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Argentina declassifies documents on disappearance of Swedish teenager in 1977
Argentina's foreign ministry is releasing 'secret documents' related to the kidnapping and disappearance of the Swedish teenager Dagmar Hagelin in 1977 during the last military dictatorship, and which at the time crated a longstanding serious diplomatic rift between the two countries. Read full article
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Feb 10th, 2015 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pay up.
CFK is deflecting.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aryentina (Pablo's spelling) - pay your debts!!
JUSTICE FOR NISMAN !!
This is exactly what the people of the Falkland islands were afraid of “being disappeared”.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina claims they now have nothing to do with the military dictatorship.
Yet they celebrate the illegal invasion of the peaceful Falklands Islands.
You either fully support the Junta and all it's actions, or you are appalled by it's human rights abuses.
I wonder if the Argentinian politicians just don't get it.
Argentina will forever be associated with human rights abuses until they admit EVERYTHING the Junta did was wrong.
Including invading the Falkland Islands.
Funny they should bring up events of 40 years ago , a bit like the garage full of Falcons being discovered a couple of years back .
Feb 10th, 2015 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have they found the killers of Nisman yet ?
15M Peronistas are NEVER wrong.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The simple reason for this is that they are incapable of determining right from wrong.
Argentina is doomed to fail while this is the case.
“However in repeated communications and telegrams the Argentine military Junta argued it had no knowledge of the case and discarded the testimonies of those who witnessed the kidnapping of Dagmar.”
Feb 10th, 2015 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sound familiar?
Argentina has never confronted its past. The death of Prosecutor Nisman proves that. They cant just 'declare' democracy and the sit back and think that all is forgiven and resolved and that they have rejoined the human race. It doesnt work like that.
Let's be reasonable. These crimes were committed by Arjuntina, a completely different country from present day Arjunteena.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0What ten things is Argieland famous for:-
Feb 10th, 2015 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Revolutions
2. Disappearing people
3. Rampant inflation and currency instability
4. Attacking neighbours
5. Cheating and lying (Maradona springs to mind)
6. Abject widespead poverty
7. Corrupt politicians, police and judiciary
8. Rigged elections
9. Beautiful landscapes, fine wines and beef.
10. Tango
Whats your list?
Smokescreen
Feb 10th, 2015 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about declassifying the last 15 years of the Secretary of Intelligence instead of events 40 years ago.....????
ooooops, didn’t think so
@7
Feb 10th, 2015 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that standard is valid for genocidal Britain (how many millions did you kill around the world since circa 1700?), surely it is also applicable to us
The British mentality: “oh, but those savages wanted to be civilized... we gave them tea pots and now they love us, even if we destroyed their culture and took their land”.
Whitewashing is a uniquely Anglo term. That word does not exist in any other language, and that's for a reason.
Tobi, but… you have to balance all that alongside our worldwide civilising influence. We killed very few compared to the Spanish, your forbears. You have practically wiped out the indiginous population in South America, its celebrated on your favorite item of currency. We dont celebrate genocide like you do. Its not a gray area. On the anniversary of the Magna Carta you should remember that England was the cradle of human rights.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way lechada de cal is the Spanish way of saying it. I believe you do that to your Adobe buildings or tin shacks in your case, to reflect the suns heat. Whitewashing isnt confined to the Anglo sphere, just look at all the whitewashing currently being enacted by your government?
Ah yes - the famous Argentine coward Astiz - very good at bumping off defenceless Swedish teenage girls but having sworn to die defending South Georgia, when those big, nasty Brits turned up surrendered without firing a shot........
Feb 10th, 2015 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10
Feb 10th, 2015 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as always you start on about Britain. The article is about Argentina and Sweden. Nothing to do with Britain whatsoever.
Why aren't you talking about the Japanese invading China. It has about as much relevance to this article.
You are a one-trick show pony. Nothing to contribute but your inferiority complex regarding these co-called 'Anglos'.
Argentina has never accepted its past, just wants to whitewash it away. Immature and weak as ever.
No change, just deflection from current problems.
Justice for Nisman!
Pay your debts!
Quell your colonial ambitions!
Accept that you are just a third-world nobody!
Learn some humilty!
