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By David Cameron and Barack Obama - Two hundred years ago this month, Britain and the United States fought each other at the Battle of New Orleans. It was the last major battle where our nations met as enemies. In modern times, our special relationship as allies and partners has been the firm foundation of our shared security and prosperity. Read full article


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  • CabezaDura2

    There are more than 1 billion Muslims in the world, the vast majority of whom are sickened by the evil these terrorists claim to perpetrate in the name of Islam.

    So then go home, there is no problem if the vast majority of them a peace loving and sickened with these terrorist acts. Surely from the Maghreb to Pakistan they will fail as the vast amount of people dont support them

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Thickheaded, you understand nothing. British Muslims all want to stay in Britain because Britain is rich, tolerant and safe, they love our way of life. More than half were born here and wholly Muslim countries are foreign and intolerant places to them. So, asking them to 'go home' is nonsense, its the language of racism, if not Naziism. Can't understand why you continue to comment on things and places you understand nothing about? The only conclusion is that you must be a rather thick paid troll.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Take it easy on the Kool aid... You are going to drown. Stupid lefty

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    When will David ever learn
    appeasement does not work.
    neither does sitting on the fence,

    promising 2% for Nato, but will fall below this,
    trading cyber secrets to those who will / may give to the Russians

    two men walking / they do little, but they

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pytangua

    ... except in Saudi Arabia, in which case we will keep our mouths shut.”

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Toe-curling diplomacy: US woos France with hugs, kisses and a VERY awkward rendition of 'You've Got a Friend' by James Taylor to make up for snubbing terror march
    scroll down to it,
    The US Secretary of State made sure the world was in no doubt of how close the bond between the French and the Americans was with this awkward hug outside the Elysee Palace with President Francois Hollande this morning.
    Ah FRANCE= Who loves ya baby-
    Sadley not this lot.
    Photographer is shot in chest as hundreds of Charlie Hebdo protesters clash with police in Pakistan outside French embassy
    as above just scroll down.
    Meanwhile, ,
    ISIS behead and shoot dead 17 people in desperate bid to maintain control of Syrian 'caliphate'

    Read more:
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    For those who think you can talk to these terrorist from hell….

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    It’s amazing and pathetic how the politicians in the west keep on lying in their own faces that Islam is a peaceful religion and compatible with Western values

    And yet today all over the Muslim world, people are protesting against the French trying to burn the embassies and celebrating the terrorist attacks. France, after giving refugee status to millions of Algerians, Syrians, Tunisians and Moroccans to borderline the extinction of French cultural and national identity… bending over backwards, all what for ?? It just is never enough for the Muslims until the west and non believers are exterminated. We can set the time line 10 years ago when they attacked the Scandinavian embassies. They have not changed one bit.

    It’s astonishing !!
    It’s unbelievable for me to understand the western politicians and “leaders”. It’s like a cheated wife in denial not even being lied to by her husband. The husband says to her face “I’m being unfaithfully to you” and she still denies it.

    Jan 16th, 2015 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    Blah blah blah.

    Isis is YOUR fault. Al Qaeda is Your fault. Yes, Britain's, the US's, the French's, the Italians', the Spanish's, the Germans'. You went into their lands and FUCKED with them. You created Libya, you created Syria, you created Iraq, you subjugated Egypt, you subjugated Lebanon, you subjugated Spanish Morocco, Algeria, Libya.... you CRANIMAL EUians.

    You supported ruthless dictators, you staged coups, you killed thousands from the skies, you NorthAmoans.

    Now they are coming for you. You fix the mess.

    You won't. And you will all die. You are doomed.

    They will destroy you from within and from out.

    Your fault. No one else will care when your nations are smoldering radioactive rubble. You created the mess, cranimals.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    It’s ISLAMS FAULT; it has nothing to do with foreign policy. These countries would be immune to retaliation if they had not a Muslim community in them.
    And yes, if they don’t face reality and act quickly upon they will be destroyed.
    Islam has assets in today’s world OIL, BIRTH RATES, and more importantly it has FAITH

    People blame the old colonial powers for the current situation in the Middle East… Funny how nobody in the 1990s blamed the Ottoman Empire for the massacres in the Balkans.
    Just more white bashing lefty hypocrisy.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    People blame the EUians because the have YET to apologize or show any remorse for their past.

