MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Malvinas' 50-Peso bill, an Argentine stunt, says Foreign Office minister
Britain derided a new Argentine banknote featuring the disputed Falkland Islands as a stunt on Tuesday and said it had no intention of discussing sovereignty over the archipelago with Buenos Aires. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGood on yer, Swire!
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahaha! How much, how much - diddly squat and decreasing.....
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Top Gear!
Of course its a stunt, we knew that , Britain knew that , the whole world knew that it was just a brain washing exercise just ask the silly argies...lol
Mar 04th, 2015 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0”It's worth a whopping 3.72 pounds ($6) according to today's exchange rate,“ he added. ”And I think it probably has the equivalent political value“.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fine British wit.
And the whole world laughs at Argenteena and their £3 note.
lol!
Just another joke from the bitch in the casa rosada. She hates Argentina and created a currency/energy crisis. When everyone wants dollars she puts Evita and Malvinas on the currency to laugh at latin americans.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0She only wishes to fill her silk-lined pockets.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hopefully justice will arrive before she can escape to Cuba.
A sovereignty claim without a case can only be described as an illegitimate claim and worthless.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.academia.edu/10490336/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims
The inconvenient truths:
Mar 04th, 2015 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 01) no inheritance from Spain...the entire Spanish population left, none of them became Argentine
2) no usurption the only eviction was of the crew of the Sarandi, six weeks after their arrival
3) no territorial integrity....the nearest part of Argentina was over 1000 miles away in 1833
4) UN recognises self determination of people from all NSGTs.
Hahahahahaha
”There would be no sovereignty talks with Argentina in line with the Islanders' own wishes”
Mar 04th, 2015 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Finally the FCO is giving a clear and unequivocal message.
The wishes of the Falkland Islanders are the only important people in this.
Now we need to officially remove all BOT's from the C24 listing.
If Argentina does not like that then they can go to the ICJ.
@9 zathras,
Mar 04th, 2015 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0No,
lf Argentina does not like that then they can go to hell.
Losers.
Let's face it, it's about the most dubious excuse for quantitative easing that I've come across. Although it does have to be said that most people are too busy laughing at it to notice that Argentina has started printing a whole load more cash (which won't do even their official (Mickey Mouse) inflation rate any good, let alone the real rate).
Mar 04th, 2015 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0”It's worth a whopping 3.72 pounds ($6) according to today's exchange rate,“ he added. ”And I think it probably has the equivalent political value“.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's good to see some plain speaking from the British Foreign Office on this issue. Not surprisingly, the FO comments closely mirror many of the comments from (sensible) posters on this page and are refreshingly honest.
Argentina’s increasingly desperate and bizarre tactics over its colonial ambitions in the South Atlantic are getting beyond just being a bad joke. They will pull any stunt, tell any amount of lies, align themselves with some of the worst regimes on the planet to try and garner some support for their fraudulent territorial claims. But, what they steadfastly refuse to do is the right thing: take their claim to the one body that can substantiate it – the ICJ. They also need to acknowledge the legitimacy of the Falkland Islanders and start treating them with respect. Minting almost worthless banknotes with a map of a territory that doesn’t belong to them is not the way to go.
Argentina’s appalling behaviour towards the Islanders demonstrates that they are not worthy of the Falklands and that they are just a bunch of cowards.
100-Peso bill
Mar 04th, 2015 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently they will appear with a picture of China on the front
and her head on the rear....lol
It does still buy a MacRey “ Cajita del Rey ” combo , but I don't know for how much longer .
Mar 04th, 2015 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://mac-rey.com/cajita-feliz/
@8. You missed the most important one. 'Uti possidetis'. Look it up. What you 'possess' at the end of an armed conflict is yours. All your points are quite reasonable, but unnecessary. The Islands belong to Britain because they do. And because 1,200 (approx) British troops, 4 combat aircraft, a patrol vessel and a destroyer/frigate say so. And, if argies want to argue, they might like to think that, from time to time, the British troops will include Gurkhas!
Mar 04th, 2015 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9. And the relevance of the C24 is what? Does this minor UN organ think it has relevance? Why doesn't the C24 go to the ICJ?
@12. Your comment is far too sensible for argies.
Our Peso is a stunt.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0TDC, the joke that keeps us laughing!
Mar 04th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0”The note features a map of the Falklands, 450 kilometers off the Argentine coast and over 12.000 kilometers from Britain“
Mar 04th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0exactly.
well said swire.
that´s the key issue.
450 km and 12.000 km
””There would be no sovereignty talks with Argentina in line with the Islanders' own wishes”,
but...they are squatters.
who the fuck cares about their “own wishes”, lol.
not even the british taxpayer, you twat.
in fact, they are the most interested in getting rid of those parasites.
