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BBC team authorized to film wildlife in Tierra del Fuego under certain conditions
A BBC crew is currently filming in Tierra del Fuego a documentary on the wildlife of the Beagle Channel Islands. The crew is escorted by an observer from the provincial government and according to local officials it had to sign a document by which when the material is edited it must clearly establish that it was filmed in Argentine territory, with support from local authorities. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt all sounds so paranoid having to have an observer like the old Soviet Union but I suspect it is more about ensuring the safety of the BBC crew from the terminally dense mobs in Argentina that read something into nothing to feed their victim mentality.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the population of the Estado islands consists of four marines on rotating duties, according to Wikipedia, Elaine B, it would probably take even longer to get a terminally dense mob together than it took the B.B.C. to get permission to go. It's more likely that a local naturalist took the chance for a free visit - and why not?
Dec 11th, 2014 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Why not indeed.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0taking in account the terrible records of the bbc regarding child abuse, these tw@ts should be handcuffed and escorted by a group of policemen.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no child is safe when you have bbc personnel around.
Always thought Attenborough was an Agent. Perhaps he's filming suitable landing grounds for when Argentina starts the next war?
Dec 11th, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Paul (4)
Dec 11th, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny how you hold the BBC to tragic events that happens five decades ago, but no one can hold Argentina to tragic events that happened three decades ago.
Given the alternative (an internationally watchable BBC wildlife program going out with the standard news boilerplate for places that BBC news has been banned from (usually the less savory end of the middle east and/or whichever African dictatorships they've last exposed the human rights abuses of), which looks really bad) and them filming in Chilean Tierra del Fuego instead, then for a change it looks like common sense might have just about won out. For a change.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hardly think that corporate BBC has a record for child abuse. However, one of its prominent performers was a sad abuser - I think mamarracho No 1(paulcedron) must be more than a little confused, as usual.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just like North Korea.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0their always has to be one spoil sport who ruins it for the rest ,
Dec 11th, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and it just has to be an argie,
but no doubt the filming will be a good one,
rules will be observed, and the spoil sport argie who has to ruin a nice blog will jump to the next one.
The BBC make some great programmes...
I'm confused, is the BBC filming the RG knuckle draggers or what? Is it their tyre burning ritual, their rock throwing ritual, intimidating pensioners ritual, or their habit of retreating fast at the first sign of any trouble ritual?
Dec 11th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0gordo bolu:
Dec 11th, 2014 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“BBC: new child sex abuse allegations emerge against staff other than Savile
Twenty BBC current or former employees have faced total of 36 allegations since October, FOI request reveals”
“Twenty BBC employees have faced 36 allegations of sexually abusing children and teenage victims since the Jimmy Savile scandal rocked the corporation last year.”
it seems to me that you are not confused, you are simply an asshole, or worse, you think that all that shite is right.
I like BBC´s wildlife shows.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don´t get why they wouldn´t mention that it was filmed in Argentina.
A guide is perfectly understandable, specially if they are going to shoot in a protected area.
Somebody should really calm down out there ...
@ paulcedron , As I always say ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM. One day a good person will come along (don't hold your breath though) who will lead your country out of kindergarten status.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12
Dec 11th, 2014 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/04/farming-family-accused-of-bestiality-after-baby-goat-is-born-with-human-face-4892364/
Apparently the BBC have also agreed not to film any more Argentine goat/human hybrids.
These special procedures are only done with the British, and no one else, with good reasons.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Makes sense, since no other country attacked Argentina twice, let alone three times. Also no other country (except Chile), has consistently tried to claim Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego, as Britain and British do, based on “rights of settlement” (which is absurd). The BBC would most certainly have filmed there and then claimed it was either the Falklands, Antarctica, or even Chile.
One must take all precuations and safeguards to protect Argentine territorial integrity from British cupidity and expansionism.
Toblerone is back! Warning, may contain nuts (although its doubtful whether he is old enough).
Dec 11th, 2014 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The last Anglo invasion of Argentina consisted of three ageing Brit twerps lampooning Argentina for their last abortive invasion of the Falkland Islands in which they were soundly defeated by a much smaller British force and ran away. Just in case you were wondering…
No other country, other than Argentina, colonised Patagonia and refuses to hand it back to the Indigenous population.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Partly because they are very hard to find after, no other country than Argentina) tried to commit genocide against them.)
It is good to see that the Argentines are so afraid of the British. We should encourage it.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow the Maggot of Mendoza is back with its peculiar version of history. Its pupation into a warble fly is obviously delayed though its practising for its new transformation where it can really warble. Some of his tawry gems.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Napoleón invaded South America. The only incursión of Napoleón was his exile to the south Atlantic island of St Helena so presumably thats Argentine terretory to according to its warped reasoning.
Britain claims Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego by right of prior settlement. Is that in the Argentine history books too? A new one on me.
Really this maggot is just a masochistic parasite that feeds on the flesh of its host till its time to find another unsuspecting host for its ideas to feed on.
@18 Do I have to teach history again? I told you several times..why don't you read serious history books?..
