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BBC airs advance of Top Gear Patagonia program to be shown December 27/28
The controversial two-part episode of BBC's Top Gear filmed in Argentina will be shown on Saturday, December 27 and Sunday, December 28 on BBC Two at 8pm on both days. A few seconds advance of the show was aired this week in anticipation of the major launching. Read full article
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Dec 13th, 2014 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He might well be pissing himself laughing. I'm sure lots of people in lots of countries will be.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great promo. I'm sure that the BBC is looking forward to record ratings/viewership.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(1) Bostero
Dec 13th, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jeremy Clarkson & friends “eating beaver” in Patagonia.....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YyIv1MoxcRs
Chuckle chuckle....
Saludos campionales...
El Think
Another own goal scored by Argentina that will be shown around the world and repeated.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Top Gear: Patagonia Special - Trailer - BBC Two
Dec 13th, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sAse6psM0o
Its in the shops for £10.00 and is apparently selling out fast,
Dec 13th, 2014 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it could well be Argentina's best selling dvd, this Christmas...
Apparently this is what the license plate sequence means, I personally would never have seen any overt meaning to it, but then I'm not suffering from paranoia.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Well the numberplate is the old sequence :
H982 FKL
H is the old year code, H meaning the car was first registered in 1991
FKL - Is the area code, FKL is maidstone in Kent.
982 - Is the sequence, so this is the 982nd car to be registered in the maidstone area in 1991.”
http://www.reddit.com/r/TopGear/comments/2i5q86/h982_fkl_update_top_gear_crew_denied_permission/
“BBC airs advance of Top Gear Patagonia program to be shown December 27/28”
Dec 13th, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't wait, should be a good-un!!! setting the ol' sky box to record-and-e-mail to my entire contacts folder!!!
it seems all these bennys, hillbillies and stuff are very excited with that show rear gear.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not a surprise.
their poor brains cannot stand anything more elaborate, eh?
lol.... hillbillies.
All this fuss. Why can't Argentines try to be measured and calm instead of behaving like rabid dogs in every predicament that they find themselves in.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why can't they try to be a little British, keep calm and just send the most sophisticated warship on planet for a tour of the South Atlantic. Very dignified.
Well,
Dec 13th, 2014 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0being brought up on hatred , anti British ,
and brainwashing coffee breaks, is it a wonder they get so upset,
perhaps watching a few cartoons will calm them down.
I can just see the speech at the BAFTA's:-
Dec 13th, 2014 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We would like to thank Ambassador Castro for all the free advertising AND for hyping this program up for us. We would also like to thank those La Campora sub-humans for providing some of the excitement in this DVD”
Ahhhh, Argentina!
Dec 13th, 2014 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The gift that keeps on giving....
@1,4,10. Just “think”, Top Gear is broadcast in 170 countries. Just think consider how the populationsoa all those countries will react to pictures of argie animals responding to an inadvertent reminder of an argie invasion, occupation, starting a war, war crimes, losing said war and continuing to give cause for another war. No doubt there will be references to botox, bandy legs, putrid jelly, sinking warships, wings falling off aircraft, massive inflation, failing industry, kit cars and knuckles dragging on the ground. I think I'll record it for posterity. I may copy it and distribute it. Just to make sure everyone in my village sees it. Copies to the argie embassy?
Dec 13th, 2014 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is almost overkill. It's hard for rotting roadkill and the rotting roadkillians to appear any more ignorant that they already do but these episodes will probably do the trick. rotting roadkill is such a joke and a sad one at that. The world will be able witness firsthand the rampant stupidity.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clarkson and Co. will come off looking like lily white innocents. If indeed they sucked the rotting roadkillians into this - it wasn't very challenging. lol. Losers. BBC comes off a huge winner.
BBC, your Gringo Amigos salute you for your portayal of the childish rotting roadkillians.
Salute!
@10 Pablo Prostituto Pederast
Dec 14th, 2014 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0really, “ rear gear” ??
Is that the best you can do??
So witty!!
This show will go to air, and there is nothing you can do...
The “whole world” will see the other side of the Malvinas Mania.
Ha ha ha ha Pablo - how embarrassing for you.
Argentina- pay your debts!!!
Pablo... think, for a change !!
I think this pretty much confirms that the BBC is a state-run network, that tows to the government line which has been for 200 years to be enemies of Argentina. Not surprising then that the UK media, which is mostly not independent of the politicians, would tow the line and do stuff like this.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 016 Chronic
Dec 14th, 2014 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I saw the trailer for the upcoming show - it looks great!!
and 'Butch Clarkson & The Sundance Kids'looking at their pursuers through binoculars, “ who ARE those guys...??”
Can't wait - pure entertainment!!!
Oh no what will the bully boy argies do now?
Dec 14th, 2014 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0We're laughing at you. Hahahaha
@18 On the contrary, the BBC is know to be anti-establishment as a rule. They have pissed off the government countless times including during wartime. Don't confuse the BBC with your media.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did anyone see Educating Joey Essex in Patagonia? Forget that he is an eejit and look at the scenery; Chile looking spectacular. Great fun and a warm welcome from the Chileans. (Though they were flummoxed by Joey).
elaina
Dec 14th, 2014 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ the BBC is know to be anti-establishment as a rule.”
no.
the bbc is known for being a nest of perverts.
now, add these 3 pelotudos of top gear and you will have the most embarrassing broadcasting corporation in the world.
they should be banned of working outside the uk
22 Bottyboypaulie
Dec 14th, 2014 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the bbc is known for being a nest of perverts”
Yawn!!! Really???
We are talking about the BBC you know, not the Catholic church.
Poor Bottyboypaulie, he even confuses himself...........
Just to piss the Argies really off, if it was me broadcasting the show I would not bother to show the Argies having a hissy fit. Just think we have had all the publicity we need to make the show at Christmas the best ever. Just think of the egg on the faces of all trying to make a big deal out of this never mind the money lost. At the end of the broadcast I would have Jeremy Clarkson coming on and saying “ Thank you to the 20yr old Argentinians veterans for making this show very financialy beneficial and memorable” and then a closeup with him winking to camera. Just love it. A diplomatic spat for what a number plate.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@22 You have an unhealthy obsession with pervertedness, is it all you think about? You and Think make a grand pair.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@22
Dec 14th, 2014 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paul, the fact that you are in here sputtering about this tells me it's got you worried. Not the special on“ Jewish Masonic Banking Conspiracies” you were hoping for? ;)
#18
Dec 14th, 2014 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0More blatant rubbish from the know nothing from Dozyland. Your ignorance is appalling.
Looking forward to watching it on TV but it's just a program. Whilst it will be repeated for the next 10 years and available on the Internet forever, it is just a program.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@24 golfcronie
Dec 14th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I get your point but I think the danger would be that if no mention were made of it then KFC and the trolly-dolly would say “see, even the BBC is scared of us”
It is not exactly controversial, there are 7 billion people on this planet and probably less than a million that think it is controversial. If the Argentine government truly thought is was controversial they would have raised it at the UN.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is merely a huge embarrassment for Argentina.
#13
Dec 14th, 2014 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed we await yet another rambling, nonsensical and incoherent scribble from that 404 in charge at 65 Brook Street London W1K 4AH.
The TG team could read them out at the BAFTs. It makes one laugh and weep.
@10
Dec 14th, 2014 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“their poor brains cannot stand anything more elaborate, eh?”
For example the Argentine definition of elaborate culture exemplified by tyre burning?
They dont need to do anything just sit back and watch argentina look stupid.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sadly i cannot watch top gear on december 27/28 cause i will be surfing in la paloma.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but for you isleters, must be great news.
finally you will have something to do with your lives, at least during those 2 hours.
enjoy, losers.
lol
@34 You are a sad sack. A grubby sad sack.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34
Dec 14th, 2014 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never mind, paulie, I'm sure you'll hear all about it, and get plenty chances to catch up.
Myanmar Tourism Motors Ahead, Thanks to Top Gear
Dec 14th, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.wtmlondon.com/press/Myanmar-Tourism-motors-ahead-thanks-to-Top-Gear
I am hoping it will have the opposite effect on the Argies, once the world gets to see them act like savages :-)
“Surfing in La Poloma” indeed, or being thrown out of an aircraft into the sea as it used to be called.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Paul, reduced to having to pay for tugs off a Russian. Can you definitely afford to pay for your tug? Was there no-one you could attract to give you a tug for free?
I don't normally watch Top Gear, but am definitely looking forward to this one. The irony is that they will make the Argentine scenery look fantastic and would have ended with a funny car football scene that would have also made Argentina looked good, until the Malvinista tug merchants got involved.
Two things:
Dec 14th, 2014 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 01st the car in question is a Porsche 928, i.e. P928 why is Argentina offended by that combination of letters and numbers
2nd when this first blew up there was also the “complaint” that the numbers on the other two number plates refered to those killed during the armed conflict.
So how come the 2nd complaint has be quietly dropped?
Could it be that the numbers where nowhere near the casulty figures.
If so, cannot see how 982 is anywere close to 1982, if my maths is accurate they are rougly 1000 different.
@39 You can't bring logic into it.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what happens after the program is aired in the 29th ??
Dec 14th, 2014 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41 Knowing the BBC, endless repeats.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My bet is the Argentine government will further add to the hilarity by some form of histrionic posturing.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0paulcedron
Dec 14th, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You keep quoting the Guardian so this one's for you !
http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2012/oct/10/press-freedom-argentina
@34. Don't be concerned. You will be able to hear the laughter reverberating around the world. Surfing? You mean you'll be paddling your toes in the kiddies pool. But maybe you'll still be able to enjoy the pointing fingers when you get back to the job you don't have. 3,495 inhabitants and 4,633 dwellings. More genocide? Uruguay needs to exclude the animals from the other side of the border. Proper nations can and will assist.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But it's nice to hear that H982 FKL pricks something in argie pricks. Why couldn't we have managed H982 FLK? Get the idea? F-a-L-K-lands. GREAT Britain, well known for beating argie scum into the mud and burying the remnants, could surely do better. How many argies ran? How many argies surrendered? More than 11,000. In April 1982, Royal Marines had to be ordered to lay down their weapons. And even then they planned to keep such advanced technology from the argie children.
41 CabezaDura2
Dec 14th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And what happens after the program is aired in the 29th ??”
So much win!!
The sales from the DVD go through the roof, Messeurs Clarkson, Hammond and May will get a big fat bonus. Top Gear gets EVEN more popular and gets invited to film in more countries.
Oh, and THE WHOLE WORLD gets to see the REAL face of argentina. If there is any justice left in this world then all of those companies that are still in argentina will pull the plug. The South Atlantic will rise up and Chile will get itself a brand new coast line.
46.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the scenario @42 is more likely...
Are Argentine's so sensitive to waords of criticism that this actually makes news?
Dec 14th, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0really.....fucking really?
Defaults on borrowed money.
Corruption that runs out the ass like the trots.
Capital flight.
A collapsing economy.
BROKE...No money and only China is their savior to reserves.
And this is where Argentina chooses to make a stand?
The dead cow has decomposed and that fat lady sang a long time ago. Kirchner....in your 15 minutes of fame you've managed to embed yourself with infamy. For the sake of the people of Argentina.........take my straight razor and remember.......wrist to elbow. Move on your breathing cow.
@45
Dec 14th, 2014 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lucky for the Argentines that it was all over before deploying the Ghurkas, now that would have been a riot.
Whatever the argies think about the Top Gear “problems” it will be NOTHING compared to the problems that are coming to them in 2015!
Dec 14th, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet there will be nobody in TDC laughing at those.
#48 a good point but I THINK we all know that the there was never any chance of Argentina blocking the broadcast of TG, they may be able to block unfavourable stories in their own country by intimidating journalists and broadcasters but their influence doesn't reach a stones throw from their own borders.
Dec 14th, 2014 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the end both the Argentine violence against TG and the current media nonsense is an attempt to distract voters from the corruption and incompetence of the government and the dire straights of Argentine economy and society.
@34 Pablo Prostituto
Dec 14th, 2014 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“sadly i cannot watch top gear on december 27/28 cause i will be surfing in la paloma.
but for you isleters, must be great news.
finally you will have something to do with your lives, at least during those 2 hours.
enjoy, losers.
lol”
CabanaBoy,
You dare not watch !!
It WILL offend and embarrass you.
It WILL let you see how the rest of the world views Argentina.
It WILL challenge your belief system!
You're in DENIAL !!
Denial, last refuge of those who despair and can't face reality.
Ha ha, that's YOU !!
As for “surfing” - sure Buddy, you are “surfing” across the turdy waves of that polluted beach, because you can't afford anything g better, I'll be sipping wine in Cslifornia USA, enjoying a fabulous lunch in Napa, or maybe a nice seafood lunch at the 'Franciscan', overlooking San Francisco Bay.
Always sunny and beautiful at this time of the year!!
I'll be sure to watch Top Gear on the 27th, 28th, while we are in California, and recording it at home - for repeated hilarity!!
Any plans to leave The Dark Country, any time in the future ???
Have a lovely time at Christmas - is it going to be a bit quieter this year?
Looking forward to 2015??
Argentina, pay your debts !!
That won't go away... ;-)
The only surfing paulie will be doing,
Dec 14th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is surfing on this blog...lol
53 Briton
Dec 14th, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pablo CabanaBoy protests that he is not a Peronist or an Ultra-K, but honestly, who can see the difference??
He is overtly endorsing the actions of his government, and repeats their propaganda verbatim, as it's evident he believes it and wants to do so, as well.
True, thinking, Argentines tell us another story, quite a contrast to his.
Pablo is only fooling himself.
I wonder how he thinks he will benefit???
Argentina- pay your debts!!
Pablo - stop defending CFK !!
@34 Good for you pauly, saved 2-3 months wages (probably from begging) to go to the beach. I imagine it will be nice to get a away from your little tin house in your shit shanty town
Dec 14th, 2014 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For me?
Dec 15th, 2014 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0After the dog shite RG doing step-up's on a war memorial?
Argentina and the people of that leper colony, ? I wouldn't let them cut the toenails of my enemy.
(4)Gayina
Dec 15th, 2014 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Beaver?
M.F.
”Todo bicho que camina va a parar al asador?(every creature that walks goes to the grill)
RiBer for example :-)
Saludo and Feli NaBida
Brilliant, whether intentional or not its going to be a n amazing show, gotta love top gear :)
Dec 15th, 2014 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who actually cares what the Argentines think anyway...
44 brucey-babe
Dec 15th, 2014 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Global editors group raises alarm over Argentina press freedom threat”
of course.
That´s totally right.
Agree with you and with the guardian, like most of the population here.
toy tempestilent
“you are “surfing” across the turdy waves of that polluted beach, because you can't afford anything g better,”
you dont know where la paloma is, do you 1/2 wit?
LOL
your ignorance is astonishing, only surpassed by your pelotudez.
What really happened ?
Dec 15th, 2014 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://transmission.blogs.topgear.com/2014/10/10/top-gear-in-argentina-what-really-happened/
Get a grip Argentina !
Check out the utube link in post 6.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A thousand plus thumbs up (including mine) and only a hundred odd down.
You argie trolls are incompetent even at being trolls.
@49. Oh, the Gurkhas were deployed. The 1st Battalion 7th Duke of Edinburgh's Own Gurkha Rifles were deployed to Mount William. Unfortunately, the argies ran too fast.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@57. Ever read the bit about comments being in English, twanker? Typical argie. Rules don't apply. Why don't we have an option to kill such twankers?
@59. Do you understand that you're nearly dead? Just a few more minutes.
this twat @62 does not realize that bigmouths like him / her are the first to run away.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now it seems this twat is in love with the gurkhas...lol
this twat, like england, always need somebody else to defend them.
From the BBC blog Comments - Then average public have NO idea that the so-called “veterans” that attacked TG, were only 19-20 yo - not even born when the conflict took place
Dec 15th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(57) Marcos Alejandro...
Dec 15th, 2014 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jupppppp..... “eating beaver” has a couple of meanings in Engrish...
Like eating la empanada, la molleja, la almeja, la papa or la cotorra in Spanish...
Capisce?
;-)
(59) Paulcedron...
La Paloma?
Things are not sooooooo bad after all, huhhhhhhh?
thinko
Dec 15th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
not sooooo bad, but not thanks to the govt
How's the Australian paradise looking this morning, huh Skip / Anglotino?
Dec 15th, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 054 Troy Tempest
Dec 15th, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0these argies are almost certainly in the pay of their idol CFK.
and their leader on this blog orates for them...lol
@67
Dec 15th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's how decent people in the Australian paradise were looking this morning.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/martin-place-siege-illridewithyou-hashtag-goes-viral-20141215-127rm1.html
Let it be a lesson to you, you vile little tosser.
@67
Dec 15th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not bad at all considering your boyfriend is now dead. I look forward to reading about your demise as well, Chopper. ;)
@67 You really are scummy. The Iranian, given asylum in Australia, was a suspected accomplice in the murder of his wife, wrote sickening letters to the families of dead soldiers and was a sexual deviant. He was a social misfit. A lone wolf. A twisted radical, latching on to an ideal to suit his own bitter hatred of pretty much anyone or anything. He murdered again today and now, thankfully is dead.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One less bitter and twisted social outcast.
Cry me a river. How many days and nights did I have to hear him rip Argentina and Argentines about our problems, our disasters, and crime (i.e., deaths), what goes around comes around and I have done and will do the same with all your countries.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe some day you'll learn the lesson that demeaning Argentina isn't a one way street.
playing the victim again.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72
Dec 15th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This has nothing to do with Argentina and everything to do with the fact that people like you were what the Colt .45 - 1911 was made for. ;)
@72 It won't change Australia. It was a one off social misfit. Australia will never have the level of crime there is in Argentina. You are just jealous of the life they have, a life you can never have. Bitter, bitter, bitter.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If was not for the fact that Argentina is a member of D.I.C.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[ dictators imperialist club ]
the south Atlantic would not be militarised today..
guilty guilty guilty.
just a peacemakers ,,,opinion...lol
Say what you like, but you aren’t changing my mind on this and I’m backing Nostrils. The Muslim problem is only getting worse and worse while westerns keep the digging their heads in the sand and the cool aid running “ its just one radical fringe, a lone wolf, its a matter of time before they integrate with society” or whatever....Yet these countries are increasingly anti Israel and anti Semitic.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s their fault. The only country where Muslims are kept in line is within Dear old Israel itself.
And those who say shit of Israel can go and f.ck themselves, cowards.
@77
Dec 15th, 2014 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CD2, you've got enough of that going on up at Puerto Iguazu, don't you?
@77 TTT wasn't making a stand again muslim extremists he was making a sick dig at Anglotino. Are you backing him for that?
Dec 15th, 2014 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#I'llridewithyou
59 Pablo Peronist Prostituto
Dec 15th, 2014 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you dont know where la paloma is, do you 1/2 wit?
LOL
your ignorance is astonishing, only surpassed by your pelotudez”
Prostituto,
You got that right, sleaze bag - I don't know where Paloma is.
