MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
“Our Lady of Malvinas” arrives in Antarctica; she will be enshrined in Ushuaia on 2 April
The replica of an image at the Argentine Darwin cemetery and which was blessed by Pope Francis arrived this week to Argentina's Antarctica base Marambio, the last leg of its passage to Tierra del Fuego and austral islands, “where it will enshrined on 2 April, on a new anniversary of the Malvinas war”, according to the country's official news agency Telam. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBefore everyone starts on the usual diatribes, may I just point out a little irony within the Pope's 'creationist' teachings and Darwinian Theory?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0----------
So, they went to 92 cities, all supporting false teachings but never reached the Cemetery named after the man that proved all religious teachings to be lies?
lol!
PS:
There was never a 'Malvinas War'.
There was only ever an illegal invasion of the Falklands Islands by Argentina and a very embarassing defeat by the losers.
The only reason the UK did not 'nuke' BsAs was because the US Pres. RR
begged the UK to 'not humiliate them'.
Anyone from Argentina has the US to thank that they are not dead or sufferring from radiation-sickness/cancer/tumours...
Far be it from me to state the obvious, but truly an example that fact is stranger than fiction. What can you do but shake your head?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Commemorating this on April 2nd is (absolutely) no different than if Germany (still) commemorated the invasion of Western Poland on Sept 1st.
Absolutely bizarre and revolting, in every sense. I confess that I just can't wrap my head around it.
D
As a Catholic I must say that I find this totally abhorrent and shame on the Church for allowing this intervention into the Falklands/Malvinas dispute. What absolute nonsense to permit our faith to be used in this way!
Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no such thing as “Our Lady of Malvinas” - this a political invention!
Heres a thought. I they are going to play politics with the dead. Repatriate the bodies!
Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sick bastards!
@2
Mar 11th, 2015 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I totally understand. It is hard to believe that any country would celebrate a War in that they were so comprehensively defeated.
@3
I do defend to the death your right to your beliefs, as long as they do not impinge on my own (athiest) reasonings.
I think you are wrong, but will always support your right to disagree with me. What I can not abide is Extreme Islam/Extreme Christianity/et al that says, if I do not join, then I should be put to death.
@5 You say “I think you are wrong”! About what? To register my total objection to this blatant propaganda which has no basis?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0As far as my faith is concerned that is my business - not yours! If you choose to be an atheist, so be it - none of my concern!
@6
Mar 11th, 2015 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do not disagree with your objection to this 'blatant propaganda'.
I object also to this BS. It is a conflation of indigenous idols mixed with the pre-protestant chistianity and a dangerous mix of nationalism/populist-socialism.
Outcome? see Germany 1935..
re: Your Faith
Yes. I do think you are wrong. I think you are wrong about your, obviously deeply held belief, in the Catholic Faith.
That is my opinion.
I still respect the your human right to hold such superstitions, should it comfort you in this complicated and somewhat confusing life we all live.
You have the right to lie to yourself, fine.
I respect your belief, but I also hold firm my right to discount it, to speak against it.
You brought up the subject “@3 ” As a Catholic etc...”
I merely pointed out some irony, obviously it 'got your goat'.
For that I make no apologies.
I hope we can continue you this discussion in a civillised manner, should you wish to do so.
@7 Are you a fool?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I identified myself as a Catholic in order to justify my criticism of this nonsensical behaviour by some Catholics in Argentina. What they are doing has nothing to do with their faith but with their attempts to justify their sovereignty claims through dubious religious posturing.
So, please, just keep to the subject - my beliefs are nothing to do with you just as your lack of religious faith has nothing to do with me. Don't make a “mountain out of a molehill”!
Gentlemen, please.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0We're all right & there is nothing wrong with religion just as long as you don't try to dictate to others.
l am a Spiritualist myself, or to put it another way, a blend of basic Christianity & the Pagan Wiccan faith.
Anyway, Peace to you all, brothers & sisters.
@8 Are you a fool?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, possibly, but one hopes not.
Thank you for you clarification of your stance when dealing with 'this nonsensical behaviour by some Catholics in Argentina.'
I take your further coments 'on-board' as it where...
..and do agree about the 'posturing'.
Equally, I agree that if we wish to have any kind of political dicussion, then all religious/atheist opinions should be put aside.
I apoligise for digressing. It was not helpful. Sorry.
Anyhoo.. To try and stay on topic, it is of interest to me of this conflation in Lat Am of the Catholic religion and Indigenous beliefs. This is apparent in Vnzla as there is often a mixture of Catholic/Voodoo/Indigenous belief system on the coast, where-as inland it it as strictly catholilic/indengous mix, and the cities is pure catholic or non-believer, with a few hippy,bhuddist types about.
Anyway, '”our lady of the malvinas'
????????????
wtf?
Even as a Catholic you must admit this is, well, a bit much?
apologies for any typos..
A NEW anniversary...
Mar 11th, 2015 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The old one was so shit they had to make another one up?
But, either way, no they are not publicly celebrating a war they started, or being, in any way, shape, or form, militaristic.
no.
Never.
Our Lady of the Malvinas ? Where did she come from. So what these clowns are saying, indirectly, is that they need divine intervention ?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose they have slightly more chance than praying to the blessed Christina.
These people embarras my country. Like jungle people wich doctor and wood idles. Stupid Malvinas war we lost. Why remember?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Absurd. Very, very absurd.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0`virgins´ `pope´ `malvinas´ more and more BS to fuel this nonsense.
Wise up, people.
Idolatry? How 17th century !
Mar 11th, 2015 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The religious image is a copy of the Virgin of Lujan, Argentina's saint patron and which in 2009 members of the Malvinas Families Commission took to the Falklands for the inauguration of a memorial in the Argentine cemetery at Darwin”
Mar 11th, 2015 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is difficult to get ones head around this mix of emotional, nationalistic and religious clap trap. Does “Our Lady of the Malvinas” hold the same spiritual status and credibility in the church as “Our Lady of Fatima”? Will the Catholic Church officially declare the Argentine vision of “Our Lady of the Malvinas” ‘worthy of belief’ like it did for the visions of “Our Lady of Fatima” one hundred years ago?
“The Virgin should peregrinate all of Argentina.” (The mind boggles!)
‘Peregrinate’ sounds a lot like a royal progress. Except in this case, in reality, there isn’t much progress occurring. But hey, who cares about reality, this is Argentina and the Catholic Church slowly ‘peregrinating’ together in cloud cuckoo land.
Meanwhile back in the world, the Falklands move further and further from Argentina, religious images, visions and the partisan intervention by the Pope in a diplomatic dispute notwithstanding.
Finally it is NOT the Argentine cemetery at Darwin; it is the cemetery for Argentine soldiers at Darwin. This final resting place for the Argentine soldiers killed in the Falklands war, is generously permitted to exist by the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands. It’s a shame the Argentina doesn’t extend the same courtesy to the Falklanders and recognise THEIR right to exist. The Pope and Church are strangely silent on this abuse of human rights by Argentina.
“....the Virgin should peregrinate all of Argentina”
Mar 11th, 2015 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Except..... for the Falklands!
Propaganda fail. Bahahahahaha
7
Mar 11th, 2015 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....who are you to tell him that he is lying to himself...
You can no more prove evolution and the existence of life than he can prove the existence of God...
You are the only person that is wrong in that little debate....
