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The New York Times: How Argentina ‘Suicides’ the Truth
By Uki Goñi - Political “suicides” are so common in Argentina that a special word has been invented for them. Ask different people in Buenos Aires today and they may disagree whether the crusading prosecutor Alberto Nisman was murdered or took his own life. But most everyone will concur that Mr. Nisman was “suicided,” the latest victim of a dark-power centrifuge that with sinister regularity spews out dead bodies in this divided nation. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“ but his death is dressed in the awed stupefaction of a Kennedy-level event.”
Feb 11th, 2015 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking of which... have the NorthAmoans solved that one yet?
(52 years... and counting)
They kill a sitting head of state, a president, the supposed assassin, and then a senator would-be brother, and these morons can't solve it??
Write about that New York Crimes. Mind your own business... or about your city soon becoming a glacier or something relevant and current.
Nasty Argentine history of assassination- the precedent set, I suppose CFK simply felt she is 'entitled' to get rid of the threatening and the “inconvenient ” .
Feb 11th, 2015 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1
Feb 11th, 2015 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The author of the article resides in Buenos Aires and is frequently published in The Guardian (respected UK left leaning major newspaper).
Just because he also writes for the NYT doesn't mean he is a New Yorker.
Not everyone is as parochial as you are.
Meanwhile, interesting insight from Kovadloff into the pervasive corruption that has never been eradicated from the Argentine Government.
On and on it continues. No wonder the people copy this behaviour.
The whole society is infected.
Only extreme conspiracy theorists think it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald who shot JFK. Case Closed. Now, back to Nisman....
Feb 11th, 2015 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now I know why so many Argentineans like Nostrils, Dany, Think etc tow the government line in such a slavish fashion.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0They don't want to be suicided.
Hard to imagine being so scared of being killed by your own government. Especially if you manage to beat the odds regarding Argentina's extremely high murder rate.
@1 TTT, for someone who claims not to care about the world outside of Argentina, why are you so fixated on historic events there?
Feb 11th, 2015 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0This investigation is current and in Argentina.
Peronistas are like ticks that bury themselves into the flesh to drink the lifeblood of their host.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only way to get rid of these vermin is to kill them with pure alcohol, pull them from the body and make sure all the legs and jaw parts are also removed. Leave any bits in and you are certain of infection, which if left, may threaten the life of the host.
That is why Peronism will be exceedingly difficult to eradicate, I resist saying impossible because it can be done. Kill 50,000 of the top ones and lo and behold, the other 15M will be no more: cowards are like that.
Pay your debts.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 7 well pointed.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does Timmerman resemble an evil ET?
Feb 11th, 2015 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ but his death is dressed in the awed stupefaction of a Kennedy-level event.”
Feb 11th, 2015 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, not an actual Kennedy-level event. Just dressed up for the proles to dribble over in stupefacation then?
Peronism keeps just enough them stupified and slavish, therefore the whole country can never progess.
@1. Solved, thanks. Or do you read all those conspiracy theory blogs?
Feb 11th, 2015 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6. Perhaps TiT did it. Hypnopedia. It's easy to train a single brain cell.
@7. Why stop at 50,000? We should count up all those who can be considered war criminals from '82. And other members of the same species. We need to start at 15M. How many can we justify exterminating? 35M? 38M? More? How many are unnecessary?
@10. Do you mean one of the lizard people? Cold, scaly, slimy, slithery, venomous. I think of them as the TiT things!
Thank heaven for US. We can't be 'suicided'. We need a connection to the United Nations. Exposing the horrors of argieland.
I've said many times it is very dangerous to “investigate” the gov't in Argentina.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Especially if you are a reporter.
People opposing the gov't have a nasty habit of turning up dead or not at all.
....And that could never happen in the US
Feb 11th, 2015 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_%28journalist%29
anyway - how many WMD's found in Iraq to date ?
@14 Vestige
Feb 11th, 2015 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“anyway - how many WMD's found in Iraq to date ?”
Weak vestige, very weak.
and outright, laughable. Idiot!
Feb 11th, 2015 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 014. You re brain dead. How do you even type?
Feb 11th, 2015 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0okay you're right, Argentina is super shady while the US is squeaky clean.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK too - Dr David Kelly, MP Robin Cook, corpses of intel workers in zipped sportsbags. All a mis-understanding. Shady dealings are exclusive to Argentina.
