MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Car sales in Argentina plunged 28% last year compared to 2013
Sales of new cars in Argentina plunged 42% in December, compared to the same month of 2013, a steep drop that managed to raise eyebrows in an industry that had gotten used to declines month after month. It was steeper than the already strong 37% drop seen in November. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell that's what happens when all those villainous manufacturers hide cars to keep them off the dealer's showroom. Right? RIGHT? ;)
Jan 08th, 2015 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, the Argentineans don't buy a new car every year... What is that?
Jan 08th, 2015 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Duh!
@ 2 Stevie
Jan 08th, 2015 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0So FORTY MILLION people cannot afford to buy cars?
It's the economy in the toilet stupid boy.
@2 You are not suggesting that ALL Argentines buy new cars in the same year are you?
Jan 08th, 2015 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This consume and trash society you guys adore, propelled by a never ending increase of profit, demanding a ever ending supply of materials , is yours.
Jan 08th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep it.
@5 You miss the point. Statistics provided by your government and the very existence of the car manufacturing industry would indicate that Argentines DO like to buy new cars. However, a considerable number could not afford to last year. I is not ideological it is economical.
Jan 08th, 2015 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 3 pillars of The Arg economy from Nestor's days were Auto Mfg, Foreign Tourism and Soy.
Jan 08th, 2015 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All are drastically down or dead.
Now what?
Elaine... You miss the point... What people want and what people can, is not always the same. Just ask the Europeans...
Jan 08th, 2015 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Constant increase in profit, demands increase in output and sustained consumption.
I repear myself, keep that model to yourselves.
@3
Jan 08th, 2015 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? 40 million can't? ... You are about an witty as a lamppost.
Don't worry about argie retail new car sales.
Worry about UKIP, Front National, PEGIDA, Liga Nord, ISIS, and USA black-white race relations and police.
Europe and North America, worry about your own problems, ignore them at your own peril
(as in “burn baby burn”)
Would anyone suspect that it has something to do with the government sucking the wealth out of the economy, to finance its corruption, debt and mismanagement of everything it touches? A very much smaller, less expensive and less intrusive government would not create such problems (or, at least, fewer of them).
Jan 08th, 2015 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#9 Pagina boi...you're back!! How was Quba? Did they flap back your pene into a near vagina? That's great......now papi has someplace new for his choriza, choriza.....is this really a choriza game with you....no?
Jan 08th, 2015 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How did it feel to “actually” travel somewhere? Or did you not go and just played....let's service mi papi for the past week? No worries..........there are no tampons in Argentina anyway......unless we count you.
You really need to see the world.....your.....“self education” is deplorable on it's best day.
tip for the day....and not your papi pene. Buy put's at 45 in oil.
This won't be a concern to Argentinians as they have a plentiful supply of asses.
Jan 08th, 2015 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 9 TTT
Jan 08th, 2015 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read it again and THINK about what I am saying.
Use your brain for once.
If there are 40M people in a society there has to be SOME who can afford new cars, idiot.
Chris.....he can't understand a question without 2 questions and one being upsidedown. lol
Jan 08th, 2015 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0New cars are more fuel efficient and environmentally friendly than older models. Thereby helping Argentina in two ways: reduction of pollution and hence better health benefits and reduction in fuel imports.
Jan 08th, 2015 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So holding onto old inefficient cars isn't some form of bragging rights on Argentineans failing to succumb to capitalism or some western consumption pattern, it is further proof that it is sliding further down the ranks of wealth and development.
I'd much prefer to drive car that gets 4L/100km than 10L/100km.
@7
Jan 08th, 2015 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Now what?”
Malbec?
The Pampers jet production run?
Malvinas sign manufacturers?
5. lol.
Jan 08th, 2015 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wealth - good
profits - good
demand - good
production - good
socialism - bad
perronistas - bad
ignorance - bad
@13
Jan 08th, 2015 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes. In the case of Argentina, that would be the Whacky Leadership and their Lieutenants around the country. So 29167 greedy officials at the top layers of the corruption pyramid sounds about right.