Who does ... ??!!
I laugh that you felt you had to make an excuse for not watching Top Gear ... AND you had to lie to make it sound good.
The last time you bragged about surfing, you were hyped about going to some dumpy beach in Argentina, as though it was something special and wonderful !
Other posters correctly pointed out that the water was polluted with human sewage!!
Your answer.. ha ha “ I wear a wetsuit”!!!
I think this time around, you invented a face-saving more trendy locale.
As someone just said, the only surfing you are doing on the weekend of the 27th, is on the Internet.
More importantly, you failed to address at all, the really scathing, more important comments I made about you
“Why do you DEFEND CFK?”
“What do you stand to BENEFIT from it??”
and let's not forget,
“ARGENTINA PAY YOUR DEBTS!!”
The Muslim problem is only getting worse and worse while westerns keep the digging their heads in the sand
Dec 15th, 2014 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0//////////////
Why don't you tell us your opinion how to solve the problem,
how to stop ISIS from slaughtering woman and children,
tell us what YOU would do,
after all it wont hurt..
80 imbecile toy tempestilent
Dec 15th, 2014 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You got that right, sleaze bag - I don't know where Paloma is.
Who does ... ??!!”
says the stupidest isleter on earth...LOL
and who the fuck knows “Paloma”, you asshole?
as for “LA Paloma”, nobody expects that you, big ball of fat, know a shite about surfing or about uruguay.
so, again, the best thing you can do when you know nothing is to shut your ass up.
Oh dear ,
Dec 15th, 2014 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0father Christmas will not be visiting you lot this Christmas,
still,
more goodies for the good guys,
crumbs for the elf's....lol
Paul, Going to Uruguay may be a big deal to an Rg but its nothing to people (US K EU) who can travel anywhere anytime anyplace they want to.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PDE is okay, in Jan, otherwise its a sh*thole with crappy stores, restaurants and nothing to do.
Jan it livens up but its not worth the U$ if you can go anywhere else in the world.
82 Pablo Peronist Prostituto
Dec 15th, 2014 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody in the REAL world equates Paloma or “La Paloma” with surfing - that's purely a local thing!!
Nobody in the REAL world brags about going to surf in Uruguay!!
Besides, that's just empty bragging on your part!!
The Gold Coast, Oahu North Shore, Huntington Beach ( watch out for rocks!) - ever been to those places???
Nope ?? Thought not!! LOL !!!
But THATS NOT THE ISSUE!!
You had to make up an excuse and be insulting at the same time - that's your MO when you can't argue or don't want to answer.
Top Gear will make Argentina look great, but your Government look like a bunch of liars and fools!!!
Nearly half a billion people will see it !!
LOL!!
Back to the questions you WON'T ANSWER,
“ WHY do you DEFEND CFK ?”
“ What do YOU get out of it??”
WHY do you LIE AND RUN AWAY??
Argentina- pay your debts!!!!
LOL !!!
toy
Dec 15th, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0boludo
even british expats, and we know that british are not very fond to surfing, know la paloma as a great surfing destination.
http://www.expatgloballiving.com/best-surfing-towns-in-uruguay/
now, it is funny that a greasy ball of fat like you, cast doubt something that any real surfer knows.
if you need more information, you fatty, read this:
http://www.expatgloballiving.com/best-surfing-towns-in-uruguay/
Paul, Key words are IN SOUTH AMERICA..and IN URUGUAY as* end of no where and THERE'S NOTHING TO DO IN PDE.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NOTHING
Get Drunk and watch Rgs make fools out of themselves.
That's it.
Anyone that can get a visa and has some U$ go other places to vacation.
86 Peronist Prostituto
Dec 15th, 2014 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SURFING is NOT the issue.
remember what YankeeBoy said @84,
”Paul, Going to Uruguay may be a big deal to an Rg but its nothing to people (US & EU) who can travel anywhere anytime anyplace they want to.”
I know you are trying desperately to save face - and yet, I have surfed places you only wish you could go to.
I know you are trying desperately to DIVERT, also!!
Just as I KNOW you will watch Top Gear on the 27th/ 28th, if only out of curiosity and so you can argue about it!!! Ha ha ha...
Here's a reminder of the awkward questions and topics you AVOID answering:
“ WHY do you DEFEND CFK ?”
“ What do YOU get out of it??”
WHY do you LIE AND RUN AWAY??
Argentina - Pay your debts!!
Whatsa matta, Prostituto??
Afraid you will look bad??
One simple question then,
Do you defend CFK because it is treason to criticise her, OR because you receive pay or other benefits???
Ha ha, liar... coward!!!
I notice Toby is back posting.....he really is sick.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Admitted that because he is unable to get a real girlfriend, he has sick fantasies about his COUSIN......urghhhh....!!!
Best ignored that one....wonder if this kind of inbreeding is one of the causes of the Argie-sickness.
Monkey where is his incest posts at?
Dec 15th, 2014 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 090 Capt'n Poppy
Dec 15th, 2014 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL!!!
Nevermind that incestuous fool.
Look at Pablo the Coward !!
He is too afraid to answer - he knows he WILL embarrass himself!
He says he's “ not a Peronist or an Ultra K”, but “something else” that we “can't understand”!!
Frankly, I can't see the difference - a paid government stooge is a paid government stooge.
Hey, Pablo ???
How much for your “virtue”???
I think you are missing the nationalist brainwashing.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 092 ElaineB
Dec 15th, 2014 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm leaving it up to him... He can plead a “poor education” if he wishes... ;-)
@91
Dec 15th, 2014 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's not lying, he's an old school Franco style “fascist.” Opus Dei and all that. Just ask him about ”Jewish masonic Banking Conspiracies. ;)
In certain countries of Latin America “la paloma” is the slang name of the male personal anatomy. I wonder in which country el mamarracho/paulcedron(also known as the grand NABO) seeks his pleasure?
Dec 15th, 2014 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 088
Dec 15th, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I know you are trying desperately to save face - and yet, I have surfed places you only wish you could go to”
says the kelper...LOL
you can't even bend over to tie your shoes, you greasy ball of fat.
how the fuck would you be able to keep balance with the 3 meter tall crest of a wave?
watching top gear (yuck) during a sunny day of december is for loser old farts like you, you ass.
so enjoy that 4th class show in your black and white tv set, L-O-S-E-R.
LOL
94 Imoyaro
Dec 15th, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, that's interesting.
Pablo - “Gestapo” or “Waffen SS”???
I'm not seeing much difference.
El mamarracho/NABO/PAUL CEDRON - Opus Dei, too?
Dec 15th, 2014 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt it -not even Opus Dei would open its arms to such a fool!
@96 You are sounding awfully like TTT.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What can his fetish with “greasy balls of Fat” be all about? He refers to this in No. 96 and then because my nick is “gordo” he somehow thinks that I am obese and uses the same term in referring to me.
Dec 15th, 2014 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does he have weight problem? Sorry idiot!
94 imoyaro
Dec 15th, 2014 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All I see is a different brand of Fascist - the same thing.
Pablo is very obviously, as ElaineB points out, a product of Nationalist Brainwashing.
He may be very worried about his future and the future of his country, and he may not like his government, but he just can't bring himself to admit they are wrong, and Argentina's ills are their own fault.
I bet he doesn't even know why he is so so angry at the British, BUT he has to blame someone, and take his anger out on someone - his Peronist government education tells him it's the British and the rest of the world that is maliciously set against Argentina.
He is probably incensed every time we remind him who is the real culprit - and lashes back. He is afraid to face it - he would have to take responsibility and actually DO something.
Pablo, you are a coward and you lie to yourself.
I pity you.
Yup, how humiliating, you are an object of pity.
BTW,
It's going to get worse.
Buenos Aires Herald 15/12/2014
Dec 15th, 2014 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/177233/‘argentina-has-great-windpower-potential’
As Argentina is a nation of farts - this statement is very accurate.
Unions are demanding a 50% raise next year!
Dec 15th, 2014 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even Austal Elvis, who is as dumb as they make them there, says it will ruin businesses.
Of course property taxes in most jurisdictions are going up 50%...
so...
Hmm
Yeah Troy it is going to get worse
Pablo CabanaBoy
Dec 15th, 2014 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARGENTINA- pay your debts!!!
@100 gordo1
Dec 15th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe paulcedron mentioned in an earlier thread that his wife/girlfriend has an unfortunate weight and facial hair problem.
Gordo and McCool
Dec 15th, 2014 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Er... I think he's run off again.
That's enough humiliation for him on this thread.
Please remind him in future, what we've talked about today... or umm, what he avoided talking about.
UK. - new Carriers and planes
USA - growing economy
Argentina - Default and massive Devaluation in 2015
Argentina, pay your debts
79. ElaineB
Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“#I'llridewithyou
Interesting, so you will follow like a sheep some lefty idiots and some celebreties in just padering to Muslims. Being condescending and patronizing. That is the reason why the US is having racial problems. You are just adding fuel to the fire. That is not helping solve the problems. And it will not only fail, it will only make matters worse. The ways of the cowards I guess. That is why you are doomed. You just don’t get it. And you never will. ”
81
Briton
“tell us what YOU would do,
after all it wont hurt..”
I should have to charge your government for that, but definitely taking a hard line ultimatum to the Muslims in western countries would be a start. “#I'llridewithyou “ Is definitely not the way to solve your problems
Remember all the idiots on this site hyping up the BRICs? I have to snicker now that they're all crashing like I said they would,
Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ruble is under 60/1
Bahahahaa
107. CD you are right, that kind of pandering will only make it worse with those people.
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Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0109 Pablo Prostituto
Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0C'mon Pablo - grow up!!
Argentina's problems are Argentina's own fault!!
Pablo,
WHY do you defend CFK's government???
Argentina- PAY YOUR DEBTS!!
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Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0108.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Churchill”
@107 CD2
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0That tweet '#I'll ride with you', is simply a spontaneous expression of compassion between two women. Nothing to do with ideology. And it will resonate long after people forget Man Haron Monis' name.
113
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0It became viral, so it is not a random conversation between two women. The ultimate message you are sending as a country and society, is pathetic, cowardly and condescending.
You need to ask some serious questions to these people at this hour, not hitch them a fucking ride FFS !!
@113 Exactly and completely went over the heads of some here.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@114
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just because it became viral doesn't make it's origin any less powerful or authentic. How people choose to interpret it is, of course, up to them. I simply saw it as someone clearly making a distinction between a scumbag loser, looking at significant jail time, and an ordinary woman in distress on a train.
116.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry but you are wrong, the user “Sir Tessa” or whatever first wrote that to the Muslim lady and then sent out the hashtag by itself that became viral.
You need to get real and revise your priorities as a country if you think that a Muslim woman feeling “distress” on a train is equitable to pandering to Muslims after this event today.
@117
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing in your post that is going to change my mind on this particular subject.
@117 Why are you so quick to link a self-styled, mentally unstable, criminal and sexual deviant with muslim extremists? He wasn't working for ISIS or any other religious extremist group outside of his own twisted mind. He was another social misfit who spouted anti-West diatribe whilst posing as a cleric in order to molest women.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0ISIS is another subject altogether.
As long as you live long enough to hear me say “ I told you so”
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not surprisingly, the NorthAmoan divas had to up-one the Ozzers:
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.yahoo.com/tv-station-5-dead-shootings-near-philadelphia-152031628.html
(actually, up four)
You know who are the sick people? ALL OF YOU.
Everytime you cheer for a debt verdict against Argentina, you are cheering for Argentine children, sick, and elderly possibly DYING. And you as adults KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE THINGS YOU ARE CHEERING FOR ON THE POPULATION.
Everytime you cheer for bad economic figure, you are cheering for Argentine children, sick, and elderly possibly DYING. And you as adults KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE THINGS YOU ARE CHEERING FOR ON THE POPULATION.
Everytime you cheer for a devaluation ,you are cheering for Argentine children, sick, and elderly possibly DYING. And you as adults KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE THINGS YOU ARE CHEERING FOR ON THE POPULATION.
Every time you cheer for forcing Argentina to change its trade laws at WTO, you are cheering for Argentine children, sick, and elderly possibly DYING. And you as adults KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE THINGS YOU ARE CHEERING FOR ON THE POPULATION.
You people are sick because you believe deaths caused by economic terrorism (which you all cheer), is OK. But not the terrorism that affects YOU (Islamic).
As I said, cry me a river.
@121 That is the problem with social misfits like you, TTT. 'You people'.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0119.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ Why are you so quick to link a self-styled, mentally unstable, criminal and sexual deviant with Muslim extremists? He wasn't working for ISIS or any other religious extremist group outside of his own twisted mind. He was another social misfit who spouted anti-West diatribe whilst posing as a cleric in order to molest women.”
“ISIS is another subject altogether.”
Wow, you are far more naive and idiotic I ever imagined!! You are putting so much effort in that post with the end of separating this incedent from Islamic terrorism and fundamentalism?? [and fail] Why?? Elaine you sound like a beaten housewife that keeps on making excuses and segmenting each time her husband beats her… “Ohh this time it was my fault because I put a lot of pressure on him”, “ I was really nasty to him I deserved it that time”, “the other time doesn’t count because he had forgotten to take his anger control pills” …. Jesus, fuck woman
You should change your user name to ElaineC [Elaine Chamberlain]
@123 That makes no sense whatsoever. Glad you could work out some of your anger though.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0121 Giorgio C. Tsoukalos
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0what a lot of bullshit
124.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0its plain pathetic and stupid, that you try and convert a clear case of Muslim fundamentalism as a just a of“ loner social misfit” crime.
That in-denial attitude is very reminiscent of beaten housewives... What is so hard of that to understand ??
“#I’llridewithyou”
I say
#goodluckwiththat”
109, 111 Pablo Prostituto
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear... that was a bit too intense wasn't it, Pablo??
Too bad you Fascists of different flavours are not able to get along, or do you??
As bad as you say CFK is, you cover up for her actions and deflect legitimate criticism.
Tell me, is Maduro ok, too ??
@126 No you are making the assumption that because a criminal calls himself a muslim cleric in order to commit crimes, he must be linked to ISIS. Think about the social misfit on this message board who spouts anti-west diatribe and claims to be part of a 'project' that will 'shock everyone'. If you try hard enough I am sure you can make a link there to ISIS.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you are projecting your victim mentality in that mis-placed analogy. I am not and never have been a victim.
@126
Dec 16th, 2014 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Monis had no support from Jihadi's...or anyone else. ElaineB is correct on this subject. He was just a sex offender with fundamentalist camouflage - he had no credibility in the Muslim community. His actions were simply those of a grandiose individual who was going to lose his freedom. Nothing uniquely Islamic about that.
I'm sure he convinced himself his actions would bring him support from the larger Muslim community. None was forthcoming.Not even from ISIS wannabe's. He was a loser and he died a loser's death.
@121
Dec 16th, 2014 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0WRONG Chopper, I am cheering for your head on a pike. ;)
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/Choptown_zps076607bb.jpg?t=1418708812
@126
Dec 16th, 2014 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sometimes it's so hard to choose between Muslim extremist Christianophobes and Christian extremist Islamophobes, but I guess we can console ourselves with the thought that you deserve each other.
One has to wonder if muslims are persecuted in Argentina. They have the largest muslim population in South America but there is an overwhelming anti-muslim sentiment expressed by Argentines on this board. (Admittedly not a balanced representation of Argentines).
Dec 16th, 2014 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@121
Dec 16th, 2014 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid boy!
When we cheer a bad economic figure we are cheering a day closer when Argentina may grow up....
When we cheer high inflation we are cheering a day closer when Argentina may see through the Peronist nightmare...
When we cheer a debt ruling against Argentina we are cheering a day closer when Argentina might elect a government that doesn't make policies that lead to the death of the very argentine children elderly and sick you pretend to care for.
The deaths of the children, the sick and the elderly ARE THE FAULT OF THE GOVERNMENT of Argentina.
The PERONIST evil (yes evil), that has ruined Argentina.
Sadly, there seems to be only one way for Argentina to stop voting for these criminals, and that is to hit the bottom....HARD. Even this is unlikely to work as you are PROOF that it would still be someone else's fault.
Toby, you are part of the problem...you blame others for your own failings.
Yes, the poor, the sick, the elderly and children are dying in Argentina. The solution is to rid Argentina of PERONISM for ever. To completely irradiate it, to make it as socially unacceptable as Nazism is Germany.
The solution is drop the ridiculous propaganda. To drop the lies about the Falklands, to admit the mistakes and move on.
Drop the arrogance, drop the lies, drop the corruption and you'd find much more help making Singer go away.
Drop the corruption, drop the broken contracts, drop the attitude and you'd find enormous investment into Argentinas shale prospects...sufficient to turn your economy round.
Instead of blaming us for hating your government, perhaps you should direct your hatred at the real cause of the deaths of the sick the poor and the elderly.
@132
Dec 16th, 2014 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course one shouldn't generalise, etc, etc, but you could argue that the whole history of the country illustrates a fundamental inability to peacefully accommodate different points of view.
@134 It is an interesting point. One would think Argentines to be relatively tolerant and inclusive given their progress with regards to gay-rights, equal rights for women and large Jewish and Muslim minorities but that does not reflect in the posting by the majority of Argentines here. Does the closed-minded prejudice lie in the nationalistic and xenophobic teaching of Peronist governments?
Dec 16th, 2014 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0How quickly they have forgotten the Conquistador's brutal methods in establishing their religion in South America. A religion so strongly inculcated in the Latin American population that there is little tolerance for other religions. (@131)
Religious extremism is the problem, not religion per se.
LOL you guys are just insane, he sends aggresive letters to the families of the fallen soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, he calls himself a “cleric” ( OMG does it matter if he is an official one or not??), he was and advocate anti intervention in Muslim countries and even during the siege he hands a black flag with a “There is no God but Allah, and Mohamed is his profet” and you are telling me this isn't islamic motivated ??
Dec 16th, 2014 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0You also had the attacks in Canada some months ago.. I guess that was just another loser, nothing to do with Islam. Funny how to see the flower picking lefty countries like Canada, Sweden and Australia taking a punch from the people they keep on pandering.
My God you guys are just so naive.
@136
Dec 16th, 2014 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're confusing as ever the intersection of the sets Muslims and Nutters with the union of the two.
Perhaps you'd care to explain the benefits of your proposal in @107 to take a hard line ultimatum against people who had nothing to do with it, apart of course from psychological satisfaction to those who enjoy that kind of thing?
Cracking down on Muslims in ones own country,
Dec 16th, 2014 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0seems fair, and perhaps should be done,
also immediate deportations would help,
US, UK Navies Sign Framework for Future Cooperation
RN sailors also train aboard USN aircraft carriers as the Royal Navy constructs aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth, the lead ship of her class. The United Kingdom currently has 15 pilots training in U.S. Navy units. The two navies also work closely on countering piracy, supporting disaster relief efforts, and fighting terrorism globally.
