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AMIA/Nisman: a situation of unpredictable consequences, says Rosendo Fraga
The death of special prosecutor Alberto Nisman puts Argentina in a situation of unforeseeable outcome in which converge foreign policy, institutional functioning and local politics, according to Rosendo Fraga one of the country's most respected political analysts. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat a bunch of tripe. What is unforeseeable? The logical consequences of the perronista political/economic pillaging of the country . . . .
Jan 21st, 2015 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0CD2's worst fears - the destruction of Argentine society, by 'you know who'!
Jan 21st, 2015 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think for the ongoing health of TMBOA somebody should “loan” her a 0.22rf lr BERSA SA pistol ASAP.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0That would solve such a lot of problems.
Some say aliens did it, the mafia perhaps,
Jan 21st, 2015 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0the Russians or even the British,
one things for sure, CFK says she did NOT do it...lol
What's all the fuss?
Jan 21st, 2015 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK government already admitted full responsibility for the assassination .
“ There were no traces for third party participation”.
Of course not. These guys are professionals. They will not leave any trace.
This is exactly what they are being paid for.
“Argentina is the Latam country most linked to the Islamic fundamentalism conflict”
Jan 21st, 2015 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....but, but CD2 told us that the ocean would prevent any contact with
Islamic fundamentalism? Yet the Arg gvt are in bed with them?
Does this mean he was wrong? Or just misguided? ooh-err! Who would have thought it!
It means Rosendo Fraga is wrong, Venezuela is the most linked to Islamic fundamentalism and the ayatollahs.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can’t believe it was the Iranians since they gained nothing from killing Nisman. He was about to be removed by CFK, that is why he returned with haste to Argentina to denounce CFKs cover up of the terrorists.
All cats are grey in the dark....
Jan 21st, 2015 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 08.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well but answer and explain why were the Iranians according to you involved in Nismans murder?? I mean its the least you can do
@1. Ah yes. But I think the point is the 'incalculable' unforeseeable circumstances. As a 'player', will Timerman be dragged out of his office to see a gallows erected in the Plaza del Mayo? But look at all those handy trees!
Jan 21st, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7. About to be removed by his chief suspect, was he? Now why would she do that? But there's a problem. There's obviously a case for any member of the government to be removed from any position where they can affect the outcome of an investigation. That takes care of Kirchner, Boudou, Capitanich, Timerman, Kicillof, Kirchner A, Fernandez. All in the frame. Which criminal takes over?
@9. Why not? They're muslims. They believe in death. Especially for unbelievers.
Does anyone else smell a rat here? It all seems a little too obvious. Are the CFK thugs so stupid or brazen to kill Nisman a day before he was to testify. They would have had to know how guilty they would seem. Perhaps they didn't care...
Jan 21st, 2015 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly, I doubt the masses will ever know the truth.
Like you, I honestly don't know if the Iranians were involved in the probable murder of Nisman. I didn't say that.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was commenting on the fact that the Kirchnerites have been in bed with them for years, and therefore there has been some islamic fundamentalist influence at the highest echoleons of the Argentine administration for this time. Something which you have decried recently. Not forgetting you have the biggest mosque in South America too...
I would speculate that the Iranians were adding to the pressure to silence Nisman but not directly involved.
You are mixing apples and oranges I decried the idea we will have a Muslim problem in Argentina.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paris is plannig to press charges on Fox News for stating a fact, that there are no go areas in the French capital.
We dont have Muslim suburbs in Argentina. Nor there will ever be, that doesnt mean to say the government is not going to flirt with those regimes in th Middle East.
Fair comment (except about knowing the future ;-)
Jan 21st, 2015 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh I am posting from the future…2050. Britain is a caliphate of EUrabia. We have a humanitarian catastrophe the last European refugees that managed to leave to the Americas are swarming by the millions many more were left behind to be killed and the women made into sexual slaves. The St Peters cathedral in the Vatican was converted into a Mosque like happened in Istanbul after the fall of Constantinople.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Danger Mouse
Jan 21st, 2015 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems you've swallowed there a Fox News Fact that Fox News has since regurgitated. At least twice. But I'm sure you'll be glad to learn that you can come down off the chandelier. Once again, there is no need for panic.
'On Saturday, Fox apologized morning, noon and night.
Jeanine Pirro issued the final correction of the day, at 9:10 p.m., for something her guest Steve Emerson said a week earlier: that Birmingham, England is a “totally Muslim city where non-Muslims don't go in.” Emerson was ridiculed for his comments, and he subsequently apologized.
“Last week on this program, a guest made a serious factual error that we wrongly let stand unchallenged and uncorrected,” Pirro said.
She went on to say that “the most recent census data, which is from 2011, indicates 22% of the population of Birmingham identifies themselves as Muslim. Also, we could find no credible source that indicates Birmingham is a so-called no-go zone.
