The first Latin American pope in history sent letters to Obama, Raúl Castro and brokered negotiations which ended up in Wednesday's announcement that both countries are to resume full ties. Read full article
Chuckle...
Born Jorge Mario Bergoglio in Buenos Aires, exactly 78 years ago on Wednesday, he became the first Latin American Head of the Catholic church on March 13, 2013. He was given a tango dance birthday party at St Peter's Square,
It has NOTHING to do with Argentina, or bring Argentine.
Francis was morally and ethically at odds with the government of Arg, until CFK saw a propaganda value in him when he was appointed Pope.
What a load of balls MercoPress. That is Argie propaganda and lies LOL! As if Obama and Castro could care what this old fool can say... PMSL It was predicted in June this current year that Cuba would re engage in diplomacy with the US. They had no more garantee the Venezuelans could keep on sending cheap oil and U$$... Geopolitics, not the disgusting KK Pope
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Look at min 7 something of the embedded video . That was back in June when this was predicted would happen and perhaps these conversations where being held between Washington and the Cuban dictatorship before this Pope was even appointed
U.S. President Barack Obama thanked Pope Francis in a nationally televised address Wednesday for help the pope gave in facilitating the beginning of normalization in relations between the United States and Cuba
I didn't see on the CNN link Obama mentioning the Pope. And that is diplomatic crap and pleasentries. This is geopolitics, are you seriously that stupid and argentimierda consumer that you think that Castro cant pick up a phone or use a sourse to plea to Obama and that he needs the Commie Pope?? . These conversations have being existing even before the he was appointed and the approach of Cuba with the US was predicted in June by intelligence analysts.
8 CabezaHueca2 (#)
No mention of the Pope by Obama
In a press conference on Wednesday, which also happens to be the pope's 78th birthday, President Obama credited Francis for his influential personal plea and thanked him for his moral example.
In particular, I want to thank his Holiness Pope Francis, whose moral example shows us the importance of pursuing the world as it should be, rather than simply settling for the world as it is”
After all Cuba is just another part of the kiddie fiddler church's evil empire of failes states except that its not only kept in the dark ages by backwards morality but by a brutal dynasty of dictators. A state of affairs that other South American nations are rapidly moving towards.
Obama got this one seriously wrong. Americans may get plenty more cheap cigars and rum but it will only lead to serious headaches.
#17 it should not matter whom we have diplomatic relations with when you talk to the Saudi's and the Chin.....Cuba is nothing in comparison. With Saudi Wahhabism that puts women in jail for driving, still decapitates people, denies women from driving and there is NO freedom of the press.
There are those Americans crying foul of the nationalization of the American corporations. Fuck them........as a soldiers and citizen they've fucker me for long enough yb....get over it. Cuba if far less less than our current bed mates.
Sounds strange hearing Raul Castro claiming that the negotiations need to include the lifting of the economic, comercial and financial embargo, because this has 'hurt' the island - wasn't it the Castro brothers that , in all their wisdom, implemented communism in Cuba, and wanted nothing to do with the US ?? But, if they want to negotiate towards that goal, it might be a good idea to first hand back the freedom they stole from the Cuban people, back in 1959.
Otherwise, f*ck the two tinpot dictators.
Poor people...survivors of an old era, ranting about how the world does not, strangely, go their way...that of the dodo. Wake up and smell the flowers, please! Good things are happening and we Latin Americans are celebrating...the U.S. is finally coming back to where it all started 50 years ago!
I do not think that Cuba will be dictating much or anything to the USA. The can demand what they want and Obama can initiate all he wishes. However, lifting the embargo will literally take an act of Congress. In a month both houses will be Republican controlled. And they will not enact this or anything unless a Republican brought it up. Obama can suggest eliminate all income taxes and it would stand a snowballs chance in hell in the summer of getting through.
Oh yes, they all come back to the money in the end, ALL the commie bastards.
THAT is what this love-fest on behalf of the Castros (if the twat Fidel is still alive) is all about.
As for the argie pope: concentrate on your own problems in the so called church of god and start giving all the ill begotten assets away like a good Christian should.
