MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina purchases four Russian multipurpose polar Supply-class tugs
Argentina's ministry of Defense has signed an agreement for the purchase of four Russian-built multipurpose polar tugs, class NEFTEGAZ, at a total cost of just over eight million dollars. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“The TWENTY year old vessels are also used by the Russians to supply their offshore rigs and oil industry. The Neftegaz class tugs can also be employed for salvage and pulling operations.”
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0.
So that will be useful for the Argentine Submarine Corps, oops, I meant the whole Navy....
Laughable effort of a broke nation. I expect Chile is looking forward to buying a new T23, or even a T45... or three... lol!
What's your problem now?
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Note to all Naval Signal Officers around the world: Time to update the ship silhouette handbook section on the Argentine Navy. The old silhouette signatures were rusty overturned hulls.
The new silhouette signatures are rusty overturned hulls being towed by a red and white Russian tug...
Another one with a problem.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nations that must find pride in military are pretty pathetic IMO.
@4
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't live next door to what we do...
ilsen
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's possible Argentina will now be able to supply their own Antarctic Bases in the future, the first time in years, at least on the summer.
A great step forward !
Now, just waiting for the navy yard to get Pablo CabanaBoy's “real icebreaker”, the Irizar, back into the water in a few years...
How's that coming along, Pablo ??
@4
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0no one cares for your 'IMO'. Get over it.
“at a total cost of just over eight million dollars.”
Has anyone informed Mr Singer? It's not much.... but, he ain't got a little, he's got a lot..
any songs come to mind?
how 'bout this?
“Cristina From The Block”
Children grow and women producing
Men go working (sometimes)
Some go stealing
Everyone's got to make a living....
Don't be fooled by the wrecks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Crissie, Crissie from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot...
Don't be fooled by the wrecks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Crissie from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/19-us-share-regions-will-no-longer-be-profitable-at-75-oil/article21678383/
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha! And this article is based on $77 oil, now it's at 57!!
What did I say two months ago the price was going to and what would that mean for US oil!
All those years of drilling and destroying farmland, to sell the product at a LOSS!
Not very smart those yanks. Besides the fact they will re-addict their economy and consumers to CHEAP OIL, which will yet again cross them up in 10 years when oil surges again at around 2025-2027!
Sods.
@8 tobi
Dec 13th, 2014 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0what has your post got to do with the actual article?
At least mine mentions the 'wrecks' you got. Yes, wrecks, not actual functioning ships.
jeez, crissie from the block sho got yo number, bro!
yo jus' another sucka...
Would you like to get back on topic and discuss the Irizar perhaps?
No?
Cost a lot. Used have a little, now you got...
oh, umm... ooops....
how's that working out for you big boy?
@7 ilsen
Dec 13th, 2014 - 05:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...just over $8m... ”
And after all that, the 4 new vessels will still not be able to sail in Antarctic waters in the winter!
Good 'friends' those Russians now - I am sure they' ll lay on those planes the Argies need, to take emergency supplies to Ice Station Argie, for the next few winters.
Maybe, perhaps, they have a “real” icebreaker for hire, for say.... a few million $$$ ??
I can't but help notice that Russia is getting cozy with Argieland.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Friend of my enemy is my enemy...?
Some 20 year old ice strengthened rig boats...... well done Russia.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another RG fail.......
I give it six months of operation under the argies before at least one of them sinks, catches fire, runs aground, rams an ice floe capable of damaging it, or some other, ludicrous 'accident' due to the INexpert handling by the argies.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anybody want to take a bet?
I am the first to admit I know very little as regards ships that ply the South Atlantic but isn't the bow a little low in the water for the huge swells in Antartica, every other wave you would be blind to what's in front. No doubt a mariner on here could shed some light on this.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to some scare-mongers, the purpose of these tugs is to harass the oil industry in the British South Atlantic.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3163138/posts
Now that would be silly
Nah, not with the FALKLAND based Nuclear penguins standing by.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many 100s of millions have been wasted on the dry docked icebreaker? Wow what a way to steal a fortune!
