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HMS Dragon in Chile; Argentine media recalls Mercosur ban on RN vessels
Argentine media is reporting that HMS Dragon, Type 45 destroyer and one of the most modern vessels in the Royal Navy is currently in Valparaiso, Chile attending the Exponaval 2014, one of the main naval and maritime exhibition events in the Southern hemisphere. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI don't have a problem with UK ships docking in Brazil or Chile or Uruguay. What I do find sad is that these countries perform exercises with the navy of a country that used that navy to invade Argentina twice, and another time to choke her to death economically.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0How embarrassing for Argentina.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Chileans and Brazilians know who are honourable, and where their future lies.
Nobody is listening to them - nobody cares about the Argentines.
*smirk*
@ 1 Maybe one of the Countries you name, use your twisted logic on history to recall Operación Soberanía
Dec 05th, 2014 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0#1
Dec 05th, 2014 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you this stupid?
“that used that navy to invade Argentina twice” - wrong, Argentina did not exist. What is now Argentina was a colony of Spain (whom we were at war with) at the time.
The Anglo-French blockade was part of the Uruguayan Civil War in which we (together with France, and Brazil) aided the ultimately victorious party while Argentina backed the wrong side.
Need I also remind you of the acrimonious history between Argentina and Chile? If you had held the Falklands you would certainly have invaded.
As normal you let your xenophobia and nationalism overwhelm any notion of reasons.
Beautiful ship.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I assume they paint over the big red dragon if they are preparing for active conflict. Rather diminishes its stealth profile
Dec 05th, 2014 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 The likelihood is that they do it due to the debt owed to Thomas Cochrane...there is history there.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 6 Idlehands
Dec 05th, 2014 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Rather diminishes its stealth profile”
I will take it that your comment was a joke, otherwise I would have to point out the “stealth” profile relates to electronic detection system such as radar, etc.
“Argentina is only represented at the event by its naval attaché in Santiago, Captain Fabian D'Angelo.”
This ‘Billy no mates’ must be head of the submarine ‘fleet’ such as it is because most of the surface ships aren’t: on the surface that is. Oh! Just remembered the argies had a submarine nearly roll over less than a year ago and it had to be tugged to dry dock whilst showing all the growth down the port side flank.
The argies don’t seem to realise that when they make stupid laws for other countries to agree to they will be ignored, just like TDC itself.
1) Forgive and forget Giorgio, forgive and forget.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I managed to forgive the Romans following their invasion in 54BC and as for the Spanish Armada? - water off a ducks back.
@6
Dec 05th, 2014 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would suggest if you saw the RED PAINTED DRAGON it would be far too late for you to react. These T45's are truly awesome, no wonder the Argies are scweeeeming, Christ I would love to see the face of the Naval Attache when he saw the Dragon. PMSL
Oops, it seems that you are once again lying. Chilean govt, not my words:
Dec 05th, 2014 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.latercera.com/noticia/politica/2014/12/674-607369-9-malvinas-gobierno-refuta-a-medios-transandinos-y-afirma-que-la-presencia-del.shtml#
8 ChrisR (#)
Dec 05th, 2014 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0No. They paint warships grey for a reason.
Giorgio #1 Why rant about this when you could rant about your precious marbles being lent to Putin by the British Museum?
Dec 05th, 2014 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or… are you not a proper Greek? Please explain?
Type-45 is a truly remarkable bit of kit, the Argentines can see what a Billion pounds looks like just floating along there... Hmm
Dec 05th, 2014 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@12... yes... they get the grey paint cheap....
Dec 05th, 2014 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0a red dragon on the other hand scares the living daylights out of people like the RGs... don't send the ship... just send a postcard... that will be enough to make them surrender.
Argentina has stealth warships too, they sink below the waves and lie dogo on the sea bed. :-) Aint it nice when a felow SA nation gives Argentina the finger?
Dec 05th, 2014 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Argentina. Poor, poor Argentina ...
Dec 05th, 2014 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why not building new and renewed ties? why not leaving sad past episodes behind? why not looking for mutual-benefit solutions?
Why not ... when you can keep acting like a 2 yo bratty spoiled kid?
All we get from this attitudes is to look like the town´s idiot, the one to whom everybody agrees in his presence, yet nobody follows his suggestions.
By now Argentina should have rebuilt its Navy. By now Argentina should be hosting RN´s ships on its own ports. By now Argentina should be taking part in those naval drills. However, it´s going more and more down on the sewer ....
Poor Argentina.