Can one just say.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,,,,,,,,
The replica of an image at the Argentine Darwin cemetery and which was blessed by Pope Francis
1, has the pope been told of this,
2, has the pope actually blessed this to be enshrined in the frozen wastes of Antarctica
3, is this not just insulting and using the pope name,
4, is it then not apparent that thousands of Malvinas patriots will amass upon the Antarctic to pray to this replica , and in doing do technically is destroying that part of it, all in the name of, [what ever fools call it ]
5 and lastly, is it now to be taken as true, that these twits actually believe in fairies , personally I think they are totally of their rockers.
still,
what do I know,?
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@ 10 Are you unable to read?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Anyway, '”our lady of the malvinas'
????????????
wtf?
Even as a Catholic you must admit this is, well, a bit much?”
As I posted in my 3 above “There is no such thing as “Our Lady of Malvinas” - this a political invention!”
Clear now?
This medieval claptrap shows clearly why Argieland is so backward along with all other countries that indulge in it as the predominant religion. At least this Pope has dispensed with a lot of the claptrap, its progress. Henry VIII might have been a cruel despot but he did largely liberate England from this load of old tosh, even if it was for his own ends.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is this all going? What connection does the spurious “Our Lady of the Malvinas” have to events in the medieval England of the Tudors?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Such convoluted reasoning!
peregrinate
Mar 11th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(ˈpɛrɪɡrɪˌneɪt)
vb
1. (intr) to travel or wander about from place to place; voyage
2. (tr) to travel through (a place)
adj
3. an obsolete word for foreign
[C16: from Latin, from peregrīnārī to travel; see peregrine]
ˈperegriˌnator n
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
He states==
the Virgin should peregrinate all of Argentina
how does this compare to the translated bit above.
I think I will leave this to the argy Experts,
no doubt paulie or think will communicate soon...lol
@18 Voice
Mar 11th, 2015 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not usually engage in debate with you, due your preference to take it off-topic/ dis-inform etc.
However, in this case I will make an exception, for a limited time (ie: until you bore me...)
(1):
I can tell anyone I want to that they are a liar. As long as I can back it up, which I can, see (2)
(2) I can prove evolution, there is scientific proof, but I can not prove the existence of 'God'.
Nor can you.
First, please establish of which 'god' you speak of... a jewish god, a muslim god, a christian god?
Or one of the many, many hindi 'deities'?.
Maybe Thor? Or Juno or Minerva?
Maybe you speak of Zeus or Demeter?
Voicey says:
“You can no more prove evolution and the existence of life than he can prove the existence of God...
You are the only person that is wrong in that little debate....”
I say, don't even go there you fool. I have already exposed you as an idiot, and I am quite happy to embarrass you further.
One more thing;
'There are no gods but me'
If you don't understand that philosphical argument, then you have already lost the debate.
ciao xxoo
~ilsen
HA ha,
Mar 11th, 2015 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we await their reply with interest.
25
Mar 11th, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't engage me...because you always lose....
You can't prove shit...
You can't even prove you exist..
Deprived of your five senses you wouldn't exist and nothing would exist to you apart from your thoughts..and they wouldn't be able to be defined by anything without sensory input....
Explain to us all, if you will, what caused the Singularity (Big Bang) after all, there is no Effect without Cause....
You and all the THEORETICAL Scientists in the world that is...
...There are computer bots that pose better arguments than you.....
I usually let you prattle on, because I was once a little too hard on you and felt guilty...but there are limits...
Come on ya tart....we are all waiting with bated breath...;-))))
Voice, People don't engage you because you are a liar, fool and a bully. You think you're smart and clever but as I've said before so does the town drunk falling off their stool at the end of the bar.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're no different.
We all know what you are and why you're here you're not fooling anyone but yourself.
25
Mar 11th, 2015 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh it's all gone quiet over there (clap, clap, clap)
Oh it's all gone quiet over there (clap, clap, clap)
It's all gone quiet (clap)
It's all gone quiet (clap)
It's all gone quiet over there (clap, clap, clap)
Oh she's desperately searching Google for a reply (clap, clap, clap)
Oh she's desperately searching Google for a reply (clap, clap, clap)
She is desperately searching Google (clap)
Desperately searching Google (clap)
Oh she's desperately searching Google for a reply (clap, clap, clap)
Singing aye aye yippee yippee aye. Singing aye aye yippee yippee aye. Singing aye aye yippee aye aye yippee aye aye yippee yippee aye.....;-)))
too long await...I'm offski....
See what I mean.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're your own worst enemy
sadsack.
And if you don't know what that is... An individual whose very presence lowers the tone in the room. Will complain about almost anything...
28
Mar 11th, 2015 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't you graduate from High-School...?
“Voice, People don't engage you because you are a liar, fool and a bully. You think you're smart and clever but as I've said before so does the town drunk falling off their stool at the end of the bar.
You're no different.”
Correct punctuation....
Voice. People don't engage you because you are a liar, fool and a bully. You think you're smart and clever, but as I've said before, so does the town drunk falling off their stool at the end of the bar.
You're no different.
Remember a comma...before the conjunction BUT...
Obviously smarter than you....retard...;-))))
Does a misplaced comma prove you're smarter than me in your little world?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a sad, insignificant and worthless life you must have led.
Sad Sack Sistah
What interesting examples of attention to the original subject of this thread!
Mar 11th, 2015 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm so disappointed...I was waiting for...
Mar 11th, 2015 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I've been dealing with those types my whole life.”
You really should make a Macro for it...
Yeah... Waiters/Realtors are the smartest people of all....;-))))......NOT!
You just prove my point time and again.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sad Sack Sistah
What a sad load of shite wafting across the Clyde. Numbnut, it says absolutely nothing and means even less... But its quite entertaining seeing him shown by the Yanks up for the liar and fool he is.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back on topic, I thought there was something in the bible about idol worship being forbidden. But then I haven't read it.
Facking idiot....“shown by the Yanks up”.....try “shown up by the Yanks”
Mar 11th, 2015 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...typical foreigners mistake...getting the English backwards...
...Oh dear...
...next....
I am sure you are used to getting it backwards, kilts are ideal! Accompanied by a squeal on the pipes?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahaha…
Oh, how precious this is.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't the argies accuse the Falklanders of 'shooting' the little plastic dolly at Darwin argies cemetery?
It turned out to be a hammer if I remember correctly.
Cue second try: why not shoot it for real this time and blame the argies for inflating idiocy among the Malvinas population, wherever they are! I recommend a 7.62x51 rifle with a 168 grain Sierra MatchKing bullet. The argies in Ushuaia won't know what's going on, they have to dance around piles of human crap: they STILL don't have a shit pump working after THREE years! Funny or what.
Need to be careful though, this combination has a full field danger area of 2,400 M radius. Who knows how many Malvinas veterans might be killed? Bit difficult to tell if this Bonetti character is anything to go by.
HA, HA, HA, HA.
Isn't this the same 'Our Lady of Lujans' who sits in a dusty corner of many of the BA railway stations looking so very neglected...waiting for a train perhaps.....?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 029@
Mar 11th, 2015 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that sounded like a screaming cat, and it was out of tune,
you should try copying the spice girls...lol
Plaster saint for some mythical islands
Mar 11th, 2015 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im reliably informed by my sources in the vatican that Pope Francis is incensed that he has been made to look like like an utter TWAT by blessing this plastic doll and then having Christina and the Walruss in the photo parade it around for political gain. Infallabilityometer must have been on a low voltage that day in Rome. Bahahah.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd be worried if a Gaucho Gil statue showed up at the cemetery. ;)
Mar 11th, 2015 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/ySGujpcIPXKWDbIuf4idPg--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NzAwO3E9OTU7dz00ODU-/http://revistareplicante.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Gaucho-Gil.jpg
Can someone help me as a none catholic. Is our lady of the malvinas the one with the bald head and moustache or buzz lightyears rocket in the picture below next to the man in the dress?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0our lady of Malvinas is everywhere and in everyone that believes in her .....its only a matter of faith......if you dont like her go and cry in the church
Mar 12th, 2015 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0oh my oh my, I go off to work for a few hours and tragic voicey is screaming for my attention
Mar 12th, 2015 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol!