Dec 13th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In any other country this would be a huge corruption scandal.
Not here tho
@1. Just a slight correction for the article. They aren't twenty years old, they are THIRTY years old! Depending on which ones the Russians are selling, they were built between 1983-1987 in Poland.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7. Wonder if Mr Singer could get the U.S. Navy to rendezvous and seize these boats?
@15. So now argieland is planning to engage in piracy. Wonder how they'll stand up to RAF Typhoons launching Maverick or Brimstone missiles. Brimstone would probably be best. Three missiles per hardpoint. Typhoons have 13 hardpoints. I reckon a Typhoon could be on the scene in 10 minutes if it goes supersonic.
As you say, it would indeed be silly. I don't suppose RAF Mount Pleasant would launch more than 2 Typhoons with a mix of weapons. Brimstones and air-to-air.
@17. According to figures I've found, it has cost more than US$650 million so far. That doesn't include the cost of leasing Russian icebreakers and helicopters.
Time for protests at the UN about Argentina militarising the South Atlantic....Oh No we wont be doing that on account of the fact we are not pillocks.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The article states that “They are classified by Russia in the Ice L 1 category meaning they can sail on their own in the Arctic during summer months”. I think “Arctic during the summer months” is the imperative phrase. The Arctic is not the same as the Antarctic.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 20 darragh
Dec 13th, 2014 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good point but the argies don't know the difference, so that's alright then.
Glug, glug.
I hope the Russians remember to demand cash on delivery - real cash, not the Argentine pretend money.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20
Dec 13th, 2014 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hang on, so they can only supply polar bases during the summer months?
23 Hans
Dec 13th, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's what I read from it.
A “real icebreaker ” would be needed to penetrate the ice shelf, as Pablo CabanaBoy pointed out on another thread.
He was being dismissive of the icebreaker purchased by Chile.
Well, it seems that he thought the Irizar icebreaker beached in RGland was ready for imminent launch ha ha ha .... !!
Argentina has no “real” icebreaker either, it seems!
Well that's going to reduce the window of opportunity for shipping in pregnant women to give birth. Has nobody thought of that?
Dec 13th, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#4 certainly beats taking pride in having eradicated the black race in Argentina......or most of the indigenous people.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You never did answer what indian tribe you are.....guarani? If you are white.....you are Euro, no ifs ands or buts.
@#8 “All those years of drilling and destroying farmland, to sell the product at a LOSS!”
Dec 13th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the U.S. - unlike most third world countries like rotting roadkill - the conservation of surface resources is strictly controlled during drilling and production. Typical wellhead spacing would be 1 mile with many horizontal well bores often being produced from a single site. The residual area required for pumping or flowing could be as small as a single acre or less. Wells are now sometimes undetectable in urban environments. When formations are exhausted the wells are plugged with cement and cutoff below plow depth and capped with a steel plate. All this by law and the surface is then returned to like condition of the adjoining area. Each state has adminstered reclamation funds spent in the 1990's and 2000's to eradicate traces of wells from previous booms.
Once again you demonstrate the range of your ignorance (limitless).
Farm and ranch operations coexist seamlessly. And the owners of the surface rights usually own the mineral rights and receive at least 1/8 of the value of the petroleum products sold. Accordingly, the small inconveniences that the landowners endure in comparison to the wealth that they share with the oil/gas companies is of no consequence. In fact the wealth is so great that some western states have no income tax and little property tax or sales tax. When the market prices reach low enough levels the companies simply shut the wells in and wait for higher prices. Money in the bank. The non governmental entities having absorbed all the risks and much of the reward - unlike rotting roadkill which is eviscerated by such downturns.
GCT, you are so willfully uninformed. Typical rotting roadkillian.
And who will pay for this unwanted rubbish--the taxpayers again,
Dec 13th, 2014 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0will she try to use them as stealth ships to enter our ports...lolol
or so the rescue ships of the world can seen them, when they are sinking.
“Argentina purchases four Russian multipurpose polar Supply-class tugs”
Dec 13th, 2014 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hmmmm, don't you need money to buy stuff?
