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Falklands governor says road to independence possible, rejects dialogue with Argentina
Falkland Islands Governor, Colin Roberts, came on stage to suggest that the future of the disputed British Overseas Territory will depend on its people bluntly rejecting any dialogue with the Argentine government. Read full article
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Feb 23rd, 2015 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina invaded, was kicked out.
Argentina has admitted the only thing stopping them invading again is the Military garrison.
The Falklands may become an Independent nation (if they so wish). But given the continuous bullying by Argentina they certainly will not be colonized.
It's an uncomfortable truth for Argentina but basically they blew it and nothing whatsoever that they do no will result in them controlling the Falkland Islands.
Actually, Roberts did not definitively rule out dialogue with Argentina. He rejected dialogue as a response to Argentina's “diplomatic bullying”, but didn't rule out “conversation” were Argentina to adopt a more civilized attitude.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ultimahora.com/las-islas-falkland-malvinas-pueden-ser-pais-soberano-segun-gobernador-n874491.html
But given that the whole point of the Argentine approach is precisely to whip up the punters through repeated displays of an uncivilized attitude, I wouldn't be expecting much of a conversation anytime soon.
So just to clarify the situation for Hepatitis and the rest of the dead-head argie trolls:
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands will NOT be given to you within the next FIFTY YEARS!
IF EVER!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, you know how it goes.
´´The future will depend on people, I cannot speculate about that, but the Islands will continue their development and will be able to turn into an independent country no matter the Argentine (sovereignty) claim“
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is democracy !
The people will decide !
And so say all of us !
Another nail in the coffin of Argentina's South Atlantic aspirations.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Independence' cannot come overnight. Falkland Islanders need to start considering what they will need and what they have to do.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is absolutely no chance of FI getting a viable army, navy or air force. Although there is a possibility of major missile defences. Unless it wants to be part of argieland the day after independence is declared, the Islands need to start working out the details of a defence agreement with the UK. It may be that FIG is only waiting for the oil industry to start providing adequate income so that the Islands can pay for their defence. But how much did Belize pay for its battalion of British Army ground troops and the flight of RAF fast jets? If the Falklands continued to provide training facilities...?
Continuing, briefly, on the subject of defence, the Falkland Islands Defence Force (FIDF) needs to be placed on a permanent, paid footing. It needs to be larger with better equipment. It will need shoulder-launched anti-personnel as well as anti-tank, anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles. And it could do with a Naval branch. Rigid Raider boats are all very well but its patrol boats need to have a displacement of 2,000 tons or more. And be fully armed with armed helicopters.
The Islands need to engage in a major programme to increase their population. Tax breaks would help. And a lot of underground facilities would be useful. Keep Stanley etc as they are to maintain the character and culture. But dig down 50 or 100 feet and go modern. Plenty of room for modern shopping malls, factories, hydroponic farms, garages and so forth.
The Islands need to get started. Incidentally, there are some second-hand tunnel boring machines available in the UK. Although it may be expensive to get them to bore their way out from where they were abandoned under the Channel Tunnel.
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Feb 23rd, 2015 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Said Governor,
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders and only the Islanders have the Final say.
#7
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Someone find the quote for me....
But senior Argentinian Military/Government officials have stated that the ONLY thing stopping Argentina from Invading the Falkland Islands (again) is the UK Military Forces based there.
The ONLY thing, I repeat.
That is the invasion threat, not veiled, not subtle but has been cleared stated.
It isn't the Falklanders who reject dialogue, but the Argentinian government. In fact, Argentina refuses to take part in any discussion with the U.K. if the government of the Falkland Islands are included.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 Zathras, do you mean when putrid jelly said that the British garrison on the Falklands “is the only element that upholds the usurpation of that part of our national territory”?
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#11 That sounds right I could not recall who said it and the precise quote.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Settlers prefer to maintain the status of British overseas territory, while they shape their development and strengthen their economy,”....I do prefer that the Islandas mantain the current status....we all prefer that the islands maintain the current status...Argentina prefers that the islands maintain the current status.......an independent islands will only add more trouble in the area. There will be three parties in the dispute.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 09 zathras
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was reported on August 13th 2012 that the then Argentina minister of Defence Arturo Puricelli who warned that the British military presence in the South Atlantic “is the only element that upholds the usurpation of that part of our national territory”.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/08/13/argentina-shows-off-jet-model-and-calls-on-uk-to-dialogue-on-falklands-sovereignty
@13 pgerman
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are already three parties in the so-called “dispute”. The “dispute” only persists because Argentina rejects any application of the principles of law, democracy, and human rights in pursuit of its territorial ambitions in the South Atlantic, but that's not a sustainable position in the long term.