DFOD! (do fuck off dear)
voicey really is not worthy of my attention, and that he feels 'guilty' for attacking me so long ago, just goes to show the shallowness and deep insecurity of a 'man' (hic!) that has no belief in what he says.
Just because you can't get it up anymore is no reason to spill your bile online.
I suggest you retire. No one is interested in your self-serving diatribes. Park your seedless wizerned old prunes elsewhere, before some one cuts them off.
ilsen: Wow, so much British machismo on display here! May I remind you that it was British machismo that cost the British so dearly during the Battle of Goose Green, as is pointed out in the book NOT MENTIONED IN DESPATCHES by Spenzer Fitz-Gibbon. With the CO of 2 Para literally breathing down the neck of the OC A Company, Major Phil Neame offered to move forward his D Company in order to assist Major Dair Farrar-Hockley's A Company pinned down and suffering heavy casualties at the foot of Darwin Hill, but Lieutenant-Colonel 'H' Jones went berserk and told Neame to “Get off the effing radio. I'm trying to run a battle.” It was soon after 'H' was heard yelling 'Come on “A” Company, get your skirts off!' that he was reportedly shot dead by his own men that had had enough of his diatribe.
Mar 12th, 2015 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 048 Alberto Bertorelli
Mar 12th, 2015 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know who you are, nor do I care.
Please answer me two questions. If you may, considering you think you are so well versed in the history.
Who were the victors of the Falkland Island's Conflict?
Who captured over 11000 prisoners?
Thank you in advance.
-ilsen
@48 what a sad and sorry little malvinista you are
Mar 12th, 2015 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0What has that load of bollocks got to do with a 'Lujans' doll nicked from San Isidro station and taken to Rome?
What do your neighbours say ? ' thieves , every last one of them...'
They even nick Lujan dolls from train stations.... what a cunch of low life bunts
@21 Captain Silver
Mar 12th, 2015 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Henry VIII might have been a cruel despot but he largely liberate England from this load of old tosh, even if it was for his owns ends.”
A CRUEL DESPOT...? Horribile dictu...! HIS HOLINESS, THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND...! The GREAT WIDOWER, who lost several wives..! Certainly, he entertained himself by hanging catholics as rebels and burning lutherans as heretics...but it was rather “peccata minuta” in dealing with the murderer of Sir Thomas More , Bishop Fisher, and some unknown martyrs. You, who speak of “idolatry”, “popishness” etc. may remember that your heads were squeezed by this monster´s hind leg during a good number of years. He considered you beyond redemption, and consequently suppressed Purgatory of his church Credo. And, save for the above-mentioned handful of heroes, all his Kingdom, his Commons, his Lords, his Clergy, took the solemn oath of Obedience. They have learned very well the first (and last) Tudors Article of Faith: “The Prince´s wrath means death..!”.
@51
Mar 12th, 2015 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow! Thats relevant - NOT!
ilsen
Mar 12th, 2015 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“just a_voice” is here for one reason only, to call attention to himself.
You are quite right, there is no point talking to him.
He will do his best to change the subject to himself, or try to show off in some way.
Quite boring, just as his life must be.
My own theory is that he lives alone. It wouldn't be surprising, given his bullying attitude towards people.
I suspect he has a criminal record and cannot travel. None of his stories of recent travel seem to check out, and his travel
information seems to be very outdated or completely naive.
I wonder if it's exacerbated by limited funds - he seems very jealous of the purchasing power of even the Middle Class, not to mention ignorant of what they choose to spend money on.
Just a bitter curmudgeon who wants to share the misery.
Best ignored.
@Voice
Mar 12th, 2015 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You can no more prove evolution and the existence of life than he can prove the existence of God...”
Not true. The overwhelming evidence for evolution is in our DNA. One can track changes (genotypic and epigenetic) in the DNA of related animals that accounts precisely their phenotypic differences. And life can be proved by the electrical activities in the hearts and brains of a person, regardless of whether they are conscious or not. In contrast the only evidence for God relates to ancient manuscripts written by long dead authors we can no longer cross-examine.
@ 51 argfellow
Mar 12th, 2015 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah! You are back: what a pity.
You can keep your idolatry for the RCC, paedophiles par excellence to the world, to yourself.
how the hell do we get from Our Lady of Malvinas
Mar 12th, 2015 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to henry VIII,
if you argies or anyone else want to believe, that entirely up to you,
but we don't have to believe,
as some have said, Prove it,
you cant, so brainwashing may well be indoctrinated here over thousands of years,
as the wise man standing at the top of the stairs just before he cuts your bloody head of,
if I don't, the sun wont back, you do believe DONT YOU.
as the believers head goes bumpy bumpily down the stairs....
Get it,
Another brilliant attempt at proving how right the islanders are to have as little to do with you as possible.
Mar 12th, 2015 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only the deeply disturbed would think of using a war grave for nationalistic rubbish.
The fact that the islanders allow the cemetery and visitors to the graves is because they are decent human beings some the rg government and various mnalvistas could take lessons from.
@48
Mar 12th, 2015 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All your posts pointing to the fact that the British forces were not perfect during the Falklands War are fine but in that case why did the Brits win?
Don't you think that the Argentines showed just a little bit of incompetence?
Can you explain why the French Mercenaries on Pebble Island left in a Twin Otter just before the SAS arrived?
Why didn't they stay if the Argentines were so great?
It was bit of a fail invading somewhere where you weren't wanted and your country still doesn't get it!
“The idea of the initiative is to unite in the spirituality and in the Malvinas claim, all of the Argentine people” said Carlos Bonetti, a war veteran and president of the Malvinas Foundation”
Snr. Bonetti, ever heard of the ICJ if you think you have a cast iron case?
@27. You are undoubtedly one of the biggest prats that get on here. Not because of your imperialist, colonialist attitudes, but because of your sheer stupidity. If 'ilsen' can't prove he exists, why are you 'talking' to him? If he didn't exist, he couldn't make a comment, could he? Go lose yourself.
Mar 12th, 2015 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29. Stick your head up with your mouth open. I feel a need to pass a 'motion'.
@31. Doesn't exist. Interference. Sunspots.
@34. Doesn't exist. Interference. Sunspots.
@37. Doesn't exist. Interference. Sunspots.
@39. Please. You can't go around advocating shooting things. Could we suggest blasting the idol at Darwin with an anti-tank missile? What happens if a Typhoon flies over the burial ground and drops a bunker-buster? Could unwanted argie liquid remnants be pumped into a tank and then rolled out of the back of one of the many British C-130s over somewhere suitable? Mar del Plata? Buenos Aires? Pinky Poo's little house at the Casa Rosada? Or further south over the stolen territory of Patagonia?
@43. Please explain how you make an utter TWAT just look like an utter TWAT? Isn't there a trapdoor in the Vatican where he can drop the truly evil straight into the fires of Hell? Shouldn't CFK be wandering around down there begging for refrigeration to stop her 'face' falling off? Is this the real CFK? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MargaretHamiltoninTheWizardOfOz.jpg
And sick as a parrot as well.