Dec 11th, 2014 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see any issue in being assisted by an scientist and observer since they are working in an enviromental protected area. This is common all around the world. I can remember now when a Red Bull documentary was shot in “Parque Nacional de Los Glaciares” and they were, all the time, being screened by National Park's people.
In addition, Isla de Los Estados has an incredible history since the Argentine government ceeded it to Luis Piedra Buena, a sailor and explorer, in payment for his services to the nation and for having save lots of lives rescuing people of shipwrecs. The UK government wanted to buy it to him but he refused to sell it to a nation other country and finally he donate the island back to Argentina. Would you imagine the kind os dileme we would face. if on top of everything, the Isla de los Estados were “under dispute”...
“afraid” is not the word, but you know, their records are not the best.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sexual abusers, protection of sexual abusers, and now these three bums of top gear mocking asians, amerindians, blacks, argentines, etc.
guess the right word is repulsion.
@22
Dec 11th, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a whineing little chap you are.What on earth has child abuse got to with this?
@19 Based on the reality it seems that argentine people afraid you, and the islanders, more than the scare you cause. The garrison, the local legislation, your international attitudes...not to mention the intention to ban the argentine flag in the islands .
Dec 11th, 2014 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's very difficult and phisically demanding to live scared....
@22 Instead of sitting in the corner spitting venom why not ask your pal Think to show you how to play with your own shit? It seems to make him happy.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, you are afraid of the British. You should be.
The Argie Bargies have got to do their level best to try and distract everyone from the truth. Argentina is a highly racist society. Day after day it becomes more and more like North Korea where every foreigner, especially journalists has to be accompanied by a 'minder'. Things are sooo bad that they are petrified that 'foreigners' will film things and assemble them into a documentary showing the place up for what it is, a subjugated land controlled by gangs of government thugs. Argentina is currently ruled by gangsters and criminals who have appointed a mindless Evita substitute elected in rigged elections where the poor are openly bribed to vote for her. This shameless old harpy intends to be suceeded by her criminal son in the worst tradition of evil dictatorships through further bent elections. At present he runs a Hitler like so called 'youth' organisation that is deployed to supress freedom of expression. Added to all that a large proportion of the population live in tin shacks and scrape a living by clearing up piles of discarded plastic and cardboard at night. The country lurches from financial crisis to crisis and is regarded as a pariah nation by civilised countries because it is trapped in a spiral of debt from which no one has the nous to extract it.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The BBC could make a documentary covering Argentinas malaise and the powers that be are shit scared that they actually will do so, hence the 'minder', just like those found in North Korea. Perhaps they already are in a covert and secret fashion. They have done it before, thats why the Argies are bricking themselves.
On Mercopress Argentina employs trolls like Pauly, Toby, Marcos, and Stink to distract everyone, but… . it doesnt work!
@24 can I ask what your problem would be with the Islanders banning the entry of any ship flying the Argentinian flag? After all this is exactly what Argentina has done to all ships flying the Falkland Islands flag.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 yes there was some terrible abuse that was covered up, but now it has come to light measures are been taken to convict those who were involved, lets not forget the depravities carried out by the Argentinian government on it's own population, torture, rape, murder, stealing babies. How long was that covered up for Paul? Does that also mean that we must look at all members of the Argentinian government and it's subsidiaries as criminals?
Yes I know that some have been brought to justice for these crimes and well done to your country for doing it. Oh and I suppose there is no crimes against children in Argentina ever!
@22 Instead of sitting in the corner spitting venom why not ask your pal Think to show you how to play with your own shit? It seems to make him happy.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, you are afraid of the British. You should be.
@13. I 'get' why Pablo gets so incensed. He didn't get his 'turn'. Getting their 'turn' is very important for argies. Maybe he wasn't informed that there was an opportunity to get his 2 inches (fully extended) out. And, as you can tell, Pablo likes 'asshole' as well. Although it's unclear whether he's a 'giver' or a 'taker'. Or both.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16. Please explain. There was no argieland until 1858. Your drivel refers to 1806/7 and 1845. You're referring to a spanish colonialist dictatorship. Suppose we refer you to the kingdoms of Wessex, Mercia? Just another made-up 'grievance'.
But let us, by all means, take every measure to to turn argieland into slime. Won't take a lot. 98% there already. Or should we call it 'shite'?
@18. Not 'colonised'. 'Invaded, occupied, raped and murdered'.
@21. What are you drivelling about?
@24. 'It's very difficult and phisically demanding to live scared....' Get used to being scared. As long as you try to 'claim' legitimate' British territory, you are on the edge. You may be obliterated tomorrow.
@27 There are different sets of standard in the FI and in Argentina towards each other.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina:
You can wave the UK flag, the English rugby, soccer, etc shirts without any issue. No bans regarding this issue at all.
Any UK sport National Team can play official games whithout any issue.
Any UK citizen, islander and even Members of the Royal Family can enter the country, practice sports and visit all the national territory without any restriction.
Any UK citizen or Islander can get a DNI (Identification Card) as any other foreigner whitout any “special” treatement.
Any UK citizen, even islander, can buy land, properties and large farms even in Patagonia and in Tierra del Fuego
Any UK citizen, even islander, can print a book with his/her opinions about the war and the current political situation.
