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Argentina and Chile agree on three tunnel projects drilling the Andes
Argentina and Chile signed on Tuesday in Santiago the creation of a bi-national entity responsible for the Las Leñas Pass tunnel project (Ebileñas) to be drilled in the Andes connecting the two countries. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDon't trust the argies, Chile.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Brits have had an 'Agreement of Perfect Peace' with the argies since 1850 but they now claim 'you forced us to sign' or 'we didn't know what we were signing' or some other equally fallacious comment, seeking to get out of their responsibilities.
Also, why the low height tunnel? Is it just cost or are the argies scared you will charge through the tunnel will all your heavy armour?
As oif you would! :o)
Like the other agreements, the tunnel will never be built.
I think this is a mandatory statement made every Decade or then a new Rg Prez in inaugurated.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't hole my breath waiting for it.
Las Leñas Pass tunnel project
Jan 07th, 2015 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some say Argentina may well use them for any future invasion,
Would you trust CFKs intentions..
Well, sometimes these projects do finally get built. At the Santiago airport is a working model of the train tunnel project which would be a great benefit to our nation's economies. Knowing my Argentine brothers however makes me think it has little chance for completion.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As far as using the tunnels for invasion... Chilean beaches are already full of Argentine tourists sipping matte. In a real invasion, it would be a slaughter putting an Argentine TAM tank against one of ours...
There was a lot of negative muttering before the Channel Tunnel was built but it has been a success. I think if this ever happens it is a great idea.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have always thought Chile should build a high speed train between Vina/Valpo and Santiago. A commuter line. I assume costs are prohibitive.
I thought Argentina was falling apart under the weight of a “default” caused by all-powerful Judge Thomas Griesa.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For a defaulting country, Argentina was chugging its way along pretty well by the end of 2014.
Not only that. It seems the country is working with neighbouring Chile to improve transportation between both countries, a great way to strengthen both economies.
I am impressed.
@6 Saying you are going to do something doesn't mean much.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 06. Except if you need tampons.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahahaa
I have a list of announced K capital improvements as long as my arm that haven't a chance to get started. I guess they'd rather throw away U$Billions on YPF and Aerolineas Arg or Miami Real Estate than actually build something for the good of the country.
#6 This tunnel is right up there with the high speed rail. Do you remember that?
Jan 07th, 2015 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the Army we put in were we wanted to sreve....3 choices.....Hawaii, Germany.....Japan......how about Central fucking America. It's called a dream sheet. This appears to be part of the kirchner SOP.....dream sheets and wishlists. Where is that train any way?
9. The other oldie but goodie is teh South American World Trade Center built on reclaimed land from RDP.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was all anyone was talking about while Nestor was alive.
Rgs are dreamers not doers.
If I were Chile I would want the money upfront, they still owe the Uruguans for energy.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Elaine
Jan 07th, 2015 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hard to compare the cooperation of the UK and France to what we have here. Years ago, Chile financed a natural gas line to cross the Andes for bringing Argentinian production to Santiago. All was secured by a treaty, which Argentina then failed to honor. Thousands of taxis and busses that had been converted, along with hundreds of thousands of other propane to natural gas conversions had to be converted back again. Our neighbors are very unreliable.
@11 &12
Jan 07th, 2015 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too right golf. As a an Uruguayan electricity consumer I am paying on my bills for the electricity exported to Argentina which they have “forgotten” to pay for. The last time that our fossil fuel plants were fired up at Argentinas request was 11 months ago yett our UTE prices are still based on the parameters of fossil fuel costs despite the fact that hydro has been running at 100% capacity and the spill ways on the dams have been open for the past ten months to evacuate surplus wáter. Sure we got a Christmas “present” on our December bills. We were taxed 22% on the full bill and then got our Santa present. Allit was was an effort to keep annual inflation below 10% which triggers automatic wage increases and our present was less than the tax we pay monthly.
Today the gov fuel prices monopoly ANCAP informs us of a 5% decrease at the pump when their parameters are based on USD 110 for crude. At a last look crude prices were set to go down to below 50 dollars today.
Chirurceo Remember the bridge that was going to be built between BA and Colonia? Not only wasnt it built but Argentina blockaded the other bridges for four years. So much for Argentine promises and contracts which arent worth the spit used to seal an envelope
6. I think that is the point, for the local sheep to be impressed. Don't you think it is funny no one other than one Argentine believes this story? I guess the bull shit really works well for the domestic comsumption.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1. Why do you only mention that one? How about the various 'agreements' between stupid Uruguay and scumland? Seen the Martin Garcia channel being dredged by argieland to 36 feet? But they dredged their own channel! ICJ action against Uruguay by scumland for building a pulp mill. On the basis of contamination caused by an argie village. Closure of international bridges by argie scum. Interference by scumland with Uruguayan trade. If Mujica wasn't such a wimp, he'd be telling scumland to start building its bomb shelters. Chile needs to build massive stocks of remote-detonated explosives into these 'projects'. And at the slightest sign of argie non-compliance, blow them apart. Preferably with tunnels full of argies. I don't know why Uruguay doesn't install heavy artillery all along its 'border' with scumland. In the event of a 'problem', there should be one warning. Then the artillery, conventional, rocket, mortars, missile-based, can open fire. Wiping the south bank of the River Plate and the west bank of the River Uruguay clear of the scum enemy. Shouldn't take too much to make the relevant area a no-go death zone.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4. Stick with that thought. Slaughter!
