cemetery??) or its the FIG who London sends them to talk to ??
Nov 27th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But if the cemetery is owned by the Arg families why dont they just do what they want to with it??
@22CD2
Nov 27th, 2014 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would think that there is no Argentine ownership at all - they are there under sufference of the FIG only.
There was funding for creating the cemetary from a wealthy Argentine individual.
Regardless, how land is used, and who does it, will fall under existing regulations and a permits process.
Not to mention, there are immigration controls for personnel applying for entry.
Just end all diplomatic relations with th UK for fs, grow some balls Argentina!
Nov 27th, 2014 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24
Nov 27th, 2014 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good advice. Think you should follow it. Stop hiding in the dark under your bed, and grow a pair.
#22 The land where the cemetery sits is owned by the Falkland Islands Government. The Falkland Islands Government gave permission for a memorial to be built at the site some years ago provided it was maintained by the Families Commission, which they now do under contract. Prior to that the site was not well looked after, and the Falkland Islands Government carried out the maintenance required.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It really doesn't matter what laws have been passed in Argentina, because the fact of the matter is the land belongs to FIG.
It is a tragic shame that the Argentine Government seeks to play politics with those whose lives they needlessly sacrificed in 1982. It is even more alarming to see the Families Commission letting themselves be drawn into politics on this matter.
Shame on you all.
@ 26 WELL SAID
Nov 27th, 2014 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a strange conundrum here.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The article says that if Britain (sic) gets its way and the bodies of the dead are repatriated to Argentina, then they will have dies for nothing.
This is an extraordinary statement.
Firstly, Britain couldnt care less whether the bodies stay where they are, or not..Nor could the FIG...so long as the remains are respectfully treated and not used as Argie propaganda.
Secondly...THEY DID DIE IN VAIN. News flash, Argentina lost the war, the Falklands were not colonised by Argentina. Sad, but true.
Thirdly, if by the bodies staying on the islands, Argentina see that somehow the deaths are still productive (i.e. the opposite to dying in vain) it is perhaps the sickest most twisted logic of the Malvinista cult yet...
Sent to their deaths by a ruthless but dying military Junta, now being bastardised to support a ruthless, but dying populist government.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only change in 30+ years?
From military idiots to elected idiots.... Well done Argentina: you are a message to us all.
Learn some honour and leave the dead in peace.
26.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shame on you all. WTF?? I agree about the families & gov't, but what have I got to due with anything I asked a question.
dude chill out
#22....shame on all those playing politics, not you.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#22 CabezaDura2
Nov 27th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But if the cemetery is owned by the Arg families why dont they just do what they want to with it??
It's very variable by country, but certainly in the UK (and thus probably also in the Falkland Islands) there is a certain amount (actually quite a lot) of legal paperwork required to perform an exhumation (seriously, and just to complicate matters in UK law once the top of a coffin is below ground level it counts as having been buried - British gravediggers are very careful to make sure the hole is big enough all the way down). Failing to do the paperwork would open themselves up to all manner of legal complications (a charge of grave robbery being the most obvious).
The Argie trolls must be embarressed, not one commenting tonight.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They know their government is wrong..
Nov 27th, 2014 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have every respect for the genuine grief of Argentines whose relatives lie in the Falklands, however if we ever came to believe that the presence of those bodies led to an Argentine belief that the presence of in some way justified Argentinas dodgy claims then those bodies would be gone like a bat out of hell when the morning comes.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is addressed to señora Delmira H. de Cao.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ME REFIERO AL CAMPOSANTO EN LAS ISLAS FALKLAND DONDE SE ENCUENTRAN LOS RESTOS DE MIEMBROS DE LAS FUERZAS ARMADAS ARGENTINAS QUE PERDIERON SUS VIDAS DURANTE LA INVASION ILEGAL DE DICHAS ISLAS PERPETRADA POR TROPAS DE LA REPUBLICA ARGENTINA EN ABRIL 1982.
EL TERRENO QUE SE UTILIZA PARA DICHO CAMPOSANTO NO ES TERRANO ARGENTINO NI NUNCA SERA - ES TERRENO DE LAS ISLAS FALKANDS QUE CEDIERON TEMPORALMENTE EL ESPACIO ADECUADO PARA ENTERRAR COMPATRIOTAS SUYAS QUE PERDIERON SUS VIDAS INECESARIAMENTE DURANTE DICHO CONFLICTO.
