Pope Francis, speaking of last week's deadly attacks by Islamist militants in Paris, has defended freedom of expression, but said it was wrong to provoke others by insulting their religion and that one could expect a reaction to such abuse. Read full article
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Cue lots of obnoxious remarks from our resident atheist smallthinkers ( if that's not a provocative thing to say!).Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Cue stupid remarks from religious nutters whose beliefs lay at the root of almost all wars and strife in our world.Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
He echoes my thoughts exactly....Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
What happened to turning the other cheek?Jan 16th, 2015 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
@4 What? And get another punch?Jan 16th, 2015 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
The ayatollah of Rome has spoken.Jan 16th, 2015 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
traga cabeza dura por el ortoJan 16th, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
better than any muslim or yiddo terrorist, no?
I find the Pope's remark about punching someone who insults your mother as rather alarming.Jan 16th, 2015 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
He is set up as appointed by God to be His spokesman on Earth and to be infallible according to the R.C. creed.
If I remember my Bible correctly, did not Jesus say turn the other cheek and never resort to violence !
A bit of a dichotomy here !!
7.Jan 16th, 2015 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Bend over to your ayatollah of Rome as you did in the rugby clubs showers to fetch the soap, little faggot.
Liberals, politically correct appeasers are worse than the islamic terrorists.
@8. 'He is set up as appointed by God to be His spokesman on Earth and to be infallible according to the R.C. creed.'Jan 16th, 2015 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
If he's set up as appointed by God, why do they need the papal conclave? Let's face it, the Pope is the CEO of one of the biggest multinationals in the world. And he wears a dress. And, as an argie, what connection does he have to an Abrahamic religion?
Feisty old guy. I kinda like the idea of a Pope having a good right cross. Although it does beg the question: how old is his mum?Jan 16th, 2015 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I can forsee a flood of Pope-themed 'Yo mama' jokes flooding the internet.
It really takes the biscuit when one of the worlds holy men threatened violence,Jan 16th, 2015 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
yet I suppose this is the changing world we live in today,
or the pope is expressing future violent catholic out breaks
even the catholic church needs a distraction for internal problems
but did he have to provoke violence,
just stay well away from the holy skirt then...lol
You can take The Pope out of the Villa but you can't take the Villa out of The Pope.Jan 16th, 2015 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I rather like this Pope as he challenges some of the more fundamentalist views. His words were ill-advised for obvious reasons but I doubt he gives a shit.
”Do you not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?Jan 16th, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Pope Julius III 1550-1555 (1487 - 1555)
The Vatican seems to have gone down the drain lately.
I see the settling in period is now over, time for the true Argentine to come out.Jan 16th, 2015 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
#10Jan 16th, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Ask a Roman Catholic, not me. It's them that believe it.
Yes, dont say mean things about religion.... because its *special*.Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
(and because people might stop going on about all the paedos in the RC church that way...)
Yes, don’t say mean things about religion.... because its *special*.Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
You mean like Fried rice is special?
A joke to lighten the mood,
Police patrol car sees a woman driving at speed
And knitting whilst driving ,
They pull along side and the policeman in the passenger seat shouts across at the woman and says,
She shouts back
It’s a Jumper….lol
I cant believe her words and opinions are so nailed 36 years on religion, the existance of God, feminism, terrorism, the Israeli/Arab conflict, economy and so on. She would have never voted for a female president!Jan 16th, 2015 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@9 CabezaDura2,Jan 16th, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
-politically correct appeasers are worse than the islamic terrorists.
Oh how very true.
You have hit the nail, right on its head.
@ 18 Briton,
That joke is so weak & feeble that it is funny.
Still giggling to myself! Lolz.
20@Jan 16th, 2015 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
we reap what we sow,
we /us /our governments will give up everything in the name of something or some one, to a people that will give up nothing,
Talk abt loins being led by donkies..
Just a few words, one question...Jan 16th, 2015 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
WHY NOT., FRANCIS....???
Have ever heard you about FREEDOM OF THINKING & SPEECH....???
Tehe Inquisition Age has finished long time ago....
Have you ever respected us, the atheist....??? Shut your mouth and then think about, Francisco. Ah..!!! Don´t forget the old bonfire where you used to talk with the free minded people....