@9 zathras
Find the quote here :
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/08/13/argentina-shows-off-jet-model-and-calls-on-uk-to-dialogue-on-falklands-sovereignty
@14
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arturo Puricelli was a stupid and corrupt minister who was al the time saying nonsenses. The current defense minister, Rossi, is another stupid. He said that the “Tronador is another proof of the improvement of argentine defense system” when all of us know that it is being developed as a civil rocket.
We all know that without armed forces our neighbours will invade us. The World keeps on being a dangerous place.
I don't see the issue of having a british garrison in the FI...I would prefer that they had more than one, two, three....it's their money....
Traducción Humana
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Traducir
182 Years ago that are a British colony, waiting to be an independent country? Therefore go and do it..! Is that in the intimacy well aware that their future depends on and always depend on what you decide Argentina, and an independent country are not and will never..!
#17
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could we have that in English please. Your google translator has garbled it from your Spanish.
Very quiet since 007 was removed,
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Officially it is a “territory under dispute” between two countries (the United Kingdom and Argentina).
Adding a third party in the dispute (the FI people) from the british side would be as if Argentina considers that the whole country were defending the people from Province of Tierra del Fuego from a new british invasion.
Don't forget that vessels going or coming from the islands are not allowed to use argentina ports only in Tierra del Fuego due to a provincial decision.
independence?
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it would be as if a teenager wants to be independent.
no way.
what they want is to be financially supported by their parents or in this case, by the honest, sacrificed, impoverished british taxpayer, who has to pay bedroom tax just to support parasites around the world.
so, the independence of the isleters is just a question between them and the british taxpayer.
argentina does not give a flying f*ck about it.
who cares if they want to be independent, british, chilotes or whatever the they want, eh?
the important thing here are the islets, the land.
and neither the isleters nor the britons have the right of making decisions on that matter.
just the U.N.
United Nations.
Naciones Unidas.
Comité de Descolonización.
Decolonization Committee.
Committee of 24.
GOT IT?
and you roberts, stop colouring your hair.
Bitter in defeat....
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paulie, 'the 16 remaining territories must have ''full'' freedom of choice' Ban says. And that's without RG land. lol.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=34740#.VOuLyY02aUk
Perhaps the argies could find a deserted island somewhere,
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0call it Malvinas, pretend to invade it,
them CFK can claim her victory and tell her brainwashed supporters that they have got the Malvinas back,
then quietly shut up and disappear....lol
Pauly the peludo,… or what, are you going to invade in your kayaks?
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahaha. Losers!
captain
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0peludo?
ha
good one.
the best post of the isleters by far.
and who wants to invade?
only in your imagination, you warmongers.
@20 Pgerman
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the whole country were defending the people from Province of Tierra del Fuego from a new british invasion.”
Even though the British could legitimately claim parts of Patagonia they would be unlikely to do so as the Amerindians were there first, indeed we had a history of setting up missionarys to better their lives (though they did not need that help).
“Don't forget that vessels going or coming from the islands are not allowed to use argentina ports only in Tierra del Fuego due to a provincial decision.”
A good decision as those ports will receive income that will assist the TDF economy, not noted to be amongst the best in the world.
@21 Paul
“ who has to pay bedroom tax just to support parasites around the world.”
I'm more bothered about the idle siesta loving parasites in Spain and Argentina funded by the EU to which the UK is now a major contributor.
That money should be going to build a new deep water port in the Falklands though the FIG will pay for that, not the British taxpayer.
“and neither the isleters nor the britons have the right of making decisions on that matter.”
We do because the Islands belong to the Uk and as Mr Roberts says, possibly to the Islanders.
The purpose of the C24 is to achieve independence in NSGTs-not promote the colonialism of Argentina.
“Committee of 24.”
This committee reports to the UN- as it is not the security council.
“and you roberts, stop colouring your hair.”
If he does, will Rajoy stop colouring his?
As the status of the Falkland Islands has not changed for 180 plus years excepting post 82 when the Governors have lost their former control, and the FIG's powers keep increasing, the effect of the C24 is an impotent one, they are like an irritating fly that is swished away by a fly swat.
If you want the Islands go to the ICJ-they have far more authority than the pointless C24.
http://www.infobae.com/2015/02/23/1628694-el-nuevo-billete-50-las-islas-malvinas-circulara-marzo
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look our new bill that has value of toilet paper.
