MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands' reports on two Taiwanese jiggers man-overboard incidents
The Falkland Islands government has informed that there have been two separate man-overboard incidents reported this week concerning a total of nine crewmen from two Taiwanese fishing vessels. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI know why and where they went.....the Chinese New Year..It's the year of the Sheep...
Feb 21st, 2015 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands is famous for.....sheep....
Ironically it was the guys who complained about not being paid that strangely jumped overboard. I smell something fishy!
Feb 21st, 2015 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Slave work conditions on those ships is a direct consequence of illegal British exploitation of Argentinian natural resources.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I think the Falkland's are famous for being Argentina's last stand.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 MA
Feb 21st, 2015 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Prove your accusations, Withe facts, and links to this 'proof'.
Especially “ direct consequence of illegal British exploitation of Argentinian natural resources.”
a) “direct consequence ” please explain
b) “ illegal British exploitation of Argentinian natural resources.”
- please explain
Don't just make random statements, then run and hide.
“Argentinian natural resources” haaha! lol!
No. NOT yours. haha!
5 ilsen
Feb 21st, 2015 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Marcos” is by far the dimmest of the trolls - “4th rate” as Pablo PillowBoy says.
MA will only ever say something snide without substance, and then run away.
He needs to be called on it however. Otherwise he just contributes to the prolific disinformation of the propagandists.
5 ilsen
Feb 21st, 2015 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you blind or you don't want to see?
6
I never saw a puppet show. I never played with puppets or had any interest in them.
3 Marcos
Feb 21st, 2015 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ direct consequence of illegal British exploitation of Argentinian natural resources.”
a) “direct consequence ” please explain
b) “ illegal British exploitation of Argentinian natural resources.”
- please explain
Marcos - Please give just one example of the “British” exploitation of the Fisheries around the islands?
Feb 21st, 2015 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Who collects and receives licenses- port and harbour fees- transfer fees for operations carried out in harbours etc - etc?
2 - Who pays for all policing and offshore controls?
3.Who calls out and pays for Air Sea Rescue operations of fishing vessels in the area?
4.Which Govt is responsible for all legislation controlling the offshore zone?
Is it the British Govt in London?
or
Is it the Falkland Islands Govt in Stanley?
9 Islander
Feb 21st, 2015 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos has neither the will not the ability to explain his far fetched statements, nor answer questions in an intelligent manner.
7# “I never played with puppets or had any interest in them.”
Feb 21st, 2015 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's ok MA no need to protest innocence, people are broad minded on this blog!
Back on topic.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well done to the FIG for managing the problem without pointing fingers at others.
@7
Feb 21st, 2015 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, difficult when you are actually one of the puppets. ;)
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsamu9towd.gif
@3. Actually, slave work conditions on those ships is
Feb 21st, 2015 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0(a) what they are used to; and
(b) the overbearing argie attitude that makes it think it can do what it likes, including halting vessels, conducting hours-long 'inspections' and making up 'offences', forcing vessels to take roundabout, overly expensive routes. Thus demonstrating yet more argie breaches of the UN Charter and international law.
it seems that fishing in the waters stolen by the english is very, very dangerous.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“RFIP Superintendent McGill said it was with “great sadness” that the search and rescue team could find no sign of the missing crewman.”
and what did you expect?
that these useless nabos can resolve something?
eh?
@15
Feb 21st, 2015 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the more reason to exclude Argentines from doing it. It's for their own good. ;)
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsamu9towd.gif
Well come on Marcos, where is your proof & explanation?
Feb 21st, 2015 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Admit it, you didn't know what say, so you had to just say something……anything, as long as it was anti-British or anti-Falklands.
You are a moron, Marcos.
isolda, do not insult the other posters.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0very badly done!
@15. It's very difficult to steal 'waters' in a sea or ocean. The water moves, you see. In the South Atlantic, there are anti-clockwise currents. Water moves at a multiple of 35 million cubic feet per second. So, prima facie, you can't 'own' ocean water. So the BRITISH couldn't have 'stolen' anything. In the absence of a 4 foot steel spike and a mallet, can I try to get something else through to you. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland was formed in 1707. That would be 151 years before argieland was legally recognised. I suppose WE could be called the KINGS. Or perhaps the UN. But WE go with BRITISH. Because WE recognise the input of the Northern Irish and the Welsh. And some other woad-painted barbarians who apparently 'live' in the frozen north.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be as well if argies considered any waters overseen by the UK to be 'dangerous'. Bombs, forward-firing depth bombs, missiles, torpedos are constantly being 'tested'. Live, of course. Only way to see if they still work!
@18. Probably best if you popped round to see Marcos and brained it with a slab of concrete. Only way to get something concrete in its brain space. That's the vacant area between the fungal infections on each side of its upper pseudopod. You could let all those farts out at the same time. Firing the toad into the next galaxy and a black hole. Watch out for the by-products. Large globs of foul-smelling gloop. Which he produces on a regular basis. Look up, open your mouth and enjoy!
(9) Islander1 & (17) Isolde
Feb 21st, 2015 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Each year, during the past thirty years, the Slave Ships return.., duly invited by the BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY local government of them Islands...
2) Each year, during the past thirty years, an average of 6 (six) Slaves have reportedly died on them Islands, trying to escape their Slave Ships...