From a top-10 country in the early XIX century to the current living joke it has become. We can blame the war on the military junta, but this?
Poor, poor Argentina indeed.
@ 12 Idlehands
Dec 05th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0They also paint them grey / black / off white for a reason as well, something to do with camouflage. :o)
However, if the ship is being sought by electronic means the paint colour is of no consequence: NOW radar absorbing paint, that’s another thing.
I would imagine onlt the argies have to rely on eyesight as nothing works on their junk anyway.
Do they have ANY ships on the high seas at all? It seems not.
I rather like the Dragon decal on the bow. Perhaps Argentina should follow suit and paint pictures of CFK on the bows of their ships - would probably scare people more than the capabilities of the ships themselves.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic whining by argentina yet again.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Must be so embarrassing for that naval attaché of theirs right now.
I can just imagine the fun being poked at him, - even worse now their own media have started this non-story whining journalism.
@6 Idle, it's a file picture - they painted over the big red reptile quite a while ago (but it's a good way to distinguish it from a generic Type 45 for an article).
Dec 05th, 2014 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The camouflage theory is good in wartime, but in peacetime it's probably easier for hostile powers to keep an eye on the local newspapers to track where ships are doing goodwill visits (Dragon's courtesy visit to BVI was in the local paper and hence online a week before the ship arrived). Dragon seems to be particularly prone to this, as they have reasonably good football and rugby teams who always seem to be invited to play a friendly while they're there...
Here comes the big warship meowwwww, also worth a mention that the Royal Navy and Chile have huge ties anyway, a great read for anyone on here, pay special attention to the flags down the right column... No RG Flag there is there....
Dec 05th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cochrane,_10th_Earl_of_Dundonald
type 45 destroyers... and authentic british oeuvre d´art;
Dec 05th, 2014 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Royal Navy's new Type 45 destroyers continue to suffer from technical mishaps, with first ship of the class HMS Daring arriving a week late in Portsmouth on Saturday following emergency propulsion repairs in Canada. The £1.1bn+ ship had previously broken down in mid-Atlantic.”
“Not so Dauntless... Navy's £1 billion warship blacked out by a £10 fuse”
british + technology: LOL
@23
Dec 05th, 2014 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yet somehow it managed to get all the way to Chile!!!!
I love the smell of envy in the morning
@23
Dec 05th, 2014 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the ara santísma trinidad is where, exactly?
@1. You'll have to explain “a country that used that navy to invade Argentina twice, and another time to choke her to death economically.” Shall we put it in the context that argieland wasn't a fully recognised 'country', despicable though it both was and is, until 1858. Until then it was a spanish colony. Are you referring to 1806/7 when argieland was a legitimate colony of spain? Attacked, quite legitimately, in the course of war with spain? How about 1845 when argieland was STILL a legal colony of spain. But British forces were only supporting France. British forces never landed. Scummy argieland was only trying to block trade with others. You really must learn about the lies you tell. Make no mistake. For most of the 19th century, Britain was the most powerful nation in the world. Britain took India. Do you seriously think that Britain couldn't have taken argieland had it really wanted? Back then the British Army and Royal Navy were a lot nastier than they are today. And yet, in 1982, they still showed your cowards what it was like to have courage and commitment. It was your lot that ran!
Dec 05th, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine jealousy,
Dec 05th, 2014 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your allies desert you,
your so called friends ignore you,
the world laughs at you,
the UN avoids you ,
your ships , when afloat get impounded,
and all you can do, is cry and play the victim.
you deserve all you get,
as for the Royal Navy,
been around for nearly 2,000 years and still going strong,
whilst your navy ,,, well ..lolol
@18
Dec 05th, 2014 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The few ships that are left in the Argie navy are sitting in port, rusting.
Their only functioning weapons are the huge trails of rust and leaking oil they leave behind, which can strike a devastating blow to the fisheries and marine eco systems of any nation that they attack.
They can also be sunk to impede the naval movements of any invading country...
Oh dear such a small ship, you wait until the Queen Elizabeth the new Aircraft carrier turns up on your doorstep, be afraid very afraid LMFAO
Dec 05th, 2014 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No 1 has an odd concept of history. He alleges that Britain “invaded” Argentina on two occasions - nonsense. He is, of course, referring to the two invasions by British troops of the Spanish colonial settlement of Buenos Aires long before 1)Argentina declared independence and 2) some 50 years before Spain acknowledged Argentina to be independent.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do these trolls just keep on repeating lies and myths?
