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Falklands/Malvinas: Celac summit, including Commonwealth members, support Argentina's 'legitimate' claims
The Celac summit held in Costa Rica and which brings together all Latin American and Caribbean countries released a declaration expressing full support for Argentina's 'legitimate' rights over the Falklands/Malvinas, recalls that 2015 marks the 50th anniversary of Resolution 2065 (first UN Assembly General resolution on the Falklands dispute) and again call on the goods offices of Ban Ki-moon to help start negotiations on the Argentina/UK dispute. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAnd nothing will change....UNASOR, mercosore, OAS, Celac, SOREANUS and all the other claptrap talking shops CHANGE nothing.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0When Argentina has a guidance from the ICJ supporting their “legitimate rights” then perhaps....but nothing!
No doubt the Uruguayan Almagro, The Argentine Rent Boy, so 'beloved' of Gollum was anxious to put his mark alongside the rest of the dead heads present to this 'resolution' blown out of the water by the Falklands War, started by the very people who now want to 'negotiate'.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a missed opportunity though. Somebody with balls, so that rules out the arseholes esconsed in the easy chairs areound the 'Round Table', could have blown the lot up and saved everybody in SA all the trouble that is surely coming in many countries, Venezuela and TDC for two.
Isn't it amazing how the Commonwealth ensures continuing friendly relations among members despite differences of opinion, even if those are only reflected in meaningless posturing.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahaha a load of lemons!
Jan 31st, 2015 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The merry-g0-round continues !
Jan 31st, 2015 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would also like to stress my strong support for the legitimate rights of Argentina in their sovereignty dispute over the Falkland Islands. That they have no case is another matter.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Merry-go-round”? Seems it does disturb. Strong support by the way. Not meaningless at all. Not only a matter of opinions. And yours is an opinion. Heads of State statements are not only so. Period
Jan 31st, 2015 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina Children's Falklands War Cartoon
Jan 31st, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0State-sponsored children’s program features guns, grenades and Gurkhas
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/argentina-produced-a-cartoon-version-of-the-falklands-war-ad6ebdaf9fa8
Resolution 2065 xx and words like 'interests of the inhabitants' may have been apt in 1965 but this has now been replaced by 'inalienable rights' brought about by self-determination.' Treaties, resolutions and laws are changeable as per human rights aspects. 2065 is long dead.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0As far as 'Argentina's legitimate rights' is concerned Argentina has a claim without a case. There is NO legitimacy in her Falklands claim whatsoever.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/falklands-at-the-icj2.pdf
get the help of the universe, The Falklands will still be British.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0File under: Status Quo
Jan 31st, 2015 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#7
Jan 31st, 2015 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's the same rubbish year after year. What practical “help” do you get from these people. They support your legitimate rights.....you have none. End of story.
Yawn, boring move on
Jan 31st, 2015 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alejo - 7 neatly of course countered by when those same Carib Commonwealth countries vote for the right if self determination etc at the Commonwealth Conferences!
Jan 31st, 2015 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It all about politics - have you not realised that yet! Countries vote which way it suites their position in that context at the time - as they know it is all totally MEANINGLESS anyway and changes nothing!
Why does Chile and Uruguay support you in the UN and Latam meetings - and then quietly encourage commercial trade etc with the islands ?
Simple - they don't want a load of foul rhetoric out of the casa rosada - and meanwhile they also value their good relations with UK.
Argentinean intellectuals question country's claim to the Falkland Islands.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/feb/22/argentinian-intellectuals-question-falklands?CMP=share_btn_link
@7. What a shame that you don't understand the world. How many more of these 'intergovernmental organisations' are you going to pay to produce the declarations you want? Or have you reached the point of telling them 'no-one leaves until we get what we want'? Two simple points. It's a General Assembly resolution adopted in 1965. NO General Assembly resolution is binding. In 1982, everything changed. NOTHING prior to 1982 is of ANY relevance. Get it yet?
Jan 31st, 2015 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's a little clue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis
Just read the first sentence. Then read the last paragraph.
You can then go on and read Article 1 of the UN Charter. Remember that? It's a document your state signed. You're supposed to comply with it. You've breached virtually every paragraph of that Article. You've also breached 3 out of the 7 paragraphs of Article 2. You've breached Article 25, Article 55(c), Article 74 and Article 94. Not too law-abiding are you?
Exactly what relevance do you think CELAC has for the United Kingdom or the Falkland Islands? The answer is - NONE!
But let's examine the declaration. In paragraph 1, as of 2015, there is already a peaceful and definitive solution. The Islands are British. 1982 proved that under the terms of international law. Paragraph 2 is irrelevant. As is the biased UN Special Committee on Decolonization. Paragraphs 3 and 4 are irrelevant. And paragraph 5 is just a lie. Go read the first temporary provision of your 'constitution'. The constitution to which you pay so little attention.
Here are some special thoughts for you. The Islanders come FIRST. Britain has stood up to the world before. It's 'popular' to think that the 'enemy' in WW2 consisted of Germany, Italy and Japan. Try this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis See the infobox? Britain faced up to 19 separate countries.
Try getting some support from somewhere that matters!
As others have stated, these countries support Argentina's LEGITIMATE claims, and nothing else.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUT Argentina has no LEGITIMATE claims hence why they won't got to the International Courts of Justice.
IF Argentina had LEGITIMATE claims I too would support their right to... GO TO THE INTERNATIONAL COURTS OF JUSTICE.
However, NO claim made by Argentina can overrule the right to self-determination.
END OF STORY.
Argentina PAY YOUR DEBTS YOU DEADBEAT COUNTRY.
Britains casualties in WW2 accounted for 8% of the allied total - about the same as France.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 085% of axis casualties took place on the Eastern front.
Anyway.... Antigua & Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Dominica, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, Saint Lucia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname and Trinidad & Tobago.
I foresee these countries leaving the 'commonwealth of nations which can collect 6 wrappers and fill in a form' and aligning themselves with a central or South American entity.
It's like bringing a bunch of cockroaches and ask the to vote for or against RAID bug. What outcome would anyone expect?
Jan 31st, 2015 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All together now:
La cucaracha, la cucaracha
Ya no puede caminar.
Porque no tiene, porque le falta,
Dinero para gastar.
Una cucaracha pinta,
Le dijo a uno colorado,
“Vamonos para mi tierra,
A pasar la temporada”
Captain,
Jan 31st, 2015 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you are not a native Spanish speaker, I forgive you for mistaking an insect for an Argentine who is the current president of her country.
I totally support Argentina's legitimate rights as well always have. Always will.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is why every single statement uses the word LEGITIMATE.
