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Report on CIA torture practices triggers political recriminations and security debate

Thursday, December 11th 2014 - 11:47 UTC
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The brutal details of the CIA’s secret interrogation methods described in a newly-issued report by a US Senate committee on Tuesday, triggered Republican lawmakers and CIA reaction against the document’s findings, insisting that the detention and rendition program produced clear results that helped to thwart attacks on US citizens and assets. Read full article


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  • ChrisR

    The Americans have mishandled the ragheads from day one.

    Why do they want prisoners out of their own country? They will lie their heads off whatever the methods used. Just shoot them in theatre: end of.

    As for GWya: he is nothing but a full blown, bible thumping idiot. ‘Tar the legacy’, he needs tarring and feathering to give him some personality.

    Raygun Ronnie Reagan had similar problems but he had an excuse, the poor bastard had onset Alzheimer’s.

    Dec 11th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    How do you rule the world and do the things that are necessary when you are a democratic Republic?

    The american politicians don't seem to get it. The US seems to be falling into the same road of pandering and cowering to the Muslim demands. You cant be Mr. Nice guy congressman in Washington expecting the war to fight itself.

    Dec 11th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Moral of story: Don't take prisoners, shoot em dead.
    The police seem to be doing a better job of that on their own citizens than the military with Muslims.

    Dec 11th, 2014 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    What they did was wrong, period.
    Certain things should not be tolerated at all. Torture as a common practice is one of them.

    Dec 11th, 2014 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    I don't understand. It's a war. Let's take WW2 as an example. You're an American, British or Canadian soldier. You're faced with a wave of armed nazi soldiers aiming to kill youj and your comrades. Even your allies. What do you do? You open fire, use your bayonet, stamp them down, kill them! ALL scum deserve to die. Arabs, iranians, syrians, argies. Watch them. Waving fists in the air, chanting, screaming, mindless. Hysterical imbeciles.

    How much better it might have been had the U.S. strapped them down, face up, assembled the other detainees to watch and then dropped a 200 lb weight on the bridges of their noses. After watching their friends' skulls explode, they might re-formulate their views. Always good to watch your 'friend's' gore and grey matter spurt out of his ears, eyes, nose and mouth. And dump what's left in a sewer. It would probably be best to dismember before the shit goes into the sewer.

    Dec 11th, 2014 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 5

    You fail to distinguish between an act of war and the use of violence to obtain information, against the most basic concept of due process.

    But, please, go ahead and keep drawing with your crayons, and let adults deal with topics like this.

    * Who´s a tough guy? who´s a tough guy? you are !!! *

    Dec 11th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bisley

    The report is mostly lies and political propaganda, and in the final analysis none of it matters anyway. War is not a game, there are no rules other than to win. If you have prisoners, who you know have valuable information, you use any means available to extract that information.

    I don't think the things mentioned would really be classified as torture, but if it requires torture to get the information you need, then you torture. This is the policy everywhere, but no government publicly admits it, and most in government would rather not hear about it, or have to deal with it.

    Dec 11th, 2014 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    7. Spot on.
    I don't think most American care what it takes to keep the homeland safe. If i had my druthers I'd turn the whole mid east into glass.
    I don't know why we are so tolerant of these crazies.

    Dec 11th, 2014 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    I'm not sure who is fooling who here. I am fascinated at the relationship between the CIA and the US government. How can the government try and distance itself from its own intelligence agency with any credibility at all. Of course they knew these prisoners were being tortured as did most Americans.

    The reality is, who cares? If 50 of those scum were tortured in order that one innocent life was spared then it was worth it.

    Obama saying that 'this is not who we are', bullshit! Of course it's who you are , it was who you are then and who you are now. You don't distance yourself from the people who needed to do the necessary dirty work because the cat is out of the bag.

    Dec 11th, 2014 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 7 and @ 8

    Would you stand by those words even if it was yo who may be subject to those `things mentioned´?.

    Careful there, folks.

    Even in war there are rules. There´s a limit you do not want to cross not even if that means a safe homeland, if such thing exists.

    As Ben Franklin said, “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one”.

