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China to supply Argentina five “Malvinas Class” offshore patrol vessels
Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner is expected to sign agreements with China to increase military co-operation, including construction of new warships for the Argentine Navy, during her current state visit to Beijing, according to media reports and Jane's Defense Weekly. Read full article
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Feb 05th, 2015 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/26206155/?
Argentina's answer to that Sarah Palin woman......but not as bright.
Are they called the 'Malvinas class' because, if the deal goes sour as it probably will in the future, after much posturing and years of waiting, they'll still not get possession of them?
Feb 05th, 2015 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm
Feb 05th, 2015 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0wonder how they would go up against a type 45 RN Destroyer ?
Not very well I would reckon
Ooops!
Feb 05th, 2015 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-31142819
Maybe Think writes her tweets in Engrish for her.
Malvinas class.... in other words imaginary.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gotta love that Norinco quality. So shabby that it's hard to give away even in Africa.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I presume they're called th Malvinas class as that's where the wrecks will end up once sunk by the RN. I presume, also, that these will be filled with “Petloleum” as CFK so eloquently, and offensively, tweeted. Racist cow.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas class costs $50 million to buy.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0With that amount of investment you get a kayak with a peashooter
Someone should tell CFK that when you're a beggar and you are crawling to a bigger, better and more prosperous country for handouts then the last thing you do is insult them.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse +1And the Chinese don't like people disrespecting them. I wonder if these 'contracts' will actually go through now. Or, indeed how the Chinese will get their revenge in order to save face.
But this tweet shows more evidently than anything else the institutional racism at every level of Argentine society. They think it's just a light hearted joke, honest! But what it covers is something far darker and deeper in Argentina's psyche. The fact that they believe that they are better than the Chinese (despite all evidence to the contrary) because they are white.
If this gets into main stream Chinese media, then there will probably be demonstrations against Argentina. Chinese people are very patriotic, especially when it comes down to a foreigner trying to make fun of them.
The fact that it was Argentina's President making these comments is even worse. She is showing, not only her ingrained racism, but her lack of judgement too.
As for these so-called 'Malvinas' class patrol boats, well I won't be losing sleep over them for these reasons:
1. Argentina talks big about buying new military stuff but somehow it never actually happens.
2. It's telling that they've had to go with the Chinese option, given that they're not the best ship builders in the world, most of their designs are actually stolen from the Russians (who aren't too happy about it), and their shipbuilders just don't understand how to build military ships properly. They've had to try the Chinese option because they couldn't afford to buy off countries that can build military hardware, or would have it blocked by the British because it would utilise British technology.
3. Given Argentina's record on actually looking after its military hardware these patrol boats will probably end up rusting in dock within 5 years.
No worries.
Perhaps Mr Obama will now wake up to the threat that China and Russia now present to Americas soft underbelly. Time to get off the fence and recognise UK's sovereignty over Falkland Islands. The Russian planes are rubbish but the Chinese ships will be a challenge.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0The steel is cut on these beauties this year, 13 of them. I know which one I would rather have.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/the-equipment/ships/future-ships/type-26
@10 Englander
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think the Chinese ships will be a challenge at present.
The Chinese stole all the plans of military vessels from Russia. The problem is that their designers and their ship builders don't truly understand how to build them.
They sort of put them together exactly as the design shows (the Chinese are famous for being able to produce copies - mostly of an inferior kind) but don't understand how or why, the fine details that will never be on the plans.
But with trial and error the Chinese will probably improve their capabilities no end.
I also agree that it's time the US woke up to the fact that their 'traditional' enemies are making inroads into their own backyard. More worryingly is because the US still classes Argentina as a non-NATO ally! This is despite the cozying up that Argentina has done to Iran, Russia and China.
As for the Falklands, I'm not too worried about the patrol size craft, but I would be far more worried if they start going for larger vessels, such as destroyers, frigates and aircraft carriers.
Now that would be a worry. On the other hand it would also give the UK a really good excuse to up the military garrison on the Falklands. Better antiaircraft defences. Better aircraft. Better anti-surface vessel defences. And perhaps a submarine in the area, too.
I mean we have 20,000 troops that will be leaving Germany in the next 5-10 years. Surely some of them, with the permission of the Falkland Islands Government, could be stationed on the Falkland Islands? An infantry regiment, an artillery regiment and perhaps an armoured regiment.