@46. Idolatry is a cardinal sin. Tortured in Hell for eternity. Bits chopped off inch by inch. Implements inserted, revolving at 1000 rpm. I have some excellent ideas for your edification. Mallets. Mallets and chisels. Mallets and nails.
@48. What an ignorant, cowardly, lying tosspot. Lieutenant Colonel Herbert Jones was awarded the Victoria Cross posthumously. There is no higher accolade and/or honour in the entire world. Just shows how disgusting argies are. Why don't you give us an excuse?
@51. We have several Princes!
@56. Argie farts! Fire a LARGE cannonball in!
@46 malen
Mar 12th, 2015 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“our lady of Malvinas is everywhere and in everyone that believes in her .....its only a matter of faith......if you dont like her go and cry in the church”
If you believe in “la Virgen de Malvinas” then you are a heretic. And it is not a case of “liking her” - SHE DOESN'T EXIST! Why don't you check with the devout Catholics of the Falkland Islands? I am sure they will confirm they have never been visited by her.
we will have accomplished a goal that will be positive about our spirituality as a people and our union in the defense of our country's sovereignty rights”.
Mar 12th, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0absolutely agree with you,
defend Argentina by all means , but leave the bloody Falkland's alone,
oh and that goal you accomplished wasn't that the hand of god...lol
Why do idiotic Rgs reference things that happened 500yrs ago like its relevant today?
Mar 12th, 2015 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think they're all poisoned and delusional from drinking bad water.
All those Catholics buried in a cemetery named after the man who blew religion apart. Are they spinning in their graves?
Mar 12th, 2015 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63
Mar 13th, 2015 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0As I said in the very first post on this thread, but I am happy for you to repeat me.
;-)
1 ilsen, some history for you , pal, https://books.google.com/books?id=yZO9UFZORqcC&pg=PA51...
Mar 13th, 2015 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@65 georgegeneurus
Mar 13th, 2015 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0The “history” to which you bring our attention is, of course, NOT history but part of the lies, myths and fairy stories which make up the claim of Argentina. For example, how can a pope dispose of territories which 1) were not his to dispose of and 2) had not even been discovered at the time the bull was issued?
We have heard and seen all this nonsense so many times before “que ya aburre”!
And, of course, this nonsense has nothing to do with the non existence of “la Virgen de Malvinas”! ¡Qué boludo¡
@65 georgeneurus,
Mar 13th, 2015 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The heading says it all, george.
“View from Buenos Aires”
More lies from Argentina. Have you no shame? Blatant lies.
Spain left you nothing. Argentina was in open rebellion against Spain.
lf you are a successor state to Spain then how come you don't rule Mexico or the Philippines?
They were Spanish colonies, nothing to do with Argentina, mate.
You are just so full of it.
You malvinistas will lie, squirm & do anything to present your ridiculous “claims”.
Forget all the lies, georgy, old fruit, if you are SO SURE of your “claim”, then present your evidence to the ICJ.
Put up or shut up.
Gracias.
Same book, different page
Mar 13th, 2015 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yZO9UFZORqcC&pg=PA15&lpg=PR5&output=html_text
The view from Whitehall.
Haha!
Anyway. .....
Who cares for this US author? With zero reviews for his book. ...
Nevermind, what is the current status of the Islands?
British or Argentine?
Can't change facts.
@65 georgegeneurus
Mar 13th, 2015 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Further to the above, you should also be reminded that the papal bulls were issued by Pope Alexander VI, the “infamous” Papa Rodrigo Borja, born and bred in Valencia, Spain who was a “servant” of Isabel and Fernando, los Reyes Catolicos.
In 20 years time there will be a virgin of the stolen space station .
Mar 13th, 2015 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinistas , you worry about what is blatantly not yours , but don't raise a single comment about the fact that Crsitina is giving away a sizeable chunk of Neuquen to the Chinese .
Will they take your laptops , subsidies , choripan and free football away if you complain about that ?
TODO AQUEL ARGENTINO QUE PROMUEVE “LA VIRGEN DE LAS MALVINAS” O “NUESTRA SEÑORA DE LAS MALVINAS” ES UN HEREJE PUESTO QUE NUNCA HA APARECIDO LA VIRGEN MARIA EN LAS ISLAS FALKLAND/MALVINAS.
Mar 13th, 2015 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ES EL INVENTO MALVADO DE UNOS ENFERMOS MENTALES.
The 10 Commandments List in Exodus 20:2-17s.
Mar 13th, 2015 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Number 2
You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
My indoctrination into the Christian Religion ceased when I was expelled from the Church of Scotland Sunday School aged seven.
In view of the worship of a Barbie doll in a blue/white cloak, has this commandment been rescinded ?
@71
Mar 13th, 2015 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ya tengo las bolas al plato con lo de Malvinas.
@73 I am “up to here” with all the stupidities of Argentina over its claims to the Falkland Islands and this latest idiocy really “es el colmo”!
Mar 13th, 2015 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65
Mar 13th, 2015 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The papal bulls divvyied up the world between Spain and Portugual, but Argentina wasn''t mentioned because they didn't exist.
Despite the pope handing out the Americas to Spain and Portugual, explain why Canada and the USA don't have Spanish or Portuguese as their main language, If you can, heh heh).
And why doesn't South Georgia have Portuguese as its language?
=Papal bullshit.
The world wasn't the Pope's property to divide.
Mar 13th, 2015 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Much like Argentina's ridiculous “claims” to the Falklands.
Pope Francis revealed that he sometimes felt “used by politics” of Argentina.
Mar 13th, 2015 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Papa-Francisco-A-veces-me-he-sentido-usado-por-la-politica-de-la-Argentina-20150313-0073.html
Conqueror: It's not me claiming the British paras fragged 'H' Jones but his own men:
Mar 14th, 2015 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0”.. he had been shot by one of his own soldiers, allegedly because they thought he was about to lead them on a suicidal attack. Spencer Fitz-Gibbon claims to have come by this story at the Parachute Regiment Depot in 1984. He holds that it was circulating also in BAOR. Indeed, a researcher for this book even heard it stated convincingly by a London taxi driver in 2000! (H Jones VC: The Life & Death of an Unusual Hero, John Wilsey, Random House, 2003)
78 Alberto
Mar 14th, 2015 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0for someone who seems to research so much, you must know that your “histories” are only part truths, incomplete stories, and biased representations of events.
Good try at provocation and distraction - nobody is fooled, and you look like a prick, too.
All BS from you - nothing to do with the story at all
Honestly, this must be the most ridiculous article I have ever read here:
Mar 14th, 2015 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0““Our Lady of Malvinas” arrives in Antarctica; she will be enshrined in Ushuaia on 2 April
The REPLICA of an image...”
These people worship a REPLICA of an 'image', of a place that does not exist, that they will 'enshrine'...
So do they believe in pagan images, or do they subscribe to Catholic Old Testament rules that 'you shall not worship idols' ?
Or 'worship only one God'?
Is this replica an idol, a God, an image or what, exactly?
Are these people pagan savages, or Catholic believers?
Can any one have any faith (huh, huh), in what they do or say?
I expect they still believe in Astrology, or the Aztec Calendar that ended in 2012...
One more thing, @78 A B(ullshitter), “Indeed, a researcher for this book even heard it stated convincingly by a London taxi driver in 2000!”
Brilliant! What academic proof that must be!
A B(ullshitter) is content with the opinion of an un-named, non-referenced London taxi-driver for his historical facts!!
Oh My! Now I understand how Cristina has come to control and exploit these fools!
“Ah yes!, my mate told me a London taxi-driver once said...