    Dec 12th, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Funny the way certain people think : while they believe it's OK for filthy ragheads to kill innocent people and have no problem whatsoever with the televising of barbaric executions of other innocent citizens, such as journalists, just doing their jobs, these same human rights advocates are quick to condemn the torture of these ragheads, to obtain info which could save lives.
    Typical of people who have never been exposed to a life-threating situation, at the hands of some fanatic. I have a suggestion for these “perfect” people : ask the US to release one of the Gitmo detainees or raghead prisoners into your custody, to share your home and family life...if you are not prepared to do that, then just shut the f*ck up !

    Dec 12th, 2014 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Unfortunately most governments are guilty of such practices, if not now, they have been in the past.
    If you believe otherwise, you are either naive , or willingly denying acceptance of the truth.
    Honour and decency and the first casualties of war, truth is the second. There is no 'silver medal', no joy in coming second.
    War is ugly. Such is the nature of the game.
    I wish there was a better way, but how does one deal with suicidal psychopaths? a polite chat? tea and biscuits?
    I don't like it, but I accept certain realities maybe necessary...
    These fanatics loathe the concept of democracy, especially the seperation of religion and state. For them religion is the State, and the only state to be.
    They believe that all 'non-believers' should convert or die.
    You can't reason with these people, therefore one must fight fire with fire, no matter how unpalatable this maybe to your average cosseted armchair expert.
    Anyway, they love a bit of martyrdom and suffering.
    It would be impolite not to indulge them, surely?

    Dec 12th, 2014 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Seba......don't feel alone as the world continue's to butcher that historical phrase and not understand the context of with it was written:

    “Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

    Essential and purchase are the operative words here. Most of the entire letter (assoicated with Ben) is about money, taxation and finances the the governor kept vetoing. The assembley was taxing the wealthy lands, Penn (the governor included) to raise funds to protect some of the new frontier outposts during the French and Indian war. Gov Penn kept vetoing as it affected HIM. This was a power struggle between the legislative body of government and the executive.

    And while some will have you believe it is something other, it is not, just the executive branch trying to reach beyond it's authority. If you believe this is what is meant, then answer me these questions:

    1-define temporary security based on radical extremists, you think this is a short term war on terrorism?

    2-What “essential” liberty are you losing? the freedom to protest? To tell the government to go “fuck off”? The freedom to vote? The freedom to practice your faith in the God of which you choose to believe in?

    Remember this about rules of war. They mean shit when you're humping ground with a 60 slung over your neck an a ton of shit on your backs for days on end, be it a dessert or a jungle. When those greens rounds start flying, react and survive is the only thing that matters. And when it's just want to reach out and disembowel that fucker who tried to kill you. Rules and ethics to war you say? Rules for there's an oxymoron if ever there is one. Killing is killing. Call it what you will always be killing. One needs to instill fear in the other side in order to be a more effective killer. I say turn the middle east in a glass bowl and expand the Mediterrarean sea.

    Dec 13th, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @13 Capotain,
    You couldn't have said it better. Make a quick link between the Mediterranean and Arabian Seas, and do away with the Suez canal...

    Dec 13th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Thank you Jack

    Seba I ommitted one important word.....temporary as in temporary security. It it too is neither temporary security.

    Realize that the liberty BF was referring to has nothing to do with todays liberty as ordinary people understand. More to do with the liberty of the legislative body to tax. Read more about that letter written as a “that body” long “believed” to be BK in 1755.

    jack as I am starting to see it, if the middle east cannot get their shit together, we should seek the advice from Argentina in dealing with the middle east in the manner that Argentina eradicated the black race from Argentina.

    Dec 13th, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    13. Bravo. I've long said turn the Mideast into glass and the world would be a better place.
    We need to dump our strategic oil reserves and drive them right out of business.

    I long thought, and maybe the next Prez will do it, link the Saudis to 9/11, nationalize all of their funds in the USA as retribution and cut them off from using the U$.
    That'll fix a lot of problems we're having.
    Wishin and a Hopin

    Dec 14th, 2014 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I think we are in the beginning phases of that cord being cut.......starting with the oil, then broader based economics. But it's a tight rope balancing act. We do wish to smile and shake hands as we sever their nuts.

    Dec 14th, 2014 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy


    Throw Russia in there with them

    Dec 14th, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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