Know that currently the world laughs at you!
@10
Feb 10th, 2015 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where would you be without the British Empire to exonerate you from everything?
@10. Slight difference. WE don't deny our history. Let's take a look at spanish argieland. 1833 - First Conquest of the Desert. Thousands killed, more thousands displaced. 1878 - Second Conquest of the Desert. The genocide Roca declared; 'Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages who destroy our wealth and prevent us from definitely occupying, in the name of law, progress and our own security, the richest and most fertile lands of the Republic.' Conveniently forgetting who the land belonged to!
Feb 10th, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Over the years, argieland attacked virtually everyone within reach. One slight mistake. It tried to take some British territory. It failed. No problem if it wanted to have a fight with other rebels. Mustn't forget that, legally, argieland was a spanish colony until 1858. Then it thought it could stand back and watch whilst its cultural and spiritual Vaterland won WW2, and took the opportunity to 'claim' British territory. Eventually, summoning up all its resolve, encouraged by the possible of the single British government vessel in the South Atlantic, argieland decided to attack British territories. It's worth noting that the attack alone is a war crime. There are video recordings of tens of thousands of argies celebrating in the streets that there 'farces', tens of thousands of them, had overwhelmed 80 Royal Marines and just over a thousand unarmed and peaceful civilians. But there was an error. Ten thousand British troops set sail with over 100 vessels and less than 30 combat aircraft. In short order the British aircraft have destroyed most of the argie air forces. Meanwhile, British troops are defeating argies on a daily basis. Until they run. Displaying its honour, argieland refuses to repatriate its war dead or accept the PoWs. 'Savages' is definitely the right word for you. Argie history. Think on, girlie!
@13 I think a British girl once made fun of his big feet and he can't get over it. He hates the British and ALL women; no exceptions (his words). He tries to get even here but it will never happen because it wasn't really his feet she was mocking.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Feb 10th, 2015 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That figures!
@16 Lol! Tobi is constantly admonished by his mummy and lurks in his bedroom sulking. He comes on here and gets verbal lashings from all tbe ladies. Women are so cruel… Waaaah!
Feb 10th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina declassifies documents on disappearance of Swedish teenager in 1977”
Feb 10th, 2015 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Swedish?
Dagmar Hagelin was born in BUENOS AIRES.
And you bunch of imbeciles from the islets trust in this 4th class newspaper?
Not a surprise.
The other crap these benny-hillbillies read, penguin news, is even worse.
and then they ask why the rest of the world consider them as a bunch ignorant, brainwashed and not too bright benny-hillbillies.
My list of flaws, to put it in an elegant manner would be:
Feb 10th, 2015 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 best Choripan
2most beautiful women (according to Robby Williams? best kept secret., argentine 3women.
4 vast majority of people on the right, are in denial when it comes to the “missing”
5 The government of Cristina Kirchner is a paradoxical populism. Speaks with the left hand over their hearts., steal with the right hand.
6 most of the judges are somehow corrupted or have unequivocal alliances
7 The trial that has been going on, on “Crimes against Humanity” in the province of TUCUMAN, where terrible acts of interrogation under torture, killings, bodies being dismembered (the mass graves were found) were committed by the military
the main Judge Daniel Bejas has pardoned at least one ex militar who used to be a COMANDO (navy seal) in Tucuman, who admitted in a letter that was presented to the Judge that “he had to killed, dismember and hide the bodies -who could not take, survive the interrogatories”. His words. This ex military who had been denied the visa several times, the entrance to the US, because of the cause “Crimes against humanity” Julio Cesar sarmiento is his name, told Judge Bejas, what was on the letter he wrote, it was all lies they made him write........and Bejas bought it, or was bought by sarmiento who is now a millionaire., and has several business in Tucumán.
6 Impunity, makes nests in Argentina.
7 the official party buys its allies with social plans who create more poverty
8 I had to leave my country because I was suffering threats in the middle of a democracy.
It's nice to see Daniella put on his pablo hat today.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Iam sorry about my writing mistakes, I do usually edit, but this time I forgot.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 pablo the Peronist
Feb 10th, 2015 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Swedish?
Dagmar Hagelin was born in BUENOS AIRES.