I do wish Mercopress would stop referring to the Falkland Island as “disputed”. The dispute lies with one party alone and not with the other two.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”It's worth a whopping 3.72 pounds ($6) according to today's exchange rate,“ he added. ”And I think it probably has the equivalent political value“.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha
Best. Burn. Ever.
@19 Quite right. The UNGA hasn't even mentioned 'dispute' for 30 years. Argentina seems to be caught in a time warp.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0””There would be no sovereignty talks with Argentina in line with the Islanders' own wishes”,
Mar 04th, 2015 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well said=end of.
Hey Pauline, not got anything to say on the other thread about the EU funding for the Falklands...Trolls very thin on the ground, I am sure you read the comments, yet nothing from you, Think or any of the others except Marco with a quick distraction hit and run. But I will fill you in here as you seem to be able to see this thread.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We were discussing how 78 democratic nations have recognised the Falklands as a BOT, but Argentina say no one supports the Falkland Islanders and everyone in the world supports Argentina claim. Any thoughts Pauline....
Oh and Mr Swire didn't say...”The note features a map of the Falklands, 450 kilometers off the Argentine coast and over 12.000 kilometers from Britain“, that was mercopress describing the note. But hey don't let the truth get in the way of a great story...you haven't in the past so why start now.
No little Pauly YOU are the squatters, ask a Mapuche, you all came from Spain and Club Med countries and then murdered the original inhabitants and renamed it Argieland. Its all on that 100 Peso note, which is only worth about a fiver. The Falklanders came from all Britain and all over years and years before your country even existed.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway you are all Chinamen now. As the Duke said, careful eating too much rice and noodles you know what can happen... |-(
the voice of ignorance
Mar 04th, 2015 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not a surprise when the voice of ignorance posts bullshite, no?
los mapuches are originally from chile, you not too bright isleter.
they massacred our beloved local indigenous the tehuelches, onas, ranqueles, etc.
so we do not have a shite to ask to the mapuches.
now, being you an english wannabe, it is a bit funny from you to talk about massacres and killings.
your ancestors have killed 3/4 parts of the original population of africa, australia, north america, india, and the list goes on.
and the 1/4 remaining was ensalved.
and YOU, for not losing the tradition, have massacred +/- 5 million penguins in the stinky islets.
you should rot in jail.
What a vivid imagination this idiot child at 25 has!
Mar 04th, 2015 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Mar 04th, 2015 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“but...they are squatters.”
No, they're not - those you slander as squatters live there with the permission and blessings of the legitimate holders of sovereignty, and their ancestors have done so since 1833.
That makes them the *legitimate inhabitants* of the Falkland Islands.
“ who the fuck cares about their “own wishes”, lol.”
The legitimate holder of sovereignty of course. That's why said nation supported their legal, free and fair referendum that resulted in their self-determination and decolonisation (despite what dishonest people say).
@18 Pablo - the quacking duck of indoctrination
Mar 04th, 2015 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”“ who the fuck cares about their “own wishes”, lol.”
Well, the UN does.
Any problem with that?
“but...they are squatters.”
Mar 04th, 2015 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paco, they are as much squatters as the non indigenous people in South America are. They only major difference is that the people on the Falklands did not annihilate the existing people on the island when they arrived, do you know why?
BECAUSE THERE WERE NO PEOPLE ON THE ISLAND.
Paul are you indigenous.....or a Spaniard mutt?
...A cunning stunt by the South American stunning c**t
Mar 04th, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 The UN believes that self-determination applies to 'implanted populations' based on the Caribbean territories on the list of NSGTs such as Anguilla where 90% of the population is descended from the Atlantic slave trade. Similarly, the British, the American Virgin islands, Turks and Caicos all have large black populations. The UN clearly believes that these territories have the right to self-determination as it did with numerous Caribbean nations that have achieved independence after WW2.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0clearly, the 'they are just squatters and have no rights' is just a sound bite for the halfwits who still believe in 'the great Malvinas lie.'
@18 paulie
Mar 04th, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If we're being picky about it, the UK is in fact slightly closer to Norway than the Falkland Islands are to Argentina, does that mean that in your mind we should return to the Danelaw?
Another interesting coincidence is that the Capitol Building in Washington DC is also fractionally closer to the Canadian border than the Falkland Islands are to Argentina. Does that mean that the Canadians can justifiably burn it down again?
The Canaries: 60 Atlantic-miles off Morocco - Spanish - no problem.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands: 450 Atlantic-miles off Argentina - Brit. Protectorate - constant stupidity from Argentina; protected by the UK.
Madagascar: 250 miles off Mozambique - ex-French independent - peaceful.
And many, many more examples (Oh, how many more times!)
That old proximity chestnut.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Martín García Island (Spanish: Isla Martín García) is an Argentine island in the Río de la Plata. The island is in Uruguayan waters
@ Paulito
Mar 04th, 2015 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And exactly how far away from Southern Italy are the Islands.
