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Hollande admits Muslims are “the first victims of fanaticism, fundamentalism and intolerance”.

Friday, January 16th 2015 - 06:24 UTC
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President Francois Hollande assured Muslims in France and abroad that his country respected them and their religion but would not compromise its commitment to freedom and democracy. Read full article

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  • Bongo

    If magazines like Charlie Hebdo offend you there is a simple tactic you can employ.

    Don't buy it.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    There are over 500 no go areas in all of France.
    http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/

    People are obviously going to be pissed off by this. You don’t solve things by attacking symptoms instead of the root of the problem. Pegida is just a symptom, Le pen is just a symptom.

    I find it really stupid that the left is chanting “Ohh it’s the right wing party taking benefit of this tragedy”

    Well Of course Marine Le Pen is going to reap support from this!! She has being warning this for years and years and she has proven to be right.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    A typically stupid thing for Hollande to come out with. It isn't muslims that are the first victims, it's everyone else. Take a look at the pictures in this article - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2911717/Hang-cartoonists-Pakistani-Muslims-demand-death-sentence-Charlie-Hebdo-staff.html - they're demented. And as for their sentiment; suppose the rest of us decide to go screaming mad and demand that everyone with a copy of the Quran should be hanged, or stoned to death.

    Pictures and sentiments such as these confirm my long held belief that Islam isn't a religion. It's a cult. A death cult. It's worth examining history and seeing what Islam's founder was like. Started off with fighting the Meccan tribes for eight years. Fortunately, it was okay because he managed to produce some Quranic verses permitting muslims to fight Meccans. How convenient. Then gathered an army of 10,000 muslim converts and marched on Mecca. Then sent out his followers to destroy every 'pagan' temple in Eastern Arabia. Not activities that I recall being attributed to Jesus.

    There are questions over the Quran. Reckoned to be what people remembered. Or is it what other people thought they'd have in there. “Kill all unbelievers”. Isn't that fanaticism, fundamentalism and intolerance? And these are individuals that we allow into normal, democratic countries? Then there's the offer of 72 virgins for killing unbelievers. Where would they get the virgins? Given their attitudes toward FGM and their women, where would they get 72 virgins?

    As you work through islamic tradition, you can see all the signs of cultism. For instance, when the wife, Aisha, was accused of adultery, the founder had a divine revelation saying she was innocent and directing that the charges be supported by four eyewitnesses. Obviously, islam has a different definition of adultery if you have to organise a party during which to do it.

    It's a cult. Nothing more. What should we do with dangerous cults?

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @2

    A “zone sensible” in France is not a “no go” area.

    It is what is typically referred to in English as an area of urban deprivation. I believe you have those in Argentina too. France actually has more than 700.

    I'm sure you'll be relieved to learn that once again there's no need to panic.

    http://www.insee.fr/fr/methodes/default.asp?page=definitions/zone-urbaine-sensible.htm

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Not all ZUS are no go areas, but many of them are of the 700 ZUS there is realistically there are 500 no go areas.

    Places where police and officials dont even dare come in. Places from where the Charlie Hebdo killers were raised.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @5

    OK, this is constructive.

    So we've established that a ZUS and a no go area aren't quite the same thing. It seems reasonable enough to assume, however, that the no go areas would be a subset of the ZUS, given that wealthy areas typically are quite happy to welcome police and officials.

    So the question is how and by whom the figure of 500 no go areas among the ZUS was calculated? After all, the Kouachi brothers and their accomplices can't have been raised in 500 places at once.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    No its not, you are cynical and dishonest as always

    How many no go areas according to YOU there is in France??

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @7

    I have no idea. I am simply asking you where you got the figure of 500 from.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Common tell me how much of those ZUS do you assume are no go zones.

    I'm pretty acquainted with your dirty little games and weasel talk.

    How many no go zones grouped in quartiers are there in all of FRANCE including the bigger districts of Lyon, Argenteuil, Marseille ??

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @9

    I told you already. I don't know. That's why I'm asking you what your source of information is.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Because you want to attack it, that is why. You have no idea of how many no go zones there is in France, you are only interested in finding out where it comes from and then google the source and go shit searching to attack it.

    Now I formally invite you to please fuck off

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @11

    Now, now. There's no reason to get tetchy. It's just a debate.

    It's really perfectly simple. I am interested in the topic of no go areas in France, because I go there quite a lot. Nw you state there are 500 no go areas in France, and in support of that you link a list of ZUS. But then you tell em that a ZUS is not quite the same as a no go area. So I ask you how you identify the 500 no go areas among the ZUS, and you get all huffy and defensive about it.