If you replace shouldn''t where he says can't I think I understand what he means. If you don't have a sense of humor, if your culture does not accept the humor of satire, you will never understand what satire is. In a democracy, we are free to express satire. And unfortunately history shows freedom has paid a price.Jan 17th, 2015 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I really can't understand why the head of a global organisation (that relies on people believing in an invisible magic man in the sky who does not actually seem to do anything) would be against challenging people's beliefs when they are based purely on faith and not evidence.Jan 17th, 2015 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Could he possibly have an interest in keeping people ignorant?
24@ You forgot to mention the word Commercial before global organization....with the sentence do what I say, not what I do as its leivmotiv....Jan 17th, 2015 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Another tyrannical organisation speaks out about 'acceptable' violence.Jan 17th, 2015 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Nothing new there then
Argentina sends in the Pope to Tacloban. Meanwhile British aid is stolen.Jan 17th, 2015 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
@1,Jan 17th, 2015 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Christ on a bike mate, - Are you for real?
You actually think somebody/something listens to you when you pray?
And gives a flying fkuck?
Sort your head out, and stay away from my kids.
9 traga cabeza dura por el ortoJan 17th, 2015 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
funny you say that, traga cabeza dura por el orto.
it is very easy to recognize a stinky faggot, come pijas like you, most of all when you try to appear as a misogynist.
Liberals, politically correct appeasers are worse than the islamic terrorists
says the faggot who shits his already dirty pants everytime he sees a gun.
islamic terrorists are the same shite as israeli politicians, you stinky yiddo traga cabeza dura por el orto.
29.Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Funny that you are enfacing on certain things.. You are just being jealous because I am armed, I am a macho that doesn’t get pushed around by women and lefties, and I know what I’m talking about. And you know it, you have read it. That says much more about yourself than anything else.
You know fuck all of the Middle East; I can’t even bother to lesson you. Go and beg those “Stinky Yiddos” for a job in the city.
Get over it. Little faggot
@15. If he's a 'true argie', how will he run in that dress?Jan 17th, 2015 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@29. What an amazing little faggot you are. Why don't you take your tongue out of your arse?
@9Jan 17th, 2015 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Liberals, politically correct appeasers are worse than the islamic terrorists.
Actually, that's not true. Liberals are pretty harmless, for the most part. What's worse is those would-be swinging dicks fuck-witted enough to give the islamic terrorists exactly what they want.
Funny because the terrorist got exactly what they wanted from the liberal politically correct appeasers from the west already. The new Director ill spoke of Charlie Hebdo just days ago blaming it all on him, he apologized for drawing Mohammed again.Jan 17th, 2015 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Likewise very few papers and news agencies in the West dared to publish the cartoons. All while the Muslim word senses the western weakness and rages in violence and anger once more
So yes the terrorist managed to triumph over freedom of speech, the west retreats in cowardice and appeasement once more. Job done.
Channel 4 has your cool aid documentary of a couple of very dangerous “extreme angry confused right wing whites”. Enjoy that and fuck off
And remember girls HamasNisund's advice if you are raped by an Asian gang dont even scream because that is what the terrorist want, just look the other way and think about those nasty men you have seing in Channel 4 and it will end soon.
@33Jan 17th, 2015 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Actually they didn't get what they want. What they want is to wind up those dumb enough to think that the way to tackle them is to start a religious war. They did get a few, but as the marches in France showed, most people are too smart to fall for it. I guess there just aren't enough argiehadis in the world.
And why does every conversation end up in your sexual anxieties?
Liberals, politically correct appeasers are worse than the islamic terrorists.Jan 17th, 2015 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Thank you for proving once more why I’m correct in your own words.
CabezaDura, l sometimes agree with you, BUT, you put people offside by your insults & swearing.Jan 17th, 2015 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Can l ask you to tone it down just a little?
You are correct however about Appeasers.
l wasn't even born then, but l still feel guilty & full of disgust when l think about our shabby treatment of Czechoslovakia in 1938.
Appeasement starts wars.
Appeasers & pc idiots are frightened traitors.
Not a lot more needs to be said.
l have lived in Asia & Asians are very rarely appeasers.
lt seems more a sickness of the western world.