Where most of the recently implanted population of Argentina comes from.
Free Patagonia, arm the Mapuche, at least they are native to S. America unlike the Creole planter invaders from the north (ern hemisphere).
Never mind, it will soon be cheaper to wipe your arse with these notes than buy toilet paper, if you can find any to buy that is.
No Islands, no balls, no (proper) bog paper and no hope.
Another fine mess you’ve gotten yourselves into.
@18
Mar 04th, 2015 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“but...they are squatters.”
Impossible-no settlers were forced to leave their houses in 1833, they were allowed to stay, and no British sailors were off loaded from HMS Tyne and HMS |Clio.
Squatting can only take place if someone else removes you from your house and moves into it.
In 1833 no settlers were made to leave and no British sailors left the ships to take over any houses, empty or occupied.
So no squatters.
Paulito, you do have a poor grasp of history but that's not surprising because if your school was one of those where they brainwash the pupils with Mal Vinas lies, its not surprising. I was talking to a group of Kenyans today. Without any pe
Mar 04th, 2015 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0prompting from me they said their country was a much better place when the British were there. Thats the same story you hear again and again about our former colonies, And, its the same thing with Argentina when the British ran it it was one of the wealthiest places on earth. Now, its a bankrupt criminal basket case where you are printing money and living in Villa Miserias without power, water and sanitation. It must be soooo awful. Enjoy.....
@25 paulcedron
Mar 04th, 2015 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please provide EVIDENCE to support these claims
“being you an english wannabe, it is a bit funny from you to talk about massacres and killings.
your ancestors have killed 3/4 parts of the original population of africa, australia, north america, india, and the list goes on.
and the 1/4 remaining was ensalved.”
Proof and evidence paulie. Just because you say something doesn't make it true. Oh and what does ensalved mean?
And while we're on the subject of Africa can you tell us what happened to ALL of the African slaves that were in Argentina in the 19th century?
The British freed the slaves.
The Americans freed the slaves.
The French freed the slaves.
The Dutch freed the slaves.
The Spanish freed the slaves.
The Uruguayans freed the slaves.
The Chileans freed the slaves.
The Brazilians freed the slaves.
The Argentines MURDERED the slaves rather than let them go free - see your worthless money where you celebrate the genocide of the natives and the murder of the African slaves.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, paulie, and Argentina is a very large glass house with lots of broken windows.
People,
Mar 04th, 2015 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0feeding paulcedron is like trying to talk to a dog,
it wolfs it barks , it wines , it whimpers,
its your best friend,
but would you keep arguing with it,
woof woof lolol
@39 Briton
Mar 04th, 2015 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is an insult to dogs everywhere to compare them to paulcedron. Dogs are honest, obedient and loyal friends.
paulcedron is a troll and I will challenge every single one of his lies every single time he posts them.
paukcedron is just another Troll.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 041. I don't know why anyone bothers responding to his nonsense.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do think it is funny that these types come and go so often. They start out normal and somewhat reasonable then go completely bonkers.
He has something mentally wrong with him
I wouldn't waste any time on his craziness.
38
Mar 04th, 2015 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LEPelotudo
The British invented modern slave trade.
It was its most important economic activity.
As for the black population of Argentina, most of them were killed in the Guerra de la Triple Alianza, which was intentionally provoked by...Britain, you ignoramus.
Now read and learn the Paraguayan perspective
http://www.portalguarani.com/448_juan_carlos_herken_krauer/9115_gran_bretana_y_la_guerra_de_la_triple_alianza__juan_carlos_herken_krauer_y_maria_isabel_gimenez_de_herken_.html
or listen to an Arrgentine historian, and you will find that both parts agree in that, you asshole.
http://www.portalguarani.com/448_juan_carlos_herken_krauer/9115_gran_bretana_y_la_guerra_de_la_triple_alianza__juan_carlos_herken_krauer_y_maria_isabel_gimenez_de_herken_.html
I forgot that you were a hopeless monoglot, learn foreign languages if you can you retard.
50 Pesos-what can you get with that? Argentine historian? - thats an oxymoron! As for retards, there is only one retard here, guess who? 50 Pesos, a Lama perhaps?
Mar 04th, 2015 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 044
Mar 05th, 2015 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0lama?
and what the fuck is that?
dalai lama?
try not to speak a foreign language when you cannot even speak your own, you retard.
45
Mar 05th, 2015 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0don't talk about money, when you can't pay yer bills!
Justice for Nisman!!
Argentina will belong to China within 25 years!!
#38 LEPRecon
Mar 05th, 2015 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's interesting that the Assembly of the Year XIII (1813) abolished the slavery in the United Provinces of the Rio de la Plata.