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Earlier on Saturday, on the morning show ”Fox & Friends,“ co-host Anna Kooiman referred to the previous week's program, when ”we showed a map of neighborhoods in France labeled as no-go zones.“
”Some of the neighborhoods were highlighted incorrectly,“ she said. ”We apologize for the error.“'
http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/18/media/fox-apologizes-for-anti-islam-comments/?iid=EL
The ”incorrectly highlighted” areas of the French Capital described as EekAMuslim! no-go areas included Montmartre and Place de la République. Probably they only stopped there because they couldn't find the Eiffel Tower and Notre Dame.
Ignorance. TimermanKicilofflandia is a country under Israeli rule. How do I know these Iran deals are fake? THey signed deals with Iran, China, Bin Laden, Putin...but did they do it without converting Argentina into a failed state? No. So what good do they do Iran by bankrupting Argentina? Was Cristina raised in a jewish home? Yes.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the truth hurts attack the messenger....
Jan 21st, 2015 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.jpost.com/International/City-of-Paris-aims-to-sue-Fox-News-388392
Argentina just moved into the Chinese sphere of influence,
Jan 21st, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0snafu-solomon.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/argentina-just-moved-into-chinese.html
@19
Jan 21st, 2015 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try to see the point.
When the messenger has publicly withdrawn the message and apologised for it four times in the same day, you can stop scaring yourself.
“Try to see the point.... ”
Jan 21st, 2015 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is the most rich statement you ever made.
I dont see they have publicly withdrawn any messege at all....And Paris is suing FOX NEWS then they are attacking the messenger.
@19 Briton
Jan 21st, 2015 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, Briton that was meant for @18 not @19
@21
What don't you understand about “Last week on this program, a guest made a serious factual error that we wrongly let stand unchallenged and uncorrected”, and ”We apologize for the error.“?
If Paris is suing Fox News, it's not for passing messages, it's for telling lies. Lies are a bit different from messages. Messages are supposed to be true. The practice of passing false messages has several names : lies, calumny, slander, bollocks, bullshit, etc, etc.
FOX may have got wrong certain quartiers of Paris that were actualy centric. I will give you that. FOX DIDN'T actually deny nor apolagize about the existance of NO GO AREAS in Paris...
Jan 21st, 2015 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that is the messege FOX is transmitting...Europe has no go zones ruled by sharia and Islamism. That is no lie. Its the truth.
@23
Jan 21st, 2015 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Name one of these no-go zones.
Ohhh you stupid little faggot... Let Manuel Valls a socialist himself has admited their existance just yesturday and named them as a problem
Jan 21st, 2015 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lesechos.fr/politique-societe/politique/0204094310486-valls-je-suis-charlie-nest-pas-le-seul-message-de-la-france-au-monde-1085000.php
@25
Jan 21st, 2015 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol, you really do have difficulties with reading comprehension. Valls was certainly talking about problems of inclusion and integration, everybody in France knows they have those. But he was not talking about Fox News shock-horror-EekAMsulim! no go areas where sharia reigns and the the police, the fire brigade, bureaucrats don't dare set foot.
I'm still waiting for you to name one of those, and frankly your inability to do so is making me just a little suspicious.
In the meantime, check out what else Valls said :
« Il ne faut pas réduire la France à un seul message. La France porte la liberté d’expression partout, mais elle défend aussi d’autres valeurs qui nous sont chères: la paix, le respect des convictions, le dialogue entre les religions »
and
Le Premier ministre a salué le « cri de ralliement » qu’a constitué le slogan d’hommage aux victimes de la tuerie de Charlie Hebdo et des attentats en région parisienne, un message « qui a réuni tous les Français, beaucoup de Français ». « Nous devons toujours éviter ce piège des amalgames, des identités irréconciliables. Ce piège que nous tendent les terroristes », a-t-il toutefois souligné.
What???? He talks about ghettos you stupid fuck!!!!!!!!! And not only that he had already acknowledged their existence in 2005. Like the rest of the common sense people in the world.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“la relégation péri-urbaine, les ghettos -ce que j’évoquais en 2005 déjà- un apartheid territorial, social, ethnique, qui s’est imposé à notre pays ”
There is nearly 500 No go quartiers in all of France. ZUS is just an euphemism. Besides you have already admited their existance in another thread. You are just here to troll me you stupid retard.
If you are so comfortable with the Muslims, why are you so desperate to go shit searching every source I post, everything I say you are so interested in twisting. Why ??
“EakMuslims”. What the fuck is that you keep on saying, retard ??
Fuck what a troll and a retard !!
You are probably a Muslim shit yourself or your filthy grandchildren are...
@27
Jan 21st, 2015 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's really quite simple. Name one of those 500 no go areas where sharia reigns and the the police, the fire brigade, bureaucrats and whatever don't dare set foot.