@5. The Channel Tunnel will, shortly, have to be blown up. Can't allow any more scrounging migrants in. In the meantime, the UK refuses to contribute to 'saving' scrounging migrants at sea. As time progresses, the Royal Navy will be tasked with destroying migrant boats at sea. Want to live? Stay away from the UK.
@6. Spending money it doesn't have. But what does it matter? It won't pay.
@13. Instead of moaning, you need to understand that argieland HAS to be destroyed. Nowhere in south america is safe as long as argieland, venezuela, bolivia, ecuador and peru exist. Get out there and do what's necessary. If you don't fight, we won't come to help. We can't send everything but, how would you like to watch 200 RAF combat aircraft landing? And we'd still have 27 in the UK. Plus our additional 130 Hawks.
let´s hope we don't have an invasion of chilotes in las leñas now, the best ski resort of south america by far.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0luckily these chilotes are not known for their abilities in sports.
You need more than FOUR combat aircraft, such as Chile's F-16s, to destroy Argentina's command and control.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One destroyer will finish off the Argentine navy.
We will not attack our Andean brothers because they'll complain and cry like children for for the next 100 years and
They're also talking about giving free wi-fi in downtown BA. One would think they'd prioritize potable water and sewage lines into people's houses first.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strange priorities they have there
Plus it will never work
That complaining and crying part for the next 100 years would be any different than now.....how ?
Jan 07th, 2015 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
Did not Argentina have all these mod/con before they ruined the lot.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If a good news story about Argentina gets this amount of horse manure--see most postings above--could you imagine the day real bad news are published?
Jan 07th, 2015 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But don't blame them. They cannot withstand the thought of Argentina making its own decisions, cutting free of the IMF and standing tough to the vultures of the international finances. They cannot withstand the country having a good December, going in mass on holidays (inside and outside the country) and doing well in spite of being in a “technical default” created by a vulture-friendly NY judge.
On top of that, the Greeks are, in a few days, going to vote a government on a similar platform to that of the Kirchners, which is of course what Greece needs. That'll be it for Angela Merkel and the IMF.
Cutting free of the IMF? How so? Last I heard they were BEGGING not to be thrown out. Begging mind you, screaming, banging on the table and the like.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You live in some delusional world Enrique, are you drunk all the time?
@15 Conqueror, do get a grip. The last major purchase by the Uruguayan army of artillery was in 1981, some M101 105mm howitzers purchased third hand from South Korea so they are probably surplus worn out war stock from the Korean War or even WW2
Jan 07th, 2015 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 021 Enrique truth be known probably no one really cares much about Arg, it is just good for a laugh when your politicians speak. Funny I did just get back from the carribean for vacation and the place was full of Argentinians and Russians... Nice people actually not like the argentine shit heads on this site.
Jan 07th, 2015 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas chunnel is 32 years late.
Jan 08th, 2015 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today at a RN meeting, the tunnel was exposed as an empty promise.
Jan 08th, 2015 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only hope is a new government in BA.
#15
Jan 09th, 2015 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0In his delirious fantasies, Conqueror lost sight that he was commenting on a story speaking about a will to cooperate and get closer ties between two countries that not always kept the best possible relations.
He probably watches too many war video games and has lost sense of reality. Fortunately, our Latin American countries have drastically reduced the budgets of the armed forces and their political aspirations, and they no longer get to play war games.
Several other postings here gloss over the fact that the projected tunnels won't ever happen.
Get real, Conqueror. Real war is no game unless you watch it from far, on TV.
@18yb
Jan 09th, 2015 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They're also talking about giving free wi-fi in downtown BA. One would think they'd prioritize potable water and sewage lines into people's houses first”.
In a civilized country, yes. But in Argieland, as well as in Brazil, if you built sewage lines they would not be visible to the ignoramuses, who only value what they can see...even if they don't understand it. This line of political thinking, has actualy been brought to light by politicians seeking office...when asked if they would build sewers, they responded “what the hell for ? they are underground and no-one can see them”!
@27 Henry,
regarding the drastic reduction of military budgets, in most of Latam it has not been the result of a choice to allocate resources to where they are most needed, but because the countries don't have the money and literally, have no choice. As to political aspirations, seems that is ALL they think about, that's why they are all so f*cked-up. An honest government, with the people's true interests at heart, is a long way off in Latam.
@28 Yes, it is true that ignoramuses only value what they can see, however there is another reason. Macri has ran out of money. There were two big upgrades to the sewage lines scheduled, one is done, but the second one is on hold because they are waiting for a loan, which won't be approved until the issue with the holdouts is settled. Free wifi is quicker and much cheaper, and will be ready by election time. Stuff you see is sometimes much cheaper than stuff you don't see.