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=84898
Does this mean we can send American carriers to the Falklands?
And send CFK completely loopy.lol
Chuckle.
Just read yourselves... That is entirely what is completely wrong with you people
Dec 16th, 2014 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You're confusing as ever the intersection of the sets Muslims and Nutters with the union of the two.”
“Why are you so quick to link a self-styled, mentally unstable, criminal and sexual deviant with Muslim extremists?”
#i'llridewithyou
and then make it a case of “intolerant” with religions Argentina is, Elaine & Hamas, that is just great... pmsl.
Argentina at least got Muslim immigration better than your countries did, so why dont you shut up and stop being so stupid for a change, stop pathetically diverting to Argentina like fools.
You are in denial. You are cowards that dont want to confront the source of the problems. You just would turn the other cheek ... or open up your other cheeks even further to the Muslims to make it even easier for them.
I waste my time with retards today, and certainly I will be waiting for hell to freeze over for a world hashtag written in Arabic condemning these attacks by Muslims all over the world.
The source is in the bottle,
Dec 16th, 2014 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0this problem wont just go away,
and the wests soft actions merely inflame it,
this may well be only sorted out by the different sides by themselves,
they have been fighting for centuries, and in the 21st century it aint got any better,
and as some have rightly stated, many Muslim prominent people and countries have failed to condemn these lunatics,
perhaps, it may be better if the wests military protected their assets including the wells, and just let them get on with it,
perhaps the west should ask for an oath of loyalty from those in our countries, or ask them to leave,
after all aint we in the west just corrupting them, with our bad ways and habits , smoking , drinking , drugging , porn , crime , etc etc ,
would it not be unfair to keep them,
just an ad-hoc opinion, nothing more,,nothing less,
@CD2 'You people', you and TTT are fond of using that. What do you mean by it? Just curious.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are very selective in your reading. Muslims have condemned the attacks by extremists but let us not confuse it with the murders in Sidney yesterday. You still are unable to distinguish between a genuine Muslim extremist and someone who adopts and manipulates an ideal to suit his own grievances. His motive was entirely self-serving.
You are filled with hatred for all Muslims. Why? Is it just Muslims ?
@136
Dec 16th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Naive...” Really? I've never met a self-declared jihadi, but I have known sex-offenders and I know how they think. I assure you this creep's most ardent affection was not for the greater glory of Allah. His true passion was for ( warning: crudity alert ) getting his dick wet. Like all sex-offenders.
There's been wall-to-wall coverage of this incident since it started and a number of people who knew him have been interviewed. They all say variations of the same thing: “He was a fake, a flake, a fraud...and he doesn't speak for us”.
And as for 'pandering'...I don't think you are aware of the greater context here. In September a teenage, genuine, ISIS supporter was shot in Melbourne after failing to behead a cop. Some mosques were graffited, lots of angry people on talk-back radio and a soldier claimed he had been threatened outside his home by ISIS supporters ( turned out he made the whole thing up ). Also lots of women in various exotic Islamic head-gear were abused in the street. Always the women - the dickheads who love harassing muslims always go after the chicks...tells you all you need to know about them, doesn't it?
And THAT is what was behind Rachel Jacob's ( lovely Hebrew name, yes? ) generous gesture. Not pandering. Empathy and compassion.
@142
Dec 16th, 2014 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You are cowards that dont want to confront the source of the problems. ”
Oh, but I do. I just fail to see how the cure for one form of loony extremist bigotry is another.
As for being a coward, I feel it's also only fair to warn you that I walked 47 miles of barbed wire, I got a cobra-snake for a necktie, I got a brand new house on the roadside, made outta rattlesnake hide, I got a brand new chimney made on top,
made out of human skulls.
etc, etc, etc.
@143
Dec 16th, 2014 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah...but Who Do You Love...???!!!
Okay this one guy was crazy and he was also nuts. There was plenty of evidence that he should have been confined by the State long ago. We have had the same problem in the USA since the 1980s when it became very difficult to lock up the crazies. I think that will change in the next few years as we adjust our laws.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0143. On the other hand, Islam is no religion of peace, and how dare you compare it to Christianity! That is very offensive! It is complete lunacy and you should be ashamed of yourself. You are sick and need help.
@145 Woah, you are confusing muslim extremists with peaceful muslims. I could cite many, many extremist Christian groups, both in recent times and in history.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@146
Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Either that or he simply doesn't get Bo Diddley:).
146. Show me one time a Christian group beheaded someone on TV. One Time.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Show me a Christian Army enslaving and using women as sex slaves. Show me a Christian Army forcibly converting people or killing them at least in this Millennium.
There are 100s of thousands (millions/countries?) of muslim extremists so yes I will paint a large brush stroke and condemn them all.
@148 Indeed you often use a broad brush stroke. So, are you saying that only murders involving beheading qualify? And only murders since 2000? Why the limits? Are only murders by Muslim extremists abhorrent? But murders and atrocities by Christians are acceptable? Murder is murder in my book and all religious extremism unacceptable. I guess we are different.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By millenia I meant in the last 1000 years. Mostly “Christian Extremist” groups are very small weirdos not the same as we see with ISIS and Taliban. They're not organized and are mostly myths concocted by ultra liberals to show a moral equivalency with the Muslims.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Murder is murder but we are talking more than that, we are talking ENSLAVEMENT, SEX SLAVES, Forced Conversion, KILLING GIRLS for learning.
There's no equivalency to anything I've seen from the Christian side.
If you have something show me the links. I'd be interested in reading them.
My guess is they're mostly myths and bugaboos created by uber liberals.
@148 I am a practicing Catholic and your comments are nonsense. In the history of Christianity there are many examples of the faith being just as violent as Islam - the Spanish Inquisition, which was not finally banned by the Vatican until late in the 19th century, is a good example. Also, the behaviour of the Crusaders who went from Europe to combat the spread of Islam in the Middle Ages was on a par with their Muslim enemies.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree entirely with ElaineB in No.149 above.
141.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know damn well I'm not like Toby and what I mean by “You people” lefty cool aid liberals. Toby abhors western civilization and values; he attacks your countries policies from a very Argentine left wing nationalistic perspective. I condemn your societies for turning their backs on Christianity, traditions and values and being cowardly and condescending.
Why don’t you pick on someone your own size instead of saying the things you say about Toby over and over??
You know it is really pathetic psychological trick to brand me as another Toby. But don’t think for a second you can pull that off with me.
As one old man said to me once “swallow, that you know and travelled the world, but you have ever known winter”.
Thank God you are sent to Latam. I want to imagine your government doesn’t send people like you to deal with the Russians
142.
“He was a fake, a flake, a fraud...and he doesn't speak for us”....
Funny that they Muslims always say that, yet polls of what Muslims think and believe are overwhelming, Western governments are having to lie more and more about the true dimension of the problem, keeping the cool aid running, increasing the police state, providing more laws to kneel back to the Muslims all in order to mantain an un easy peace.
And how funny that abusive and pedofile priest are always called “Christians” instead. But each time a Muslim commits a crime, well he ain't a Muslim after all.
And you being a public worker should know that statistics dont work like that.
Are you daft? You can't compare the 1500 with today. Good gracious!
Dec 16th, 2014 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have no time for any religion but have to agree with Yankeeboy.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Christianity is at least trying to adapt to the modern world, with women bishops, gay marriage and ridding itself of perverts. In doing so it retains it central themes of love, tolerance and forgiveness.
Meanwhile many Muslims are behaving disgracefully and use their religion to justify their actions. The Muslim groomers of children in Rotherham and Oxford, the pervert killer in Sidney, the killing of children in Pakistan by the Taliban and the industrial scale war crimes of ISIS taking place in Syria and Iraq are recent examples of a religion gone wrong. I can think of no current similar crimes being committed by Christians on the same scale. Perhaps you will provide some examples and prove me wrong.
@145
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there's any such thing as a religion of peace, I'm not sure what it is. Quakers, maybe.
It's self-evident, on the other hand that modern day Christians for the most part are not in the same league as certain maniacs of a different persuasion, but that's a consequence of secularism rather than religion, and it doesn't justify the use of a brush about 1.8 billion people wide either. That can't provide any solution to anything.
@ 152 “I condemn your societies for turning their backs on Christianity”. Ah, so I am to be condemned for not submitting to your religious beliefs? Wow. Now I have you pegged.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 150 You might like to take a look at the Reformation. People were tortured and burned at the stake in front of a public audience (no T.V. then) for failing to convert, sometimes to Catholicism, other times Protestantism, depending who was ruling the country. Admitting one's religion was often a death sentence.
154. You only need a map of Eurasia to see that each open conflict in today’s world aside of Ukraine has Islam involved. From North Africa, Nigeria to Somalia, then the southern Arabian Peninsula in Yemen, and over to Pakistan, Afghanistan, now Xinjiang and back North West to the Caucasus. Yet people here talk as if ISIS is the only terror group alive... There are thousands of them.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@153 To be fair Yankeeboy, I was you that said in the last 1000 years.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0156. I am well aware of what happened 500 year ago. You can't compare anything from that time period with now. Some of us have evolved.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0155. Maybe those 1.8B people should try and reign in teh millions that are giving their “religion” a bad name.
Otherwise we'll have to do it for them.
@159
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many millions are in ISIS? Al Qaeda?
156.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny you say that because I’m an atheist. What you idiots don’t understand is history, in fact you don’t know history. Christianity as well as democracy is what shaped western culture and made it into a unique civilization. Unlike anything else in the world. Religion has always being what defines countries and nations rather than race. When you turn back on something as cohesive as religion then you are lame ducks against those who have one.
As Mark Steyn came to the conclusion “Suicide bombers may be a weak weapon, but a strong one against weak cultures”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQELHJx8Vf0
@161
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The separation of religion and politics in Western cultures is a strength rather than a weakness.
But separation of religion from society is a terrible weakness in western countries.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@163
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'd prefer something all-encompassing, like Islam, maybe?
CD2
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you advocate blaming every muslim on earth for the actions of a few?
So in your infinite wisdom what is your solution to islamic fundamentalism?
Are you going to purport a 'final solution' that will see all muslims (regardless of whether they've ever committed a crime or not) rounded up and put in prison camps? Then what? Gas chambers? Firing squads?
What do you take me for, a lefty liberal, like you and Elaine?? Btw you have lost the argument.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ugh, I hate debating Liberals, they treat emotions as facts. It is very frustrating.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hans I don't know how many millions of people support ISIS/TALIBAN/Chechin Radicals. There's lots and lots of “extreme muslims” around. I would say millions yes. Prove me wrong.
Also separation of Church and State only means no state religion. It doesn't mean absolutely no religion can be in gov't. That's another uber liberal fallacy.
Silent Prayer in School, Christmas Trees on Public land, good grief who's it hurting? Get over yourself. There's more of us that like it and its good for society.
167.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think its about 200 million extremist all over the world in both Muslim and non Muslim countries.
@152
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really not trust my judgement at all? Do you think I can't tell when someone is sticking to a script or recounting a genuine experience and expressing an honest opinion? Maybe you'd have to live here to get it.
Siege's aren't all that uncommon here. What made this so distinct was that it took place in one of the most expensive and densely populated areas of the nation, and the number of hostages. And that stupid fucking flag. What you don't seem to have noticed is he did this alone. All of his supposed 'charisma' and his fearless followers are...nowhere.
You last paragraph - generalisations...but I will say this: I know perfectly well that the perpertrators of child sex abuse are not limited to any church, religion or faith or profession. Or gender.
@166 On the contrary, you have shown yourself to be confused and without a coherent argument.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You condemn me for not being a Christian but you are an atheist and believe the church should be all prevalent in society? Wow. Complete nonsense. Western cultures do not politicise religion. In general they are plural societies and in the UK post-religious. Religion plays no part in our politics.
Maybe you are confusing religion with morals.
You are so like TTT.
169.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wake up and smell the coffe. They are “Lone Wolf attacks”. Losers in life mostly commit suicide.
The American intelligence analysts say that this is exactly what the Islamic fundamentalist have advocated for in the last years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMlJtqm_2x0
If you have a terrorist cell you have far more chances to pick them up and detected. The only disadvantage is that the lone wolf has to organize and do things by himself
@167
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The CIA estimates 20-30,000 in ISIS. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/11/world/meast/isis-syria-iraq/
Some others are saying a whole lot more, but nobody is anywhere near millions.
The composition of these 20-30,000 is also relevant. Some indeed are Muslim radicals, some others are just on that bandwagon because it suits their own agenda. You also overestimate the extent to which all extremist groups are part of the same thing. In fact Hezbollah hates ISIS, ISIS hates Hamas, Al Qaeda hates ISIS, etc, etc, and by far the greatest part of the fighting against any of these groups is being undertaken by other Muslims.
Leaving aside that the whole hornet's nest was in large part stirred up by fuck-witted Western intervention, you'll never beat it without understanding what it is, or by becoming what you imagine it to be.
As if ANYONE from Argentina could tell any British person ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING! That may be seen as arrogant but living in a cut off place like Argentina its so easy to get cut off from reality. I got that distinct impression on my numerous visits there, its fast becoming a stagnant backwater with morons running the place. It reminds me of my visits to East Germany before the wall came down. A cowering population ruled by the dregs.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0170.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You clearly haven't understood anything I said. You dont think properly. You are a brainwashed in denial liberal.
Im an atheist, but and honest one that understands that he can only be one in a western country.
Why dont you answer me this love, How come Israel is the only country in the western hemisphere where Muslims within it are kept in line?? They are permited to practice their religion and hold positions at the supreme court and government... Why ??? Why dont we see these attacks in Israel, why dont they go and say to the jews what should they ware, what should they practice and what to do??? Why ???...... I know why but I want to see any libtard eurofart answer that one.
@171
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's funny, I'm drinking coffee as we speak, at 1:15 a.m. Did you disagree with my assessment of his motives? Think about how utterly unprofessional this act was. What possibility it had of succeeding. The only thing this creature ever listened to was whatever was in his head. How do you predict that? His agenda had nothing to do with furthering the cause of ISIS or any other cause. It was all about him. Self-centered to the end, like all rapists.
“Losers in life mostly commit suicide”. Yes, and sometimes they take others with them. Adam Lanzer, for instance.
@170
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's also so opposed to Muslim extremists he wants to start the religious war they want to have. It is a bit hard to get your head round.
175. FFS man !! Haron Monis was 50 years old, you cant compare that to a loner in his teen age years ( a very fragile age ) in that goes on a shooting rampage in the States.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His Facebook account got at near 15 K “likes” in a couple of hours before it was closed, the #I'llridewithyou got 90 K in the first hours. And that is pretty fucked up if you ask me.
Its a lone wolf attack, listen to the US analyst, not to your liberal cool aid Aussie media, the idea of terrorism is not to cause as much damage as they can, but to install fear in a population or group that suffers from it.
@174 I love how you think calling someone 'liberal' is an insult. Which antonym are you: narrow-minded, intolerant, limited, lacking?
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You condemned me for not being a Christian. What does that say about you? You are a bigot, plain and simple.
@176 I think he could try a little harder and be more patronising. You have to question where he gets his false information from? Is Argentina awash with anti-muslim propaganda?
178.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop lying and mincing my words I said @152“ I condemn your societies for turning their backs on Christianity, traditions and values and being cowardly and condescending. ” I never condemned you for not being a Christian....But I see clearly why you will victimize and make a big deal about it because you are intelectually empty and lack arguments.
Brand me as a Toby
Lie
Victimize
How about answering my question about why Muslims in Israel being peaceful ?? I thought not.
Nothing much else to you Elaine. Pity
“Islamic extremism has become fertile ground for many malcontents to protest against their societies,” wrote Ali Mamouri of the Australian Catholic University in the Conversation. “This is even the case for people who aren’t religious hardliners or who aren’t even Muslims.”
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/16/sydneys-sheik-gunman-described-as-beset-by-personal-crises-and-confused-about-islam/?tid=hp_mm
Seems it's even the case for people who claim to be opposing Islamic extremism.
@175
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure I can compare them- you said 'loser's' right?
I'm at your mercy when it comes to Facebook analysis.
”Liberal cool aid (sic) media...” Cheap shot.
The assessment of the motives behind terrorism is a perfectly good one, but, as I've noted, not relevant here. And in any case unsuccessful.
@177
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the idea of terrorism is not to cause as much damage as they can, but to install fear in a population or group that suffers from it.”
Absolutely. Spot on. It certainly seems to be working in your case.
181.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will make it easy for you,
This is what ISIS said in September...
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/21/isis-urges-jihadists-to-attack-canadians-you-will-not-feel-secure-in-your-bedrooms/
What happaned next month in Ottowa??
Also in September
abu Bakr al Baghdadi specifically calls for on attacks on France and Australia
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/21/isis-urges-jihadists-to-attack-canadians-you-will-not-feel-secure-in-your-bedrooms/
I already provided you with the source of the intelligence analyst that talks in the context of those “lone wolf attacks”. I think facts talk for themselves, I dont care what brand of Islam he followed or if the Muslims in Australia considered him to be one of theirs [after of course the attacks] which is a moot point.
Facts speak for themselves. Its lone wolf terrorist attack. But be my guest and duck your heads in the sand
CD, Give up, facts mean nothing to liberals.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nick Clegg is a liberal. That's all anybody needs to know about being a liberal.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have our share of no-nothing liberals here in the USA. Even with 8 years of very bad economic policy you can't see to reason with them that giving money away and appeasement of our enemies DOESN”T WORK, HAS NEVER WORKED and has only made everything worse.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don;t confuse political Liberals with the meaning of the word liberal in the wider context. My political beliefs are my business but nothing like that of the Liberal Democrat Party in the U.K.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is appeasing? The difference between us is that I condemn wholeheartedly religious extremism, I don't condemn a whole religion.
@HC. One last thing....
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The assessment of the motives behind terrorism is a perfectly good one, but, as I've noted, not relevant here. And in any case unsuccessful.”
What more evidence do you need of your capitulation to terrorism as a country do you need than the viral hashtag “#i'llridewithyou” ??
Because we end up where we started. That sort of pandering is ultemetly just fear driven.
“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”
W. Churchill
@184
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, but one analyst's opinion does not constitute a “fact”, especially not when it's contradicted by those actually on the ground.
Nick Clegg is a member of the Liberal Party and behaves in a generally liberal manner. There isn't a Wanker Democratic Party so I guess he's joined the Party that best suits him.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The opposite of “damning with faint praise” is “praise with faint condemnation”, which unfortunately is standard practice in today's Muslim communities in the west.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Social and religious based stances that would be considered extremist in modern Judeo-Christian society are considered only moderate (the norm) in Islamic society, and most open debate considered blasphemous, as interpretations are almost always represented as literal.
It may be because Islam is a young religion, but that can be no excuse in a modern society with global interactions. It's up to you to “catch-up”.
Here is a example of “moderate” Norwegian Muslims, at a peace conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO6PcFYXMo4
I, for one, will take the extremists at their word ...... it IS about Islam.