3) Each year, during the past thirty years, the BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY local government of them Islands do their utmost to protect “Business”... by keeping them Slaves safely on board them Slave Ships...
4) Each year, during the past thirty years, the BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY local government of them Islands has collected licenses, harbour and transfer fees from them Slave Ships...
5) Each year, during the past thirty years, the BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY local government of them Islands has paid and controlled all policing and offshore controls of them Slave Ships...
6) Each year, during the past thirty years, the BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY local government of them Islands has called out and paid for Air Sea Rescue operations of Slave Ships in the area...
7) Each year, during the past thirty years, the BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY local government of them Islands has been responsible for all legislation controlling the offshore zone, where the Slave Ships freely operate...
8) Six dead gooks a year (by) thirty years (equals)...:
Some one hundred and eighty dead gooks for the period...
Fine job, Kelpers...
What slave ships are we talking about? The jiggers are the responsibility of the owners no? Does Argentina go to the rescue of lost seamen Oh no, they throw people out of C130s. Before you say anything “ IT WAS THE JUNTA NOTHING TO DO WITH ME” you really are pathetic. Sort your own country out, it is a mess.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The very idea that a human being could be kept as a slave is shocking. But I was not shocked when I remembered than an Englishman is the colonial governor of Malvinas.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Business as usual in kelperland...
http://www.falklands.net/FalklandsCorruption.shtml
Love it!
Feb 21st, 2015 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every year those fishing vessels return to fish those lovely British waters.
And Argentina can't do anything to stop it.
@20 And closer to home Think ........ Slave Labour in the North-East: The National Registry of Agricultural Workers and Employers (Renatea) found 32 rural workers living in “extremely precarious” conditions at a yerba mate plantation property of a former Misiones governor. The government body, which reports to the Ministry of Labour, carried out a number of inspections in the north-eastern provinces of Corrientes and Misiones. In the latter, they conducted an inspection at a yerba mate plantation, ‘Estancia I Pora’, owned by former governor Ramón Puerta, where they found 32 people living “in conditions of extreme precariousness: camping tents worked as bedrooms, with mattresses on the floor. Also, they did not have sanitary or cooking facilities.” A 14-year old child was found working at the plantation. Puerta, who was interim president of the country for three days in December 2001, will be sued for people trafficking. http://www.argentinaindependent.com/tag/slave-labour/
Feb 21st, 2015 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina: Slave labor in the fields http://www.argentinaindependent.com/tag/slave-labour/
22 Marcos Alejandro
Feb 21st, 2015 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What point are you trying to make, Marcos aka Mike Bingham??
You are way off-topic, as usual.
Think- Glad you have us correct as a B.O.T. but there is not such thing as a “local” government” in them - each one has its own Government responsible for all internal affairs as far as I am are- maybe a few differences in some of the very small ones.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Local Govt is like a county or regions council in England- or Argentina I guess - which has a few powers and a few local tax raising powers.
Now in the early days FIG may have been a bit lax, perhaps but for some time now all vessels are rigoursly inspected and all safety gear etc has to meet strict Int Standards - or no licence. Crew are quietly interviewed and any evidence of maltreatment cruelty etc - no licence.
Any incidences of maltreatmet are likley to result in a court case.fine or imprisonment for the bad guy and loss of licence to the ship.
Tell me what are the standards applied to the jiggers that take licences to fish in Argentine waters?
And where do you get the figure of six a year since 1986 from?
Marcos- wrong track- Your plan is the colonial one - where a people have a Governor and Government not of their choice or wish. Our Governor is of our wish - and he has no power anyway over our own laws and how we do what we do.
26 Islander
Feb 21st, 2015 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Think... tell me what are the standards applied to the jiggers that take licences to fish in Argentine waters?”
Chuckle... so much for Think's and Marco's 'moral high-ground' !
@22. Colin Roberts has the best possible qualifications. 'In 2013 it was announced that Roberts had been appointed Governor of the Falkland Islands and Commissioner for South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, to take up office in April 2014. Alicia Castro, Argentina's ambassador to the United Kingdom, criticised Roberts's appointment as a “provocation” and said he was “not the person to encourage dialogue between nations”.' H's provocative, is he? Good. 'Dialogue between nations'. What 'nations'? There's the UK and its Overseas Territory. Where's another 'nation'?
Feb 21st, 2015 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you please name these slave ships,
Feb 21st, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if not, would this just be another example of anti ism.
@20 Lets clear some things up you idiot.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, Argentina has its own, larger, fleet of jiggers that fishes for illex in the South Atlantic, the conditions on these vessels are appalling and it is a worldwide issue, Argentina has been getting rich of the suffering of these people as well you hypocrite.
Secondly, these men jump overboard in the Falklands in an attempt to seek asylum. They want to have a better life here and they know they will not be mistreated or be called 'gooks'. If these men had done the same in Argentina they would probably be killed by your disgusting and racist country.
Finally, you are nothing more than an indoctrinated hypocritical idiot and a racist to boot. You shouldn't be allowed to have opinions or even be allowed exist.
Hypocritical Think muddying the waters again.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By gum Think, you must hate us.
l'm glad that we upset you so.
Stew baby, stew.
One day l “think” that you'll burst a blood vessel.
Oh by the way, Think baby, when are you Argentines going to return Patagonia to the native peoples?
And when will you return to Paraguay the land that you Argentines stole from them?