21 BottyBoyPaulie
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, ha, ha!!! LOSER!!!!!!!
For too long the Falklands have not had a voice to tell you what they REALLY think!!! For too long they have kept a dignified silence while you argies have moaned and whined and threatened and bullied them.
For too long this has happened.
This new boy, Governor Roberts, is a f**king stud, he is a legend.
Tells it like it is, not afraid to mix it up. And now the Falklands has found it's voice guess what? YOU don't like it!! well Boo Hoo!!
You know what else??? I can see Governor Roberts “Telling it like it is” more often so you had better suck it up, 'cos I know 3,000 islanders who really, really don't give a s**t how you feel.
Peace.
pete
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm more bothered about the idle siesta loving parasites in Spain and Argentina funded by the EU to which the UK is now a major contributor.”
the funny thing is that the uk owes spain 317 billion euro, while spain owes the uk 74 billion.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696
not to mention that they have to support +/- 800.000 british parasites living in their country, and i am not counting the macacos in this list.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696
but the best part is that the uk still owes argentina +/- 32.000 million dollars for the food shipments during ww2.
pay your debts, pirates.
30 BottyBoyPaulie
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“but the best part is that the uk still owes argentina +/- 32.000 million dollars for the food shipments during ww2.”
Ha, ha, ha!!! LOSER!!!!!!!
Deflection, deflection, deflection!!!!!
How much do you owe singer?
How much do you still owe the “hold outs”???
and now, how much do you owe China???
Rotting Road Kill, pay YOUR depts!!!!
@20
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Officially, the Falklands are a British Overseas Territory. They have no other status, official or otherwise.
”Adding a third party in the dispute (the FI people) from the british side would be as if Argentina considers that the whole country were defending the people from Province of Tierra del Fuego from a new british invasion. ”
What?
@32
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the UN the islands are a territory administered by the UK but under dispute.
You might know that the islands are officially part of the Tierra del Fuego province so we can add the people of the province as the fourth part.
The prohibition to use their piers are the result of a privincial law. The country has nothing to do with it.
@33 pgerman
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN recognises de facto British sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.
No one, but Argentina, recognises that the Falklands are part of the Tierra del Fuego province because they aren't Argentine territory. Pretending it is doesn't make it so.
So the people of Tierra del Fuego have NO SAY in how the people of the Falkland Islands run their own islands. In fact NO ONE in Argentina has a say in how the people of the Falkland Islands should live and under which sovereignty they should be. Only the people of the Falkland Islands have the right to say that, and they said it loud and clear in March 2013.
Now the UN does recognise a dispute between the UK and Argentina but that is not the same as recognising Argentine sovereignty. The UN would also like a peaceful resolution to the dispute, which is also not the same as recognising Argentine sovereignty.
In fact the UNGA voted against Argentine and Spanish imperialist attempts to remove the right to self-determination from people who live in places that have 'territorial' disputes.
So the UN recognises the right of the people of the Falkland Islands (and Gibraltar) to self determine their own status. I once again direct you to the referendum result of March 2013.
Face it pgerman Argentina's sovereignty claims were based on lies, lies and even more lies. If there was even a hint of truth in them Argentina would've gone to the ONLY body in the world that could order a change of sovereignty: the International Courts of Justice.
And the real truth is, pgerman, that every year that goes by weakens Argentina's already ridiculously weak claims and strengthens the Falklanders right to decide for themselves.
And yet Argentina could've had the Falklands at any time. All Argentina had to do was persuade the majority of the people living in the Falklands that being Argentine would be beneficial to them.
Oh wait, that really would be a piece of fiction, like Argentina's sovereignty claims.
33 pgerman
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No. For the UN, we are a British Overseas Territory under British sovereignty. You just made that bit up.
We are not officially part of Tierra del Fuego province; Argentina made that bit up as well. We are not in any sense part of any bit of Argentina, and we never will be.
If that province considers us to be part of it, then how can it ban us, as a separate entity, from using our own piers? Stupid, stupid nonsense. Get a grip, people.
Perhaps CFK is waiting until CHINA re-arms and equips the argentine military,
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Soldiers, ships, planes, rockets, and satellite communications,
You did know that Argentina wants to participate in the space program did you not,
Then she can have her glorious victory, and sod the cost,
Wanna bet…she is totally loony…
@33
Feb 24th, 2015 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN is not in the business of conferring 'official' status on anything. It recognises the existence of a dispute, which is hardy surprising since Argentina resorted to war and invasion in pursuit of it, but it does not follow from that there exists some status 'territory under dispute' that is conferred by the UN or some organ of the UN on the basis of some process or other. There is no such thing. Whatever recognition there may be comes from individual states, and not the UN acting on their behalf.
