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Spain insists in blocking Gibraltar from EU single sky measures

Tuesday, March 10th 2015 - 08:34 UTC
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Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia Margallo has renewed his bid to have Gibraltar excluded from the European Union aviation measures. According to Spanish wire reports he raised the issue in Riga during a conference of foreign ministers which was intended to focus on the crisis with Russia and Ukraine. Read full article

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  • sceptic64

    “Spain is very willing to look for a solution to this issue…a joint use of the airport by UK and Spain”

    There was one reached. It was called the Cordoba Agreement. Spain has resiled from this - it never built its airport access and so we currently have a huge new airport which is 1/3 unused and ends at the border.

    It has also resiled from all its other obligations under the Cordoba Agreement, whereas Gibraltar and the UK have adhered to theirs.

    “repeating the thesis that the airport was not ceded under Utrecht”

    I see that once again he ignores all subsequent treaties. Still, there is a place for him to test this. It is called the ICJ. Unless he agrees to take this to court, then he has no argument.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    A conference focussing on what amounts to a civil war in a country neighbouring the EU, clearly it's definitely the place for Spanish attempts to derail random of mutually (across the entire EU) beneficial agreements because they haven't been allowed to annex their neighbours.

    Talk about toys being thrown out of the pram.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Sideline it as an exception, for this little place chock full of convenient exceptions, rest of the world can then move along productively.

    Margallo to win this one.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vulcanbomber

    Easy way forward in my mind. Spain blocks Gibralter from this, UK blocks next set of bail out loans to Spain, plus of course, adds a £50 admin tax on flights to Spain

    I wonder how many seconds would pass before they panic

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    a £50 admin tax on flights to Spain.

    oh heavens no. whatever would the third most visited country in the world do.

    good luck telling the electorate. how many seconds til its cancelled.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brucey-babe

    Vestige @5.
    Try this one, we stop importing salads / fruit and vegetables, the Spanish government would capitulate to the growers, say in a week ? When the French banned our beef we banned their wine, all went back to normal a few days later, the only flaw we have is Cameron who should have done years ago !

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    @5 Vestige

    Given that a fair proportion of Spain's income is derived from tourism, and a fair proportion of those tourists are from the UK it really would be childishly simple to cause chaos.

    All it needs is a Foreign Office advisory, that'll be seized upon by the travel insurance industry as a good reason to push up their prices (and let's face it, they barely need an excuse to put prices up) to the point where going somewhere else makes more sense.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    The UK and Spain both signed the Helsinki Accord that stipulates that 'borders in Europe can only change by consent.' So any claim at the ICJ reference the Isthmus would be lost. The UK also invited Spain to go to the ICJ with them over the status of Gibraltar, Isthmus, airspace and territorial waters back in the 1960s and they declined that means that they have acquiesced to the current status of the Isthmus, airport etc being part of Gib. Nooooo case.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @1
    Pray tell us when was the Treaty of Utrecht? 1713 or somewhere near that date? How many airports were built then? Were any aircraft invented to land at these airports then?

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    6 - thats a lot of Brits going without salad. You might have the will for that as a response to a small story about Gibraltar, Margallo and EU aviation arrangements , but does everyone on your street.
    No, I think you'll just hear 'margarineo ... oo's he then mate ... Gibraltar... yeah thats the place in Iceland innit??'

    7 - as above, hundreds of thousands have already chosen, planned and paid their holiday, even more have it on their mind. Oh but wait - theres some discord with the Spanish foreign minister over an aviation agreement, well forget the deposit, its Wales this year.

    Its a bit like boycotting the local gas station cause they upped prices 1 cent again. Any attempt would just be futile self harm. Too many customers in Europe, a Dutch, Czech, Irish, German, Swiss or Finnish couple will be thrilled to find that available room.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    10 vestigial

    A little off-topic now - bravo !!

    As Spain relies on UK tourists, and you have ramped up your capacity and set your prices accordingly, NEXT year's slump in UK tourism numbers will mean you will slashing prices to replace them or laying off Spaniards.

    With plenty of other travel destinations for the Brits - Portugal, Croatia, money-starved Greece, the Brits have plenty of alternatives.