After all, you DO want to do the right thing, don't you, Think?
Moron.
TWIMC
Feb 21st, 2015 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Article above says...:
“Fortunately, seven crewmen who were reported missing from the Taiwanese jigger Jin Li on Wednesday morning, sparking an extensive search around Hadassa Bay/Cape Pembroke area, were all located within 24 hours and found to be in good health....”
I say...:
And now..., after their arrest and the usual circus show of “independent investigation” and “fair interrogation” them seven fugitive Slaves will be forced to either board their owners Slave Ship again... or be expeditiously deported from them Islands as a common criminals...
... As has previously happened with 100% (One hundred percent) of them gook Slaves who have been so foolish to seek freedom in them Brutish Islands...
(31) Isolde..., babykins
Don't worry about my arteries, honeybunch...
My blood pressure readings, cholesterol levels and BMI are annoyingly perfect... says my GP.
But don't despair yet...
I could be kick dead by them horses any time... ;-)
@ Marcos (Mike Bingham) you were the most strangest person I ever knew that lived in the Falklands, looks like nothing has changed.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think- you are so Argentine at times- someone asks you a question - answer is tricky- so shoot off at a random tangent!
Feb 21st, 2015 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me - oh bugger its another question! - What would happen initially to 7 foreign fishermen who swim ashore of their own choice(not from a shipwreck) in Argentina with no entry permits.passport stamps etc?
They are of course “arrested” - in a nice way - not handcuffed or charged - politely escorted to a safe place - in this case Stanley Hospital so they could be checked over for any injuries etc from their recent trauma, fed, and medically examined for any signs of beating etc.
Come on old chap- another question it is! - What would happen on the Argentine coastline in the same circumstances?
Be a devil,and tell us about how jiggers are checked prior to license issue in Argentina as well?
@32 El Think
Feb 21st, 2015 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please read yesterday's editorial from the Penguin News (Lisa Watson). I wonder if such an enlightened piece would ever make it to press on the mainland?
Here is the tail-end of it (MP space restrictions); I can put the beginning up later.
”it has become standard to hear an announcement
that crewmen are missing. This week was no exception, and news that
a number of men were found unharmed is small comfort knowing that
one did not survive.
The Falkland Islands Government assures us that investigations into
the reasons why the men jump are thorough, and that measures are
being actively implemented to dissuade men from jumping in the first
place. And in the face of explanations of the protocols and efforts being
made it is difficult for any layman to imagine what else they might
do. However, while these horrific events continue the Falklands cannot
rest on its laurels in terms of seeking new solutions, and I trust FIG
and the local companies involved will not.
For ourselves, it is not enough to gloss over the situation using
phrases like ‘it’s not because of mistreatment’
Even if this is now largely true the fact remains that men are risking
their lives and dying in order to leave ships. All of this in an industry
that pays for our college age children to study in the UK, funds our
free health care and has this year increased our income tax personal
allowance.
This is not a situation that any one Falklands resident can turn a
blind eye to. Every single one of us has a responsibility, not just to
care (which I know we all do) but to support the Falklands Government
and local fishing companies in vigorously pursuing potential
solutions even if it means losing a few licence fees from less scrupulous
companies.
And bearing in mind that we had record catches last year and another
good season predicted, then this is exactly the time to be putting
pressure on vessel owners who might be under suspicion of exploitative
behaviour or substandard conditions.”
Islander1- you are so Engrish at times- someone presents you with an inconvenient truth - justifications are more than tricky- so shoot off at a random tangent!
Feb 21st, 2015 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think - don't understand sorry - my family ceased to be English about 150 years ago when last of our original English born family ancestors died here and us generations of born islanders must have lost whatever it is you are talking about.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its you who is not answering questions old chap! What happens in your patch please?
One would have to be of the opinion that these poor sods jumped overboard to escape slavery perhaps,
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0and to be Free, and what better place to do it,
than the British Falkland's as a first stop.
before settling in Argentina .
(35) DerkeBlake
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0To answer your question..., dozens of such “enlightened pieces” are published on a weekly bases in thousands of national, regional, provincial, departamental and local papers all over Argentina...
Back to the Penguin News editorial...
One would not expect less from Mrs Watson...
Yet..., on closer examination, one could have expected quite a bit more from Mrs. Watson..., being..., as she is..., a Watson...
@39 Mr. Think
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fair enough, and I wouldn't expect anything less. I must admit that your Watson remark has gone right over my head (unless it's an obscure Arthur Conan Doyle reference).
Along that bent, I am truly curious. The UK has a rather long list of columnists and public personalities that are, shall we say, proactively sympathetic to Argentina's viewpoint on the Falklands (as misguided as it may be). For the most part, they also haven't really suffered any real adverse consequences as a result of exposing said opinion, career or other-wise.
How are the likes of Jorge Lanata, Fernando Iglesias, Pepe Elishev, Vicente Palermo, and the rest of the group that penned “Malvinas: An Alternaive Viewpoint” viewed in Argentina. It's my understanding that things got rather precarious for some of them (maybe that's just media exaggeration). Are they still considered to be “the 17 traitors”? How are they viewed by the population at large? Has it had any long term effect on their standing in polite Argentine society? (see, no cheap shot at the finish there, and that was a real sitter).
Derke
(40) Mr. Blake
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0That “Watson” remark has nothing to do with literature...