”The Freedom of Wombs (Libertad de vientres) law, which put an end to slavery, was passed (it dictated that children born from slaves since the passing of the law were automatically free citizens).” (Wiki).
In addition, all titles of nobility (from the colonial period) were voided and suppressed.
The Spanish Inquisition and the practice of torture were abolished.
The last (legal) execution in Argentina took place in 1916. A new penal code approved in 1922 does not contain death penalty provisions.
It is true that torture and illegal executions continued to take place in the country. But that's another story altogether.
@32 Rufus (replying to @18 paulcedron) :
Mar 05th, 2015 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If we´re being picky about it, the UK is in fact slightly closer to Norway than the Falklands Islands are to Argentina, does that mean that in your mind we should return to the Danelaw?”
“PAULIE” (@18) had reproduced the information: '.. a map of the Falklands, 450 Km off the Argentine coast, and more than 12,000 Km from Britain.', and he commented: “...that´s the key issue : 450 Km., and 12.000 Km”.
Now, if Mr. Rufus is fond of finding “COINCIDENCES”, as he tells us, it strikes me as only fair to point out the key DIFFERENCE between both situations:
THAT ARGENTINA (12,000 Km.away) HAS NEVER EXERTED DOMAIN ON UK.
#48
Mar 05th, 2015 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only because Argentina is so weak and incapable that it can't exert force over a mild-mannered penguin. Let alone a whole country.
Ha ha!
@43 paulie
Mar 05th, 2015 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0No the British did not invent the slave trade, modern or otherwise, they tapped into a market that was already there, idiot. It doesn't make it right.
Another thing that you also 'conveniently' forget is that it was the British that abolished the trade in African slaves, and forced other countries (such as Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands etc...) to comply with this ban.
In fact the UK and USA almost went to war because the RN were intercepting slave ships heading for the Americas.
As for most of the black population being killed in the war of the triple alliance, it was Argentina that forced the blacks to fight with promises of freedom and land, then left them to die. It was a planned genocide from the rapidly racist Argentines who had a 'whitening' policy in the 19th century.
Even those today in Argentina that are descended from the few remaining blacks, who were forced through the genocidal 'whitening' policy to mate with whites, are not referred to as black, but as white.
http://www.victorsodyssey.com/2012/02/13/negros-en-argentina-no-hay-the-whitening-of-argentina-part-2-of-3/
http://www.victorsodyssey.com/2012/02/13/negros-en-argentina-no-hay-the-whitening-of-argentina-part-2-of-3/
http://www.victorsodyssey.com/2012/02/13/negros-en-argentina-no-hay-the-whitening-of-argentina-part-2-of-3/
Regarding the war of the triple alliance, paulie, you do realise that the British assisted Argentina during that war, don't you? Why are you slagging off your allies of that time?
Pathetic much? Just like your worthless new 50 peso note.
@46 Troy Tempest,
Mar 05th, 2015 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina will belong to China within 25 years”
l like it!
Why didn't l think of that?
43 paulcedron (#)
Mar 05th, 2015 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British invented modern slave trade.
who then invented ancient slavery ,
who invented old slavery,
history lesson is needed again,
1, slavery was around before Britannia ever existed,
2, Britain abolished slavery
3, slavery today is common in some eastern and African countries
4, I suggest you read real history, rather than the kids books in argie libraries.
@43
Mar 05th, 2015 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul, the Portuguese started the modern slave trade and accounted for most of the slaves imported to the “new world.” Please stop lying. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
@47
Enrique, Slavery was not abolished in Argentina until 1853, please stop lying. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
It seems that most nations across the world have kept slaves and domesticated animals over more than 2,500 years - a long history.
Mar 05th, 2015 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps 2/3 of the world's population has been enslaved *for centuries* - since the days of Gilgamesh.
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/True_Negros/Assorted/The_History_of_Slavery.htm
It is obvious to me that the Falklands population has never suffered slavery.
It is obvious to me that Argentina lost its black population; but this is not slavery or its abolishment. It was ethnic cleansing.
46 Troy Tempest:
Mar 05th, 2015 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually Troy, our country already belongs to China, the Witch of Tolosa has already sold us out!!!!!
@43 These crimes and wars you keep dragging up happened in the 1800's and earlier, it's in the past, it's history, get over it you moron, stop living in the past. Yes Britain had an empire, yes Britain enslaved people, but so did the Romans, so did the Egyptians, and Argentina doesn't exactly have the cleanest track record for human rights, in fact most of South America has committed crimes against humanity at some point in history.
Mar 05th, 2015 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't hurt yourself when you get off your high horse lol.
56
Mar 05th, 2015 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0brainless
not by chance your nickname is brainless, eh??
british crimes, british war crimes, and stuff are being committed right now, you brainless.
and never forget those marvelous concentration camps the british created in the boer wars.
was that before 1800, you ignoramus?