    Probably won't work out well for either party. The Brits will see their discretionary holiday spending affected, whilst the Spaniards will take hits to their household incomes needed to support their families, and Spain herself will see less tourism revenue and a big slump in tax revenues.

    Spain will do nothing but play to the home crowd.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porto Margaret

    Now, we all know where the argies get their mendacious gene from.

    García-Margallo both Great Britain and Gibraltar have the measure of you. You are full of stale wind.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Spain Can and will do what it wants , when it wants , and to whom it wants , until Britain puts a stop to it,

    agreements or the EU mean nothing to the Spanish,
    just like Argentina they think they can do anything they want,

    no doubt some will say, they cant do this or that, Well they are doing it,

    when will Britain stand up and say enough is enough,

    after all, if and when we come out of the EU, these and other decisions will have to be confronted,

    now you can shoot me down..

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Troy - you'd be lucky to get the perfectly mentally stable 'patriots' in here to change holiday destination because of a change in EU aviation policy.

    Glad you understand the concept of alternatives. I await your predicted “slump” of Spains European tourism sector. Shame it doesn't have a multi-national target market of ohh .. hundreds of millions to fall back on.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @10
    “ thats a lot of Brits going without salad.”

    No, we can grow plenty of salad in the UK thanks and we can source it from Morocco and Holland as well. There are more UK growers able to grow salads off season.

    I note there are more and more Moroccan tomatoes alongside the Spanish toms in the shops here...

    @10
    “ well forget the deposit, its Wales this year. ”
    Brits can afford to travel to many more destinations than Spain and Wales.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    MARGALLO PRESSES FOR GIB AVIATION EXCLUSION OR JOINT-CONTROL OF AIRPORT
    by Dominique Searle
    www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=35615
    Sr Margallo said he had spoken with Philip Hammond, his UK counterpart.
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    NAVY’S NEWEST DESTROYER ARRIVES IN GIB
    Royal Navy’s newest warship, HMS Duncan, which arrived in Gibraltar yesterday on its maiden voyage. The Type 45 destroyer is here to top up on fuel and supplies
    http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=35614
    ,,,,,

    Submarine in port training includes smoke
    http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=35614

    HMS Torbay arrived at HM Naval Base Gibraltar yesterday as part of her scheduled operational tasking.

    Whilst in Gibraltar HMS Torbay will conduct Safety Harbour Training.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    .

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jmackiej

    It simple Britain leaves EU and tells Spain to go pick up the enormous net contribution we pay rest of Europe for the pleasure, of showing them how to run an efficient organisation.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    The EU knows how precarious the Spanish government currently is at home, I doubt they are going to do anything to piss the UK off, the EU's second largest net contributor, just to appease some land grabbing Spaniards. I am afraid that money talks and Spain aint got none.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    This measure has be going on for a decade. Spain's juvenile attempt at sabotage is the least of its problems.

    The UK isn't going to do anything to Spain. The UK operates at a different level to Spain. The UK is a global power while Spain is....... a nothing power. Not even regional really.

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    19
    “The UK is a global power ...”

    wot?
    the uk is just a tiny little island with one of the biggest debts on earth.
    the funny thing is that one of its biggest creditors is...spain
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696

    anyway, the only fact is this:
    “THE EU has voted to exclude Gibraltar from draft EU aviation legislation.”

    A comerla....

    Mar 10th, 2015 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Got any Gripens yet paulie?

    Are you a member of a 53 nation Commonwealth?

    Do you have a Permanent Seat on the UN Security Council?

    Do you have anything important to say?

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @20

    How's Argentine ejector seat development going?

    A car seat with fireworks attached?

    Or will CT scanners replace the ejection seats?

    Or are your pilots going to eject from your Chinese fighters using rocket assisted tyres?

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @22
    I expect the pilots will 'self-eject' by going on strike on something...
    Alternatively, by the time they have deciphered the instruction manual it will be too late to learn about the lack of ejector seats, or they will have retired..
    lol!
    They really are no threat, as has been said before, Kristina is the best General the FI could hope for!
    :-)

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sceptic64

    The point is not whether the lying weasel Margallo persuaded most of an EU Transport committee to suspend Gibraltar Airport in order to try and push the problem aside.