I'm sure Argentina can define however it likes how its domestic structures are entitled to patticipate in its national Cult of Grievance. Likewise, whatever domestic arrangements Argentina has for the management of its piers are Argentine's own business, expect insofar as those arrangements may violate treaty and other legal obligations Argentina has entered into (although as we've seen Argentina generally couldn;t care less about these).
By the same token, the relationship between the Falkland Islanders and the metropolitan UK is a matter for the UK, the Falkland Islanders, and international law, and nothing to do with Argentina.
@ HansNiesund
Feb 24th, 2015 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ LEPRecon
@Monty69
Holy crap; how do you do it? You guys must have the patience of Job for arguing with these cement walls.
I think I'd have to dumb myself down for a week to take a decent shot at it (maybe a bag of weed, a bottle of rye and a three Stooges marathon), and I'm not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer to start with.
But God bless you, and keep fighting the good fight (Desire the Right).
Cheers and accolades,
Derke
PS Apologies to the three Stooges. Fine actors all.
32
Feb 24th, 2015 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Officially, the Falklands are a British Overseas Territory. They have no other status, official or otherwise.”
officially for whom, you not too bright isleter?
for the uk?
lol
those islets are territory in dispute, period.
in a pair of years you will have to find another island to squat.
From a 3rd party outside looking in......it sure looks like a one sided dispute. The only it seems to me that Argentina will get the Falkland is if the Queen gives them to Argentina. Any bets.....in dollars please......deposited with a 3rd party.
Feb 24th, 2015 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fifty years...so what's the total cost going to be for the UK.....5 billion is my guess....probably twice that....
Feb 24th, 2015 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get a proper job Roberts....Governor of an overseas territory indeed..sounds archaic...that's because it is....
Cut them loose.....if it's not safe...leave and reside in Britain, after all they are British citizens......
@37
Feb 24th, 2015 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hans we know each other quite well and I know you like to twist things.
The UN called both parties several times to hold meetings to solve the dispute so this means that the islands are a territory under dispute otherwise it wouldn't call for an arragement. Not to mention the regular meetings between both countries before the war to reach an agreement. In addition, in most of the maps world wide both names appear.
As regards the decisions of the province of Tierra del Fuego I would mention as if I were a british public servant: “Only the people of the province have the right to allow the access to their piers. Once they accept ”regular“ and ”normal“ relationships with the islanders we would allow the access to ships comming from the FI. You must reach an agreement with them”.
After all it is a mather of islanders, either form Tierra del Fuego or from the Falklands”
@41
Feb 24th, 2015 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Voice...you are also British
Remember..you were going to vote for independence, spouting “Lest we forget” and shite about the Highland clearances.
But the day before the referendum you shit your pants and realised you couldn't afford it..
LOLLOL.
@42 pgerman
Feb 24th, 2015 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0No the UN only recognises that there is a dispute, nowhere, and I mean nowhere does the UN state that the sovereignty of the Islands MUST be negotiated. All it states is that any dispute is settled peacefully, and any talks that are about the Falkland Islands MUST be done solely with the interests of the Falkland Islanders taken into full account.
This the UK has done time and time again. I've never yet seen any Argentine government release that states it will take the Islanders interests into account. All they do is rehash the same old thing: that the Falklanders can keep their British identity IF they become Argentine...just like the Patagonian Welsh did (honest!).
But the Falklanders are ALREADY British and there is NOTHING that Argentina can offer that is better than what they already have, which is self government with the exception of defence and foreign policy, and the right to self determination, which means they can become fully independent, remain as they are, join with Chile, France, Outer Mongolia or ANY other country if they so wish to do so.
What is certain they will never voluntarily do is join Argentina. And why should they given Argentina's treatment of them.
33 years, pgerman. 33 yrs to build bridges, mend fences and prove to the Islanders that Argentina isn't like the Junta, and in those 33 yrs all Argentina has done is alienate the Islanders further and prove that they are EXACTLY like the Junta regarding the Falklands.
Oh and there are NO islanders in Tierra del Fuego. Tierra del Fuego is a foreign place full of corrupt Argentines. The Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory and no matter how many lies Argentina tells that status is unlikely to change in Argentina's favour.