It's all about the lass's previous history, breeding and pedigree...
As far as I know, Jorge Lanata, Fernando Iglesias, Pepe Elishev, Vicente Palermo, and the rest of the group that penned the proactively UK sympathetic “Malvinas: An Alternative Viewpoint” (misguided as it may be) haven't suffered any adverse consequences as a result of exposing said opinion and continue with their lives and careers fairly undisturbed...
In stark contrast with what was “Usual” for perceived enemies and dissidents in our past...
A past that we..., in different degrees..., share with most other Nations on Earth..., Canada included.
Who cares what you think, Think?
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are here & you are not.
Thats how we like it & thats the way its going to stay.
Whether you like it or not.
Get used to it.
A good Sunday to you too, babykins...
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Am still waiting for lots of answer Think? Lots of Spanish trawlers, all Falklands flagged and registered, in port this weekend unloading full fish holds into reefer containers to be shipped to world markets from the Falklands.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@41 Mr. Think
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good to hear. I remember AxelArg (I believe) stating that anyone from the Falklands could march around the Playo de Mayo completely unmolested, waving a Union Jack and declaring the Falklands British. Nice to hear that public descent on the Falklands is alive and openly tolerated in Argentina.
Now, you'll have to elaborate on “the lass's previous history, breeding and pedigree”, as I have no idea why you would “have expected quite a bit more from Mrs. Watson”? I have recently read her “Waking up to War”, and despite those experiences, it is rather apparent that relative to the most islanders, she is extremely dove'ish and magnanimous, for lack of better terms (despite being hauled out of bed and having her family threatened and a gun pointed at her, as a child). Her publication even recently penned an editorial advising against legislatively over-reacting to the boorish behaviour of a few visiting Argentinean “war veterans” wearing combat fatigues (not to mention the graffiti and jingoistic flag-waving); an opinion that it appears is not exactly indicative of the overall population. The Watson family apparently arrived in the 1840's and are referenced rather prominently in the Stanley museum (as an aside, when did your decedents arrive in Argentina?). Do try to answer that last query, as it is hardly irrelevant to your position.
Anyway; arriving home very late with a little too much wine and wonderful prawns. Here's your smile for the evening (old video of some good Canadian kids; if this can't make you smile, there's no hope for any of us):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAxRozTgoXM
Derke
Think, your posting times clearly demonstrate that there is no way you are in Chubut. You are a serial liar and fraud. How is Mrs Castro?
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0(45) Mr. Blake
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 01) I wouldn't go as far as Mr. AxelArg, though
Some Malvinas veterans have been camping at Plaza de Mayo for years and they could take it “kind op personal”...
This is South America... after all...
2) Precisely because the lass is a Watson, I was expected more than an anonymous, lukewarm, apologetic,“ I wash my hands”, “Not in my Name”, “Je suis Charlie” kind of article...
After all..., this is little Malvinas..., where everybody knows the names, surnames, addresses and motivations of the responsible people for the Slave Ships issue...*
3) Nice video, thanks...
Just wondering...
Did you know about my partiality for Border Collies...or is it just another odd coincidence in our dialogue?
@47 Like I said earlier, Argentina has its own fleet of jiggers with exactly the same working conditions.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(42) Chère Malvinas Squatterette Isolde...
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Following the “Time Logic” of Anglo Turnip at (46), you and me are not a couple of early raisers enjoying our first cup of coffee together down here in Patagonia... but some serial liars and frauds as our “posting times clearly demonstrate...”
Can this be truth? ;-)
(48) brianF.I
What you said earlier...and repeat now is a falsehood...
The crews working in the ~ 65 strong Argentinean Jigger fleet are highly unionized, their working conditions are very controlled and their salaries are quite good...
Kelper brainwash anybody?
What I don’t understand is why people take these jobs in the first place if the work and living conditions are so allegedly so bad.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A slave Mr Turnip is according to the Oxford dictionary a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
or....Were the fishermen held at gunpoint to be forced into the jiggers?
TWIMC
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Not understanding” Turnips could start reading ILO's 100 pages report titled...:
“Caught at Sea: Forced Labour and Trafficking in Fisheries”
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/Digital-Library/Publications/Detail/?ots591=0c54e3b3-1e9c-be1e-2c24-a6a8c7060233&lng=en&id=168227
Think, no doubt your Arg flagged and registered jiggers are much better - I was asking about the conditions on all the other ones from the orient that apply for licences to fish in your side of the zones/
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But neither have you read the report and how does that prove the Taiwanese are exploiting the fishermen?? Taiwan has currently 3,7 % unemployment rate, it’s pretty much full employment.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This must be an alien concept for a communist like yourself but people are free to chose were to work and use their time. If they go
I bet you that those fishermen in the Taiwanese jiggers earn far more than the highly unionized argentine ones. Otherwise I cant see why people are willing to work there if the conditions are so bad.
(52) Islander1
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, I was not answering you but Mr. BrianF.I. a young Kelper that, in numerous previous occasions has demonstrated the high degree of brainwash and sheer ignorance Kelper youth is subjected to...
Secondly..., why on Earth should I respond to your evident (and futile) deflection efforts?
The article above is all about the two gook stiffs and the seven captured ones... soon to be unceremoniously deported from them windblown Islands...
You are, evidently, one of those Lisa Watson is, even so vaguely, referring to in her editorial...