And you bunch of imbeciles from the islets trust in this 4th class newspaper?”
Well... that makes it alright then! “Born in BA” - so nobody should mind or remark that she was kidnapped, murdered, and possibly worse. I see.
Funny that you complain about is repeating the reports of your own media.
I suppose it is “unpatriotic” or “traitorous” for them to report on embarrassing crimes by the Argentine Government, carried out by Argentines against Argentines, or others ???
What a funny f*cked up world you live in!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/02/09/argentinas-free-press-is-in-grave-danger-book-review-of-tiempos-turbulentos/
Feb 10th, 2015 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The amount of such spending was once minor, and is now enormous. In 2000, it was $16 million, rising to $28 million in 2002. By 2007, the K had raised it to $326 million, then to $919 million in 2013. This figure does not include spending on Fútbol para todos (reported to be $1.28 billion in 2012, although the government does not disclose the amount).
The apathy and stupidity of the Avg Rg will be the demise of the country.
23 imbecile
Feb 10th, 2015 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are even more retarded than i expected.
not a surprise though.
all the information you publish in a newspaper is important, you knobhead.
so, it is important to know that she was argentinian, that her parents were argentinian, that she was kidnapped and murdered by astiz and other members of the gt3 3.2, and that astiz and other members of the navy were judged and jailed for this crime, you piece of crap.
now it is funny that an imbecile like you who adores churchill, thatcher, blair, camoron and other english war criminals, are in favour of the victims in this case.
of course nobody with a bit of a brain would trust you.
you bennyhillbilly. lol
Alfredo Astiz, once again.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A known War criminal, the one who as a naval officer, led the invasion and illegal militarization of the Falklands by Argentina, and the same criminal later found guilty of crimes against humanity.
Someone really to be proud of in Argentina. But he wasn't fooling the Swedes, any more than his criminal government was.
Nor is this deflection fooling anyone by the current gang of murderers and criminals.
rotting roadkill:
Feb 10th, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pay your debts.
Bahahahaha…
Feb 10th, 2015 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just noticed Clarkson and the Top Gear team have all got coffee mugs with Chilean flags on them!
Bahahahaha 170 countries are all getting it!
Tobi , Danny , Pablo and other trolling “deflectors” :
Feb 10th, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure all the Isleters and Anglos and yankees all get the message that the big bad soldiers and sailors had to go to prison for throwing your uncles and parents out of aeroplanes for being bomb throwing , kidnapping , torturing, Montonero and Marxist filth who killed thousands and were trying to overthrow A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT 40 years ago.....
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montoneros
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montoneros
What they don't understand , being simple foreigners and sheep farmers , etc is why shouldn't supposedly democratic civilian politicians be openly investigated and tried for similar allegations in the present time , especially if as they claim , they are innocent and have nothing to hide ?
Or are they just as bad as the militars (sic ) ?
25 Pablo ComfortBoy
Feb 10th, 2015 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's as I said
“
I suppose it is “unpatriotic” or “traitorous” for them to report on embarrassing crimes by the Argentine Government, carried out by Argentines against Argentines, or others ???”
That's it, isn't it?? You're embarrassed!!!
Argentines killing Argentines - “ don't report on it !! Don't repeat that!!”
So corrupt - no Rule of Law there!
How much do you have to pay, to have the cops come??
Ummm, come to think of it, how much do your new Masters pay, to make YOU come???
LOL p¥to !!
@25
Feb 10th, 2015 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul, according to the BA Herald Dagmar Hagelin was a Swedish citizen having inherited Swedish citizenship from her Father. That of course does not stop her having joint Swedish/Argentine citizenship. Just thought you would like to know.
I see you are being rude and offensive again - I am sure your Mother would be shocked and not a little sickened by your attitude.
Do you not understand how such an attitude makes any sensible points you may have seem irrelavent?
4 Usurping Pirate
Feb 10th, 2015 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Have they found the killers of Nisman yet ?'
I might as well post this here as elsewhere..
Whodunnit? I reckon the bloke that 'gave him the gun' dunnit.
Last to see him alive, gave him the gun etc...... seems he had been given notice by Nisman and was being fired as he was a slackarse.
We have a motive...
