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Cristina Fernandez adds yet another conspiracy chapter to Nisman's death
The usually verbose Argentine president Cristina Fernandez preferred a lengthy letter in Facebook to comment on special prosecutor Alberto Nisman’s death (suicide), arguing it was yet another tragic chapter of the ongoing confusion, question and lies that have surrounded for 21 years the AMIA case. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhether she killed him or not, she's going to face the wrath of public opinion.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the Facebook statement , she alleges the Air Force tried to kill her in 1980 , and that the bloke she accuses of the attempt ( Antonietti) was then placed in charge of the original 1994 AMIA investigation ,“ making her blood run cold” .
Jan 20th, 2015 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0She then tries to create some sort of conspiracy around whether she prevented Timmerman from attending the Paris march and that this is somehow tied in with Nisman coming back from Europe unexpectedly .
Darling , if the Air Force had tried to kill you in 1980 , they would have done so .
Nisman may have died by his own hand , but he probably killed himself because of threats being made to his family by people close to this dreadful witch
#1 the only thing with that Chicureo, public opinion matters little in Argentina, to politicians that is. It's like forest fires........sometimes it really does take fire to put out a blazing forest fires.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0TMBOA is indirectly responsible for Nismans death: which of her many, many murderous supporters did it is irrelevant, they did it to protect the truth from coming out which it will, eventually.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do the people of Argentina (not the vermin that is peronism) need everybody to die in suspicious circumstances before they wake up to what is going on?
An arseholean regime ... nada mas.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets hope this lights the wick....
Only days before this assassination, CFK instituted a massive shake up of SIDE, the Arg version of a combination of the CIA/FBI. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretar%C3%ADa_de_Inteligencia
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is widely believed SIDE operatives were instrumental in Nisman's death. I attended the rally in Plaza de Mayo last night. Cries of “Assassin” referring to CFK were chanted by many thousands of protestors.
A simple statement expressing her regret would have sufficed.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder who will be next to “commit suicide”.
Nisman (Z”L) new what's coming.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whether killed or suicide to protect his fmily as one poster suggests (I highly doubt that) , he sure has left copies of all the incriminating documens. It will surface. If not legaly in Argentina, very probable, than I believe Nisman thought of a way to make sure it will. How about Wikileaks?
it is easy.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ALL the involved in nisman´s investigation belong to the government.
now, who is the responsible of his death, according to the govt?
...clarín.
my theory is that many of you isleters are also involved.
so be prepared to feel the la rigueur de la loi.
How it was reported by the BBC. Argentine death sparks protests http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-30895518
Jan 20th, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2, 7. A 'state' murderer can rarely resist the opportunity to exculpate themselves and cast aspersions on others. Adolf Hitler went to the extent of writing 'Mein Kampf'. Blaming everything on the Jewish people. Here in the 21st century, we can see that Israel responds vigorously to being attacked. It has even been know to engage in pre-emptive attacks. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be any sign of a desire for world domination (a la Islam) or starting a world war.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought it was amusing that she was referred to as 'usually verbose'. And this wasn't verbose? How do you wish to plead, madam? Guilty? Quite right. No sense wasting money argieland doesn't have.
Not one of his 10 assigned bodyguards was on duty immediately prior to his giving evidence incriminating CFK and key members of her government. Why?
Jan 20th, 2015 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is also suggestion that he didn't own the gun. Was this gun registered to him?
Elaine, The media reports the gun was loaned by a friend.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The family and close friends are not accepting that it was suicide.
I'm currently watching Canal 26 Noticias and the government is desperately defending CFK's position.
World news outlets are accustomed to seeing terrible and even bizarre headlines about Argentina. Crisis, default, comparisons with Venezuela, and even accusations of adopting werewolves – let’s face it , these headlines are attention grabbers. They paint Argentina as a backwards and downward-sliding quagmire where the mysterious death of a judge about to testify against the president isn’t out of place.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://bubblear.com/nisman-death-exacerbates-argentinas-political-divide/
I think I said something like that last week.
Only ever bad news out of that sh*thole.