18. Sistah, I am curious what is your association with Argentina or the Falklands?
Feb 11th, 2015 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about Princess Diana ? or Ladeedee as you all insist on calling her .
Feb 11th, 2015 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally, I think Menem killed her and Dodie because he was jealous .
She had flirted with his son Carlitos , and he had him killed too , for the same reason .
@18
Feb 11th, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No vestige, the first world is not perfect, bad things, corruption etc happens here too. Its all about magnitudes and perspective though; Argentina is a quantum leap backwards in transparency and shows no sign of improving, junta or politico gangsters in charge, makes no difference.
As for David Kelly, his OWN family believe it was suicide. Besides, Kelly was no Nisman.
You need a better deflect.
I love how Vestige (and the rest) always being up the same past crimes/problems/issues everything Argentina has a NEW one. They can't move their reference point.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WMD? 2003? Saddam bluffed and lost.
Davis Kelly? 2003? If he was murdered, what did it conceal? NOTHING!
Robin Cook? Died in 2005 of a heart attack and his bloody wife was there!
Honestly it's 2015 and people have to go back 10-12 years to try and deflect.
Nisman was suicided in 2015 just like Assange and Snowden....... hang on a minute! Well that throws a spanner in the deflection works.
One can only assume the K supporters posting here are glad Nisman was murdered. They seem to care not one jot that an Argentine man died.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rotting roadkill:
Feb 11th, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pay your debts.
Stop talking about retreiving the Malvinas. Invade or shut up.
Stop speculating about Nisman's cause of death. Announce the defendant, the guilty veridct and execute the sentence. We all KNOW that its already been scripted.
Begin a national program of exercise for kowtowing so you won't disappoint your new chinese overlords and masters.
Begin construction of the royal palace for the ascension of prince maximo.
ElaineB
Feb 11th, 2015 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- the most glaring point - overlooked by the Trolls
Argentina is monotonous.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#3 Ilsen, the NYT's is a fairly well respected paper, but also somewhat left leaning. However, and I suppose this applies in London as well as here, left in the USA is far away from what left is in Argentina and South America.
Feb 12th, 2015 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The article is only stating the obvious and what all know, save for the indoctrinated. Peronsim, Kirchnerism, the alleged democracy aka dictocracy in Argentina has become what the claim to have fought against from the Junta's. This is not democracy in it's infancy trying to make it to the toddler years, this is the birth of a mafioso nation.
Son of a brit!
Feb 12th, 2015 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0These people don't quit with their trolling and whinging about a country they have no dealings with!
@27 Dear Poppy.
Feb 12th, 2015 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK 'left' would be considered very left-wing in the USA, but not so far off the cliff as in Lat-AM.
However, I was just pointing out that Tobi was telling the journalist to 'shut-up and only talk about NYC'. Tobi was insinuiating that the author had no knowledge of Argentina and the subject matter was outside his remit. He wished to discredit the journalist but just made himself look stoopid again. I merely brought attention to this.
:-)
My point about The Guardian was in order to pre-empt any comments about 'right-wing imperialism, shoddy tabloids etc.'
Which worked quite well.
”Uki Goñi (born 1953) is an Argentine author who is principally known for his work documenting the escape of Nazi war criminals from Europe. Goñi's research studies the role of the Vatican, Swiss authorities and the government of Argentina in organizing 'ratline', escape routes for fugitive criminals and collaborators....Since 1975, he has lived in Buenos Aires, Argentina. “
Tobi says ”Write about that New York Crimes. Mind your own business... or about your city soon becoming a glacier or something relevant and current.”
Tobi claims superior intellect.
Make your own mind up.
(because Tobi isn't allowed to!) lol
:-)))))))))))))
Mudslinging time (enjoy it, it's free):
Feb 12th, 2015 - 04:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It was in this context of corruption’s pervading every layer of political life that Mr. Nisman presented his explosive charges.”
“The countless hours of phone intercepts...revealed a conspiratorial underworld unlike anything a prosecutor had dared reveal before.”
I am dumbfounded that the NY Times would publish garbage such as this. Obviously, Uki Goñi decided to let in the dust the previous worst 0p-ed delivered by Jean-Paul Rathbone.