Remember you saw it here first!
31 Darragh
Feb 10th, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Do you not understand how such an attitude makes any sensible points you may have seem irrelavent?”
Did he make a point??
If he did, I sure do't know what it was.
The only thing he seemed to be saying was that we should not be concerned with this case,, because she was Argentine.
That makes no sense.
He criticises the media for saying she was Swedish - which she is.
Guess who's the imbecile !!
@31 : Being a nation of immigrants , almost every Argentine can claim some sort of dual nationality , Pablo is just being obtuse .
Feb 10th, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0During the dictatorship , in desperation many families tried to get their arrested terrorist relatives freed from illegal detention centres by invoking the help of their mother countries .
Sometimes it worked , but most times it didn't .
Dagmar Hagelin , who was at the very least on the periphery of the Montoneros ( she was on her way to a terrorist safe house to meet Norma Burgos , a known guerrilla ) was allegedly crippled in the shootout , and rather than hand her over in a wheelchair the Navy killed her , or she died of the gunshot wounds sustained there .
We will never know .
@32 : You have a link , a name , some evidence ?
'secret documents'
Feb 10th, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now this is out, the leaks will become a torrent,
what next ?????????
@34 here you go..
Feb 10th, 2015 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/191148?
@36 : The argentine press is not reporting any of this , which means it could be the true story .
Feb 10th, 2015 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is there ever any good news to come out of Argentina?
Feb 10th, 2015 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0darragh / usurping pirate
Feb 10th, 2015 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 03/4 parts of the population of Argentina have dual nationalities.
BUT her main nationality, the one that really cares is the AR-GEN-TI-NIAN.
ARGENTINIAN like the islets.
GOT IT??
If 3/4 of the Arg population really had duel citizenship there'd be no one left in that sh*thole.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even begging in Spain or Italy they'd have a better life.
Troy did you know Pablo is the Chacarita Jr mascot? When they win they get in a circle around him and play ting around Pablo...
Feb 10th, 2015 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 Pablo : I am sure you are right , as she was being dragged away to be shot , Dagmar was probably feeling intensely proud of being more Argentine than Swedish .....
Feb 10th, 2015 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 : Every large Spanish , Italian and British city is full of Argentine ex pats .Anyone with any common sense has got out , or is planning to .
42. It goes to my Idiocracy theory about Argentina, every generation the smart and or ambitious ones leave so all that is left in the gene pool are lazy stupid ones to breed.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Makes sense huh...
@43
Feb 10th, 2015 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sounds like ever decreasing circles in that particular gene pool.
It's DOES makes sense though, I think you could be onto something there.
imbeciles
Feb 10th, 2015 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there are more british living here than argentines in the uk.
you bunch of squatters included.
and even worse, you can find millions of lazy, good for nothing english ex pats living in spain, italy, france, etc at the expense of their citizens, since they cannot stand that cesspit that is england.
@43 yankeeboy
Feb 10th, 2015 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the post @45 proves your theory to be correct.
41 42 43 44 46
Feb 10th, 2015 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not really worth the bother of responding to the load of codswallop @45
Chortle, poor Pablo PillowBoy!!
but what it is really funny is that these genetic errors talk about gene pool and stuff.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
they all are product of inbreeding.
not by chance they say:
england / falklands: tiny island, tiny genepool.
and here you have the product
http://damnmotivational.com/wp-content/uploads/England-%E2%80%93-Tiny-Island-%E2%80%93-Tiny-Gene-Pool.jpg
there are more british living here than argentines in the uk
Feb 11th, 2015 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0there you go then,
im surprised you aint demanded they leave,
or accuse them of Briticising Argentina...lol
Nice 'selfie' by paul-carrion @48.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0His idiotic statements @45 &@48 are not worthy of a proper reply.
Just idiocy. The only thing he excels at.
I think the most pure genepool in the world is Iceland and they're pretty smart and nice looking people.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 050 ilsen
Feb 11th, 2015 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why is it that everything the PillowBoy tourist 'Ambassador posts has a racist element to it???
As if i didnt know
:-D
“there are more british living here than argentines in the uk.”
Feb 11th, 2015 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0But the Europeans in Argentina are 98% retired pensioners. LOL!