Any UK citizen, even islander, can be buried without having his/her grave violated in any way
Any UK citizen, even islander, can inherit properties, land and farms.
Any UK, and islander, representative can enter the country without any inconvinience and even talk to the press and the local media
Any UK commercial and private airplane can enter the Argentine Air Space. Even UK warplanes had done this when needed, for their safety, due to bad wheather in the Islands. All of this without being harassed by the Argentina Air Force.
Any UK, even islander, private ships can enter the Argentine Territorial Waters without any issue or “special green” light.
Royal Navy ships, and other ships, coming from the FI were assisted by argentine uthorities even when they had been rejected from the FI.
I hope any argentine citizen would received the very same kind of treatement from the UK and the FI.
@30
Dec 11th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can Falklands flagged vessels dock at Argentine ports?
Can Falklands bound charter flights overfly Argentine air space?
Can cruise ships intending to visit the Falklands dock at Argentine ports?
Can British TV presenters drive cars on their UK registered number plates without being pursued by a howling mob?
Can the elected representatives of the Falkland Islanders meet the authorities of the country which seeks to annex them?
25
Dec 11th, 2014 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Yes, you are afraid of the British. You should be.”
afraid of the british?
as a whole?
LOL
why?
i was talking about that crap of bbc.
they should be banned of working in any other country, except in england where clearly you love those guys:
“Former Radio 1 DJ Chris Denning admits string of sex abuse on boys as young as nine”
“Former DJ and friend of Jimmy Savile sentenced for rape and indecent assault of girls in Manchester in 60s and 70s”
“Rolf Harris guilty of indecent assaults”
“Jimmy Savile - supplier of children for sexual abuse by the elite”
the common denominator?
they all worked for the bbc.
TTT is. Why not read his post.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have an unhealthy interest in these cases but let my put this thought in your head. What makes you think this is not happening in Argentina? It is but you just haven't bothered to deal with it yet.
@33
Dec 11th, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They haven't bothered to deal with it yet,they are still dealing with problems they had in 1970's give them time and anyway they probably have immunity from prosecution.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/13/argentinian-founding-father-genocide-row
Dec 11th, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinian founding father recast as genocidal murderer .
these argies must be really desperate if all they can do is slag of the BBC,
Dec 11th, 2014 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yep..
really desperate..
No, they are paralysed with fear that the BBC will do a documentary on Argieland! It would go viral worldwide. Castro is wetting herself!
Dec 11th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wafflers! lol. rotting roadkill, you can't bargain with the BBC(and you can't nationalize them either)! lol.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 033 ElaineB
Dec 11th, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What makes you think this is not happening in Argentina?”
Of course it is!! That's why it is most definitely NOT reported.
I wouldn't put it past their pope to crack one off the wrist in the vestry before talking all that b*llsh*t about “Love thy neighbour” and “turn the other cheek”.
As that wise man Dave Allen once said :-
“what do you call the choir at the popes' inauguration?”
The Booby prize!!!
@39 That was my point. It happens everywhere, sadly, and the only difference is a country's willingness to confront it. To deny it is to enable the abusers.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35
Dec 11th, 2014 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They forgot Mitre and Sarmiento. ;)
@35
Dec 11th, 2014 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I sure am going to learn a lot from the Guardian. Roca a “founding father”. I guess just like Andrew Jackson was a founding father (60+ years after US independence). And also a genocide mass killer who REMAINS on US currency.
So Roca was our founding father, not San Martin. Thanks British for teaching us right! What a bunch of crazies these Anglos.
And yes Elaine, I fear the British. I fear and take precautions against anyone who is not only dishonest but also has a streak of cultural supremacism. Both are elements common in British Culture.
I think on an international scale Argentines are considered more dishonest and I also think you are allowing your inferiority complex cloud your judgement. But if you wish to avoid all British citizens it isn't going to affect anyone but you.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31 My dear friend....
Dec 11th, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can Falklands flagged vessels dock at Argentine ports? No they cannot but it's my understaning that argentine flagged vessels cannot dock FI ports but UK flagged vessels defnitly can (if they are not going to or comming from the islands). In addition, let me add that there is not any legal restriction to show the FI flag in the country. Off course it has no legal recognition at all.
Can Falklands bound charter flights overfly Argentine air space? No, they cannot but regular flights can but not a single argentine are plane can approach the island air space zone. UK planes can enter Argentina air space and work regularly.
Can cruise ships intending to visit the Falklands dock at Argentine ports? Legally they can in the whole country exept in two provinces, Buenos Aires and in Tierra del Fuego.
Can British TV presenters drive cars on their UK registered number plates without being pursued by a howling mob? Yes they lagally can. What had happened with BBC TV presenters is a stupid and dangerous thing since common people violently reacted in they way the TV presenters had previously planned and wanted.
Can the elected representatives of the Falkland Islanders meet the authorities of the country which seeks to annex them? Yes, they legally can but with the current government they were not received but they can enter the country and even freely speak by the media.