I hope the protests continue tonight
It seems the perception now is that she assassinated Nisman to eliminate evidence linking the Argentine government to terrorists. She looks more of a terrorists now than ever before.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will no one rid me of this turbulent prosecutor?
Jan 20th, 2015 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Thanks.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any mention of the previous 12 judges investigating the case and scared off?
As horrible as this death is, whatever the truth of it is, it's a good sign that many Argentines are angry about it. It means that the country hasn't completely succumbed to cynicism or fatalism.Lord of the Flies is still at arms length. And CFK definitely sounds scared. Maybe Nisman accomplished something after all?
Jan 20th, 2015 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very interesting to see the trolls who are and are not posting and who is in the dark country and who is not. People are scared and they should be..., the cameras are whirring and targets being identified. Nothing really changes does it?
Jan 20th, 2015 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0very interesting to read all the comments from people who don't even have the slightest clue about the matter.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0surely, they have never heard of stiuso, milani, nisman, kirchner, etc. but they insist in commenting on the subject.
the only exception would be the post of heisenberg.
as for the rest, even when i agree with some comments, the fact is they cannot substantiate them because of their huge, huge ignorance.
and yankeeboy, nisman was not a judge but a prosecutor.
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Jan 20th, 2015 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be happy. One less “stinky yiddo”
20. That quote was from a blogger you might want to contact her directly. I just cut and paste it since I thought it was funny.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never any good news out of that place. Its really starting to feel like the news that comes out of Venezuela.
A bit off topic, but it gladdens my heart to know that people like her will never get their odious hands on the Falkland Islands.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the scheme of things, we do not matter, therefore we do not have to substantiate anything. This is for the people in Argentina to decide if their president murders it's opposition. That said, there rest of u s can comment all we want and how we want to. If you do not like what is written, do not read it. Walk the streets with a tin cup.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it true that no gun powder traces were found on Nisman's hands? Is that usual?
Jan 20th, 2015 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0elaina
Jan 20th, 2015 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the ballistic experts say that a 22 caliber gun not always leaves traces of gun powder.
@9, 20. You're so right, slobbo.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Drag every member of the so-called 'government' out and shoot them through the head. Then start working through the 'government' services. Most of the 'police' can probably be hanged. 'Intelligence' services? What an oxymoron! Intelligence and argieland. Ordinary members of 'ministries'? Garrote 1 in 5. Indec? Lock the doors from the outside and blow it apart.
And I wouldn't want to forget 'el cedron'. Never mind an apple. Crossbow bolt strsight through. What would you like, slobbo? Forehead? Throat? Guts? Pelvis? I was going to mention genitals, but then I remembered you don't have any. But I've just thought of one you'll love. We can face you away from the firing squad. Bend you over and tie your wrists to your ankles. And the target will be your hole. Minutes of pleasure before you bleed to death. I reckon the squad you should be 5 foot away. Wouldn't want anyone to miss, would you?
20 paulcedron
Jan 20th, 2015 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can all read what is being written in the Argentinian press and form an opinion.
You always try to convince us of your superior knowledge of what is happening in the rest of the world.
@26 Which ballistics experts would they be?
Jan 20th, 2015 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I ask because a quick google throws up many examples of ballistics experts saying a 22 calibre does leave traces. I asked here because I know there are quite a few gun enthusiasts that post here and wanted their opinion to add.
I am curious about your opinion though. Do you honestly believe beyond doubt that this was a suicide?
#26 that is plain straight out lying bullshit. But, believe what those idiots will tell other idiots.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 ElaineB
Jan 20th, 2015 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/179980/no-gunpowder-traces-found-on-nisman’s-hands
It seems Argentine experts are saying that.
According to “Prosecutor Viviana Fein, who leads the investigation of Nisman’s death”.
@31 Yes, thanks, I read that. Argentine experts seem to be at odds with experts outside of Argentina.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a shock that is.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0captain poop
Jan 20th, 2015 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0read and learn, you ignorant isleter
https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=TTHjgl0LLx8C&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=caliber+22+not+always+leaves+gunpowder+trace&source=bl&ots=8uRACZMSOM&sig=0iyFHFdOA7auAMqI4z6jx36dA5k&hl=es-419&sa=X&ei=y5u-VO6IKoG1ggSzkIOgDQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=caliber%2022%20not%20always%20leaves%20gunpowder%20trace&f=false
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the peritos say it was a suicide.
now the thing is if it was inducted or not.
i think the servicios have a lot to do, along with the government.