@30
Dec 05th, 2014 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you seriously suggesting that Argentina only existed when the Spanish decided to accept the obvious, which is that they had no actual de facto control over Argentina after Napoleon's invasion? Is that really what you are saying.
Do you realize that ABSOLUTELY NO SERIOUS HISTORIAN puts Argentine independence in the 1850s. In fact the first time I even ever heard of this ridiculous, childish, and thoroughly british in lacking basic education historical “fact”, was here.
And btw, if it were true, then that precious 1853 agreement was between the UK and Spain (yeah the one over your Falklands). Which means Argentina has not reneged on absolutely anything.
I dare anyone here with a straight face to go up to any non-Argentine historian and argue with him 1850s as Argentina's independence. Poor sods!
@17
Argentina does not forgive. UK is done in Argentina for ever, might as well close the embassy and save yourselves some cash. In 500 years, we will still remember 1806-1807 and 1845.
It is doubtful the beautiful ship and crew will have a more welcoming foreign port than Valpo.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32
Dec 05th, 2014 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prob not. But other Latin American countries will also.
Only Argentina would they create a national tragedy, which is why we keep them far away. PTSS due to British aggression for 200 years.
#31
Dec 05th, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina does not forgive. UK is done in Argentina for ever, might as well close the embassy and save yourselves some cash. In 500 years, we will still remember 1806-1807 and 1845.”
If every country thought like this the world would be a horrible place.
Less than 75 years after triggering the most bloody war in human history the former nations of the Axis have been largely forgiven and yet Argentina can't forgive an invasion 200 years ago?! Pathetic.
@31
Dec 05th, 2014 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear someone has “ got their knickers in a twist haven't they?” Who gives a toss about Argentina anyway? Move on. why keep harping on about the past, you can't change it can you? The PAST is PAST and Argentina is slowly going downhill, just accept it and move on. THE FALKLANDS whatever you and the Argentine Government says will ALWAYS BE A BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY until the FALKLANDERS decide to go Independant. TOODLE PIP OLD SPORT
@34
Dec 05th, 2014 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you forgiven the “Nazi hideouts” (act which btw YOU also performed, as did the USA)?
NO. You still throw that in our face as a crime of guilt.
So why can't we do the same.
If you and Germany, and Italy, and France get along now (a shirade really) then great. Argentina doesn't have to act like you Europeans act.
At the end of the day Argentina will do as it is told.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wait and see.
“The destroyer's presence is strongly echoed in the Buenos Aires media following reports that Brazil and Chile are supporting logistically Royal Navy vessels in the South Atlantic, despite the fact that there is a Mercosur agreement, promoted by Argentina, that vessels somehow linked to the Falklands are barred from calling in any of the region's ports”“.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”a Mercosur agreement, promoted by Argentina”....I though the Mercosur was meant to be a Trade Agreement, not some political forum for Argentina (more specifically , CFK) to vent her political frustrations.....
@36Giorgy, the fake Greek
Yr senseless question “Have you forgiven the “Nazi hideouts ?”
and your equally stupid answer “NO. You still throw that in our face as a crime of guilt.”, just goes to show what a frustrated twat you are......why should YOU feel any guilt ? were YOU personally responsible for helping them hide in Argentina ? it's a typical case of “If the hat fits....”
Maybe you haven't yet realized yet, but all that 'hate' fermenting in your sick brain, affects only you...
Of Course 2Argentina“ can forgive 1806-1807.....everybody involved has been dead for years, as has their grandchildrens grandchildren
Dec 05th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby on the other hand is not an Argentine...he is an Argy.
There is a difference, Conqueror noticed it first and it is an important distinction.
Argentines are clever, hardworking, honest folk....there are plenty Simon68 being a good example on these boards.
Argies are genuinely the scum of the earth, corrupt, lying, cheating scum. They are indeed a lesser race to all the others on the planet. A sub-human untermench, with a similar intellect to the average earthworm.
Its a shame. I have no idea whether Argentina has more Argentines than Argies, but clearly Toby advertises his ”Argy-ness” everytime he writes.
Don't hate them...pity them. Hold them in contempt because its all they deserve...but then, they are Argies.
Its not a racial thing, as there are clearly very very many Argentines....just too many Argies.
Poor Toby...
Be gentle guys.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentineans HAVE to live in the past. That is the only time their country was stable and prosperous. Now it's all coups and economic collapses - so of course they have to concentrate on anything but what they have solely done to themselves.