    The issue here is the law, and the EU Commission knows it. The EU measures that Gibraltar is excluded from are the Common Agricultural Policy and the Customs Union (that may change). Not aviation rules. Therefore, by law, the EU Aviation Rules must apply to Gibraltar Airport.

    Furthermore, suspending the Airport from the measures is direct discrimination against EU citizens, and therefore also illegal under EU Law.

    The Commission is aware of this and aware that the UK will go to court if the airport is suspended: and it will win that case.

    Margallo is pissing in the wind.

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Yep Paul

    That tiny little island!

    Must hurt. Bahahahahahahahahaha

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    THE EU has voted to exclude Gibraltar from draft EU aviation legislation.”
    Has it ? The MEP's have voted but it has to be passed by the council of ministers, does it not,
    Anyway, whatever the outcome, Gib. will survive.
    The UK govt. will take note and who knows, they may do something equally petty to Spain when they want something.
    Paul. aren't you totally embarrassed that a tiny little island with one of the biggest debts on earth has comprehensively stuffed your country at every turn.
    All that is left for you is to cry when you ponder on your inadequacies.

    Keep up with your posts as it reminds us how much it hurts you when the sarcasm or foul language .....from your caring Granpa !!!!!

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @20. Have you tried looking up Japan's debt? More than 174% of GDP. The UK's debt is HALF that. And one other point. Unlike argieland, the UK PAYS its debts. Wonder if argieland includes all the amounts for which there are judgments?

    Yeah, it'll be really difficult. Got a map? Imagine all those aircraft flying around the Mediterranean. Diverted into Gibraltar. Where EU civil aviation legislation won't apply. Hours spent sitting just off the runway. All those roads blocked as aircraft are moved to sit along the frontier fence. No rights for passengers. Think the spaniards will get a bit pissed off when they aren't allowed to leave the aircraft? And spain just a few yards away. And here's a really good bit. Parked close to the frontier fence, just imagine the effect on spanish traffic when the engines are run up to full power, but held on the brakes. Engine tests can be a regular feature. The jet blast should throw spanish vehicles a good hundred yards. No compensation for anything of course. And if it goes to court, HM Government of Gibraltar can just point at spain and suggest that it pays, since it will have created the situation. Can you imagine the havoc as a civil registered British drone flies straight across the track of spanish aircraft? Will spanish aircraft regularly dive into the Bay of GIBRALTAR?

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Paulie,
    Once again you are wrong,
    Once again you show up with your anti British crap, then run away,

    Try reading this
    SPAIN is not only breaking the EU rules , she is deliberately and childishly holding the EU to ransom,
    And the unmighty EU do precisely ??????
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Govt lashes back at Margallo EU aviation campaign
    http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=35624
    The Commission, as the guardians of the [EU] Treaties must act to secure respect for those Treaties and for EU law. The two are distinct and separate issues. One is the sovereignty issue and the other is the application of EU law to a part of the European Union. This means that Gibraltar Airport, as an airport of the European Union, must be included in EU civil aviation legislation,” said Dr Garcia.

    “Spain is holding the whole of Europe to ransom in order to advance its claim to Gibraltar. Their argument does not even make sense given that the EU law that will apply to the Airport is the same as applies in the rest of the European Union including to airports in both the United Kingdom and in Spain. They should also bear in mind that EU law first applied to the Airport when we acceded to the European Community, as it was then, in 1973 which is 13 years before Spain joined,” he said.

    The Gibraltar position is that Spain should be made to honour its obligations under the EU Treaties and the agreement that they entered into at Cordoba in 2006 by which they would no longer seek the exclusion of Gibraltar airport from EU legislation.

    Clause 14(iv) of the Ministerial Statement on Gibraltar Airport says that with effect from 18 September 2006, Spain will “cease to seek the suspension of Gibraltar Airport from any EU Aviation measure not yet adopted”.