    It's hard to sympathize with a person when they refuse to admit wrongdoing. That's why I hate them, they refuse to even say “we f--- up back then”.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    They have apologized many times in fact the problem is that contrary they apologize too much! That is precisely they are in this mess.

    Toby, the Muslim world suffered comparably far more from the Mongols than from the Crusades and Western colonialism in the Middle East. In fact French, Italian conquests of Algeria and Lydia were comparably very recent, the British even less. Only Spain has a long term colonial, interventionist policy in North Africa.

    Why are countries like Belgium, Norway, Sweden and others being threatened by Islam in their own streets countries that never had colonies at least not in the Middle East ??

    Italy with much less tolerance for Muslims, intervened in Iraq 2003, always had presence in Afghanistan but had no Islamic terrorist attack ever on home soil.
    They don’t have as numerous Muslims in Italy that’s why.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “ In modern times, our special relationship as allies and partners has been the firm foundation of our shared security and prosperity.”

    this is the relation u.s. / britain:

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    “People blame the EUians because the have YET to apologize or show any remorse for their past”.
    Ok, here's goes. Dear South American indigent people. We sincerely apologise for sending you all those EUian migrants over the last 500 years. North America and the Antipodes worked out much better, not sure why South America went so badly wrong, with a small maritime exception of course!

    @11 CD
    I do agree with one aspect of your analysis which is that the actions of the West have not explained the actions of the Islamists for quite some time. The two conflicts that the US and UK were involved in immediately prior to 9/11 were Kosovo and Bosnia. In both cases the West attacked Christians in defence of Muslims. And while Iraq was a terrible mistake, France weren't involved in Iraq but have been attacked this month and have sent more citizens to Syria than anyone else. So I agree that the West should stop listening to Islamist apologists, including the Pope. However, I still don't believe we should consider this situation a “Muslim problem” - it is not, it is specifically an Islamist problem. Our Christian ancestors brutally repressed heretics and destroyed artisitc representations of Jesus, the only difference between them and today's Islamists is time and technology.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    You need to get real and look at the statistics and the evidence
    There is approximately 700 million to 200 Million Muslims that hold extremist views. That is a continuous pool and source for Islamic terrorists.
    When yesterday the Muslims filled the streets from Nuackchot in Mauritania to Lahore and Karachi to attack Charlie Hebdo and attempt to burn French embassies what they are saying in the end is that Islam is not compatible with western values. They are saying it in your own face. As simple as that.

    The Christians didn’t burn heretics in the stakes because of depictions of Jesus. Catholics did as a way to ensure the monopoly of the Vatican and Church over the religion of the people. And religion in the old days was lucrative. It had nothing to do with being an apostate like in Islam random followers are commanded to carry out Allah’s work.

    You are very disingenuous

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    And most of the people scrabbling to get to away from these countries to the West are not doing so to spread Islamism, they are trying to escape it.

    I didn't say people were burnt for depicting Jesus - i said the depictions were destroyed. You can see it to this day in Westminster Abbey. There are medieval wall paintings in which the faces were scratched out a few hundred years ago. My point is that exposed to the enlightenment, Christianity moderated, as have most religions. Education does that to people, it just takes time.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    They are in the West because they can get improve their life standards there, not because they are escaping Islam per sé. Immigration main driver is economic, not cultural nor religious nor anything else.

    If the assumptions you make were true then you would have far more atheists or Christian converts or converts to other religions once they have settled in Europe, yet we see moderate grandfathers and extremist and terrorists grandchilds within the Muslim communities. Even kids of wealthy families whom were students of Ivy League institutions in Europe being radicalized and committed to terrorism.

    Islam had an attempt to reform in the first 100 years of its existence. And the reformers lost their heads. A moderate Muslim is practically by general standards a non Muslim or an apostate.