---
Back in BsAs
Oh, and what star-sign are you? ooh Sagitarius, that means you must follow me, and do everything I say!”
-“Really Miss, you seem so wise, how can I get rich?”
”Well you must vote for me consistently, its only choripans and Futbal Para Todas for now, you must stay in your villa miseria, but you will have 72 virgins in heaven, (inset other bullshit here, of your choice)“
”ooh yes, Miss, do you know any other taxi-drivers in London, you see my cousin needs a job“
”Sure, vote for me, all will be fine...“
Next time, in Chapt II.
The Horrible History of the Mystery Hotel Rooms, and the Secrets of the Shadow Companies in Nevada.”
Coming Soon in Chapt III
The Huge Betrayal of Capt Nisman & Why He Had To Die, (oops! I meant fall on his sword, No I meant be killed by our Enemies, no! hang on, I meant... ummm...
#48 and# 78
Mar 14th, 2015 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Indeed, a researcher for this book even heard it stated convincingly by a London taxi driver in 2000! (H Jones VC: The Life & Death of an Unusual Hero, John Wilsey, Random House, 2003)”
Oh! so a London cabbie allegedly stated convincingly, (convincingly comrade) that allegedly.........so it must be right.
Haven't you H Jones conspiracy morons heard of defence in depth?
But one shouldnty be surprised by your gullibility, after all you have swallowed the great Argentine 'Malvinas' myth hook line and sinker.
@77 Leiard
Mar 14th, 2015 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0From your link ““Y los argentinos que no somos humildes, y que somos muy engreídos... ¿Usted sabe cómo se suicida un argentino?, le preguntó a la periodista. “¿No? ¡Se sube arriba de su ego y de ahí se tira abajo!”, remató.”
“And we Argentines who are not humble and are very vain........”Do you know how an Argentine commits suicide?“ the Pope asked his interviewer...”No? He climbs on top of his ego and then jumps off!”he finished.
The Holy Father is very wise!
This is a good one! The fake so-called “malvinas” islands, now have a fake “virgin lady” of the “malvinas.” No kidding.
Mar 14th, 2015 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth below, or that is in the water under the earth”
Mar 14th, 2015 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if it has been “Blessed” by Pope Malv the 1st Emissary of the Antichrist (according to Mr Paisley) and has “Made in China” stamped on the bottom.
Not long before people see it “shed tears” on some or other anniversary.
Or cut fruit in half and notice “a perfect image of a map of the Malvinas within”
Closely followed by an “Inquisition” (Cue Monty Pythons), which no one expects, “The Shoe the shoe, no the Gourd”.
Endless fun with this one.
@ Alberto Bertorelli
Did the Cabbie tell him where to find the Holy Grail as well?
@78
Mar 14th, 2015 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Indeed, a researcher for this book even heard it stated convincingly by a London taxi driver in 2000!”
Problem solved for Argentina-go to the ICJ and state that a London taxi driver was heard to support the Malvinas Myth-that evidence should convince the court.
downunder: British War Correspondent Max Hastings in his book Battle For The Falklands claims that 'H' Jones was shot in the back of the neck which calls into question the claim that he was killed charging an Argentine machinegun position on top of Darwin Hill, unless of course the Brit CO was retreating. According to Spencer Fitz-Gibbon in the book Not Mentioned In Despatches, Sergeants Blackburn and Norman who gave 'H' Jones first aid, noticed bullet holes on the backside but no exit wounds on the frontside, which would mean the CO was shot from behind, by one or more British paras armed with Sterling submachinguns, a standard issue in 2 Para and an oddity among the Argentine forces. The Argentines were in the main armed with FAL automatic rifles which fire high velocity bullets. Now the Sterlings fire low velocity bullets, ideal for close quarter combat like clearing trenches.
Mar 15th, 2015 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now the claim 'H' Jones was shot by his own men is not an Argentine invention, with the Royal Marines also making the same claim:
“He was fatally shot in the back during an assault on Goose Green in the Falklands War in 1982, and the Marines like to contend that, contrary to the official reports, his own men had done it.” (Amongst the Marines: The Untold Story, Steven Preece, Random House, 2011)
Now if you can prove the contrary, it would be greatly appreciated.
86 Alberto
Mar 15th, 2015 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Conspiracy Theorists sell a lot of books by sensationalising.
What was the official finding by the authorities?
Is this book translated to Spanish?
Is it a best-seller in Argentina?
86
Mar 15th, 2015 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I might just add to be fair...that you are assuming that the Argentines were in front of him and the Brits behind him,
I have read an account from an Argentine veteran that in his dash he had already passed some Argentine positions and so in effect, there were Argentines behind him..no doubt shooting at him....a crossfire...
Although I do distinctly remember at the time...all the rumours that he was disliked by his men and the shot in the back rumours....
I have mentioned this incident on Mercopress in the past.....so it is nothing new....
88
Mar 15th, 2015 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Shooting the officer in the back” is probably a very common snide joke amongst troops regarding an unpopular or strict officer.
Loose talk and speculation...
Firstly, I would like to say, that all this discussion is just a diversion from the Article. Namely, the weird Pagan practices of an obviously backward Nation, lost in its own mythology and unable to cope with modern realities.
Mar 15th, 2015 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Secondly, I am able to denounce Alberto Bertorelli entirely.
For example: @78 Alberto Bertorelli quotes from 'H Jones VC: The Life & Death of an Unusual Hero, John Wilsey, Random House, 2003'.
Random House, the Publisher say;
Synopsis
'A remarkable book - a worthy tribute both to the man John Wilsey calls 'an unusual hero' and to the ethos of the British Army in which he lived and died.' John Keegan in his ForewordThis is the biography of the Falklands War hero whose death in the battle for Darwin and Goose Green was one of the turning points in the whole campaign. It is written with the consent of H Jones's widow, Sara,'
The quote that Alberto Bertorelli provides in @78 is from Chapt Eleven, the very Chapter which sets out to expose and refute all the lies and falsehoods that have been spread, mainly by Argentina since his death.
This 'Alberto Bertorelli ' obviously just uses Google to find quotes that suit his views, but does no academic research.
I am pleased to expose him as both a liar and a fool.
I can only hope that other readers here take into account his lack of 'due diligence', and benefit from mine own.
- ilsen
#86 “Now if you can prove the contrary, it would be greatly appreciated”.
Mar 15th, 2015 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t need to prove anything; the official record of this event speaks for itself.
I will however, repeat what I posted earlier: “Have you never heard of defence in depth?” In case you don’t understand what that means, the Argentine foxholes were deployed in depth and H Jones was in the middle of them.
Apart from the dubious conjecture of a few conspiracy theorists, the only evidence that you have adduced to support your theory is the bullet wound and that certainly does not prove with any reliability the he was shot by a British weapon. There are a number of reasons why there may not have been an exit wound.
Your contention regarding this matter lacks credibility and defies logic.
It suits Argentines of your ilk to latch onto rumours like this, no matter how improbable, in order to blacken the name of a warrior who made a huge contributing to the British victory in the Falklands.
Like I said if you are gullible enough to believe the great Argentine Malvinas lie, you will believe anything.
Britain won the Falklands war, Britain deserved to win the Falklands war because Argentina was the aggressor and in the wrong. Get over it!
90 & 91
Mar 15th, 2015 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0C'mon, cut Alberto a break.
It was an embarrassing time for ARGENTINA.
They lost a conflict on their own doorstep.
A conflict they planned for years, and prepared for well in advance.
They were supplied from bases a few hundred km away vs a foe from 14,000 km away.