@36
Dec 05th, 2014 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, since you have no doubt grown up in Argentina and been through your school system, you have clearly learned the alternate reality that your textbooks provide.
Read any Argentine “historical document” about the Malvinas War: You sunk all the British ships, you shot down all the British jets, you won all the land battles, and yet you inexplicably lost the war due to some mysterious X-factor your Whacky Leadership keeps referring to as “colonial injustice”. It is hugely entertaining reading, but pretty far away from the truth...
That's why I get concerned when I read about Argentina dabbling in nuclear power. If your schools and universities take the same creative liberty with physics textbooks as they do with History, Geography, and Economics textbooks, there is reason to be very conerned indeed...
Well I don't want Argentina to have nukes. Just a missile and defense shield that makes any attack on the country via aircraft or rockets onerously expensive or futile. Nukes are for nations with small penis syndrome.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38
I care because an insult or criticism of Argentina, at anytime over anything, by a FOREIGNER, is unnacepable, and an insult to me, my parents, my relatives, my beloved cousin, and all my ancestors.
@37
End of the day? It must be the longest day in human history then? How many decades now since we haven't paid debt, or honored treaties, or seeked friendship with you or the Falklands? :)
One does only as told if the other side has actual power. The reality obviously is obvious.
Errr. #41 but… Toby hasnt grown up. He is just like Private Pike, only more childish. He thinks he knows all about history, but remember he was 'educated' in Argentina, and that means one thing - brainwashed!
Dec 05th, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep taking the tablets Toby, on second thoughts, try and get a new prescription.
@31. It's a matter of LAW. You can 'claim' whatever you like. Who discovered south america? Who occupied it? Who murdered most of the native inhabitants? What language do you try to speak? Typical argie. Only admit the bits you like. Or that suits you today! And argieland still hasn't managed to become a proper country. Belligerent, corrupt, criminal, deceitful, depraved, deviant, larcenous, mendacious and puerile. Thanks for reminding us of the 19th century. Just more reasons to despise you. There were no argies in 1806/7. And, unsurprisingly, the record shows that those who fought were French. And in 1845, Rosas was a dictator, warlord and caudillo. Such a nice person. State terrorism, war on indigenous people, murder, genocide. The attempted annexation of Paraguay and Uruguay. What a disgusting piece of shite. Or, a typical argie.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42. Don't bother with any attempts at nukes. Figure out who can drop 640 100-megaton nuclear warheads on your head. You have no idea how close you are to destruction. See if you can find a poll showing how much of Britain wants you destroyed. The world neither needs nor wants you. And after you...spain. 200 years and you're still big mouth and gutless. You can't be insulted. Corrupt, cowardly, criminal, depraved, deviant, genocidal, homicidal, homosexual, larcenous, mendacious, murderers, noxious, oppressive, puerile, rapists, shameless, slags, transexuals, vultures, warmongers, xenophobes. Where's the insult? Every descriptive word is TRUE.
How many decades haven't you paid debt? At least three. How many decades haven't you honoured treaties? Seven. Friendship? Falklanders don't shake hands with you in case they don't get all their fingers back. I suppose there could be friendship between the Falkland Islands and argieland. When you're all dead! Argieland. A landscape of scum.
@21 she had one reapplied earlier this year - was on when she left Portsmouth
Dec 05th, 2014 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/defence/hms-dragon-heads-out-for-her-second-ever-deployment-1-6382749
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/defence/hms-dragon-heads-out-for-her-second-ever-deployment-1-6382749
I think I speak for everyone when I say Argentina can kiss my arse, in fact no f**k that, they'll only try and claim it....
Dec 05th, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Got to love HMS Dragon, she gets welsh livery, partnerships with the welsh sea cadets and then her motto is “We yield but to St George”.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vassal states are great, aren't they? :D
@47
Dec 05th, 2014 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong, VASSAL is a person you knuckle dragger.
The primary role and attendance of Argentine naval attaché in Santiago, Captain Fabian D'Angelo is to view, photograph, investigate and report on anything and everything for his superiors and his government.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He will be noting all who attended, talking to anyone he can 24 x 7, collect any and all trade documentation, taking digital photographs and video, noting measurements, and recording and evaluating any and all conversations with attendees at Exponaval 2014. That is all collated and routed back in his naval intelligence reports for further review and processing.
I doubt if in his role as the Argentine naval attaché to Chile he would allow himself to be embarrassed at all. He would also be quite aware that he is being monitored and shadowed by others, especially including the host country of the event.