    “The Spanish Government are now doing the exact opposite of what is stated in the agreement that was entered into at the time by their predecessors,” said a Government statement.

    Read on….
    .

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    21 - actually Im a member state of the commonwealth myself, like Tuvalu, you can be too if you collect and send in 10 wrappers.

    I just adore how one of the commonwealths stated objectives is “ the pursuit of equality and opposition to racism” yet at the same time the odds of the head of the very same organization ever having a non-white family member through marriage or birth are so very tiny that my zero key would break before I could show how unlikely this is.

    Remember: Say yes to equality and no to a Catholic leader.

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    ever having a non-white family member through marriage
    what a crapy insult,

    are you saying then that if we don't have a mixed mar, in the family we are all raciest.

    what a load of crap.

    but no doubt you are going to tell us all, that you are mar to Bla bla ,
    and you have a bla bla ...BS.

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    29 Vestige

    “I just adore how one of the commonwealths stated objectives is “ the pursuit of equality and opposition to racism” yet at the same time the odds of the head of the very same organization ever having a non-white family member through marriage or birth are so very tiny that my zero key would break before I could show how unlikely this is”

    Congratulations- so very off-topic!

    Your statement is laughable and racist in itself.

    To say that we are excluded from having anti-racist ideals unless we are non-white or intermarried, is a racist statement.

    The fact that you see nothing wrong with that says a lot about you.

    Imagine telling blacks or even those of Latin heritage that they cannot possess anti-racist ideals unless they intermarry with whites - how would that be received?

    Really, Vestige, your inherent racism and unthinking hatred shows through in almost everything you post.

    You very obviously, either see the issue of Gibraltar and SPAIN to be a matter of race, or you wish to divert the discussion of this article- just as the Troll you are.
    Or both.

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    29
    Do you call Greeks white...?
    Compared to me they're pretty tanned....

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    lol troy thinks the royals aren't racial purists.
    they even have rules against Catholics ... in the 21st century lol.
    so at the very least, with 100% certainty there is no religious equality in the mind of the head of the commonwealth - the same person calling for equality, thus in the literal sense the queen is an hypocrite.

    “a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs”.


    and this makes ME a racist in Troys book.

    Also, Ilsen was first to go off topic and talk of the commonwealth.
    So Phail yet again Troy.

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #33
    As the Queen is the head of the Church of England, it would be rather difficult for her or any of her successors to adopt the Roman Catholic faith.
    The Monarch is known as “Defender of the Faith”.
    You may as well ask the Pope to become an Anglican.

    Also, I don't believe that there is anything in the Act of Succession that forbids any Royal marrying into any other race or to a Roman Catholic.

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    [Not just a pretty thing then] unlike some we could mention….lol
    Britain to build prototype laser weapon
    Britain is joining the Star Wars arms race with a new Ministry of Defence project to build and test a prototype laser weapon
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11464985/Britain-to-build-prototype-laser-weapon.html
    The Ministry of Defence will begin building an experimental laser weapon later this year as a prototype for Star Wars-type armaments that could one day be used by British forces.
    The project costing up to £100 million aims to create a high-energy laser that can track and hit moving targets in any weather.
    Britain is joining the laser arms race as America has already developed a series of drone-killing and ship-burning lasers and already has one weapon on board a warship in the Gulf
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Apparently the British came up with this in the 1980s,
    A top secret 1983 letter from the then Defence Secretary, Michael Heseltine, to Margaret Thatcher said he believed the Soviet Union could be able to field laser weapons by the mid-1980s,
    He wrote: “We developed and deployed with very great urgency a naval laser weapon, designed to dazzle low flying Argentine pilots attacking ships, to the Task Force in the South Atlantic.
    “The weapon was not used in action and knowledge of it has been kept to a very restricted circle.”

    .

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    33 Vestige

    you are a first class idiot, and a 3rd class racist.

    Since when are Catholics a race?

    and to say we are inherently racist unless we are married to someone of colour, or are non-white, is frick'n hilarious!

    I bet you impress your school chums at the bartending school, though.

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    He is a twat, twit and a twot,
    he shames himself.

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    I never inferred Catholics as being a race.
    Hence the word 'even'.