“I foresee these countries leaving the 'commonwealth of nations which can collect 6 wrappers and fill in a form' and aligning themselves with a central or South American entity”
Why do you keep proving yoi have a deficient education? The Commonwealth doesn't force them to align themselves with anyone you idiot. Which is obvious considering they are already part of dozens of other organisations.
Being part of the Commonwealth of Nations is compatible with countries being int the EU, ASEAN, AU, NAFTA and dozens of other sovereignty sharing groups. The fact that countries that weren't really part of the British Empire are trying to join shows that it is beyond you abilities to understand what it does.
Antigua & Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Grenada, Jamaica, Saint Lucia, Saint Kitts and Nevis and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines are also Commonwealth Realms under Queen Elizabeth II. Independent countries that can do what they want and are not beholden to a position the UK government holds or wishes.
Just proves how well our system works. And that makes me laugh every time you post another pathetic comment attempting to show otherwise.
@21 A sovereignty claim without a case can only be described as an 'illegitimate claim.'
Jan 31st, 2015 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has 'no' legitimate rights over the Falkland Islands.
Time has come for a revision of membership of the British Commonwealth.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wouldn't it be best if countries like Antigua & Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Dominica, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, Saint Lucia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname and Trinidad & Tobago just left?
They can base their exit on health reasons.
@18. They're totally welcome. Fourteen states no longer 'entitled' to enter the UK. Fourteen states losing British foreign aid. Fourteen states 'on their own' when a latam dictator invades. Fourteen states with an automatic refusal to a visa application. And, in time, we'll get rid of scotchland the same way.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20. A bug is a bug. Although something that is current president of a country is more like 'buggered'. Frequently.
@22. Nothing before 1982 is relevant.
@23. It's not the British Commonwealth. It's the Commonwealth of Nations. It hasn't been the British Commonwealth since 1949.
Agreed
Jan 31st, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all these two fades countries should Soddy offy,
all aid should be withdrawn,
nice to know they got their freedom then stabs the rest in the back,
the worlds getting more and more violent,
tell em to sod of , and no helping them , when they get claims from others,
ranting or just blowing off,
the world has been at peace for far to long, and some are pushing and pushing,
[last words ]
sooner or later.
just fracking glad im British and fully protected,
cant say the same for them.
What is interesting is that in 2008, Belize, Jamaica, St Lucia and Trinidad and Tobago all voted with the UK and against Argentina at the UNGA
Jan 31st, 2015 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if their position has really changed. I doubt it.
The word legitimate is the really interesting thing here. Basically they are saying that they support legitimate claims Argentina has.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But since Argentina has NO legitimate claims the statement is meaningless, yet the Argentinians will, no doubt, be ecstatic. It is just meaningless words and everyone (except Argentina's Malvinistas) knows it.
Let's look at Argentina's 'claims'.
1. The British 'kicked' Argentina off the islands in 1833. That is only partially true. The British 'kicked' the United Provinces off the islands in 1833 because the islands had been British since 1765. The successor state to the UP was Uruguay NOT Argentina. So an ILLEGITIMATE claim.
2. Spain left the islands to Argentina in it's 'will'. That is completely untrue. Spain did NOT relinquish it's sovereignty claim until the 1840's yet didn't recognise Argentina as an independent nation until the 1860s. This neatly blows their 1833, Vernet etc..., claims out of the water as the islands would have had to been Spanish for them to 'leave' them to Argentina in the 1860s. So an ILLEGITIMATE claim that neatly debunks their other claims.
3. Geographical proximity. Not recognised by international law. So an ILLEGITIMATE claim.
4. Migrating birds. Speaks for itself. ILLEGITIMATE and STUPID claim.
5. Continental shelf claim. Already debunked and denounced by the UN. An ILLEGITIMATE claim.
6. Because 'we wants it'. An ILLEGITIMATE claim.
There really are NO legitimate claims made by Argentina. Hence why the statement is meaningless claptrap meant to make the Argies STFU and give the rest of the countries 5 minutes peace from their constant whining, crying, crawling and begging.
I mean it's fun watching Argentina demean and humiliate itself like this the 1st hundred times or so but eventually it just becomes embarrassing.
I notice in 2008 that Belize, Jamaica and St Lucia ALL SPOKE at the UN, and all ABSOLUTELY STATED that self-determination was a fundamental right irrespective of a sovereignty dispute, and then voted with the UK.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So it is interesting, how, certain countries are happy to appease Argentina, yet, when push comes to shove, vote with the UK.
Yet when Belize was faced with aggression who did it turn to,
Jan 31st, 2015 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0us as usual.
And so little by little international pressure builds up. Don't forget that all Argentina is asking is to seat down and talk, which Britain has steadfastly refused.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0So it seems the handful of anguished defenders of this colonial remnant are a bit more isolated each day.
Yes, the war was a setback for Argentina claims. However, we had a dictatorship at the time. Menem was not much better. Now it's a different reality.
Better get used to it.
@30
Feb 01st, 2015 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0When Timerman was in London, we agreed to his demands for talks and set them up - Timerman didn't show up! Better get used to it.
30 Enrique
Feb 01st, 2015 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK doesn't steadfastly refuse to speak with Argentina at all. It has offered to speak on several occasions but with the condition that the Falkland Islanders' representatives are part of the discussion. Argentina claim they would take the interests of the Islanders into consideration in any sovereignty negotiations so what would be wrong with them being present in discussions?
Dictatorship or not, Argentine troops invaded our home and half a million people cheered in front of The Pink House. That's the reality. Better get used to it.
@30. The 16 territories that still do not govern themselves must have complete freedom to determine their own future status,'Ban Ki-Moon, Secretary-General of the UN 2010.Best get used to the reality, anything else is just lip-service.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0#30
Feb 01st, 2015 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0What pressure ? You are deluded. Nobody cares a monkey's about the Falklands except ARGENTINA.
As for the Commonwealth countries,what practical help are they giving you ? Zilch ! Are there demonstrations in the streets, petitions to their Parliaments, questions raised in the UN ? Have I missed this on the international scene ?
Are you REALLY so thick that you did not realise that talks have been offered that your joke of a government refused, Scared to talk to a small group of people whose lives would be affected by ANY decisions made.
What a bunch of wimps you are !
#24
Who are “we” in your context. You also speak for Wales and N.Ireland ?
Do the voices in your head tell you these things ?
Keep on dreaming for a racially pure England and open the concentration camps for all ethnic groups that offend the mighty C. You make the Nazis seem quite benevolent.