The next step for the Islanders will be full independence. But they're not in any rush. And why should they be? They have the best of both worlds and by the time they do choose independence Argentina will have already destroyed itself.
Paul
Feb 24th, 2015 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The c24 has nothing to do with territory, it is the completely and totally wrong area of the United Nations.
The C24 is about ensuring self-determination of the people of Non-self Governing territories. Something they abjectly fail to do...so Britain did it on its own.
The area of the UN which settles sovereignty disputes is the International Court of Justice.
Argentina knows this, and is welcome to approach the ICJ at any time for a non-binding guidance.
How huge would that be Paul....the correct body of the UN actually giving a guidance that Argentina is the rightful owner...and it could be done tomorrow.
So why don't Argentina do it? A massive diplomatic coup worth 100 MERCOSUR rants...but Argentina don't go within 1000 miles of the place? why Paul? Why?
Voice = Think sock puppet. They reside in Britain and try to undermine it constantly. Odious people…
Feb 24th, 2015 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Falkland Islands Governor, Colin Roberts, came on stage to suggest that the future of the disputed British Overseas Territory will depend on its people bluntly rejecting any dialogue with the Argentine government.”
Feb 24th, 2015 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said Governor, and so say all of us!
Dialogue with the Argentine Government is clearly out of the question in the face of continual Argentine aggression, whingeing, whining and bullying.
Argentina’s handling of its territorial dispute with Britain over the Falklands will go down as a text book case of how NOT to do things.
Aawww Sh*t!!
Feb 24th, 2015 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0They've gine and issued a malvinas bank note!
How could we have not seen that coming!
Oh god! Now the Falkland Islands really do look like they are owned by argentina.
This is just awful.
Omg what are the Islanders going to do now!!??
Apart from laugh
@33 pgerman,
Feb 24th, 2015 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your silly country can make as many laws as it likes.
And we will just ignore them.
They are nothing to do with us as your writ doesn't run here.
TDF Province is a foreign country & has absolutely NO jurisdiction over us at all.
IF Argentina had ANY claim at all, you would have gone to the ICJ long, long ago.
That you haven't shows me that even you realise that you no rights here.
Tired of arguing with you indoctrinated idiots.
From now on, l think l'll just laugh at your ridiculous posts.
Even you must realise by now, that you will never get OUR Falklands unless we want you to.
And guess what?, we DON'T want you, in ANY form at all.
Losers
@42
Feb 24th, 2015 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, pg, but pointing out your factual errors and logical inconsistencies isn't twisting. You're suggesting that there is some official status of “disputed territory” attributed by the UN, and I say there is no such official status and no mechanism for attributing it. Prove me wrong.
As for Tierra Del Fuego, I'm sure the FIG would have no problem dealing directly with the authorities there, but Argentina is somehow under the impression that it can dictate that everything that happens in the Falklands Islands has to be handled through London.
Needless to say, it is not up to Argentina to dictate British constitutional arrangement, and the only possible responses to this arrogant pretension all end in “Off!”.
Forgive me for #41. Some days when I wake I must choose between a arrogance, a fool or an idiot. Guess my recent choice?
Feb 24th, 2015 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16. Wow. 'We all know that without armed forces our neighbours will invade us. The World keeps on being a dangerous place.' Who's that then? Urineguay? Paraguay? Bolivia? Chile? Perhaps if you didn't try to impose yourself on your neighbours? Pollution in the Uruguay River? Comes from argieland. Undemocratic actions in Paraguay? What does argieland know about democracy? A good 'democratic' principle is not to interfere in the domestic operation of another sovereign state. Bolivia? Who cares? Chile has never shown any intention of attacking argieland. Although it has good reasons. Victims again?
Feb 24th, 2015 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20. 'Officially'? Who or what is the 'official'? The UK has no 'dispute' with argieland. Argieland is just ignored. The Falklands don't have a dispute because argieland don't recognise that they exist. Are you talking about the United Nations? But the Falkland Islands aren't a member of the UN. So the UN has no jurisdiction. No 'dispute' then, is there?
@21. Such a child. Or a Gollum. I wants it, it's a precious.
Here's a tip, dickhead. The Falkland Islands are not a member of the UN or any of those other 'names'. The UN has no legal jurisdiction. Moreover, as pointed out many wearisome times, General Assembly resolutions are non-binding. Think that you can get that into the space between your ears? I know it will echo and reverberate, but there's nothing else in there.
I'm a British taxpayer. Tough as it might make my life, I'll pay whagt it takes to annihilate argieland.
