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Alicia Castro optimistic Argentina will exert sovereignty over Falklands
The Argentine ambassador in London also accused PM Cameron's government of 'celebrating war' with Thatcher statue. Read full article
The Argentine ambassador in London also accused PM Cameron's government of 'celebrating war' with Thatcher statue. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYou madame are an utter imbecile, if those are your actual words about the war.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will apologize if Mercorpress somehow “mistranslated” your declaratives. Thank you.
“I found Cristina’s reflection very wise”
Dec 20th, 2014 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cabin crew cross check...................................................................
Ginger, your barmy, went to join the army, got knocked out by a bottle of stout… .
Dec 20th, 2014 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not really ginger, but barking mad. Shes perfect as an Argy ambassador though.
Top Gear, An Island Parish, a contrast to the Zimbabwe of SA…
“...they will grant a medal to inhabitants there for their resistance against the Argentine Republic. That is a celebration of war.”
Dec 20th, 2014 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously? It's a celebration of RESISTANCE! Doesn't anyone edit this woman's speeches before she inflicts them on the world?
Don't they celebrate losing the Falklands War every year?
Dec 20th, 2014 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0% Elaine- Spot On - They celebrate the day they started a war every year - the war they then thankfully promptly lost due 100% to their own stupidity.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on Paulecdron and others - How come you lot celebrate 2nd April each hear without it being a celebration of war? You know - the day your lot shattered a peaceful community with a large scale military invasion - gunfire and civilian property destruction?
Lol. Pay you debts rotting road kill.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, it good to always look on the bright side, I will give her that (every time I do the Lottery I am optimistic I am going to win, I know where she is coming from).
Dec 20th, 2014 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Presumably if Argentina put a professional diplomat in charge in London, he or she would simply refuse to read out incoherent speeches like these. By not putting a professional in charge one can only conclude that Argentina has given up on getting negotiations, let alone sovereignty of the islands and will settle instead for showing that it can insult the UK on a regular basis without getting slapped. It would be interesting to know whether K supporters are impressed with this because they think it means they are being taken seriously as a nation, or, whether even they realise that they get ignored because they are so impotent. For a nation so obsessed with saving face, isn't it about time that, diplomatically speaking, they pulled their trousers back up and got down off the restaurant table?
Dec 20th, 2014 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 6 Islander1
Dec 20th, 2014 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“They celebrate the day they started a war every year - the war they then thankfully promptly lost due 100% to their own stupidity.”
REALLY?
What about The Blessed Margaret sending the FI Task Force 8,000 miles (12,800 Km for the argie numbnuts) and the deaths that arised from THEM freeing you from the Junta?
I think you ought to reconsider YOUR stupidity.
How many other Islanders agree with Islander1?
Words, briefings, opinions and “yearnings” are cheap.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only way Argentina will get their mits on the Falklands is by military force, to do that they will need a viable army, a reasonable airforce, a powerful navy and a return to Military rule.
Falklands will never be given up without a serious fight.
@9 Redrow - genuinely laughed out loud at that! Just wish I knew someone in the FCO so I could email them a link. I'm sure it would make its way round the office pretty quickly! :)
Dec 20th, 2014 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0ChrisR...I am not sure Islander1 was belittling what the forces did to liberate the Islands, think you misinterpreted his comments some what.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Santa baby, put the Falklands sovereignty under the tree for me, been an aweful good girl.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trouble is they have been very very naughty and we all know what that means kids!
What an absolute dishonest tink Castro really is.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chicken or pasta?
Delusional
Dec 20th, 2014 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 13 Buzzsaw
Dec 20th, 2014 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I very much hope you are correct.
BUT as the reader I have to take what is written as what was intended: “promptly lost due 100% to their own stupidity” doesn't leave any room for doubt.
To paraphrase Mandy Rice Davis...“She would say that, wouldn't she ”
Dec 20th, 2014 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 010 ChrisR
Dec 20th, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their stupidity was in starting the war in the first place, and then completely misjudging both British resolve and Islanders' resistance. No-one fails to recognise the role of either Thatcher or the British forces, so don't try to start a flame war over this.
A little bird told me that the foreign office gather around to laugh at her next press release... she is hugh source of entertainment !
Dec 20th, 2014 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alicia Castro says “The Holy Father vindicates dialogue between Argentina and the United Kingdom”. Until the Holy Father actually says this in a public statement we can only assume that this stupid woman is a LIAR as well as all the other epithets she receives.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alicia Castro you are without any doubt a full, total, complete, utter, absolute, thorough, out-and-out, outright, all-out, sheer, perfectly rank, consummate, arrant, rank, unmitigated, qualified, unreserved and categorical class one 404.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was stupid to invade in 1982 and it would be even more stupid to invade now.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But just to be on the safe side, would be good to see more naval and airforce assets sent to the Falklands Islands.
Couldn't care less about Syria, Ukraine, Kosova, Lybia, Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan.
Falkland Islands however are sacred British territory and must be defended to the last, including, if necessary, the use of our nuclear deterrent. Those Argentinians that survive could go and live in Chile or Brazil.
#23 Nuclear weapons poison the ground with radioactive fallout and should only be used on Argentina if we have no practical way of liberating the islands.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, my point of no relations ever with the UK has been validated in this thread. Thank you.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the woman once again proves she is not good enough to even ask “chicken or pasta”
Dec 20th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Celebrating resistance is not celebrating war. But hang on, didn't the Argentine armed forces recreate the invasion of a peaceful island? Now that is a celebration of war.
Also, think about the athlete who acted disrespectfully on a war memorial, isn't that a form of incitement, as many would have happily hamstrung him for doing so.
Finally, calling the islands a fake name and making up lies about history, isn't that incitement to violence and disrespectful.
Phew, list started, many more things to mention such as blockades, theft of fish etc but we have heard it all before
The islands belong to the islanders, and will never be argentinian unless the islanders want it, and that will never happen while they are constantly bullying them.
Anyway, pass me the popcorn, i'm waiting on the top gear Christmas special. Apparently it has some 3rd world country attacking a peaceful film crew and making up lies for the newspapers like the one about upset veterans when the mob were mainly around 30 years old, therefore, unless Argentina were recruiting foetuses and 5 year old children, they lies again to the press
If Argentina invaded a second time we would need to make sure the lesson was finally and completely learned.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We should announce a full scale and total war on the Republic of Argentina.
Every single civilian, military, government and social target should be assessed for maximum impact.
A full scale nuclear attack, with Beunos Aires as the First target.