Jan 10th, 2015 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also, most politicians avoid infrastructure work because the politician in charge when the works end takes credit and the politician who actually did the work gets screwed. Most politicians lie and spend all their money on handouts and propaganda to keep the people dependent on them, and when they actually do infrastructure work, it is cheap work that takes less than a single term (four years) to do so they take credit. Some even make facades like North Korea for propaganda. CFK was caught doing this at least once, and I've heard Alfonsin and Menem did the same.
#29
Jan 10th, 2015 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0If wifi is “quicker and cheaper” why so many cities in the developed world are still sorely lacking of those networks where they are badly needed?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, the Argentina government is an easy target because they are attempting to go where no government has gone before. Just one example: the Universal Allocation per Child--no one ever thought this to happen in Argentina.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-09/venezuelans-throng-grocery-stores-on-military-protection-order.html
Jan 10th, 2015 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A fitting end to a failed ideology
Argentina is just a few steps behind but its too late to change course.
This will roll out and end the same way.
:)
#31
Jan 10th, 2015 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Using Venezuela as an argument against the Argentina government is specious at best; Venezuela is mostly dependent on oil exports, so is now in a bind, as are oil-rich jurisdictions like the Canadian province of Alberta.
Argentina has a much more diversified economy, which was one of the goals of Nestor Kirchner and Cristina Fernández governments. Importing supplies such as toilet paper and car batteries as in Venezuela would be unheard of in Argentina.
@31 yb
Jan 10th, 2015 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Interior Minister Carmen Melendez (VZ) said yesterday that security forces would be sent to food stores and distribution centers to protect shoppers“.....
.....to protect 'shoppers' ?? from what ? ....more like to protect the 'shops', from being ransacked by angry shoppers ...
@30 Henry
”If wifi is “quicker and cheaper” why so many cities in the developed world are still sorely lacking of those networks where they are badly needed?“
WTF ?? most people who live in cities in the developed world, don't need access to 'free' wi-fi.....they have their own internet providers at their homes or businesses, not to mention 3G or 4G......why depend on government bs when they can pay for it and choose the provider that suits their needs. In BA it's just a political move to make the ignorant masses believe that CF is actually concerned with them.....doesn't take much to fool you guys and keep you happy, does it ?
As for ”Universal Allocation per Child”, maybe a novelty for Argentina, but nothing new in many other countries....call it what you want, still comes down to a government handout.....wouldn't the country be better off if the government incentivated the creation of jobs, enabling the people to support their underage children themselves, with a bit of dignity, instead of making them dependent on the State ??? Greater dependency on the State translates into more poverty.
32. Venezuela has been collapsing long before oil took a dive. Oil is to Venezuela as Soy is to Argentina.
Jan 10th, 2015 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Both one trick ponies.
Argentina is currently out of car parts, tires, canmeds, HIV meds, vaccines, tampons, school supplies, appliance parts, syringes, medical gloves, gauze...I could go on and on...
Enrique, you're one dumb cluck do you know anything about Argentina or do you just talk out your as*? You've earned the crown of dumbest poster on the board. You took it from Axel only because he's too embarrassed to post often any longer.
Enrique.....don't forget tampons.
Jan 10th, 2015 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's nothing Rgs hate more than being made the laughingstock of the world:
Jan 11th, 2015 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is known for a few things: natural resources like iron ore and zinc, Madonna's portrayal of Eva Perón, government corruption. And since the country is having problems with the latter—in particular, crippling inflation that's caused the price of imports as a result because no one wants to do business with a place that can't (or won't) pay its bills—it's also having a problem keeping tampons in stock. Which is both bizarre, as far as things being out of stock go, and no bueno for its female residents.
http://jezebel.com/tampons-in-argentina-cost-30-a-box-if-you-can-get-the-1678706114
Every store we stopped in this weekend we seemed to bump into that aisle. And while we both chuckled about smuggling them into Argentina, she is quite embarrassed of her homeland and what the Kirchner's turned it into. As are all the Argentine's who I know and they are the middle working class. Not the lazy ass trolls posting here expecting the government to be their source of their next hand out.
Jan 12th, 2015 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina morphed into some type of a cult society. Funny as the elections get closer, politicians are saying...“I am not really a FVP”., or “Sciloi or Messi, it does not matter...I am independent”. They are distancing themselves to get elected. Will they drink their kool aid.
http://www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/chacra-abandono-peras_0_1283272096.html
Jan 12th, 2015 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arg just steps behind V in making farming unprofitable. My guess after this year's inflation they'll be done.
Cap, Yeah most of my Arg friends in the USA are totally embarrassed of what's happened but they are certainly glad they're here!
My friends that are left in the country are so depressed and have no idea what to do. There are no jobs and everything costs a lot of $. They all are moving to smaller and smaller apts farther and farther away from the capital.
Its a miserable place.
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