SI EL PROPOSITO DE SU COMITE ES DE CAMBIAR LA ACTUAL SITUACION FAVOR DE PONERSE EN CONTACTO CON EL GOBIERNO DE LAS FALKLAND ISLANDS PUESTO QUE EL GOBIERNO DEL REINO UNIDO DE GREAT BRITAIN Y NORTHERN IRELAND NO PUEDE INTERVENIR EN EL ASUNTO.
Section 11) of the above document is blatant politicisation of the process
Nov 27th, 2014 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Section 12) is irrelevant as Argentine Law is invalid in the Falkland Islands.
Anyone seeking to make political capital by exploiting the war dead, their memory, or of the families is utterly despicable.
which would erase all traces of the Argentine determination of recovering the Islands and would make their sacrifice in vain.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They did die in vain. Argentina's invasion and war broke resolution 2065 and totally reversed the British policy pre-1982 of negotiating on sovereignty.
I am not sure why Argentina have great difficulty in understanding that their invasion has in the Islander's and the British public's eyes completely ruled out Argentine sovereignty forever.
Let these boys rest in peace, that's all they have. They are certainly not the precursor to Argentine sovereignty.
Even in death they are being conned by their own people.
@26
Nov 27th, 2014 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The site of the graves called the Argentine cemetery is and belongs to the Falkland Islands. Not one square inch of the Falkland Islands is Argentine. Those graves exist there for one reason and one reason alone, the good grace of the people of the Falkland Islands.
Referring to the Falkland Islands as the M word and south atlantic islands is insulting and offensive and is designed to be insulting and offensive to the people of the Falkland Islands. If the Argentine government continue to behave like children and not speak directly with FIG on this issue, the matter is finished and the relatives can go to their own graves without knowing who lies in this cemetery.
The manoeuvring by this committee alleged to represent the families of dead Argentine servicemen is nasty and vile and is not really interested in anything but juvenile posturing and politicking.
Nov 27th, 2014 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shame on these evil people!
Fuck you!
Nov 28th, 2014 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are over 22,000 Argentinian veterans from the Falklands War !
Nov 28th, 2014 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0National Commission for Malvinas Veterans 1997
http://www.cescem.org.ar/excombatientes/consecuencias.html
Over 10,000 were in the navy !
@41 And Good Morning to you also!
Nov 28th, 2014 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gordo1
Nov 28th, 2014 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not you, em! Funkem!
The Argentine version of anchor babies. ;)
Nov 28th, 2014 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let them R.I.P.
Nov 28th, 2014 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our boys must rest forever in this sacred land.
Nov 29th, 2014 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only a single sample DNA is asked to put a name on their crosses and let them know their mothers and fathers, their glorious destiny.
They gave their lives for our long-cherished dream, recover our little sisters, lost a long time ago.
ELLOS ESTAN AHI, EN LA TURBA MALVINERA, EN EL LUGAR MAS SAGRADO QUE EXISTE EN EL MUNDO PARA NOSOTROS, CON NUESTRA VIRGENCITA CIUDANDOLOS.
AND ALWAYS WILL BE THERE, whatever happens, caring our lost sisters, hugging them, your eternal sentinels.
We are with them, they gave their lives for our dream. Will never be forgotten.
@47 L. Ron Malvinas Argentinas
Nov 29th, 2014 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Further proof, if any were needed, that we have here is a faith-based cult impervious to reason.
47 Hernan
Nov 30th, 2014 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me translate for you:
ur little sisters, lost a long time ago.
THEY ARE THERE IN THE Malvinas PEAT IN THE MOST SACRED TO EXIST IN THE WORLD WE PLACE WITH OUR VIRGENCITA CIUDANDOLOS.
Hmm, still not much sense - do you want them dug up? We already know they were Argentines illegally visiting the Oslands where they have no business.
They can be returned, then you can tend your blouse and wring your hands over them all you like.
47 Hernan
Nov 30th, 2014 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We are with them, they gave their lives for our dream. Will never be forgotten.”
‘Our dream’ well at least that is an honest thought, but that is all it is a dream. A dream based on a national obsession and lies, a dream that fly’s in the face of reality, logic and the facts. It’s bad enough saying that young conscripts gave their lives for their country, but for a lie??
The soldiers gave their lives at the behest of a callous, murderous military dictatorship ably assisted by a baying mob on the streets of BA. In their nationalistic fervour to support the war it appeared, at the time, that nobody in Argentina gave a fig about the welfare of the young men that they sent to the Falklands. When the battle was over, did Argentina provide the British military with any help in identifying the bodies of their fallen? No, you had forgotten them already.