And as we say in Canada, “ It is what it is” (even if it's not what it's suppose to be).
If your religion has been hijacked, it's up to you to rectify the situation and do something about it. Unfortunately, I sincerely don't believe this is necessarily the case (I do hope I'm wrong).
Derke
One of the most hilarious aspects of this board is the snake oil tactics of Elaine.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For example, “look” at how she somehow “wonders” @132 if Muslims in Argentina are “persecuted”. You would think given her innumerable trimestrial hegiras to Argentina, in order to escape the intolerant British isles (towards gays and lesbians), that she would be well versed as to the answer to this.
Yet she most CERTAINLY knows that Puntanos hate Doctos and Cuyanos hate Porteños, or that CFK just had Merluza for dinner, because she attended the covert Knight Templar's of the New World Women's conventicle in Cerro Uritorco near Capilla del Monte where she met a a female Afro-Argentine muslim polo player who married the assistant secretary to the head of the Cabinet who overheard Maximo Kirchner tell one of his best buddies ex-girlfriends sister that her mother mentioned to one of her brother-in-law's wives she had done so. Who then told her so.
#192
Dec 16th, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0intolerant British isles (towards gays and lesbians), ?
One of these days you may possibly get something right but I doubt it.
Compared to Argentina most certainly. But a paradise compared to Saudi Arabia.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is an interesting thread....extremism and politics.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It can be seen in the UK, Argentina and in the Middle East.
I remember vividly the celebrations in 1997 when Tony Blair came to power “things can only get better”.....blah blah....except they didn't .....10 years on we entered the biggest recession since the 1920s.
But Blair used this media driven anti-tory populism to drive changes that under wider scrutiny would have appalled any democrat. Devolution only to Labour strongholds, massive gerrymandering to constituency boundaries meaning that Labour get an overall majority with 34% of the votes, but the Tories need 40%.
In Argentina of course it is worse, the state run media peddling down right lies of economic statistics, an invented enemy in the UK and an invented injustice in the Falklands used as a smokescreen both to up unite the uneducated masses and to hide their blatant corruption and incompetence.
In the Middle East the Taliban hide behind a version of Islam that appears nowhere in the Koran. Again, a smokescreen to unite the uneducated and to mask their real aims to control the opiate farms and ideally to get their hands on large oil fields.
Invent an enemy and then carry out what would otherwise be awful to “counter the enemy”
It's as old as the hills.
Sadly the greater the uneducated populous the more blatant it can be....Argentina being a case in point.
@63. Never run away in my life, twanker. Might have been scared. But the job still has to be done. I've physically caught smugglers. And criminals. Apprehended psychopaths assaulting others. Arrested any number. Seen them in court. Seen them prosecuted. Seen them imprisoned. Seen them deported. Stood between female colleagues and the cowards who would do them harm. My father, during WW2, fought with Gurkhas. Even though he was RAF. They gave him a kukri to mark how well he did. I still have it. Want to meet it, shit for brains?
Dec 16th, 2014 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@86. Just looked up the top 50 surf beaches. Urineguay isn't mentioned. But the UK IS mentioned. TWICE. Just how fourth-rate are you?
@121. Are we really? That's good, isn't it? In order to wipe out undesirables, you make it impossible for them to reproduce. Bit like killing bacteria as they divide. What am I saying? It is killing bacteria.
@133. I'm not sure that I can agree with you, although I see the thrust of your argument. Surely the proper solution is not to rid argieland of Peronism, but to rid argieland of argies. They are still somewhere between the 15th and 19th centuries. How do you purify a biological sample? You kill off what you don't want. Lose 90%.
@149. Now you've gone too far. Trying to excuse these animals. Go back nearly a thousand years and the Siege of Antioch. The 'sultan' of the slave army of Mamelukes offered safe conduct if the defenders of Antioch surrendered. They thought he had honour. He had none. They were lined up, on their knees, and beheaded. That's arabs. And now they use Islam to justify their crimes. Let's hear a comparable Christian example.
@151. Crap.
@152. Does that mean anything?
@168. Then let's start by exterminating the muslims. Who needs to pray to something non-existent 5 times a day? It's exhibitionism. 'Look at me, I'm religious'. No, you're not. You're a nutjob. And you need a mat as well?
@171. Who are you trying to convince? Yourself?
Talking abt split ends,
Dec 16th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0one would honestly have to ask --
who supplies them with guns , bullets , explosive , bombs , rockets , communication ,
yes these nutters are paying,
but who ?? is the supplier...
just an honest thought.
171 CabezaDura2
Dec 16th, 2014 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Losers in life mostly commit suicide.”
Like Robin Williams? Like Tony Scott?
Yeah, I see what you mean... Certainly both were losers......
Clown.
#196They were lined up, on their knees, and beheaded. That's arabs. And now they use Islam to justify their crimes. Let's hear a comparable Christian example.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the siege of Acre in 1191, Richard the Lionheart had 2,700 Muslim prisoners beheaded. “Christians” were equally murderous. This took place while negotiating with Saladin.
198.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said “mostly” commit suicide, retard cant you read??
You are just clutching on straws to come against me with something that is very tribal in the context of this thread, just for the sakes of it.
I have no idea who the other guy is, but Robbin Williams was taking any amount of drugs and he had married to two previous predatory women that where parasitizing him after he was divorced and was maintaining another woman. And taking those pills, being alcoholic, marring predatory women where his choices in life. And God have mercy on his soul, but to be fair I never actually found him funny.
Cabeza Dura Dos is having problems with women. Too much information.... Also is very scared of Muslim people.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wierdo.
201.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, so true but thanks for the attention you clearly have invested in me, assuming of course you are a random anyone instead of some other libtard eurofart here that has changed his account.
@196
Dec 16th, 2014 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The thrust of my argument is that populations can be fooled by propaganda. The more poorly educated the population, the easier to fool them and the bigger the lie can be.
Blair fooled the UK population. He got large swathes to believe the Tories were evil (they are not), he got large swathes to ignore the blatant and heinous undemocratic devolution and gerrymandering, and he got large swathes to happy clap him to “things can only get better”. Generally those with the poorest education and easiest to fool clapped the loudest. It took a decade for the facade to slip.
On a global scale these a pretty small scale lies.
Peronism has totally and utterly fooled great swathes of Argentines. They believe corruption, dishonesty and lying is the only way to get on. They believe Argentina is a “major player”. They believe that Argentina would be rich if they hadn't been tricked or robbed by the US/Uk. They believe that they have a god given right and don't need to earn anything, and of course they believe a set of fairy stories about the Falklands that any sane person could see we're a pack of lies.
An ignorant population fooled completely for generations and still happening. Toby, Paulcondom, think....utterly and totally brainwashed. Simon68 sees straight through it.
E recent swathe of Islamic extremism shouldn't be confused with historic religious wars IMO. The Taliban/al Qaeda and the like are terrorists hiding behind Islam. They want money from Afghan Opium fields and Saudi/Iraqi oil fields. They propagate lies around a religious war, a jihad...and swathes of uneducated fall for it.
Over a billion (the vast majority) ofMuslims don't support this jihad, a fact that Cabeza ignores because it doesn't suit his ill judged prejudice. Indeed the school in Pakistan today is horrific proof that Islam is as much a victim of these nutcases as the Western world.
An uneducated desperate population looking for an excuse to their inadequacies....blame someone else.
@200 “predatory women that where parasitizing him after he was divorced and was maintaining another woman” Wow. You really are embarrassing yourself.
Dec 16th, 2014 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@201 Yes. It seem to be another trait he shares with TTT.
”Over a billion (the vast majority) ofMuslims don't support this jihad, a fact that Cabeza ignores because it doesn't suit his ill judged prejudice. Indeed the school in Pakistan today is horrific proof that Islam is as much a victim of these nutcases as the Western world.“
Dec 16th, 2014 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not at all, in fact I said earlier on @157
”You only need a map of Eurasia to see that each open conflict in today’s world aside of Ukraine has Islam involved. From North Africa, Nigeria to Somalia, then the southern Arabian Peninsula in Yemen, and over to Pakistan, Afghanistan, now Xinjiang and back North West to the Caucasus. Yet people here talk as if ISIS is the only terror group alive... There are thousands of them.”
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1715324-un-mundo-turbulento-las-diez-guerras-que-hacen-de-2014-un-ano-peligroso
The common denominator is Islam, whether it be against Black Christians of Subsharan Africa, Yazidis, Copts, Jews, Christian Kurds, Orthodox Russians, or fellow Muslims, it all comes down to radical islam.
There is always going to be greed and struggle for power within the Muslim world as everywhere, that is pretty much human nature, but all over what modern conflicts of today, all the main terror groups; Al Nusrah, al Shabaab, Seleka, AQIM, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hezbolah, Hamas, Taliban it is Islam the tool for enforcing the means to gain power. And nothing PC you may say can alter that simple fact
203 Monkeymagic
Dec 16th, 2014 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have made some very sound and educated comments there. Please publish them elsewhere.
204 ElaineB
Agreed.
205 CabezaDura2
what do have to say about the Alhambra? Philoshopical/religious tides sweep across nations and back again.
You, by being Argentine, have Spanish/Moorish heritage, just as the Brits have Gaelic-Germanic heritage too (amongst others).
Look to yourself.
The most succesful nations are those that have mixed-heritage, not those who like to be (fooloishly), Italio-Iberian racists.
@205
Dec 16th, 2014 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“.... it is Islam the tool for enforcing the means to gain power ”
Islam is the tool, not the cause.
Thanks for undermining your own argument, as you generally get round to in the end.
200 CabezaDura2
Dec 16th, 2014 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I said “mostly” commit suicide, retard cant you read??”
Obviously I can. Well then, tomorrow I'll be “Mostly” going to work then....
So, and please feel free to correct me, you DON'T know who Tony Scott was??? Brother of Ridley Scott?? Director of “Man on Fire”?? TOP GUN??? Unstoppable??? Any of your neurons firing now?
You don't know who Tony Scott was and you didn't find Robin Williams funny....... WOW!!
Are you even a real person????
204. But the fact remains that Robin Williams was having to put up to ex wifes alimony and his current patner
Dec 16th, 2014 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0206
Winston Smith I have no Spanish blood in me. I do however have a drop of Algerian, my great grandmother married a Pied noir officer.
The rest of what you say about race is absolutely balls.
207
“Islam is the tool, not the cause. ”
Its the tool and cause... Why ohh why, Mr Idiot HamasNiesund isn't Hinduism, Christianity in all its variants, Shintoism, Buddhism, Judeism and so many other religions NOT a tool nor a cause of problems ????!!!!!!!!!
What on earth is WRONG with you retards??? Its a level of retardness and denial of Argentine peronists you have!! OMG
Nobody in 1940s was saying that there was such thing as its only extremist Nazis not Nazism itself, its only extremist fascists not fascism itself.
The Western hemisphere didn't win the cold war making a distinction between light communism and hard line communism.
And that answers that other guy that says its a matter of education. The most brightest scientific minds in the world during the 1930s lived in the Weimar Republic, the most well educated people on the planet were the Germans, that didn't stop Hitler from rising to power did it?? In many, many universities all around the world, Human Science faculties and classes are packed with professors who advocate the System that has produced the biggest mass murderers the world has ever known Stalin and Mao. They venerate vile thugs and genocidal beast like Che Guevara. They still endorse a system that has failed over and over and over and over and fucking over and over wherever it has being put in place.. Yet they have spent all their lives in libraries and academia researching writing books, etc.
What fucking guarantee do you provide that “educated” Muslims will be any different??
@ 208 toooldtodieyoung
Dec 16th, 2014 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are quite correct.
Unfortunately the normally reasonable and coherent CD2 has fallen into the usual argentine incoherence of 'it's much worse elsewhere' argument, thus believing this makes 'argentina' look better.
It does not.
This news-site and comment board, by its own authors claims to be focused on the MercoSur countries.
Why CD2 has to always rant about Muslims in Europe, I do not know.
Perhaps it is just the beloved deflection that kirchternites are prone too?
Even though he claims not to be one?
Or perhaps he has been infected by Cadena Nacional: Season 2 ?
Who cares?
Who knew that an article about Alicia's strange obssession with Jeremy Clarkson would develop into a debate about Islam?
Only in 'argentina'.
:-/
@209
Dec 16th, 2014 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Why ohh why, Mr Idiot HamasNiesund isn't Hinduism, Christianity in all its variants, Shintoism, Buddhism, Judeism and so many other religions NOT a tool nor a cause of problems ????!!!!!!!!!”
Try this to be going on with.
http://time.com/3090990/how-an-extremist-buddhist-network-is-sowing-hatred-across-asia/
The problem isn't one religion or another, it's the psychology of extremism, which is universal, and easily manipulated by the unscrupulous.
211. In responce to Islam, and I dont see any casualties there whatsoever. Get real Hamas. Where are the Buddist terror attacks, the kidnaping of Muslim girls to become sex slaves, the imposition of how to behave on Muslims in Burma and Sri Lanka??
Dec 16th, 2014 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The problem isn't one religion or another, it's the psychology of extremism, which is universal, and easily manipulated by the unscrupulous. ”
And yet 13 out of 14 current conflicts have Islam involved...Enough said. I had enough of you retards. You are plain idiotic, you deny and ignore facts, you are in denial and pandering to your own enemy.
I cant debate over and over and over the same things. How much more I have to walk over you guys for you to see the light?? No, there is no fixing your retarded eurofart libtard empty heads.
Cheers Tobes, they never spotted you but some of us did. You are European.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 212 CabezaDura2
Dec 17th, 2014 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0What have your personal obsessions to do with
“BBC airs advance of Top Gear Patagonia program to be shown December 27/28” ??
Obviously there is no fixing your retarded argie-fart C19th empty head.
It's flattering that you are so concerned about Europe, but I suggest that your energies might be better focused on problems closer to home. And more in keeping with Mercopress' stated aims.
Take your issues elsewhere.
'argentina' is kaput. Your should be pleased that the BBC has put you back on the map. Maybe some-one out there will start giving a shit.
I think I will rather continue to state my opinion and my views whenever I please.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British have been brainwashed by successive governments but mainly through the monarchy, as well as by their state-dependent media and another right-wing private, that the only valid and righteous position or world view is the Anglo(saxon) one.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0As such it is a non-starter to be able to exchange ideas with most of them, since by default they think they are always on the right side of an argument, confrontation, ideology, custom, or philosophy. Which is why the Brittos have disagreements with all other Europeans (alone), disagreements with Latin Americans, with Indians/Pakistanis, with Russians, with Asians, with Middle Easterners, and at times even with their cousins the NorthAmoans.
How can you present a point to someone who believes an argument has been already settled before it even had begun!
This attitude is noticeable in all “negotations” the British partake in: they always have demands before they sit down and “talk”. And when the other side gives into demands and actually sit down, they will say the only outcome of the discussion is one that sees their viewpoint prevail.
The French, Germans, Italians, Japanese, Russians, Chinese, and others always sit down first and try to compromise.
@215 (CD Two, or “ I Could have Debated Thoughtfully before, but now I'm just angry”)
Dec 17th, 2014 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol!
Of course you are welcome to do so. I am a great believer in 'free speech'.
Your are so concerned about Europe succumbing to the Islamic hordes that you have become a victim to the argentine national psychosis of avoiding anything but facing the truth.
Perhaps ElaineB is not so wrong as to included you in the same deluded brethren as TTT/Think/paulie-carrion?
But have you ever considered that this is the wrong forum for such matters? You are blowing in the wind...
Let's discuss Cadena Nacional: Season 2.
8pm tonight, or whenever she (KFC) feels like interrupting your prime-time viewing?
No Muslims involved. A MercoSur country that she tells you is a 'major-player' on the the World Stage. Not.
Any comments?
Or will you just deflect into....
Others are 'worse'..?
hmmm.....
@183 CD
Dec 17th, 2014 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0So how often do terrorist leaders call for attacks in the west? Monis has has many years to grasp the nettle, but he waits until now? While on bail? Looking at a trial and sentence that could easily see him spend the rest of his life in jail? What you are offering is just speculation.
@188
How many times do I have to explain to you the motives and origin of 'I'll ride with you'? You don't live here - there are nuancies and subtlety's you couldn't possibly understand from where you are. Think of it as a peaceful protest against the least attractive subclass of Bogans and the truth will become apparent.
CD2
Dec 17th, 2014 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Connection problems?
Have you tried 'Turning it Off and On again?
And I'm not talking about the insidous proganda, arf! arf!
http://bubblear.com/claro-network-down-argentina/
Thousands Outraged After Claro Cell Network Was Down All Day.
“From the early hours of this morning, thousands of Claro network users were left stranded without the ability to either make calls or send and receive text messages.”
I now expect you to blame either;
a) the Western-enabled muslims
b) money-grabbing sluts (various)
c) europeeeeean Liberals (or who-ever)
d) Women (because....)
e) The United States of Evil.
f) The Global Econony (in general...)
g) The Falklands, (for militarising the South Atlantic)
h) The 'malvinas' (for not actually existing)
i) 'i' your-self, because 'we' are all victims, and this is all just a big plot against us and it is never our fault, and no, we will never accept responisibility for being a bunch of fuck-ups, oh no, we are just victims et al.....
can't wait!!!!!
go on, indulge yourself.
@216
Dec 17th, 2014 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The French, Germans, Italians, Japanese, Russians, Chinese, and others always sit down first and try to compromise.”
Time for you to read some world history, Chopper. Oh that's right, you are too busy to read your own. May you live in “interesting times,” creep. ;)
219 “ilsen loca”
Dec 17th, 2014 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You go girl !!!” - you're on a roll !!
LOL !!
@221 Troy,
Dec 17th, 2014 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0thanks, but I will retire now.... you know the old saying, “give them enough rope, and the fools will hang themselves”
Watch this space!
lol!
222
Dec 17th, 2014 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0ilsen
You did well - very entertaining!!
216 - Don Giorgio, Not to worry, the FI'ers are blowing their last steam. Alexander Haig had it right about them:
Dec 17th, 2014 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The most striking revelation from the meeting is the degree to which Haig's compromise favored the Argentines. The minutes are quite clear on this point: Haig ”then described the elements of the American plan which in effect would give ultimate sovereignty to Argentina but under evolutionary conditions which the Islanders could ultimately accept.“
”It's far from clear, however, that the islanders could or would accept Argentine sovereignty, nor that Haig was really solicitous of their interests. He had recently told U.S. congressmen that the principle of “self-determination” did not really apply to them. And an off-color joke of his about their sexual practices underlined his lack of sympathy.”
Even back then their idea of 'Self Determination' is a joke as are their women and hence the favoring of sheep. Simple people.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303816504577313852502105454
Sallus
Dec 17th, 2014 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quoting someone from 40 years ago you believe is evidence of someone “blowing their last steam” LOL
A lot has happened in the last 40 years.
Firstly the utter and abject military humiliation of Argentina. The dropping of the facade which showed Argentina as the aggressive, colonialist, cowardly and deceitful nation which it's current government still espouses.