At last some accurate and useful statistics out of Argentina. Notably, it didn't come out of INDEC though...
http://tn.com.ar/sociedad/incidentes-en-la-autopista-dellepiane-entre-un-grupo-de-vecinos-y-la-policia_561009
Jan 08th, 2015 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Rgs on this board want everyone to think its all going swimmingly there. Toby talks about 12 people protesting a an upscale brunch, talking then leaving peacefully and in Argentina the streets are LITERALLY burning.
Silly Rgs think we can be so easily fooled.
I saw that. All because of no electricity. Wear is Pagina boi anyway? I see he is now against the Qom.
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Jan 09th, 2015 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Rgs on this board want everyone to think its all going swimmingly there.”
who told you that, you ignorant benny?
it is a mess in many aspects and the government is crap.
now, it is funny to read the posts of all of you because you don't know a shite.
you opine only because it is free.
as for the falling sales, first it was a record last year and second, what can you expect when the f*cking government applies a 30% and 50% impuestazo?
it was obvious that it were going to affect the whole production line, including low-end cars.
Paul, You and CD are one of the few Arg posters on this board that are against the K gov't I actually feel sorry for you. I can't imagine how terrible it would be to be trapped in that sh*thole with no way to escape.
Jan 09th, 2015 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I left when I finally realized that there was no hope for that country. Most of the people there want and need the corruption to survive. The corruption will never be rooted out. It has and will make your Society devolve.
I said long ago that Argentine would look more like Bolivia in a decade than the USA EU UK. And its been about 1/2 a decade and I am right.
@22 “Most of the people there want and need the corruption to survive.”
Jan 09th, 2015 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0What do you mean when you say most people need corruption to survive?
The Arg Society is based on corruption, it starts by being able to give the police $ not to give you a ticket, giving $ to have an inspector pass your dirty restaurant, your hotel without fire exits, knowing having gov't employees that get paid and never show up to work all the way up to having a Gov't Agency like Aerolineas buy out every hotel room at 3-5X the going rate at the Prez many hotels and never have the room occupied. Everyone knows about it and turns a blind eye. Breaking the laws, paying people off is laughed at people think you're dumb if you don't do it.
Jan 09th, 2015 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its not like that in civilized countries.
That is why your country is rotting.
It is rotting from the inside.
From the corruption
Like the Evita song..the money keeps rolling in...rolling in..and it keeps rolling out who cares if a little goes missing...
The stupidity and apathy has and is destroying the soul of your country
Horrible.
@24 Yes I get it, but most other countries, even those that are less civilized, progress despite rampant corruption.
Jan 09th, 2015 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 028%! Holy moley!
Jan 09th, 2015 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just so as you know Stevie, in the UK I think the average is a new car every five years or there about. My brother gets a new one every six months but he is an executive in the industry. We bought our first new car in nearly twelve years last year after our last one, a Mazda 6 became a money pit (actually it had always been a money pit but last year it shat it's nest for the last time). Any road. New car sales in the UK went up in 2014 despite people not buying a new car every year.
It's because your economy is in the toilet and ours is still viable. Might as well accept it.
25. Argentina ranks 107/177 most corrupt countries in the world and going lower every year.
Jan 09th, 2015 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is also the 4th most miserable country to live in.
On any scale you look at Argentina is devolving and has been since Peron.
The only way to fix it is to start with rooting out corruption but as I said there's no will to do it. The people are either too stupid to realize that's the problem, they are too lazy or my guess is thy depend upon the corruption to survive.
I've done business in Argentina, I tried to stay above board, it is almost impossible everyone has their hand out, everyone is threatening, rules and regs are contradictory so you can never be in compliance and the taxes are outrageous.
I clean business can not survive.
When hyperinflation truly hits I think most of not all Foreign mfgs will pack up and leave for good. En masse.
Then what?
“It's because your economy is in the toilet and ours is still viable. Might as well accept it”
Jan 09th, 2015 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What good is a “good” economy (a lie), when you are now living like scared mice? Europe, North America, Australia, Asia, etc...
I'm going on vacation! YEEEEEESSS!!!
I won't think for a second about being gun down, blown up, or taken hostage...