Hopefully the two Cuban Dodos will soon slip into extinction in a haze of cigar smoke and rum and the Cuban people will be released from the communist yoke. At the same time Argentina and Venezuala slip further down into the slough of despair… .
The first thing most likely to open is USA tourism. Cuba cannot even handle the level of tourism they have now.....shortagae of sugar (In Cuba the land of sugar.....the like oil shortage in venezuela) shortage of food, gasoline, electricity, medical supplies. The usual stuff the is in short supply in commie countries. How will the handle the influx?
Being Studebaker's and Hudson's are the number one car's in Cuba this day and age (last made about 65 years ago)., they can use them as taxis.
Cuba, I'm sure, would welcome US tourists - it would be the lifeblood of their economy.
The tourism industry is well served by partnerships with Italian and Spanish tourist resort companies like IberoStar in partnership with the Cuban gov't of course.
The all-inclusives can be very nice, but not on the same scale as the Mexican Rivera, with their sprawling grounds and their own shopping concourses.
As you said though, food has been the real problem - 8 or 9 years ago, it was hard to find presentable food at those resorts - mostly rice and beans. Beef was a rare commodity on the islands. Much of it was kept by the government to service the tourist industry, but it was usually dry and tough.
The locals fished or raised chickens, if they could. My scuba guides lived on lobsters and that's how they fed their families. They even eat the poisonous Lion Fish which is quite good with melted butter.
Things were quite a bit better when I last went,a couple of years ago - the food at my resort was up to standards of food I've had in Spain, and in the last Mexican resort I visited - the service in Cuba was far better and friendlier.
Ironically, I think the best steak I ever had, was in Havana!!
We were travelling with an Irish couple we met from Dublin. They had a place in Cannes and ran a high end French restaurant in Dunlin.
We went out in search of a good dinner one night and stumbled across a place near our hotel, the Nacional.
It was full of locals, well dressed families, an elegant room.
We all agreed our steaks and fillets were excellent, and the price extremely reasonable for us, including wine and cocktails. We were talking about it for days after.
That being said, there are shortages.
To go night diving, we had to agree to bring our own flashlight batteries.
None were to be had on the Cuban resort Island we were staying on.
I had to buy some on the black market, through a fellow at the hotel. It was all very cloak & dagger.
#23 Chris
Chris is asking that Argentines start giving all the ill begotten assets away.
He is probably ranting again about Argentina paying Paul Singer's 1,300 per cent profit on junk bonds he bought for pennies after the country's 2001 default.
Well Chris, watch my lips: It ain't happen. Argentina is now independent and old fart NY judges doth not make la pluie et le beau temps. There may be negotiations and Singer and friends may get what's reasonable--about 30 per cent, just like most Argentina's creditors.
“As for the argie pope: concentrate on your own problems in the so called “church of god” and start giving all the ill begotten assets away like a good Christian should.”
Which bit of this statement of mine mentions TDC? Answer: NONE, you idiota.
The POPE is the one who should be giving the ‘ill gotten assets’ presently in the vaults of the Vatican away FFS!
Anyway I would imagine TMBOA has already HAD the assets off all the argie churches: she is so poor you know.
I knew you were a plonker from all your lies that you have sucked up from TMB, but the FACTS of your usual trick of never paying your debts are a matter of record. If I were you I would go back to school and learn to read. Oh! Sorry, nobody learns anything but lies in an argie school do they?
Troy.......we are their last shot. But......as I always had said when they demand we open trade.......we have the right to pick and choose whom we do business with. But the USA is really their last hope as Venezuela cannot support themselves let alone the rest of the latam communist empire.
We will demand what we have with Vietnam when they wanted out markets. The the workers get substantionally more than the 5% of their wages the commie regimes was allowing them to keep. Can you imagine only keeping 5% of your salary? And in Cuba the normal wage is U$20 a months.....66 cents a day. Have you seen where Fidel and Raul lives? Fidel is a billionaire. Perhaps he will pay the American businesses assets that he stole. That is the major spoiler for this diplomacy to work....restitution.
A nice bit of diplomacy, on the part of Obama - just being generous.
This has been on Obama's agenda for a long time.