They could do 1-2 year tours and rotate through.
It's certainly worth thinking about.
After her insults to her Chinese hosts , they may have second thoughts .
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a dumb cow .
The really amusing part of the story above is this:
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Over the last decade Argentina has considered purchasing designs from Brazil, Germany, and Spain”
The word 'considered' should be replaced with 'tried & failed' to purchase. If they are going with the Chinese option it is because they have no other option, not because they necessarily want to.
Militarization? The South Atlantic?...what?
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0So have I understood this right, China will accept soy and beef and ' lice and petloleum' in exchange for war ships.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0It just sounds a bit too good to be true, what else has she offered them, a military base in south america?
We only need to park a sub at The Horn and the rest is history, of course if there is a boom boom boom, is it our sub or someone elses ?
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0And they have the cheek to accuse Britain of “militarizing the South Atlantic” when we send troops to defend our sovereign territory.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hypocrites.
The Point Is that China requires an evolutionary step into South America; She thinks in Decades. CFK or any other world leader is just for now...mere stepping stones....not forever; and “forever” is what China envisages. She always has.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is one of many strategic moves; not just counting the importance of the Falkland Islands. The doors are kept open by these backwards-and-forwards negotiations. The opportunist often wins over the corrupt and disorganised, or the economically weak.
It contributes little to have no-brainer warship games; ducks in the bath mentality.
Hypocrites, they have always been waiting for us to pull out troops so they can just walk in, all I can say is, that is not going to happen.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The best thing to do is hand over the islands to Argentina. In peace. No one here is an enemy of the English. America just want what belongs to America.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Peaceful coexistence when a piece of America is robbed of Americans is impossible.
This is SOOOO funny!
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0‘Malvinas Class corvettes aka as ‘moving targets’ for the RN subs to practice on. No wonder they need a towed sonar array, not that it will help them.
AND they are going to land 10 tonne Sea Kings on them: two targets with one torpedo!
AND, ONLY USD 50 M each; not that the argies have that. I wonder if the krauts will arrest them when they arrive (if ever) due to the Chin pirating the design of the engines?
Amphibious APC’s. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Is this so they can reach the islands without going onto an argie ship? Oh, the absolute laugh a minute the argies must cause in the HQ of the Chin military. 21 tonnes and it has a 105mm cannon! Oh, I see a get out here: it will be the 105 Chin version not the US / UK round, any money you like.
Anyway, nothing will happen so no need to bother the islanders with this nonsense.
@4 It is not unknown in South American 'vulgar' Spanish for 'r' to replace 'l', a grammar book I have notes 'sordado' for 'soldado' (soldier) as an example. And cognate words in Portuguese do the same 'praia' for 'playa' (beach) etc. So really this is nothing be worried about, the Chinese will be 'delighted' to receive 'lice' from CFK ;-), worse things have happened under Mao.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Room 101 is correct. The Chinese think in decades if not centuries. As I have posted before and been ridiculed the Chinese are still patiently waiting their revenge for the humiliation of the Opium wars. The grand master plan is the eventual takeover of Taiwan, the Spratly Islands and to usurp the U.S. navy as the
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sole power and controller of the Pacific trade roots. The fact that the U.S. is allowing a strategically important country like Argentina to slip into the Chinese sphere of influence is disturbing.
It's interesting that these proposed vessels (because let's face it until they're actually in Argentina no-one is going to believe that they're really going there, going on their past record) have the designation P18A.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Type 056 corvette is moderately well equipped as the Chinese use them, however the export versions (designated P[number][country letter] are far less formidable, they're basically gunships.
The price comparison with the Nigerian ships NNS Centenary and NNS Unity is also interesting - if they cost $42m in 2012 to ship to a country with a credit rating in the higher end of speculative who are on good terms with lots of other potential suppliers (i.e. a buyer's market) then what will the Chinese allow above the P18N (or remove from the P18N) to get to the P18A, given that Argentina is about as creditworthy as the ships that they build are seaworthy and they've honked off just about every other potential supplier (i.e. a seller's market for anyone willing to take the risk).
@23 : The rest of the world has done away with casual racism , especially at government leader level . You might try to laugh this off , but the Chinese won't .