As noted above other than political fodder for CFK and her ilk, there is not much one can do with this information in the Argentine Naval Services currently. All they are left with are a few distant memories of the past, and wistful but unrealistic dreams of how events might have been
The Argentine Forces were very lucky that Reagan asked our dear Maggie not to humiliate the Argies by reducing their infrastructure to rubble. Airfields, ports El Chocon etc
Dec 05th, 2014 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42 Giorgy the Greek
Dec 05th, 2014 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you've got to realize is that most posters on this forum are quite capable of discerning between the country Argentina, and those who govern it....When you defend the government - which the whole bloody world knows is corrupt and incompetent, thus the mess the country is in - you make it clear to those reading your posts that you too, are an irrational, brainwashed twat. CFK and her cronies are screwing you, and yet you defend her...it's OK to hate your government, specially when it's made up of a bunch of crooks. No one here is belittleing the Argentines that work hard and are productive. Criticism - not always constructive - is aimed at the numbnuts.
Having this ship turn up at this event was privilege, not just to Chile but the whole of South America, I doubt that there was anything else there that came close to this ships capabilities. The problem for Argentina is that they have no answer to this ship, nothing they have and nothing that they could hope for in the future.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I haven't read all of the posts on this story so apologies if it has already been said.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HMS Dragon is on her way much further south than the heart of Chilean politics. Soon she'll be in sight of Gilbert House.
Thanks for your ongoing support in such matters Chile, Brazil and Uruguay.
Chuckle chuckle
Giorgio. Global Corruption Index Scores for 2014: UK 14th position, Chile and Uruguay joint 21st; Argie-land 107th position (One-hundred-and-seventh). That's a whole lot of cheating and lying. Lol
Dec 05th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31:
Dec 05th, 2014 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina does not forgive. UK is done in Argentina for ever, might as well close the embassy and save yourselves some cash. In 500 years, we will still remember 1806-1807 and 1845.”
Are we meant to give a shit?
At the end of the day, it's the same old BS.
Dec 05th, 2014 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina hasn't been important in about 100 years... just a pain in the ass.
And NOBODY gives a shit.
@31
Dec 06th, 2014 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“In 500 years, we will still remember 1806-1807 and 1845.”
But strangely enough not 1982.
You will remember the conquest of the desert as it was soooo hard fighting the natives eh?
Different when you actually thought Britain wasn't going to come to the gig in 1982 and then they turned up after all....
Amazing that Chile welcomes a Type-45 Destroyer into port. One only can do that with secure friends, anyone nervous is at risk of destruction.
Dec 06th, 2014 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The clue is in the name of the ship.
Chile must be feeling very secure in its friendship with the UK.
I doubt that they would offer the same to Argentina.
You all realize that the type 45 is eventually planned to be adopted by the Chilean navy in less than two decades, following tradition as well as common sense.
Dec 06th, 2014 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@58
Dec 06th, 2014 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well surely Chile and Brazil can feel secure, the UK has never attempted to destroy them, let alone destroy them THREE TIMES!
@59
Dec 06th, 2014 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I welcome that day. To see the Navy of Chile so proud in both the South Atlantic AND the South Pacific.
Gloriana Chileana!
Chile with a Type-45 or three! Wow! Just imagine!
#60
Dec 06th, 2014 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stop distorting history.
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Dec 06th, 2014 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
When Britain first, at heaven's command,
Arose from out the azure main,
This was the charter of the land,
And Guardian Angels sang this strain:
(Chorus)
The nations not so blest as thee
Must, in their turn, to tyrants fall,
While thou shalt flourish great and free:
The dread and envy of them all.
(Chorus)
Still more majestic shalt thou rise,
More dreadful from each foreign stroke,
As the loud blast that tears the skies
Serves but to root thy native oak.
(Chorus) ,
Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame;
All their attempts to bend thee down
Will but arouse thy generous flame,
But work their woe and thy renown.
(Chorus)
To thee belongs the rural reign;
Thy cities shall with commerce shine;
All thine shall be the subject main,
And every shore it circles, thine.
(Chorus)
The Muses, still with freedom found,
Shall to thy happy coasts repair.
Blest isle! with matchless beauty crowned,
And manly hearts to guard the fair.
(Chorus)
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
- read it and weep tobi, read it and weep.
The Truth will make you Free.
ilsen
Dec 06th, 2014 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good one!