Perhaps it is useful for Castro to tell his people and the 'Chavs', that he is softening his anti-US stance despite his own previous rhetoric, because he has been asked personally by the Pontiff.
Good face-saving propaganda, when he knows his back is against the wall, as the Venezuelan oil is uncertain or no longer available!!
Enrique,
for all we know, you and Marcos are just a matching pair of socks on different feet!
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Disclaimer & comment rulesChuckle...
Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Born Jorge Mario Bergoglio in Buenos Aires, exactly 78 years ago on Wednesday, he became the first Latin American Head of the Catholic church on March 13, 2013. He was given a tango dance birthday party at St Peter's Square,
It has NOTHING to do with Argentina, or bring Argentine.
Francis was morally and ethically at odds with the government of Arg, until CFK saw a propaganda value in him when he was appointed Pope.
What a load of balls MercoPress. That is Argie propaganda and lies LOL! As if Obama and Castro could care what this old fool can say... PMSL It was predicted in June this current year that Cuba would re engage in diplomacy with the US. They had no more garantee the Venezuelans could keep on sending cheap oil and U$$... Geopolitics, not the disgusting KK Pope
Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCxOZHWLOl0
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Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0That was my first reaction!
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Dec 18th, 2014 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look at min 7 something of the embedded video . That was back in June when this was predicted would happen and perhaps these conversations where being held between Washington and the Cuban dictatorship before this Pope was even appointed
Great job Pope Francisco!
Dec 18th, 2014 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pope Francis Is Credited With a Crucial Role in U.S.-Cuba Agreement
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/americas/breakthrough-on-cuba-highlights-popes-role-as-diplomatic-broker.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/americas/breakthrough-on-cuba-highlights-popes-role-as-diplomatic-broker.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/americas/breakthrough-on-cuba-highlights-popes-role-as-diplomatic-broker.html?_r=0
The Pope's Diplomatic Miracle: Ending the U.S.-Cuba Cold War
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/americas/breakthrough-on-cuba-highlights-popes-role-as-diplomatic-broker.html?_r=0
A dick @5
Dec 18th, 2014 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pope plays key role in historic Cuba deal
Dec 18th, 2014 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/17/politics/pope-cuba/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
Free Palestine
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/17/politics/pope-cuba/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
No mention of the Pope by Obama. Only Castro mentioned him jajajajajaaja dejen de vender humo con el papa del orto, viejo puto ese.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 07 Mike Bingham
Dec 18th, 2014 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0That Pope is amazing and now he's CFK's BFF
Mike,
Can you ask your Pope to visit the Ukraine or talk to ISIS for us.???
CabezaHueca
Dec 18th, 2014 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Obama and Raúl Castro thank pope for breakthrough in US-Cuba relations
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/17/us-cuba-diplomatic-relations-obama-raul-castro
U.S. President Barack Obama thanked Pope Francis in a nationally televised address Wednesday for help the pope gave in facilitating the beginning of normalization in relations between the United States and Cuba
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/17/us-cuba-diplomatic-relations-obama-raul-castro
I didn't see on the CNN link Obama mentioning the Pope. And that is diplomatic crap and pleasentries. This is geopolitics, are you seriously that stupid and argentimierda consumer that you think that Castro cant pick up a phone or use a sourse to plea to Obama and that he needs the Commie Pope?? . These conversations have being existing even before the he was appointed and the approach of Cuba with the US was predicted in June by intelligence analysts.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0But time and time again, you were proven wrong.
Not true, Im right and I still think you are stupid.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0At the 7th minute predicted by the hot chick, not a mention of your communist Pope, back in June
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCxOZHWLOl0
Care less
8 CabezaHueca2 (#)
Dec 18th, 2014 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0No mention of the Pope by Obama
In a press conference on Wednesday, which also happens to be the pope's 78th birthday, President Obama credited Francis for his influential personal plea and thanked him for his moral example.
In particular, I want to thank his Holiness Pope Francis, whose moral example shows us the importance of pursuing the world as it should be, rather than simply settling for the world as it is”
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-gets-birthday-gift-cuba-deal-183353122--politics.html
Time and time again, you were proven wrong.
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Dec 18th, 2014 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the field of Vatican diplomacy, there is nothing new under the Sun!