    You seem to also forget Islam has being at war with itself for 1200 years between Shia and Sunni. Why do you assume their violent nature of this ideology will just vanish out of good will from one day to the other??

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll


    Where did Argentina go wrong? It went right, we were rich and wealthy for 100 years. All good things come to an end.

    Of course, your knowledge of history is atrocious so no point in educating you.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    Well it hasn't ended in North America, Northern Europe or Australia/NZ. I'm surprised to have to educate you about your own country but the answer to your question is Peron and Peronism. It's the idea that you can take without ever having to give - that someone else will work and pay while you sit around receiving, or worse still stealing. Your country is an international joke, and until you elect someone with a good grasp of economics who can sell graft, humility and cooperation as the only way back from the mess you are in then that is exactly where you will stay.

    @16 CD
    Again, I said Islamism not Islam.
    It sounds like you think we are all out-of-touch intellectuals twiddling our hipster moustaches and having no clue about Muslims. In fact I know and work with a great many Muslims every day of my life, some born here and some who have come here as adults. And i can honestly say that very few of them have ever given me cause for concern. I don't know what your experience of Islam has been outside of what you read but I was in Syria the year before the war started and the people i met worked extremely hard, were fiercely loyal to and proud of their Christian minority neighbours and were desperately keen to open Syria up to the outside world. That it all fell apart so quickly and so disastrously at the hands of the extremists does not change the fact that you simply cannot lump all muslims together if you are serious about understanding and neutralising the threat from the Islamists.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2


    The fact is the Christians of Syria were actually displaced and massacred, and they didn't prevent it.
    I hear all sorts of claims “the Muslim guy next door is perfectly reasonable” arguments by you guys. I don’t know that guy, I don’t know your judgment. I know the facts.

    There was Germans that helped escape and saved thousands of Jews... Does that dispel what the Germans did ?? It doesn't. Its not good enough as an argument.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    The Germans, the Muslims, the British, the Argentinians. You simply can't meaningfully ascribe the same characteristic to every single member of a group. Every population trait exists as a distribution - most often a normal distribution. Most people reside around the mean, but there there are high outliers and low outliers. Defining a population by its outliers is unscientific, or as the lefty PC-brigade would call it, racist. The ordinary people of Aleppo for example had no problem with the Christians, indeed the Christians were well in with Assad. But once society had broken down then the Islamists with guns overruled the people without guns and turned on the minorities. The average Syrian has suffered terribly, which is why so many are risking drowning in the Meditteranean rather than stay there any longer. If they loved Islamism so much they would stay and fight for it but they fear and hate it and so try to escape. In dealing with the extremists we need to isolate them from the rest of the population - not drive them into each others arms.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll


    But it will end, and it IS ending. You just can't see it or admit it yet. You are on your way out, and its in front of your face.

    And not of moment too soon.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    What is unscientific is what you are doing, because you assume the outliers are not mainstream.

    If Syria is a Sunni majority and Assad’s base of support establishment was an alliance of minorities Allawites, Christians, Shias then you can’t speak of a mean of a population by any standards.

    The fact is the Christians were butchered and displaced, Aleppo was bombed and reduced to rubble, ISIL commands and hold territory in Sunni bastions in Raqqa, which you can’t do without support of the local tribes. Aleppo just two days ago amongst the rubble there was protests against the French cartoons!!!! One would think they have dysfunctional priorities… But there you go the average Aleppo folk you claim to have understand.

    I don’t know where you have being or who you have talked to. It’s just random talk. Those are the facts. You are old enough to understand that in life you have to judge people by action not by what they say

    Some guy here always says until Argentina doesn’t get rid of 15 million peronists the country is doomed. And he is right, a substantial part of the population drives the will of the country and parasites its resources by an alliance with the State class. Does that mean all Argentines are parasites? No it doesn't, but the behaviour of the country overall is obvious and we all know it.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext


    You say: “I hear all sorts of claims ”the Muslim guy is perfectly reasonable“ arguments by you guys. I don't know that guy, I don't know your your judgement. I know the facts.”

