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Argentine president main speaker at Falklands war ceremony and enshrinement of “Our Lady of Malvinas”
Argentine president Cristina Fernandez will be the main speaker at the commemoration of the 33rd anniversary of the start of the Falklands/Malvinas war, to be held April second in the city of Ushuaia and which will also include a political-religious ceremony. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules...“commemoration of the 33rd anniversary of the start of the Falklands/Malvinas war”
Apr 01st, 2015 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Celebrating starting a war, really classy.
Will tinpot be adding this to his letter(s) to the UN?
@1:
Apr 01st, 2015 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're far too generous.
They're celebrating starting a war and subjugating the legitimate inhabitants of another's sovereign territory, which was invaded on false pretences - the Malvinas Lie.
Paul-Marcos=Axel and you others:
Apr 01st, 2015 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0What can be lower more stupid - more bad mannered- more dumbo thicker - more pigheaded and ignorant -more internationally laughable and stupid - than a Country and its Govt that actually commemorates the start or a war it started- and then lost??????????
“Our Lady of the Malvinas” virgin, which reached Ushuaia after two years of peregrination visiting the 23 Argentine provinces and even the Marambio base in Antarctica,
Apr 01st, 2015 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0She must have been travelling by Aerolineas Argentinas, been bumped off flights and missed connections to take 2 years to reach Ushuaia.
Every year we get this nonsense. Commentating the start of a war were thousands of people were killed, injured or suffered the loss of loved ones.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0These Malvinistas are on a different planet. There is absolutely nothing worth discussing until these belligerent bananas grow up and apologise for their actions and stop the bullying of a small community hundreds of miles of their coast.
Surely this is a matter for the UK to take to the UN. It is only necessary to examine the Preamble and first few Articles of the UN Charter to see that war should not be glorified. The UK commemorates wars - the end of them. Where's Britain's commemoration of an unjustified attack? Where's the memorial to an illegal invasion? Where's the monument to an illegitimate occupation? And argies worshipping idols as well!
Apr 01st, 2015 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0#4 Clyde
Apr 01st, 2015 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was then a miracle that she arrived at all...
There is an old story about Argentina gathering the top world advisors together to study how to solve the economic problems of Argentina. After several months of careful evaluations, the consensus was that there were only two.
A practical solution and a miraculous one:
The practical solution was for the Virgin Maria herself to descend from the heavens and bestow the Argentine people a trillion dollars in cash.
The miraculous solution would be for the Argentines to be thankful for the riches they already have, work harder and expect less from their government…
It appears they are condoning the act of the desperate junta in power at the time. Like they did something good. Although it did lead to their downfall.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another useless ceremony!
Apr 01st, 2015 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“According to Argentine law”--the plonkers believe that they rule the Falklands.
Well, l've got news for you, bucko.
“Get lost”! your writ doesn't run here.
Who in their right mind would want anything to do with the posturing idiots?
And NO, There will be NO “negotiations”with you pillocks.
I love this time of year. Nothing says nah-na-na-na-naah like the Argentines reminding themselves of what they were in reality probably closer to having before they invaded.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes folks, it's the 33rd anniversary of Argentina actually losing any possibility of ever having sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
They can myth make all they want. That's the reality. People like Think, Marcos, Paul, Enrique, Stevie, Vestige etc prove it ad nauseum.
I am pretty fed up with this stupid stunt of “Our Lady of Malvinas” - it is absurd to “invent” such a reminder of the Virgin Mary.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am assuming that most readers of this news item from mercopress will be aware that Catholics believe that the Virgin Mary, from time to time over the centuries, actually appears to believers viz. Lourdes(France), Guadalupe(Mexico), Walsingham(England) and each of these appearances are celebrated by the establishment of reminders of these events such as Our Lady of Lourdes, The Virgin of Guadalupe and Our Lady of Walsingham.
The Virgin Mary has NEVER appeared in the Falklands/Malvinas either to the current residents nor, indeed, to the invading troops of 1982. So Argentina is guilty of heresy by the “invention” of this so called “Our Lady of Malvinas.”
No true Catholic will recognise this abject absurdity invented by heretics!
#11 Gordo
Apr 01st, 2015 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm on your side, but “Our Lady of Malvinas.” was blessed by Pope Francis...
A claim without a case can only be described as an illegitimate claim and worthless.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.academia.edu/10490336/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims
”Apparently the idea of the “Our Lady of the Malvinas” virgin image was first launched by former Buenos Aires city cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, (now Pope Francis) back in 2012 together with a group of war veterans“
Apr 01st, 2015 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Proof, if proof were needed of the involvement of the argie chief twat of the RCC in this utter nonsense.
Batshit mad the lot of them.
Still, the plastic faced one will be ”revered” during this idiocy, I don't know about the little dolly.
So, now the Pope is made an Argentinian Politician; and God is on their side.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Propaganda at its worst.
Obama Lifts Freeze on Argentinian Weapon Sales
Apr 01st, 2015 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Today April 1st 2015-04-01
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/budget/2015/03/31/white-house-lifts-freeze-on-egyptian-weapon-sales/70718296/
WASHINGTON — The White House lifted an executive hold on weapon sales to Argentina Tuesday, as part of a broader attempt to “modernize” the military relationship between the two countries.