I do avoid them. More trouble than they are worth.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines are not more dishonest. We are more corrupt, i.e., we do like taking more kickbacks and ask for “benefits” to any agreement or understanding. But that is not dishonesty if one is forthright about it (which you must be if you ask for anything “on the side”).
The British are dishonest: they tell you one thing to your face, and behind close doors meant the entire opposite or DO the entire opposite. I have seen this behavior plenty of times even here: British posters singing the praises of Chile or Colombia on one thread (to spite “argies”), and then in another they speak sh!t of those countries. That's how the British are.
Which is what makes you good diplomats. You are supremely talented for sounding sincere during the formalities but speaking ill and devil about the same people in the brandy & tobacco room.
That's why Argentines and British will never get along: we are direct, in your face, and yes many times crass and untactful. British are circumlocutious and glib at the same time, and are all about “looking good” and “protocol”, while argentines could care less about ceremony and pomp.
Diametrically opposed peoples with absolutely NOTHING in common.
@44
Dec 11th, 2014 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's what I thought. Five times “No”. That's not very neighbourly.
@44
Dec 11th, 2014 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bused in Vatayon Militante and La Campora thugs are neither “common” or “people.” ;)
@45 I witnessed dishonest behaviour when I was living in BsAs. Scamming each other and nicking a quid off your neighbour is not 'up front'. Leaning on the scale when weighing produces whilst smiling at the customer is not honest, it is two-faced. It really doesn't matter if you want to convince yourself otherwise but I will give you a piece of advice that might just change your life. Never form opinions based on the postings on a message board.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I base my opinions on British behavior on all levels, personal, group, and government. You are dishonest sorry, and your history is also full of such instances.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you take it so personal? It's just a human flaw. British are human beings, not perfect, though many here do tend to forget :o
@49
Dec 11th, 2014 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It's just a human flaw.”
Just like chopping heads off is for you, Chopper. You're such an easy going guy. ;)
It is funny to read the posts of these english wannabes talking about Roca.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What can they or the Guardian know about him, about Mitre, about the Período Agroexportador, the Conquista del Desierto and the role of England in all that?
Maybe these ignorant hillbillies also think that England had nothing to do with the Guerra de la Triple Alianza (read the role of the Baring Brother Bank), etc.
Maybe these hillbillies should ask why so many british sheep farmer companies appeared in the Patagonia along with the british railway, right after the Conquista del Desierto.
Not by chance Roca was an ally of Britain, and so his son (read the treaty Roca- Runciman, you paletos).
And a piece of advice, if you paletos, want to know something about Roca, Mitre, San Martín, Rosas or any other Argentinian, read HISTORY BOOKS, not the Guardian.
Here you have one, by Felipe Pigna
http://www.elhistoriador.com.ar/articulos/miscelaneas/gran_bretana_y_argentina.php
If I were English, I would be more concerned about all those murderers you consider heroes.
49 Giorgio C. Tsoukalos
Dec 11th, 2014 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“British are human beings, not perfect”
tut, tut, tut Tobi!!! This is why we ARE better than you and better than any argentinain. We are not perfect but we recognise that fact and try to act on it.
argentinian think that they are perfect and that they can do no wrong. That is why the country and the people are such a mess, from the president who thinks its ok to embezzle and misappropriate funds that were supposed to be spent on upgrading the railways ( she murdered those people that died in that train crash, by the way ), to stealing funds that were supposed to be used for repairing your icebreaker.
Right down to the taxi drivers who pass off their own home made counterfeit peso bills to unsuspecting tourists. You think you can do no wrong, you think that invading someone else's islands is not wrong because you are “recovering” them and “Liberating” the population, when all you are doing is stealing the land and subjugating the population.
So, my brainwashed, amoral, enemy. This is why we ARE better than you and continue to be better.......It's because you, your country and the entire population of it ( barring a tiny portion who keep the light burning ) are lost.........
@49 I didn't think you were speaking about me personally, just making wild generalisations.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stereotypes and generalization is all that these hillbillies can manage.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0their ability to discriminate is zero and their critical thinking is less than that.
after watching what the english did in the riots of 2011, and applying the same criteria, you have to think that all of them are the worst scum in the world.
One has no idea what all this has to do with-
Dec 11th, 2014 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A BBC crew is currently filming in Tierra del Fuego a documentary on the wildlife of the Beagle Channel Islands,
Also to mention it was made on argy territory,
all films or documentaries all over the world always mention where it was made, and always thank the local etc etc for letting them film,
its just a program, ok its a British program, meaning its probably top class and professionally made,
but it is still just a program,
get over it.
so they say...
53 ElaineB
Dec 11th, 2014 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's been a while since we exchanged messages; I rarely look at MP anymore. I changed jobs recently to one where I hardly travel; I only go on a couple of trips a year and I am loving being at home more. The garden is really benefiting from it also!
I have to ask though: what the hell has happened to Toby, TTT or whatever he calls himself today? Is he just having a bad day on this thread or has he morphed over time into the pathetic creature I see before me above?
I can still recall a time when I used enjoy exchanging messages with him. He has always been clear from the start that he supports the Falkland Islanders' rights which I've always appreciated. I haven't always appreciated his hatred for the British but at least he still used to put up a decent argument, even if he did always run off and sulk too soon. Now it's like he's a hopeless drug addict who will just do and say anything regardless of what anyone thinks of him. Dear oh dear.