There would not be a third attack...ever....the world Malvinas would be a synonym for destruction, devastation and genocide.
Hopefully Ms Castro this is clear...and your “optimism” is clarified.
There will be no 2nd war. There will never be amicable relations between us either. I am making sure EVERY single person I know reads the British posters' on this thread.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28
Dec 20th, 2014 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What? All two of them, Christ we are shit scared LMFAO
“...will ”exert“ Sovereignty over the Falklands” (Exert...) No colonialist thinking there, then.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rotting roadkill: Shoot or shut up.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that a European Greek Greek or an Argentinian Greek, I'm confused? His comment sounds like “I'm going to tell teacher, or my Mum!”
Dec 20th, 2014 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alicia's diplomatic skills remind me of one Frank Spencer! The best bit was when they recreated the invasion of the Falklands… .but they only had canoes! What a comedy? Rather than get annoyed at her barmy comments she should be encouraged, she ranks with the two Ronnies or Morecombe and Wise. Perhaps they should book her for the Apollo?
# 29
Dec 20th, 2014 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One is his psychoanalyst and the other the voice in our dearest Giorgio head.
@5. Trouble is that they don't go far enough. Perhaps if they were to 'sacrifice' 649 'veterans' every year?
Dec 20th, 2014 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17. Come now, don't be so harsh. Think it through. Argieland thought it could put the argie 'navy' up against the Royal Navy, the argie air force and naval aviation against the Royal Air Force and the argie army against the British Army and Royal Marines. Doesn't that qualify as stupidity? The argie air contingent lost 100 aircraft to 'enemy' action. The British lost 9. Doesn't that say something?
@23. I can fully agree with you about use of British nuclear weapons. After all, when something reckons it can attack something of ours because we have to travel 20 times as far, we should use something to 'level' the playing field. Do not be concerned. The new RAF Voyager tanker/transport aircraft can transport 291 troops and their equipment AND refuel 4 Typhoons en-route with no stops. We have NINE. Plus a further FIVE in 'surge capability'. Fourteen aircraft. More than 4,000 troops. 56 Typhoons.
@27. Apart from your typos, I agree. It seems that enough time has passed that argieland has forgotten its 649 DEAD. I always thought we went easy on them. We should tell our troops that there's no bonus until they get to 65,000. We should remember the reality. A 'place' with nearly 43 million occupants wants to attack somewhere with less than 3,000 legal residents and about 1,200 defending troops. Isn't that about 10:1? We should make that 65,000 a day. Going to need far more ammunition. And those new yank guided bullets. Every bullet gets an argie. No more 'wounded'. No more 'prisoners'. Not one. And the corpses can get dumped into the ocean 300 miles away to the west! Turn a container on its end. Drop the bodies in. Squash 'em down. Close and lock the doors. Tow it away on a long cable. Lose it. Real British hospitality for uninvited 'guests'! Perhaps Ms Castro would like to be on the bottom?
@28
Dec 20th, 2014 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not possible to take anything you say seriously, Chopper. ;)
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzjl0t4TY2C-Gh-48IHtel22fS3KKBt2rYNmlYVvsnQiPgRpNB
Truly a toss-pot....
Dec 20th, 2014 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Jorgito el Grieg0
Dec 20th, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. How do you know which of us is British? Most of us have nicknames which mean nothing but do give all of us anonymity. So some of us may even be compatriotas who are totally against the present regime and see no prospects for your designs on the Falkland Islands.
2.Do you actually know anybody outside the institution which you appear to inhabit?
@37
Dec 20th, 2014 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the only nationality that has attacked Argentina three times in acts of war, and also the only one that openly talk about using nuclear weapons against us.
I will make sure every person I know hates the British.
Ah diddums.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't forget after a nuclear attack any Argentinian survivors will glow in the dark and be able to save a fortune in electricity. What's Kirchner done to beat that.
What an ugly, dramatic cow Ms. Castro is...but it's all part of a premeditated plan by the Argie government to try to keep the issue under the spotlight. If it weren't for CFK's obsessive insistence on the subject, no-one would even remember it .
Dec 20th, 2014 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25,28,38 Giorgy
good idea, go through with your threats....tell all your moronic friends that they should hate the UK and all Brits. See if anyone - with a brain - gives a shit.
@38. Actually, Britain has NEVER attacked argieland. I can identify the dates from your other drivel. 1806/7. There was no argieland. There was a spanish colony. A colony of a country with which Britain was at war. Legitimate target. 1845. Still no argieland. Still a spanish colony. Argieland might have been a country after 1859. How long will it take for you to learn not to LIE? Another 5,000 years? WE have all the evidence! You have NOTHING to overcome the UK or its territories. A week for you to disappear into oblivion. 160 x 1oo megatonnes. Work it out. Do you really want to play with the big boys? By the way, don't believe that drivel about the UK having to ask the US for permission or launch codes. The UK uses completely different systems and manufactures its own warheads. 30 minutes flight time.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This woman I think has over stepped the diplomatic mark,
Dec 20th, 2014 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and should be removed,
if one of our diplomats kept on sprouting this bullshit, he would be removed.
or is this what David calls soft power...
Oh look, Alicia, a flying pig!
Dec 20th, 2014 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alicia officialy - full of propaganda.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0personally - full of crap!
@38
Dec 20th, 2014 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As we say up north, you're a bit of a big girls blouse aren't ye.
Unfortunatley Ms Castro looks like a whore with her hair dyed red, much better had she left her hair a natural salt and pepper colour.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 Jorgito el Griego - get your historical facts right, you dummy!
Dec 20th, 2014 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British armed forces have invaded the River Plate area on three occasions. It has NEVER invaded Argentina. The three occasions were in 1) and 2)invasions took place between 1806 and 1807, as part of the Napoleonic Wars, when Spain was an ally of France, an enemy of Britain and 3) when in 1840 there was a blockade of the River Place by Anglo-FRENCH forces against the Argentine Confedation led by Rosas. There was NEVER an invasion at this time.
The ending of this blockade resulted in the signing of the Arana Southern Treaty of 1850 in which Argentina forfeited any right it MIGHT have had to sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.
Surely you are aware of these facts?
Toby
Dec 20th, 2014 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU are the only nation that has attacked Argentina THREE times you arse.
In fact it is many more than THREE. You have committed genocide on the entire population of Argentina and replaced it with lazy corrupt and lying Latinos.
Your last attack on Argentina was in 1880 when you stole Patagonia, massacring the indigenous population.
So, you hypocritical turd, it is THE MIRROR you despise...and the only person you are showing this to is your cousin....whilst you go off to wank over her.