Argentines flock to Peru, Bolivia and Paraguay to do shit jobs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y1Y6bTDAak
We British pensioners, a silver tide, welcomed in every latino country for our wealth propping up their sinking economies. They cant do without us! Hp sauce and Marmite Irn Bru and Newcastle Brown Ale.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahaha
The case of Dagmar Hagelin became better known because of her second nationality and the subsequent intervention of the Swedish government. Unfortunately, Dagmar was one among thousands of women and men, the large majority unarmed, who were kidnapped, submitted to atrocious tortures and eventually murdered without trial.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The military dreamed of erasing all traces of opposition for generations, and to that end they stole the babies of pregnant women they murdered.
To the Argentine people's credit, they failed.
It took time and effort for the country to begin dealing with the murderers, however trials beyond those of the Juntas finally began to take place thanks to Néstor Kirchner and Cristina Fernández.
Argentina, therefore, has began dealing with its past, and both presidents have earned a unique place in history, beyond the political ups and downs of the day.
55 Enricques
Feb 11th, 2015 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was a win - win for the K's - they look good to the people, while branding their opposition and critics as “sympathisers' or ”co-conspirators” of the Junta.
Meanwhile top military generals from the Junta Era and Falkland Invasion, were still in very influential positions, right up to 2009.
The K's have never given a damn about the people - they are just tools to be manipulated.
You are one of their propagandists.
@55
Feb 11th, 2015 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you keep on lying ??
The objective of the military was to prevent a communist take over.... And they succeeded all exempt in making you, Henry boy take a dive into the River Plate…. Too bad
When Kirchner came to power in 2003 the Argentine military was only a shadow of the power they held during the cold war. It was very easy to look for some old scapegoats and throw into jail and please the left.
Nobody really ever cared about the disappeared.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/10/health/measles-illinois/index.html
Feb 11th, 2015 - 04:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Measles? What is that in Spanish??? I had to look it up I had never heard of it.... Sarampion. My grandmother used to tell me about it.
I live in a country where this does not exist. I googled it and the only reported modern cases where after the world cup in South Africa in 2010, obviously imported.
But this strange illness is raging rampant in the 1st world!
Add to that that Chikunguya, West Nile, Lyme disease and some other horrible hospital infection, what a bizarre and yucky place to live.
@37 Usurping Pirate
Feb 11th, 2015 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0this is where I go for my daily fix ...
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/Latin+America/South+America/Argentina
57 CD2
Feb 11th, 2015 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good call...
Enricques' K Propaganda is laughable ... !!!
Nostrils seems to have his own agenda - totally unrelated to anything the rest of us are discussing.
@60
Feb 11th, 2015 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah but Alas, you are not “discussing”. You are trolling. The “others”, your ilk, are also trolling.
Name one positive contribution you have made to “better” what you are here to discuss. One.
Pregnant pause.
Bated breath.
Nah, time's up. I could have given you eternity and you still would have failed, so let me spare you.
61 NOSTRILS
Feb 11th, 2015 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0WE are actually discussing this government's motives and actions regarding this young woman that disappeared.
YOU are TROLLING off topic about measles and Lyme disease.
No point engaging with you on that.
The story, about the disappearance of the Swedish teenager Dagmar Hagelin in 1977 reminds everybody of Argentina’s dirty war and the countries’ continuing descent into dereliction. So, true to form, the propaganda machine swings into action and the Muppets try and change the subject, deflect valid criticism, become abusive and generally stick their heads firmly into the dung heap that is Argentine propaganda.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Muppets doth protest too much, methinks.
@55 EM :
Feb 11th, 2015 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 01) “ The large majority unarmed ” :
They were mounting battalion sized attacks on army posts and took over 2/3rds of Tucuman FFS .....
2 ) “ who were kidnapped, submitted to atrocious tortures and eventually murdered without trial ”
: Very hard to hold trials when like now , the Montos and Erpistas were killing judges . PS Were Aramburu and larraburre given fair trials ?
3 ) “ It took time and effort for the country to begin dealing with the murderers, however trials beyond those of the Juntas finally began to take place thanks to Néstor Kirchner and Cristina Fernández.”