28 lardass
“We can all read what is being written in the Argentinian press and form an opinion.”
no, you cant. you are another monoglot and counting.
27 genetic aberration
how it feels to play the brave guy behind a keyboard, you pathetic keyboard warrior?
maybe you think you are really courageous after posting all that shite...lol.
what amazes me is that you can type with those paws you have instead of hands.
must be pretty difficult, no?
I love it when you use such grown up terms like Capt Poop. Read whatever you want. But the internet is not the end all be all. But I realize for your type with limited world exposure it is. I've been around enough weapons and explosives and a dead person or two in my career to know what I am standing by. A forensics collector who cannot get the smallest trace elements of GSR would not be in his/her job for that long.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW........shot residue will exit the muzzle and when that is pressed on the skull with the hand 3 inches away.....the hand cannot escape the backblast of powder. I would be thrilled to demonstrate on your head......but I seriously doubt a .22 will penetrate. a 22/250 would be much better.
34 BottyBoyPaulie
Jan 20th, 2015 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice to see that you are continuing your tradition of having stupidity so immense, you can't shift it with dynamite.
keep up the good work................ clown.
@34 You will never be able to enforce censorship of posters here. They can and will say what they want, right or wrong. People are allowed opinions and to express them. That is what this message board is for. You can, of course, dispute their comments but not shut them up.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 It is still early days in the investigation but to rule out murder at this stage would be foolish. No suicide note, no evidence the gun was in Nisman's hand, no reason for him to commit suicide.
I am sure CFK didn't pull the trigger. She has a lot of uncontrollable devotees that may have taken the matter into their own hands. An attempt to implicate the CFK government and therefore discredit her chosen successor could be possible. Internal struggles with the intelligence agencies seems a pretty strong option - they could pull it off. Any outside intelligence agencies are highly unlikely.
It doesn't appear to be suicide. It does appear to be murder most horrid. Whodunnit is the question. JMO
More importantly, the majority of Argentine people do not believe it is a case of suicide and they are pretty pissed off.
@ 29 ElaineB
Jan 20th, 2015 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2015/01/20/nisman-s-death-no-sign-of-third-party-involved-but-it-was-classified-as-suspicious?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=aviso_comentarios#comments
@ 14 ChrisR
@ 15 Captain Poppy
Paul also I would like to point out that book was published in 1997. Now, we all know that time stands still in Argentina for technological advances. But in the developed world......18 years might as well be a lifetime.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not just quote some medical practices of the pre-renaissance.
signed,
Capt Poop
@38 Thanks. Very interesting.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe it's entirely possible that the Iranians carried out this “suicide”. This would give CKF plausible deniability.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interestingly, while most of us are outside of Argentina we are quick to cast stones at their government while our own run reckless about the world killing millions. The CIA is responsible for murdering Marin Luther King, yet you here no one complaining or even confronting the U.S. government about it.
Governments are evil. All governments.
knuckleheads
Jan 20th, 2015 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i do not want to censor anybody, how could i do that anyway, you geniuses?
but you have to admit that your posts are an offence to bon goût, common sense and intelligence.
ever heard of self-censorship?
well, you should try it, bunch of ignoramuses.
Rooster is that not a fox chasing your feathery ass?
Jan 20th, 2015 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kennedy lived
Man never landed on the moon
A UFO crashed as Rosewell
The Royals murdered Princess Di
Jews rule the world
and now........Kirchner was framed
Paul practice what you preach.
@41 By far the most criticism of CFK and her government is coming from Argentines. They are the ones protesting loudly. You should open your eyes.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would anyone be randomly complaining about the death of MLK on this thread? The topic is the untimely death of Nisman. It is current news. It deserves to be discussed in detail not swept away by whataboutery.