@30
Feb 01st, 2015 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jesus you are so thick and totally indoctrinated by your ever corrupt government. SELF DETERMINATION is what the FALKLANDERS want and no amount of “ International Pressure ” will change the fact that at this moment in time they prefer to remain a BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY. In time maybe, just maybe they will change their minds but not until THEY SAY SO.
UK didn't condition any talks merely wanted to determine the make up of their own representation.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for Argentina's fragile and rather questionable democracy, I don't believe anybody would currently bet against the Military returning to power in the short to medium term.
Dangerous times ahead for Argentina.
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/5-Things-That-Happened-at-the-III-CELAC-Summit-20150129-0038.htmlhttp://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/5-Things-That-Happened-at-the-III-CELAC-Summit-20150129-0038.html
Feb 01st, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0This news report does NOT mention the Falklands/Malvinas - I wonder why?
@30
Feb 01st, 2015 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no international pressure. No country (including Argentina) has done a single solitary thing since 1982 to apply any “pressure” on the UK.
No trade barriers, no sanctions, no travel restrictions, nothing....in fact the only people who Argentina has dared put any restrictions on are the islands themselves....because like all bully's Argentina only picks on those too small to hit back. Flights from Beunos Aires to London (yes), Ships flying the Uk flag (yes), trade with the Uk (yes), UK companies all over Argentina (yes)....but no Falklands flights, no Falklands ships, no Falklands trade...YOU COWARDS!!
The Falklands are far from a “colonial relic”...they run their own affairs...the only country that wishes to govern them against their will is Argentina....!!
So as far as “getting used to it”is concerned...what we will get used to is this:
1) the Falklands determining their own government
2) the Falklands remaining a British overseas territory
3) Argentina using a Malvinas myth to fool and control the uneducated in its population (you)
4) the islanders being prosperous
5) Argentina being too terrified to talk to them, or deal with them
But mostly, Argentina being so utterly terrified of taking its case to the one single court in the world that could actually make a judgement. The International Court of Justice. True, without Britians consent the judgment would not be binding...but that truly would be “International Pressure”. So why don't you lobby your government to do that? It's had 70 years to build a case.
It's easy to do, you did it with the Beagle Channel dispute....(and lost that one too).
If the“Malvinas case” is so strong...what are you scared of?
30 Enrique
Feb 01st, 2015 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite a few of us have replied to your comments in post 30 and we look forward to hearing your counter-responses.
30 Enrique
Feb 01st, 2015 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you believe this is 'pressure', then you seriously underestimate the British.
This could be another reason you are the laughing stock of the world.
Typical of your ridiculous Argentine Ego.
You lost and your country is failing. You are incapable of any 'pressure' what-so-ever.
Are you still grouchy about the pressure the UK applied by blocking the Gripen deal?
Where was your 'pressure' then?
The UK prevents you buying arms and you continue you to piss in the wind.
lol!
#38
Feb 01st, 2015 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'without Britians consent'
Just a small point, it's Britain not Britian.
The Chilean caw hasn´t the right to discuss matters referred to the involved parts, the Falklands Islands, the UK and the Argentina.....anyone else has the right to sign or speak about the issue....Better any other Gvt. waste thier efforts and tongue trying to develope their own countries, specialy the CELAC members, some of them very poors because their leaders lives taking care of problems of others instead take care the real problems of their own people.....mainly the red leftist Gvts., like ours in Chile wich iis leading us to poverty again as the used to do in the past....
Feb 01st, 2015 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To the whole world Gvts......look into your own business instead take care the problems of others....that way the world would be a better place...
@41
Feb 01st, 2015 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0' without Britians consent'
It is “ without Britains consent ”, just a small point.
The problem with idiots like Enrique is he believes the crap that comes out of the DictaKs and the Chavez of the world.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's a lost cause.
I feel sad that someone of his advanced years will go to the grave believing the delusional lies he espouses. It doesn't give much hope for his spawn.
And again more proof that Argentina gets poorer and dumber with every generation.
@30, 31. There is no 'international pressure'. There's only the unfortunate pressure in your skull. Just wait. One day it'll explode out through your ears. You want 'talks'? Ask the Islanders. Are you some sort of mutant? 2,932 is more than a 'handful'. With 1200 fully-armed British troops to back them up. Plus combat aircraft. Plus warships. And how is one 'isolated' with flights arriving from the UK all the time?
Feb 01st, 2015 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We're used to lots of things. Like how 1982 changed everything. I keep pointing this out. Nothing that took place between 1690 and 1982 is of ANY relevance. France, Spain, United Provinces, Uruguay, Jewett, Vernet, Mestivier, Pinedo, all irrelevant. DAY ONE is 14 June 1982. That's REALITY. Get used to it.
And, as I recall the report at the time, Timerman actually RAN out of our Foreign Secretary's office? Why? The British Foreign Secretary is entitled to have anyone he wants in his 'party'. Especially if, like Falkland Islanders, they are British citizens.
@34. Perhaps you don't understand the democratic ascendancy of England. But I see that it frightens you. It must be horrible for you at the moment. There was Fishface promising you wealth beyond your wildest dreams. Now you see how empty his promises were. Because the basis of that 'wealth' was gas and oil. That was at $110 per barrel. Now it's $55 per barrel. HALF, 50%, of the 'wealth' gone. And who do you scream to for help? Why don't you ask Wales or Northern Ireland for help? Or dig DEEP in your sporran? But I see you have MORE argie traits. Always the 'victim'. Perhaps, in part, it's due to all the 'reader comments' I read in various places. From ENGLISH people, who don't seem to think much of the scotch at the moment. Incidentally, @24, I didn't mention the scotch. Seems that the guilty flee where no man pursueth!
@37 Gordo1
Feb 01st, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One of the things that CELAC has committed themselves to, as you have shown above, mentioned at 2. is 'self-determination of peoples' - do they realise that this applies exclusively to NSGTs? Also doesn't matter how they try to spin it, the Falkland Islanders are 'a people'.
#34
Feb 01st, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Frightens me? What is there to be frightened about ? With twats like you bumming their chat with nothing to back it up except jingoistic rhetoric.
Democratic ascendancy of England. Do you have any more jokes.
Actually it is quite pleasant up here 400 miles away from head cases like you.
Has it escaped your notice that the fall in the oil prices affects what the Treasury receives in taxes. So England's share is even LESS !
#24
And, in time, we'll get rid of scotchland the same way.
So your brain is so addled that you don't know what you are posting .
At least we don't have Nazi traits like you do
By the way, I saw one of the RN's Vanguard subs. returning from patrol heading for Faslane. Hosted by SCOTLAND !!!!!!!