Errr... Why no trials of the Montos and Erpistas who killed innocent people in indiscriminate bombings , shootings and kidnappings and started the horror in the first place ?
No , they were promoted to the cabinet and made ambassadors instead .
The trials of the military were simply Soviet style show trials reminicent of the 1930's ( or even paris in the 1790's ) .
rubbish
Feb 11th, 2015 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0the incompetent fascists kidnapped the wrong teenage girl and tortured her to death to cover up the fact they shot her.
Showing once again the Bravery of the Argentine navy (with the exception of their pilots) the rest find an unarmed teenage girl a challenge and leave their mates comrades to die.
Argentine terrorists killed a few hundred the fascists killed 30000 if thats the cure I'd rather have the revoultion:(
some say, some documents contain secret future invasion plans and prisoner treatment re-education camps for the Falkland's,
Feb 11th, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0so they say..
@57
Feb 11th, 2015 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your military didn't save you from communism, they attempted to save you from an insurrection by left-wing Peronists. Along the way they destroyed your economy, lined their own pockets, gained a reputation for depravity only recently surpassed by ISIS, and led you into the stupidest war of the 20th century wherein they demonstrated their complete incompetence at their own alleged profession.
And at the end of it all, what did you end up with? Left-wing Peronists in power.
Left. Right. Left. Right. Whoops! Does that sound ominous? The physical tyranny of the right was only surpassed by the economic tyranny of the left - until now. Free speech is quelled with the media law and property is confiscated via the politics and now we' re going to start suiciding the opposition - the perronista K's have got total control. With the expropriation of public wealth for private gain we effectively have a monarchy ruling rotting roadkill.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hamas don’t be stupid, you know nothing of Argentine history you fool.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were Peronists who had being infiltrated by communists and Cuban secrete services. Cuba had long wished to implant in South America a platform to send communist movements elsewhere. ERP was not even peronist. You are completely clueless of what you are saying. Even in the early 1970s Peron was still in exile and was already grabbing his head as his movement had being snatched away.
They didn't destroy the economy; compared to what average populist civil governments did in Argentina you can say they were OK. The only bad thing they did was to nationalize private debt that the biggest businesses of Argentina had previously contracted.
Nestor Kirchner was not ideologically communist like his wife is, he was politically savvy and he knew that if he retook this issue up and pretended to be a Montonero he would get a small but very vocal sectors of the Argentina in 2003 by his side and have them look the other way to enable massive corruption that persists to this day.
And it worked for him like a Swiss watch. Have you ever seeing axel arg, Think, Enrique Massot, Danny Berger, Troll or any K even mention the corruption cases like Sueños compartidos, Ciccone scandal, the money trail of Lazaro Baez, the parallel embassy in Venezuela, the massive wealth increases of government officials, ??
@65 : Dagmar Hagelin was going to the house in Palomar of Norma Burgos , a known player and the wife of Carlos Caride , founder of the Montoneros .
Feb 11th, 2015 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dagmar and her mother were living with Edgardo Waisman , another active Montonero .
At the very least she was mixing in the wrong circles , at worst she was an active terrorist .
She may not have deserved to die , but neither did the thousands of victims of these marxist idiots who have simply airbrushed their crimes from history .
They award each other pensions for the murders they committed and deny any form of compensation to any of their victims , including the innocent bystanders blown up by bombs or caught in cross fire .
As with everything , there are two sides to every story .
The only good Marxist/Communist/Collectivist is a dead Marxist/Communist/Collectivist.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They didn't get enough of them in the 70s
That's why the country is such a mess now and always will be.
The desperately need an Arg Pinochet to fix this horrible place.
70.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Completely agree
@70 Well put.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@69 I almost totally agree with you except the part that the Junta did Ok economically. They didn't do Ok at all.
73.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think they inherited the situation that Ber Gelbard left them, Peron’s last minister and the effects of the Rodrigazo. Otherwise I don’t see anything too bad, they should have privatized YPF, Somisa, Aerolineas and the trains and everything else. It would have being much easier for them to do it rather than Menem 10 years later put up with the Unions taking the Lions share of the railway and airline companies, and governors like the Kirchners of YPF
@65 : And there we go with that “30,000 ” figure again ....