One of those profiting most from them Slave Ships...
Wow Think is so caught up in this.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's almost delicious to watch.
Guess that's because it's 2015 and the Falkland Islands are still a BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY controlling their own fishing.......
And not part of some poor mismanaged Argentine province being pillaged by an incompetent and corrupt federal government.
Absolutely delicious I tell you.
@47 Think
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Good to know! I expect (50/50) to be in “Bahia Blanca” this September, if we remain on schedule.
2) Quite ridiculous, and you're smart enough to know why. None of the owners have ever probably set foot on the islands and it appears the operators show up in Stanley up once a year to collect their licences. I must add that the adjective use of the word “slave” and the (very objectionable) use of the word “gook” are beneath you.
You conveniently ignore my one direct question. The evil turnip/squatter/pirate Ms. Watson, like over 50% of residents, was born on the Falklands (let's not go through that debate again; you were proven to be factually wrong), and she can trace her lineage back seven generations through to paternal grandparents. Yet somehow her presence and participation in collective ownership of those islands is illegitimate. Once again, “How long ago did your ancestors arrive in Argentina”?
3) No, I had no idea you had a penchant for Border Collies. I have owned Kentucky Blue Ticks, Tennessee Walkers, Black & Tans, Labradors and currently only a single Scottie; but I would NEVER own a Border Collie, as I simply do not possess the self-confidence to own a dog that is smarter than me (my Scottie only “Thinks” he's BETTER than me).
Derke
(56) Mr. Blake
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Neither Ms. Watson nor me are speaking about the foreign owners of them Slave Ships...
Both of us are referring to the system created by the local Kelper BOT legislators and the local Kelper partners of them Slave Ships owners ( the so called sqidllionaires) who enjoy the lions share of the produce of them gooks slaves work-life and dead...
You will have to excuse me French, but... I, somehow, find quite less reprehensible the use of the “Gook” or “Nigga” worlds in a pedagogical/therapeutical manner than allowing them said Gooks & Niggas to suffer and die for personal profit...
To finish, I will refer you to the quite fair solution your own country, Canada reached with France about Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon and its 6,000 inhabitants...
Compare it please with with the Engrish position in the South Atlantic that, if memory serves me right, basically reads....:
“The whole of the South Atlantic, including 1/6 of the South Pole is British and Argentina, Chile and the rest of South America can just bugger off.”
@57. I think you have a problem. From an ENGLISH point of view, argies are gooks. Also so semi-Niggas.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think that WE English, the most blessed nation in the world, give a shite about gooks and semi-Niggas. Here's news. WE don't. There's very little in latam that WE give a shite about. Bolivia, Brazil, Ecuador, Peru, Uruguay, Venezuela are just piles of shite. The indigenous people must be protected and it doesn't matter who has to die in the process. Local police farces and armed farces aren't really a problem. Mostly cowardly wankers swaggering around imposing on unarmed civilians. And when they meet up with trained, equipped, professional British troops, they run.
Try to remember that you're a shit fucker who doesn't even dare live in what you call your 'country.' Just so's you know, argieland isn't a country. It's a criminal gangland. Soon, there will be authorisation to wipe out criminality and corruption in latam.
@51
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'“Not understanding” Turnips could start reading ILO's 100 pages report titled...:
“Caught at Sea: Forced Labour and Trafficking in Fisheries”'
A rather interesting document which contains not one word about the Falkland Islands or the South Atlamtic fishery. The abuses to does cover are focused mainly upon Thailand and the Mekong delta. Nor is it at all clear how a tiny BOT in the South Atlantic is supposed to solve a global problem of human trafficking beyond what it is already doing, but let's not let that get in the way of a good smear.
@57
“The whole of the South Atlantic, including 1/6 of the South Pole is British and Argentina, Chile and the rest of South America can just bugger off.”
That sounds perfectly reasonable to me, although I do recall in the 90s it was the government of Nestor Kirchner that chose to bugger off from our expression of open-handed generosity. But no matter. and as ever, if anybody in Argentina, Chile and the rest of South America is able to come up with a better claim than ours, I'm sure we're willing to listen, although that has yet to happen.
Oi Think, time to get the dog lead out and get Fido to take you down the Dunoon Combined Services for a pint with Voicy.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(59) Mr. Niesund
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Do you Engrish people call ~180 drowned gook escapee slaves for “Smear” now???
2) Soooo...
You say that you “recall in the 90's it was the government of Nestor Kirchner that chose to bugger off from our expression of open-handed generosity.”
In the 90's???
Really???
Do you even know when Nestor Kirchner became President of Argentina???
@61
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which ~180 drowned gook escapee slaves is that, exactly? Are you familiar with the concept of evidence, or have you been taking lessons in statistics from Cabeza Dura 2 and/or Indec?
But my bad about Nestor of course, what I mean was his spurning of the open handed generosity enshrined in the agreements entered into by Brits during the 1990s. But I'm sure you get my drift.
60 CS
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What? Is Voice up from Dover? Or was that Doveoverdover? Or Surfer from Australia? Which was the one who was a senior ranking officer at Mt Pleasant but didn't actually attend the Falklands war? Was that the one who lives in Chubut or the one from Sweden? I've got them one mixed up.
Think, I'd be grateful if you could give us all a brief list of your many logins. A brief bio with each one would be helpful also.