I presume you will wish to take these and the other RN Astute class subs. AND
nuclear arm dump when you get rid of us. I suggest the pool of London as a suitable base for the storage of the missiles...no loss if they go off accidently.
Before you post any more crap about squadrons of Tornados/Typhoons/Tank regiments rushing to the Falklands, read up about it. You have been reading too many WARLORD COMICS.
I await your tirade with indifference.
TWIMC
Feb 01st, 2015 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Mr. Enrique Massot so well puts it at (30)...:
“And so, little by little, international pressure builds up.”
Or, as I have said in here a couple of times in the past...:
“Yet another nail in the Engrish diplomatic coffin in the South Atlantic...”
You Anglos better get used to it...
To talk of Argentina's “legitimate” rights to the free Falkland Islands is sheer stupidity. Frankly, France, for instance, would have infinitely better rights to the island of Madagascar- among other solid examples!
Feb 01st, 2015 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Interestingly, the “under-represented” ScotNats (1.6m) are currently likely to hold the balance of power after the next election....or prop up the Ed Miliband Labour party.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not bad for a group so “under-represented”. massive TV coverage for a full year and the balance of power for a group with fewer voters than UKIP or the Greens.
Oh to be so “under-represented”.
International pressure on UK is nothing compared to the internal pressures building up in Argentina.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are going to need those nails for Argentine democracy....the end is near.
#50
Feb 01st, 2015 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have they less voters than UKIP ? I have not seen the figures.
#48
What pressure build up. Isn't it just the same shower saying the same platitudes and then forgetting it for another year ?
Give me a couple of examples for meaningful pressure applied to the UK in respect of the Falklands.
#50
On a subject which has nothing to do with Scotland per se , the same cabal of C. supporters have to jump on the bandwagon to air their anti Scottish feelings
If you wish to discuss Scottish politics or make snide remarks, at least wait until a suitable subject is posted in the Mercopress forum and then do so. At least we will know what the subject is about.
rotting roadkill. lol. Pay your debts.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And so little by little international pressure builds up
Feb 01st, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All Argentina is asking is to seat down and talk,
says,, 30 Enrique Massot
Good point, if it was true,
But the truth is far more dictorial and scary is it not,
Argentina, Invades and innocent friendly tiny miniscule islands,
Then she desecrates the place, abuses the people and threatens them,
The she lies to the world making out they are rescuing them from the British,
The UN tell them to leave, Argentina refuses
Britain, another tiny little island that so many ignorant brainwashed dictators laugh at
Until it comes to backing it up, Thus went over 8,000 miles, out manned , out gunned , out shipped , out planed, and whipped the floor with them , humiliating them,
After losing, they now decide to try humiliating and lying,
They then start to harass them, bully, threaten, isolate, blockade, intimidate, refuses to even acknowledge them,
As this has by and large Failed, they then try to get all their friends, organisations, on there side to intimidate them,
As this is also failing, they come up with the crap,
WE ONLY WANT TO TALK
Reply is,
SODDY OFFY.
.And all your supporters.
#54
Feb 01st, 2015 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AGREED !!!!
Think
Feb 01st, 2015 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is not a single nail nor indeed a coffin concerning the English (engrish) is the South Atlantic.
As I pointed out above, not a single country (including Argentina) has dared carry out a single act that has in any way hurt the UK, diplomatically or otherwise. Whilst Argentina has spent millions of your money jetting to various non-events spewing claptrap to irrelevant audiences...Britain has kept a dignified silence, safe in the knowledge that nothing will change.
The only British people that Argentina have had any impact on are the Islanders, who whilst being British, are certainly not English.
And the spite, lies, bullying and generally turd-like attitude of Argentines to the islanders has only one outcome...it toughens their resolve...the only people on the Planet who could actually give the sovereignty of the islands to Argentina, and all your actions are designed to piss them off.
It is entirely self defeating and not only nails downthe coffin any colonialist ambitions Argentina might have, but utterly cremates them.
@52
You were the one whittering on about Scotland, I just joined in. as per my note I think they've had more than enough press already. P.s. According to opinion polls (which ofcouse can be wrong) UKIP stand to get more votes than the entire Scottish electorate (let alone the 40% SNP voters) and still only get maybe 4-5 seats...
Ha ha ha
Feb 01st, 2015 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clarkson and Co are taking the mickey out of Argentina again. Is this going to last all series? I hope so.
Chuckle chuckle
So Argentina's friends pay lip service to Argentina. The world goes on, and the Falkland Islands remain British and Argentina remains a third world s***hole dictatorship.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Twinky poo… everthing you loosers have tried to steal our Falkland Islands has failed. Last time, in the end, your troops ran… .humiliating!
Feb 01st, 2015 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will continue to fail. Get used to it… .
Bahahahaha!
Geeeeeeee.......
Feb 01st, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ignorance of the Anglo Turnips is flabbergasting...
Now..., if you'll excuse me..., I have some work to do before lady Elinor & lord Dafydd arrive to me humble sied...
60 Think
Feb 01st, 2015 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who? Lady Elinor & Lord Dafyd? Sounds like you're creating some new sock puppets. I have to say that the care and effort you put into your sock puppets is commendable. I guess you've got nothing else to do.
Chuckle chuckle.
@60
Feb 01st, 2015 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignorance...Think
These are synonymous on the Mercopress boards.
Every single prediction, every single idea, every single comment....utterly utterly flawed.
Twink has wasted hours, days, months of research in his rabid hatred of the islanders...to achieve what?
The islands are unchanged and unaffected...but best still..Twink has confirmed the following:
In the Argentine National Archives it clearly and accurately depicts the exact events of 1833.
It clearly and accurately states exactly who was ordered off the Falklands by Captain Onslow.
It clearly and accurately states exactly how many there were, and when they arrived.
Doesn't it Think?
So, if ignorance meant “not knowing the truth”, then it might be forgivable.
But true ignorance (think style) is knowing the truth, but lying and snivelling about it.
There never was an usurption. The evidence is in the Argentine National Archives...and thanks to Think...this knowledge was passed to us!!,
:)
(61) Jo Bloggs
Feb 01st, 2015 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0150th anniversary fine visitors, you know...
@63
Feb 01st, 2015 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course! The Patagonian Welsh.