Its really quite simple. France is riddled with no go zones on the periphery of its cities. You are a troll, a liar and a retard.
Jan 21st, 2015 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29
Jan 21st, 2015 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's really quite simple. Name one of those 500 no go areas where sharia reigns and the the police, the fire brigade, bureaucrats and whatever don't dare set foot. There must be a record of some kind somewhere, surely?
(I won't bother asking you to explain where the figure of 500 comes from, because I know you can't do that already)
Thickheaded toasted yet again Bahahahaha… .
Jan 21st, 2015 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Jan 21st, 2015 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently he's starting his own militant anti-muslim movement. It's going to be called the Brown Trousers, because they're always crapping themselves about one thing or another.
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Jan 22nd, 2015 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0that's ok.
@30 HansHiesund
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@29 CabezaDura2
Dear Sirs,
If you'll kindly allow my two-cents worth.
I believe you’re both killing yourselves over a very colloquial term, without agreeing on the parameters.
If you’re talking about areas with absolutely no government control via the authoritative branches, 24/7/365, then Hans is correct; but by that definition, there probably aren't any true no-go zones in San Pedro Sula either.
If however you’re debating about isolated areas where no “outsider” should ever set foot, day or night (for example, about a fifth of the 18th in Paris), then Mr. Dura has a valid point.
However, let’s be clear’; the more inclusive definition would also capture multiple areas in the US (although significantly fewer than 30 years ago); and large, large sections of most Central and South American cities.
I do believe it’s undeniable that such suspect areas are actually growing in Europe, and shrinking in North America (could be due to the size of our NA jail population, but that's another matter).
The only true no-go zone that I have visited (multiple times) was in Naples (the Canadian War Graves Cemetery is located on the periphery), and in the 80's it was a true no-go zone for the police (but the problem there certainly was not the Muslims).
Derke
I would be interested to learn of the exact location of these 'no-go' areas in Paris or the UK. Places that the police are 'scared' to enter.
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or I could just tune into Fox 'News' and believe any old shite instead...
Whatever happened with the RUFO clause expiration?
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0That thing has just been wiped out from the news ... Just bothers me. We are going to hell in a hand basket!
@36
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina didn't pay up. Fact.
oops!
@Ilsen
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go to Seine-Saint-Denis next time... You will have the time of your life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7L3JAfnsNo
Clos Saint-Lazare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7L3JAfnsNo
Marseille
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7L3JAfnsNo
@Derke
Areas in France where no cops nor gendarmeries where identified more than a decade ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7L3JAfnsNo
But I agree that the definition of no-go zone gets fuzzy at a certain point
@37
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's right ilsen. What bothers me is that after new year, this was a top discussion item. At least amongst the people I know that work in finance.
Then suddenly, total silence. It is just strange since it was one of the most pressing issues these K scumbags are facing. Still is besides the obvious implications of a prosecutor -that accused the govt of conspiracy- turning up dead.
Just can't get rid of this feeling that something else is being cooked in the dark. That's all.
@35 ilsen
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You asked?
a) Here you can see what happens when the police enter a suburb of Paris (Clichy Montfermeil) in daylight (you can just imagine what it is like at night). If you don’t speak French, just start watching at about 2:45.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6qf97_go-fast-connexion-by-kourtrajme_news
Also, you can read this research paper (Universite Paris):
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6qf97_go-fast-connexion-by-kourtrajme_news
(in English) “where police and gendarmerie cannot enforce the Republican order or even enter without risking confrontation, projectiles, or even fatal shootings.“
And here’s the French government's official list of ”sensitive urban zones:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6qf97_go-fast-connexion-by-kourtrajme_news
It might be using the term relatively freely, but it’s certainly not hyperbole to use the term “no-go zone” for certain isolated areas of Grigny or the ’93 (Seine Saint-Denis), among others.
b) As for no-go zones in the UK? How about anything north of the Watford gap petrol station!
Oh, sorry, that’s just me :)
@38 CabezaDura2
Yes, I am well aware; as I know Paris quite well. On this point, I tend to agree with you more than disagree (as long as we're incorporating the term loosely). I must add though that unfortunately I personally find that your credibility takes a significant dip when you become frustrated and deviate towards the guttural. You certainly possess the necessary capabilities to steer clear of such, if you wish (maybe you don't?).
Derke
thanks for all the feedback/comments/links
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0back soon...
36 Tarquin
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0RUFO ?
Yes, I expected some fresh confrontation, immediately come Jan. 1st.
Nothing.
From either side. Nothing.
It begs questions, doesn't it??
@40. Ohh no, Its only HamasNiesund and his troll sock puppets I treat like scum
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 043 CD2
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I honestly do not think that Derke is a sock of Hans.
I have spoken with him.