Secondly, the advent of global media has given the islanders a voice, a clear statement that they want nothing to do with the scum currently governing Argentina in Buenos Aires.
Thirdly, the British publics resolve that the 255 servicemen did not die in vain.
So sorry Sallus, you are, and always will be a loser, impotent in you rage, childish in your arguments, and a complete turd.
Funny to read your drivel though....
@212 CD2
Dec 17th, 2014 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're missing the point, as ever. Nobody disputes there are Islamic sickos going round committing atrocities. The question is how many there are, and how best to fight them. According to you, there are 200 million of them, and the best way to fight the, is to crack down on Muslims everywhere regardless of guilt.
This wild flight of fantasy is just what the sickos want, but it's more a reflection of your own psychology than any sober analysis.
@224
Hey Sallus, how's the United States Air Force managing without you? The guys in the squadron are all well, I trust?
Interesting view on the origins of the Falklands War, but if you want the real story of the Haig peace mission, you should read the diary written by Jim Rentschler, one of Haig's aides, which makes it perfectly clear what the Americans thought of the junta. Rentschler is particularly amusing on the topic of the toilets in the Casa Rosada as a metaphor for the state of Argentina. I wonder if they've been cleaned up yet, do you think?
“In the meantime, Gompert, Dean Fischer, Scott Gudgeon, and I have found the
perfect symbol for this country: the putrid toilet on the ground floor of the Casa
Rosada. Yeah, a number of us have to cop micturitions, and though reluctant to
help us, the security creeps inside the Casa – heavily into leather, these guys, I
love their polished boots, shoulder straps, and riding crops – lead us around a
pretty palm-shaded interior courtyard, off the edges of which there is a corner
with two urinals. Some corner! – it is inundated with pipi, huge puddles of it
thoroughly soaking the pile of shredded newspaper which supposedly helps one
service the nearby squatty-roo. Doesn’t this sum up the regime distinctive flavor?
– a façade of elegance and sophistication on the outside, behind which the cloacal
reality lies in all its stinky-poo squalor”
Read it all at http://09b37156ee7ea2a93a5e-6db7349bced3b64202e14ff100a12173.r35.cf1.rackcdn.com/Arcdocs/Rentschler.pdf
#216
Dec 17th, 2014 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can you present a point to someone who believes an argument has been already settled before it even had begun!
You have succinctly described the case with Argentina and yourself..
The French, Germans, Italians, Japanese, Russians, Chinese, and others always sit down first and try to compromise.
YOU actually BELIEVE THAT ? You really are naieve in the extreme.
217
Dec 17th, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Winston Smith
Why does it bother you so much that I state my opinion?? Over 70% of this thread has being concentrated on this topic ever since Toby threw the stone and hide the hand at 67. And it seems like if it was only me here talking about the Muslims? LOL. In case you haven’t noticed there are people that agree with what I am saying, haven't you actually noticed?? Ohhh no its just some K troll trying to divert is it?? You know that is not true yourself!! Why do you lie and blaspheme?? Many, many, many times I have concentrated on the problems of Argentina, even provided additional information and material to state the case against the Ks.
Why are you so desperate to have me shut up on this issue, why do you feel so threatened about me ??
“Perhaps ElaineB is not so wrong as to included you in the same deluded brethren as TTT/Think/paulie-carrion?
I can wipe the floor with you guys, TTT/Think/paulie-carrion cant. ElaineB is daftly limited, so overrated and can only resort to lying, victimize and try to place me in that loser club beforehand because that is far more easier than actually debating, or making herself the ”analyzer of Argentina’s intolerance towards Muslims“ What a pack of crap!!! That is all made to actually avoid debating-
I feel for the British tax payer if you are sending these liberal basic PC diplomats to deal with the Russians, the Iranians, the Saudis and so many others.
218.
”So how often do terrorist leaders call for attacks in the west? ”
You seem to have problems in analyzing and considering the time and facts involved. al Baghdadi actually did not call on attacks on the West, he kept reciving recruits from the West but he never actually called for lone attack wolfs, now he did after the US coalition against ISIL was formed in September and the US starting bombing them. And there you have the articles and the dates. I cant do more for you than that.
@228
Dec 17th, 2014 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I can't do more for you than that”. I didn't ask you to, nor do I need you to.
Like I said earlier the link between al Baghdadi's exhortation and Moni's actions are just speculation. Not evidence or proof. And none of it takes Moni's erratic character into account. This guy took his marching orders from his own sick fantasies and needs. He didn't need inspiration from any other source.
229.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not thinking properly. If ISIS or any other fundamentalist organization has a conection to a single lone wolf the chances of detection by the secret services in the West increase. The whole purpose of these lone wolf attacks is to make them undetectable and un predictable. So there is ever going to be a specific proof that will lead to Monis- al Baghdadi. You have the facts, you have the time line.
And what does Abbot do ?? Well the first thing he does is see to what went wrong in the security apparatus. There is not much the Intelligence services can do if a Muslim just randomly decides to go “GTA” on the streets, driving over people or hacking them like what happened to Lee Rigby last year.
This is the problem with the West, you are becoming ever more Orwellian States, instead of being honest with yourselves and tackling the Muslim issue, you deny, you lie, you brainwash yourselves with cool aid and you pander.... but redouble the surveillance. That is Orwell all over.
If it was a case of some random loser going to jail, why did he do so now take hostages?? The man was half a century old and had spent all his life reading the Quran that is a fact. Of course the Oz Muslims are going to say now “he aint one of us!!!!!”
If this is a case about a random loser and the Australians seem to consider it that way, why did that Muslim woman “feel” distressed on the train?? Why did the Australians decided to pander the Muslims before the circumstances what not even clear??
I guess that the ultimate point of that hashtag is that you have effectually made them into the victims before the siege was even over. I’m sorry but that is plain stupid, insane and cowardly.
@229 You will never convince him. He has decided to make this a platform for his hatred of Muslims and won't be deterred by reason. He is throwing in some misogynist remarks for good measure but he cannot help himself.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@228 “I can wipe the floor with you guys” Only in your own mind. You and TTT are two peas in a pod. Self-praise is no praise.
“I feel for the British tax payer if you are sending these liberal basic PC diplomats to deal with the Russians, the Iranians, the Saudis and so many others. ” What are you ranting about? Barking mad.
231.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shhhhh grown up Men are talking.
@232 Where? You are such a child.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is your reaction when a Christian or an Atheist commits a crime?
233.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will just spout your accusations like for example call me a misogynist. All I said was the truth; Robin Williams had to pay 30 MM in alimony to his Xses. THAT IS A FACT YOU IDIOT
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/stasi-robin-williams-30m-alimony-ex-wives-contributed-death-article-1.1906241
If you can’t even face up to that, why would I even bother in talking to you about far more serious issues like Terrorism, the Muslims, geopolitics and so many other topics. You are just hearsay, mixed up with snobbish PC remarks and cheap psychological tricks.
You are full of crap
@234 Let me help you so you can hide your misogyny is future. That Robin Williams paid the required maintenance determined by the law of his country is indeed fact. Whether entered into willingly or compelled under law, he did so.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your words were “predatory women that where parasitizing him after he was divorced and was maintaining another woman” and that is the difference between fact and your misogynist narrative.
You cannot stand anyone disagreeing with you, especially a woman. How dare we speak to you like that! Right?
You are obnoxious, racist, narcissistic, prejudice, misogynist, and a bit of a twit. Don't bother with me but as long as you post here I will comment on your posts.
235.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your words were “predatory women that where parasitizing him after he was divorced and was maintaining another woman” and that is the difference between fact and your misogynist narrative“............Hmmmm no, it is pretty much a fact, how would you have refrased in your womanese politically correct language ???
”[... but Robbin Williams was taking any amount of drugs and he had married to two previous predatory women that where parasitizing him after he was divorced and was maintaining another woman. And taking those pills, being alcoholic, marring predatory women where his choices in life. And God have mercy on his soul, but to be fair I never actually found him funny.]”
If you had a shred of honesty you would acknowledge my remarks indicate that Robin Williams decided his own choices in life and that not only paying alimony is what caused his suicide, and it is implied that he made the same mistake twice in going for [yes, because its what they are] predatory women; Velardi first and Garces later.
What is anti women of that, it is the truth ?? And the article that I provided is written by a woman FFS!!!
But you are not honest; you have a problem with facts. You first act and attack according to your feelings, without even considering neither the facts nor thinking objectively. Now you have made a total fool of yourself.
Stick to what you know how to do best, giving therapist talks to Toby.
@230
Dec 17th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok...I agree with most of the substance of your first para - it's just simple logic right? Yes, you have provided facts and a timeline. But it's all so nebulous! The link is far too tenuous to be able to say, with conviction, that this guy was a 'lone wolf'. On the basis of the information available my own theories - and just about anyone else's - are just as convincing, or otherwise, as yours. I know that probably reads like a legal document - but do you see my point?
Again, there is logic in next para regarding limitation of intelligence services, but nonetheless, the Iranian's ( they claim ) have been trying to extradite him for years, and it seems american intelligence ( can't remember which one of the alphabets ) were also aware of him. So perhaps Abbot's questions are valid.
I agree with your concerns about mammoth surveillance powers that govts, including my own are now developing, as well as the dishonesty in justifying their reasons. However...you just don't know my country. All of these subjects are constantly being debated. Daily. Recently, hourly. Do you really think we're so stupid as a people that we can't recognise when we are in imminent danger and do something about it? We know we can handle adversity. In fact it's when we are at our best. And we have our own standards for judging people, and I'm quite satisfied with them.
I thought I'd already made it clear why the Muslim women was distressed. She was obviously afraid of a repeat of what happened in the wake of the earlier attack when women dressed in traditional garb were persistently harassed - sometimes in the company of their children. Rachel Jacobs was obviously aware of the context, as was I, and responded accordingly.
@231
I think I'll let that one go thru to the keeper. Too quick for me:)
Yup, a misogynist to your very core. LOL! You cannot even recognise it in your own words. Keep digging, it is getting more comical with every post.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You like facts so let me leave you with this to chew on while I go to my next meeting:
Muslims - 1.57 Billion
Al-Qaeda - 10.000
Taliban - 36,000
Evil extremists of any religion are not representative of their religion as a whole. Maybe next time some atheist commits a crime we should lock you up, just in case. (I am sure the women you come into contact with would rejoice).
238,
Dec 17th, 2014 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0misogynist; A person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/es/definicion/ingles/misogynist
“predatory women that where parasitizing him after he was divorced and was maintaining another woman”... I'm sorry but I dont see the connection to being a misogynist. What I said in the case of Robin Williams Ex wives is true.
Muslims - 1.57 Billion ..... and of those 25% at least hold extremist views.
It doesn't matter how many actual activists the Taliban and Al Qeda has (Al Qaeda no longer exist as a unified entety) Only in Syria there is thousands of islamic terror groups, al Nusrah and ISIL are only the most known ones.
The Pew Research Center has being following what Muslims trully believe in both western countries and in Muslim countries for over a decade and it is pretty scary
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/es/definicion/ingles/misogynist
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPtIYM8JRwI
Yep, your inorance and dependance on cool aid is appaling
@239
Dec 17th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To get out of a hole, first stop digging.
I once lived next door to a Muslim family and can honestly say that they never chopped my head off....
Dec 17th, 2014 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0anyway,
Really looking forward to this year's top gear special☺
240.. What are you on about now?? The idiot cant even back up what is so misogynist that I said. Robin Williams, poor bastard, was paying 30 MM in alimony over the years to his ex wives. FACT
Dec 17th, 2014 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And now I have given you the whereabouts of where the + 200 million extremist muslims come from. Another FACT.
I dont hate women, I hate retards, liars and people that turn away in the face of the truth. The problem are not the Muslims, the problem are the coward and libtards like you. You deserve to be raped, bullied and told what to do. There is people that have died of many in vain for bastards like you.
@242
Dec 17th, 2014 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me explain what's so misogynistic : it's your unshakeable assumption that Robin William's two divorces were down to predatory women, and nothing to do with for example, his screwing around and/or alcoholism. It's quite consistent with the fear you expressed in an earlier thread that hordes of nubile teenage sluts were determined to steal your seed.
That Pew document is interesting reading sure enough, but there is absolutely nothing in to support the notion of these 200 million Muslim extremists that are apparently hiding under your bed. What with that and all those sluts besieging you, it must be rather a fraught life you lead. Try a cold bath from time to time.
Recent evidence of Christian atrocities guy's! You folks forgotten about the Former Yugoslavia? do I need to remind you about Srebrenica and all the rest of what was called Ethnic cleansing, the rape camps, the torture, the mass executions? Yep Christians can rape and torture just as well as Muslims. The reality is regardless of faith people are quite willing to kill in the name of god as they seem to think it absolves them from any guilt.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Religion is often the guise for those seeking power.
243.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are LYING just like Elaine did, I said that RW killed himself by a multitude of reasons like alcoholism and drug use among them, not just predatory women.
”[... but Robbin Williams was taking any amount of drugs and he had married to two previous predatory women that where parasitizing him after he was divorced and was maintaining another woman. And taking those pills, being alcoholic, marring predatory women where his choices in life..]
And yes they are predatory women. Velardi had being living on alimony for 26 years out of him... I think “predatory” is well placed. It may be my subjective adjective and that is a long shot, but definitely a not a misogynistic adjective.
You still have problems with understanding statistics and facts. Look at the standard results of worldwide Muslim attitudes towards terrorism, 9/11, loyalty to their adoptive countries in the west, Jews and Sharia law... 25 % is in many cases way below Brigitte Gabriel's estimates at best.
Tom Trento is based on the Pew research and Gallup polls..
You are so stupid HamasNiesund, so fucking retarded
@245
Dec 17th, 2014 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that I'm anything of an expert on Robin William's marriages, but I note his second wife was married to him for 19 years. That doesn't look awfully predatory to me, especially by Hollywood standards.
Would that be the same Brigitte Gabriel who is ”a notorious apologist for the fascist Phalange group, Kataeb, and the terrorist group, the South Lebanon Army (SLA), who were responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacres that slaughtered 1700 to 2000 Palestinians (mostly women and chidren).“
http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/04/a-case-study-in-sincere-hypocrisy-brigitte-gabriel/
And Tom Trento, who wants Muslims to “divest ownership in American gas stations, or at least clean the bathrooms.”
http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/04/a-case-study-in-sincere-hypocrisy-brigitte-gabriel/
Imagine you spending time in such company.
And did you miss the bit about Islamic extremism in the PEW Study?
”..... both Muslims and Westerners are concerned about Islamic extremism. More than two-thirds in Russia, Germany, Britain, the U.S. and France are worried about Islamic extremists in their country. Fully 77% of Israelis also hold this view.
But extremism is considered a threat in predominantly Muslim nations as well. More than seven-in-ten Palestinian and Lebanese Muslims are worried about Islamic extremists in their countries, as are most Muslims in Egypt, Pakistan, and Turkey.”
Fancy you aligning yourself with such company. I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.
Indeed, it's quite hard to see who's getting a better deal out of you, the Islamofascists or the fascist Islamophobes.
Cabeza
Dec 17th, 2014 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but you have lost this argument because the one you are making is full of holes.
It is indeed true that there are large terrorist groups who claim to follow the Islamic faith. They have carried out terrible atrocities.
However, I remember bombs going off in London planted by Catholics, I remember children dying in Warrington because of Catholics, I remember the Falkands being invaded by a Catholic nation.
Just because some Muslims are terrorists, it doesn't mean all terrorists are Muslims. Just because there are nations being run into the ground by Islamist fundamentalists, it doesn't mean that all the worlds dictators are Islamic.
Most of the worlds worst atrocities in the last 100 years had nothing to do with Islam, the Japanese in Manchuria, the Americans in Vietnam, the Argentines on themselves, the Germans in Poland....
Yes there is a large amount of brainwashing were the easily led are being fed indoctrination based on the Koran. It's no worse than North Koreas indoctrination..and they would attack the South if it weren't so well defended.
I don't see it as an Islamic issue....if your 200m figure is correct, then the vast majority must not be extremist...and many lead law abiding, tax-paying and valuable contributions to society.
Thank you President Barack Obama and Pope Francis, for your leadership. All countries of America (from Alaska to Tierra del fuego), appreciated and will recognize his leadership forever.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today December 17 is a day that will live forever in the memory of Latin Americans.
Beyond, that many of us in Latin America not share the Cuban ideology, Cuba is an American country and should return to their roots, along with the rest of the countries of America, beyond ideologies, sitting at a table where all the American countries put forward their opinion.
Now the challenge is to the Cubans themselves, hope in a future free elections and multiparty. Cuba should relax its political system towards new horizons, more democratic and flexible. The countries of Latin America has a fundamental role in this last item.
NOW THE ONLY DISPUTE WHICH STANDS IS THE MATTER FALKLANDS / MALVINAS. THE UNITED KINGDOM MUST HAVE THE GREATNESS TO START A DIALOGUE, ONLY THAT, DIALOGUE, NOTHING MORE.
A NEW AMERICA IS EMERGING FROM ALASKA TO TIERRA DEL FUEGO, LONDON TO GIVE ACCOUNT OF THAT.
OTHERWISE, THE BRITISH ISLANDERS WILL BE THE ONLY PEOPLE IN ALL OUR GREAT AMERICA, ISOLATED WITHOUT BEING ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS OF OUR LIFE AS AMERICANS
NOW AT THE MEETING OF MERCOSUR, HERE IN ARGENTINA, ALL COUNTRIES OF THE REGION (INCLUDING CHILE) ARE EXPRESSING, JUST RIGHT NOW, THE UNRESTRICTED SUPPORT FOR THE QUESTION MALVINAS AND VULTURES FUNDS TO ARGENTINA.
FALKLANDS / MALVINAS, FROM TODAY AND LAST GREAT CAUSE OF AMERICA, WE LOVE YOU AND WISH YOU AT HOME, BEAUTIFUL, RADIANT AND VIBRANT AS YOU WENT SOMETIME.
AMERICA WILL NEVER BE COMPLETE WITHOUT YOU.
It does not really matter about 1.57Bn Muslims. It is the small kernel of nutters who believe the ‘leaders’ who preach death to the infidel, wherever they are found.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure that there a a number of parents who are proud of their martyred ‘children’ but the vast majority are aghast that someone they love could carry out these atrocities.
However, that counts for little if it is your western relative that is blown up, beheaded, whatever, and until the Muslims THEMSELVES adequately remove this threat from the rest of us I couldn’t GAF what happens to the 1.57 and racing up billion of potential killers.
They don’t seem to be very effective at doing that, do they?
248@ grow up
Dec 17th, 2014 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0personally, I think that no religion on earth can justify the massacre and slaughter of innocent children,
no religion what so ever,
no excuses.
Hernan (retard)
Dec 17th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a ridiculous load of old drivel.
Because you wish to steal the Falkland Islands you suggest that two continents are “incomplete” without them.