    Honestly, a person less charitable than myself might conclude that you have picked the figure of 500 out of your own arse if not someone else's.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Please forgive us…lol

    Toe-curling diplomacy: US woos France with hugs, kisses and a VERY awkward rendition of 'You've Got a Friend' by James Taylor to make up for snubbing terror march
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
    scroll down to it,
    //////
    The US Secretary of State made sure the world was in no doubt of how close the bond between the French and the Americans was with this awkward hug outside the Elysee Palace with President Francois Hollande this morning.
    Ah FRANCE= Who loves ya baby-
    Sadley not this lot.
    /////////
    Photographer is shot in chest as hundreds of Charlie Hebdo protesters clash with police in Pakistan outside French embassy
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
    as above just scroll down.
    ,,,,
    Meanwhile, whilst this love affair was going on,
    ISIS behead and shoot dead 17 people in desperate bid to maintain control of Syrian 'caliphate'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    For those who think you can talk to these terrorist from hell….

    .

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    I really don’t care where you think that numbers come from until you actually provide your numbers and sources I will provide mine. Only then I can debate.

    And this is going to be my policy from now on with scum such as yourself.

    Now you can dive in a little deeper into yourself.

    @13 briton

    More than one in every three Brits self-censors on topics such as religion and immigration, according to a new poll

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/08/a-third-of-brits-self-censor-thanks-to-britains-culture-of-silence/

    And no wonder with such ugly and ridiculous creatures that we see here with all the weasel talk, race baiting and all

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @14

    I told you twice already. I don't have any numbers or sources. That's why I have't given one.

    But you've given a number, and it seems a perfectly simple question to ask how it was it calculated. I can't imagine why you won't answer, and get your knickers all in a twist just because somebody asks.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Re state my exact comment @11

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @16
    Well since you're being so huffy about it, I did my own search for “zone interdite en France” and all I can find is this article commenting upon a report from those Birmingham experts Fox News.

    http://www.bfmtv.com/societe/fox-news-parle-de-zones-interdites-aux-non-musulmans-en-france-857328.html

    The credibility of Fox News is somewhat undermined by the fact that they think Toulouse is in the Alps, Cannes is where Montpellier is, and Strasbourg is in Austria. It also transpires that in the alleged Muslim no go areas, the proportion of foreigners (not all foreigners are EekAMuslim! of course) is less than 10%.

    Curiously, they don't mention this figure of 500 at all. So I'm assuming that you must have a more reliable source for your information. I mean, I'm sure you wouldn't want to be misleading anybody.

    Over to you ...

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    I don’t care what the French media thinks of Fox news. In fact ALL EUROPEAN MEDIA is running in oversupply of cool aid and attacking the messenger tactics. Come back when you have a definitive number.

    Remember like you did an arse of yourselves when you invented the 50.000 extremist all over the Muslim world. Then you invented a bizarre estimate trimming and cutting out the US State departments list of terrorist. LOL, not even worth looking at.

    My estimates according to legitimate sources where between 180 million all the way to 700 million. And you would do nothing but talk the hind leg off the donkey.

    So go and suck a lemon.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    New Research Charts Europe’s Inexorable Slide Toward Islam
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/16/new-research-charts-europes-inexorable-slide-toward-islam/

    Reading the replies at the bottom.
    Interesting mmmm
    .
    true or false, one thing is certain,
    We as in all of us will reap what our politician do in Our name..

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @18

    But that's the whole point. I don't have a definitive number. I'm quite willing to accept yours, but it's only sensible to ask first how you got it. Why is that so hard?

    I mean, seriously, surely you don't want the good readers of Mercopress to think it's just some piece of bogus bullshit you made up. That wouldn't be good for your credibility.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @20 He probably read this:

    “Recently, in a January 10 segment, so-called expert Nolan Peterson appeared on the network to explain that there were 741 Muslim-dominated ”no-go zones“ around France, in which French law is powerless and al-Qaeda recruits on the streets. Next to a map of Paris with the eek-scary ”no-go zones“ highlighted in red, Peterson explained that ”I've been to Afghanistan, Iraq, and Kashmir [in India]— and at times it felt like that in [Paris].“ ”

    But not this:

    ”Peterson has since apologized for some of his claims (though not all of them). But the Fox News seems to really, sincerely believe in no-go zones dominated by European Muslims, an idea the network has hit on repeatedly.”

    Things must have really deteriorated since my last visit to Paris - about a year ago - and Cannes - six months ago. The only crimes I encountered were being overcharged for a drink in the hotel bar. And the rich Russian and Arab young men driving their gold and gem encrusted lamborghinis and bugattis. Crimes against style and class.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @18, @21

    I'm sorry to say, the number of French no go zones isn't the only number I'm having a little difficulty with. I'm a little puzzled by the estimate of 180 million to 700 million EekAMuslim! terrorists.