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@24 : You are absolutely right . All the trade agreements being signed between Argentina and the Chinese are for 50 years , ie x 10 presidential terms .When they read and dislike the small print and try to worm out of the agreements , tha's when the fun will start .
@12. I don't see these Chinese boats being a challenge ever.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Someone's decide to call them offshore patrol vessels. In PLAN (Peoples Liberation Army Navy), they are the Type 056 corvette, but altered for export. It's also referred to as a stealth missile corvette. Take a look at its hull and superstructure. See anything 'stealthy'? The Type 056 is said to be of a modular design to accommodate different features depending on export requirements. The OPV version has a higher bridge and there goes stealth. Just to cover comparisons with a British Type 45 destroyer, the Type 45 IS stealthy, it has twice the range, its main gun is twice the size, it carries twice as many anti-ship missiles, SIX times as many anti-air missiles, it's at least 2 knots faster and its displacement is SIX times greater. Meaning that it could probably ram straight through an argie OPV.
Incidentally, the Type 056 is a bodged-up 80s design.
Its an opv the argentine navy cant afford or need high end warships they will only skulk in a harbour if it comes to a fight.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One word,
Feb 05th, 2015 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WAR,
One outcome
Argentina will lose
cost=thousands of lives, millions of cash, break up of Argentina forever,
results = China will come out ok, The uk will come out bruised but ok
The Falkland's will still be British, Argentina will be no more,
Spain [yes Spain] will certainly think twice,
preventable=yes-don't start something you wont be around to finish,
last word,
Peace.
Argentina is entitled to have a navy and acquire new vessels. If they sail them on their actual territorial waters, the High seas and keep out of Falklands waters, no problems. If they start harassing UK/Falkland vessels then the proverbial will hit the fan...not to their advantage.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0every time Argentina buys a bullet someone on mercopress has a little sht fit.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bwaah lets see that bullet destroy a type 45, Chinese conspiracy etc etc.
perhaps....just perhaps ... Arg is upgrading its military not as part of a plan to take the isles, but rather because thats what national militaries do from time to time - upgrade. (heaven forbid)
somewhere in the US, probably around Texas, theres an obese fellow sitting in a shack with a beige 90's computer tainted with gravy stains, he's wearing a stars and stripes xxl sports top and sporting a mullet, he's reading about GB's planned aircraft carriers and leaving comments about how the fifth fleet will fvck the Brits up if they ever try to re-invade the US and how those britfags dont stand a chance against the might of the us airforce anyway.
He is a kind of duplicate of some of the people on here, just with a different birthplace. Had he been born in GB he'd be on this very story now warning CFK about the SAS.
Keyboard generals worldwide normally have the same traits - enough wikipedia and forum knowledge of technical specifications to think they actually know jack sht and a well developed conspiracy theorist brain capable of simultaneously exaggerating what they want while remaining ignorant of reality. I count at least 5 such foil hatted individuals above.
@21
Feb 05th, 2015 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“America just want what belongs to America”
But not if it's a French colony on your doorstep?
@21 Brasileiro
Feb 05th, 2015 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0America belongs to the native Amerindians. The rest of you are colonial, imperialist squatters.
And where did all those colonial, imperialist squatters come from? Mostly Europe.
So if Europeans can 'occupy' the Americas, then the Europeans British can occupy the Falkland Islands. I mean you wouldn't want to be accused of double standards, would you?
As for these patrol vessels, whose worried? Even if Argentina did manage to actually get them (and pissing off the people who promised to sell them to you seems a strange way of going about it), knowing their record for actually being able to look after their own equipment, means they will all be unserviceable within 5 years.
This is just another 'media stunt' to placate the La Campora mob in Argentina.
Oh and a funny thought is that 3 of the ships are going to be 'co-built' in Argentina. Given the Argentine proclivity of stealing anything that isn't nailed down, then I would think that any money for the building of these vessels will conveniently disappear. Just like all the money did for their ice breaker, and the money to upgrade Aerolíneas Argentinas, puff disappeared into thin air (or rather someones off-shore bank account).
I hope the Chinese are braced for corruption like they've never seen before.
“As for these patrol vessels, whose worried?”
Feb 05th, 2015 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the armchair general nerds in here it seems.