I like the bits that reference Argentina
“The nations not so blest as thee
Must, in their turn, to tyrants fall,
While thou shalt flourish great and free:
The dread and envy of them all. ”
Chorus
“Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame;
All their attempts to bend thee down
Will but arouse thy generous flame,
But work their woe and thy renown. ”
(Chorus)
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
Yay!!!
@60 Giorgie Porgie - a day in the life
Dec 06th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Georgie Porgie , pudding and pie
kissed the boys and made them cry
when the girls came out to play
Georgie Porgie ran away.......
The UK never attempted to destroy Argentina...IF it had , it would have succeeded, and Argentina wouldn't exist today....the UK just told you to shut up and behave yourselves.
@65
Dec 06th, 2014 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You failed three times in the 19th century, when you were the aggressor. 1982 we were the aggressor so it's a bit different.
@ 66 Zorbit* the Greek
Dec 06th, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FFS stop living in the 19th century.
Frankly, the ONLY time that The Blessed Margaret ever disappointed me was when she listened to Raygun Ronnie Reagan when he pleaded for the Junta to be left ‘with some dignity’ so don’t attack the mainland.
BIG MISTAKE as we can see for ourselves.
Destroying your entire infrastructure: power stations, airfields of all types, railway yards and trainsets, major bridges of all types and of course dockyards would have put you back into the Stone Age which is where Peronistas belong.
We could have done it then, we MOST CERTAINLY can do it now, never forget that. No need for nuclear weapons or permission from the UNSC.
The only thing you have going for you is that Argentina is not worth the trouble while all you can do is rattle your plastic toy sword. If that ever changes and it even LOOKS as if the Falklands is under threat and lives may be lost again at the hand of sneak, cowardly attacks, then look out.
* Zorbit is nursery bedding, so appropriate for your tag I thought.
@67
Dec 06th, 2014 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Living in 1982.
You can do as you please if Argentina attacks the Falklands again, you won't get any objections here.
If we don't, just stay the fuck away. That includes you.
@66 GiorgyPorgy
Dec 06th, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You failed three times in the 19th century, when you were the aggressor. 1982 we were the aggressor so it's a bit different”.....
How condescending of you....but the reality is, not that it matters any more - because it 's all ancient history now - the UK could have kicked your butts to 'kingdom come' if they had wanted to....and only didn't in 1982, because Ronald Reagan asked the UK not to.
And since you admit that Argentina was the agressor in 1982 - which doesn't change the fact that you still got your ass kicked - doesn't that in some way, undermine their spurious claim to the FI ?? If they had EVER belonged to the Argentine - which they most certainly did not - wouldn't the so-called act of aggression be called a 'recovery attempt”....or better, a 'failed recovery attempt' ??
The Falklands are not Argentine nor were they ever, in my opinion. Next question?
Dec 06th, 2014 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow! the Maggot of Mendoza states that Napoleón invaded Argentina (@31). Is that in the Argentine history books too?
Dec 06th, 2014 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70 Giorgy
Dec 06th, 2014 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next question : Yes there is one......pls refer to the postings under the headline “CFK IMMUNITY etc”....try answering the one in my #89....correctly, this time. Pls. Tks.
One thing is clear. Twenty years from now, Chile will not “consult” Argentina,
Dec 06th, 2014 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0before purchasing, a used, but still magnificent, T-45 Destroyer.
Philippe
72 Jack B
Dec 06th, 2014 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Giorgi” is a Peronist Troll and suck hole to CFK
- he is incapable of answering your question HONESTLY.
@74 Troy
Dec 07th, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gotta agree with you ....he IS a Peronist turd....
#1 you forgot sank your battleship and forced the corwadly torture loving rapists and baby stealers to skulk back to their harbours afraid of facing an enemy that could fight back.
Dec 08th, 2014 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RN nuclear submarines have been calling at Las Salinas and other ports for years .
Dec 08th, 2014 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's all the fuss about ?
@31 “In 500 years, we will still remember 1806-1807 and 1845.”
Dec 11th, 2014 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is pretty obvious to anyone not brought up in Argentina that “Malvinas” is a convenient smokescreen used to deflect attention when things start to get hot in the Peronist kitchen.
And with 40% inflation, 30% plus poverty, mountaing public debt and dwindling reserves, not to mention Cristina's money laundering, Boudou's money printing and a long string of other scandals, any one of which would have brought down a British govenment within days - there's always plenty cooking in Argieland.
But do you really think Peronism will last another 500 years?
God help you poor buggers since you are obviously unable to help yourselves except in the most negative sense of the term.
78 Rule Britannia
Dec 11th, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spot on!!
Well said, exactly right!
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