I hope that Russia gets used to... what is the word I am looking for? oh yeah, “Not being paid”
Breaking the Ice
Dec 13th, 2014 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why the United States Needs Nuclear-Powered Icebreakers
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/142516/milosz-reterski/breaking-the-ice
Read this, it shows the ice breakers of the world,
A bit out of date I think,
But interesting, for argies..
.
15 Hans
Dec 13th, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Intel says that you are right on the mark.
Russia is buying influence in the area and the sale is a bargan for Argentina/
CFK could care less about improving her navy's fleet. This is all about politics.
Argentina continues to disappoint me.
@31
Dec 13th, 2014 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to this, quoting Argentine MP Julio Cesar Martinez, these vessels are not capable of fulfilling the missions claimed for them.
http://www.defesanet.com.br/ar/noticia/16802/Silencio-do-Kirchnerismo-aumenta-misterio-dos-super-rebocadores/
They are not polar ice-breakers, they are too slow for rescue missions, they don't carry fire-fighting equipment, they are heavy on fuel, they are obsolete and dangerous. What they are good for, apparently, is positioning and towing oil rigs.
Erm..... what they *were* good for for *was* positioning and towing rigs.... that was before the russians had to decide.. 'scrap or sell?... scrap or sell? Oh look here come the RGs!'
Dec 14th, 2014 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Usually if a ship is 30 years old it's time to scrap it. Ah well par the course for the Argentinian Navy I guess. Cant wait for the picture of a 2nd hand Argentinian Tug towing another 2nd hand Argentinian tug back to port.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 04 Giorgio C. Tsoukalos - “Nations that must find pride in military are pretty pathetic IMO.”
Giorgio I do understand that since you've never had a military to feel proud of that you would have difficulty in comprehending such an emotion. I do pity you.
#8
Dec 14th, 2014 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0for you titti boi, tobi, ttt or giorgio what ever you want to be called. Your self embarrassment is a delight to watch as it manifests in your multiple screen names. I've never seen one hate themselves as mush as you do.
“In the three geologic formations that account for 88 percent of U.S. shale oil output -- North Dakota’s Bakken and the Eagle Ford and Permian in Texas -- explorers can drill new wells profitably in some areas even if crude falls to $25 a barrel, according to a team of analysts led by Manuj Nikhanj at ITG Investment Research Inc. That’s less than half yesterday’s $67.38 closing price for U.S. crude.”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topstocks/opec-shale-spat-wont-cut-us-output-as-profit-seen-at-dollar25-oil/ar-BBgkd4G
So as I asked before based on your hatred of the “anglo” white race, can must not be caucasian at all........thus you can only be indigenous.....or a remnant black or black indian mix. Is that why you hate the white man so much....for what the Conquistadors did to your people?
Guarani?
Huarpe?....like the NA Navajo
If you are neither.....you are white and decend from Europe whether you like it of not.
So quite old and possibly not suitable but cheap.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4
Dec 14th, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Nations that must find pride in military are pretty pathetic IMO”
So that's every country in the world except for Argentina then...
@35
Dec 14th, 2014 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Captain, he's said in the past his ancestors were from Piedmont. (Literally “Foot Mountain” in French.) Ironic, eh? ;)
Piedmont as in Italy? I recall he has some basic knowledge of wine. He is either ashamed of his Indian heritage or he is a descendant of Europe......which makes him a hypocrite......typical troll.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the one, origin of the royal family of the Kingdom of Italy.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The two above are what happens when you have fried neurons.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I AM NOT EUROPEAN, I would have committed suicide long ago if my genetics where that unfortunate.
I never said I was from Piedmont and so there is no irony of having larger feet than other families.
Let's get something straight. It's long been obvious that you post whatever you think is in your interest at the moment. Unitarianism = Xenophobia, Federalism =International Investment, you know, anything that comes off the top of your head, no matter how absurd it may appear to the educated. I really don't believe anything you say, you already proved your gift for Free Association, not to mention an in ingrained tendency toward Solipsism. Fact is, you are a joke of your own making. I think I'll just keep on enjoying the show. ;)
Dec 15th, 2014 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would think the RG's are in real need of multi-purpose craft that are regularly maintained and still seaworthy.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Probably cost them more $8m to refit their own junkers.