@Paulito
Mar 05th, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alternatively the British could have left the Boer women and children to fend for themselves in isolated and undefended farms, scattered across a Veld which was crawling with deserters, renegades and opportunist brigands of every kind.
Then when they had all been wiped out, marched in “Conquest of the Desert” style, like you did in Patagonia and TDF.
Anyway, irrespective of the rights and wrongs of what may or may not happened elsewhere and in the past, the issue here is what Argentina is trying to do here and now, in the S. Atlantic.
Which is, trying to build an empire on land and sea that does not belong to you.
Unlike Atahualpa and the Mapuche, the British have more than just bows and arrows with which to defend their territory.
You on the other hand, don't even have any balls.
48 Argfellow
Mar 05th, 2015 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”THAT ARGENTINA (12,000 Km.away) HAS NEVER EXERTED DOMAIN ON UK.“
Yes, it has.
You invaded and occupied British territory twice 1833 and 1982 for the purposes of imposing sovereignty.
55 Simon68
My true apologies and sympathies.
I am sorry that the Argentine people have been sold out by their INSANE president and CORRUPT PERONIST government.
I am wanting to show other readers, that HEPATIA and the other indoctrinated Malvinistas are making wild unfounded predictions, compared to the reality of Argentia's own destiny.
Thank you for showing the perspective of those who live there.
57 Pablo - I never think for myself- Cedrone
Another DISTRACTION, Pablo??
Another attempt to rationalise your prejudices???
You do realise that all this happened over 100 years ago, right?
And nobody is proud of the Boer War.
You are a mindless jealous English-hater.
”Concentration camps“?
Nice buzzword- do you understand the context?
You believe too much propaganda- we showed you links successfully refuting this image, but you chose to disregard that.
The camps were an ill-fated attempt for displaced Boer families to be fed and housed after the destruction of their farms - they were not an instrument of racial extermination, like the reviled work camps of your beloved Nazi friends.
http://www.angloboerwar.com/other-information/88-concentration-camps/1832-concentration-camps-introduction
http://www.angloboerwar.com/other-information/88-concentration-camps/1832-concentration-camps-introduction
Perhaps Britain should have followed the example of Argentina in Patagonia - genocide of the AmerIndians, and using blacks in the front ranks as ”cannon-fodder“ during the war to crush inconvenient Paraguay. Very effective way to eliminate their race in Argentina, where a ”whitening” policy was in effect.
Pablo - you are living proof that racism is still prevalent in Argentina, today.
Your Malvinas Campsign only demonstrates your ongoing hate for other ethnicities.
@57 The first Boer war was fought from 16 December 1880 until 23 March 1881, the second was fought from 11 October 1899 until 31 May 1902, so they both started in the 1800's and the second finished shortly after. You are sooooo fucking stupid LOL.
Mar 05th, 2015 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhhh what crimes are Britain committing right now? Name some, please enlighten me. The Iraq war perhaps? Or our participation against ISIS? Ummmmmm you surely can't forget the Chagos Islanders and their displacement, hopefully self determination will prevail and they will get their homes back.
But at the end of the day I don't really care to be honest, Britain is and always will be a better, and more developed country than Argentina. But you're not actually Argentine anyway, aren't you Peruvian? lol
You are not a pilot, a surfer or an architect, and like I have requested before, please crawl into a hole and never leave it.
imbeciles
Mar 05th, 2015 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you don't even deserve a response for each one of you, you retards, so i will answer all the bullshite you lot have posted in general.
so for you, band of brainwashed bennys, the concentration camps during the boer wars were some kind of nursing home to protect the old, kids and women?
and all your “source of information” is a 4th class site which belongs to 3 (three) english wankers?
the boer wars was an attempt to exterminate...the boers, you pelotudos.
now lets see what the fuck were those concentration camps and who the fuck was “lord” kitchener:
“Some 28,000 Boers perished in Kitchener's concentration camps -- nearly all of them women and children.”
”A report after the war concluded that 27,927 Boers (of whom 22,074 were children under 16) and 14,154 black Africans had died of starvation, disease and exposure in the concentration camps. In all, about 25% of the Boer inmates and 12% of the black Africans died (although recent research suggests that the black African deaths were underestimated and may have actually been around 20,000)“
”... This violation of every international law is really very characteristic of the nation which always plays the role of chosen judge over the customs and behaviour of all other nations.”
and you brainless, 1902 is NOT in the 1800´s.
got it, pelotudo?
Isn't it odd that idiot child/mamarracho/paulcedron never quotes the sources of the nonsense he posts? Most of what he says is meaningless and only increasing evidence that he is totally weird! He really does “scrape the bottom of the barrel”!
Mar 05th, 2015 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Paulito
Mar 05th, 2015 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your arguments simply do not stand up to scrutiny.