    That's a perfectly good argument, but there's a greater context that you're missing IMO. When very different people from different countries ( albeit Anglo-Saxon dominated ) with different life experiences all say roughly the same thing - that is relevant information...

    ...and all your arguments are undermined by never having met - to the best of my knowledge - a Muslim. Compare the experience of only seeing negative representations of Muslims with the experience of working daily with committed Muslims or being neighbours with less committed, or even indifferent Muslims. Having years to consider what kind of character this person is and only then...casting judgement.

    Even allowing for the possibility that some of 'us' are exaggerating our positive experiences of Muslim's in the West, do you really believe we're all lying? You are asking people to place their faith in your statistics rather than what their instincts tells them about their own experiences - sometimes over years. Who, or what, do you think they're going to respond to?

    And btw one of the benefits of working with Muslims you might not have considered: they never turn up for work on a Saturday morning with a hangover.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2


    I have met many Indonesians and Malayans In my travels and frankly I have no negative comment about them. I buy my clothes from a Lebanese owner. But it is fair to say I havent met with enough Arab Muslims. But do I need to?? Will my opinion change ? I assure you it will not. Because they are based on fact and numbers as well as common sense.

    What I have met in life is very stupid Anglo Saxon “Do gooders” in Argentina who were terrible judges of character and got screwed arse out.

    Do gooders and altruists are the problem of this world.

    And a lot of MercoPress’s posters seem to be government agents, diplomats or aid workers. I don’t think they are representative of common European native folk. I met a young British lawyer who said the entire opposite years ago.
    I think his opinions are far more reliable than the people here, he was commenting as a statement of reality, in here its different because from on the start this board is on the defensive, and another aspect is that many of them posters are fairly oldish, hence they are responsible for this mess and the younger generations are very bitter and angry .

    So of course there attitudes will be of denial as they are mostly responsible for fucking it all up and selling their countries away.

    Look the facts are their countries are increasingly polarized. There is no integration from either side. Look at the numbers. Look how more than half a million Londoners just disappeared when London became to multicultural. Look at all the no go zones in France alongside the cities. People want to live in their own neighborhoods cities and towns with people like themselves who share the same values behavior, customs and so on. There is nothing neither wrong nor racist with that.

    You , they can say anything, overwhelming facts, numbers and evidence shows they are wrong.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    Our economy is growing, our bond rates are low, our unemployment is falling, our deficit is falling and our banks are better capitalised and prepared for a crash than last time. We have more young people going to University than ever before and these Universities are amongst the best in the world. So what is your evidence of our impending doom, other than wishful thinking and ignorance?

    That you have a better understanding of international affairs than most of the other Argentine contributors on here is not in doubt. However your opinion of Muslims appears based exclusively on narrow reading. But when you look people in the eye on a daily basis you can get a better read off them than simply depending on gross stereotypes. Oh, and of course I don't assume the outliers are mainstream, because they are outliers - that's what the term means!

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    “However your opinion of Muslims appears based exclusively on narrow reading”

    No, they are based on historical facts, numbers, statistics, logic and common sense.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    “And a lot of MercoPress’s posters seem to be government agents, diplomats or aid workers.”
    Which of those is Conqueror? Please tell me not Diplomat!!

    Your suggestion that young people in the UK are “bitter and angry” while the older generation would be more welcoming to Muslims would be genuinely funny if only you had meant it ironically. I assure you that it is the older generation who fear Muslims more than the younger generation who are more likely to know some. UKIP does better where immigration is lower and worse where it is higher. What this indicates is that dislike of immigrants is based less on experience and more on emotion, personal prejudice and a narrow reading list. I am always interested to hear your views on Argentina, it is just a shame that you won't open your mind more to British poster's views of Britain.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    We all know who the diplomat is. Conqueror was a policemen jail man or some sort in his own words... May I ask you were you yourself doing charity in Syria in 2010 before the revolution? Clyde, the old Scotsman did charity in India in his own words. And there are many more I suspect as old being government officials.