Capt... Ah yes. My feathery ass is AWAKE. Continue as you wish to believe that which your government and their prestitute journalists have designed for you to hear. Lay your head back down and sleep.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Believe what you may.....who care's....I certainly don't. The matter remains your government has on it's hands blood of a man who was about to expose your president and others as being complicit of denying justice to victims of a terrorist act with a terrorist nation.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is sadder what your RG's think is a standard for governments that you believe they all act this way. GET OUT now and again.
The British press seems to be of the opinion that there is nothing suspicious abt this man,
Jan 20th, 2015 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Government seems even less interested,
yet CFK seems to wriggle around dropping hints all over the place,
a cover up perhaps,
or just trying to put the cat amongst the pigeons and see what re-action comes back..
Is this how the MercoPress comments operate continuously? One makes a comment and everyone pounces upon him/her like ravenous dogs? I find it terribly amusing the level of intellectual masturbation on this site. Apparently, an opinion is not valued much here.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Elaine
I am a permanent resident of Argentina and need not be educated by those who may or may not reside here. Clearly, the Argentines are screaming loudest about this murder as they should! I was merely pointing out the fact that while Argentina has more than its fair share of problems (including murderers), what government does not. I may be mistaken but it seems that many, if not most, of the posters on this site are largely ignorant of life in Argentina.
And, go......
TRAGEDY AND CIRCUS.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although it's pretty obvious that nisman's death was something that nobody expected, in fact, i had been very anxious the whole weekend waiting for the audience that he was going to give at the congress, however, i am not sorprised for the pathetic opportunism of many cretins, who started blaming the government for nisman's end.
I can understand that for many people who despise kirchnerism, it will always be more convenient to believe the forced view of hegemonical press, which is based on distorted facts and omissions, instead of listening to prosecutor viviana fein, who said that ´´there are no signs of a third party involved´´. If they are happy believing the missinformation of corporate press, i accept it, but all those people who were protesting in some cities from the country, blaming the government for nisman's death, will have to understand someday that tv programs aren't part of justice, if the government is guilty or not, it must be determined by justice, not by rented cretins from corporate press. As long as they don't understand that, they will keep on making a circus of nisman's death.
On the other hand, one of the most important arguments of nisman's denounce was rejected even by interpol, beside, he made so little to find the truth, he was a disaster as a prosecutor in this case, anyway, all the others who were before him, were even worst than nisman.
It's necesary to remind that general prosecutor, gils carbo, offered him more security, and he rejected it, beside, he lived in the safest building from buenos aires city, where people must have a code to get into the tower, and he had ten bodyguards from federal police. Anyway, we must still wait for the final results of skills, because perhaps he was instigated to kill him self, ONLY JUSTICE must determine what happened with him finally, not the hypocrites from corporate press.
I guess the most pertinent question is, why do the majority of Argentines think the worst of CFK and her government. She may not have pulled the trigger or ordered the murder but, as was said yesterday by Chicureo, she is certainly being blamed by her own countrymen. Maybe that was the intention.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48 Whether or not people reside in Argentina they have every right to express their opinion on this story. I lived there for long periods over several years, still have a great many friends there and have a professional interest in the country. That doesn't make me any more or less entitled to comment but I don't believe there is a qualifying criteria for posting here other than a wish to express an opinion. Of course, you could take it up with Mercopress.
Point anywhere you want but the spotlight is on Argentina over the tragic death of Nisman.
If it is raining, do not say the sun is shining. Nisman was murdered.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 Why were you so nervous all weekend?
Jan 20th, 2015 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ if the government is guilty or not, it must be determined by justice”
Not really possible if the prosecutors are murdered. That is why there is such a reaction from the majority of Argentines.
“ he lived in the safest building from buenos aires city, where people must have a code to get into the tower, and he had ten bodyguards from federal police. ”
Having a code to get into an apartment building is pretty low-grade security. When I lived in Bs As I had that and security staff on the door - it was standard. And all of his ten bodyguards were nowhere to be seen. Odd that.