How many of these articles have we seen over the last few year and they all just wishes and dreams of a delusional lithium addicted nutbag.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll believe it when I see them training in China.
Arg can't even buy the food imports they need now to survive.
Silly delusional nutbags.
For those who are mocking the Argentines for the cockup that their armed forces are, just remember that ours are being scaled back and having nearly completed projects like the Nimrods a few years back, scrapped due to nonsensical decision making by the govts. Think we should be spending our cash on maintaining or increasing troop levels, investing in new weapons and a new gen of aircraft (which we are trying to do).
Feb 05th, 2015 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean, who the hell decides to build aircraft carriers at a time where we won't have the jets for them, for the next 6-8years??? As well as the fact that there's been talk of selling one of them since we can't afford to run it? I don't want the UK to end up like a European equivalent of Argentina with its forces. Get rid of Trident (which we don't own), get manned surveillance aircraft which we don't really have, and sort the rest I've listed above.
mm i preffer one thousand times the american rather than the chinnese..
Feb 05th, 2015 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 Vestige
Feb 05th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yep, just a lot of froth again regarding Argentina's re-armament plans; like those other fantasy purchases, the reality will likely be something different or even nothing at all.
I don't have a problem with you re-arming, every nation has the right to a means to defend itself. The problem though lies with your nations rather nasty, nationalistic attitude to its neighbours (and even its own population) when it comes to new toys: if Nisman had have held back a while, he'd likely be having a single trip on one of them spanking new Chinese helicopters.
Even if they do get these larger patrol boats, they still need regular and relentless maintenance. The ocean with it's salt is a harbinger of death and destruction to all metal in it.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 01-I see where the Argentine navy would make a patrol, the vessel dies, they work on it for years (because of no money) and then try again. Now they may get several patrols before they place the vessels back into the old lineup of forget and rot.
2-You can give a moron the biggest gun in the world, but the fact remains he is still the biggest moron in the world. The Brit's navy far outmatches most any of the worlds navies. Argentina would need Big Papi to help them nonetheless. Argentina is all bark and no bite and eventually their barking is going to ruin their afternoon.
Captain Poppy
Feb 05th, 2015 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Big papi you mean the us ? if it is yes ..In my humble opinion they would help you not us .. russia probabbly.
The BRICS are forming a military pact. Argentina will likely be included.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@ 32 What's with the French colony? To my knowledge there is no territorial dispute with the French.
@ 33 The age of empires is over. The American population, be it any ethnicity, is American, not European.
@41
Feb 05th, 2015 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep dreaming Brazilnut and get that sea cleaned up you dirty buggars.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/31134429
@41
Feb 05th, 2015 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And where did the Americans come from? EUROPE.
@36
Feb 05th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are well out of date with your Nostrodamus rantings, the F35b will be on the deck of The Queen Elizabeth carriers in 3 years, 2018. Oh, it was also decided in September 2014 that we are keeping both carriers. Keep up to date old chap.
@31 Vestige
Feb 05th, 2015 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”every time Argentina buys a bullet someone on mercopress has a little sht fit.
bwaah lets see that bullet destroy a type 45, Chinese conspiracy etc etc.
perhaps....just perhaps ... Arg is upgrading its military not as part of a plan to take the isles, but rather because thats what national militaries do from time to time - upgrade. (heaven forbid)”
Absolutely, but then we're all not in positions of authority.
Can you not remember how far and fast the toys were being thrown out of the pram in Casa Rosada the first time a Type 45 was assigned to Atlantic Patrol Tasking South?
@31. But then argieland likes to threaten. Remember Putrid Jelly? Argieland would invade and conquer the Islands again, but for the British garrison? Except that Britain would likely destroy argieland. UK nuclear warheads are dialable. Imagine a 100-kiloton warhead on Buenos Aires. That's nearly SEVEN times the Hiroshima bomb. Quit thinking your pals have any power.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36. Where do you get your stuff? The pub or the wine bar?
If you were to take the time to do some research, you'd find that a standard land-based Typhoon can take off from a Queen Elizabeth class carrier. And Eurofighter GmbH has a naval variant on the drawing board. The latest 'talk', for those that pay attention, is that both Queen Elizabeth class carriers will enter service. The UK has manned surveillance aircraft; thanks. Try Sentry, Sentinel and Airseeker/Rivet Joint. Trident is essential and the number of Successor class submarines should be increased to six.