    “UKIP does better where immigration is lower and worse where it is higher”

    What you are actually saying is UKIP just as the National Front does better in “whiter” districts. In other words electoral behaviour of European natives confirms what Im saying and that you MercoPress are biased and out of touch whether be old government or just guilty of what you have done in life so you go into denial.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Today the British and American governments are training their soldiers for Syria,

    they are also training local groups in Syria,

    they call it helping,

    I call it, mission creep.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @24 CD

    And yet none of your statistics and analysis can explain the actions of Lassana Bathily.

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Ohhh you are right !!! Thank you Lassana Bathily for NOT turning over the Jews (the people who gave you a job and where your customers) to the terrorists. I guess his actions makes the 2000 plus applications of French Jews to immigrate to Israel seem overreacted a week after the kosher supermarket attack...

    Now with much fanfare let’s make him a French citizen just as the fallen Muslim cop, just to remind us all that there is no problem whatsoever with Islam. It’s the evil terrorist that have hijacked it and have nothing to do with the religion of peace.

    You have convinced me HC, I accept I was wrong all along. Islam is a religion of peace. Now I think I see the light its appeared in my office, I think it’s the prophet Mohammed,– blessed be his name- Please lord Mohammed forgive me for being an apostate

    In the name of ALLAH, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful.
    I accept him as my Lord and creator and Mohammed his prophet on this world…

    Goody, where are my 72 Virgins for eternity now??? Oooops I forgot, I have to blow myself up for that and become a martir…

    OK I cant wait that long. I quit Islam. Now Im an apostate again. I guess that I need to lose my head now???

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext


    Lol, even Natanyahu has publicly thanked Bathily for his courage. The Jerusalem Post is calling for him to recognise Bathily as a 'Righteous Gentile'.

    Even Anjem Choudary doesn't make claims that Islam is a religion of peace - I certainly haven't.

    I've demonstrated that there are distinct differences between radical and non-radical Muslim's and your response is six paragraphs of sarcasm.

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    So what ??

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    Was I too subtle?

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    What the media and the politicians are saying by overfussing this is
    “Thank you Lassana Bathily for not turning over the Jews”.

    Thats all there is too it. Of course I am going to LMAO and revert to sarcasm.

    Do you believe all what the politicians say??

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    They're rightly lauding him as a hero. “That's all there is to it.” Really? He saved seven of his fellow human beings and demonstrated considerable grace under pressure in the process.

    No I don't believe “...all what the politicians say”. That doesn't mean that when Bibi feels compelled to honour a Malian muslim it isn't significant.

    In any case his words carry more meaning: “We're brothers. It's not a question of Jews Christians or Muslims. We're all in the same boat, and we all have to help one another to get out of this crisis”. Words that would inspire cynicism if he hadn't, emphatically, demonstrated that he actually was a man of his word.

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Yes Im sure he had being a Christian or an atheist or anything else for hiding his customers in a freezer they would have being a “heroe”

    FFS man get real

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    Maybe it's different in France, but one of the victims of the recent Sydney siege ( she was actually killed by a ricochet from a cops bullet ) was also lauded by both officials and the public for her courage in trying to help others survive. And her name was about as WASPy as you can get.

    And you don't think he his the only Malian muslim who knows when he sees a an Algerian terrorist he is looking at the enemy of his people? Whom France recently saved?

    I tell you what, if you save seven Argentine Jews ( do they call themselves anything specific? ) from a similar ordeal I will personally lobby your govt and the Israeli govt for you to be similarly honoured. Deal?

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    She was a middle age lawyer with kids and she sacrificed herself trying to stop the what was it you and Elaine called him ?? Ohh a misfit loser, nothing to do with Islam !!! The only thing the other guy in France did was simply hide up some Jews in the freezer. As if he had another choice other than just give them away to the terrorists.

    Are people in the entire world gone completely ilogical?

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    Look, if you're going to quote me, or even paraphrase me, at least get it right. I said he was a sex-offender, and an attention seeker. And yes - nuts as well.

    Bathily... also risked his life escaping and gave detailed information to the police which aided them in their raid. But I agree, in the context you've used. you have a point.