I must have been momentarily confused by the fact that it's called Latin America, and everybody speaks Spanish. (or Portuguese)
Anglo Turnip at (64)
Feb 01st, 2015 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope..., it's called Y Wladfa and, 150 years after they pledged allegiance to Argentina, their language, beliefs and traditions are as alive as ever...
http://www.patagonia150.org/en/patagonia-150-celebration
@65
Feb 01st, 2015 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good for them. Did they have a referendum before exercising their right of self-determination? Would you say they're a “people”, or just a “population”?
@30 Enrique
Feb 01st, 2015 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Don't forget that all Argentina is asking is to seat down and talk, which Britain has steadfastly refused.”
Do try harder and get your facts right.
Britain offered to talk to Timmerman recently and he refused to talk like the surrender monkey he is. If Britain offered talks they cannot have refused them.
Argentina will always refuse to talk to the UK-better get used to it.
“So it seems the handful of anguished defenders of this colonial remnant are a bit more isolated each day.”
Why are they isolated? Do they need anything from the idiots that suck up to Argentina?
You think an 8000 mile air connection isolates the lslands?
The Islands have not been isolated post 1982, better get used to it.
“Yes, the war was a setback for Argentina claims”
Not only that, it has helped to bury those false claims-as it made res 2065 null and void-better get used to it.
Think - Good luck for your 150th with the Welsh in Chubut. Big difference though is that those pioneros went there knowing it was Argentine territory
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0and had an agreement with the Govt to settle there and abide by Arg laws etc.
Of course keep their language as well, but I expect today few really speak it much outside close family? Some certainly did in 1982 as those who served in Falklands as conscripts etc were able to converse in Welsh with some of their Welsh Guards guards on the way back to Puerto Madryn after the surrender.
They volunteered freely to become Argentines and went to Argentine Lands.
That is the difference.
rotting roadkillians are a nation of serial deadbeats.
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've been on these boards for 2 years and athink has been claiming all that time that every announcement like this will have consequences and effects.
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0But in those 2 years, not a single thing has changed or advanced Argentina's way regarding the Falkland Islands.
Indeed, as he has “said in here a couple of times in the past...:
'Yet another nail in the Engrish diplomatic coffin in the South Atlantic...' ”
With so many nails you would think there would been a SLIGHT or NOTICEABLE effect.
So where is it?
“You Anglos better get used to it...”
Get used to what? Nothing changing? Nothing going Argentina's way?
I would have to say that everyone, including Argentineans, have definitely gotten used to this.
@70
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not quite the rosy picture that's being painted. The way Think & Co talk about the Patagonian Welsh is reminiscent of the way white South Africans used to talk about “our blecks”.
“But it was these productive and fertile lands that now attracted other nationalities to settle in Chubut and the colony’s Welsh identity began to be eroded. By 1915 the population of Chubut had grown to around 20,000, with approximately half of these being foreign immigrants.
The turn of the century also marked a change in attitude by the Argentine government who stepped in to impose direct rule on the colony. This brought the speaking of Welsh at local government level and in the schools to an abrupt end. The Welsh utopian dream of Michael D Jones appeared to be disintegrating.
Welsh however remained the language of the home and of the chapel, and despite the Spanish-only education system, the proud community survives to this day serving bara brith from Welsh tea houses, and celebrating their heritage at one of the many eisteddfodau.”
http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofWales/The-History-of-Patagonia/
@30:
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0As mentioned before, Britain has in the last few years, invited Argentina to discuss the dispute.
Part of the resolutions calling for a peaceful solution also insist that the interests of the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands be taken into account.
Argentina accepted, then backed out when the diplomat found out that a few Islanders would be present to represent those interests.
It cannot be denied that it is in fact Argentina who refuses to negotiate according to the resolutions, as such an event proves.
I should point out that the UN resolutions only call for a “peaceful solution”, not negotiation - such an outcome could just as easily be achieved if Argentina dropped their false claims to British territory.
The two fairest solutions are still available, and have not changed since the beginning of the dispute:
1) Argentina takes the case to the ICJ. Whoever loses *must* abide by that decision. (Argentina in the past has dismissed judgements against them as “null and void”, illegally of course)
2) Argentina drops their claim, and admits they've lied all along. Argentina then drops their opposition to the removal of the Falklands from the C24 list, and (optionally) apologises at the UN for selfishly pursuing a claim they knew was a lie for so long.
Those are the only two absolutely fair solutions, yet you refuse to take them.
@30 Enrique Massot,
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0What makes you think that we want to talk with you anyway?
You've got nothing that we want, we don't need you & quite a few of us don't even like you. And unless you change your attitude, we never will like you.
@45 Conqueror,
Stop stirring up the Scots.
You might end up driving them into the malvinista camp!
@48 Think,
Go back to sleep, Hågar.
And always remember that Argentina has NO RIGHTS in the Falklands.
Hope this helps.
#52
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I did not raise the subject but replied to C. You then jumped in, as usual, with your remarks.
Aw the gift to gie us to see oorselves as ithers see us, should be an Argentinian saying.
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Celac summit, INCLUDING COMMONWEALTH MEMEBERS, support Argentina's LEGITIMATE claims”
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
what have i told you severla times, you ignorant isleters?
even the commonwealth members think you are a bunch of squatters.
I predict, that one thousand years from now, argentina will still never have 'owned' the Falkland Islands.
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland Islands.
#76
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you tell us and the truth are strangers.
Oh dear Think, the EIRIK RAUDE platform is on its way to drill in the FALKLAND TERRITORIAL SEA
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably start drilling again in March
1st well Prospect ZEBEDEE
2nd well Prospect ISABEL DEEP
3rd well Prospect JAYNE EAST
4th well Prospect Not Falkland oil and gas well ( Noble energy well)
5th well Prospect HUMPBACK
6th well Prospect 2nd Noble well
Also they have options for more wells if needed.
Well Think how is the exploration of PUTA MUERTE going?
@76
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Check the wording Paulie. It says 'legitimate' claims and as Argentina has no 'legitimate' claims (or they would have taken them to the ICJ) then the whole vote was moot. Not to mention the fact that these self-same Commonwealth members voted, at the recent Commonwealth Conference, in favour of self-determination.
Also, please stop being offensive - it doesn't help your cause and your Mother would be very upset if she knew.
1. CELAC STRONG SUPPORT FOR ARGENTINA'S RIGHTS is unbeatable. Say whatever you like. This is a FACT. And reloaded!
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 02. Nothing in Mercopress on British rampant MILITARIZATION in the South Atlantic? Wow, what an omission. Read the Sunday Express to see that. What's the excuse this time? http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555469/Hundreds-of-British-troops-are-sent-to-the-Falklands-for-a-security-boost
@81
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The excuse this time might be the (alleged) purchase of Russian bombers, and the existence of a discredited Argentine government deep in the brown stuff and desperate for a distraction. Experience from last time and before tells us we can't be too careful in that neighbourhood.