@49
Jan 20th, 2015 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was wondering in the other thread when you would show up blaiming the hegemonic media... which seems to share the view of...... pretty much every major news agency in the world. Of course you would masturbate to the government spoksmen and officials because they are far more reliable and credible than..,...well everybody else who is oblidged to simply title “Prosecuter that was about to testify on Monday against the president of Argentina was found dead in his flat”
“On the other hand, one of the most important arguments of nisman's denounce was rejected even by interpol”
It was not rejected by Interpol, Nisman's arguments ware based that the Iranian and Argentine agreement would leed to the fall of the red alerts for the Iranians.
Its just amazing how Kirchnerist wankers like yourself can get so easily fooled with a little semantics and argument missplacements game of Telam, 678 and Pagina 12. But as I found out there is many idiots that cant stand facts and logic all over the world so I have to admit in your favour you are not the only retard around.
@53
Jan 20th, 2015 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't get too worked up over comments from Alex Kirchner. He is clearly a paid shill from the witches cabinet.
No one in their right mind could listen to his rantings without getting a bit of a chuckle. Don't think for a second that I'm kidding. It's a known fact that Kirchner pays a group of individuals to monitor publications and to defend her, no matter what. Alex is one of them...
Come on there's some other good news coming out of the sh*thole today, and as I have been saying the next industry to start to pull out will be the auto companies, and Delphi just packed up and left 450 workers without a job.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Told ya
and its only going to get worse
:)
@55 Did you read the Bubblear article on the wine industry in Mendoza? 400,000 work in the wine industry in Argentina and the government has all but destroyed it.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But according to Tobi who pretends to live in Argentina.....Mendoza is paradise.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 056. The wine industry is toast. The USA will hike the import taxes on it until they lose their biggest market. It won't take long for us to retaliate with the WTO ruling.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus Soy is getting hammered its -14% yoy.
They have nothing left to rely on and those silly creatures think they'll have 30% inflation next year. My bet is the gov't pumps in so much cash to try to get the wheels spinning again they'll flood the engine and end up way over 60%.
Frankly I hope this is finally the spark that gets these apathetic losers off the couch and do something about their gov't destroying their lives.
I'll be very disappointed if it doesn't go anywhere.
yankeeboy
Jan 20th, 2015 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The wine industry is toast. The USA will hike the import taxes on it until they lose their biggest market.”
but you have to consider that american wines are some kind of bad joke..
in terms of quality, you have the 3 main countries (france, spain, italy) and immediately behind, argentina.
no one who has tasted a achaval ferrer or catena zapata, for instance, would swap for that american thing made in steel barrels.
yuck.
59. Paul you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about the USA produces some of the finest wines in the world.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus we can buy the finest wines from every country in the world.
Its easy to leave Argentina wines out of our market
It won't be missed
It will be easily replaced by some other producer either domestically or through imports.
Easy Peasy
and by not being able to sell in the USA it destroys one of your only U$ exports and throws 100s of thousands of people out of work
win win in my book
@59 Good grief, where do you get your information from?
Jan 20th, 2015 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 061. Most of Paul's info is as out of date as their text books it stops sometime pre WW2.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it were up to me that's where I would stop their history lessons too.
Everything since has been downhill.
:)
Holy shit a KK subordinate journalist had info last Sunday that Nisman would not comply in congress 2 hours before the news started coming up that he was dead.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrRlc6oyNRY
Just saw in the Bubble that excellent parody poster “House of K's” ... I would say “House of Kraps”
Jan 20th, 2015 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0elaina and yankeeboy
Jan 20th, 2015 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nobody expects that a british or falklander or american (?) can know too much about wines.
you guys are made for beer, which combines perfectly with the food you eat there: fish and fries, hamburgers and fries, hot dogs and fries, and tons of ketchup.
but in argentina, france, spain and italy, it is mandatory to know about good wines, mostly because of our mediterranean diet.
and let me tell you, NOBODY in his/ her right mind would chose an american wine over an argentine.
@65 Stop making a show of yourself. Actually, keep talking. You sound so ridiculous on this subject no one will believe a word you say on any other subject.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who thinks CFK will be shaking in her wheelchair tonight?
@65 paulcedron
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a total load of bullshit/
@34 paulcedron
You have no idea of what other languages I speak.
Paul, I lived in Argentina for many years, ate in every one of the best restaurants and private clubs. I can say will assurance that the selections of imported wines is abysmal in your country.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Millions upon millions of people choose American wines over Argentinian.