@41. Good news! Watch what we can wipe out.
@46 Chemical weapon is prohibited, as well as weapons of mass destruction. It seems that these guys do not know the Geneva Convention.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxRDSB7rPnQ
hahaha
Chinese / Argentine corvette v £1 billion new nuclear attack submarines.... Hmm, I wonder who'll win. The Type 45's and planned Type 26's could both shoot anti ship missiles out of the sky so not much use if they got past the air cover from HMS Queen Elizabeth to launch them. I guess they'd just have to return to base... oh what's that you say their base has been destroyed by sub launched cruise missiles?!
Feb 05th, 2015 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#47
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You show us a video of a little transport aircraft...HOW SCARY !
Nuclear weapons are prohibited ? Where does it say this.
You had better write to China, Russia, Pakistan, India, Israel, N.Korea, France and the UK AND TELL THEM THIS NEWS HOT OFF THE PRESS !
Did you find scary KC-390? Do not worry the KC-390 is just a harmless cargo plane.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should be concerned with the countries that have the ability to launch nuclear weapons anywhere in the world with pinpoint accuracy. Because the atomic bomb is no longer a secret.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ZOdUFsjFY
The South Atlantic is no panacea....covettes??? tow-sonar...why not get a destroyer.....what is she thinking? Actually, not thinking at all
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#47 Agree, a Corvette is no match for a Type 45....just remember what happened to us in Vietnam.....a multimillion dollar airplane against a 10$ bicycle...and we were getting shot down down in the process...
Vestige
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right, every time Argentina buys a bullet, we are scared....scared for you.
Because, if nothing else, believe this.
In 1982 we showed pity. We understood that Argentina was not a democracy, and the kids you sent to the islands to fight were not to blame, and the junta would fall.
But now you are electing these evil, corrupt scum. You are responsible for them.
So, if you were stupid enough to invade again...with these toys, or in any guise at all, there would be no pity again.
The retribution would be such that “Malvinas” would be banned for centuries, creating like Marcos or Brasilio would hide back under their rocks.
The islands belong to the islanders...leave them alone or else.
@24 Lucdeluc,
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0China does indeed have a long memory.
They haven't forgotten what happened in Nanking in 1937 either.
And who can blame them for not forgetting?
Thats why Japan is nervous!
@ 31 Vestige
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“every time Argentina buys a bullet”
They DON'T have any bullets.
They DON'T have any field gun shells in date either.
They DON'T have any ships that can take to the high seas either.
They DON'T have any 'rockets' that were supposed to be able to hit the islands with a 50% payload (Putridjelly, ha, ha, ha) OR any other rockets of any sort.
They DO have the most arrogant attitude of any people I have ever met and that IS saying something.
No, the argies are finished while you stick with Peronism. So carry on, we WANT you to keep going down the shitter.
Oh, by the way: what passes as a MBT is crap as well.
41. A military pact with failing nations? Okay.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're the only retard in the world still talking about the BRICs like they mean something.
Except India they're all failing and failing hard.
Silly monkey.
@ 55
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep dreaming ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynP6eHkiRks&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=47
@41 Brasiliero
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“@ 32 What's with the French colony? To my knowledge there is no territorial dispute with the French.
@ 33 The age of empires is over. The American population, be it any ethnicity, is American, not European.”
I don't want to shock you or anything, but if you look it up, you will find that the French are european.
In 1808 we invaded and conquered Cayenne. But we are not thieves and do not want what is not rightfully ours. With the fall of Napoleon and the liberation of Portugal, we return the Guiana to the France.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile in the Falkland Islands ...
LOl......I guess the Chinese need work orders to keep their ship yards working...Just how do they expect to get paid....?...Argentina the LOWEST credit rating on the planet..CCC....Go figure....lol....!
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile in the Falkland Islands they are enjoying the highest standard of living in Latin America and most of the world. Meanwhile in Brazil 21.4% of the population are living in extreme poverty.
Like Argentina you are just another rapist who is all upset because your victim has a very ferocious guard dog.