It's official! rotting roadkill secures a top five (5) ranking in the Cato Institute's 2014 Misery Index!
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@81: “CELAC STRONG SUPPORT FOR ARGENTINA'S RIGHTS”
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As pointed out, they are supporting Argentina's “legitimate rights” regarding the Falklands. What you fail to understand is that a power attempting usurpation, Argentina *has* no legitimate rights over the Falklands.
The appropriate venue for altering that fact, if any, is the ICJ. The fact that Argentina refuses ICJ arbitration shows your government doesn't completely believe the Malvinas Lie.
“Nothing in Mercopress on British rampant MILITARIZATION in the South Atlantic?”
Why would there be?
It looks more like the military is using part of the Falklands to train a larger number of troops (likely with the permission of the Islanders). Hardly militarization.
Even if it were a permanent boost in forces, Argentina would have no right to complain.
Might I remind you that there have been two attempts by Argentina to usurp sovereignty of the Falklands from Britain, the most recent barely 30 years ago.
There were documents from that invasion, reported on here, implying the intent to forcibly evict several of the legitimate inhabitants of the Falkland Islands to the mainland, with the implied threat of their eventual *murder*, as the Junta were fond of doing then.
With that in mind, I'd say Argentina has no right to object to any of our self-defense measures aimed at forestalling a third usurpation. Measures that we, as the legitimate holders of sovereignty over the Falklands, have every right to take.
Regardless of the military numbers on the Falklands - they will take no offensive action unless first attacked. Much like in '82.
#82
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None of your business what we do on the Falklands. Argentina have shown themselves to be untrustworthy and liars in respect of the Falklands so we are just being prudent with an eye to history.
If we threaten to invade Argentina then you have a legitimate complaint.
@81
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this support for Argentina. The only support you need is financial as Argie is going down the tubes. I see that Capinhand has welcomed the UN discussing restructuring your debts, good luck with that. You of course realise that no government or fund managers are going to lend you money without a cast iron guarentee that you will pay the very high interest rates that you 3rd world countries will have to pay on your bonds. No doubt the EU, UK and the USA will more than likely block all the recommendations. If we lend you money we want it back with interest. Now if you know of any country that will lend you money without paying back please let us know as we would like to take up their kind offer.
@30 Enrique
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And so little by little international pressure builds up. Don't forget that all Argentina is asking is to seat down and talk, which Britain has steadfastly refused”.
International pressure ?? what does this CELAC resolution mean outside of S.America and the Caribbean ? Absolutely nothing. The CELAC does NOT represent the entire international community, but rather, a very small, insignificant part of it.
But let's get back to the possibility of Argentina and the UK sitting down to discuss it.... the UK is willing to support full self-determination, as the great majority of the FI population does....Argentina just “wants” the Falkland Islands, period. So, would Argentina accept self-determination as a result of the “talks”, or is “to sit down and talk” only acceptable to Argentina if it means giving the Islands to them, regardless of any historical fact ??
Reagan - Thatcher communication 4 November 1982
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Para 2
'Certainly, we will never alter our view that a people must ultimately determine their own future and certainly we mean this with regards to the people of the Falklands.' RR.
The legal view, and the president was well briefed, was crystal clear even in 1982.
Argies,
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you seem to be pushing for something you would surely lose and come to regret,
you seem to relish in the fact that you are now great friends with Russia and China
yet stupidly forget that they only want to use you and take your resources,
and leave the rest to you,
they have no intention of fighting for you, unlike you twats they are not stupid,
after Argentina is thus dismembered they will walk in and take the lot,
do not be to keen to be friend with the devil, unless you are willing to pay the price in blood,
and the Falkland's, will still be British..
@81
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“CELAC STRONG SUPPORT FOR ARGENTINA'S RIGHTS is unbeatable”
On the contrary, if Argentina had the balls to go to the ICJ that would 'beat 'support by people (CELAC) powerless to stop the Falkland Islanders enjoying their rights.
CELAC-another backslapping self appreciation society with as much effect as a feather on a hurricane.
rotting roadkill is a serial defaulter.
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alejo 81 - Good grief- UK Sunday papers write just about the same drivel as Argentine Sunday ones - did you not know that?
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I expect the truth to be:
1 - someone told the reporter the Infantry unit in the Islands is changing over - they do it every 4 months and have done for 30 years!!
2 - someone told the reporter there is a reinforcement exercise going on - they do one every year and have done for 30 years - its called practise!
3- someone told the reporter additional troops were going to the islands onn exercise - this has started since the end of Afghan and was well publicised- same number of permanent troops here but extras come for a couple of weeks or so at times to make use of the wide open spaces here for livefire group exercises etc etc. damn good infantry training areas here.
It will be one of those 3 and the naïve reporter invented the rest!
(92)Islander1
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be so modest...
It's an open secret that the extra division for operation “Die Another Day” have landed..., together with Mr. Bond, send by M to their evaluation center in them Islands...
;-)
The only 'legitimate' way for Argentina to 'take over' The Falkland Islands would be for an Arginetine population to breed its way to a voting majority. This may take a few generations of 'refugees' and economic migrants, but it could be done.
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0In just a few years Guatemala will have completed its dominance of Belize by using exactly this tactic.
Some say that the UK will suffer the same fate, but here the swamping of the 'indigenous' populations would be by globalisation - many, many countries and races. It has happened in the past and it will happen again.
The USA went the same way in the 19th century.
You do have to laugh at these Caribbean islands going to the Commonwealth annual gatherings and supporting the Falkland islands self-determination, then turning up at this banana republic convention and telling them what they want to hear also.
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What great comfort can Argentina take from from such duplicitous behaviour? The difference is that Argentina cares, we don't give a shit.
@94 Geoff
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your suggestion that :
“The only 'legitimate' way for Argentina to 'take over' The Falkland Islands would be for an Argentine population to breed its way to a voting majority. This may take a few generations of 'refugees' and economic migrants, but it could be done”,
is an interesting thought...........however, I would think that after a few generations of 'refugees', with their descendants having experimented a decent existence away from Argentina, it would be highly unlikely they would vote in favour of becoming part of the Argentine again........the only thing that wouldn't change, would be the unending, unfounded claims from Argentina ...
GeoffWard2
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're a complete idiot.
You obviously understand nothing about identity. Shallow doesn't even begin to describe your stupidity.
And even if identity did work that way, you totally ignore the economic and props write differential between the Falkland Islands and Argentina.