43 Isolde writes. “Oh look, Alicia, a flying pig!”
Dec 20th, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shouldn't it be “Alicia, THE flying pig!”?
Chris R - Sorry was indeed intended to mean how dumb the Argies were at loosing when their supply base was 300 miles away and the Brit one was 8000
Dec 20th, 2014 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0miles at everything at full stretch - but Brit skill- coupled with a fair amount of luck and the expertise to make use of that luck - won through despite the odds.
There biggest stupidity was when Galtieri changed his original plan- to withdraw his troops early April and replace them with Blue helmet ones in a few days - not that would have meant no Task Force and a diplomatic wrangle and most likely I and my fellows would be speaking Spanish by now!
But the vain old bugger was moved by the crowds cheering him in Buenos Aires so decided to leave his troops there and the rest is history!
THE NEVER ENDING IGNORANCE.
Dec 20th, 2014 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although i am not in absolut a fan of pope francisco, i must recognize that maybe in the future he can help to achieve both countries dialogue to find a solution to this conflict.
I don't think that setting up a monument of thatcher on the islands is a celebration of war, in some way it's understandable if islanders admire her.
On the other hand, if many of you weren't so ignorant, you would know that public internationall right not always applies self determnination for absolutly all people under any circunstance.
Some of you often remind us about the genocide that the argentine state committed against indigenous populations, but what you ignore is that despite that criminal fact, our constitution includes the rights and the claims of our brothers from those populations, the country doesn't exclude them, as the u. k. does with argentina, due to since 1833 it deprives arg. of exercising it's rights over the islands.
Some of you usually recommend us to take our case to the i. c. j., however you omit that in different opportunities, arg. proposed the u. k. to take the case to an arbitration, and britain rejected them, in fact, the u. k. only made an unilateral presentation before that institution, for the dependencies from the islands in 1955, but never for the malvinas. If after that year, none of the two parts proposed again to take the questions ot an arbitration, is because perhaps both aren't sure of getting a positive result.
If many of you are happy believing that only our side makes a too partial lecture of the historical facts of this cnflict, some day you should realise that your ignorance doesn't change the facts. I have signalized what both parts omit in planty of opportunities in mercopress.
On the other hand, nobody is asking the islanders to accept only the argentine sovereignty, in fact, in 2012 c. f. k. read at the u. n., a secret proposal of 1974 treated between both nations in 1974, which was a shared sovreignty.
Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....LMAO.....you cant make this shit up....!
Dec 20th, 2014 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 051 axel arg
Dec 20th, 2014 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are completely failing to grasp the only relevant point.
You may ask the Islanders to accept some version of Argentine sovereignty, or some shared sovereignty arrangement, but that is neither here nor there, because WE WILL NEVER ACCEPT IT. And there is no way for anyone to make us.
The rest is all a side show. And forget 1974. That train left a long time ago. You should have taken it when you had the chance.
Wasn't it Menem in 1992 or thereabouts who 'promised' that the Falklands would be Argentinian by 2000!!!
Dec 20th, 2014 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Christ, he's back again !!!
Dec 20th, 2014 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rotting roadkill:
Dec 21st, 2014 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you trying to talk the Islanders to death?
LOL.
@41, 47
Dec 21st, 2014 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong.
1806 AND 1807: Spain's government had been replaced by a Napoleonic puppet, not recognized by the Buenos Aires Cabildo. As such, Buenos Aires had been left to fend for itself by the Spanish garrisons, and was de facto self-administrating. Not to mention that by this time NO CITIZEN of Buenos Aires called himself a “spanish subject”.
The British had come from taking over South Africa, and thought they would get another easy territorial conquest by sailing across to the other side of the Atlantic. Instead they got completely shalacked and humiliated by a local militia.
1845: THE REPUBLIC OF ARGENTINA had been attacked by a French-British evil, turpitudinous, execrable coalition. It INVADED the Rio de la Plata
(there is no such thing as the RIVER PLATE)
... And then sailed up the PARANA RIVER. Both those rivers are ARGENTINE territory. You guys BOMBED argentine territory. You starved citizens.
Saying it was not so is like Argentina sailing up the Thames and blockading and bombing and then claiming we weren't attacking Britain.
Anglo obfuscation, hypocracy, and duplicitous mendancity exposed once again.
@34, 41
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is really no need to attack the Argie military anyway, they are far more destructive to themselves. In the past ten years rust, incompetence, and lack of funds have sunk or disabled more argie ships and planes than any attacking power ever could...
@57
Hello Tobi. Got power again. For how long this time?
Gordo1
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose if no CITIZEN of Buenos Aires considered themselves SPANISH Subjects, by 1807,
there is no way the Falklands were inherited from the Spanish at a later date.
There was no Argentine Constitution until 1853, as there was no real nation of “Argentina”, until that date.
The supposed Viceroy of the UP, located where Montevideo and BA are now, on the River Plate, was not only illegally in power but NOT representing the interests of Spain or “Argentina”when he appointed Vernet as “Governor” of the Falklands, and sent a Prison Garrison Commander later, in 1833.
Buenos Aires, just one part of the UP, did not become part of the nation of “Argentina” until 1861.
It wasn't until the 1880's that the new ARGENTINA, started to claim the Falklands as their own. That was 30 years after Spain had declared it had no outstanding issues in the South Atlantic with Britain, and had abandoned any interests in the region.
Frankly, Montevideo has a better claim.
Quite a muddle of who was who, opportunists fighting amongst themselves, grasping at any opportunity.
No wonder the Trolls are confused about history!!
Interesting, so having a constitution makes you a “nation”.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a result, the UK is yet to be a nation. And thus has no claims of anything at all.
“...during which she also accused London of “celebrating war” as Primer Minister David Cameron's to unveil a statue of late Margaret Thatcher ..”
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The lady forgets (or ignores) the fact that it was a war that Argentina started. Anyway, what right has the Argentine ambassador got to protest the erection of a statue in the Falklands? It has nothing to do with you Lady, you should go back to studying diplomacy 101, your first assignment is well overdue!
Mrs Thatcher exerted a huge influence on the recent history of the Islands and her steadfastness in the face of Argentine colonial aggression saved the Islands and protected the rights of the Falkland Islanders to choose their own destiny, so it is right and proper that her memory will be honoured in this way. But it must be difficult for the Argentine ambassador having to represent a country where heroes are as rare as ‘blue pampa’ droppings.
Castro and Kirchner the brains trust! Surely even Argentina can come up with something better than this pair of delusional losers.