@60
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You liar! Extreme poverty in Brazil is 3.5% of the population.
http://www.pnud.org.br/ODM1.aspx
@61
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, those are Dilma figures, a bit like INDEC. Check the CIA factbook or even wikipedia. 21.4%
We may disagree on the semantics of extreme. 21.4%
You will have to forgive me if I don't quiver at your tour de force of Brazilian success.
You besides liar is also stubborn. UNDP is the same as the UN.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PNUD in Portuguese.
You are unreliable.
@63
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, don't let the truth get in the way of a lost cause. Do you live on the border with Argentina, you have inherited some dreadful genes?
Oh, you really do need to get all that poo out of the sea in Rio because the International Olympic Committee will be testing that water again soon and there not very happy at the moment and neither are the athletes. Chow.
You are misinformed. Together with the BBC. The nautical competitions will be held elsewhere.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think my genes are not perfect. Okay, I'm not part of the master race.
The master race always suffers with lies, stubbornness and ignorance?
@65
Feb 05th, 2015 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your fatal flaw is supporting Argentina in their indefensible and atrocious behaviour towards the people of the Falkland Islands. You don't need to belong to a master race to see that.
In my opinion the National States were made to provide good services and protect the interests of the people.
Feb 06th, 2015 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0America supports the Argentina not war.
As you said the islanders has one of the world's best living standards, so I do not think you are suffering much.
America meaning the USA absolutely doesn't support Argentina.
Feb 06th, 2015 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never will.
More make-believe from the CFK government.. of course it rather makes a mockery of their claims in front of the UN about “Militarizing the South Atlantic”.
Feb 06th, 2015 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0------
“”“”America supports the Argentina not war.“”“
America, if you mean the USA, does NOT support Argentina, it sits on the fence, something their current Presidente is excellent at.
But the idea that the USA supports Argentina over the Falklands is a flat out steaming pile of dog turds.
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I wonder what the rational people of Argentina think: to see their money pissed away into military equipment, when they claim they will never go back to war, their government is broke, utterly corrupt, self-serving and ignorant of the fact of basic foods even.. rampant inflation, debt-ridden..and yet ”here some stuff so we can get some military toys”.
Cant see it happening myself... no matter how many investigators she has shot.
@27 Sorry to dissapoint you Conq but T45's at present carry no anti ship missles
Feb 06th, 2015 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@58:
Feb 06th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”In 1808 we invaded and conquered Cayenne. But we are not thieves and do not want what is not rightfully ours (...) Meanwhile in the Falkland Islands ...”
Meanwhile in the Falkland Islands, the exact same can be said. Neither the legitimate holders of sovereignty (Britain) nor the legitimate inhabitants are thieves, nor do they claim what is not rightfully theirs.
That is an undisputable fact that Argentina and its allies seem hell-bent on suppressing. Such measures need to stop.
#70
Feb 06th, 2015 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Type 45 destroyer is armed with Sea Skua anti-ship missiles.
This supposed agreement will come to very little as the Argentine government will be radically different in 2016.
@70 & @72
Feb 06th, 2015 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was under the impression that four of the six T45s were going to be fitted with two of the quad Harpoon launchers that were taken off of the last of the T22 frigates? I think that HMS Duncan was the first to have them fitted.
I think Sea Skua is probably best described as a heavy anti-boat missile rather than an anti-ship missile - it's designed to be fired from helicopters so it has to be reasonably light, just to be practical to fly with (in fact the warhead (221kg) on a Harpoon is heavier than an entire Sea Skua (145kg)).
#73
Feb 06th, 2015 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are very correct, and the Harpoon which our Chilean navy uses is far more deadly, but the Skua has an operational history of inflicting heavy damages during use.
Saludos to a fellow navy expert!
Only four of the six will get the upgrade,
Feb 06th, 2015 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as for the other two,, ?
Given the sad history of the 'Malvinas' myth, naming a class of patrol boats 'Malvinas Class' is unfortunate!
Feb 07th, 2015 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if they will have any more luck than the ARA Malvinas / HMS Tiger Bay. Do they have anti missile defences? sitting ducks otherwise.
Feb 07th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://malvinasislasargentinas.blogspot.com.ar/2015/02/brasil-utilizara-el-nombre-islas.html
Feb 07th, 2015 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no comparison between one of these and either a Type 23 or the Type 45 and it would be unfair to compare them given the huge difference.