This was no noble cause just needless sacrifice, and now they demonstrate that they still don’t care about the soldiers, they just want to turn their final resting place into a new cause. Play the victim card again!
Argentina will never achieve its ‘dream’ of gaining the Falklands because your claim is illegitimate and your behaviour towards the Islanders disqualifies Argentina on moral grounds.
@47
Nov 30th, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They gave their lives for our long-cherished dream
They were sacrificed for a lie-an absolute waste of life.
You are correct about the dream. I have similar dreams about being able to flap my arms and fly-but it will never happen in reality, in a similar way that your colonial aspirations will remain a dream forever.
@51
Nov 30th, 2014 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had a dream the other day, it involved a lucious blonde with long flowing hair, and a fantastic body, but my wife woke me, It was only a dream. SHIT
Argentina's Jet Fighter Replacement Options Narrow
Nov 30th, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141130/DEFREG05/311300010/Argentina-s-Jet-Fighter-Replacement-Options-Narrow
interesting article..
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@47 Hernán
Dec 01st, 2014 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The introduction of the Virgin Mary into your claptrap really is reaching the depths of stupidity. Given the great number of your fellow citizens who have lived and worked in London over the last two hundred years I would not be surprised if there are more Argentine tombs in the UK than there are in the Falkland Islands.
We could alway say that Our Lady of Walsingham looks after our war dead but we don't because that is petty and unnecessary.
You really are a NABO!
@52 golfcronie
Dec 01st, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lol. I used to have dreams about working in the Falklands when I was young, and they became true, but at least they were achievable. I keep having recurring dreams of returning to the Falklands and finding a high speed monorail service to Stanley from MPA has been built but that is sheer fantasy.
I can only assume that my Elderberry Wine contains the same chemicals as Malbec, as the dreams follow a swig of homemade and are as crazy as Argentina's colonialist dreams.
@55
Dec 01st, 2014 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Highspeed monorail from Stanley to MPA, Christ you would be in MPA before you left Stanley, but i see what you mean, we can but dream. I dreamt that the Oil Companies in the FALKLANDS were going to sidetrack all their wells and see if the Argies are right about PUTA MUERTE having shale gas. That would be great if the FALKLANDERS sucked all the shale oil out of Argie land, what a hoot.
@24. No. Not diplomatic 'relations'. All 'relations'. For instance, any argie vessel found in the Falklands EEZ should be sunk. Any aircraft should be shot down. Any 'personnel' surviving should be bayoneted.
Dec 01st, 2014 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47. Oh, too true. The land is sacred. Sacred British/Falkland Islands land. 'Their glorious destiny'. Trying to steal.
Do you think it might be an idea to quit screwing your 'little sisters'?
I have this wonderful concept whereby any argie invasion results in the entire Darwin cemetery is exploded from its current location into the ocean. Where sea predators have been encouraged. Maybe argies will get there in time to watch their antecedents being chomped up. What are argies except sharkmeat?
We can help you with their 'glorious destiny'? They were shot dead by much better MEN with right on their side. You have no 'little sisters'. Faggots don't have sisters. I do wonder about individuals wanting to 'hug' green, decomposing, suppurating, slimy corpses. Time for a new minefield. Kill everything argie within range. By the way, I'm so pleased that you're a 'hernia'. I want to see argie guts explode!
Imagine for a moment if you will, (obviously this will never come to pass) that on day the Falkland Islands were handed over to argentina.
Dec 02nd, 2014 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0What would happen in argentina when they loose their government no longer has 'the myth' to use?
It would be like the second coming of christ for them, - And then having christ say - Erm, sorry I'm not really real, you are not going to heaven, erm the world will just go on as it is.........And I'll be watching Top Gear in December like everybody else....
@56
Dec 02nd, 2014 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not suggesting that the islands should have a monorail, or even a railway service but dreams are weird and just happen -I also used to have really stupid dreams that the RAF had a secret base in Patagonia with Tristars and Hawk 200 fighters-another illustration of sheer illogical fantasy-but when I wake up, reality hits. I think your dream of tapping into PUTA (lol) Muerte is probably more to the Islanders liking...
Amazing though that the Argentines continue to sleep walk and dream the impossible even after they wake up!
@58
Dec 03rd, 2014 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I get your point. Also, in this fantasy that the Falklands Islands miraculously suddenly become Argentine, there is another scenario to consider.
Someone else here previously pointed out: How would Argentina defend them?
What if Russia or China decided to just start building a 'scientific-station', and then took it from there?
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