    ”Are people in the entire world gone completely ilogical (sic)”. Lol, you mean you've just noticed?

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    He was an Islamist! There is many “sex-offender, and an attention seeker” in the world and Im sure there to be in Australia. Yet not every one goes and takes hostages in a Sydney bar and ends up in a shootut with the cops.

    Bathily did fuck all in the larger picture of things... Why are the counter terror agents not being declared heroes when they went in and shot the terrorist??? Why???

    They are just fabricating Muslim “heroes” out of fuck all. Get real man FFS!!!

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    “Islamist”. Really? Nine months before he conducted his siege and declared allegiance to ISIS, he advertised his services in a newspaper as an expert in “...astrology, numerology, meditation and black magic”. He used this cover to sexually assault many women and was facing more than 40 charges for just that -crime alone. And then there are the charges relating to the murder of his ex-wife.

    He changed from being a shia to a sunni because it was convenient - not because he was actually committed to it. He left a trail of fraud and violence in Iran, he was never able to gather a flock in Australia, which would only have served to facilitate his lust and his ego - not the greater glory of Allah, and he was looking at multiple long prison terms.

    He was desperate and in his demented imagination probably convinced himself that the Muslim's in Lakemba would rise to his cause and spmehow keep him out of jail. He was a criminal and eventually just another dead loser. His use of radical ideology was opportunism. Nothing more.

    Jan 20th, 2015 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    A man that had spent his live devaluated to the study of the Qur’an makes him an Islamist. If he was also a fraudster and a smoke salesman it's of no significance to the matter at hand

    Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    ”A man that had spent his live (sic) devaluated (sic) to the study of the Qur'an makes him an Islamist”.

    Not when the motivation to do so is to use it exploit other Muslim's for fun and profit. He was an opportunist. That is a fact.

    Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    A fact is that he was a devaulted Muslim that invested much time in the study of the Qur'an.

    Now that is the FACT, if people choose to buy his rubbish that is another matter.
    As I said there are many perverts, misfits, attention seekers in life, but none of them are hostage takers.

    Jan 20th, 2015 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    People engage in siege's and take hostages for all kinds of reasons. Just watch Dog Day Afternoon if you don't believe me, and people, even Persians, are just as capable of studying a religious text for reasons that have nothing to do becoming a violent jihadi.

    If he wanted to go around beheading people or die a glorious martyr's death he could of buggered off to Syria any old time, instead he was setting himself up as a fake spiritual guru - using terms that would've gotten HIM beheaded by the ISIS chopping squad - for the exclusive purpose of violating naive women and making some cash in the process.

    And there you have it - his priorities in life: lust, money and the control of others. The siege was his last shot in life. He had nothing left to lose.

    Jan 20th, 2015 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Ohh suppositions assumptions… and a 1970s films. The fact is he had spent substantial amount of his life studying the Qur’an…

    Not only that he turned out to be just another in the context of lone wolf attacks coming about in New York, Ottawa, Sydney and now Paris and Antwerp. And I said to you at the time and provided the links, ISIL called for random lone wolf attacks back in September, especially in France and Australia even.
    But I guess you will just rather continue to lie to yourself even as time continues to prove me (unfortunately) right.

    Nisman was a heroe that choose to act according to principles of integrity and honor. So was the lawyer mother of 2 in the Sydney bar. Bathily just happened to be there and everyone is thanking him for not turning over the Jews.
    In the context of increasing and record exile of French Jews to Israel it’s meaningless. FACT.

    Jan 20th, 2015 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    The film I mentioned is based on an actual incident. The basic plot is identical in both incidents.

    Man Haron Monis was a fake 'Islamist'. All you have to do is look at the timeline of his behaviour to see that he was motivated purely by self-interest. Survival and self-gratification. My first para @42 is all you need to know about both his commitment to his religion and his true motivation in life.

    “In the context of increasing and record exile of French Jews to Israel it's meaningless. FACT.”

    Speculation, not a fact. But probably correct nonetheless. And it matters much more to you than it does to me.

    I have nothing more to add on this subject at this time.

    Jan 21st, 2015 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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