@34 Derke
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Derke, you're of course entirely welcome with your two cents worth, but I fear you are muddying the waters. The contention put forward by Fox News is not of no-go areas per se, it is of Muslim extremist bridgeheads in the heart of Western civilization, etc, etc, etc, where sharia law is enforced, and secular agencies such as the police, fire brigade, or government authorities have been expelled. Something like you might find in segregated Sunni or Shia neighbourhoods of Iraq, Syria, Libya, or the Lebanon.
This is a phenomenon quite distinct from zones urbaines sensibles, which are no more than a tool of social policy and would normally equate to zones of urban deprivation in English, or to areas of high criminality, gang activity, and drug dealing such as Clichy Monterfeneil.
Cabeza wants us to believe that there are 500 of these Muslim extremist bridgeheads which have to all intents and purposes seceded from metropolitan France, and I would be quite willing to accept this, shock horror though it is, if only he was able to name one of them or explain where the figure of 500 comes from.
It's instructive also to put this into the context of some of the other never-mind-the-quality-feel-the-width statistics we've been treated to, notably the figure of 130-800 million Muslim extremists implacably opposed to Christian Western civilization, etc, etc, a truly terrifying figure which is 80-350 times greater than the size of the People's Liberation Army, 30-200 times the size of the Mongol horde that created the greatest empire the world has ever seen, and 5 times greater than the total number of combattants in Word War 2, Axis and Allies combined.
Apparently I'm supposed to go out and burn down a kebab shop or something to defend against this. I'm just wondering where is the best place to start.
@43
I have no sock puppets, and there's no need to be shirty. I'm just trying to help with your conceptual, methodological, logical, and factual errors.
@44 No, of course Derke is one of Hamas's sock puppets, CS and those other creatures are.
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@46
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right. Any conspiracy theory is better than the admission you've screwed up.
I'm still waiting for the name or location of any zone in France (or indeed elsewhere in Europe) where sharia law is imposed and state actors cannot enter.
46
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, of course Derke is NOT one of Hamas's sock puppets, CS and those other creatures are.
@48
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Am I to conclude from these rather pathetic attempts at distraction that you are unable to give me the name or location of any zone in France (or indeed elsewhere in Europe) where sharia law is imposed and state actors cannot enter?
I mean, if you can't come up with anything, just say so.
Has it not sunk in to you feeble mind yet that I already answered that to someone else, but that I don’t care about your trolling? You will have you little mob of sucers or sock puppets applauding you anyway for saying the last word. I couldn't care less.
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are far to stupid you distort facts whenever you can. You ignore facts whenever you can, you lie whenever you can, you divert whenever you can.
And you want me to go over 500 No go zones of all of France ?? Its not worth it Hamas. You are not worth it.
@50
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, I'm not greedy. I don't need the whole 500, just one would be enough. One teeny little sharia no go zone, it's not much to ask.
But if you can't come up with one, I guess you can't come up with one. And I'm regrettably obliged to conclude that once again you've been peddling unfounded hysteria, and no panic is necessary on my part. What a relief that is.
←Doesn't care
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41 Ilsen, you may enjoy these links:
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2015/01/08/fears-in-europe-of-violent-retaliation-and-islamophobia-following-paris-killings
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/01/08/fears-in-europe-of-violent-retaliation-and-islamophobia-following-paris-killings
It rather illustrates the position of posters on this emotive subject.
rotting roadkill as the mafia state:
Jan 22nd, 2015 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.palisadeshudson.com/2015/01/the-newest-mafia-state/
@53 ElaineB
Jan 23rd, 2015 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Elaine,
wow, they certainly are, umm... 'vociforous' aren't they!
:-)
I have been away for a while. Good to catch up a little.
I hope that CD2 is not repeating his comments that you 'deserve to be raped by Muslims' or whatever. The odious little man.
I also see that paulcedron has turned into a rabid lower-class version of TTT/Cont Troll. However, his posting on The Guardian CIF boards are quite laughable too. He attempts to appear as an intelligent and reasonable poster, but as soon as someone disagrees he resorts to the 'read a book' / 'get educated, you 4th-class idiot' etc.
Trés amuse, mon cherie!
55.
Jan 23rd, 2015 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I missed you too ilsen. There was some random creepy guys coming around out of nowhere that new much about me during your abscence.
@56 CD2
Jan 23rd, 2015 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, I am sorry to hear about that.
Do you need me to protect you? and I thought you were a big ol' bear!
All big ol' bears have a cuddly little teddy bear they carry inside...
Jan 23rd, 2015 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58
Jan 23rd, 2015 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quick, run! EekElmerFudd! is coming.
59.
Jan 23rd, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I find it much more scary what standard cartoons are for Muslim toddlers like your filthy grandchildren.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d64HLtAPKY
Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar. That shit cult religion dominates in every scene and almost every comment
@60
Jan 24th, 2015 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0EekACartoon!
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