Wine sales in the U.S. from all production sources—California, other U.S. states and foreign countries—increased 2% from the previous year to a new record of 360.1 million 9-liter cases with an estimated retail value of $34.6 billion, according to wine industry consultant Jon Fredrikson of Gomberg, Fredrikson & Associates in Woodside. Of the total, almost two-thirds or 207.7 million cases of California wine account for a 58% share of U.S. wine sales with an estimated retail value of $22 billion. Including exports, 2012 California wine shipments to all markets in the U.S. and abroad reached 250.2 million cases.
Argentina is but a rounding error compared to our industry.
yamkeeboy
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are talking about quantity.
i am talking about quality.
again, it is impossible to compare an achaval ferrer or catena zapata with that american thing you call wine.
@ Paul.... You sir, are and exquisite fool.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Burgers, fries,...yankees...” Bla bla bla... When was the last time you were in the states? West coast wines are known throughout the world as some of the best. And French wine is akin to an 88 year old debutant trying to get by on her looks.
Something interesting about Argentines is that they have an enormous inferiority complex. Instead of simply speaking of the all the amazing things Argentina has to offer, they tend to make attempts at comparing themselves to others. “We have the biggest, best, smallest greenest, prettiest.....” There is nothing wrong with wearing the jersey but are you the best at EVERYTHING?
I'd put up the best of Napa Valley (which I doubt you've heard of) against any Argentine wine. Not to say that there aren't superb Argentine wines it's just that they are SO inconsistent. I'm guessing this is largely due to the Argentines invoking their two favorite words, “good enough”.
70 chicken
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and you sir are a complete and exquisite pelotudo.
“Something interesting about Argentines is that they have an enormous inferiority complex. ”
and what the f*ck can you know about argentines?
when was the last time you left the islets?
never?
Tranquilo, boludo. Tenes que callate la boca si quieres apreder algo.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be calm Paul. Just a little friendly ribbing. Also, I live in central Patagonia and travel extensively. I know more about the Argentines than they know about themselves.
When was it that you were in the states last? Ah yes, never. As I thought.
Well, ladies, gentlemen y la idiota...I'm off to enjoy some cheap malbec and mediocre feedlot raised Argentine beef.
Saludos!
PC has done a good job of distracting from the subject but is a complete twit about wines. Probably can't afford decent wine.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I know more about the Argentines than they know about themselves.”
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what you clearly don't know is how to speak in spanish.
you, boludo, mix “boludo” with “quieres”?
lol
and it is callaRte and apreNder, you nincompoop.
since the islets are in patagonia, i will concede that you live in patagonia.
Argentina couldn't even import wines when I lived there a decade ago. The very few I saw from outside of the country cost more than most people made in a month.
Jan 20th, 2015 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul Argentina has good cheap wines. Leave it at that because you clearly know nothing about wine.
Any protests tonight? Or are the Rgs sipping mate and smoking pot?
@73 ElaineB
Jan 21st, 2015 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wish I could afford decent wine. Unfortunately I can't as often as I would like. Most of the times I just have to do away with one of t those 50-60 pesos wannabes.
Rooster, you are absolutely right about that inferiority complex @70.
Paul, give it up already. You are making a fool of yourself. If you want to “hacer patria”, you could just shut up and listen. Besides, I don't think you are experienced enough to tell a fine wine from grape juice.
No protests tonight. Big coverage in the local media though. Everybody is talking about it. Pot would be a great idea. My American brother in law grows his own and I've heard from his friends that the product is premium.
Too late for mate. Cheep beer, un pis y a la cama.
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Jan 21st, 2015 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0get a job, loser, and you will be able to afford a good wine.
in the meanwhile just shut your @ss up.
elaine
if you want to get informed about this issue, then you are in the wrong site.
the information merdopress can offer is a sad joke, and so its readers.
what you jhave to do is:
1. learn spanish
2. go to tn.com.ar
3. read the full plainte of nisman
4. draw your own conclusions
Just came in from the pub, this site is hilarious especially Paulie's ramblings - what an ignorant dick! As the prime RG rep, that says it all..