GOT IT?
Incidentally, paedo faggot prick, there is no such thing as a 'bedroom tax'. Now go outside and shovel your shit off your doorstep.
@25. I think it's more likely to be Pauly the paedo! I might be mistaken. Pauly the shemale? Pauly the hermaphrodite?
@26. 'Warmongers'? Who talks about invading?
@30. Sorry. We only pay legal debts. That requires the creditor to be legitimate. Who's cock are you sliding on?
@33. So if we nuke Tierra del Fuego?
@39. Two years? But you'll be dead by then!
“”“For the UN the islands are a territory administered by the UK but under dispute.”“”
Feb 24th, 2015 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find that you made that up... or some other manipulated fool made it up so as to convince other weak-willed fools to believe that it is true.
If you want “Official” then grab some legal documentation where it includes the Falklands..os .. such as EU legislation maybe?
So, until you can go to the international court and get a legal statement saying otherwise - there is no such thing as “officially in dispute” with the UN, as the UN goes by international law.
Sorry dude.. but you made it up.. yet more “iwshful thinking” like the infamous (and imaginary) Gaucho Rivero “revolt” nee “fighting the invaders”..
Didnt happen... made up by Argentina, a media-created and government backed fraud..
Or, by a more common name: a big fat LIE.
41@
Feb 24th, 2015 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so what's the total cost going to be for the UK.....5 billion is my guess....probably twice that....
How much do you think Argentina has spent getting something it will never get.
Pgerman- TDF and shipping? Are you still under the fantasy dream that you have impeded shipping from travelling between Ushuaia in TDF and Stanley in Falkland Islands?
Feb 24th, 2015 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Several cruise vessels a week in both directions is the reality!!Hell we even have one comes several times, operated with an Argentine crew called the “Ushuaia” - she is due in again tomorrow in fact - and guess what courtesy flag she flies whilst in our waters?
Your lot gave up trying to impeded cruise vessels about 2 yrs ago when it all blew up in your faces and big liners cancelled Argentina instead.
@33 pgerman
Feb 25th, 2015 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You might know that the islands are officially part of the Tierra del Fuego province ”
If that's the case, how many laws made in TDF are in practice and obeyed in the Falkland Islands? What side of the road do Terra Del Fuegans drive on?
it seems this piece of shite conqueror is obsessed with cocks, dicks and stuff.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0i know most of you were gay or something, but not at this level.
the poor thing must be the queen of queers, the gayest gay, the supreme faggot of the whole islet, and considering the contenders, that is a lot.
l thought that you were Gay, paulcedron?
Feb 25th, 2015 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please tell me l'm not wrong.
l've built a mental picture of you in pink leotards & a frilly see-through blouse with violet flowers embroided on it.
Oh the disappointment if you are not.
You are, aren't you? pauli-kins?
You can tell Mummy,
l won't breathe a word……
ha ha ..
Feb 25th, 2015 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0isolda
Feb 25th, 2015 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“l've built a mental picture of you in pink leotards & a frilly see-through blouse with violet flowers embroided on it.”
the stalker strikes again, eh isolda?
and then you say you are not obsessed with me...LOL.
now, it is funny cause i built exactly the same mental picture of you.
anyway, i will be visiting the stinky islets in a pair of months, more or less.
hope you wear your sexiest outfit for the ocassion, isolda.
@60 paulcedron,
Feb 25th, 2015 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well we will never know will we, paulibaby.
As l don't believe that you could afford the fare to the Falklands.
But l suppose that you can google pictures of OUR lslands.
Poor, poor pauliboy
isolda.. isolda...
Feb 25th, 2015 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now i realize that you have some fantasies with me wearing those clothes, no?
not a prob, then.
but you will have to suit some conditions too.
see you in 2 months approx.
do not despair my sweetest isolda
road to independence possible,
Feb 25th, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if only Argentina would disappear...
Oh do be quiet, paulcedron, you are frightening the children/dogs/cats/birds/sheep.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop being such an idiot.
Lovely piece of homophobic and sexist clap-trap from penguin-cedron today.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations on reaching a new 'low'.
Thank the stars you don't live in the modern world, you would feel very uncomfortable.
65
Feb 26th, 2015 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0modern world?
says a benny who lives in a shack in the middle of a stinky islet...LOL
so why do you want his shack so badly then?
Feb 26th, 2015 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0re nthe cost most of the kit and people would be doing something else military wise anyway so b it of training out of the way and the Falklands ideal for low flying as not many people live their
At least its a FREE shack,
Feb 26th, 2015 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argies are such poor losers...