60 Argentina
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0no Monarch, no Constitution - no Republic, until 1853
No Monarch = no republic?
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does that even make any sense? Needing a MONARCH to have a republic?
Stop the drug abuse.
BTW, Argentina does not recognize monarchs as granting any rights of nationhood, so don't bother with that one.
At the end of the day, whenever British “history” decided we were a country or not is utterly irrelevant. The only history that matters in regards to our own nationhood is ours and no one else's. Tough luck.
Please define your Republic.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0What made it an entity?
When did it start?
I don't suppose you really know, do you??
Please define it?
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Simple, you declare it! That's the beauty of independence my moron fiend. You need no one else's approval but your own. If anyone wants to take that independence away, they will suffer. And the Spanish, French, and British certainly did when they tried repeatedly to deny us self-determination.
What makes it an entity is the continuous self-governance and territorial contiguity of the governance. Whether there was a constitution, or civil war after, or expansion in territories later on is irrelevant.
@51 Axel
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0'it deprives Argentina of exercising its rights over the islands...'
Argentina has no rights over the Falkland Islands. The world court system has been in existence since 1922, Argentina's failure to take its case to arbitration means that it has acquiesced to British position under the rules of extinctive prescription and has no case. A claim without a case is an illegitimate claim.
63# “At the end of the day, whenever British “history” decided we were a country or not is utterly irrelevant. The only history that matters in regards to our own nationhood is ours and no one else's. Tough luck.”
Dec 21st, 2014 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0'the only history that matters in regard to our own nationhood is ours'
Yes, and the same rule applies to the Falkland Islanders whose history predates the republic of Argentina's. But thanks for pointing it out!
65 Self-determinant
Dec 21st, 2014 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ That's the beauty of independence my moron fiend. You need no one else's approval but your own. If anyone wants to take that independence away, they will suffer. ”
The Falklands have self-determined they define themselves as a country and a people, as they feel fit.
Nobody else has a say.
The award is well deserved, although I don't understand why it has taken 32 years to award it.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0BTW does anyone know if the Channel Islands, Hong Kong, Singapore, and other British enemy-occupied territories ever got an equivalent honour for resistance during their own periods of enemy occupation?
@Axel-Arg
Dec 21st, 2014 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding the Pope, he may have been considered neutral in the Cuba / US dispute but he is not neutral between Argentina / UK. How do you imagine he could help? In any case, he isn't even required. You were offered talks when Timerman was in London. We were sat there waiting but you never showed up.
Regarding the ICJ, if you want to put your theory to the test then just take your case there and find out. Your case gets weaker with time, it may already be too late due as Brit Bob says, due to Extinctive Prescription. In the old days it was sufficient to keep a dispute going with diplomatic protests but since WW2 and the ICJ, failure to take a case within 50-years may settle the matter.
And… . the Argie Top Gear thugs are getting their own special BBC programme! Bahahahahahaha… ..
Dec 21st, 2014 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oops.....I think I got carried away there. Any offence sincerely regretted.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have only ever met two Argentinians and they are actually quite nice people.
65 Self-Emasculating Aryentine Troll
Dec 21st, 2014 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0How does a Nation define itself and its Rights and Obligations between its citizens and its government, in the absence of a Monarch?
A Republic, by definition has no Monarch, therefore it requires a written Constitution.
Aryentina (Pablo Cedron's spelling) does not have a Monarch, but declared itself a nation in 1853 when it wrote its Constitution.
The UK has a Momarch, AND it has had the Magna Carta since June of 1215 - 800 years this June, an agreement of Rights and Obligations between the King and his Subjects.
The UK still has a monarch, as does Canada, Australia, NZ, and many many Commonwealth nations.
The Falkland Islands have a monarch, and they have Self - Determined they will keep her.
@63
Dec 21st, 2014 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0George
Yes you do...who is the pope then? Is he not a monarch?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarch#Current_monarchs
I thought the whole crux of the Falklands argument was the pope apparently gave it to Spain as a papal bull who then apparently gave it to Argentina?
Ergo you do accept monarchical rule....but only when it suits you
Do you think it's your divine right to own the islanders and do what thou wilt?
47
Dec 21st, 2014 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0gordo boludo
“British armed forces have invaded the River Plate area on three occasions. It has NEVER invaded Argentina.”
and where the fuck is the río de la plata, you twat?
the fact that argentina had a different name / status in 1806/1807 does not change a shite.
you dirty english pirates tried twice to invade b.a. in 1806 and 1807.
and by 1845, you illiterate isleter, the confederación argentina already existed.
luckily you received a good kick in your dirty ass in the three occasions, as you deserved.
@75
Dec 21st, 2014 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Calm down dear, you will burst a blood vessel. Look up “ BLOCKADE ” and “ INVADE ” on Wiki and see there is a difference. They are very much different scenarios. I can understand your frustration with our superior race and knowledge but do try and learn from us, we are only trying to de-indocrinate you. We are such friendly people going around the world sorting out others problems. Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and probably Argentina in the future. TOODLE PIP OLD SPORT
75 paulcedron
Dec 21st, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pablo - I applaud your debating skills and logic
“the fact that argentina had a different name / status in 1806/1807 does not change a shite.”
Your subtle and colourful use of playground insults really adds to your debating skills.
#75
Dec 21st, 2014 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember the last occasion you tried to kick us...when our back was turned (typical cowardly Argie trick )....you ended up with YOUR arse on a plate or in the river Plate.
“they will grant a medal of honour to inhabitants there for their resistance against the Argentine Republic. That is a celebration of war,” Castro said.”
Dec 21st, 2014 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I found Cristina’s reflection very wise when she said that December 17 should be the “Day of People’s Resistance”, because Cuba resisted the blockade and finally met its goal: open diplomatic relations with the United States,”
So Cuba's resistance is a declaration of war against the USA?
OK, so the FIG should contact the so-called Argentine ambassador to the UK (LMFAO) and announce that the Islanders will celebrate their resistance against Argentina's Nazis in 1982, on December 17th and thank her graciously for her suggestion.
Is it also not time that the FIG announce that a statue of CFK will be erected to thank her for kicking Argentina's imperialist ambitions into the long grass?
@51
“THE NEVER ENDING IGNORANCE”
Which you display so well Axel.
“On the other hand, if many of you weren't so ignorant...that public internationall right not always applies self determnination for absolutly all people under any circunstance.”
In 2008, a bid by Spain and Argentina in the UN to exclude NGSTs from the right to self determination was defeated.