I feel sorry for you in the north, it's all burn baby burn for you.
Chau chau chau chau chau chau!!!!!! See ya in a week for yet another year of putting you all in place! Enjoy your free week.
28. If you are going on vacation in Argentina you better be worried about a violent assault, robbery and taken hostage. It happening way more often there than anywhere in the civilized world.
Jan 09th, 2015 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That protest yesterday I posted in BA was pretty fun looking.
@29
Jan 09th, 2015 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is the safest nation in the Americas. By all metrics. Bye bye.
30. Bahahahaha, no its not, are you crazy? Its one of the most dangerous by ALL metrics.
Jan 09th, 2015 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that's with falsified crime stats!!
Why do you think people live behind 12 foot walls and have armed guards? You don't see that north of Mexico I can assure you.
How sad your little world must be.
@31
Jan 09th, 2015 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one in my neighborhood, and no neighborhoods within 10 kilometers of me have “3 meter” walls. You are just delusional and it seems the fear and paranoia of living in the USA with mass shootings, racial holy war, and Islamic terrorism is getting to you.
If Argentina had a normal rate of money deposits in banks, crime would drop 29% according to a study (that is, if people didn't just have cash all over, the country where this most happens in the world, thanks to CAPITALISM who destroyed all faith in banks). If Argentina deported the 300.000 foreigners and illegals with criminal backgrounds, crime would drop another 14%. And if we jailed people at the rate of even Europe (.8%, let alone USA 2%... Argentina is .2%), crime would drop an additional 8%. Finally, if there was tougher sentences + more policing, crime would drop another 3%.
So we'd be the safest nation in the Americas by far. Sorry, those are the facts.
Imagine if YOU did not deport any criminals in the last 30 years, let go 90% of your jail population, and if the majority of Americans had stashes of cash at home, in the thousands or tens of thousands of dollars (sometimes hundreds of thousands).
Your crime would be 10 times worse!
You are comparing apples with oranges, sorry.
Pagina boi.......go take care of papi's pene..........vacationing with papi.......you go girl!!
Jan 09th, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your naivety and world ignorance at times is mind boggling.
IS this the vacation tobi you are going to Quba to have to penis converted to a vagina? Or are you just going to remain a Trans sexual?
BTW.....what is it like to judge the world you've never seen? Can you imagine science without empirical study?
@32
Jan 09th, 2015 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So we'd be the safest nation in the Americas by far. Sorry, those are the facts.”
Sorry pal, that's called Spurious Logic. ;)
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Except you can't do any of those things and you do have the crime that you have. I am not sure where you live but where I lived in Znorte BA every house had at 12 foot walls and guards, in fact when I moved a little further out we also had to have front back and patrol guards so that people didn't get carjack from teh hwy to the entrance of their property.
Jan 09th, 2015 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sur eyou have bars on your windows butyou probably live in too poor of an area to need walls, or you live in a slum that has a wall surrounding the whole area.
Remember I lived there, I know more about your country than you do. :)
Every time I see pictures from BA there is more graffiti and more trash on the streets. I don't know where Tobi claims to live but clearly his computer is in a windowless room.
Jan 09th, 2015 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I noticed that there are now numerous and serious travel advisories for people travelling to Argentina. Most have to do with crime and the near complete lack of police protection in many areas.
http://www.swedenabroad.com/sv-SE/Ambassader/Buenos-Aires/Reseinformation-sys/Reseinformation-Argentina-sys/
But the most telling travel advisories have nothing to do with crime. There is an advisory to not give children candy, since most children do not have access to dental care.
They are now recommending to take the yellow fever shot - that's a new one.
But here is my favorite - one of the most common complaint from Swedish citizens travelling in Argentina was that the letters and postcards they mailed to friends and family back home never showed up. If you place a postcard or letter in a mailbox or hand it to a hotel clerk it just disappears. The only reliable mail service is if you place it in the mail drop at the airport departure terminal in BA...
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Jan 09th, 2015 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0an english wannabe talking about dental care??
lol
LOL
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/British_teeth_1401.png
36. Its probably because Argentina hasn't paid their Intl deposit or used it all up and not replenished it.
Jan 09th, 2015 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When I lived there I used courier services and to mail home Fedex/UPS/DHL nothing else works. Plus you can't mail anything of value, any value because they'll steal it.