@58 Isolde
Mar 01st, 2015 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“l thought that you were Gay, paulcedron?
Please tell me l'm not wrong.”
Chuckle, very funny.
It amuses me even more that if Pablo could afford the trip, he would still spend a good deal of his 'pocket money' while he's on the Islands - money that goes to the island economy.
I bet he thinks he will be able to roam freely, but we know he will miss the best parts, and his expensive hired driver and minder, will make sure learns to use the toilet properly.
Pablo, you can find out first hand about currency exchange - no pesos are accepted on the island!!
LOL!!
God it seems the Argentinean educwtuon system strikes again.
Mar 01st, 2015 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is not the first time someone has tried to twist the UN into recognising Argentina's sovereignty claim.
In simple terms:
* The UN solely recognises de facto and de jure British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
* The UN does not recognised de facto nor de jure Argentinean sovereignty over any of their claims.
* The UN does not adjudicate sovereignty claims, like Argentina's, between member states. It can only request member states find a solution themselves.
* The UN recognises an Argentinean sovereignty claim exists. This does not confer any rights or bolster Argentina's claim. To give an example of how little such recognition means, it pays to remember that the UK also RECOGNISES that Argentina has made a claim.
Doesn't mean that the UK accepts it nor do they grant Argentina any rights.
It is very irresponsible for any British government official to talk this way when they know the UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years.
Mar 01st, 2015 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 071 Hepatia
Mar 01st, 2015 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will be economically and politically controlled by China on 25 years
Justice for NISMAN!!
ARGENTINA pay your debts!!
The ever moving 25 year window, 2 years ago:
Mar 01st, 2015 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years.”
2 years later:
“the UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years.”
The brains trust at work!
@71 Hepatia,
Mar 01st, 2015 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wishing this will not make it so.
As Troy says, Argentina will be a Chinese colony in 25years time.
Or maybe not even exist.
And they are doing it all themselves.
#71
Mar 01st, 2015 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it not about time that you got a new mantra ? The one you have been using for years is getting a bit hackneyed.
How about Argentina will be a colony of China in 25 years.
The wheels are in motion for this to come to pass.
71 Hepatia @ mr soppy
Mar 01st, 2015 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you brainwashed never learn,
you will be very lucky to survive the Chinese onslaught
let alone taking the Falkland's
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/02/23/falklands-governor-says-road-to-independence-possible-rejects-dialogue-with-argentina#comment383296: Possibly but not likely. But, no doubt, the economic and political influence of the PRC will increase over time, including in the several American countries.
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, this is irrelevant because the return of the Malvinas within the next 25 years by the UK is invariant upon the state of relations between the PRC and Argentina.
Surely Hepatia can't believe Argentina will fully control it's own determinatiom, let alone control the destiny of the Falklands?
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ironically for Hepatia, Argentine autonomy won't last 25 years.
Think about it.
#77
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Don't be ridiculous, Hepatia.
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0ln 25 years time, Argentina will cease to exist.
Will probably be broken up into squabbling states, controlled by China of course.
Paraguay will get its stolen land back & there may even be a native Amerindian nation in Patagonia.
77@
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0please tell us your brainwashed,
or an escapee from the loony bin.
Hep c do you all insist “the next 25 years” because none of you will be around when that date comes and goes? In 25 years Argentina will be West Beijing and the South American population will be two inches shorter than they already are.
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@71
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is very irresponsible for any British government official to talk this way when they know the UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years.”
Time you replaced that record or got a new needle, as it appears to be scratched.
If Argentina lived up to it image it would probably have the islands and the islanders would be happy to be part of a rich successful democratic country.
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately its poor corrupt with an appalling history of miss management and bad decisions so the islanders are right to want nothing to do with you.
The garrison is as small as the UK can get away while making it impossible for Argentina to even think of invading
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/02/23/falklands-governor-says-road-to-independence-possible-rejects-dialogue-with-argentina#comment383426: We have been down this trail before. The UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years. It will do this because it will perceive an overriding interest to do so. It will not be compelled by Argentina to do this. In fact Argentina will not be involved in the decision to return the territory in any manner.
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From your posts it is easy to observe that you are insufficiently endowed with the attributes of insight and comprehension to be able to predict the future of the UK as it may present in a year's time let alone that of country which is on a continent, far from your own, within 25 years hence. You are a person on which life acts, not a person that acts upon life. You are like a cow, who having been artificially inseminated, is now pregnant. You are vaguely aware that something is occurring but how important it is or what it is you cannot say.