    None of you slippery deniers will see a non-white member of the extended royal family .... ever. Nor will your children.

    The job requirements for head of the commonwealth begin with: must be a white person of Anglican religion.
    But go ahead say it isn't so. Who will you be fooling.

    If nothing else theres actual laws written to ensure no Catholic King/Queen of G.Britain.
    How much clearer do you need it to be.

    Commonwealth publicly espouses equality for all, yet its leader by overt public law can't be a Jew ... I mean Catholic.
    Thats called Hypocrisy.

    Whats wrong with bartending btw ??

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    38 Vestige

    As the British Royal Family founded the Church of England to escape the Papacy (Catholic) and the Monarch is the head of that Institution, I hardly think they will be adopting Judaism, or Hinduism, Taoism, or anything else.

    What's wrong with Church of England?

    I was wrong - you're religiously bigoted, jealous, AND racist and stupid.

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    Has The Single European Sky Project Failed?
    After more than 10 years of talks, a single airspace in Europe is no closer to reality

    http://aviationweek.com/aftermarket-solutions/has-single-european-sky-project-failed

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Nothing wrong with CofE Troy.
    The commonwealth just shouldn't be espousing equality while discriminating against Catholics thats all.
    Equal rights for all !! ... except those ones over there, they're a different religion to me.

    That a lot of ad homs and little in the way of argument from you.
    Are you angry ? Did you Phail again ?

    Problem ?

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #38
    The job requirements for head of the commonwealth begin with: must be a white person of Anglican religion.

    The head of the Commonwealth is voted on by it's members. On the Queen's demise it is not automatic that the next head will be her successor. as head of the Commonwealth
    I have said it so as it is a fact........not a piece of biased conjecture.
    You really haven't a clue . Read up about it before you embarrass yourself further

    Tell me,OH WISE ONE, how can the Queen or King , who is the head of the Anglican Church, become a Roman Catholic and still be head of the Church ?

    Could a Hindu become President of Pakistan or a Muslim become President of India ?

    Mar 11th, 2015 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    “Equal rights for all ” says Vestige.

    Surely the Royals have the right to make up their own minds, marry who they like, keep the company they wish, make agreements amongst themselves or others, just as they choose - just as anybody else in the UK.

    Citizens are free to marry anyone they like, provided they are not ISIS, or criminals, or... subversives.

    Sorry Vestige, you can't be British Royalty or Nobility, any more than I can join the Saudi Royal Family.

    Jealous?

    Too bad for you.

    Mar 12th, 2015 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Has the leader of the commonwealth, an entity which supposedly espouses equality, publicly spoken out against these anti-Catholic rules in her own country yet ?

    42 - Clyde I dont know how or even if that can be done, but it doesn't matter - it just is what it is, G.B has laws targeting members of 1 belief system.

    Nor do I care really, hadn't planned on being queen of England.

    Mar 12th, 2015 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    44 vestige

    “ Clyde I dont know how or even if that can be done, but it doesn't matter - it just is what it is, G.B has laws targeting members of 1 belief system.”

    Really, where is that - please show us discriminatory laws targeting “members of 1 belief system”.

    What makes you think you are entitled to share in what was created by others, for those, other than yourself ?

    G.B. is a free society with freedom of choice. Do you think you are entitled to tell them what they must do??

    If so, what does that have to do with Gibraltar's airport? ? ? ...

    You are off-topic by a mile.

    You have not succeeded in arguing a single point.

    What is your point you are trying to make, Vestige??

    BTW,
    Derke Blake and I were chatting about dumbasses and idiots.
    Your name came up.

    Here are Derke's thoughts,
    ”What an idiot. First off, religious exclusion is bigotry, not racism (Catholicism is a religion, not a race).
    And the Queen is married to “Phil the Greek”.
    Compare how the British treated the locals to the Spanish crown, and they are world's apart.
    How you even correspond with these idiots is beyond me, but good for you.”

    Gotta admit, I agree with him.

    Mar 12th, 2015 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #44
    You still don't get it ! Pointless trying to explain to a closed indoctrinated mind. Subject closed .