The Argentines had superior numbers of troops and planes. The Argentines were dug in, and they controlled the airport.
According to Alberto, the Args fought more bravely, and 'better' , whilst the Brits were shooting their officers in the back because they were afraid to advance, and we're running away from their positions.
and yet.. the Brits still won somehow, taking more than 11,000
prisoners.
Poor Alberto!
As it has been pointed out, Alberto is trying to distract from the real story:
They are calling for 'divine intervention' to deliver them the Falklands, as they have no hope otherwise.
Now, they have no dignity either, with this silly story!
The “whole world” is laffing at ARGENTINA!
As l once said--they are hoping for a miracle, and Argentina is fresh out of miracles.
Mar 15th, 2015 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have:-
1) No legitimate right to the Falklands,
2) No legal right to the Falklands,
3) No moral right to the Falklands.
4)No historical right to the Falklands,
5) No proof of any type of ownership,
6) No will to take ANY evidence to the ICJ,
7) No military power to invade again.
What have they got?
Nothing.
Thats why they are praying for a miracle!
(maybe hoping that the Chinese fleet will capture the Falklands & just hand them over to Argentina!) lolz
Troy Tempest: Well how come no exit wounds to debunk the British claims that 'H' Jones was fragged? How come Second Lieutenant Robert Lawrence from Right Flank Company 2SG got shot in the back of the head during the Battle of Tumbledown? I mean, was he too retreating?
Mar 15th, 2015 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0#94
Mar 15th, 2015 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are many ways you could be shot in the back. Being stationary and turning round to look at something. Over running an enemy position in the dark. Battle lines are fluid--men can be scattered in the dark and be unsure where the fire is coming from. Endless possibilities..
The one INDISPUTABLE FACT is that the Argentinians were pushed off Tumbledown by a bayonet charge by a more determined force.
Anyway what has this to do with Our Lady of the Malvinas ?
@94 How come half a dozen RGs reckon they shot 'H' Jones? Oh... thats an easy one... RGs lie... its in their genes.
Mar 15th, 2015 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a sad and sorry excuse for a fuckwit.
Frank: Okay let's examine some of the British lies, during just one confrontation, Operation Rosary on 2 April 1982. The British Marines lied about destroying an amphibious personnel carrier on 2 April 1982. They also claimed to have destroyed that day an Argentine landing craft full with troops, but that was proven to be another lie by British historian Martin Middlebrook in his book The Fight For The Malvinas. Corporal Geordie Gill along with Corporal Terry Pares also lied about shooting dead several Argentines outside Government House. Amazing, but true.
Mar 15th, 2015 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@97 Alberto Bertorelli,
Mar 15th, 2015 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who really cares about your conspiracy theories?
The fact is that your unwelcome invading troops were decisively booted out of our territory after 74 days.
Out-& stay out.
Don't come back, you're not wanted here.
And no, you do NOT own the Falklands-WE do!
@97
Mar 15th, 2015 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's see what British historian Martin Middlebrook actually did write :
“Thus ended the only action of the day for the 2nd Marines. The fact that no-one was observed to emerge from the first Amtrac to be engaged encouraged the Royal Marines to think that one of their rocket rounds had punched a hole in it and that some of the machine-gun fire had penetrated the hole and caused severe casualties among the men inside. Local civilians who observed the action optimistically supported this view later. There was no rocket-hit, however, just the scars of ninety-seven machine gun bullets. Only one argentine marine was lightly wounded by a sliver of metal cutting his hand.”
Martin Middlebrook, Argentine Fight for the Falklands, p 37.
There are lies, damned lies, and desperate Argentine attempts to comfort themselves with deceitful propaganda.
His Holiness the Pope has recently and very publicly recognised that his countrymen are generally both lacking in humility and are vain. Why is it so impossible for the Argentine nation not to agree with their most famous countryman?
Mar 15th, 2015 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@99 Hans
Mar 15th, 2015 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done.
It seems that, like Pablo, and Think, and other Argentines on MP, Alberto either makes incomplete quotes, in accurate quotes, or takes them out of context.
If one must obscure the truth (lie) to argue a pointhow much credibility does that leave you?
@101
Mar 15th, 2015 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As we've seen, in Malvinista logic a “lie” is just anything that contradicts your preconception.
@100
It's a lie! Argentine is the most humble country in the world!
@102 Hans
Mar 15th, 2015 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0far more humble, in fact very superior humbleness, way more humble than those 'not worthy to speak to us' Isleters!
@100 “It's a lie! Argentine is the most humble country in the world!”
Mar 15th, 2015 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What arrogance! Ha! Ha!
(98) Isolde Babykins...
Mar 15th, 2015 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hope Pam hasn´t caused you too much damage...
(99) HansNiesund
Let's see what poster (97) Alberto Bertorelli actually did write... :
“The British Marines lied about destroying an amphibious personnel carrier on 2 April 1982.......
They also claimed to have destroyed that day an Argentine landing craft full with troops........., but that was proven to be another lie by British historian Martin Middlebrook in his book The Fight For The Malvinas.”
That is precisely what British historian Martin Middlebrook actually did write....... isn´t it?
I “Think” you owe Mr. Bertorelli an apology.... and owe yourself to try to read more carefuly what other posters write... instead of, under the influence of your Falklandist logic, hastily calling everybody a liar just because they contradict your Engrish preconceptions.
And the Argentinians sank HMS Invincible at least twice, have claimed that the British were hiding their actual war dead of about 1500 and in a generation will no doubt have actually claimed to have been the victors.
Mar 15th, 2015 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time to move on !
@105
Mar 16th, 2015 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just to avoid any further confusion, let me explain my understanding of what a “lie” is: it's when somebody says something they know to be false.
It's subtle, I know, but this is quite different from, for example, being mistaken about something.
IN this respect, I am sure you will not of you read British historian Martin Middelbrook's text again, that there is no suggestion that anybody lied about anything. In fact it's quite the reverse. He explicitly attributes the Amtrac incident to a mistake rather than a lie.
The only “lie” here, therefore is Signor Bertorelli's lie that British historian Martin Middelbrook supports his allegation that Marines lied about damage to the Amtrac. But British historian Martin Middelbrook has quite clearly said no such thing.
Then we have Signor Bertorelli's allegation that British Marines claim to have destroyed that day an Argentine landing craft full with troops, “was proven to be another lie by British historian Martin Middlebrook”.
Once again, what British historian Martin Middlebrook actually writes is :
“The claim made on their [a party of 6 Marines]behalf that they holed and sank an Argentina landing craft with a rocket projectile at the harbour mouth is unfounded” (p41)
And that's it. All of it. That's the entire text that British historian Martin Middlebrook devotes to “proving” this “lie”. And the only problems with Signor Bertorelli's allegation are that a) there was no suggestion that anybody lied about anything, b) not even a claim was made by British Marines and c) British historian Martin Middlebrook has made no effort to prove or disprove anything.
I “Think” therefore that Signor Bertorelli stands fair and square in the Malvinista tradition of unsupported specious bullshit and is therefore deserving of exposure, rather than apology.