I hope all is well with you and that you're home for a nice break over Christmas.
@51
Dec 11th, 2014 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul, I am willing to bet I know more about it than you do. You see, I live in a house full of history books, and have a section on Argentina. You, on the other hand, come across as a barely literate Nazi symp. ;)
I have no problem with argentine authorities placing an observer with the crew,
Dec 12th, 2014 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0i will go one better, for every argentine entering ANY british territory they have two british observers payed for by the argentine authorities we wouldnt want an episode like what happened with the state sponsored advert of the olympic athlete on the Falklands or Argentine visitors filming themselves planting the argentine (shit roll) flag whilst they are on Falkland territory, and make them sign documents that they state clearly the territory they are visiting is NOT argentine...its only fair!!!
imotaro
Dec 12th, 2014 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0i strongly doubt about your knowledge in general, since all you have there is a primary community school.
on the other hand, all the serious history books about argentina must be read, of course, in spanish.
and as we already know, you are another (and counting) monoglot.
Honto ni ? Nihongo wakaru ka? Paul you don't have a clue, and let's face it, most Nazis never get one.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@46
Dec 12th, 2014 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hans...we know each other quite well......I have already noticed that you avoided any answer, and comments, about things you can do in Argentina but I would not be legally allowed to do in FI.
In addition, in the case of the islander “no allowed things” are related to things FI cannot do as a political entity, have representative or a flag recognized, while the argentine “no allowed things” are related to people themselves..no allowed to but a property or to inherit another...
The rights you granted to argentine people, due to your legislation and due to the oreders ot the UK, made you be close to the situation of palestinian in Israel or to jewist in Germany back to 1934....
Look bottom line, it was time to put one's foot down on all these foreigners roaming around.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0What can I say, the horse face English are obsessed with the beauty of Argentina.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The last forests disappeared from the UK somewhere in the late 12th century, according to various reports, and ever since then the island has not seen dense tree cover.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 05:10 am - Link - Report abuse 064 Giorgio C. Tsoukalos
Dec 12th, 2014 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Córdoba has the highest level of deforestation in Argentina. All that remains is five percent of the 12 million hectares of native forest that the province had at the start of the 20th century
http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/12/going-semi-arid-arid-central-argentina/
@56 Hi! Yes I am home for Christmas and the New Year hosting a house full as usual. I did most of my shopping in NYC on the way home to lighten the load. Glad to know you are settled. Travel is exciting and exhausting in equal measures.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0TTT's decline is as rapid as Argentina's. His world shifted when he realised his nationalist inculcation that Argentina is the greatest country, everyone wants to live there and God loves them best, is in fact a big lie. Now he is full of self-loathing and he chooses to find relief in hating the British. It is a bit like self-harming as he never wins a debate.
The biggest decline has been Think. He always acted with superiority but the revelation that he is an expert in sniffing crotches and playing with his own shit made him forever irrelevant.
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/12/04/cristina-s-immunity-when-she-steps-down-becomes-a-political-topic
@61
Dec 12th, 2014 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh my friend, like others of your compatriots you seem to be losing the plot. There is no legislation, in either the UK or the Falkland Islands, that treats Argentines any different from anybody else.
It is true, on the other hand, that some islanders aren't terribly happy with certain of their would be conquistadors breaching hospitality, good manners, and civilised behaviour by desecrating war memorials and waving the symbols of oppression around under the guise of commemorating earlier victims of the Malvinas neurosis. But the response has been no more than a petition, no stones, rocks, pick axe handles or howling mobs got up with the collusion of the authorities, if not by them directly.
paulcedron is a true Nazi, long live Britain and the Falklands! We will keep all the Fascists from taking the falklands. paulcedron should be in jail.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30. No doubt you are trying to make a point, supported by carefully selected examples, that all these are things that argies cannot do in the Falkland Islands. There's a few points that you appear to have overlooked. First, there is the fact that the UK offered to take the matter of sovereignty to the ICJ THREE times between 1947 and 1955. On each occasion, argieland declined. In 1964 and 1968, an argie light aircraft flew in to the Islands piloted by Miguel Fitzgerald without any restrictions trying to take advantage of the Islanders' friendliness. Between the two visits was the more serious visit of the hijacked DC-4 in 1966. Then there was the covert special forces landing later that year. One wonders how many more there were. Then the covert insertion of a naval base on Southern Thule in 1976. And, of course, we mustn't forget your invasion, occupation, war crimes and defeat in 1982. Thus clearly demonstrating, over a period of 20 years, your dishonesty and untrustworthiness. No proper government would fail to guard against any possible repeats. As an example, one can conceive of an argie military transport, tricked out to look like a civilian airliner, but carrying 240 armed troops. Or argies buying land and then bringing in troops disguised as farm workers, or scrap metal merchants. And so precautions have to be taken. Moreover, despite having been beaten, you argies persist in your ridiculous claims. Perhaps, when you've given up those claims and the equally unsuccessful attempts to damage the Islands' economy, AND your attitudes and actions have been monitored for around a hundred years, you might see some relaxation.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@32. Should we trot round your towns and see what's available? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sex_tourism#South_America Should we go on and investigate the domestic situation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sex_tourism#South_America
Argentina grows increasingly paranoid.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another symptom of the greater malaise infecting the State apparatus.