    Have you anything pertinent to contribute to the subject of this MAIN discussion ?

    Mar 12th, 2015 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    I agree,
    these argies are so indoctrinated that the truth and logic just goes straight through them.

    Mar 12th, 2015 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Our man in Havana

    What the hell has the British Royal Family got to do with Gib air space? If you must go sideways how about Melilla, Cueta and few other odd rocks off the coast of Morocco? Morocco considers these Spanish enclaves to be foreign occupation equivalent to Gib. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
    Following the frequent mindless postings here, who first discovered Gibraltar?

    Mar 13th, 2015 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    And here we go again—

    Illegal incursion as sub departs
    A Guardia Civil patrol boat cut across the bow of a British nuclear submarine as it sailed from Gibraltar yesterday morning, prompting a diplomatic protest from the UK
    http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=35643
    ================
    Spain lobbies Ukraine for Gib EU airport exclusion
    Spain has stepped up its campaign to have Gibraltar excluded from new EU aviation measures by seeking to recruit the support of the Ukrainian government.
    http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=35643
    ====

    6h6 hours ago
    More photos of our excellent gunners, training against a radio-controlled fast attack craft. Great training benefit. pic.twitter.com/rKTECt8FJL
    http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=35643

    Unless the governments does something, anything, even throwing roses at them,
    Then perhaps soon the unthinkable and the inevitable may well happen,
    Shock and awe zaps around the world , Britain is now open season to the aggressor.
    Just a slow burning thought.
    .

    Mar 13th, 2015 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    45 Troy -

    Who is this Derke (Derek) Blake you speak of ??
    An academic of some kind ?? - All I found on googling the name is a tattoo artist from Manchester.

    But I'd agree with him, it would be a bit stupid to consider Catholics as a race.
    Fortunately I've never done that in here.... or elsewhere .... or in my lifetime that I can recall.

    Anyhoo - I believe the law in Britain which targets 1 particular belief system is known as the act of settlement (1701).

    Here's Scottish first minister Alex Salmond on the subject.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/british-monarch-can-now-marry-a-catholic-but-cannot-be-one/

    “It surely would have been possible to find a mechanism which would have protected the status of the Church of England without keeping in place an unjustifiable barrier on the grounds of religion, in terms of the monarchy,” he said.”

    It wasn't until recently that Catholics could even marry the monarch (think it was 2013).
    I'm sure the queen in her heading of the commonwealth and its calls for equality has been most vocal and active on correcting these inequalities, as she's surely above hypocrisy.

    Oh BTW I didn't initiate the topic of the commonwealth and I'll be happy to finish with it.
    Bye now.

    Mar 13th, 2015 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    Spain becomes more and more like Argentina every day, a small minded, spiteful nasty little country.

    Mar 14th, 2015 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    51
    “ a small minded, spiteful nasty little country.”
    and who says that?
    lol
    ...yes.
    an islander...
    LOL x 1 MILLION

    Mar 14th, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Still ignoring every relevant treaty since Utrecht I see.

    Including the treaty Spain signed to enter the EU.

    No possibility of the UK government or the European court allowing this.

    No way can Spain win this, it is simply a question of what it is going to cost them in losing.

    Far more chance of an agreement being signed without Spain, than without Gib.

    No doubt Margallo had great success in explaining to the Ukrainians about illegally annexing parts of other people’s countries, I bet that went down a storm.

    Mar 14th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Our man in Havana

    Has Margallo forgotten that Gib has MEP representation in Brussels. Going back a long way in these posts, probably one of Pauli's, Spain is owed shed loads of money by the uk, they are not worried they know they will get paid, unlike some.Would Pauli like to compare UK credit rating with Spain and Argentina?

    Mar 14th, 2015 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    SPANISH MEPS URGE UK-SPAIN PACT TO UNBLOCK EU SINGLE SKY
    Spanish MEPs at a seminar in the European Parliament have insisted that Gibraltar’s airport is a bilateral UK-Span matter and that this cannot become an obstacle to the negotiations for a new tranche of EU single skies measures.

    http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=35646

    Mar 14th, 2015 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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