HansNiesund:
Mar 16th, 2015 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lieutenant Bill Trollope, with No. 2 Section, describes the action:
“ Six Armoured Personnel Carriers began advancing at speed down the Airport Road. The first APC was engaged at a range of about 200 to 250 metres. The first three missiles, two 84 mm and one 66 mm, missed. Subsequently one 66 mm fired by Marine Gibbs, hit the passenger compartment and one 84 mm Marines [George] Brown and [Danny] Betts hit the front. Both rounds exploded and no fire was received from that vehicle. The remaining five APCs which were about 600 to 700 metres away deployed their troops and opened fire. We engaged them with GPMG, SLR and sniper rifle [Sergeant Shepherd] for about a minute before we threw a white phosphorus smoke grenade and leap-frogged back to the cover of gardens. Incoming fire at that stage was fairly heavy, but mostly inaccurate.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_invasion_of_the_Falkland_Islands
@ 105
Mar 16th, 2015 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0But Drink, your mendacity is well documented here. Talk about lies coming from you is worth all of a loud horselaugh. Did you finally manage to knife an Afro Argentine last Christmas, or are we to suppose that you are, in the view of your own supposed “culture,” less than a man until next holiday season? More on topic, wouldn't it be more appropriate to enshrine a statue of Gaucholito Antonio Gil in the cathedral? I understand that he answers the prayers of those who need aid in committing theft. A far more relevant receptacle of your entreaties, no?
http://www.corrienteshoy.com/galeria/2198466714_aa039c0bac_cccc.jpg
http://www.corrienteshoy.com/galeria/2198466714_aa039c0bac_cccc.jpg
# 105 in doubt
Mar 16th, 2015 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“That is precisely what British historian Martin Middlebrook actually did write....... isn´t it?”
Refer to post #107. No’ it isn’t!
You need to apologise to everybody for being a time waster and an oxygen thief!
Somewhere in the world, there is a village without its idiot.
@108
Mar 16th, 2015 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for proving my point. Trollope's account is entirely consistent with Middlebrook's analysis, and in consequence entirely inconsistent with your original claim of lying Marines exposed by Middlebrook.
But speaking of consistency, this is entirely typical of Malvinista efforts to construct enormous anglophobic edifices on the shakiest of foundations, and the extremely peculiar practice of providing references that undermine your own argument. Do keep it up.
malvinistas--a weird species in a world of their own.
Mar 16th, 2015 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lying isn't really lying, if you believe the lie yourself or if its in your interests to lie & you think that people will believe it.
@105 Think,
Thank you for your concern Cher Think.
Our house was slightly damaged but nothing that we can't fix.
You remembered.
Awww! thats cute.
HansNiesund: We are talking about an official post-battle report coming from the NP8901 War Diary. In other words the Royal Marines involved in the action claimed to have hit an Argentine amphibious personnel carrier with two anti-tank rockets, that Lt. Trollope says exploded. In other words, the Royal Marines lied. For the full story and the Argentine version of the failed British rocket attacks I leave you the following:
Mar 16th, 2015 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_invasion_of_the_Falkland_Islands
#113
Mar 16th, 2015 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about the ”peaceful attack on Moody Brooks barracks.
Who lied about this ? Tear gas, stun grenades and firing blanks ?
Howww2incolor.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-4833.html
@113
Mar 16th, 2015 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And thank you once more for confirming my point:
“The Amtrac on the right manoeuvred itself off the road into a little depression and as it did so, disembarked the Marines inside out of view. This encouraged the Royal Marines to think that Marine Mark Gibbs had scored a direct hit on the passenger compartment of the APC.”
A mistaken belief is not the same as a lie. A lie is a deliberate intent to deceive by making a statement that is known to be false.
One example would be your claim that British historian Martin Middlebrook has provided evidence in support of your smear campaign, but this is pretty small potatoes in terms of the general levels of Argentine mendacity surrounding the Falklands.
This one is much better :
https://laculturamediatizada.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/escanear00049.jpg
Quite a different kettle of the fish from a soldier's belief in the confusion of battle, wouldn't you say?
Clyde15:
Mar 16th, 2015 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RI 25 troops outside the intact Moody Brook Barracks
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4009/5167824839_14f7c69374_n.jpg
601 Commando Company officers outside the intact Moody Brook
Barracks.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4009/5167824839_14f7c69374_n.jpg
The Royal Marines lied when they claimed the Moody Brooks Barracks were destroyed on 2 April. The NP8901 Barracks was destroyed in a Harrier attack on 12 June. For more info read the wikipedia page above to do with Operation Rosary.
I exposed the liar and fool AB further up the thread.
Mar 16th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which he conveniently ignored.
He also ignores answering one simple question.
Who won the war in 1982?
And the FALKLANDS are STILL a BOT, however you paint it.
Mar 16th, 2015 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@117
Mar 16th, 2015 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And as each lie is exposed, he whips out another one. This could go on for a while.
He is all over the site, spouting off about battles from yester - year. One can only presume he is an Argentine having difficulty facing current reality.
Mar 16th, 2015 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#116
Mar 16th, 2015 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who writes Wikipedia ?
Read below.
britishempire.co.uk/forces/armycampaigns/.../moodybrook.
Moody Brook was the barracks of the NP8901 team on the islands. In this picture you can see the accomodation block on left, galley and store in the centre and the signals room/officer/sgt mess and accomodation on the right. It was the first target of attack by the Argentinians on the morning of April 2nd and the rooms were systematically destroyed by grenades in a text book example of house clearing. It was later claimed by the Argentinians that orders had been given to not harm anyone on the islands during the invasion. Whilst this was possibly true for the civilian population, the evidence at Moody Brook suggests that this instruction was not intended to be applied to the Royal Marine defenders. Fortunately, there were no Royal Marines in the building as it was attacked as they had all taken up defensive positions.
(112) lsolde
Mar 16th, 2015 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice to know that in the eventuality of you and your family choosing to leave voluntarily them windblown South Atlantic Islands after the forthcoming Argentinean overtake..., you still have your own little place in them other windblown South Pacific Islands to rest your cute petite derrière at...
(115) Hans Niesund
'ALLO 'ALLO !!!
It is a well known fact that ALL soldiers of ALL Armed Farces in the world lie up to their neck about their military exploits...
Engrish ones are not a tad better, as handsome Capitano Alberto Bertorelli...
http://royalnation.webs.com/photos/male-actors/roger%20kitter.jpg
so clearly demonstrates above... using exclusively friendly Engrish sources.
@ Alberto Bertorelli
Mar 16th, 2015 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do realise that none of this is going to change the outcome of the war, or the situation as it is today.
Other than an exercise in mudslinging and hoping some sticks, seriously what do you hope to gain or change?
To all the brainwashed Anglos that have mentioned above the “Murderous Argentinean attack and destruction of the Royal Marines barracks at Moody Brook on the 02 April 1982”...
Mar 16th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Herewith some video footage of the above mentioned Moody Brook barracks on the 22 April 1982...:
(From minute 21:50 to minute 27:20)
As you can see..., all intact..., no bullet holes on the outside nor the inside..., no holes on the roofs..., no sod on the white painted walls..., not even a broken glass on them windows...
Engrish brainwash anybody?
124 Think
Mar 16th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You might want to remember to actually post the footage Mr. Think....;-)))
Ooooooooooooooooooops...
Mar 16th, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vXss7SPUnBk
(From minute 21:50 to minute 27:20)
Enjoy...
@122
Mar 16th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come, come, Senor Think, if that's you riding to the rescue, I'm sorry to say it's rather a poor effort.
Handsome Capitano Bertorellie has been unable to substantiate that any lie has been told by anybody, while the source he cites in support of his contention actively contradicts it.
Your response to this rhetorical debacle is the kind of generic, all purpose, neither provable nor disprovable slur that you typically resort to when you've got nothing to work with. It's as sure a sign of failure as my friend Cabeza Dura claiming he's won.
@122 Think,
Mar 16th, 2015 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well sorry to disappoint you, dear Think, BUT:-
1)
Argentina will NOT be taking over the Falklands in the foreseeable future.