If, as you have repeatedly claimed, the British could gleefully wipe out up to ¾ of the population in large parts of the world, then you would think that something as big and power full and as practiced at genocide as the British Empire circa 1900, would have been able to dispatch 100,000 or so Boers with consummate ease.
You can’t have it both ways.
If the British had wanted the Boers “exterminated”, then they would be history, and no Daleks involved.
62 flatulent fatso
Mar 05th, 2015 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you cannot be more imbecile, can you?
just copy the quotes and google them.
it seems fat is clogging that little brain you have in that fat head.
idiots
as they say 1 image worth more than 1000 words
so here you have an image
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_van_Zyl#mediaviewer/File:LizzieVanZyl.jpg
and a piece of history
Lizzie Van Zyl
The British incarcerated her in a concentration camp following the refusal of her father, a Boer combatant, to surrender.
Activist Emily Hobhouse used her death as an example of the hardships the Boer women and children faced in the British concentration camps during the war
According to Hobhouse, she was treated harshly in the hospital. Unable to speak English, she was labelled an “idiot” by an English-speaking doctor and her nurses, who were unable to understand her
Even if true, I fail to see what any of this has to do with Argentinian colonial ambitions in the British S. Atlantic.
Mar 05th, 2015 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ah but but,
Mar 05th, 2015 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the British and the Boers, did not throw nuns from helicopters,
This violation of every international law==could you please name one of these law,
@64 But Pauly this war started almost 115 years ago, it's in the past, all those who committed these crimes and fought in the Boer wars are dead. What would you do? Have the British people flogged in the streets for the crimes of their ancestors? Get over it.
Mar 05th, 2015 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, as Argentina's history isn't exactly perfect.
paulcedron=troll,
Mar 05th, 2015 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its like trying to reason with a 2 year old.
lmpossible, like he/she/it is.
Idiot child/mamarracho/paulcedron
Mar 05th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you so angry? And totally unable to muster a sensible argument without resorting to “palabras soeces” in your rhetoric?
Why are you totally unable to address us in a rational way?
Are you quite sane or do you reside in some special care institution?
flatulent fatso
Mar 05th, 2015 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you deserve each insulto, gordo tirapedos
@70 You are a retard
Mar 05th, 2015 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paulcedron @18
Mar 05th, 2015 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“that´s the key issue.
450 km and 12.000 km”
Remind us Paul - what was the distance between our Islands and Argentina in 1833, when you think they were stolen from you? Not 450km, but 1500km. Remind us, how did Argentina extend to its current borders - wasn't it by military conquest? Was military conquest an acceptable way to gain territory back then? If so, then even if we did “steal” it from you (which we didn't) , that must be OK.
If not, then you had better give back Patagonia before we talk about giving back the islands!
Reports are emerging that all Argentine children born after April 1st are to be tatooed with “ Las Malvinas son Argentinas ” .
Mar 06th, 2015 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The exact location of the tatoo is to be debated in Congress .
All cattle and horses will be branded with the same slogan .
All small green quaker parrots , prevalent on the Pampas , are to be caught by the millions and made to repeat the phrase parrot fashion , as school children already do in class.
Meanwhile , chinese schoolchildren are made to colour Argentina red in their school atlasses , to show the latest addition to Chinese empire .
Finally , reports that Cristina's knicker are made in China are being hotly .
Anibal Fernandez said ” They may be in a twist , but they are not Chinese 2
70@
Mar 06th, 2015 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This violation of every international law==could you please name one of these law
This violation of every international law==could you please name one of these law
This violation of every international law==could you please name one of these law
we are waiting...
What have Cristina and Paulcedron got in common ?
Mar 06th, 2015 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are both Bi-polar, for one .
Secondly, they both make shit up as they go along
Thirdly, they are both petulant and immature .
Lastly , they both draw govt. salaries for doing eff all .
Peron o Muerte !
The thread has drifted a little from its original course. The map on the note, where was it copied from? We know it cannot be an Argentine source, they are not that clever. Google Earth perhaps? How about a 1790 map showing Falkland Sound, as discovered by Sir Richard Hawkins 1574? Most likely a UK Admiralty chart.
Mar 06th, 2015 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 076
Mar 06th, 2015 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0discovered by who?
lol
you have never studied history in your whole useless life, have you?
americo vespucio (1502), fernando de magallanes (1520), pedro reinel (1522), diego ribero (1527), agnese, caboto, and the list goes on, ring any bell, you nincompoop?
idiot child/mamarracho/payaso/paulcedron
Mar 06th, 2015 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again you make a statement with no mention of your sources!
P*****o de m****a!
Paul - no answer to my question at 72 yet ?
Mar 06th, 2015 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think this is because you HAVE no answer - you have ignored this question in the past when I have asked you.