@27 yes whoever if other countries can find a way to progress despite corruption we must too. There is little that can be done about corruption, but sitting and doing nothing would be accepting that we are an inferior race. But then again, most people here are happy being inferior.
Jan 09th, 2015 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 I was in Mendoza last week, and average size new houses being built in the Las Heras suburb have Razor Wire and Electric Fences for security! Safe??
Jan 10th, 2015 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank God Nostrils has pissed off. You probably didn't want to hear that Australia'sprison population is only 0.15%. So even lower than Argentina's.
Jan 10th, 2015 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is the safest nation in the Americas.” and yet has a higher homicide rate than Canada, Cuba, Chile and....... THE US!
Bahahahaha
And with half Argentina's population, my country's homicide rate is about 10% of theirs at only 249..... perhaps the variable Nostrils left off is..... Argentineans?
40. Toby out right lies. Anyone who's every been to Argentina, even downtown BA can see private armed guards and 12 foot gates around the houses.
Jan 10th, 2015 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought about doing razor wire around my place but ended up going in with the neighbors on 2 extra guards at night instead.
Its a scary place if you have some $ and want to live nicely but in the end I wanted security over comfort and came back to the USA where I can leave my car running in front of the house and the front door unlocked.
I must admit that I leave the front door unlocked when I am home and even through the night. Also when I step out to the shop or take my Border Collie for a run or walk.
Jan 10th, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed a 5 minute search of the front yard will find the spare key and we switched the alarm off permanently when we moved in.
Nostrils is indeed delusional if he thinks this isn't more common on Oz than his slummy country.
My assistant is Colombian and I had to run in the house for 10min or so and it was cold out so I left the car running while I ran in the house and he said Only in America can you do that!
Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where I grew up my family lived there for 30+ yrs and we didn't even have keys to the house.
the only truth is that the u.s., south africa and britain are amongst the most violent and dangerous countries in the world.
Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz3OROtN87v
but the worst part is that criminals are their main exportation.
they are exactly like chile, perú, paraguay and bolivia in that sense.
the same kind of cesspit.
Coming form a country that their government tosses nuns out of helicopters ......now that's just priceless. I have a green 63 Ford Falcon for sale....interested?
Jan 10th, 2015 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 063?
Jan 10th, 2015 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0coupe?
you were the owner?
then NO.
maybe, you ignoramus, don't know that the dictadura was in the period 1976- 1983.
now, we are talking about common crimes here, understand?
and if you want to talk about the most dangerous countries for the rest of the countries, we can also include the u.k. in that list.
rotting roadkill, pay your debts.
Jan 10th, 2015 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the only truth is that the u.s., south africa and britain are amongst the most violent and dangerous countries in the world.”
Jan 11th, 2015 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0BULLSHIT!
Honestly Paul you are one dumb fuck.
First off, the article is SIX YEARS OLD fucknuckle. Secondly the article doesn't even qualify what is a “violent crime”. Third, countries where people trust the police and REPORT crime will always have higher rates of “recorded” crimes.
An intelligent person (or someone without an Argentine education) would question a claim of “Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa”.
Especially considering the article then says that with a homicide rate of 1.49/1,000 and ranking 13th in the EU would mean that 12 other EU countries have supposedly higher murder rates than the U.S. and South Africa.
However as Argentina's homicide rate is HIGHER than the U.S. and South Africa is about 30/1,000. So how does that work with the Daily Mail's SIX YEAR OLD CLAIM?
It is no wonder you have trouble finding work. You really aren't terribly bright or intelligent. You take things at face value like some simpleton. It is why you so easily fall for all the brainwashing your government pumps out. The UK, US and Australia are paradise compared to your corrupt slummy country and you know it.
You just can't stop googling about the UK all day every day. You're so jealous that you aren't British. The UK is more democratic and a more open society so you will always find articles about it. Argentina doesn't punlish proper statistics when they don't like what they say. Inflation or murder or economic growth.... anything to keep the ignorant idiots looking knew here for problems.