It's good to see those poor fishermen- who felt strongly enough to jump ship- walking around town and eating at Shorty's. Well clothed and pretty happy looking.
Another big cruise ship in today and what a beautiful day it was. I don't follow the cruise ships religiously but I don't recall any not arriving as intended this season. They must be soooooo scared of Crisis Fernandez de Kirchner and her impotent threats.
Chuckle chuckle.
@49 Think,
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To start with, l am not a “malvinas squatterette”, but you ARE a squatter(on land that belongs to murdered Amerindians).
l also get out of bed at about 5am, every morning, stumble out into the kitchen & brew myself a mug of good hot strong, creamy coffee.
The caffeine kicks in moments later & l can begin my day.
However, l do not know how you begin your day.
@54 Think,
l read somewhere that the word “gook” is Korean & means merely “man” or “person” & is a normal, non-derogatory word.
UN troops brought the word back from the Korean War 1950-1953.
lt seems now that it applies to every Asian by some sections of our enlightened world.
l don't know anyone who uses it, except you, Think.
@55 Skip,
“Delicious”-one of my favourite words, used to describe a situation when observing a rival or enemy getting into hot water or making an ass of themselves. lol!
@56 DerkeBlake,
Think has admitted in the past that he is a first generation Argentine, that his parents came from Denmark or one of those other nations lost in the mist of Scandinavia.
Someone here even said that Think came from the Faeroe lslands & he didn't deny it. But as we all know that Think is a devious, deflecting, wriggly snake, anything is possible.
He could be from Outer Mongolia for all l know(or care!).
btw-l agree that Border Collies are very intelligent & they are my favourite dog.
(62) Hans Niesund
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhh...
Evidence...
Well... My source in Puerto Estanley tells me that they have received some 95 official reports of “ Gooks Lost at Sea” and about 150 official reports of “Gooks Dead on Ships” at the RFIP since 1985...
The same source tells me that the general consensus among the Islands police force is that most Slave Ships couldn't care less about reporting those “Minor Incidents”.
So, as a matter of fact, my figure of ~180 drowned gook escapee slaves seems to be all too conservative...
If you insist..., I “Think” I could easily find and produce a link to those official RFIP figures...
@57 Mr. Think
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) “local Kelper partners of them Slave Ships owners”, you'll have to elaborate with proof; other than very minor local stevedoring. Most (if not all) of it is done via direct offshore transfer to mother vessels.
b) That 180 number was extrapolated out of your butt, and has absolutely no basis in reality. Such numbers should be factually-based. Just imagine what numbers we could all throw out there for consumption with we used that arithmetic. I would very much like to see your source that you mention above @65. It couldn't just be conjecture, could it.
c) (@40) Did the Argentine Federal Fisheries Council not agree to a registry for 20 additional jiggers, 10 of them from China. I think your collective self-righteousness is not earned on this one.
d) But this is my favourite “quite fair solution your own country, Canada reached with France about Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon and its 6,000 inhabitants...” which is exactly what I pointed out to you a few months ago. A mature country (Canada), living peacefully beside a small foreign overseas territory for a couple of centuries, just 18 km off it's coast, and enjoying each other's diversity. Our only bump-in-the-road a miniscule fisheries boundary which was settled amicably. We do not covet what is so obviously theirs. What a concept! Glad to see that you Think that's applicable to the Falklands. Los genios pensamos igual!
e) “The whole ..... bugger off”. Hyperbole just shows desperation.
f) And you STILL haven't answered one simple question. Ms Watson's family has 174+ years of tenure; what do your ancestors have on the mainland. You are very, very good at cherry-picking bits and pieces out of other people's posts, but seem to become acutely blind to inconvenient inquiries. I promise to take you at your word; as far as I know, you've been honourable (if not mistaken) thus far.
Derke
“From an ENGLISH point of view, argies are gooks. Also so semi-Niggas. ”
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that shite sounds derogatory.
also racist.
not a surprise.
now, coming from the most notable member of this group of assholes, their leader so to say, presumably the rest of them thinks in the same way.
maybe that´s the reason why they do not even have 1 nigger, semi nigger, slope, yiddo, or whatever the fuck you want, living in the stinky islets.
just them and a tiny little group of chilotes as servants.
shitty toy society they are.
(66) Mr. Blake
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) Nope, I don't need to elaborate...
You need to inform yourself about Malvinas BOT legislation on the procurement of fishing licenses flr foreigners...
b) Please see my comment Nr. (65)
c) Juppp... and so what?
d) As I also said before..., Argentina would be glad to offer the Kelpers as little as Canada gave to the Saint-Pierrais
Miquelonnais to get the Engrish out of the South Atlantic...
e) Would you please inform me then what the Engrish offer consist off?
f) Please see chère squatterette Isolde's post Nr. (64)
@65
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If you insist..., I “Think” I could easily find and produce a link to those official RFIP figures...”
Please do. While you're at it, you might also like to provide your evidence that these figures concern “slaves” escaping from “slave ships” and that this is known, condoned, or just ignored by the Falkland authorities.
(69)
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooooooops....
I didn't need to venture too far...:
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/05/07/falklands-and-the-darker-side-of-fishing-crewmen-trying-to-jump-ship
Please also read comments (3) and (5) from Kelper Barnowl....