What we need are politicians with a bit of back-bone.
lnstead of some lily-livered, here today-gone-tomorrow, keep-it-quiet until l get my pension creature.
Sometimes, l despair.
Hope for Peace, but prepare for war.
Or as Oliver Cromwell said,
”Trust in God, but keep your (gun)powder dry”.
Ok I will try to swear less, but you would help me far more if you would openly condemn the trolls and PC appeasing gang that are after me all over the place as well as disgusting fouled anti-Semitic pricks (If you think I was excessive you don’t want me to translate what Paulcedron said to me) instead of giving me Mum talks.Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Because if I don’t call them for what they truly are, who else would do?
@37Jan 18th, 2015 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Well this a welcome development.
Might I just add that your credibility as an armed macho who isn't afraid of women and liberals would be enhanced if you didn't whine about being bullied by women and liberals every time somebody pours cold water on your fantastical posturings.
Just saying, like.
Pope Francis: “You can't insult religions of othersJan 18th, 2015 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
David Cameron, yes you can, he would defend the right to insult,
Who is right, are they both right and wrong,
Just some interesting FACTS,
This week a child was suspended from school for asking a fellow pupil if he cam from Africa,
The head says it was insulting and raciest.
A fellow was removed from big brother and another was removed for insulting behaviour.
A football player was sent of for referring to the ref, as a foreigner, as this was insulting
Funny old thing RIGHTS, it seems its OK if you have the power or the backing of ??
But if you are the poor individual person with an opinion you seem to have no rights,
Some say it political correctness running alongside the right to insult,
I.E, if you live in a political society as [ brits ] do, and possibly others may do, then you have no right,
But if you are a foreigner in a PC Society it seems you do,
But am I also wrong, who knows,
Perhaps I should ask David before committing myself…lol
Just a thought.
39.Jan 19th, 2015 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Don’t worry, I’m sure your government and media elite will accomplish with political correctness big brother State and bending over backwards in a few years what Ataturk and the Turkish military rule of Turkey for over a century failed to do: Secularize Islamic society and make it more European like.
Just to make it clear for talking against Islam you better be a drunkard social misfit and come out on Channel 4, for the high city girls & boys repulse in disgust. That is easy to downplay
Now if you are rational, educated and succinct, and talk fact then you are a dangerous man.
And you go to jail for quoting none other than Winston Churchill views on Islam…
What does the media do to hide the uncomfortable truth ??
Well you know the saying If Mohammed will not go to the mountain, the mountain must come to Mohammed.
Obvious. Attempt to make Churchill a Muslim.. So to make it clear if they dont adapt, you have to adapt even your history to them.
Thats how it works!
Irony aside Im really, really fascinated and amazed from a socio psychological point of view how centuries long cultures are racing on a highway to extinction. Just amazing and really creepy
@40Jan 19th, 2015 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Sorry, I'm a little confused here. Am I supposed to be responding to Ah ha! Churchill hated Muslims! (Daily Mail) or Shock! Horror! Churchill was nearly a Muslim! (Telegraph)?
Pending further clarification, it also seems that once again there is no need to panic about the gross injustice meted out to plummy voiced loony right extremist and mentor of Anders Breivik, Paul Weston. It seems he was never jailed and his freedom of speech never called into question. Let's let those well-known leftard extremists the police explain it :
Police Commissioner Simon Hayes responded to the media coverage on the Hampshire Police and Crime Commission website:
It has been wrongly suggested that Mr Weston was arrested for reciting passages written by Winston Churchill. I understand he was not welcome outside the Winchester Guildhall, the Police were called and he was asked to move on. I also understand that he was not prepared to move on and was arrested for this reason.
Members of the public are of course at liberty to debate issues of importance to them in private or public spaces. However, there must be a level of decorum and decency.
Hampshire Constabulary has an obligation to ensure action is taken if decency or safety is put at risk and, if there is any reason to suspect they have intervened unnecessary [sic], this will be investigated.
As far as I am aware, this is not so in this case. With the local and European elections coming up, it is important to register that there is a great deal of politically motivated spin going on at the moment which it [sic] is having a significant impact on local policing - both in terms of vital frontline rescourse [sic] and reputation.