    Now this is a truly, truly scary figure. And here's exactly how scary it is: until the EekAMuslim! terrorist horde came about, the largest armed force in the world was the People's Liberation Army of China with a strength of approximately 2,285,000 personnel, or 0.18% of the country's population. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army).

    And here we have ranged against a force of terrorists implacably opposed to Western democratic values, etc, etc, etc, and it's somewhere between 80 and 350 times bigger than the People's Liberation Army of China!

    Oh my Good God Almighty! That would scare anybody!

    But my question is this: what on earth is a terrorist horde between 80 and 350 times bigger than the People's Liberation Army of China doing fucking about killing cartoonists?

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    @22
    When are you going to own up that you were already owned on that??

    Hollande admits Muslims are “the first victims of fanaticism, fundamentalism and intolerance”.............

    Nope, French Jews are “the first victims of fanaticism, fundamentalism and intolerance, and will soon enough leave to Israel as the Jews of Malmö did.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @23

    Let's not change the subject now we've identified the stupendous magnitude of the threat that confronts us.

    It's regrettable, of course, that the first time you came out with these figures, you provided in support an article that completely demolished your own argument. But this curious phenomenon is quite common among Argentine posters, and let's not worry about it just now. Let's just assume that the figures of 150-800 million EekAMuslim! terrorists, or 80-350 People's Liberation Armies worth, is entirely justified and 100% correct.

    Now this raises an extremely scary question: Where are they all? We've seen from the US State Department figures that a maximum of 150,000 of them belong to recognisable terrorist organisations throughout the world. Recently in France we've seen 4, Belgium 3, plus their support networks, and one lone loony in Australia. But this is only a teeny percentage of just one People's Liberation Army worth, never mind 80-350 of them. So where are all the other sick bastards?

    I thought maybe they might be hiding out in the 500 no go areas in France, but that doesn't seem quite likely either. Somebody would surely have noticed by now if a population bigger than that of France, Germany, and the UK combined was hiding out in the zones sensibles, and they'd be able to tell which of the zones sensibles it was?

    But that's not the only thing either. It's what they're doing that I'm worried about. If there's 350 People's Liberation Armies worth of them, how come we're not all dead or facing Mecca already?

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @24 You did it again. I doff my cap.

    I watched the programme we were discussing. It was as revolting as I anticipated but confirmed my views that they are a bunch of misfits, losers and thugs. Unable to fit in to society and mostly unemployed, they are full of resentment and hatred just looking for a target. This week it is muslims but their incoherent ramblings confirmed they had little understanding of why they hated them. They just did.

    The away-days, complete with homemade ham sandwiches, getting drunk and mouthy, and then looking for a fight would have been almost comical had they not involved picking on innocents and draining police resources. When they couldn't find a muslim victim they just fought amongst themselves and showed them for what they are.

    The chap at the end who suddenly realised he was 'too old for this behaviour' was fascinating. That he had a Millwall F.C. tattoo said it all. The success in managing football hooliganism (they were never fans) has led them to look for new excuses for flighting and currently it is muslims.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • wesley mouch

    Death by Muslim: 17
    Death by anti Muslim fanticism: 0

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @25

    There was something oddly engaging about that Colin guy, he was quite conscious right from the start that he'd just followed a natural progression out of football hooliganism. And something terribly sad about the man who'd lost his son in Afghanistan. The rest were just knuckle-draggers.

    @26
    You just need to adjust your time scales a little :
    Anders Brievik: 77 in 2011
    Srebrenica: 8000 in 1995
    Sabra and Chatila: 760-3500 in 1982

    Not that any of it excuses any of the rest of it. Fanatics are all the same. They just come in different flavours.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    A week after the attacks there was 2000 applications to immigrate to Israel from Jewish community on France.

    Immigration to Israel has being skyrocketing since 2012 amidst the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-ovVA97q8g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    And Hollande says the first victims of fanaticism, fundamentalism and intolerance are the Jews....

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @28

    It's quite shocking that there is a long tradition of ant-semitism in France which the French have never managed to eradicate completely. Even now your girl friend's Dad Jean-Marie is going round claiming that the Charlie Hebdo attacks were organised by Israel and the US with the aim of starting a religious war.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-jeanmarie-le-pen-says-french-terror-attacks-were-work-of-western-intelligence-9985047.html

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    That is just a conspiracy theory like I here from Toby or everywhere on the net. Jean-Marie has being in French politics for decades, and its Marine whos the boss and she is pro Israel
    Other than that he never walked into a Kosher shop and started shooting at people or whatever... France for decades has had the largest population of Jews of Europe. But only in the past 5 years or so antisemitism has being on the rise and we all know from were it comes from.... the ragheads.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @30

    Who wouldn't be nervous with 80-350 People's Liberation Armies worth of EekAMuslim! terrorists, the extreme right resurgent, and the grand pappy of hate trying to blame the whole mess on you?

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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