This clearly proves that you are ignorant as you pretend this UN vote did not take place.
To prove that you are not ignorant, you have to show that the UN definitively has stated that self determination does not apply to the Falkland Islands, and that a new vote has taken place since 2008 that has overturned that vote.
“., a secret proposal of 1974 treated between both nations in 1974, which was a shared sovereignty”
So did the Falkland Islanders approve this? 2065 clearly state that the interests of the Falkland Islanders have to be taken into account.
You may be right that self determination does not always happen in practice, but I have found no evidence that the UN excludes the right of self determination for the Falkland Islands.
@65 GorgyPorgy
Dec 21st, 2014 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you even bother reading the shite you write ??
Read it now.....“If anyone wants to take that independence away, they will suffer. And the Spanish, French, and British certainly did when they tried repeatedly to deny us self-determination”.
Totally incoherent. But you are right in that the Argies tried to 'take the Falkland's independence away in 1982, and they DID suffer”....
And you talk about the Spanish, French (and British ???) trying to deny you the right to 'self-determination', and yet you refuse to admit that the Falkland islanders have the same right...suggest you proof-read the shite you write.
But none of your ranting will change two facts : First, Alicia is a delusional fat cow, and second, the Falkland Islands will be an independent nation, with no ties to Argentina, other than those it chooses to.
Jorgito el Griego
Dec 21st, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have read your repetition of the myths, lies and misinterpretation of the Argentine folk story about the Falkland Islands. BUT, you conveniently evade making any comment on the Arana Southern Treaty of 1850 in which Argentina fails to exert any claim to the sovereignty of the archipelago and thus is deemed to have forgone said claim. This has been confirmed even by Argentine experts.
You can forget all this history, current position is the people living want to continue being under UK rule than Argentina rule.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They don't want to be part of Argentina and one of the main reasons is the Argentinian government seems to have problems being in power in their local region, never mind expanding.
To Argentinians posting on here, rather than looking back to history and longing for something that, if it could be, was under Argentinian rule, why not instead worry more about how your current situation is and getting that corrected first?
The Falklands being part of Argentina now would not make it any better for your current day to day problems with inflation etc.
Concentrate on getting Argentina sorted out and then worry about the Falklands. If you do a really good job the people of the Falklands may vote to join you. That would be a good thing to work towards.
Good luck.
@80
Dec 21st, 2014 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No. The utter moron is YOU. And the others who addressed my point at 65 by saying I deny the Falklanders self-determination.
But you are the biggest imbecile of all because I have personally explained to you at least THREE separate times my personal Falklands position, and you still lie through your teeth saying I believe the exact opposite.
You have no shame but you are Anglo after all.
And… you are soooo European Georgy Porgy! You cannot expunge your genes!
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just hurry up and have your next breakdown. You have become so goddamn boring it is no wonder you are so lonely.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@84
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not European. I know it sucks that you are and I'm not. I was lucky, you aren't.
No filthy genes here. Just an occasional bad gene, but not filth.
Oh for goodness sake.....
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:”
Now that's what I call a celebration of war....
....wonder who they are talking about....slips my mind....
@86 Jorgito el Grigo, Nene, with a family name such as yours you must have a teaspoon, at least, of filthy European blood.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get off to the Registro Civil and ask to change your surname - maybe to Kirchner?
Axel - One day in the future it is indeed likely that Argentina and the Falkland Islands will sit down together at a table to discuss difference between us - most likely with Britain as the Chair of the meeting.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are a few things you have to understand:
1 Your Country will need to spend a decade or two undoing all the hatred and mistrust your Govt has sown over the last 12 years towards us. You achieved a total reverse of the improving relations of late 1990s and 2000 - right back to those of June 1982.
It will probably take your Govts 20 yrs to improve it but no sign yet - just more of the hatred and vitriol from the Casa Rosada.
2- You have to accept and understand that you will be sitting down and discussing relations with the Falkland Islands Govt - the democratically elected representatives of the people of the Islands
Britain will be there yes - but it will be FIG that will be setting the agenda with your Govt. Sovereignty will not be on it(that is ours to decide) - lots of things that improve trust and bridge building and common sense economics could be.
But Argentina has to learn to grow up and mature first - so I do not see any talks for a long long time yet.
Talks between Argentina and the Falklands will not be possible even if Argentina wanted them. The new law states only sovereign nations have the right to sit down with the federal Buenos Aires government.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands do not qualify, unless they are granted full independence and become a UN member.
Just like Northumberland, Galicia, Lombardy, Lower-Saxony, Normandy, or Texas cannot ask for bilateral meetings with Argentina, neither can the Falkland Islands.
BRIT BOB. MONTY 69. REDDROW.: Respecting the posibility of taking our case to the i. c. j., you already know what i think about it.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In my opinion i think it's too hypocritical to criticise only argentina for not giving that step, when actually the u. k. doens't do it either, in fact, it has never accepted to discuss about the malvinas questions before a court.
On the other hand, in some way i can understand if the islanders don't want to discuss about sovereignty of the islands, because in cultural terms, they feel indentificated with britain, but what really bothers me, is the hycpocresy of some of them.
After the war of 1982, the islanders aren't victims any more, in fact, almost the whole world is asking britain to dialogue with arg. to find a solution for this conflict, and they reject it, however they complain when arg. takes some hard decisions.
Nobody is asking them to leave the islands, nobody is asking them to renounce to their british nationality, and nobody is asking them to renounce to their wish of remaining under british govrnment. Arg. has shown that it's disposed to accept a shared soevereignty, which would be a fair solution for the parts, due to it would take into account the wishes of all.
The members of the government from the islands often say that they want a dialogue with the authorities from the mainland, however they never accept any dialogue about the sovereignty, which is the main conflict, nobody has to be so smart to realize that what they propose isn't a dialogue, what they want is to submit our authorities to their wishes and interests.
PETE BOG: I never said that at the u. n. there are evidences that show that self determination isn't applicable for the malvinas-falkland question, i just said that public international right not always apply that right for any people under any circunstance.
Northumberland...which bit...now if it was Berwick....
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the official declaration of war was made against Russia in 1853, when Queen Victoria supposedly signed herself as “Victoria, Queen of Great Britain, Ireland, Berwick-upon-Tweed and all British Dominions”. Though the war was wrapped up in 1856, the Treaty of Paris failed to include the “Berwick-upon-Tweed” bit, seemingly leaving the little border town at war with a substantial world power.