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Jan 11th, 2015 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0boludo
“First off, the article is SIX YEARS OLD fucknuckle”
exactly boludo, now it is a lot worse.
got it now, boludo?
Yes yes. 6 years ago your country had less poverty. Was less corrupt. Had infrastructure that worked better. Was richer and more democratic.
Jan 11th, 2015 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and you had a job.
Bahahahaha 6 years. Suck on it bitch.
My country shat all over yours 6 years ago and now you aren't even a skid mark. You're like Bolivia..... with a coastline.
Real Estate sales are back to 1998 levels in BA. They're down 52% since the gov't has required peso sales.
Jan 11th, 2015 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is why Paul is so enraged and jealous of outsiders.
His world collapsed the middle part of last year
and he on a downward slope mentally since then
I doubt he'll make it through this decade or generational realignment that they're going through.
I wouldn't be surprised if the USA cuts off all visas soon...
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Jan 11th, 2015 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“My country...... blablabla”
agin you imbecile, you dont have a country.
all you have there is a sad 4th class colony.
capisci?
52
as always yankeeboy mixing pears and apples.
the real estate business is collapsed since these twats applied the cepo.
but construction is alive and kicking in the ciudad de buenos aires and the corredor norte.
not only because of public works in b.a., vicente lópez, san isidro and tigre, but also because of private ones.
building 1 m2 is +/- 40% cheaper in dollars than in 2011.
and the rental price per m2 of a A+ office is more or less the same in dollars than in 2011.
so, do the maths, genius.
Sweetie I've done the math and it never has been a good investment. Paying in U$ and getting back pesos is a lose lose in every case.
Jan 11th, 2015 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW even Indec stats say construction is dead, dead, dead.
On the topic of cars:
Jan 11th, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can anyone identify even a single positive thing about the auto industry in rotting roadkill?
Lets give it a try. OK ?
Here goes:
The auto industry is polluting less (because they are building fewer cars).
Auto industry employees have more time to spend with their families (because they have no work).
The auto industry is consuming less electricity.
Get the idea?
Positive things instead of negative. Smaegol always starts trashing other countries because no one says anything nice about rotting roadkill or the rotting roadkillians.
The assembly lines are generating less noise.
Car salesman can spend more time in the bar.
Is that why you can't find work Paul? Instead of reds under the beds you see Falkland Islanders EVERYWHERE.
Jan 11th, 2015 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every non-Argentine on this site is from the Falkland Islands. You must have been a star pupil for La Campora at school. I mean you already show how bad Argentina's education system is but now you show how easily everyone falls for propoganda.
I swear you are one of the strongest supporters of CFK and Peronism on this site.
You know, it's tragically comical that you country used to be richer, more powerful, more influential and more prosperous than mine. And now you aren't even in the same league. I mean who compares Australia and Argentina or includes us as even equals? Your country is now a poor (not even developing but devolving) country that is prone to violence and coups. While mins is one of th richest, most stable and most prosperous on the planet.
And how do that happen? When people like you started voting.
People that will do anything to turn the narrative to problems elsewhere. People that see the Falklands as important. That see Falkland Islanders wherever they look.
Russia attempted to make homo soveticus and failed. But argentina finally made homo argentineas. A bumbling, stupid, ignorant, blind follower that will do anything to perpetuate those corrupt arseholes in power. Oh you say you don't like them but your actions speak louder than words.
46. “Coming form a country that their government tosses nuns out of helicopters ......now that's just priceless. I have a green 63 Ford Falcon for sale....interested?”
Jan 11th, 2015 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Campers call these flying nuns?
Hey campers, the only regimes that have killed more of their own people than the facists are the lefties. Mao? Stalin? Can you count? lol
perronist dogs and voodoo econ - just priceless. Can you say Cooooba? Keynes? lol. Viva la Chavezistas! It is all just a a yanqui imperialist plot! lol.
47. Stevie.....perhaps I was just a driver. Nothing comm on about that period. And not all would agree it was a crime. A shame nasty nestor and cunt lips kirchner eluded the “flight of the falcon”
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