“In just a few years Guatemala will have completed its dominance of Belize by using exactly this tactic.”
What dominance? Belize is no closer to becoming part of Guatemala now than it has before. And what is the fate awaiting the UK? To which country will it become part of?
You take shallow understanding of issues and make facile arguments.
Identity is not fixed. And children do not always inheret the same identity as their parents. This is especially true of immigrants where the children born in the new country NEVER have an identical identity to their parents. Let alone grandchildren who rarely speak the same language any longer.
After all, how do you think Argentineans with names like a Timerman and Kirchner come to think of themselves as Argentinean and no the identity of their ancestor who emigrated there.
Actually Geoff talks a lot of sense. He is right about Belize and I fear he is also right about the UK. Argentina hasn't yet got any kind of foothold in the Falklands and Islanders would be well advised to keep it that way.
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(94) Mr. Geoff Ward
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must give (97) Skippy, the bush kangaroo, some credit on this one...
At (94) you pathetically abandon any Ferrierian epistemological empiricism you ever possessed in favour of some fawlty a priori reasoning and intuition...
Bacon (the Elder) wouldn't be proud...
;-)
@97 Skip,
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l don't think that GeoffWard2 is a “complete idiot”.
He makes a lot of sense.
Probably the main thing that has stopped Argentines attempting to emigrate “en masse” to the Falklands & vastly outvote the Falklanders, is that they don't want to live here!
Don't worry, they've thought of it.
That is one of their complaints, that they are not allowed to do so.
They want other Argentines to live here, but not they themselves.
(100) Helga Horrible
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope..., we don't want other Argentines to live there...
The Master-Plan is to create a Malvinas & Islas del
Atlántico Sur Marine Protected Area...
Like the Engrish did in Chagos..., you know..?
Just to protect mother nature...
Free of any alien species...
Argentina better kick you out then Stink....if we want the Southern cone free of “alien species”.
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You and 40 million other “ spics and deigos”.
So you first....then we follow...or are you just an ignorant hypocrit?
Great news, take note English in Malvinas.
Feb 04th, 2015 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fiji is to remove the UK's union jack from its flag, Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama has announced.
it was “time to dispense with the colonial symbols”.
Behold the Argentine education system in all its glory.
Feb 04th, 2015 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Fiji is to remove the UK's union jack from its flag”
Not only did Fiji get independence in 1970.
But it became a republic in 1987.
And they have been discussing changing the flag for TWO YEARS ALREADY.
And the UK hasn't stood in the way of any of those things happening.
So what should the “English in Falkland Islands” take note of exactly?
That not only could Fiji get independence but the UK didn't stop them from then becoming a republic nor will it stop them changing their flag.
Bahahaha and the best part of this? Which Marcos' severely retarded Argentinean education would even know this part.... until the military dictatorship dissolved the Great Council of Chiefs, Elzabeth II was considered its traditional queen or paramount chief. Even after the republic was created. That's how much they respected Her. That's how much you respect military dictatorships. Haha c
I hope Fiji does change its flag. One less flag that has similarities to my own.
Oh dear Marcos
Feb 04th, 2015 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shoot yourself in the foot again.
Fiji self determined independence, the UK didn't hand it it over to say Indonesia against the will of the Fijians.
You are extraordinarily stupid Marcos, because YOU want an empire and wish to colonise the Falklands, you cannot see that Britain doesn't.
If Britain did want an Empire, we'd still have one...unlike Spain and France there isnt a long list of lost “wars of Independence”...we gave our Empire back.
We would happily give the Falklands up to their rightful owner tomorrow....the islanders...but they need our help defending themselves from a bullying, corrupt, fascist neighbour.
@96 Jack
Feb 04th, 2015 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“however, I would think that after a few generations of 'refugees', with their descendants having experimented a decent existence away from Argentina, it would be highly unlikely they would vote in favour of becoming part of the Argentine again..”.
@100 Isolde
“Probably the main thing that has stopped Argentines attempting to emigrate “en masse” to the Falklands & vastly outvote the Falklanders, is that they don't want to live here!”
Both points=Exactly.
There are poms who come to the Islands and don't want to leave and some who call it a shithole and can't wait to get out.
Any Argentines emigrating to the Islands to claim them for Argentina are not going to stick it-therefore they will leave.
Any Argentines who come to the Islands and like living there are not going to vote for Argentine rule, they would vote for independence (if they did not like British rule as opposed to Falklander rule).
It is always the place that moulds the people, not the influence of people from elsewhere, who mould to the new country.
Argentina is too stupid to realise this basic fact.
@103
Great news, take note English in Malvinas.(Falkland Islands or Mendoza?)
Fiji is to remove the UK's union jack from its flag, Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama has announced.
So does this mean the Falkland Islanders should take note that the Hawaiian flag incorporates the Union Jack even though Hawaii is not British?
Marcos, the Islanders may even take note that the Union Jack is on their flag too.
“it was “time to dispense with the colonial symbols”
Take note Marcos, the Falkland Islanders dispensed with the colonial symbol of the Argentine flag on 14th June 1982 or for the benefit of the Malvanistas here, 14th June H982.
The Argentines have a Master Plan but can they keep to it? Can they keep to anything? Their Democracy is looking a bit shaky and in a few years, once all the oil has been extracted and sent to market, they will even forget about the UK's Falkland Islands.
Feb 04th, 2015 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0#103
Feb 04th, 2015 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quote from Bainimarama
The existing flag is widely loved and admired and I want to stress that this initiative is in no way a repudiation of it or the warm sentiments we all feel whenever it is raised. It has served us well since it was introduced at Independence in 1970,”
As the Fijians used to be cannibals, for a flag I suggest a crossed knife and fork on a cooking pot on a blue background !
Like Australia and New Zealand, Fiji is an independent country and can choose whatever flag they want to represent them. I don't think that anyone in the UK cares whether the Union Flag is represented in any independent country's national flag or whether the Queen is regarded as their head of state.
As for Hawaii, the Union Flag was kept as part of their flag in recognition of Britain giving up it's protectorate and acknowledging Hawaii's independence under King Kamehameha I.
Don't forget, Think.
Feb 04th, 2015 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Helga is the boss.
Don't tell lies, Think.
lf ever you incompetent fools ever got your sticky fingers on the Falklands, you would plunder it unmercifully.
And the TRUE story about Diego Garcia has been explained on these pages ad nauseum. l'm not going to get into that discussion again.
Stop squirming, dahling.