A Soviet official visited the Mayor of Berwick, Robert Knox, in 1966 to effect a peace treaty, ‘just in case’. It was at this meeting that Knox uttered the famous words: “Please tell the Russian people that they can sleep peacefully in their beds.”
...good enough for a Soviet official to deal with......
@90
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope that THE FALKLANDS do decide to go for full independence and then they will tell you ( Argentina ) to fuck off.
And I would be most happy to oblige. Never seen or dealing with them or you again would be a great step forward.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's about time HMG terminates this woman's asinine activities.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
You know - I was just looking at that picture of rotting roadkill's diploshit.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did her makeup artist flunk out of cake decorating school or what?
Doesn't she own a mirror?
Has she no friends?
No wonder that the rotting roadkillians are so dellusional - no one will make them confront the truth.
lol.
(I've seen clowns at a Shriner's circus with more sympathethic cosmetic treatment.)
Alice, your Gringo Amigos salute your enduring beauty!
SALUTE!
I understand that when Alicia Castro was born, she was so ugly that instead of slapping the baby, the midwife slapped her mother. Can anyone confirm this story please?
Dec 21st, 2014 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(87) Voice
Dec 21st, 2014 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit more modern Anglo celebration of war..:
..... “ Just rejoice at that news and congratulate our forces and the marines. Goodnight, gentlemen....”
...... That command to the Nation to ‘rejoice’ at the outset of a war, sums up Maggie's persona...
..... Wonder who she was talking about... slips my mind...
@94 Don't really know why we all argue with you and pauly, your just a pair of indoctrinated morons who know little beyond the shanty town shithole you live in with your parents. Tell me do you even have running water? Bet you go out begging for food LOL. Your just a nasty piece of shit mate, bet you look like it as well LOL
Dec 21st, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rotting roadkill:
Dec 21st, 2014 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shoot or shutup.
lol.
axel
Dec 21st, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain has no need to take the case to the ICJ, it is happy with the status quo. Argentina could unilaterally ask the ICJ for a guidance, which although non-binding would surely strengthen their cause....why don't they do this if their case is so strong...why hundreds of presentations to the C24 but not one to the correct UN body?
Secondly, your assumption that the resolution to any dispute is that both sides have equal rights is nonsense, perhaps we should have offered that nice Mr Hitler half of Poland and Half of France?
Argentina has no rights to the Falklands, none whatsoever. It had the same rights in 1811 as the other 200 countries, to attempt to set up a civilian population (colony) it failed. In 1832, the crew of the Ss Sarandi arrived with the aim of doing this but mutineed, murdered and raped before being evicted 6 weeks later.
There will be no shared sovereignty, as it is no longer Britains to give. Sovereignty is owned by the islanders, and they chose it to be as a BOT...no territory on earth is British against the will of the population....
So, sorry Axel...your lectures are too partial...all NSGTs are entitled to self determination enshrined in numerous resolutions...ignored by Argentina.
The offer to talk is always open, but only if the islanders are present so you can convince them why as Alicia Castro has claimed, they'd be better off Argentine.
@97
Dec 21st, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds about right, but I heard they ( the midwife ) tried her hardest to shove her back, can you confirm that both actions took place?
@91 axel arg
Dec 21st, 2014 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong. The UK is the lawful owner of the Falkland Islands. It is solely up to the Islanders to determine how and by whom they are governed. It is up to Argentina to present its case to the ICJ - quick to go to the ICJ over the Pulp Mills and the US Holdouts but not over the Great Malvinas Myth.
Considering that the ICJ has determined , in the light of the East Timor Judgment, that self-determination is erga omnes and places an obligation on all states, and the UN International Law Commission has said that this right is 'jus cogens' (compelling law). Argentina does not have a cat in hell's chance of winning its case.
'Failure of a State which has ceased to exercise any authority over territory cannot by purely verbal protestations, indefinitely maintain its title against another who for a sufficiently long time has exercised the powers and fulfilled the duties of sovereignty in it' (Former jurist and president of the ICJ, Charles de Visscher, theory and reality in international law, de Visscher, C. 1957, p210).
It is also known as acquiescence or extinctive prescription.
Given that Argentinian treatment of the conquest of the desert (a conflict which was far more morally dubious than the defence of the Falklands) has included plastering it over the 100 peso note and building statues to people (Julio Argentino Roca most notably) who have been described in some circles as guilty of genocide, the phrase “people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones” comes to mind.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for gaining sovereignty over the Falklands, that's pretty unlikely- there's no real call to surrender it on the UK side, the islanders are opposed and Argentina is unlikely to be able to offer either inducements or reassurances enough to change that. Generations of being told that the Falklands will come back without any level of accommodation or change on their side (You know, because SOVEREIGNTY) has resulted in a situation where anything other than immediate handover on their terms is politically impossible for them to take as a negotiating position. That's the problem with using an issue like that as a rhetorical tool to rouse the political partisans- it makes actually dealing with the issue nearly impossible.
Jorgito el Griego.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After 5 hours you still have nothing to say about the Arana Southern Treaty? This document which clearly Argentina used to cease claiming sovereignty of the Falkland Islands is interesting reading especially as it is also known as the Convention of Settlement.
I would welcome your comments.
How strange!
@104
Dec 21st, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And of course Argentina's insistence that the Islanders are “illegal squatters” and “an implanted population” who has no right to be there is sure to make the Islanders want to negotiate....
I think its funny that Rgs pretend to not like violence. It is one of the most violent countries I've ever been to!
Dec 21st, 2014 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people are extremely violent and intolerant of darker skinned people and jews.
It is a corrupted and disgusting society.
107 YB
Dec 21st, 2014 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0try to be fair - they are quite rightly lashing out defensively because 'people of other races and ethnicities' have offended their pride or been disparaging about their lack of ethics, their racism, or their systemic corruption.
Those outsiders need to be taught their place.
@106
Dec 21st, 2014 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, naturally, but that's where their rhetoric keeps shooting them in the foot. It has become near impossible for them to approach the Islanders in a way the Islanders will accept or give any credence to, and as long as that's the only route open, the entire situation is essentially unresolvable.
The Argentinians can only open a dialogue if they approach in a way the Islanders will see as more than domestic propaganda, and the domestic audience in Argentina has been fed decades of propaganda about their “right” to the islands and how they were stolen and the residents are squatters. The Islanders have no reason to give on their stand, as they're reasonably happy with the status quo, and the Argentinians can't tone down their rhetoric without being vilified by their domestic audience.
TWIMC
Dec 21st, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More and more anglo Turnips keep sprouting on MercoPress's growing Turnip field, telling us how Gordian this knot is...