Feb 11th, 2015 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Viveza Montonera my friend .
This figure comes from people who claim that the Falkland Islands are the Malvinas , that one or both British aircraft carriers were sunk in the 1982 conflict , that 1000 gurkhas were killed and buried in unmarked graves , that the current inflation rate is 15% pa , that Kretina isn't enriching herself and that Lagomarsino killed Nisman .
I doubt that more than about 7500 disappeared , out of 2 terrorist armies numbering 30,000 .
Even CONADEP said it was 9000 .
Out of a population of 34 million at the time .
More people were killed in road accidents in the same period .
Mourn them , they weren't guilty of throwing bombs , kidnapping or shooting people , just bad driving
@74 Right there my fried. They could have done a lot of those things. But they didn't. They had no opposition at the time. They could have fixed it anyway they deemed right.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But they didn't because they were just as corrupt as the K mob now in power.
Pay your debts, rotting roadkill.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0does he have some resemblance to a young Kennedy...?
Feb 11th, 2015 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah. It's just the hair. Gary Hart. Or the U.S. soap star . . uh?
Feb 11th, 2015 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mmmm.lol
Feb 11th, 2015 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Totally missed this. He's a mashup between actor Gary Hart and Steve Carell of The Office.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seeing is believing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Collins_(actor)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Collins_(actor)
Sorry!
Paulidiot wrote: “Swedish? Dagmar Hagelin was born in BUENOS AIRES.”
Feb 12th, 2015 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0No matter where you are born, you have the nationality of your parents unless you change it yourself as an adult.
The human beings in Argentina are in no doubt, only Paulidiot is:
“Revelan archivos secretos de la desaparición de la sueca Dagmar Hagelin”
“de la ciudadana sueca de 17 años Dagmar Hagelin”
81'
Feb 12th, 2015 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0possibly..
#48
Feb 16th, 2015 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sixty plus millions is a tiny gene pool ? What does that make Argentina, France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Sweden ,Norway, Denmark, Peru, Venezuela, S.Africa etc. Their populations are less and have also less immigration.
Below,posted without comment.
Argentina: Ugly people strike back :-
I have been living in Buenos Aires for 5 months now and do not get what all the fuss is about. I really dont think the people are all that “beautiful” depending on how this is defined. Buenos Aires is a big mix of all sorts of looking people, and the only thing the people who are considered good looking have in common are fake blonde hair, fake boobs and botox. Turn on any TV channel and you'll see what I mean.
Lily, Lytham St Annes, England
#58 OUT -OF CONTROL
Have a look at the WHO statistics for Argentina. Not the disease free paradise you claim. Many diseases are passed on by human contact and can occur anywhere, For example Ebola although endemic to W.Africa could arrive in any country by an infected carrier...even by an Argentinian. Similarly influenza
Argentina has it's own endemic diseases carried by mosquitos, polluted water supplies etc. The human body carries some nasty pathogens REGARDLESS of where you live.
82 doggy crap
Feb 17th, 2015 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“No matter where you are born, you have the nationality of your parents unless you change it yourself as an adult.”
WOT??
WHO TOLD YOU THAT, YOU IMBECILE?
MERDOPRESS?
AND WHAT THE FUCK CAN YOU KNOW ABOUT ARGENTINE LEGISLATION ON THAT MATTER?
IF YOU ARE BORN IN ARGENTINA, THEN YOU ARE ARGENTINO, YOU RETARDED ISLETER.
AND HER FATHER WAS ALSO ARGENTINIAN POR ADOPCIÓN.
TRY TO COMMENT ONLY ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW: IE SHEEP SHAGGING
85 RentBoy
Feb 17th, 2015 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are SHOUTING, but what are you saying, if she was Argentine, its ok that she was murdered and tortured (not in that order, Pablo, in case you get confused) ???
If she was Argentine, are we “NOT ALLOWED” to comment on her murder, torture, rape (not in that order, I hope) ???
What is your point, or have you forgotten?
#85
Feb 17th, 2015 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I believe you said in one of your posts that 75% of Argentinians have dual nationality. Does that mean that you can choose which ever one you wish depending on current circumstances ?
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