Once again - Can you explain why taking Patagonia by conquest in the late 1800s is any different to taking the Falklands by conquest in the early 1800s? (Not that we did, but it seems to be what you are brainwashed into believing happened).
@Paulito
Mar 06th, 2015 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amerigo Vespucci was Italian, Fernando de Magallanes and Pedro Reinel were Portuguese, and whilst they may have found the Islands they did not return and so the discovery was never confirmed.
The British do not claim the first discovery, they claim the first confirmed discovery, as they returned in 1493 to map the Islands, original records available in the British National Archive.
As for the rest, there is not one shred of evidence to support the claim that the Spanish ever knew the Islands existed, before they read the British Letters Patent in 1741.
Bougainville when told (by the French Government) he had to sell his settlement to the Spanish in 1766 said “why, they don’t even know where they are”.
Pauly, luvy, slow down a little. Answer, if you can , my question as to the source of the map. We get fed up with your constant attempts to divert the thread to “who was there first”? In your list@77 you mention Diegoo Ribero 1527, a Spanish cartographer who never went to the Falklands and his South American maps do not show either the Falkland or Chile for that matter.
Mar 06th, 2015 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to these argies its false clues, and red mist
Mar 06th, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they just randomly pick dates out of the book,
Good luck getting a straight answer out of an Argentine posting on MP.......most anyway.
Mar 06th, 2015 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most pose questions then ignore the reply,
Mar 06th, 2015 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0refuse to present evidence,
they think they are clever,
but just make themselves look like Spanish cast offs.
no wonder know one want to talk to them,.
Pugol
Mar 07th, 2015 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Amerigo Vespucci was Italian, Fernando de Magallanes and Pedro Reinel were Portuguese, and whilst they may have found the Islands they did not return and so the discovery was never confirmed.”
Americo Vespucio, you ignoramus, was naturalized Castilian, and THEY ALL were at the service of Spain.
So, what´s your point?
That your knowledge of history is null?
Well, you made your point then.
@ Paulito
Mar 07th, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point Moreduller is that the Spanish had no idea that the Islands even existed, until they found out from the British.
The Spanish tried arguing “previous discovery” in their dispute with the British over the sovereignty of the Islands in 1770 (yes, Argentina doesn’t appear in the history of the Islands until very late on), however as the British said at the time, if this is true a) why has there been no mention of this anywhere before now, and b) where is the evidence.
British document referring to the Islands, dating back to 1492, are in the British National Archive.
However the Spanish have never produced any evidence whatsoever to support their claim.
So in 1770 the British rejected the claim and ordered the Spanish to withdraw from the Islands they had just seized, which they promptly did.
“naturalized Castilian” in 1492 (very famous year in Falklands history) Spain had nationality and naturalisation laws did they?
You are a complete Smeg head
According to the Central Bank of the Republic of Argentina, the islands were discovered by Esteban Gomez. Apparently he was not worthy of a mention by Pauly @77.
Mar 07th, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Argentina so poor it has nothing to celebrate other than a 32nd anniversary of a thrashing? Has anyone come across such a naff date to celebrate?
@ 87 Our man in Havana
Mar 07th, 2015 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Must have been just after he got back from landing in the Argentine Sea, on the dark side of the moon.
85@
Mar 07th, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you think the argies found the Falkland's,
Then prove it.....
Well, in summary, a reasonably succesful attempt by peruvian-cedredon to throw the topic off course and into the realms of the 'history-of-slavery' debate, but fortunately a few posters wish to bring it back on topic.
Mar 08th, 2015 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of which I am one.
“Malvinas' 50-Peso bill, an Argentine stunt, says [UK] Foreign Office minister”
Let's not lose track, poster people.
That is what the trolls want. Anything to avoid the issue. Namely that Argentina is printing nationalistic toilet-tissue.
The problem for Paulcondom is that he knows he is talking crap.
Mar 08th, 2015 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina did not discover the Falkland islands
Argentina has never had a population on the Falkland islands
The Spanish who lived on the islands never became Argentine
Proximity does not constitute ownership, especially when that proximity is only because of genocidal conquest.
Paulcondom knows all this...he is just a troll...and not a very good one.
# 58
Mar 08th, 2015 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Unlike Atahualpa and the Mapuche, the British have more than just bows and arrows with which to defend their territory.
You on the other hand, don't even have any balls.”
Well said Sir, summed him up perfectly!
Due to a shortage of bank note paper the new note is to be printed on one ply bog paper. Just right for Pauly to wipe his crap with.
Mar 08th, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0”... a whopping 3.72 pounds ($6) ”
Mar 09th, 2015 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who in world has a three-pound note, or a six-dollar bill?
*still laughing*
Zimbabwe, during their phase of hyper-inflation, has bills that were worth this amount.
Mar 09th, 2015 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Face value was 100 million dollars (21 Dec 2008).