Dear Lads and lasses... As history has taught us..., Gordian knots, Engrish or otherwise, take just a bit of out of the box thinking...
No matter what we say , what the laws say , whet the UN says,
Dec 21st, 2014 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina under CFKs guidance is only interested in what they have been taught at school,
they know nothing else, they see nothing else , they hear nothing,
just the world history according to Argentina .
AXEL,
The UN has abolished 1833, please now choose another date, thank you...
Yb. Ever see them lose a soccer match? I seen quick fire fights with less violence. How about when Fat Max “The pedophile”kirchner is called out against protesters with bats and torches............major violence.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0# 98 yapper
Dec 21st, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The war had already begun by the Argentine Republics invasion of the peaceful Falkland Islands and the other British territories of the south Atlantic.
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The PM wished that the British public knew the news she had just been given by John Nott, Secretary of State for Defence, he announced:
The message we have got is that British troops landed on South Georgia this afternoon, shortly after 4 pm London time. They have now successfully taken control of Grytviken; at about 6 pm London time, the white flag was hoisted in Grytviken beside the Argentine flag. Shortly afterwards, the Argentine forces there surrendered to British forces. The Argentine forces offered only limited resistance to the British troops. Our forces were landed by helicopter and were supported by a number of warships, together with a Royal Fleet Auxiliary. During the first phase of this opinion, our own helicopters engaged the Argentine submarine, Santa Fé, off South Georgia. This submarine was detected at first light and was engaged because it posed a threat to our men and to the British warships launching the landing. So far, no British casualties have been reported. At present we have no information on the Argentine casualty position. The Commander of the operation has sent the following message:
“Be pleased to inform Her Majesty that the White Ensign flies alongside the Union Jack in South Georgia. God save the Queen.”
To which MT remarked,
“Just rejoice at that news and congratulate our forces and the marines. Goodnight. Rejoice.”
Oh, and how we rejoiced at that news!
Very true.....
Dec 21st, 2014 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0113 Porto M
Dec 21st, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thx. it seems everything Think-Turnip posts needs to be put into context.
GOTCHA
Dec 21st, 2014 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://belgranoinquiry.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/stevebell11.jpg
@116
Dec 21st, 2014 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What exactly was the 'peaceful settlement' she snatched a bloody victory from?
Ask Steve Bell...
Dec 21st, 2014 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gotcha? Please Sistah, you've couldn't outsmart a paper bag.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your whole Society is based on the screwed up ramblings of a impotent failed military pedo and a slum dwelling skank.
It is no wonder it is rotten at its very core.
@118
Dec 21st, 2014 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Steve Bell on mercopress?
Sistah, Here a nice summary of Austral Evis' disastrous year:
Dec 21st, 2014 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1754182-las-definiciones-mas-destacadas-de-un-funcionario-histrionico
veni chiquito....
Re El Almirante Belgrano
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Although the sinking of the cruiser General Belgrano was involved in a controversy as to where it actually was, or heading for, when torpedoed, inside or outside the exclusion zone imposed by the British, Captain Bonzo, in spite of Argentine claims of a deliberate “criminal action” always sustained it was “an act of war”.
He also described the 323 Argentine sailors that went down with the old Second World War II cruiser as “heroes”.
“The sinking of the cruiser was an act of war. It was not a crime. It was a licit most unfortunate and lamentable action. Crime is war. We were in the front and we suffered the consequences”, Captain Bonzo was quoted at the time.
“As of April 30 I was given orders to open fire and if the submarine should have been before me having emerged for repairs, I would have opened fire with the fifteen cannons until it sunk”.
I watched a documentary in which Captain Bonzo told the story of the sinking of his ship, the General Belgrano. He was a good Captain (he was the last man to leave his ship, remaining on board as long as possible to ensure as many of his crew as possible got off) and honestly reported the story as it happened with a sense of sadness but no recriminations or accusations of war crimes.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0He came across as a very nice man.
Argentina should be an exclusion zone for British passport holders and flags, we are getting there thankfully.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think - You know as well as I do that:
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your Southern fleet Admiral in 1982 stated in public that the Belgrano was a legitimate target as the 2 navies were at war.
She was sailing a holding pattern awaiting orders to attack the British carriers from the south in the aftermath of the air attack that was to be launched from the north by your carrier 25th de May once and if weather conditions were right to launch her jets.
Argentine Naval Archives know that - as do British. It was WAR - and sadly war is s a deadly business - shame that the asses in charge in Argentina had no idea about real life.
Think,
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0What do you “think”we should have done about the Belgrano?
Let it go on its merry way?
To try to sink any of our ships?
Don't be such a resentful loser, Think.
l have said this before(but maybe it has to be said over & over to you)the Belgrano was an armed enemy warship, and as such was a legitimate target.
lt doesn't matter where it was, it was a threat that had to be neutralised.
What about Argentina's failed attempts to sink British shipping in Gibraltar?
Gibraltar is far, far away from any exclusion zone.
The hypocrisy of these Argentines is utterly astounding.
And Think is one the most blatant.
It's perfectly OK to start a war, and send your warships to make war in the war zone, but if your intended target elects to defend itself, after only two warnings, that's a deliberate attempt to torpedo the peace process.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0#124........Get your penis made into the vagina you confessed about Pagina boi. Or come back as TruthTellingTroll ....the wittle boi who confessed he is a trans-sexual.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you were ever in Argentina you would realize that they are a lot of British touristbut you'r not there so you can't know that.
Right Pagina Boi
Been gone a few days....getting your estrogen treatments? Soon enough you really will be a titti boi and not from momma.
@51 Axel Arg : Quote “Some of you often remind us about the genocide that the argentine state committed against indigenous populations, but what you ignore is that despite that criminal fact, our constitution includes the rights and the claims of our brothers from those populations, the country doesn't exclude them ”
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then how come Amnesty International points out that attacks against indigenous comminities and forced evictions of these are still prevalent : http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR13/004/2012/en
When you malvinistas say the whole world is behind the Argentine claim for the Falklands , you forget that every facet of Argentine politics , history and current affairs can be read by anyone over the internet , so people see the entire picture , not just what the man at the blackboard is telling you to post.
The world does NOT support Argentina's claim because it's too reminiscent of Hitler's demands in the 30's , and the world has moved on from handing over minorities to unstable racist regimes who would evict the islanders at the snap of Cristina's or Maxi's fingers .