@32
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”One hundred percent) of them gook Slaves who have been so foolish to seek freedom in them Brutish Islands...”
Soon Argentines will be so desperate at the clusterfuck in their country that they will be swimming out to seek asylum on foreign jiggers.
@70
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you're going to have to venture a little further than that to substantiate '
95 official reports of “ Gooks Lost at Sea” and about 150 official reports of “Gooks Dead on Ships” at the RFIP since 1985...', not to mention '~180 drowned gook escapee slaves'.
As it is, all you've done is indulge in that quaint Malvinista practice of posting links that undermine your own argument.
@71Pete “Soon Argentines will be so desperate at the clusterfuck in their country that they will be swimming out to seek asylum on foreign jiggers”
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are practicing already, if you recall recently some Argenchinian in a wetsuit was swimming between East Falkland to West Falkland as a publicity stunt. This is actually a precurser to a mass swim from Argenchina to the Falklands when the Peso really plunges and things get too unbearable in the dark country. It will make the African exodous to Italy look pale in comparison.
@72 Hans, I Think you are flogging a dead horse. Its actually an old Dobbin that comes on here and rambles incessantly about the Engrish, but actually has no idea what it is on about. Think lives in a fantasy world once powered by single malt but the sinking Peso has curtailed that and he has taken to Meths. Either that, or he lives in Dunoon - check out Billy Connelly on that one.
@72 HansNiesund
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“that quaint Malvista practice ......... ”
I've noticed that too; although granted, El Think is usually the most accurate of the bunch (not a high bar, however). Very strange affliction.
“From the 35 reports, 10 bodies were recovered and 79 were recovered alive from the water”. Since 1985.
Have a fine Sunday afternoon all.
My wife is dragging me to a %@$#^&* Oscars party. I'd rather take a cheese-grader to my forehead.
Derke
Yes I was quite surprised that Think made this claim:
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0“So, as a matter of fact, my figure of ~180 drowned gook escapee slaves seems to be all too conservative...”
And then provided a link that confirmed 10 drownings between 1985 and 2014!
As Hans said, he has “indulge[ed] in that quaint Malvinista practice of posting links that undermine your own argument”.
I blame it on his Argentinean education.
@67. Carry on proving that you're brain-dead.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you white and Caucasian? Then you don't belong in South America. You're an invading, colonialist, imperialist, genocidal animal. Do you understand the word 'derogatory'? In fact, the words I use are simply accurate. 'Gook' is a word to which any meaning can be assigned. But, broadly, an uncivilised, non- British, genocidal, murderous barbarian.
How nice that, demonstrably, you 'read' other comments with your blind, gaping arse.
Trouble recognising that the best country in the world, England, is always prepared to shit on you? And cripple you? And kill you? And toss your corpses out as fish food? How wonderful it would be to view videos of killer whales ripping argie corpses apart. Let's have videos of argie entrails being champed and ripped away.
I see that argieland encourages islamic murderous scum to attack argentine Jews. In other words, argies who's faith is Judaism. Not content, argieland 'protects' the scum. 20 years and the argie scum won't charge those responsible for 85 deaths and more than 300 injured.
Nothing 'small', arsehole. 53 million. DEATH to argieland. SOON!
@68. (e) Just one offer. Suicide before we get to you. Gurkhas, Paras, Royal Marines and Special Forces disable. And leave scum to bleed out and die.
@75. Think' is, of course, a non-resident, argie arsehole in which he pokes his fist to get a 'thrill'. He uses the pseudo 'Think' because he can't. He found it as he attempted to find an alternative to 'Wank'.
Anyone thought about 'Enrique Massot'? That'll be 'Mass other turd'. Check Facebook. Not a gram of intelligence.
Germans -nazis - argies have to be investigated and executed.At least 75% of argies need to be executed for one reason or another. 19th century genocide. 20th century government murder. Being a murderer. What else is needed?
Paulcedron- once again talking through your arse- it is definitely an Argentine tradition!
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have here in the islands as part of our population many people from St Helena who have a lot of African origen, quite a few folks from the Indian subcontinent, also Malaysia and that area of the Far East and Phillipines,
and more recently several families from Zimbabwe - they are all an integral part of the islands Community and equal in it in every respect and all play their parts.
But then your country is well known for its racist undertones.
ERRATUM...
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After being made aware of my evident misreading of the official RFIP information at...: http://en.mercopress.com/2014/05/07/falklands-and-the-darker-side-of-fishing-crewmen-trying-to-jump-ship,
I wish to correct my mistake...:
There have NOT been ~180 reported Gook Escapee Slave drownings in Malvinas since 1985...
There have ONLY been ~12 reported Gook Escapee Slave drownings in Malvinas since 1985...
Errare Humanum Est
@78
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a step in the right direction, no doubt about it, but not quite there yet.
There have NOT ONLY been ~ ~12 reported Gook Escapee Slave drownings in Malvinas since 1985...
There have been 10 bodies recovered from the water.
At least according to http://en.mercopress.com/2014/05/07/falklands-and-the-darker-side-of-fishing-crewmen-trying-to-jump-ship
Frankly, I'm disappointed. There you were on the other thread telling us all about the new paradigm of Argentine reality, or something, but this looks more like meet the new paradigm, same as the old paradigm. Lies. innuendo, smears and some bogus figures from the Cabeza Densa EekANumber! School of Statistical Analysis.