I'm quite amused really.
Where will it all end?
Paranoia? Nah. Wisdom.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I told you all years ago this was coming. My generation detests foreigners. This is just the beginning!
@71 How would you know what 'your' generation thinks? You are a social outcast and have no contact with normal people of your age. You may fester in hatred of anyone and everyone you think has rejected you but I know plenty of young Argentines that love mixing with foreigners.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you see your life developing, TTT? All that venom you carry around must be weighing you down.
#71
Dec 12th, 2014 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you detest foreigners then why are you sucking up to Brazil, China, Russia and the whole world ?
Wisdom? The only wisdom you have is your teeth.
Oh shit !!! I KNEW there was bound to be something to cause offence .....
Dec 12th, 2014 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From Wiki .....
ARA Isla de los Estados was an Argentine naval supply ship sunk during the Falklands War.
now watching the look of these 3 twats from rear gear, you have to conclude that:
Dec 12th, 2014 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they are subnormals.
they have serious genetic problems.
their lack of bon goût is astonishing.
not a surprise they are like idols for these bunch of english wannabes.
@75 LOL! Serious genetic problems? I'll raise you a Tevez.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now Argentina is afraid of a BBC Natural History film crew?
Dec 12th, 2014 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol!
One is most amused...
Genetic problems?
Maradona is no beauty, and quite representative of Argentina as a whole.. Drug-addict, cheat, an indebted liar, corrupt, unfit, out-dated, living in the past, believes in myths, soon to die of a cardiac arrest...
On another note, does anyone know why paul-carrion believes that anyone who speaks English, is an 'english wannabe' ? Or lives in the Falkland Islands?
Is he quite mad?
@77 He thinks I live in the Falkland Islands from time to time. I think it has to do with the amount of alcohol in his bloodstream.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 077 ilsen
Dec 12th, 2014 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wannabe Englishman,
does that include paulie, when he types in English,
or does that make him a thinks engrish pupil..lol
@78
Dec 12th, 2014 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0too true. The goverment induced propaganda/paranoia has obviously infected both of his braincells. Fortunately he has yet to employ them in tandem, for fear of confusing himself...
@79
I think your arguement is too complex for paulie to comprehend. Good point tho.
so we have a bunch of english wannabe hypocrites here.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0first, maradona and tevez are the typical amerindians you love and want to give the country back, which is funny cause all the amerindians here consider themselves as argentinians.
now, you start ranting against them.
bunch of racist you lot.
second, a bunch of english wannabes talking about the amount of alcohol is the most cynical thing ever, lol.
they are known worldwide for being ugly, not too clean, not too bright AND drunk.
those are your titles.
you lot earned them with the sweat of your brow
@67
Dec 13th, 2014 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There is no legislation, in either the UK or the Falkland Islands, that treats Argentines any different from anybody else.”
But you ARE wrong, and I know this for a fact.
The maggot as we know has a worms eye view of facts
Dec 13th, 2014 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look you piece of sea lettuce, I know for a fact that while entering England ALL the argentines on a multi-national tour group were DETAINED at passport control for well over 10 minutes, while all other nationalities breezed by with no issues. This is no made up story, this really happened to people that I know very very well.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get lost.
@84 Well over ten minutes. LOL!
Dec 13th, 2014 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@84
Dec 13th, 2014 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gasp! Ten whole minutes!! At passport control !!! Who but Argentines has ever suffered such appalling indignity!!!! Shock, horror, poor poor Argentina, etc, etc, etc.
Toby, you really need do need to try travelling abroad, even if it's only just once in your life.
#84
Dec 13th, 2014 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you are saying IS that there is UK legislation discriminating solely against Argentinian tourists. Please point out where in UK law that this is the case.
It was more likely that the immigration officers thought that they were posing as tourists but intended to do a runner once they were through, to join the ranks of illegal immigrants.
You should try American immigration controls. It took 1:30 minutes to clear immigration at L.A. Airport including eye scans, fingerprints and questioning before we got through to join our flight to Fiji and we did not even leave the transit lounge !
As someone who has no experience of international travel...or anything outside his narrow life experience.....it's just a hear-say story inadmissible as evidence.
@87
Dec 13th, 2014 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's not forget either that according to the Sage of Mendoza, Argentina is the UK's implacably opposed enemy.
And not only that, but, it's an enemy with a long tradition of political violence, with a recent record of unprovoked warfare against the UK, probably the majority of its citizens are indoctrinated adherents of a millenarian faith-based cult impervious to reason, and it's led by a collapsing kleptocracy which has no compunction in manipulating its cultists to suit its own ends.
Let's see that passport again, chummy.
@85, 86
Dec 13th, 2014 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I for one I am not surprised one bit that these two decide that spirit of the action is somehow nullified by the fact the “time delay” is somehow not egregious enough. I guess if they had killed 500.000 Jews then it would have been no genocide either, according to their thinking.