These pathetic Malvinista trolls seem not to be aware that we all have access to information, via the internet, that, in 99% of the subject matters they present, totally refutes their myths, lies and fairy stories.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They seem to have been brainwashed into believing all things argentine are virtuous and the truth. HA! HA! HA!
The Belgrano sunk.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thatcher won the war.
It's 2014 and the Falkland Islands are still British.
Honestly the noise that comes out of Argentina that tries to alter, forget or trivialise these facts just entertains me. Argentina can't alter the past, can't influence the present and can't control the future of the Islands.
So suck it up and the facts will be the same for the whole of 2015.
@83 GiorgyPorgy aka 4N trolley
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, no need to get upset...if you mean it, it's about the only thing you've ever said that makes any sense....as to the rest...
@97 Jmackiej
Can't confirm THAT story, but there is another version....at birth, the doctor couldn't tell the difference between Alicia's arse and her face, so he slapped her on the head by mistake...
Let's remember that most Argentines no longer give a rats a*rse about the Malvinas question . Ask any trawler captain in Mar del Plata .
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All are glad the Royal Navy are there to both protect the fishing areas and send a chopper out if they have a problem . Argentina's Prefectura ( Coast Guard ) are a shallow water organization and the navy is utterly crippled .
It's utterly insane for a G8 country to bang on and on about an archipelago with no real worth in the 21st Century , and the majority of Argentines know this .
Mostly they are totally embarrassed by the antics of the clowns on here .
Ask the Argentine SOLDIERS that are at this moment in time on patrol with the British in Cyprus,
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and these brainwashed argies want us to believe that Argentine government want nothing to do with us.
@118
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No need to ask him-Argentina was warned in April 1982 that any Argentine forces anywhere deemed a threat to the British would be attacked-those warnings were ignored therefore the Argentine government were responsible for the sinking of the Belgrano by allowing it to be put in harm's way-but hey when your regime has just knocked off 30, 000 civilians , your sailors are cheap.
I'd like to know why Anaya wasn't in charge of a ship in the South Atlantic, leading his men?
@124
“Argentina should be an exclusion zone for British passport holders and flags, we are getting there thankfully”.
No problem chey, I spend lavish holidays on Shell Island, so you can exclude me from Argentina with pleasure, (no burning tyres or Malvanista morons on Shell Island) though a trip to Gibraltar is on the horizon..............
@134 Briton
No doubt applying Argentine theory, their soldiers are telling the Brits they can have Cyprus back.
@57 Jorgito el Griego
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just as you call the Falklands Malvinas we call Rio de la Plata River Plate.
Idiot child!
Someone please press the attendant call button, get her mind back on her real profession. Sandra is waiting in the wings!
Dec 24th, 2014 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 137
Dec 24th, 2014 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now that IS funny.
:o)
Alicia Castro optimistic
Dec 24th, 2014 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0except when she looks into the mirror...
I understand that she was Chubby Chavos “oral milker” so to speak. I have to say I would not even allow her to perform that on me. Hell I would not even allow her to use her left hand on my ass.
Dec 24th, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Both she, and CFK, are 'oral milkers', and can't be ALL that bad at their true calling....I mean, they did manage to get Castro, Putin and Jing Ping-Pong to 'support' Argieland in that ridiculous claim...
Dec 25th, 2014 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'oral milkers',
Dec 26th, 2014 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0like all cows with no bulls...lol
MONKEYMAGIC: Read my comment 51, and you'll know what i think about what you tell me in your comment 101.
Dec 28th, 2014 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BRIT BOB: Read my comment 51, and you'll know what i think about taking the case to the icj.
On the other hand, if you investigated about public international right, as much as i did, you would know that prescription is a too arguable institution, in fact, it wasn't applied in many opportunities. Beside, one of the conditions to apply prescription, is that the occupation of the place on litigation had to be peaceful. In the case of the malvinas, it's hightly arguable to say that the occupation was peaceful, when the british forced the argentine authorities to leave the islands, when they took the archipelago in 1833.
USURPING PIRATE: It's true that some of our originary populations are victims of institutional violence, due to some of them are expealed from their lands by powerful masters, who want to use their lands to plant soya, beside, there is sometimes a complicity between them and security forces, who force our people to leave their lands. Anyway, those repudiable facts, dont' support the ignorant comparison that some of you make between the genocide against originary populations, and our claim for the malvinas. I couldn't tell what they suffer in my comment 51, because i didn't have enough characters, and i wanted to talk about others issues too.
I wonder if beef or chicken has her cyanide suicide pill ready for when TMBOA tells her to top herself?
Dec 28th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She wouldn't have the nerve though to carry it out.
Pity that.
@143 axel arg
Dec 28th, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it's hightly arguable to say that the occupation was peaceful, when the british forced the argentine authorities to leave the islands, when they took the archipelago in 1833.”
So when the United Provinces authorities were asked to leave by letter in 1833, how many of your side were killed or even beaten up?
More British citizens were expelled from the islands ( the majority of the Sarandi crew) than South American citizens, by, wait for it, the British.
Seriously, if the United Provinces claimed the Islands, why did they not return before January 1834 to take the islands back?
There was nothing to stop them.
“dont' support the ignorant comparison that some of you make between the genocide against originary populations,”
It is relevant, because had Argentina not kicked out the indigenous peoples, Argentina's territory would have been several hundred miles north of the Falklands and nowhere near them.
Pretty difficult for you to criticise the Islanders for NOT booting out indigenous peoples (in fact the islanders helped rather than exterminated Yaghans by educating them on Keppel Island and returning them to the mainland) when you stole territory by murdering the people that were there before you-so they are not ignorant comparisons.
However if those indigenous people are now happy being Argentine that's fine, but trying to force Falkland Islanders to be Argentine will result in exactly the opposite effect.
But I seriously cannot understate how stupid your country is if they want the Falklands-it's this simple-persuade a few thousand inhabitants that it will be better for them to be Argentine than British or Independent.
If your country can't do it, it should be as analytical as you are and ask why don't the Islanders want to be Argentine, and address that 'why' and seek to resolve that.
Then if you can, the Islands are yours, without a fight, because if the Islanders want to be Argentine, the British government will withdraw.
@143 axel arg,
Dec 28th, 2014 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So now its the “Argentine Authorities” instead of the “Argentine Population” who were expelled, eh axel?
You malvinistas cannot even get your stories(myths & lies)the same.
You are a lying idiot, axel.
No one here needs to take you seriously.
Neither you or any of your countrymen have any “rights” in OUR Falklands.
Please just go away(far, far away)& pester someone else.
Thank you.
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