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Oil exploration rig is leaving from Africa, should be drilling in Falklands waters by March https://www.flickr.com/photos/qeclasscarriers/16435396015/ …
And something for all to read, and its very interesting
George Osbourne’s big day out in Portsmouth
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What to do about the disappearing Royal Navy
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Dear Boeing… yours David
Dear Boeing Aircraft company,
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Is Britain prepared for the naval challenges of a new Cold War?
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@109
Feb 04th, 2015 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Top post Isolde!
:-)
Argentina is rocked by the biggest political scandal in a decade involving the state sponsore asasination of a senior member of the judiciary and all the trolls faithfully stick to the party line about the Malvinas and make a big thing about the usual “ we urge both parties to talk ” declarations over some insignificant windswept islands they will never set foot on .
Feb 04th, 2015 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very soon , cars will be cruising the streets of BA again , looking for opponents of the current regime to summarily arrest and torture , after all , who will go to court with a writ of habeas corpus , if judges and lawyers are being killed ?
It won't happen immmediately , but when they create a dynasty with Maximo as successor it will be a matter of days .
112. The roots of Fascism run deep and wide in Argentina. I hope you are wrong but Argentina has proved that it is not morally, ethically or smart enough to have Democracy as their form of Gov't.
Feb 04th, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has clearly failed and I don't see it getting better any time in the near future if ever.
It seems as though not many people are paying attention to their devastated economy. The numbers are bad and getting worse. I've said for a long time this next crash will be much worse than 2001, worse than any of the living Rgs have ever seen.
Then watch out.
They will revert to type and act like cornered animals snarling and biting anyone who comes near.
Wait and see.
Falkland Islands GDP per capita $35,400, Argentina GDP per capita $14,715.
Feb 04th, 2015 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No need to say any more.
114. That ARG GDP per capita is waaaaay off, that's with a 8.5/1 exchange rate and a 7 years for FAKE GDP growth.
Feb 04th, 2015 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try 1/2 of that number to be more accurate
Like many Commonwealth nations I support all legitimate claims of other nations.
Feb 04th, 2015 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina doesn't have any legitimate claims over the Falkland Islands.
When will Argentina realise that these are only diplomatic platitudes employed just to get them to just STFU!
Equally the UN wants a 'peaceful solution', which can be taken as “the staus quo is just fine, Argentina STFU”
The only ones in 'dispute' is the Argentines. No-one else.
Can't fix stupid.
(109) lsolde honey...
Feb 04th, 2015 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Helga the boss???
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Sistah, Did you see your idiotic Prez is taking after your racist ramblings against the Engrish except she's doing it against the Chinese. The only place the deadbeats of Arg can get a payday loan or meagher investment
Feb 04th, 2015 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She seems just about as stupid and racist as you and your ilk.
Mr. Think, feeling better today?
Feb 04th, 2015 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(119)
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Jajaja
Feb 04th, 2015 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha marcos. How are your claims coming along?
Feb 04th, 2015 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any difference in the status quo?
Any changes?
Any further progress in your illegitimate claims?
No?
Thought not.
Jog On troll. Your electricity is gonna fail again soon. Best you go get some candles. ...
Oh the Sistahs are in full force today.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Silly Rgs are too stupid to realize what's happening in their country.
They're like a dog with a squirrel or a monkey with a shiny object
easily distracted over nothing
@123
Feb 05th, 2015 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0so very true
The Chinese do not like to be insulted or racially belittled .
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those tweets went round the world and were picked up all the leading news organizations in minutes .
Kretina is a judge murdering racist .
Looking forward to the next couple of weeks as they try to apologize for that gaff .
@117Think,
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0My, my, m Think. You did put alot of effort in posting all those cartoons of poor hard-working, long suffering Helga.
l'm impressed.
lf thats the way that you treated your two previous wives, then no wonder that they left you! lol!
Clumsy flattery will get you no-where, Thinkus old chap.
A short film clip for our Malvinista /Camporista friends :
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0It involves everything they like :
1 ) Small , windwept islands in the Atlantic
2 ) Catholic priests
3 ) Casual racism towards the Chinese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtYfHW5wu8Q
Are you alright there , father ?
@ 122 ilsen
Feb 05th, 2015 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Best you go get some candles”
No candles available since the women bought them all as substitutes for you know what, the men being so effeminate.
Or at least that is what some of the argie 'men' look like in PdelE.
LOl....Nothing will change....Argentina so predictable...lies..and manipulation...Ohh well after all it is Argentina...!!
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure why Mercopenguin has decided to publish this article. This British government propaganda site understands full well that the UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years irrespective of the position of the British Commonwealth. So, this is a non story.
Feb 06th, 2015 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@130
Feb 06th, 2015 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0for how many years now have you been telling us:
“the UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years”
#130
Feb 06th, 2015 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually it should be 22 years if you are on course with your predictions. It may even be a race to see if Argentina survives 25 years.
We appreciate that you camporista trolls think that Argentina lies at the centre of the universe and that the whole world spends endless sleepless nights worrying about Argentina's claims to the Falklands but ,as I have said before , it simply isn't the case .
Feb 06th, 2015 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are over 120 territory disputes currently worldwide .
Some , like Russia's occupation of parts of the Ukraine , tend to get a lot more column inches in papers than the endless hot air over the Falklands . ISIL in the Middle East , Israel's occupation and settlement of disputed territories , the US's occupation of Guantanamo , separatism in Spain and Spain's claim on Gibraltar all rank as far more important topics for the UN to worry about .
But hey , carry on calling schools , highways , football tournaments , stadiums , chinese warships and old people's homes “ Islas Malvinas ”...
It won't put food on your tables , bring down the murder and other crime rates , improve the railways , stop starvation in Chaco , get rid of inflation or stop the floods .
But if it makes you happy , you carry on ......
@130:
Feb 06th, 2015 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years...”
Can't return what wasn't yours to begin with.
@130 Hippy
Feb 06th, 2015 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another non-sensical claim....whatever this site understands, or believes in, is totally irrelevant to what will, or not, happen in the future.
And still waiting for your comments on Gunatanamo Naval Base....or maybe I should consider an appropriate anwser from you, as being “I am not sure about anything...I just write any nonsense that might be occupying my mind at the time”...
@133
Feb 07th, 2015 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... I won't put food in our tables
You are so right that I feel like crying.
@130
Feb 07th, 2015 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ UK will be returning the Malvinas”
???????????The UK doesn't have a territory called the Malvinas.
It the UK returns the Malvinas, we'll immediately turn back into the 8th world economy, with absolutely no street crime and corruption. But brits are evil and since they envy us, they will do anything to see us fail.
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