Dec 18th, 2014 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
After all Cuba is just another part of the kiddie fiddler church's evil empire of failes states except that its not only kept in the dark ages by backwards morality but by a brutal dynasty of dictators. A state of affairs that other South American nations are rapidly moving towards.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Obama got this one seriously wrong. Americans may get plenty more cheap cigars and rum but it will only lead to serious headaches.
I wonder what VeneCuba thinks about their friends cozying up to the Evil Capitalists? No mention of that anywhere...yet.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0#17 it should not matter whom we have diplomatic relations with when you talk to the Saudi's and the Chin.....Cuba is nothing in comparison. With Saudi Wahhabism that puts women in jail for driving, still decapitates people, denies women from driving and there is NO freedom of the press.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are those Americans crying foul of the nationalization of the American corporations. Fuck them........as a soldiers and citizen they've fucker me for long enough yb....get over it. Cuba if far less less than our current bed mates.
Sounds strange hearing Raul Castro claiming that the negotiations need to include the lifting of the economic, comercial and financial embargo, because this has 'hurt' the island - wasn't it the Castro brothers that , in all their wisdom, implemented communism in Cuba, and wanted nothing to do with the US ?? But, if they want to negotiate towards that goal, it might be a good idea to first hand back the freedom they stole from the Cuban people, back in 1959.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Otherwise, f*ck the two tinpot dictators.
Poor people...survivors of an old era, ranting about how the world does not, strangely, go their way...that of the dodo. Wake up and smell the flowers, please! Good things are happening and we Latin Americans are celebrating...the U.S. is finally coming back to where it all started 50 years ago!
Dec 18th, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not think that Cuba will be dictating much or anything to the USA. The can demand what they want and Obama can initiate all he wishes. However, lifting the embargo will literally take an act of Congress. In a month both houses will be Republican controlled. And they will not enact this or anything unless a Republican brought it up. Obama can suggest eliminate all income taxes and it would stand a snowballs chance in hell in the summer of getting through.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yes, they all come back to the money in the end, ALL the commie bastards.
Dec 18th, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THAT is what this love-fest on behalf of the Castros (if the twat Fidel is still alive) is all about.
As for the argie pope: concentrate on your own problems in the so called church of god and start giving all the ill begotten assets away like a good Christian should.
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Dec 18th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor people...survivors of an old era, ranting about how the world does not, strangely, go their way...
It's clearly not what you meant, you pathetic politically correct a.hole, but unwittingly you've just described the two Cuban idiots down to a 'T'.
Hopefully the two Cuban Dodos will soon slip into extinction in a haze of cigar smoke and rum and the Cuban people will be released from the communist yoke. At the same time Argentina and Venezuala slip further down into the slough of despair… .
Dec 18th, 2014 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The first thing most likely to open is USA tourism. Cuba cannot even handle the level of tourism they have now.....shortagae of sugar (In Cuba the land of sugar.....the like oil shortage in venezuela) shortage of food, gasoline, electricity, medical supplies. The usual stuff the is in short supply in commie countries. How will the handle the influx?
Dec 19th, 2014 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Being Studebaker's and Hudson's are the number one car's in Cuba this day and age (last made about 65 years ago)., they can use them as taxis.
Capt Poppy
Dec 19th, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cuba, I'm sure, would welcome US tourists - it would be the lifeblood of their economy.
The tourism industry is well served by partnerships with Italian and Spanish tourist resort companies like IberoStar in partnership with the Cuban gov't of course.
The all-inclusives can be very nice, but not on the same scale as the Mexican Rivera, with their sprawling grounds and their own shopping concourses.
As you said though, food has been the real problem - 8 or 9 years ago, it was hard to find presentable food at those resorts - mostly rice and beans. Beef was a rare commodity on the islands. Much of it was kept by the government to service the tourist industry, but it was usually dry and tough.
The locals fished or raised chickens, if they could. My scuba guides lived on lobsters and that's how they fed their families. They even eat the poisonous Lion Fish which is quite good with melted butter.
Things were quite a bit better when I last went,a couple of years ago - the food at my resort was up to standards of food I've had in Spain, and in the last Mexican resort I visited - the service in Cuba was far better and friendlier.