Sanctions made it difficult for Russia to properly service these vessels.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder how Argentina will manage?
So if you are noit European descent that leaves only an indian.....ashamed of your tribe Georgie Porgie??
Dec 15th, 2014 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless......you are the lost trible from Africa that Argentina genocidally removed long ago......which is why there are NO blacks in Argentina. Are you from the lost African tribe or an indian tobi? They are only 3 choices European descent, indigenous or African.
@41. Really? Giorgio is defined as an Italian name. Tsoukalos is defined as Greek. Giorgio A. Tsoukalos is an ancient astronauts theorist. And you're 'NOT EUROPEAN'. Doesn't that make you an alien piece of unwanted shit? Leave this world. Or just die. Please do that. DIE!
Dec 15th, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 Captain Poppy
Dec 15th, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A few years ago, Tobias (TTT, Giorgio or whatever he's calling himself now), claimed to be of native Amerindian heritage, hence his hatred of the Europeans (especially British) and north Americans (especially USA). I did point out that it was the Spanish that committed acts of genocide against his 'people', but he wouldn't hear a bad word said against them.
He then blew his claim of ethnicity out of the water only a few days later (because when you lie as often as he does it's difficult to keep them straight) when he was denouncing the native Amerindians who had the temerity to protest against his beloved governments treatment of them, such as murder. In fact, he made quite a few racist comments about them, but it was okay, because apparently the native Amerindians that are currently in Argentina (and those murdered in the war of the Desert) were NOT from Argentina, but from Chile.
Tobias, as you know, is also under the mistaken belief that criticising the government, or the country in ANY way is treason. He cannot understand (despite his self-proclaimed intellect) that in a democracy it is not only the right of the people to question and criticise the government and the country, but the DUTY of the people to do so.
No doubt he'll disappear soon, only to reappear as someone else. It's very telling about his own self-hatred that he tries to be ANYONE other than himself, hence the multiple 'personalities' that appear on this forum.
When I called him on it he went silent.
Make no mistake Tobias is of European stock. He hates Europeans because he hates himself.
He's quite a character for sure. I think I shall name him.....“stands with fist”......lol
Dec 15th, 2014 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is a pathological liar, and a racist in the first order. One only needs to see his rants and rambles about Anglos. With regards to “criticizing the government”, he nor the Argentine government do not have a clue about democracy. They are even clueless when it comes to the medias role in a democracy. We may hate them at times, but the media is an important and integral part of democracies.
I agree, he will fade away and return with some new and obvious screen name.
It is remarkable to see Argentina buying old Russian tugboats to harrrass future FI oil platforms. Putin gets to stir up problems in the Atlantic and Cristina more diversionary political b.s. “protecting” Argentina's homeland.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile, in today's La Tercera newspaper are two excellent articles (Spanish) about Chile increasing its financial support for increased investment in scientific research. Our navy is solely there for international cooperation.
There will be a very scathing JFS confidential future report about the current assessed condition of the Russian ships and Jane's will make it very clear what is going on in the ARA.
I wonder where the Sistahs are today? They never seem to be around when the there's nothing but bad news out of Arg.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YPF is down 22% yoy!
And its not done yet
The MERVAL is down YIKES based on today's fall they're 4 days away from negative territory too.
I wonder if it was Austral Evis saying that unions demanding a 50% wage increase next year would collapse the economy
or maybe
that Arg doesn't need any U$ next year...all is well
Watch out when they start saying stuff like that
it always means the opposite
I hope Putin is not holding his breath ,till he gets payed
Dec 15th, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ fiddy: That merval implosion is spectacular. We're gonna ride her into the ground!
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Ha!