Feb 07th, 2015 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Type 45 costs 1bn each, these cost 50m and they are a different class of ship.
@74 - Chicureo.
I'm curious about the Harpoon statement. I've seen you mention the Chilean version of the Type 23 is superior to that of the British version several times over a long period bud.
They both use block 1 harpoon but the Chilean version is a later and slightly improved version. The extended range of the later version makes no real difference since if both ships were playing war games as both the Type 23 (British or Chilean)/45 aren't aren't easy to detect at range which leads me to sensor suites (I'm referencing Wiki)
The RN Type 23 has a sensor suite which is several generations ahead of that on the Chilean Type 23 so the RN type 23 would of fired its harpoon much earlier and this means a very large advantage in a ship vs ship battle with its improved ability to detect and fire its weapon.
A further example is the radar used on Type 23's is 9xx and the RN version has the 997 vs the 996 of the Chilean Navy. The 997 radar is more than 5 times more capable than the 996.
The continued development of the British version by the creators of the ship means that the mark 2 RN type 23 has some obvious advantages which isn't to take anything away from the original version which is still a highly capable warship. The Type 23 was in many ways a long way ahead of its time.
@41
Feb 07th, 2015 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“@ 32 What's with the French colony? To my knowledge there is no territorial dispute with the French”
According to you,“ America just want what belongs to America”
Since when has France been an American country?
Try searching for France around the area known as Europe-you might find it there.....
@50
”Do not worry the KC-390 is just a harmless cargo plane.”
You said it. the video you linked to demonstrates it has an extremely long take off run for a cargo plane, and its flaps did not deploy on landing.
I'm glad the RAF is getting Airbus A400-a much more capable transport aircraft. with a short take off run and flaps that work.....
#79 Xect
Feb 08th, 2015 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forgive me if I have given the impression to anyone that our Chilean Type 23's are superior to those currently in the Royal Navy.
We lovingly maintain and upgrade our vessels, but an older retired version obviously is not superior to your fleet. In my opinion, Chile has the best trained officers and sailors in Latin America, with a high level of morale which is critical in operating our assets to their full potential. Saying that, I pity anyone that wants to take on a Type 45.
Cheers!
Hi Chicureo.
Feb 08th, 2015 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I rate Chile as the most advanced and well sorted country in SA. It's a shame other countries in SA can't be a bit more like Chile, SA as a continent would certainly improve if that were the case. Chile is held back from developing and improving trade by one of its neighbours in particular.
As for the Type 23's the mk 1 23 is still a brilliant ship that is more sophisticated than most ships in her class.
:)
Agreed. Although I will not see it, the Type 26 should prove to be amazing.
Feb 08th, 2015 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile has continued to remain a careful and prudent buyer of effective weapons.
Our long standing alliance with the Royal Navy has proven to be invaluable.
81 Chicureo
Feb 10th, 2015 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0“In my opinion, Chile has the best trained officers and sailors in Latin America,”
Not opinion. Is True Fact.
:-)
You are so modest!
sweet!
xxoo
Ilsen
Feb 10th, 2015 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're making me blush...
...You know, there was a time when Argentina had the best South American navy and air force...
@78 : Malvinero : http://malvinasislasargentinas.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/brasil-y-chile-dieron-apoyo-la-armada.html
Feb 10th, 2015 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Solidarity , bro !
#86
Feb 10th, 2015 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I notice that on the site you quote, nobody seems to write or make any postings. Why is this. Is it because fairy stories need no comment ?
@87 : Because malvinistas do not like the truth to get in the way of a good fantasy or conspiracy .
Feb 11th, 2015 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if they will complain about the invasion by chinese troops that will be sent to protect the space station ?
Royal Navy ready to take action in S China Sea: UK minister
Feb 11th, 2015 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20150211000017
China's nationalistic Global Times meanwhile made a direct link between Hammond's remarks regarding its maritime interests to the agreement signed between Beijing and Buenos Aires
This agreement allows China to sell warships, armored personnel carriers and military aircraft to Argentina. China will also assist Argentine Navy to build a fleet of Malvinas-class corvettes, which could be considered a provocation to London, Global Times said
Philip Hammond,
the British foreign secretary, said in Singapore on Jan. 30 the nation's armed forces are ready to take action in the Asia-Pacific
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