2)
We will NOT be leaving here at all.
3)
Even if we did go to live in Vanuatu, l only own 1/3 of the house & it wouldn't be big enough for our family anyway.
May even sell my share yet……l'd probably get more money for it than the entire cash holdings of Argentina. lol!
@126 Think
Mar 16th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me just add that I was inclined to give Argentina the benefit of the doubt on the question of the alleged assault on Moody Brrok barracks, right up until the point when I was invited to swallow as evidence a propaganda film shot by the Argentine Armed Farces some three weeks later, as if even the Argentine Armed Farces were incapable of repairing the building in the intervening period.
Think: Ignore HansNiesund and ilsen. If they cannot accept that NP8901 lied in their post battle report, there is something seriously wrong with their mental faculties. I guess both a young adolescent Kelpers, the kind that gets drunk on the weekend and goes out with his mates to desecrate the floral tributes and memorial plaques Argentine war veterans leave outside Puerto Argentino.
Mar 16th, 2015 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(128) Isolde, dahling...
Mar 16th, 2015 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What an opinionated bint you can be!
I notice though that you don't contest my assertion about your cute petite one...
Women!
;-)
@130
Mar 16th, 2015 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
Seriously, Capitano, your assumptions are every bit as well-founded as your arguments, and you're discrediting yourself further with every post.
Where's this Puerto Argentino, by the way?
Alberto Bertorelli
Mar 17th, 2015 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just answer the question.
Who won the War in 1982?
132 Hans
Mar 17th, 2015 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Seriously, Capitano, your assumptions are every bit as well-founded as your arguments, and you're discrediting yourself further with every post.”
Hans,
As “Alberto” is just as likely to be “Think”, why do you bother... ?
We already know Think is a racist and a liar.
@134
Mar 17th, 2015 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Troy, it's a character defect. Sometimes I just cannot resist a wide-open goal.
@131 Think,
Mar 17th, 2015 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not opinionated, just trying to let you know how things really are.
You've lived in cloud cuckoo land long enough.
Never even noticed your innuendo……why do you have to be so sleazy, Think?
lt must be a male malvinista thing.
All part of the weird malvinista cult with their strange idols and insane belief system.
Mar 17th, 2015 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently they have odd rituals too, like celebrating military failure.
Almost as weird as investing in a business in Venezuela....what kind of a fcukwit would do that...?
Mar 17th, 2015 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wait a minute....;-)))
Quick! Cause a diversion!
Mar 17th, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...by saying cause a diversion
Mar 17th, 2015 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0138 Avoice
Mar 17th, 2015 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking of diversions,
”Almost as weird as investing in a business in Venezuela....what kind of a fcukwit would do that...?
Wait a minute....;-)))“
Venzla has nothing to do with ”Our Lady of the Malvinas”
Just an opening to be mealy-mouthed, Voice??
15 years ago, it was quite possible to have profitable businesses in Venezuela, especially if you lived there
The disastrous Bolivarian Revolution and populist policies of Chavez and Masuro have taken a prospering Petro state and run it into the ground.
...and your comment has what...exactly to do with ”Our Lady of the Malvinas”...Doh!
Mar 17th, 2015 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello!
Is it me you're looking for?
I can see it in your eyes
I can see it in your smile
You're all I've never wanted
And my arms are open wide
'cause you know just what to say
And you know just what to do
And I want to tell you so much
...Fcuk you...;-))))
(136) Isolde..., babykins...
Mar 17th, 2015 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can a reference to one of this universe most magnificent creations..., a well proportioned, childbearing aged, female derrière can..., in any imaginable way..., be considered “Sleazy”....?
Search me...!
(Chuckle chuckle...)
@142, 143
Mar 18th, 2015 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Noise and Drink, in spite of your socialist leanings, it would seem to be advisable for you to to champion the enshrinement of Gauchito Gil at the cathedral instead of this false Madonna crap. As I pointed out, he is a patron of those who steal, and I am sure you kurepi hinchas need all the help you can get. ;)
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsamu9towd.gif
142 just a_voice
Mar 18th, 2015 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0ha ha ,,, you're a miserable old curmudgeon, ain't you?
:-D
Voicey has nothing but his hatred, bile and spittle. Thankfully he has become redundant in the modern world. He has been left behind by society through his own blindness to reality.
Mar 18th, 2015 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let him join the dinosaurs, he is no longer relevant.
@ 146 ilsen
Mar 18th, 2015 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least the dinosaurs had titchy little brains!
@147 ChrisR
Mar 18th, 2015 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And huge in comparison to voicey's brace of neurons.
Do you think his head rattles when he walks, well, when he tries to walk upright, that is?
146 ilsen
Mar 18th, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“He has been left behind by society through his own blindness to reality.”
He's probably been left behind by his wife too...
147
Mar 18th, 2015 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a strange comment...
the Ginger Minge says...“Let him join the dinosaurs, he is no longer relevant.”
To which you reply...“At least the dinosaurs had titchy little brains!”
Which obviously implies that I have a bigger brain...did you really think that one through...?
In fact it was so stupid that Ginge had to come to your rescue and bring some sense to your comment with...“And huge in comparison to voicey's brace of neurons.”...
Which in itself is ludicrous as the whole body has several different types of Neurones...they are the core component of the nervous system....
There are sensory, motor and connector neurones...
Why do I have to suffer idiots....?
@150 Voice
Mar 18th, 2015 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well actually, you don’t.
You do choose to come here.
150 i am just a_voice
Mar 18th, 2015 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“
Which in itself is ludicrous as the whole body has several different types of Neurones...they are the core component of the nervous system....
There are sensory, motor and connector neurones...
Why do I have to suffer idiots....?”
Don't you mean “neurons”, as it is spelled in the original post that you quoted?
Not a typo, as you did it twice.
Why do we have to suffer idiots?
152
Mar 18th, 2015 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I forgot you aren't a Brit....
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neurone
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neurone
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neurone
Proving my point...why oh why do I have to suffer idiots....
@ 150 Voice
Mar 18th, 2015 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was at least hoping you were telepathic and able to follow my train of thought as everyone on here clearly did: so that's another little failure on your part.
“Why do I have to suffer idiots....?”
Well if you think that please leave and never trouble yourself again by posting your inane comments (def: lacking sense, significance, or ideas; silly: inane questions, etc.).
Pleased to help.
Poor recovery Chris...
Mar 18th, 2015 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seeing as I always take it easy on you these days, I'm going to let you have that...
Well done...splendid retort..touche and all that...;-)
You should just leave voicey, you have nothing to contribute and are consistently derided and proved an idiot.
Mar 19th, 2015 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just leave.
You are the Johnny Come Lately Ginge....shouldn't it be you leaving....
Mar 19th, 2015 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should rid your country of the cursed Ginger Minge....offer the ultimate sacrifice...
You know what to do...spare future generations...your country demands it...
157 Voice
Mar 19th, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking of leaving, and future generations
- if you had kids, I bet they left with your wife.
Probably like their new 'Dad' far better.
Is he an Englishman?
We all know you have neither a wife nor kids....and never have had...
Mar 19th, 2015 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are easily read....
There is only you that doesn't realise this....;-)))
159 a_voice
Mar 19th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you say “wife”, you mean, “punching bag”, right?
How many times did you go up about it?
160
Mar 19th, 2015 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0????....weirdo....
161
Mar 19th, 2015 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You are easily read.... ”
How much of 'your' money does she get?
Is that why you don't travel?
Don't forget the restraining order. He is not allowed in the same town as his ex - wife and kids.
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