What of course is interesting is that the other British Overseas territories in the Americas do not make them “incomplete”, nor indeed the territories of France (including a large slice of mainland South America), or the Dutch Antilles....just the Falklands.
So it is clear that your “isolation” only falls on those who don't fall to your colonialism. Your “isolation” isn't a matter of principle it is a matter of greed.
You make me sick...you wish to isolate a few thousand people, many of whom have lived in the Americas longer than most Argentines or Cubans...because they won't become Argentine.
MERCOSUR, ANUSSORE, or whatever jumped up colonialist shitshop you like, can spout any drivel they like. The Falkland Islanders are not isolated, they trade with many countries in the Americas and the largest country in the Americas fully support their right to self determination...as do many of the Carribean countries (as per 2008) and the other British Overseas territories.
When can we have dialogue on Patagonian Indepndence, it would make the region “complete” as it once was.
Can someone explain to me why the article at the top of the page has suddenly turned into a debate about our Muslim brothers, I fail to see the connection.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I don't hate women” “You deserve to be raped, bullied and told what to do.”
Dec 17th, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a charming chap CabezaDura2 is.
Argies again, changing the subject.
Dec 17th, 2014 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@248
Dec 17th, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“THE UNITED KINGDOM MUST HAVE THE GREATNESS TO START A DIALOGUE, ONLY THAT, DIALOGUE, NOTHING MORE.”
TO DO THAT, ARGENTINA SHOULD HAVE THE GREATNESS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE INTERESTS OF THE ISLANDERS-IT. IS. NOT. IN. THE. INTERESTS. OF. THE. FALKLAND. ISLANDERS.TO. BE. EXCLUDED. FROM. DIALOGUE.
It IS their birthright and it is NOT the business of any Argentine NOT BORN ON THE ISLANDS, TO DICTATE TERMS TO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE BORN ON THE ISLANDS. (see I can get my capslock stuck too).
Sure charging alimony and having a divorce chunk of 20 MM US$ on a depresive alcoholic, drug using follen from grace actor is very honourable and “non-bloodsucking”
Dec 18th, 2014 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0All you have is hearsay about Brigitte Gabriel & Tom Trento from liberal pro islamic sources, so frankly I cant bother and not even looked into it.
The fact remains that their numbers come from Gallup & Pew Research Center, the only thing they do is make a basic statistical analysis and extrapolation. And there you get the numbers of extremists.
“But extremism is considered a threat in predominantly Muslim nations as well.”
Of course you retard... When they cant kill Christians they will kill each other!! But look at what Muslims react when they are asked if terrorism is justified in Turkey, Indonesia, Egypt, Pakistan, Jordan and Nigeria
Often Justified (100 million)
Sometimes Justified (200 million)
In some way Justified (400 million)
Rarely Justified (100 million)
Of course a shia doesn't like it when a Sunni blows himself up in a Shia city or country or viceversa, you dumbass!!!!
But they damn well support terrorism when it is the other guy that is get blown in pieces or attacked-
Do Catholics want to impose a distinct law in the streets of London?? is it Argentine Catholic bands raping your girls in Rotherham ?? Is it Orthodox Serbs praying in the streets of Birmingham?? Are you retarded too??
Any of the powers and countries you mention have a written constitution and essence calling for butchering of non nationals.
And you say may argument is full of holes?? Yours is not even worth analyzing.
There was ever such thing as “moderate communism”, ever such thing as “moderate nazism”. The only way to beat them is as recognizing them as enemies.
Im trying to talk sense to a bunch of useless know nothing libtard eurofarts whos history and cultures I know and value far more. That is way you deserve your fate; to be abused as a country, rapedm, humiliated and bullied on your streets
You guys think I debate here?
Dec 18th, 2014 - 05:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder you lose every time. Imagine if I actually did put some intellect to defeat you all in argument, instead of just making this a 4th sideshow of multitasking (I actually study, then read news, then eat something... then comes debating you all).
@257 Giorgio C. Tsoukalos
Dec 18th, 2014 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You guys think I debate here?
No wonder you lose every time.......”
How's that boycott going? Weren't you supposed to be shunning all things foreign, including, debating foreign posters on this forum and convincing your fellow countrymen to do the same?
I think you'll find that you just lost. ☺
@256
Dec 18th, 2014 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hear the hydrophobia stage is really rather unpleasant.
256
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did the Catholics want a distinct Law in London....no, but they did in Belfast.
Did the Catholics rape girls in Rotheram...no but they buggered alter boys around the world
Did Catholics pay in the streets of Birmingham...no but they attempt to remove /dismissthe human rights of those British people's in Stanley. The governments of 1/2 billion Catholics signed up to this yesterday.
You see Cabeza, you are a retarded racist...indoctrinated in your Hatred of Muslims, unable to see that the Roman Catholic faith has just as many heinous in its actions.
Most Muslims, like most Catholics, want to live a peaceful existence, feeding their families and building their lives. There are crackpot nutcases in both faiths, be it buggering alter boys and covering up (in the Vatican) or issuing fatwahs in Iran.
as far as I am concerned many Latin American Catholicism are equally extreme and equally nasty, as many Middle eastern Muslims. You included.
#257
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, you don't debate...you pontificate. You suffer from the delusion that you are some intellectually superior being whose wisdom exceeds the rest of us poor mortals .
I have met a number of people like you in my life....academically gifted but could not tie their own shoelaces. Unable to leave their cloistered life without backup.
Toby
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps if you stopped Multi-tasking and put some effort in, then you wouldn't humiliate yourself on a daily basis.
Cabeza
More terrorist bombs have been planted in the UK by Catholics in the past 30 years than Muslims, more religious murders in the UK (especially NI) by Catholics than muslims. Only Catholics (Argentina) have actually invaded British territory in my life time never Muslims. More children have been sexually abused by Catholic priestsin the UK than Muslim clerics.
I wonder how many of the Catholics in Latam thought the IRA bombs in Warrington were “in some way justified”, or the invasion of the Falklands were “in some way justified”. Clearly the pontiff thought that buggering alter boys was “in some way justified” or he wouldn't have covered it up.
We can go into historic Catholic atrocities versus Islamic ones if you want..
Oh dear oh dear....know your enemy....LOL
@258 - 261 Good points, well said.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@256 CD2, you have such a warped and prejudiced mind born out of ignorance. If a passing reader of this board were to base their opinion of Argentines on the comments from you, Think, TTT et al, they would think you a nation of racist, prejudiced, misogynist, perverts. I happen to know you are not representative of your country but an extremist element. Extremism is the problem.
262 Monkey Sheep lover - Why don't we review British transgressions done in Argentina, and last time I checked the Brits tried going into Buenos Aires and got their asses handed to them:
Dec 18th, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ remaining for several months, and a third force made a second attempt to take Buenos Aires. After several days of street-fighting against the local militia and the Argentine army, in which half of the British forces were killed or wounded, the British were forced to withdraw.”
Ever wonder why Catholics despise your little union jack waving asses:
“IRELAND: Irish Potato Famine
The British caused the genocide of 2 million out of 8 million Irish Catholic subjects in four years. When it was ”over,“ the British officials directly in charge of ”Irish famine relief,“ particularly acting Treasury Minister Sir Charles Trevelyan, congratulated themselves and were decorated as Queen Victoria made her gala 1848 visit to Ireland.” Then you wonder why Irish Catholics are pissed, and you occupy their lands.
Let us review Brit Transgressions against Indians. Posted this somewhere else and shut everyone up.......
“INDIA: British Indian Holocaust
1.8 billion excess deaths, 1757-1947; 10 million killed in post-1857 Indian Mutiny reprisals; 1 million starved, 1895-1897 Indian Famine; 6-9 million starved, 1899-1900 Indian Famine. ”
-1.8 BILLION DEAD UNDER BRIT RULE-
Monkey sheep lover - makes you proud to wave your little union jack flag, the adversary has shown himself to be ignorant, arrogant and prejudice. Go humiliate yourself Brit and get off the Malvinas.
9 days to go,
Dec 18th, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0top gear raring to go...lol
@264
Dec 18th, 2014 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0PHALLUS Fuck off this is 2014 shortly to be 2015, rejoice in the fact YOU are alive and kicking. The FALKLANDS will remain British in 2015,2016,2017,2018..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................until THEY ( THE FALKLANDERS ) DECIDE TO BE INDEPENDANT. Just get over it , you are still living in the past move on and man up.
@264
Dec 18th, 2014 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see the United States Air Force Historical Society has expanded its range. That's all to the good, in my view, sometime you might learn something. But have you provided your links to Cabeza Dura? I'm sure he'd be delighted to learn of the alleged British genocide against Muslims, and indeed practically anybody else you can think of.
I also have to admit that I have never wondered why “Catholics despise your little union jack waving asses”. It might quite possibly be because they don't. At least I can't find any trace of it in the Osservatore Romano or the Catholic Herald. I think we might be dealing here with another artefact of the Argentine “educational” system, which is at pains to promote a largely unique strain of anglophobia to the impressionable. I wonder why that is?
@267 I'm a Catholic, of Irish heritage, does it make me a bad person for waving the union flag about, or indeed having a 12ft mast in my back garden...
Dec 18th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do alternate my flags though, St Patricks day obviously is the Irish flag :)
Best of both, being English with Irish decent, I have 3 flags to wave about, my parents live in Scotland they have a St Andrews flag too.
266 - Golf boy - 'FI' Self determination is a joke. You could have 50k referendums and they mean squat. It was apparent then as it is today:
Dec 18th, 2014 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It's far from clear, however, that the islanders could or would accept
Argentine sovereignty, nor that Haig was really solicitous of their interests. He had recently told U.S. congressmen that the principle of ”self-determination“ did not really apply to them. And an off-color joke of his about their sexual practices underlined his lack of sympathy”
Haig even got it right on your sheep practices, so you can take them too. Don't leave the defiled sheep on the islands when you leave, go home.
264 phallus
Dec 18th, 2014 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain has never invaded Argentina, it invaded the Empire of Spain...when we were at war with Spain. These skirmishes over 200 years ago have absolutely no relevance today, and are only mentioned on these message boards because you know only humiliation since.
Argentina is a shitdog of a country, I know it, you know it. Worse still it was only an economic powerhouse when the British pretty much ran it for you, as soon as you've tried on your own, the slip into poverty and humiliation is all but complete.
Britain of course is the greatest nation on earth. Not only did it have the largest and most powerful Empire in the history of the world....it gave it all back peacefully, something nobody else ever managed.
Not only did it stand up to fascism, it did it successfully.
So, you can wave your putrid Argentine rag...claiming lands which were never yours, pretending you are not defended from the genocidal conquistadors...but you know and I know the truth.
The Falklands are not Argentine, never were, never will be. Because for all you fascism, indoctrination and lies...Britain will see that you breed of fascism is no more successful than Hitlers.
260.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL you are a retard beyod belief. None of those wars and conflicts had the Catholic religion involved. Nor the IRA and Malvinistas are driven by it, they are driven by just nationalism. Nationalism though dangerous it can be, it does not wish to impose a world view, culture and law. And that is a fact, because retard... Do the IRA want to impose a law in London or in the place where they are in question NI?? Do the Malvinistas want to impose a law in Southampton or in the place in question Malvinas/Falklands.
And did Menendez force the islanders a catholic version of Sharia law in 1982 you fucking moron??
I cant even take you serious. You are just making excuses.
And child abuses grooming and rape are being conducted in mass scale in your own streets by Muslim youth gangs. You have a whole parastate in places like Rotherham where the athorities turned a blind eye and these abuses where incited by the Pakistani clerics. Are there Catholic bands in your streets going around grooming women in your own streets?
You dont even know to the extend of which it happens because your athorities have being hiding it under the carpet and in many places of the UK they still do.
How many Catholics serve in the armed forces?? There is only 500 something Muslims in the armed forces and you have 3 times that amount fighting in ISIL alone not to mention all the other terrorist groups around the world..
“We can go into historic Catholic atrocities versus Islamic ones if you want..”
Western culture both Jewish and Christian has given far more to the world than these people have done. You cant even compare
13 out of 14 conflicts in the current world have Islam involved. You just need a map to see the extend of which Islam is at war, whether you like it or not.
You can not tell em nothing,
Dec 18th, 2014 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they have been educated by a corrupt anti British system,
and thus Britain will always be the bad guy,
and Argentina the poor victim.
263.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the problem, not the Muslims. You have given you the facts, I have given you have the statistics, I given you the history...
In the end as Argentines deserve what is going to hit them for being economic illiterates, you deserve Britanistan and what is coming to you.
You are a official of the State, you are the ideology of the establishment class of Europe and Britain.
People like you Hamas are not worth the so many blood that has being spilled for you bunch of wankers.
Can I point out, that before Briton was doing all these nasty things to Ireland, indeed Ireland was pillaging the Britons, look up “Niall of the Nine hostages” technically I'm one of his descendants, he used to rob the Welsh coast and North West Briton, we was really fond of robbing the Romans too
Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_of_the_Nine_Hostages
I think in history its always important to see the whole picture, people have fought for years over bits of land, that's what has shaped the world today, just turns out Britain did more of the shaping than anyone else could ever do.
Poor education that of the likes of Argentina does not tell the whole story and tbh it doesn't even tell the truth
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/islamic-state-penal-code-promises-crucifixion-lashing-for-unbelievers/
Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islamic State Penal Code Promises Crucifixion, Lashing for Unbelievers
Harsh penalties for sodomy, theft, drinking alcohol
Would that be the same Brigitte Gabriel ..... that lebanese christian lived in a bomb shelter all during her teens for seven years, having to crall through a ditch to fetch water while there was Muslim snipers sieging them. Had not being for the Israeli intervention in 1982 the Muslims would have killed the, all. That is why she will always be thankful to Israel
Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVlOMwkezrY
Yes I like her smart woman, and destroys Muslim attorney in the US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVlOMwkezrY
@275 CD2 Believes that any woman that does not agree with him deserves to be raped.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@273 “You are a official of the State,” LOL! More of your mis-information. Where do you get it from?
@269 500,000 sheep on the Falklands vs. 26.5 million in Argentina. Who loves sheep more? But seriously, it doesn't matter what you say the Falklands will never be Argentine. Never. Live with it.
Agreed,
Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will be lucky to remain in one piece, after CFK goes.
277.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Liar
@279 Read your own posts. You said it twice, “You deserve to be raped”.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0280. You ultimately deserve the outcome for being so stupid, naive and cowarly. Not because you disagree with me, liar!!!
Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfourtunetly its not going to be you, its going to be middle class and working class britons who suffer the most as the establishment state class betrays (which you belong to) them in the sakes of political correctness
@269
Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PHALLUS you are a knob ( dickhead ) hence your tag. Haig and CFK Putin Madura can say what they want, it will make not a jot of difference to the FALKLANDERS ( They are in possession of the ISLANDS and will remain so until THEY DECIDE differently )
@269
Dec 18th, 2014 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sallus, you really are a half wit. You're describing what some Americans thought at the start of the process of attempting to negotiate with Argentina. You may remember that in the end they came down firmly on the side of the Brits. And here's what the Haig people thought of Argentina by then:
“
To the positive factors which dictate a pro-British tilt, I would add a number of negative observations based on our direct and highly unpleasant experience with the Argentines over the past few days:
- The talks in Buenos Aires demonstrated, more than anything else, the emptiness of our bilateral “relationship” with the Argies (Ambassador Shlaudeman voiced this same view, heartily seconded by everyone of us who had to deal with them).
…
- None of us ever had the certainty that the Argentine side was negotiating in good
faith; indeed, the evidence indicated that we were being strung along
…
- We were deliberately treated to a series of petty but cumulatively significant, not to say contemptuous derogatives from simple courtesy (manipulated crowd boos, squalid “holding” conditions for delegation members in the Presidential Palace, excessive rudeness on the part of security and administrative personnel) which called into further question the seriousness and good faith of Argentine negotiating tacs.
…
The Argies with whom we dealt are not, in sum, nice people; in this sense Mrs.
Thatcher and her colleagues may from the start have read Argentine intentions and
operating style far more accurately than we.”
http://09b37156ee7ea2a93a5e-6db7349bced3b64202e14ff100a12173.r35.cf1.rackcdn.com/Arcdocs/Rentschler.pdf
You'd think Argentina might have learned by now that behaving like assholes, while no doubt immensely satisfying to those of a certain asshole disposition, is a rather poor strategy in terms of getting you want, but apparently not.
@276
I hope you don't bite anybody after you've been on those hate sites.
@281 “You ultimately deserve the outcome for being so stupid, naive and cowardly.” There you go again; you think I deserve to be raped because you think I am stupid (for not agreeing with you), naive (for not agreeing with you) and cowardly (for not agreeing with you. I could never agree with a despicable person like you who advocates rape. You are even more disgusting than Think who likes to play with his own shit (that doesn't harm anyone but him).
Dec 18th, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South Americans are class obsessed. What exactly is 'establishment class' in your mind?
Cabeza
Dec 18th, 2014 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How stupid are you?
The troubles in Northern Ireland have nothing to do with religion??
Jesus Christ!!!!!!
Lol
I suppose the wholesale abuse of children by Catholic Ministers had nothing to do with religion either???
LOL
The bombings in London were in fact “in London” by Irish Catholics.
So the “facts remain” in my lifetime:
More bombs planted in the Uk by Catholic terrorists than by Islamic
More child abuse cases by Catholic ministers than Islamic
More violence by catholic gangs in city centres (Celtic supporters) than any Islamic gang
British territories (Northern Ireland, Gibraltar, Falklands) all under threat from Catholic countries.
And do the other Catholic countries “somewhat support this terrorism”
-how many funded the IRA?
-how many vote with Argentina at the UN?
-How many voted with Argentina in 1982?
-How many vote with Argentina yesterday at the latest ANUSSORE meeting?
You have “the voice of Catholocism” Sallus on this thread, explaining why in its opinion “Catholics hate the British”, you have another catholic Jose Malvinero wanting to nuke the Falklands, or another Catholic Dany Berger wanting to send a Catholic army to the Falklands to invade,
For what it's worth, and despite this overwhelming evidence of Catholic-extremism, I see the Catholics as no more or less a threat than Islam. There are complete retarded nutters in both.
284.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boo hoo, silly twat.
It means that you will effectively decide your own fate as a culture and country in its road to extinction. If Pandas dont want to mate and cant even feel the energy to do it well then, fuck pandas and let them go extinct.
If you dont want to defend yourselves, and not only that advocate for your own downfall then it shall be done.
@286
Dec 18th, 2014 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the worst comes to the worst, maybe some of your heroic anti-Muslim warriors will lend us their death ray.
“
Crawford was apparently under the impression that all he had to do was call up a synagogue, offer them a Muslim-killing Death Ray, and the Jews would take care of the rest for him. ”Thank you, Glenn,“ the rabbi would say. ”We have been waiting for someone to give us a Death Ray. We're going to go kill all the Muslims now.