@95 GeoffWard2,
Mar 09th, 2015 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l've got a 200Trillion & a 500Trillion Dollar notes from Zimbabwe.
They are collector's items now. Although there must be a lot around.
Was told that the $500T note could buy 2 loaves of bread, just before it was withdrawn.
This bill may be a stunt or not. But, in the light of the fact that the UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years, what is the UK's administration's point?
Mar 10th, 2015 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 097 hep C
Mar 10th, 2015 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will belong to the Chinese, within 25 years
@98 Troy Tempest,
Mar 10th, 2015 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0You beat me to it! Damnation.
But just to re-inforce it, Hepatia.
Argentina will completely belong to China, lock,stock & barrel, within 25 years,
so what is Argentina's point?
97, 98 & 99
Mar 10th, 2015 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps, like the Argentinians before them, the Chinese will then claim that the Falklands belongs to them because of 'historic rights'.
Is this a spratley to catch a mackerel?
WTF sold the trolls this 25 year shit that they took it like a shark takes a seal?
Mar 10th, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@96 do not bother with Zim notes, I have a selection of Argentina notes up to 1,000 pesos. all worth about $1. I think they are about mid 70's- 80's. If I hang on long enough I might be able to buy a litre of petrol.
Mar 10th, 2015 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@97
Mar 10th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“what is the UK's administration's point?”
That the money relating to the Malvinas Myth may as well be a Donald Duck cartoon, and the laugh (on Argentina) is that the money is worth almost sweet FA.
I'm, glad you perpetually believe that you will get a delivery of rotten grapes in 25 years-look forward to reading your 'in 25 years prediction' in 25 years time, then in another 25 years time.
At least you are a comedian, except that you are getting boring repeating the same joke.
Why not change your scratched record and predict within '2 years' just to make things a little less boring?
@103 Pete Bog,
Mar 10th, 2015 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hepatia is just trying to irritate us all.
But he/she/it quickly retreats when told a few hard cold facts.
l think Troy's answer that in 25 years, Argentina will completely belong to China, is the way to counter his/her/its stupidity.
104 Isolde
Mar 10th, 2015 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hepatia seems to hate the Middle Class - any class higher than his/ it's.
Won't make any difference once Argentina belongs to China - less than 25 years - Tik tok!!
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/03/03/malvinas-50-peso-bill-an-argentine-stunt-says-foreign-office-minister#comment385024: That is vanishingly improbable. But even if was to occur then the Malvinas would be administered as a part of PRC controlled Argentina or would be under the control of the US. In either case the Malvinas would have been returned by the UK within the next 25 years. So, it appears, you and I are in agreement even though you feel the need to posit bizarre scenarios in order to reach the correct conclusion. Some people are habitual conspiracy nuts and I guess that you are one of these.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@106
Mar 11th, 2015 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“That is vanishingly improbable”
Like your everlasting 25 years theory.
“within the next 25 years”
Why not within 20 years? Or within 10 years? I'll tell you why-imperialist Argentina will never have the Falkland Islands as a colony, because Independence is more likely, whether you like it or not.
Argentina will be a Chinese economic colony within 15 years.
“even though you feel the need to posit bizarre scenarios in order to reach the correct conclusion.”
Your scenario that the Falklands will turn into a bunch of sour grapes under an Argentina colonial administration within a perpetual 25 years is even more bizarre.
The Falklands will not be administered under PRC control as the Chinese will not risk the loss of trade with the UK.
An armed confrontation with the UK in the South Atlantic with China will draw the USA down to help the UK, faster than Argentine beef gets infected with foot and mouth.
@104 Isolde
“Hepatia is just trying to irritate us all.
But he/she/it quickly retreats when told a few hard cold facts.”
Hepatia is failing to irritate-amusement is the actual effect-I would find it/she/he more convincing if you were to become a pile of Sour Grapes within 22 years.
No Malvanista on these posts has ever made a cast iron case for the Falklands not having the status they do, or one for inheritance from Spain, or the nonsense that self determination applies to everywhere on the planet except for the Falkland Islands.
There is usually silence following any repudiation of their case-which speaks volumes in itself.
Dearest Isolde,
Mar 11th, 2015 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I refer to your comment @99 “so what is Argentina's point?”
Pray, please do not think of me as impertinent, but to re-phrase your query, if I may suggest an alternative?
Namely,
What is the point of Argentina?
with kindest regards,
I remain yours, as always,
ilsen
Thenk you dear ilsen,
Mar 11th, 2015 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0l was being sarcastic to Hepatia, when she asked “what is the UK's administration's point”.
But you are right- what indeed is the point of Argentina?
A broke, mis-managed, corrupt, rogue state with no future until they get rid of Peronism & stop lusting after what is not theirs.
ln short, they have to face the truth.
l'm not hopeful.
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