@7
It was obvious what the British authorities did.
Argentines being more of a threat to stay as illegals than Colombians, Brazilians, Chileans, and Mexicans? (which again, were stamped and processed within 2 minutes each). I'll believe that poor excuse of yours when the statistics back it up.
There was clear racist, discriminatory behavior at work, and the people were humiliated. They were given no reason for the delay.
Today it doesn't matter anyway since UK-Argentine relations at all levels are thankfully either destroyed, non-existent, or one of animus and antipathy.
@89
Dec 13th, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentines having to wait 10 minutes is equivalent to killing 500,000 Jews? That's a new height in narcissism even for you.
Clever of you all the same to have unearthed the existence of the secret Argentina (10 minutes) bill, which mandates that all Argentines (but nobody else) are to be jerked around for at least 10 minutes prior to being granted entry. It's a secret, and you're not supposed to know about it. Was that Assange or Snowden that tipped you off?
I hope you've yet to learn of the secret Argentina (Plates of Meat) bill, which mandates mandatory measurement of the feet of Argentines (but only Argentines) for the purposes of troll identification.
TTT, 10 minutes at immigration is not a delay - that was the point. If you travelled at all you would know that fact. Your whining 'friends' sound like they were acting the victim with you as a willing audience. They were not delayed at all. It takes longer than that every time I go through U.S. immigration at least 8 times each year and I have a visa waiver and am TSA pre-approved. I have never been delayed at the U.K. border because I have an E-passport and it uses face recognition.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Face it Chopper, no country should ever grant access to a stone cold would be psycho killer like yourself. Quit complaining. ;)
Dec 13th, 2014 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 082—
Dec 13th, 2014 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you ARE wrong, and I know this for a fact.
[prove it then ]
I know for a fact that while entering England ALL the argentines on a multi-national tour group were DETAINED at passport control for well over 10 minutes,
[ details please ]
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82—
Dec 13th, 2014 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0still waiting tobi.................. tobi!! TOBI!!!!
are you there?
@94
Dec 13th, 2014 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's been held up at the airport.
Look kiddy, what you are saying is utter baloney. I have worked beside UK Immigration and there is no such law to hold up Argentine citizens.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There was probably some query on one of the passports which would have to be computer checked against a data base. As they were a group, they would be held aside until the query was resolved. Loads of people including Americans, Australians, Canadians can be made to wait if there is something that needs to be verified.
With your usual paranoia you attribute this to something sinister.
If you had any experience of international travel, you would think that 10 minutes was the express queue !
Anyway, you can always complain to Madam Castro. She would take this as a personal affront to her nation and no doubt refer it to the UN.
As the Falklands broke away from Africa rather than from South America, there are unlikely to be corresponding fossils in the Falklands linked to those found in Argentina. However, if there are any such finds, the BBC will be made to issue this in the credits (in return for safe passage past the 20 year old Falklands veterans) sparking another protest at the UN where the fossils will back up Argentina's claim and CFK will award posthumous medals to the prehistoric creatures.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@89
Dec 14th, 2014 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 010 minutes at immigration - wow!!! you really haven't travelled have you??
By the way Giorgio are you any relation to the Swiss/Greek Giorgio Tsoukalos who is always going on about Alien visitors to Earth - mate of Erich von Daniken I believe, or did you just rip his name off.
@89
Dec 14th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bingo. Chopper's been known to go on about the Annunaki in the past. Looks like he's fixated on a theme. ;)
TTT is a conspiracy theory enthusiast. Given his life it is no wonder he needs to escape in a fantasy.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am still awaiting his much promised 'operation' after the last failed one. As he explained it to me…..
“I only participated as an attache to that failed operation. I had no control over the fact that others decided to utilize the gathered information for individual gain.
This project is 100% under my control, believe me, it will take place. And actually will shock YOU most of all! So fitting that you would comment first.
My long term planning is beyond your comprehension.”
Still waiting, TTT.
Wow Elaine. Just wow....
Dec 14th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT : If you Google “ Detienen argentinos en el aeropuerto de Londres ” or “ Argentinos detenidos Londres ” there is absolutely no mention of Argentine citizens being detained or delayed at the airport , apart from one :
Dec 15th, 2014 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://blogs.lanacion.com.ar/cronicas-del-crimen/curiosidades/un-musico-argentino-detenido-en-el-aeropuerto-de-londres-por-llevar-una-guitarra/
Immigration established that , as he was arriving to record music for which he was being paid , he had lied on his application when he stated he was a tourist .
Anyway , if it had happened , I am sure that that Lioness of Justice , Beacon of Equality , Mother of all Fairness and the Malvinista Cause , Mrs Alicia Castro , would have personally intervened with the Pope and the Queen and obtained public apologies and compensation all round .
After all , she is an experienced , respected and powerful diplomat .
102. He probably didn't read English and didn't understand the form.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They're not a bright people.
102
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now, it is funny that the british police, customs authorities, or whoever they are, are very efficient to arrest an argentinian because he was transporting a guitar, but they are totally useless to impede the exit of thousands of british criminal, spreaded in the whole continent.