Moderate conservatives such as myself are mostly quite happy at the police's propensity to move people on when they're deliberately trying to foment trouble. It's one of the practices that has prevented us becoming, e.g Argentina.
Already being shit searching troll boy ??? Lovely spinJan 19th, 2015 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Arrested for quoting Churchill. The speaker taken from him as the paper from he read the quote.
Moderate conservatives such as myself
You are a disgusting lefty politically correct appeaser.
@42Jan 19th, 2015 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
It's shocking though, isn't it? There was an excellent quote from Churchill in there too - the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog.
I'm with Winston on this, myself. I think extremists are like crisps. They come in a bewildering variety of flavours, but they're all crisps in the end. The Smokey Bacons would have us believe there's nothing worse under the sun than the Cheese and Onions, and vice versa, but fundamentally they all need and deserve each other, they're little different, and they're all bad for you.
Have you seen this other appalling act of censorship? The Norwegian authorities, apparently, have been blocking the correspondence of Anders Breivik.
You remember Anders, I take it, he's the valiant warrior who shot down a few dozen unarmed teenage picnickers in order to save Norway from the EekAMuslim! invasion.
It seems poor old Anders has been having a terribly rough time of it in the Norwegian hellhole the disgusting lefty politically correct appeasers have consigned him to. In an act of aggravated torture, the authorities have refused to upgrade his PlayStation 2 to a PlayStation 3.
I wouldn't be surprised if those self-same so called authorities would quite happily stand idly by and let him be bullied by women and moderate conservatives on obscure message boards.
Why dont you read and comment on the whole Winston Churchill quote on Islam ??? I thought not. Cherry pick your stuff as usual.Jan 19th, 2015 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I dont care what Anders Breivik did nor who he was.
I think he is just a synthom of more to come if Islam and political correctness is not tacked in Europe.
While l would never condone what Anders Breivik did, l can understand why he did it.Jan 19th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Why is that hard for people to see?
He was hitting back at the party who had allowed, nay actively encouraged muslim immigration into Norway.
l see rapes of Norwegian women by muslim immigrants is getting higher.
The raped women should hold the pc-idiots who allowed muslim immigration, responsible.
The Norwegian people deserve better than this.
lslam IS the problem.
@44Jan 20th, 2015 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Of course I read the whole comment. Not the first time I've seen it either. It's pretty much the kind of attitude you'd expect from somebody who spent his formative years in the dusty corners of the British Empire more than a century ago. It has little relevance to the problems we face today. And I doubt very much Churchill would have been happy to find himself hijacked by the likes of Paul Weston and the Argentine Electrode Appreciation Society.
@46.Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Of course a Troll much that spent is formative years in a PC bubble would have far more relevance, than a Man that was educated in the best victorian schools at the time, had read enourmous amounts of history and had actually fought and served in the frontiers.
@47Jan 20th, 2015 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
One hundred years ago. Things have moved on a little since the victorian school room. That's why there's nobody within 100 light years of Churchill's stature spouting the kind of fear-stricken guilt by association that floats your boat.
One hundred years ago. Things have moved on a little since the victorian school room.Jan 20th, 2015 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
But Islam has not, its being the same since over a millenium... And from those Victorian schools, the people that ruled the world came from. His opinions are far more realistic and up to date than yours are.
@49Jan 20th, 2015 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
If that were the case, you'd think many more people would share those opinions. As it is, it's mostly just those who're lost in life unless they've got something to be scared of, and those who seek to exploit them. It was ever thus.
If that were the case, you'd think many more people would share those opinions.Jan 20th, 2015 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Kind of difficult when you get arrested from quoting them!!!
@51Jan 20th, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Nobody got arrested for quoting anything. Weston got arrested for refusing to move on when invited to do so by the police. Moving people on in order to prevent a disturbance is a police power that is of course most typically used against left wing protesters, since most protesters in the UK tend to be left wing. And so it has most often been used against students, strikers, anti-war protesters, etc, etc.
Reading between the lines, free speech hero Weston clearly set out to make a martyr of himself, and was met with the weary forbearance the police typically deploy in such situations. Those of a more hysterical disposition have interpreted this as another element in the collapse of civilisation, but it's no big deal really. All Weston had to do was set up his soapbox somewhere else.