”
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/06/glen-crawford-ge-kkk-radiation-jews-fbi.html
Do you think they have a model for Robin Williams' ex-wives?
Boo hoo..Cabeza
Dec 18th, 2014 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every single one of your ridiculous “anti-Islam rants” has its own equally ridiculous “ anti-catholic” equivalent.
You said as evidence of our danger
Some Muslims have planted bombs in the UK
I said more Catholics have
You said: Muslims have carried out acts of child abuse in the Uk
I said more Catholics have
You said that Muslims want to see the breakdown of the Uk
I said more Catholics do
You said Muslims killed a UK soldier just because he was armed forces
I say Catholics were doing it in NI for decades and government ministers
In fact I can't think of a single example of what a handful of Islamist nut jobs are trying to do that Catholics haven't tried to do ten-fold.
And “we are still standing”
Lol...you lose retard.
No the bombings in London where carried out by Irish republicans... The clue is in its name. Irish Republican Army. I googled images of the IRA they dont even have Catholic Irish religious symbolism like the Celtic cross, but I do see an AK47, I dont see Catholic priest calling for the destruction of a fairly catholic country -UK- itself.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is nationalist motivated, nothing to do with religion---
How many victims you have in the UK of pedophile priests?? tens maybe hundreds. teh victims of the muslims are counted by their thousands in Rotherham alone...
And retard, do you understand the difference between having the choice of sending kids to catholic schools then being abused on the streets by Muslim gangs??
“-how many funded the IRA?
-how many vote with Argentina at the UN?
-How many voted with Argentina in 1982?
-How many vote with Argentina yesterday at the latest ANUSSORE meeting?”
What has that got to do with anything, RETARD ??? Now Argentina was practising terrorism in 1982!! unbelievable...
One of them points out the number of Muslims among those convicted for grooming crimes, relative tothe proportion of Muslims in Britain: he’s been looking through theconvictions and realised that almost everyone convicted for thesecrimes has a Muslim name, when Muslims are only 5% of thepopulation. They do some quick calculations, and conclude thatMuslims are 154 times likelier to be perpetrators of these crimes thannon-Muslims
@289 You googled some pictures and based your theory on that? LOLOLOL!
Dec 18th, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't think 'the troubles' were between Catholics and Protestants? Thick, thick, thick.
CD2, you are an advocate of rape and will be known for that in every post I make from now on. You can't deny it. You have said it three times in this thread.
288.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides you silly fucker... The number of Irish descendents in the UK are 4 fold the population of the Republic of Ireland!!!
Where is the Catholic version of sharia law? Where is the British catholics flocking to join the “ultra catholic” IRA??
”....but significant numbers of Muslim immigrants wanted to subvert thesecular state, with around 40% of Muslims admitting to wantingsharia law ..(sic)....We can thus conclude that 40% of British Muslims areIslamists: sharia law contains instructions on how to pray, how toconduct divorce, that anyone who leaves Islam must be killed and how to run a country in a discriminatory and non-democratic way”
History will no doubt look back on turn-of-the-century Europewith incredulity: that the politicians of liberal democracies had spent30 years facilitating “Islamist” groups, encouraging groups of first,second and third generation immigrants to propound an ideology thatsought to destroy the very countries which had given them theprivilege of citizenship, countries which had accorded equal rights(and sometimes given preferential treatment) to these immigrants
http://es.scribd.com/doc/214714343/Easy-Meat-Multiculturalism-Islam-and-Child-Sex-Slavery-05-03-2014
Englighten me and tell me how many attacks did the IRA & Irish community conduct in Britain during the 1970s and 1980s??
“Between 11 September 2001 and 30 June 2013, 332 individuals have been convicted of terrorism-related offences, including murder, illegal possession of firearms and explosives offences. 2,465 people have been arrested under the Terrorism Act during this period. As of 30 June 2013, 128 prisoners both, convicted and awaiting trial, were classified as terrorists or domestic extremists. For more statistical information on the operation of police powers under the Terrorism Act 2000 and subsequent legislation ”
http://es.scribd.com/doc/214714343/Easy-Meat-Multiculturalism-Islam-and-Child-Sex-Slavery-05-03-2014
@291
Dec 18th, 2014 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If all Muslims are sex abusers, does this mean that all anti-Muslims are members of the Ku Klux Klan?
British police are currently investigating a child abuse scandal allegedly involving cabinet ministers. Does this mean that all cabinet ministers are child abusers (actual or potential)?
How is Anders Breivik these days anyway? (Inadequate wanker that he was, difficulties with women, apparently).
According to the reports of some retired police officers, the grooming operations have been in place since the 1970s. Based onthese reports, and others we have discussed, we cannot think of aworse child-care scandal in Britain in the last 40 years. ( Yes fucker, far larger than the Catholic priests) As many as 10,000 schoolgirls may have fallen victim to these gangs. The girls’lives, and those of their families, were wrecked by the gangs: theywere all failed by the professional agencies who were supposed to take care of children. Successive child-protection laws from the 1980s on wards were made to play a subservient role to maintaining thedoctrine of multiculturalism.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have shown that there has been systemic failure from thelocal level (schools, councils, police) to the national level (CPS,courts, the SOCA agencies, The Children’s Commissioner,Parliament and even children’s charities like Barnardo’s).
The failure can be attributed to political correctness, used to protectthe incoherent doctrine of multiculturalism, which meant thatindividuals and organisations felt they would be persecuted byallegations of “racism” if they treated Muslim (Asian) offendersthe same way they would treat offenders who were Caucasian.
290.
Idiot
The Green Book was the IRA's operational and philosophical guide line, not a single mention of Catholic elements of indoctrination in it
The moral position of the Irish Republican Army, its right to engage in warfare, is based on:
(a) the right to resist foreign aggression;
(b) the right to revolt against tyranny and oppression; and
(c) the direct lineal succession with the Provisional Government of 1916, the first Dáil of 1919 and the second Dáil of 1921”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Book_%28IRA%29#Green_Book_historical_context
You listen to any Muslim terrorist organiztion and the hooze Islamism
I think I have done with this most retarded and insulting comparison with Catholisim and other Christian variants with Islam
@293 Have you done with advocating rape? Do you still think I deserve to be raped?
Dec 18th, 2014 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0294. No you vile bitch, its you who is advoting for rape by patronizing and appeasing Muslims, keeping cool aid and promoting your PC agenda.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its your fault to what happened in Rotherham, you are the same ideology that made the cops and community State officials turn away and abandom the victims.
@295 Misogynist advocate of rape. Your own words condemn you. Do you want me to quote them back to you post by post?
Dec 18th, 2014 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CD
Dec 18th, 2014 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The IRA gained most if not all of it's support from the Catholic community.
I can only speak for the sectarian divide in Glasgow and it's relevance to the euphemistically named “troubles”. This is from direct experience of living among it for over 60 years. You could quadruple my experience compared with what happened in N.Ireland
Irish “Catholic pubs” had regular support meetings for the IRA and collections were a regular feature for the “bhoys”. Football matches played by Celtic had displays of banners supporting the IRA, sectarian chants, waving the Irish flag, booing the UK national anthem and singing the Soldiers Song.
Only Catholics took part in this.
Because it is not specifically mentioned in the green book does not mean in reality, it is the case.
The IRA/PROVISIONALS stronghold in Belfast was the Faulds Road -100% Catholic with a good percentage assisting the IRA or being members.
Quite a few Catholic priests gave active or tacit help or approval to the “struggle”.
Because it is not specifically mentioned in the green book does not mean in reality, it is the case.
You can quote books until you are blue in the face but the situation on the ground belies that.
Conversely, the protestant Orange Order were totally against any dealings with the Irish Republic whom they regarded as papists and under the control of the Catholic Church.
The rest of us just wished they would all go away !
Good news for those of you with access to the Dave TV channel. Dave will be broadcasting the Top Gear Botswana special in half an hour.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Consider is an amuse bouche for the main course after Christmas. It will be like Patagonia but we can expect the Africans to be more polite well mannered and less violent than the Argentininas. The BBC crew will be welcome guests in Botswana.
Brits and FI'ers alike,
Dec 18th, 2014 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you going to do??? You will flock and seek to escape the UK when the majority of your population clings to the 'Religion of Peace'. You will look to the Catholics in Ireland, Spain, Portugal and the Americas for safety. See what the Religion of Peace has done in the Middle East? What will you do when the zealots instill sharia by democratic means and now you will have to convert.....Within 10 years. You are fucked. Unlike the UK, Argentina, LATAM and other Catholic and Christian countries, we will welcome you with open arms.
It is a Muslim's greatest sacrifice to live among the infidels and out populate the natives through unhindered procreation. They leave their families behind and the comfort of like minded Muslims to spread Islam and establish Caliphates....you have a big problem.
Islam could be dominant UK religion in 10 years – census analysis
http://rt.com/news/christianity-decline-uk-islam-rise-405/
@299
Dec 18th, 2014 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you see RT's other article showing a Star Wars TIE fighter crashing on the autobahn? What does the United States Air Force make of that, I wonder?
Guys, your feeding a computer,
Dec 18th, 2014 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0297.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are just making up excuses.
You know damn well yourself that its about the Irish, not the catholics.
From whom did the US money that went to fund the IRA terrorist activities come from??
From the Hispanic americans??
From the Polish Americans ??
Form the Italo Americans ??
No none of them, and they are all catholic
They came from the IRISH Americans.
Im sorry, you guys, I have no cure for retardness, I have no cure for those blinds whom dont want to see. You have the physicology of a beaten abused wifes, making up idiot pathetic excuses. You are going down in history as the first idiots that literally commited cultural pasive suicide.
Cabeza
Dec 18th, 2014 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sorry but your argument has totally and utterly disintegrated.
To pretend that the Northern Irish problems are not based on a religious sectarian issue is so ridiculous as to be preposterous. It makes a mockery of everything else you've said.
How many Protestants in the IRA?
how many Catholics in the UDF?
Apparently the abuse by Catholic priests had nothing to do with the fact they were Catholic?
I assume the Gunpowder Plot wasnt Catholics either....LOl
You have no ability or intellect to distinguish between groups of Catholics or groups of Muslims.
Clyde lives in Scotland....he has told you about the sectarian divide there...played out every time Rangers play Celtic or Hearts play Hibs....I wonder which recently actually voted to break up the UK...how many Catholics voted Yes in Scotland.
You see Cabeza, there are vile, murderous and dangerous Muslims...some are in Rotheram. There are also decent hardworking, peaceful and law abiding Muslims. There are Muslims who hate other Muslims and Muslims who hate other faiths. There are also Muslims who are tolerant to all.
There are also vile, murderous and dangerous Catholics. Catholics who murdered British soldiers, policemen and civilians in Northern Ireland and the Uk for decades. Catholics who attempted to wipe out the UK Government in Brighton, Catholics who invaded the Falklands and the half billion who supported them in the UN, Catholics who abused boys in churches where they were supposed to be safe, Catholics who covered up right to the Vatican.
So, sorry Cabeza, your ridiculous fuckwit rants about Muslims are no more relevant than equivalent ones about Catholics.
The only difference is I am taking the piss out of your utter ignorance and you are blustering like an imbecile.
299 Sallus
Dec 18th, 2014 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is a Muslim's greatest sacrifice to live among the infidels and out populate the natives through unhindered procreation. They leave their families behind and the comfort of like minded Muslims to spread Islam and establish Caliphates....you have a big problem.”
How many times have we seen this common thread from all the Argie Trolls??
You racist Trolls are either bragging that Hispanics will outbreed the “whites” in the US, or the Muslims will outbreed the UK “whites”, forcing them into a minority, to be change the culture and remove traditional values and replace dominance.
Sallus,
It's too funny. You criticise US ideals, then gloat that you will subjugate them because you are superior - ie. you will impose your will based on race!
Then you tell us there is a terrible threat that Muslims will impose their values and will upon the UK!!
Do you see the contradiction?? :-D no??
Don't you realise that other people come to the U.S./UK to get away from where they were, and make a better life for themselves in a Democracy with Rule of Law, and a stable economy??
Ha ha - laughing at you!!
303.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How desperate you sound retard?? Your “Catholic” vs “Protestant” argument is dead since Hmmmmm I would more than 3 centuries ago...
Keep on wanking on about it though...Trying to mix up nationalism and religion. Fucktard
No matter how much you pathetically try to mix apples and peaches, bitch about it NI and the Malvinas is nationalism motivated. IRA vs UK was a asymetric war and 1982 was a conventional war.
How many Protestants in the IRA?
And.....how many Catholics where fighting the IRA in the British army?? More than one for sure.
Answer this idiot
From whom did the US money that went to fund the IRA terrorist activities come from??
From the Hispanic americans??
From the Polish Americans ??
Form the Italo Americans ??
No none of them, and they are all catholic
The funds came from the IRISH Americans.
ITS NATIONALISM NOT RELIGION, and it is limited to the specific geographic regions that are clashing.
If your wanking theory even held water the Germans would still be fighting each other.
I completely rest my case @302
You have the physicology of a beaten abused wifes, making up idiot pathetic excuses. The facts, the statistics and the evidence is overwhelming and the more of that I provide, the more logic I put into it the more RETARDED AND IN DENIAL YOU GUYS GET... You have no cure. You might as well recognize yourselves as already a Muslim country... Because that is it seems you want
Troy
Dec 18th, 2014 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The comparison is well made. However there are differences.
There are very few Islamic Nation states which are openly hostile to the Uk. Perhaps Iran? Certainly the democratically elected Iraqi government, the democratically elected Afghan government, the Saudi government, the Kuwaiti government, most of the UAE have excellent trade, diplomatic and business relationships.
However, just this week we have 20 Catholic nation States ganging up and lying about British subjects in the South Atlantic. Threatening embargoes and denying their human rights.
We have had a European Catholic Nation threatening British citizens in Gibraltar.
Would I sooner trust one of the Muslims from Pakistan who have come to live in the Uk, or the average Argie catholic troll on here (Marcos, Jose, Dany, Toby).
I think I know the answer!!!
306. LOL what a retard... You are being walked over in your own backyard. Raped,threatened and attacked, culturally replaced. The Saudi Prince threatens your Prime Minister in Number 10 with more attacks. The Saudis and the Iranians fund islamic schools in your country .. Yet it seems the Argentine clowns 8000 miles away are your concern!!
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Btw I dont want to ruin more of your self inflicted cool aid to make you feel better but dont forget all the Caricom countries, the G77 + China that played lip service to Timerman and CFK, ... They ain't Catholic.
It is you who are retarded....totally clueless.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, we are not being culturally replaced at all. There is a far greater influx of eastern European (Catholics predominantly) people into the Uk than Muslims.
Secondly, some Muslims are threatening us....as are some Catholics. Some other Muslims support these threats. most don't. some other Catholics support their threats too.
There are Islamic schools in the UK, there are many many more Catholic ones.
There are rapes and child molestations carried out by some Muslims. the vast majority of Muslims haven't done these things. There are rapes and child molestations carried out by Catholics...even in churches by priests...most Catholics don't do this.
As far as threats to Prime Ministers are concerned, yep....Catholics again got closest in Brighton....
So, Cabeza....I'm enjoying my cool aid thanks....for hundreds of years there have been Catholic extremists attempting terrorism, indoctrination, violence and brainwashing in the UK...they have failed. If a few Muslims (teeny tiny minority) want to have a go, I am sure we will find them just as ineffective.
You have made yourself look a total cock though....
”Firstly, we are not being culturally replaced at all. There is a far greater influx of eastern European (Catholics predominantly) people into the Uk than Muslims.“
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More facts and more statistics will keep on blowing up in your face....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783472/Soaring-immigration-sparks-British-baby-boom-London-birth-rate-capital-Europe.html
”Across the EU, the number of babies being born has dropped since the financial crash – sparking falls in population in some countries.
But the UK has bucked the trend, with soaring birth rates in London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds contributing to a boom in the number babies being born.“
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783472/Soaring-immigration-sparks-British-baby-boom-London-birth-rate-capital-Europe.html
”Figures from the Baby Centre showed that when different spellings, including Muhammad and Mohammad, are combined, it takes the top spot – up 27 places from last year.“
I think not even the Libtards can keep up this ”Catholic menace“ nonesence you are wanking yourself with... You are not even a protestant country any longer. Just 22% of the UK is Anglican.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783472/Soaring-immigration-sparks-British-baby-boom-London-birth-rate-capital-Europe.html
” There are rapes and child molestations carried out by some Muslims. the vast majority of Muslims haven't done these things. There are rapes and child molestations carried out by Catholics...even in churches by priests...most Catholics don't do this.”
You have already lost this one, why are you back at it??
Muslims are 154 times likelier to be perpetrators of these crimes thannon-Muslims.
As many as 10.000 girls who have being sistematically abused by Muslim Gangs since the 1970s and the authorities have kept quiet.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783472/Soaring-immigration-sparks-British-baby-boom-London-birth-rate-capital-Europe.html
Fuck you really are a libtard lefty fart
@307
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And before the Muslims it was the Yellow Peril or the Red Menace or the West Indians or the Jews or the Catholics .... the plain fact of the matter is that there are always people who aren't happy unless they can conjure up some extraordinary existential bogey-something hiding under the bed to get all worked up into a lather about. Curiously, it always tends to feature misogyny as well.
In the past, this sort of psychology has got really quite scary when it's been able to transform itself into a political movement. These days most people have either too many smarts, too much experience, or too much information available. All you latter-day Breivikistas have managed to come up with is an Internet hate industry making suckers out of you.
310.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you know what birth rates and immigration can do ?? Did you know that Lebanon was a Christian country when we gave them independence??
@310 Well said.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to wonder why a certain type - like CD2 - is so susceptible to nonsense and attracted to the internet hate sites? Somewhere to indulge their racism, misogyny and rape fantasies?
312.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its amazing that the more facts, statistcs and logic I provide the more stupid and retarded you get...
You can pat yourselves and the back and patt yourselves in the back, but I have wiped the floor with you libtards all along.
@311
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You certainly know how to demolish your own argument. Lebanon was surrounded by vast hordes of Muslims for literally hundred of years, it was even part of the Ottoman Empire, and it was still a Christian country by the 1940s? What on earth were these Muslims up to all these years? Asleep at the wheel or what?
In fact it wasn't a Christian country at the time of independence either, it was a multi-confessional community with a modus vivendi which was completely destabilised, not by a Muslim birthrate, but by the French incorporating large Muslim areas into their mandate when they had it, and by the arrival of hundreds of thousands of refugees driven out of their homeland by expansionist Zionist religious extremists.
Cabeza
Dec 18th, 2014 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Face facts, every single one of your flawed racist arguments have been destroyed.
You have made an utter cock of yourself.
The old Mohammed name shit.....yes Muslims like to call their sons after the prophet....a high proportion of Muslims are called Mohammed....whereas Christians have more diverse naming....hehehehehehe...what a retard spinning that old line.
Muslims less than 5% of UK population.....so what...1/20...given 2 out of 3 of our most populous colonies were Islamic it's not too surprising.