Jan 21st, 2015 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0However Mr Nisman died, the Ks and their hangers on are rightly getting the blame. Bang those pots.
Oh Paul, you are not dead!!!
Jan 21st, 2015 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where the f.ck did that come from?
I put up at least 60 hrs. a week. I'm probably still working (and I was still working just a minute ago) every night when there comes the time that you feel like watching porn and jerk off like a mutant teenager pushing 30.
You are embarrassing to yourself and our country. Please don't try to defend us anymore.
Looks like CFK et al are trying to 'muddy the waters' already. They want to blow so much smoke around that there will never be a truthfull outcome.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just hope the Argentine populace keep demanding the truth.
Meanwhile, forget about pant-wetter Paulie's deflections about wine, in his own words “get informed before posting” ( a familiar phrase of his?)
More delightful insights (NOT), here....
https://id.theguardian.com/profile/id/10307019/public#profile/id/10307019/public?activity-stream=articles
haha!
ilsen, it is pretty clear what happened. You brit f*ggots killed Nisman!!
Jan 21st, 2015 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Long live the silly party!
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Jan 21st, 2015 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0what “us” are you talking about?
you cannot be considered argentinian, you english wannabe.
even a honest english would consider you despicable for licking their boots in such pathetic way.
Right, as opposed to you being such an a*hole, ranting, loathing and creeping up when reality does not match you fantasy world anymore?
Jan 21st, 2015 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know you mean well but you lack the ability to explore yourself deeply (pun not intended). You have to try to know yourself before spewing out abominations onto other human beings (or other human groups for that matter).
btw, you mispelled that, I licked them b*obs ... and it wasn't pathetic at all (macho chauvinism not intended as well)
Paula, it's painful to watch you butcher both languages. Why don't you get your jammies on and let the adults speak for a bit.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your CommentArgentines believe they have the best beef of the world, the best wines in the world, the best women, etc.... simply because we are told so.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway….. Would you believe that none of the building neighbors were questioned yet?? Well its the case, only random walkers in the Sunday morning were called to be witnesses. I think that they are shit scared.
Did you mean that the “House of Krap” is shit scared?
Jan 21st, 2015 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0If so, yes, agreed.
The building neighbors. You can hear a woman with high heels walking in any modern day building (and hear much more) but you cant hear a bullet fired on a Sunday afternoon??
Jan 21st, 2015 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's because there was no one dead or shot. What they found was just a stunned norwegian blue resting.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've known for at least 2 years 2015 would be exciting in Argentina!
Jan 21st, 2015 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love you yb. You piss me off most of the times but I have to give credit to you on this one.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's a very thin line between love and hate.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pablo please come back and post. I started what is becoming a shitty day and I really need some laughs. PLEEEEEEASE!
Jan 21st, 2015 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 054 I read along time ago Israel paid 50 guys to sit around and troll Craigslist (a web site like this) and other sites pushing their agenda during the Lebanon invasion. Argentinas version of this is one shit head with fifty names trying to deflect attention away from the subject...
Jan 21st, 2015 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@93
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's is easy to explain. Kirchnerite supporters can barely spell in Spanish. This must be the only guy they've got that can write in English.
@94
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0but they are 'trés' amusing, non?
@95
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes they are! If you understand Spanish just go to the comments section of any article in Clarin or La Nacion and your eyes will hurt just trying to figure out what those cyber monkeys are trying to say.
Well, may be that is a blessing not to be able to understand them as nothing worth pondering would come out from such limited minds. Did that sound like me discriminating? Well, we are supposed to have evolved over thousands and thousands of years. Who knows? It could well be that the missing link is still alive somewhere in BA.
@96 lol! true!
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do have some understanding of Spanish (at post-grad Economics/Politics level, albeit many years ago), and do follow other news-wires/sites/blogs etc.
I agree the education, (inducted propganda), in Argentina is well below 1st world standards, this is obvious accross the international media spectrum.
Argentina has a massive 'wake-up' call in the pipeline...
@97
Jan 26th, 2015 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ wake up” Argentina the world is watching you as regards this “ suiside ” of a journalist, don't think they will find the culprit, best wait until all the living today are dead.
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