Otherwise, I'm kind of surprised to find you complaining about steps to ban Islamic hate preachers such as Anjem Choudary. I'm not in favour of that, myself, I'm all in favour of letting assholes reveal themselves, whatever flavour of crisps they happen to represent.
Why do you lie ?? A Hampshire police spokesman said: 'A 50-year-old man from Dorset was arrested outside Winchester Guildhall at approximately 2.30pm on Saturday, April 26 after he failed to comply with a section 27 dispersal orderJan 20th, 2015 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The dispersal order was issued following complaints from members of the public about the man's behaviour
He was further arrested on suspicion of religious/racial harassment. [after 40 minutes explination to the cops]
At about 3pm he was arrested. They searched him, put him in a police van and took him away.
So you have mass protests of the likes of Anjem Choudary and radical clerics while Weston gets arrested for quoting Churhill and Geert Wilders is persona non grata in the UK.
And we know who be de facto side you and the establishment are
@53Jan 20th, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
C'mon, pay attention. That's no different from what I said happened., viz. after he failed to comply with a section 27 dispersal order
As a moderate conservative, I don't go in for all this PC stuff myself, but it's hard to take Weston's desperate bid for martyrdom and attention seriously. It would have been fun if they'd stuck him in a cell with Anjem Choudary, but you can't have everything. And at least they just stuck him in a van, not a Ford Falcon.
In any event, I reckon the Charlie Hebdo atrocity has pretty much put an end to excessive PC sensibility.
He was further arrested on suspicion of religious/racial harassment [quoting Churchill]Jan 20th, 2015 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
That is a fact, he was questioned for 40 minutes and then arrested. It wasnt please Sir move along, he explained himself and was then arrested on those grounds.
If you cant deal with facts then you are not a moderate conservative. You are a PC cunt and thats all there is to you. cant you see how pathetic you are on denial of titles and articles now?
@55Jan 20th, 2015 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
He wasn't questioned for 40 minutes. He argued with the police for 40 minutes before they got fed up of him and stuck him in the van. Which was of course what he wanted all along.
That's a shame, but the police have got this funny idea they're supposed to maintain public order, and this applies to right wing nutjob attention seekers just as much as anybody else.
Well what ever I said 40 min explination. Obviously to explain something you need somebody come an ask you a question. Or not??Jan 20th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
What does it matter what Weston wanted according to you??? The fact is he was further arrested on suspicion of religious/racial harassment
@57Jan 20th, 2015 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
And he was never charged with anything.
Is this really the best martyr you can come up with?
Ohhh than you for not pressing charges for quoting Churchill he must have replied! LOLJan 20th, 2015 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@59Jan 20th, 2015 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Don't be silly. He was monumentally pissed off they wouldn't charge him. All he got for his trouble was a storm in a teacup.
Your assumptions. He was arrested for quoting Churchill. You lost troll. Piss offJan 20th, 2015 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@61Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
As ever, all round the houses and back to the start again.
He'd like it believed he was arrested for quoting Churchill, but what he did was engineer an arrest for a public order offence. Some people are dumb enough to fall for it, mostly nuts who want to believe it.
Weston's moment of glorious martyrdom is over now, and he's back being a nut on the nut sites and squabbling with the other nuts on the extreme right. Western civilization remains safe for moderate conservatives. Move along here, nothing to see.
Again. Your assumptions as if you were inside Weston's mind. He was arrested for quoting Churchill. FACT. You lost troll. Piss offJan 20th, 2015 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@63Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Believe what you like. You usually do.
HansNiesund @CabezaDura2Jan 21st, 2015 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Well this a welcome development.
Might I just add that your credibility as an armed macho who isn't afraid of women and liberals would be enhanced if you didn't whine about being bullied by women and liberals every time somebody pours cold water on your fantastical posturings
Best post on this thread!
65. Out of curiosity... Why??Jan 21st, 2015 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Not sure why you can't make fun of faith. After all, the Catholic Church used to kill people for lack of faith or just a divergence in opinion so they can probably handle a bit of lampooning.Jan 21st, 2015 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0