Carry on spilling you guts...and losing embarrassingly....Mohammed LOL...thought you were serious...now I know it's a wind-up.
@313
Dec 18th, 2014 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Its amazing that the more facts, statistcs and logic I provide the more stupid and retarded you get...”
Not really.
The only credible statistics you provided, from Pew, contradicted your own argument. The quality of your references went downhill all the way from there, from Brigitte Gabriel to Tom Trento to the EDL's own favourite Peter Mcloughlin. You still haven't grasped the difference between a fact, a claim, and an interpretation of a fact, and your logical skills apparently extend to denying the rape fantasies you've just expressed.
In fact pretty much all you've got going for you is stamina, but that's quite easy when you're just loading everything from ROM over and over again.
@312
There's some desperate insecurity involved, that's for sure, but what the root of that is, I don't know.
How many days 'til the TG BBC broadcast? Do you think that they'll pull a “ Sony”? Nahhhhh! LOL
Dec 19th, 2014 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0315
Dec 19th, 2014 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The old Mohammed name shit.....yes Muslims like to call their sons after the prophet....a high proportion of Muslims are called Mohammed....whereas Christians have more diverse naming....hehehehehehe...what a retard spinning that old line.”
Really, are you an expert in Muslim names or one yourself ??
Well here is more facts and numbers against your feeble hearsay. More dicks coming up your arse....
The Muslim birth rates exceed by any ammount those of the British that is a statistical FACT
They will be AT LEAST 8,1% of the total of Ppl in 15 years and that is way to positive in the best of cases.
http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-regional-europe/
And likely it is going to be much higer because considering past tendencies, so by basic extrapolation (without considering more immigrants from the Muslim World, just birth rates alone)
Between 2004 and 2008, the Muslim population of the UK grew at an annual rate of 6.7 percent, making Muslims 4 percent of the population in 2008. Extrapolating from those figures would mean that the Muslim population in 2020 would be 8 percent, 15 percent in 2030, 28 percent in 2040 and finally, in 2050, the Muslim population of the UK would exceed 50 percent of the total population.
http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-regional-europe/
You see retard that is FACT that is STATISTICS, that is LOGIC. What more made up shit are you going to invent now, retard.
Besides... why are you discusing anything. If you guys want an Islamic Caliphate why dont you just say and admit so ??
“Between 2004 and 2008, the Muslim population of the UK grew at an annual rate of 6.7 percent”
Dec 19th, 2014 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0...but it doesn't attribute this fact to births...
Muslims are a religion...were these converts, immigration...???
Likely a combination....
Also immigrants from poorer countries tend to have more children until they taste the good life and realise lots of children, cost lots of money that they could be enjoying and so the level of births drops as they become Westernised...
It's happening all over he UK....but then again...quoting from a biased spot of sensationalism from some unknown rag isn't exactly an insight into daily life in the UK.....
Do you know why I never comment about life in Argentina....because I have no experience of it and so know fcuk all about it.....
I think this might be Toby's crowning achievement. 252 comments inspired by the comments @67. Can't believe I got sucked in.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0320 Hsncntxt
Dec 19th, 2014 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Many of us just ignore him - just looking for attention, he will say anything to provoke a reaction.
@319
Dec 19th, 2014 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cabeza credula has yet to grasp the difference between “statistics” and “numbers made up by agenda-pushing whackos”.
I think we should have these conversations from time to time as it shows the likes of CD2/TTT/Think et al in all their sickening prejudice and perversion. Job done. Nothing they say here will ever be taken seriously by anyone.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 1991 the census put 60,000 Poles living in the UK, the are now around 3/4 million...by 2050 the whole world will be Polish....look official statistics extrapolated to bollocks.....
Dec 19th, 2014 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Next Romanians...that population is growing exponentially too.
Crap..how can they all be the majority in 2050?
Oh dear. Poor Cabeza he hasn't enjoyed having his indoctrination destroyed. Made him quite upset that his silly little research is flawed and pathetic.
Watch out there's a boogie man around the corner....Boo!
@324
Dec 19th, 2014 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0If we're all going to be Polish Muslims by 2050, that's going to cause consternation in the pork sausage trade.
One things for certain,
Dec 19th, 2014 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Top Gear will be shown on argy TV.
@326
Dec 19th, 2014 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0They'll probably have a violent demonstration to protest the televising of their violent demonstration.
319. It's just maths, do you need to travel to Argentina in order to do maths?? People do it all the time here when they question INDEC, number of poor, economical data all the time.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Also immigrants from poorer countries tend to have more children until they taste the good life and realise lots of children, cost lots of money that they could be enjoying and so the level of births drops as they become Westernised...”
But that is not what the statistical evidence sugests
Talking about E.U immigrants vs Muslims immigrants
The United Kingdom’s net inflow of Muslim immigrants in 2010 (64,000) was forecast to be nearly as large as France’s. More than a quarter of all immigrants to the U.K. in 2010 (28.1%) were expected to be Muslim.
http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-regional-europe/
So you may have large numbers of Poles and Estern Europeans coming in, the fact is they have very little kids in the UK themselves.
@Hamas, Elaine, MM...
The PEW RESEARCH CENTER SETS AN 94% INCREASE IN 15 YEARS TIME. I mean if you havent noticed Muslim popultion is going to be between 8- 10% in the very best case scenario
What that guy did is a basic calculation if Muslim population grew 6,7% annualy in 4 years during the last Tony Blair years well then you will have the same rates of that PRC says, but coming about 5 years earlier, in 2020... I dont know if he is a wacko or not, maybe you know him personaly ??? but he seems to have done a perfectly reasonable and common sence calculation based on correct numbers that are correct on a historical tendency.
Why are you so desperate in attacking the poor guy from just stating what it is obvious based on correct numbers??
And then you have to take into account what will happen if Turkey joins the E.U, more wars in the Middle East forcing mass migration like the Syrians, more population growth in Africa & Middle East- That is imposible to predict.
#302
Dec 19th, 2014 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, CATHOLIC IRISH AMERICANS.
Your glib replies indicate that you know next to nothing about the situation that existed. If you lived here for long enough you would note the hidden subtleties of the situation. But again why should you ?
Can I expect one of your polite replies preceded by dickhead, retard,stupid ?
You seem to think, like TTT, your intelligence and insight are FAR superior to others, Keep living the dream.
One other point. You said when WE gave the Lebanon it's independence .
Does that mean that you are French as Argentina had nothing to do with it.
329.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will gladly listen to you or take you seriously if you can prove that Catholics of NON IRISH backgrouds in Glasgow or the rest of the UK had a widespread support of the IRA and Catholic extremist dogmas. Other than that I dont understand what your point is.
40% Muslims in the UK suppor Sharia, do 40% of modern UK Catholics support the Inquisition ??
I'm not smart at all, its that Elaine, Hamas and MM are far too stupid.
They dont know how to debate, they dont know how to fact check, they dont know how to put up an argument... Why should I treat them in a respectful manner when Im providing to the table facts, statistics, logic, historical evidence and they get more and more in denial.
Otherwise their comments are based on
1) relativization of the evidence given to them
2) victimization
3) asociation with Toby or Think or “Argentina's indoctination”??
4) trashing the sources I provide
5) sucking each others arses even when they lose like mostly Elaine does “Well said” Well said” LOL
Yes I think they are retards
What the Fuck, is this thread not something to do with airing the Top Gear show at Christmas. My next door neighbour is a Muslim and practises Islam, so fucking what, nice guy do anything for me. grow up all of you. It is always the very few that spoil it for the many.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I have said earlier, I have no cure for retardness and blindness denial.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just leaving for a second the fact that you are all a bunch of libtard lefties and that a lot of Britons are retarded traitors like yourselves..... (And this is the most interesting and contradictory aspect of this from a psychological point of view).
Just answer this ; if you guys claim that everything is peaches and cream. You dont have a problem with Muslims being 154% more prone to rape and abuse schoolgirls. If you have no problem with Sharia being implemented in many parts of your country by de facto where female genital amputations, arranged marriages and honour killings are carried out. If the terror threat is under control and virtually non existent (even if there are 3 times more of them in ISIL than in the British armed forces) and they are all modern adapted British subjects.. You equate Catholicism and Christianity with Islam. If Argentina is more a concern to you than Prince Bandar in Number 10 warning Tony Blair of more attacks, if none of the many, many other fairy tales..
Just assuming you believe your own lies for a minute, why are you so bothered about Britain becoming a Muslim Caliphate??
@331 Cabeza Densa
Dec 19th, 2014 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As I have said earlier, I have no cure for retardness and blindness denial.”
I know, I know. It's tragic isn't it? Despite all your best efforts, the only logic you've been able to provide is the kind of closed loop that hatred provides to sustain itself, your sources are trash, your historical evidence is neither historical nor evidence, your statistics are absurd, your rape fantasies are sick, and foaming at the mouth is a rather poor debating strategy.
But never mind, if you can crack all that, maybe one day the nasty, nasty people will take you at your own estimation.
“I know, I know. It's tragic isn't it? Despite all your best efforts, the only logic you've been able to provide is the kind of closed loop that hatred provides to sustain itself, your sources are trash, your historical evidence is neither historical nor evidence, your statistics are absurd, your rape fantasies are sick, and foaming at the mouth is a rather poor debating strategy”
Dec 19th, 2014 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My sources I have provided so far in this thread....
Migration Watch UK
EU Commission’s annual statistics release
Pew research center
MI5
Stratfor
I dont know who Peter McLoughlin is but here are his sources in a very detailed and very rich in data PDF.
UK papers (both left and right) and governmental sources
The Times
Telegraph
BBC
DM
Even the guardian
SundayTimes
childrenscommissioner.gov.uk
nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk
publications.parliament.uk
Bernardo's
and so many more, its all there well registered.
And who have you provided so far ??? HamasNiesund???
http://www.islamophobia.org/about.html
A watchdog that is made specifically to demonize with hearsay people like Tom Trento. As he being convicted of any crime, hate speech ???
http://www.islamophobia.org/about.html ( Just look at the home of this site) imbbeded under the title of the site Anti semitic garbage
“the moooslems, they are heeere”
Other notorious titles of these bloggers include
“Stop Asking Muslims to Condemn Terrorism. It’s bigoted and Islamophobic.”
“Zionist Zuhdi Jasser Shills For “StandWithUs”–Again”
As you can see Mr Jew hating NAZI WANKER (cause I have know all along you are one) my sources are far more credible, succinit, accurate and to the point than yours by light years...
I cant believe people are spilling blood for sub human trash as yourself
@334
Dec 19th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're seriously off your trolley. You haven't even provided half the sources you're complaining to have provided, and the MI5 one for instance had nothing to do with your main thesis about Islamic extremism.
The only creditable sources you did provide were Pew, which actually said the reverse of what you claimed it said, and a couple of newspaper reports which may well be factual but don't support the conclusions you're drawing from them. All the rest, when you weren't just making it up (200 million Muslim extremists) was just regurgitated from hate sites and hate mongers, plus a couple of youtubes I haven't bothered with.
In further proof that logic isn't your strong suit, it's not very clever to call somebody both a Nazi and a sub-human in the same breath, it suggests a certain confusion as to what a Nazi actually is, and as to who might actually be one.
Wow @334 I hope you are ready to own your insults. People have been prosecuted for less. The days of online - say what you want - are long behind us.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0335.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You haven't even provided half the sources you're complaining to have provided.....”
You are so incompitent, do you want me to wipe your arse as well ?
That is because you having being reading the sources within the sources I have provided for example Migration Watch UK & EU Commission’s annual statistics release
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783472/Soaring-immigration-sparks-British-baby-boom-London-birth-rate-capital-Europe.html
But that is just one example.
Pew says 8,2% to 10% in 2030. What is wrong with you idiot...And Trento's statistics of what Muslims all over the world think Is based on Pew research as well as Gallup.
Besides Its common sense that when you mix up two populations one in decline with collapsing birth rates and one with positive vigorous birth rates the one will simply outbreed and replace the other. If the UK is going to be the most populous country in 2050 with 80 million where are teh 20 million extra going to come from if native Britions dont reproduce and will certainly die out???
Nobody is actually sayng this is not going to happen. Only the BBC did back in 2009 in reply to Eurabia and since it has gone quiet with the updates of the numbers.
Why dont you provide “your sources other than Jewish hating NAZI- MUSLIM UTTER CRAP YOU SPOUT ???
What dont you say how many Muslims will there be in 2030 ??
Why dont you make an estimate of how many does this ”small fringe of extremist actually consists of”?
We thinks the BBC will be top gearing the south Atlantic...lol
Dec 19th, 2014 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for babies==BABIES==yes,
remember the Normans may have conquered us ,
but rather than beating them or kicking them out,
we waited for the babies,/children/adults,
We assimilated them,==and thus we bred them out, all babies were thus British..lololol
meaning all children born in the uk, rather than foreign, they will in fact be British.
just a silly Christmas thought..
Merry Xmas
@337
Dec 19th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for confirming what I said.
But what's this? We're back to 8.2% by 2030, now, I thought bids had reached 50% and an Islamic Caliphate by 2050? Those Muslims are going to have their work cut out between 2030 and 2050, that's for sure. And in the space of 20 years, Brits are going to stop reproducing and die out? Is there going to be some radical transformation in British biology, perhaps, like a dramatic drop in life span? Or is it going to be just fundamental human urges that change? How is that going to come about? OMG! Are the Muslims going to put something in the water? Surely not the BEER? AAAAARG!
Almost had me worried there, till I remembered some basic biology and what not. It also turns out this absurd scare mongering has all been comprehensively debunked more than once, and I am sure you could find it for yourself if you weren't spending all your time soliciting confirmation bias on hate sites. But here’s another one among the nobodies who says it’s not going to happen anyway.
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690
(I think I gave you this once before, by the way, try reading it this time)
Yes, they are using the same numbers I have provided from Pew Research Center, but they have interpreted them wrong.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It ends “FactCheck wouldn’t bet on the British Muslim population ever topping 10 per cent, let alone 50 per cent”
Dude, already 10% of British school kids are Muslims!!!! FAIL
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/14/muslim-council-attacks-school-history-proposals
LOL, and you made such a fuss when I extracted a comment out of a blog, now you provide a one from a blog yoursef ??
Get it into your head 8,2% in 15 years is a very give away prospect, you dont even know the ammount of ilegals that dont come up on the statistics
Vincent's projections are based on historical trends but he also said it is possible that birth rates fall, etc but if you continue to use the actual trends that have existed for more than 50 years, you conclude:
So you have a base of 8,2% and a roof of 15% of total ppl in 15 years time. The point is if by 2030 you are closer to Muslim being 15% than 8% of total population then you clearly will be a Muslim country before 2050
50,000 muslims in 1961
2.9 million in 2011
in 50 years the ppl has grown 5800%, it is an exponential function
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/14/muslim-council-attacks-school-history-proposals
In either case its a matter of “when”, not of “ifs” that Britain will become a islamic country.
@340 Why do you hate muslims so much?
Dec 19th, 2014 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0341.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont hate the Muslims. I even even have a drop of Aglerian blood in me
@340
Dec 19th, 2014 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL, do you have need to have a simple point tattooed on your forehead with a rusty nail before it sinks in? Human birth rates are not an exponential function. And have you ever even heard of gestation and sexual maturity? In the 200+years Muslims have been in the UK, they've reached 4% of the population, and now in 35 years they're going to make that 50%? Are they going to have bigger litters, do you think, while everybody else turns celibate?
Did you see the rather perplexing news today, by the way, with the Muslim Kurds rescuing the remaining infidel Yazidis and driving back the Muslim extremist ISIS. That's a rather curious way for the Muslim hordes to be going about getting a Muslim Caliphate going, wouldn't you say?
@342 O.K., TTT, you told us that before, but it doesn't explain your ranting about muslims.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@344
Dec 19th, 2014 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He can stop worrying anyway, we'll most likely be saved from oblivion by myxomatosis.
@345 LOL! It is TTT ranting for attention. He hates everyone but most of all himself. He once pretended to be an Algerian salesman on here. What a complicated person he is.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0343.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That Muslims had nominal precense in the British Isles is not relevant.
Do you know how to interpret graphs, basic functions, maths, statistics, etc?
The population growth of Muslims in the last 50 years is clearly of a exponential function, just look at the graphs
http://www.brin.ac.uk/figures/
1961 % total of total UK population
Muslims 0,11%
Hindu 0,06%
Sikh 0,01%
2001 % of total UK population
Muslims 3,07%
Hindu 1,08%
Sikh 0,46%
Interesting. Because India with a much larger population than former commonwealth Muslim countries combined, very similar socio economical standards, and from very similar beginings in input into a country, Muslim increase in population by far triples that of the Hindus in the firsts 40 years.
@246
Dec 19th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A pied noir size 50? That could explain a lot. I bet once in a mosque they asked him to leave his shoes on.
OK, I will leave you guys to console yourselves.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love the smell of roasted and pounded Libtards in the mornings.
@348
Dec 19th, 2014 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean, you can understand how an event like that could push somebody over the brink. Take Sideshow Bob, for example.
@350 He can't help but reveal himself. I have never known him be right about anything.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@351
Dec 19th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Skedaddled pretty quick after you raised the point too.
CD
Dec 20th, 2014 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Christian children outnumber Muslim children in the UK by 6 to 1. So while I accept that the rate of increase in the population share of Muslims has increased in the last 40 years, it started from almost zero and thus current exponential growth could easily go sigmoidal within the next 20-30 years and thus never go above, say 20% overall. Since only a minority of British Muslims don't adhere to British values and democracy then I still don't know why this is such an obsession of the Daily Mail and yourself. There will be no sharia state in the next 100 years, so why pick on people who are not calling for one but who happen to be co-religionists of those who do?
At the end of the day,
Dec 20th, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we are all human beings,,, are we not ??
Back on topic:
Dec 20th, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alicia Castro has switched tactics - now she is trying to trade soy to North Korea in return for them hacking the BBC !!
Clarkson's talking it up again in the Sunday Times, “saying the footage of the attack to be screened next weekend was “gruesome”, with attackers coming in waves as in John Carpenter’s 1976 fictional portrayal of a police station under siege from armed gangs.”
Dec 21st, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/People/article1498777.ece
353.@Red
Dec 21st, 2014 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 040% of UK Muslim wants Sharia law implemented. There is billions of fundamentalist Muslims all over the world. It might become “sigmoid”, but so far compared to other immigration groups to the UK like Hindus and Sikhs, Muslims are still exponentially growing. Besides you must remember that the category non-Muslim also incorporates the birth rates of Hindus, Sikhs, latams, Eastern Europeans. And remember the birth rates of Muslims are expected to still be 2.5 in 2020-2030.
The only thing that can stop the UK from becoming Muslim is another economic crisis, this time unprecedented that takes the EU with it, and force a social clash. I don’t see any will of Europeans of having a real honest discussion about it, hence the numbers don’t lie.
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