Tsk tsk tsk.
(79)
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 12 figure includes the two freshly drowned Gook Escapee Slaves reported in this article...
Or in other words, 12 bodies recovered from the water.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or, more precisely, 12 drowned Gook Escapee Slave bodies recovered from the water.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And precisely on the basis of which precise information have you reached this precise conclusion?
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 83 HansNiesund
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please give El Think a break. He has openly and honourably admitted to an error, which makes him quite unique on these boards (it's like seeing a Sasquatch and a Unicorn at the same time).
Not good sport to twist the knife or kick a guy when he's being humble.
He just might get the chance to return the favour someday ;)
I”m certain he'll have that opportunity with me.
Cheers, Derke
@84
Feb 24th, 2015 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come, come DerkeBlake, credit where credit is due, I said as much in @79. I'm just curious now as to how the newly humble Think has managed to establish the ethnic origin, employment status, and reasons for entering the water, of the 12 individuals recovered therefrom. It's hardly twisting the knife to give the guy a fresh opportunity to demonstrate his profound knowledge of the Falklands islands.
as i said, the most representative imbecile of this group of assholes, number 76, demonstrates the average IQ of these genetic aberrations.
Feb 24th, 2015 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0not a surprise.
that happens when your father is also your brother and your mother, your grandmother.
@85 HansNiesund
Feb 24th, 2015 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, but how come I get the distinct impression that you're not so much “giving him running line” as “setting the hook”. At some point it's just cruel.
Catch and release, baby!
86 Pablo Said-Drone
Feb 24th, 2015 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The really funny thing is - we all refer to him as “our Paul Cedron equivalent ”!!!
How's your sister?
@88 Troy
Feb 24th, 2015 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm confused as to which one of them should be offended by that.
Flip a coin.
89 Derke
Feb 24th, 2015 - 05:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0As hateful as he is, at least Conq. is defending the Islanders' right to be British.
Pablo is a hateful creep whonwants other people's property.
@90 Troy
Feb 24th, 2015 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0True, and point taken. Just don't know why he has to be so over-the-top about it; as it hurts his point.
He sometimes provides completely excellent, clear, logical, informative and insightful posts (especially in a historical context), and then ruins it all by inserting a love child from Genghis Khan & Three Faces of Eve. Just because you're on the correct side of a debate, doesn't give you carte blanche when it comes to decency.
Anyway, there's the last of my smarmy smugness for the evening. I'm sure he doesn't need me lecturing him.
Have a good one. No rain until Wednesday so a morning kayak awaits.
Cheers,
Derke
Of course Think is only human and will make mistakes.
Feb 24th, 2015 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean he is battling against:
* an Argentinean education
* a current government that regularly lies
* 70 years of Peronist brainwashing
So it's hardly surprising that reality doesn't always match his expectations or claims.
For one small moment, Think saw himself as we see him all the time.
We weren't surprised, though he was.
#To finish, I will refer you to the quite fair solution your own country, Canada reached with France about Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon and its 6,000 inhabitants...
Feb 25th, 2015 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-Whereby Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon is still French and has been since before Canada became British and later independent
#Compare it please with with the Engrish position in the South Atlantic that, if memory serves me right, basically reads....:
“The whole of the South Atlantic, including 1/6 of the South Pole is British and Argentina, Chile and the rest of South America can just bugger off.”
-Whereas the Argentine position reads “give us everything we demand unconditionally” even though they are utterly incapable of proving they have ever owned any of it.
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#' Our only bump-in-the-road a miniscule fisheries boundary which was settled amicably. '
-It was settled by arbitration. Which was more favourable to Canada than to St P & M. St P & M (pop 6,000 © Think) got a 200nmi EEZ in only one direction whereas Sable Island (pop 5) got a 200nmi EEZ in all directions not towards mainland Canada, except for the St P & M bit
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#d) As I also said before..., Argentina would be glad to offer the Kelpers as little as Canada gave to the Saint-Pierrais Miquelonnais to get the Engrish out of the South Atlantic...
-The French are still in St P & M.
93 dab
Feb 25th, 2015 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“
-The French are still in St P & M.”
...and there is only one direction for an EEZ, as those islands are only 12 miles off the coast of Canada.
.'..and there is only one direction for an EEZ, as those islands are only 12 miles off the coast of Canada.'
Feb 25th, 2015 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troy,
12 nmi in one direction only, not in other directions
See following map.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–France_Maritime_Boundary_Case#mediaviewer/File:Saint-Pierre_and_Miquelon_EEZ_map-fr.svg
From St P & M Canada is
12 nmi to the east
26 nmi to the north
160 nmi to the west (Cape Breton Island) St P & M has a 30 nmi EEZ to the west
213 nmi to the south west (Sable Island - not shown) St P & M has a 22 nmi EEZ to the south west
Canada's EEZ extends that far south of Nova Scotia and Cape Breton Island because of Sable Island.
Canada's EEZ continues below St P & M's 200 nmi EEZ strip to the south because of Sable Island.
The Flag State is responsible for ALL conditions on ALL vessels flying its Flag.
Feb 27th, 2015 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Article 94 of UNCLOS refers, available here:
http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf
i understand that FIG do perform an inspection of fishing vessels', which has to have satisfactory results prior to issuing a license. I am informed that major defects/deficiencies are reported to the Flag State.
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