Goñi names two previous suspect suicides--one in 1953 and one in 2007--to support the idea this is recurrent in Argentina. (He missed citing a few suspect cases during Carlos Menem's presidency).
Rathbone and Goñi conveniently ignore that:
1. The wiretaps piled up ramblings of obscure characters but there is not a single conversation or direct link to those in government accused by Nisman.
2. Nisman's main accusation element--the cancellation of Interpol's international warrants against Iranian suspects--never happened.
3. Argentina was to exchange oil seeds and cereal against Iranian oil. Didn't happen.
4. Two individual Nisman named as Intelligence Services agents were not such.
Presenting Nisman's denunciation as solid is to feed a foregone conclusion: that the government needed Nisman dead. On the contrary, the government's interest was that Nisman spoke in Congress to explain in detail his accusation.
No matter. It's not a time to learn cold facts, especially if they interfere with quick and easy conclusions such as a “rogue state” or “the suicided.”
The North American and European left are barely to the left of Franco. The North American and European right are well clear right of Mr. Adolf.
Feb 12th, 2015 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0And yes the New York Crimes, and the Telegaff, etc, should mind their own business. Proof once again of the utter criminal hypocrisy of the specimens on the loose here, they would be objurgating and flaying La Nacion or Clarin if THEY wrote pieces critical of the UK, US, etc.
Enrique Massot, as childish as ever, writes:
Feb 12th, 2015 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“1. The wiretaps piled up ramblings of obscure characters but there is not a single conversation or direct link to those in government accused by Nisman.”
Where did you listen to them?
You didn't.
So how do you know there are no links to the Argentine government?
You don't.
Enrique Massot, as childish as ever, caught with his pants down, defecating what's left of his brains - all 3 neurons lost.
Enrique would have to have intimate access to results of a very volatile and sensitive investigation, or he is simply lying.
Feb 12th, 2015 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0childishly naive of Señor Enriques
:-)
Ilsen tobi can't help himself, he's an angry and bitter self admitted crossed gendered SA who can't afford his surgery. He also has issues with freedom of speech. For some strange reason he thinks yelling at posters here and telling them they can't do this and can't do that....that they will listen or obey him. What's even stranger is he is NOT even living in Argentina.
Feb 12th, 2015 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pagina boi did you ever ID that building and street in Mendoza where the farmers marched in protest last month?.....NO
Ever find a location, restaurant or any public store and describe ths inside at the door entrance to the immediate left or right?.....NO
Why some ask.......because you are no where geographically near Argentina.......go tweet on twit you twat.
Those who fail to criticize their governmental leaders are not but sheep in the pen at the slaughter house. In Argentina both figuratively and literally. However these guys are foreign paid trolls.
#32 and #33
Feb 12th, 2015 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will admit I did not listen to all wiretap recordings. I did listen to what the Clarín newspaper offered its readers as the hottest parts of those recordings. Those were of no interest whatsoever, a shame really. I trust Clarín enough to bring the smoking gun if there ever was one.
My comment did not conclude on anything, because the justice is still working on the Nisman case but rather addressed an op-ed that has already designated the guilty parts ahead of any legal ruling.
If misters Doggy Rap and Troy Tempest take offense and prefer to focus on the (debatable) brain capacity of this humble participant in the discussion instead of issues, that's to their credit (or detriment) depending on the optics.
Now, about points 2, 3 and 4...
What would happen in the normal world is that the government would get the benefit of doubt and that is what trolls here want as well. However, this is a government who's reputation precedes itself worldwide as lacking honor of it's word......or even written contracts. This country refuses to pays it's bill. Hell, it even takes pride in ignoring and refusing to honor international trade agreements. It really is an alter dimension world were deceit and dishonor is worn like a badge with pride. Sure.......the world will give Argentina the benefit of doubt.........when Cuntlips Kirchner commits suicide.
Feb 12th, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 Enriques
Feb 12th, 2015 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ng Nisman's denunciation as solid is to feed a foregone conclusion: that the government needed Nisman dead. On the contrary, the government's interest was that Nisman spoke in Congress to explain in detail his accusation.”
Hardly in the “government's interest” to hear the truth behind the accusations.
CFK 'is' the Government, in this case, and Nisman was very clear that CFK and other government politicos were implicated - he was murdered just as he was to present evidence that was NOT in the government's interest to hear.
She and her gang have been indicted. How many suicides now?
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