UK's most-wanted criminals hiding in Spain named
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24939356
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24939356
the uk is a factory of criminals, not a surprise when you consider that it is the most violent country of the world, even worse than the u.s. and south africa
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24939356
#104
Dec 16th, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He was Argentinian, what else do you need to know ?
Two articles from the “ Daily Rail” one in 2009 and 2013. Anything more recent ?
Have you ever been to S.Africa and driven through a township and seen the casual violence ? I have. Virtually none of it gets reported. The police come, kick the crap out of whoever they find and then shove off again. No local would complain so it is unrecorded.
The firm from whom I hired my car told me in no uncertain terms NOT to drive through the Transkei. At best, the car would be stolen, at worst we would stand a chance of being murdered for a few Rands.
We were told to drive the Garden route to Knysna, come back to Capetown, fly to Durban and then pick up another hired car to continue to KwaZulu Nataal and then Jo'burg airport. We were also told not to stop for anything. If we saw an accident to continue a safe distance and then phone the police. This advice was given by black South Africans as well as white.
Britain is worse than this, absolute rubbish.
paulie-carrion likes to talk about some s0-called 'war-debt' owed to Argentina by the UK Gov.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets try 'Wiki'
british ww II debt to argentina
result:
The page “British ww II debt to argentina” does not exist.
so let's try Google?.
British ww II debt to argentina?
nope, nothing.
Let's try;
UK outstanding debt to Argentina
OR
British ww II debt to argentina
what do we get?
Stand with Argentina against the - Jubilee Debt Campaign
jubileedebt.org.uk/.../support-argentinas-fight-against-vulture-fundsCachedSimilar
What's more, Argentina has been told it is ILLEGAL to pay its other debts unless it
UK High Court court wades into Argentina's debt crisis - FT.com
www.ft.com/cms/s/.../53782c34-64d9-11e4-bb43-00144feabdc0.htmlCached
6 Nov 2014 ... A UK court has waded into Argentina's debt crisis, giving hope to investors
seeking to recover millions of euros in interest payments frozen by ...
Argentina's default on its sovereign debt - LexisNexis Blogs
blogs.lexisnexis.co.uk/.../argentinas-default-on-its-sovereign-debt/Cached
19 Aug 2014 ... Argentina managed to restructure most of its debt in 2005 and 2010, by offering ...
courts of France, Germany, Belgium and the UK, but with limited success. ... of
credit default swaps outstanding on Argentine Government debt.
Argentina agrees deal to pay back $10bn debt - Telegraph
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../Argentina-agrees-deal-to-pay-back-10bn-debt.html
29 May 2014 ... Argentina has agreed a deal to clear nearly $10bn in debt arrears from The Paris
Club, a group of official creditors that includes the UK. ... Referring to the
outstanding debt default dispute before a US court, he commented that ...
Sovereign default - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_defaultCachedSimilar
This is not “default” in the usual sense because the debt is honored, albeit with ....
which end in a partial debt cancellation (London Agreement on German External
Debts ... In the case of the Argentine economic crisis (
You people can yap all day and night, and do it all over again the next day.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bottom line is: there was a tour group on a bus that wanted to cross the channel, and there were at least 6 different nationalities on board. 5 of the nationalities got a perfunctory stamp on the passport, 1 nationality was told they had to wait for further instructions. They were told the same thing even though there were several booths open.
That's all the damning evidence one needs.
@107
Dec 18th, 2014 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0It may be all the evidence you need, but out here in the real world it's an anecdote which may or may not ave some truth in it, and which may or may not have numerous other explanations than poor, poor Argentina. It's also a long way removed from your original contention that the UK has legislation specifically aimed against poor, poor Argentinians.
You people can yap all day and night, and do it all over again the next day.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0As do you !
You said:-
“There is no legislation, in either the UK or the Falkland Islands, that treats Argentines any different from anybody else.”
But you ARE wrong, and I know this for a fact.
OK you obviously have researched the statutes relating to immigration into the UK, please direct us to the specific one dealing with ARGENTINIAN visitors.
If you cannot then you will have proved yourself a liar....surprise, surprise !
Uhmmm... most US and UK laws are SECRET so that the population cannot find out. It is how these “democracies” can act like dictatorships and eat their pie too. How many times have these countries invoked obscure laws to defend actions? In fact in the USA it is customary to bury dozens and dozens of laws inside controversial legislations as what they call “pork barrel” (code word for BRIBES and CORRUPTION), which are not even read and then become law.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0110
Dec 18th, 2014 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOOOOOOOOOL. You're becoming a parody of yourself. How did you get hold of these SECRET laws? Assange or Snowden?
#110
Dec 18th, 2014 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of garbage ! I worked in the UK Customs and Excise for 40 years and there were NO secret laws that we used or carried out. Any business or member of the Public could ask me to quote the law or statute that allowed me to question, examine, seize, caution detain or arrest any person.
I held a commission which listed my powers under various Acts of Parliament.
You quote “obscure laws”...your command of English is failing once more.
Obscure and secret have different meanings...look them up and learn !!!!!
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