Interest rates hiked to 17% today in Russia, panic over a plummeting rouble. Everything will be up for sale in Russia soon cos they can't sell any oil, may as well start flogging their ships. They may even try and sell Crimea back to Ukraine.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shooting that Malaysian jet down was a big mistake, their only friends in the world now are China and Argentina and what does that say about Argentina.
they say---
Dec 16th, 2014 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK is purchasing guns from Uganda to fit on the ice-breakers to make them fighting ships,
they say---
CFK is buying black sheeting from Somalia to make them stealthy in the dark,
so they say.....lol
The rouble is almost 70/1 today. If oil continues to go down there will be panic in Russia, they'll have to use their reserves to keep the civil unrest in check and their people fed.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It couldn't happen to a nicer person.
I can't wait to see all these Oil Potentates crash and burn.
It has been a long time coming.
It will be interesting to see how this affects China. They're teetering on the edge and when they go it will be spectacular.
Russia gets to cause a headache for the UK, disposes of nearly worthless vessels for nearly worthless promises from Cristina to pay.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is getting ready to cause a patriotic South Atlantic conflict as their economy tanks.
In the El Mercurio today, page 5 is an article about Cristina's presidential aircraft. None are in good operating order.
One junk multiplied by four equals four junks.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Good article on Russia's serious problems
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30491170
58. They have the same problem as any country that relies on 1 export. Its no different than Venezuela or Argentina to some extent Brazil.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This oil rout is going to shake out a lot of weak countries.
I am curious to watch what happens with China, i think it will also get sucked into the vortex.
I've been waiting for this for a long time.
The anticipation is excruciating.
Well
Dec 16th, 2014 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if it all goes bang,
we will see who was and who was not prepared..
after all, they all know it is coming.
@59
Dec 16th, 2014 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol, Argentina's main export? 'losing' 'whining' 'blaming UK for everything'?
I know that Giorgio C. Tsoukalos is of European descent.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@62 GCT is woefully ignorant irrespective of his geneology.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63
Dec 16th, 2014 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignorant yes, possibly some kind of 'idiot savant', and in general a mis-guided individual.
Shame, with the right help, he might even contribute to society....
This board is his only contact with others... ho, hum...
ElaineB used to try to help him, which I admire, but ultimately a waste of her time, it would seem.
64 ilsen
Dec 17th, 2014 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I admired her patience and understanding nature, but I think we ALL did him a disservice by letting him expound his views and indulging him in his rattling on.
Far better to have shut him out and have him review his behaviour - he might have become more pragmatic and learned how to modify his rhetoric so that he got along better with others or *gasp* listen to another point of view and if not agree, at least consider it.
At present, he makes sweeping pronouncements, based solely on what he can see from his basement window, or what slant the Peronist propaganda tells him to interpret from the Internet.
A big Troll Fail IMO
@56 here you go .. http://impresa.elmercurio.com/Pages/NewsDetail.aspx?dt=2014-12-16&dtB=16-12-2014%200:00:00&PaginaId=5&bodyid=1
Dec 17th, 2014 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0A nice bit of light relief and a good laugh.
@65 Troy
Dec 17th, 2014 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0to extrapolate..., as one does.. forgive me, but....
.
“the failing, slanted twilight fell through his dusty basement window, as the sun set on Mendoza. Tobi continued to type, but to no avail.”
......................................
You do evoke a perfect analology of his reality, maybe there is a novel in you yet... or is it just me?
*wink*
-ilsen
@66 Frank, you need to repost that link. We could all do with a good laugh.
http://argentina-airline-news.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/former-aerolineas-argentinas-737-500-lv.html
Dec 17th, 2014 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0and
http://argentina-airline-news.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/former-aerolineas-argentinas-737-500-lv.html
If that doesnt work just go to El Mercurio and work your way to page 5
It seems it is RG policy to replace totally fucked with only moderately stuffed... love the fact that the leasing company didn't want their plane back...
thanks Frank
Dec 17th, 2014 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 68 Frank
Dec 17th, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Aerolineas Argentinas will reportedly maintain the aircraft.”
I hope they have corned the world market for ‘Blu-tack’, they will need it when the airframe fails in flight.
Only ONE year younger than Tango 01!
These cretins really know how to waste money.
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