Ironically, I think the best steak I ever had, was in Havana!!
We were travelling with an Irish couple we met from Dublin. They had a place in Cannes and ran a high end French restaurant in Dunlin.
We went out in search of a good dinner one night and stumbled across a place near our hotel, the Nacional.
It was full of locals, well dressed families, an elegant room.
We all agreed our steaks and fillets were excellent, and the price extremely reasonable for us, including wine and cocktails. We were talking about it for days after.
That being said, there are shortages.
To go night diving, we had to agree to bring our own flashlight batteries.
None were to be had on the Cuban resort Island we were staying on.
I had to buy some on the black market, through a fellow at the hotel. It was all very cloak & dagger.
#23 Chris
Dec 19th, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chris is asking that Argentines start giving all the ill begotten assets away.
He is probably ranting again about Argentina paying Paul Singer's 1,300 per cent profit on junk bonds he bought for pennies after the country's 2001 default.
Well Chris, watch my lips: It ain't happen. Argentina is now independent and old fart NY judges doth not make la pluie et le beau temps. There may be negotiations and Singer and friends may get what's reasonable--about 30 per cent, just like most Argentina's creditors.
@ 28 Enrique Massot
Dec 19th, 2014 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As for the argie pope: concentrate on your own problems in the so called “church of god” and start giving all the ill begotten assets away like a good Christian should.”
Which bit of this statement of mine mentions TDC? Answer: NONE, you idiota.
The POPE is the one who should be giving the ‘ill gotten assets’ presently in the vaults of the Vatican away FFS!
Anyway I would imagine TMBOA has already HAD the assets off all the argie churches: she is so poor you know.
I knew you were a plonker from all your lies that you have sucked up from TMB, but the FACTS of your usual trick of never paying your debts are a matter of record. If I were you I would go back to school and learn to read. Oh! Sorry, nobody learns anything but lies in an argie school do they?
Troy.......we are their last shot. But......as I always had said when they demand we open trade.......we have the right to pick and choose whom we do business with. But the USA is really their last hope as Venezuela cannot support themselves let alone the rest of the latam communist empire.
Dec 19th, 2014 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will demand what we have with Vietnam when they wanted out markets. The the workers get substantionally more than the 5% of their wages the commie regimes was allowing them to keep. Can you imagine only keeping 5% of your salary? And in Cuba the normal wage is U$20 a months.....66 cents a day. Have you seen where Fidel and Raul lives? Fidel is a billionaire. Perhaps he will pay the American businesses assets that he stole. That is the major spoiler for this diplomacy to work....restitution.
30 Capt. Poppy,
Dec 19th, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the whole - a very nice people in Cuba, but everyone has to deal on the black market to survive.
Their pride is deeply wounded, you can tell.
The Soviets subsidised them greatly - Cubans tell me that Cuba was a great place to live under the Sobiets.
They felt very angry snd betrayed when they slipped out in the night, one day in '89.
Cuba was starving, and only produced 15% of the oil they needed.
I am I will visit one day. He men way loved it.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uh uh...Marcos Alejandro 1, Cabeza hueca 0. (sorry, I mean Cabeza Dura) 0.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos Alejandro overwhelms C. Dura with solid arguments backed up with facts.
C. Dura loses it, and his next comment gets removed. (#15).
Well done, Alejandro.
33 Enrique - refugee from Arg
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos A. overwhelms ... with solid argument...
Oh, puh-leaze!!
A nice bit of diplomacy, on the part of Obama - just being generous.
This has been on Obama's agenda for a long time.
Perhaps it is useful for Castro to tell his people and the 'Chavs', that he is softening his anti-US stance despite his own previous rhetoric, because he has been asked personally by the Pontiff.
Good face-saving propaganda, when he knows his back is against the wall, as the Venezuelan oil is uncertain or no longer available!!
Enrique,
for all we know, you and Marcos are just a matching pair of socks on different feet!
Troy I meant Hemenway.......gotta lobe the phones autocorrect.......lol.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Troy Cuba is the beginning of the end of the short lived SA commie movement. The Bus Driver will not complete his term in office.....watch and wait.
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