. The UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years. It will do this because it will perceive an overriding interest to do so. It will not be compelled by Argentina to do this. In fact Argentina will not be involved in the decision to return the territory in any manner
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0////////////////////
ha ha ha ho ho ho he he he ,
carry on you are killing us laughing....
Argentina will belong to the Chinese within 25 years.
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will not be involved in the decision , in any manner, to let China have control.
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/02/23/falklands-governor-says-road-to-independence-possible-rejects-dialogue-with-argentina#comment383617: In which case the Malvinas will be under the control of either the PRC or the US - depending on how this very unlikely scenario comes about. In either case the UK will have returned Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 088 Hep C
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can't account for your stand, can you?
You are anti-British, that's all.
Even you admit, Argentina will belong to China, within 25 years.
@85Hepatia
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ It will do this because it will perceive an overriding interest to do so.”
The UK cannot hand the Falklands to Argentina unless the islanders vote for it, even if the UK considers it in it's interests to do so.
Even at the height of it's madness in the 1960s and 1970s when the UK Foreign office wanted to hand the Falklands to Argentina, the provisions of the United Nations charter on self determination prevented the UK from doing so without the consent of the people born on the Islands.
“From your posts it is easy to observe that you are insufficiently endowed with the attributes of insight and comprehension to be able to predict the future of the UK as it may present in a year's time let alone that of country which is on a continent, far from your own, within 25 years hence.”
From your posts it is easy to observe that you have no conviction in your own prediction that the UK is going to give the Falkland Islands to Argentina in 25 years time.
You have not even got the insight that you accuse other posters of lacking as every year you proclaim that the Falklands will be handed over to Argentina in 25 years.
Your predictions would have some vague credibility if you mentioned that this transfer would take place in 23 years time as you predicted 'in 25 years time' 2 years ago.
So according to your 'transfer' timescale mentioned 2 years ago, by next year you should be predicting a transfer to Argentina in 22 years time, but your prediction will be for 25 years in 2016, 2017, 2018 , 2030 or 2050- you don't have a basic insight into Mathematics- do you work for INDEC?
IN 1968 an underhand plot by the UK government to hand over the Falklands to Argentina was unveiled. Parliament was appalled.
That was when the Islands were controlled by the governor, but you ' are insufficiently endowed with the attributes of insight and comprehension to be able to' workout that despite titular ownership, HMG will not transfer sovereignty of the FI.
@89 Troy Tempest,
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hepatia has proved by his/her/its remarks that she(was told its a she, but who knows?)is virulently anti-British.
This 25 years song is just designed to be irritating.
Anyway, when does the countdown start?
lts been 25 years now for the past 2 years that l remember.
Well, China can have the “malvinas” if they can find them.
We'll keep the Falklands, thank you very much, Hepatia.
See you in 25 years time(when we'll STILL own the Falklands, or they'll be an independent country)& l guess you'll STILL be predicting an Argentine takeover “within the next 25 years”, snigger, snigger.
88 Hepatia
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are you the 3rd version and the latest upgrade,
apparently the other two Hepatia were using old technology.
lolol
#88 Mildre Castillo why not enlighten us and tell us how it will happen in 25 years? Maybe Mexico will help them? Doubtful.
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps the south Atlantic Squid will come to her aid...lol
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2015/02/23/falklands-governor-says-road-to-independence-possible-rejects-dialogue-with-argentina#comment383654: Yes, I am aware of what the UK government say. And they are being irresponsible and disingenuous when they say what they do when they know that they will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 095 Hep C
Mar 04th, 2015 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have special knowledge that nobody else does??
No, of course not.
However, Argentina WILL belong to the Chinese in less than 25 years.
No your not getting them in 25 years or a hundred years it would be poltical suicide to hand over the islands the UK fought for.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0especially to a poor weak corrupt country .
the Fig have the last say an as for a threat
http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/04/the-falkland-islands-and-our-pants/.
Sums it up,perfectly.
Sack you politicions cut down on corrupttion you have a potentially rich country but you need to give your an elite a slap educate your people and grow up.
#95
Mar 04th, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0One flaw in your prognosis. Unlike Argie proto dictatorships, a UK government only lasts for 5 years so you are second guessing what an unknown form of government will do in your mythical 25 years. We could have a military dictatorship by then for all I know and YOU know even less.
@97
Mar 04th, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great link.
Thank you.
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