President Obama informed Argentinian President Christina Fernandez kirchner of the change in the administration's posture,
In a statement announcing the change, National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan noted that the administration has been tracking the Argentine situation since that 1982 freeze went into effect.
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There are both immediate and long-term impacts of the change in posture. In the short term, the US will clear the sale of 12 F-16 aircraft, 20 Harpoon missiles and up to 125 M1A1 Abrams tank kits, which had been held up. Obama has also pledged $1.3 billion in foreign military financing (FMF) for argentina.
That is good news for both an argentinian military that has been awaiting upgraded equipment, in its stance against the British,
Also in 2018, the FMF funding for Argentina will be targeted to four specific categories – counterterrorism, border security, maritime security and an improved modern navy – as well as sustainment for existing weapons. Although not stated in the news release, guiding how FMF dollars are used will allow the US to help shape Argentina military strategies against her enemies
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In a statement, House Armed Services Committee chairman Rep. Mac Thornberry, R-TX., praised the decision.
”We encourage the government of argentina to continue its democratic process,“and the recovery of its or any lost territory, Thornberry said. ”But argentina is also a strong regional ally. Maintaining that relationship must be a priority for the U.S. Email: amehta@defensenews.com
Twitter: @AaronMehta
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@12. Who's an argie and therefore worthless.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's a picture of the outline of the Falkland Islands behind the fat cow. How about we have a picture of argieland with the Union Flag superimposed? Maybe a picture of a nuclear warhead being launched being launched by a ballistic missile submarine.
'In this occasion according to the organizers of the event, Alejandro (Alexander) Betts, “the Falklander of British origin who decided to become Argentine” will be talking about the Malvinas Islands.'
And will it be 'sniper time' for the traitor?
'The image is a replica of the 'Our Lady of Luján' which stands at the Argentine memorial in the Falklands.'
So destroy it all. Time to remove the rotting corpses damaging the Falklands environment. Is there a nearby cliff?
“The virgin will now be placed in a special shrine next to the cenotaph that remembers our heroes in the Islas Malvinas square in Ushuaia” said Carlos Llamas, head of the local veterans association.
Tiny little shrine 10% the size of a London phone box. To properly remember the argie 'heroes'.
Who cares what she says, what she thinks , or who she prays to,
Apr 01st, 2015 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she will be gone soon and forgotten.
And the British Falkland's will remain.
I've heard of some pretty elaborate April Fool's Day hoaxes, but this has to be the most elaborate of all !!!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 01st, 2015 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UNITED BRITISH ISLES,
Apr 01st, 2015 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stated today that it has warned CFK that any attack real invisible or otherwise upon the Falkland’s would be considered an attack on them,
They have now been WARNED.
Signed below,
Shetland, Orkney, and the Hebrides, Inner Hebrides and Outer Hebrides.[1] also clusters of islands in the Firth of Clyde, Firth of Forth, and Solway Firth, including Loch Lomond and Loch Maree.
Alderny sark guernsey, herm,
Anglesey Bardsey Island
Great island , achile island
Asparagus Island
Baker's Island
Barrow Island
Islands of Furness
Birnbeck Island
Brownsea Island
Burgh Island
Burnt Island Isles of Scilly
Burntwick Island
Burrow Island
Canvey Island
Chapel Island
Islands of Furness
Cindery Island
Essex
Cobmarsh Island
Coquet Island
Crow Island
Deadmans Island
Denny Island
Drake's Island
Dova Haw
English Island
Foulness Island
Foulney Island
Fowley Island
Furzey Island
Gigger's Island
Godrevy Island
Great Cob Island
Great Ganinick
Green Island
Barry Island
Caldey Island
Cardigan Island
Church Island
And to countenance the pope, we have=
Holy Island
We also have a Holy Isle in the Firth of Clyde.....owned by Buddhists !
Apr 01st, 2015 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor CFK so many islands, she wont know which one to go for...lol
Apr 01st, 2015 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Deranged, disgusting group of people.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Odious.
The malvinas lie.
These people are on the same level as child sex offenders.
After two years being shunted around every corner of Argentina does anyone seriously believe that Our Lady of Malvinas is still a virgin?
Apr 01st, 2015 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voodoo Politics meets the Voodoo version of Catholicism.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A marriage made in hell.
Now we can watch these superstitious savages celebrate their own failure.
Can't fix stupid.
So the graven image has been pissed on by the Pope and visited every province of Argentina except of course the Malvinas.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
And now the great ungodly and the hapless fools gather to worship it in celebration of starting an unjust war, which they lost.
Whilst loudly complaining of “Unnecessary and unjustified tension in the South Atlantic”.
How long before someone sees it “shed tears” on some or other anniversary.
Each to their own I suppose.
@ 15 Room101
All part of the indoctrination process, the mechanism may have been flawed (but they did come dammed close to winning don’t forget, according to modern versions of Argy history) but the cause is just and righteous blessed by the Pope hisself.
@12 Chicureo
Apr 01st, 2015 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This nonsensical image is a replica of an image of our Lady of Lucán which is in the Argentine cemetery at Port Darwin, East Falkland. We only have the Argentine word that the Holy Father blessed this replica - I don't believe their version.
I believe that the Pope may have blessed the replica of our Lady of Lucán WITHOUT being aware that once in it was in the hands of the former combatants it would be renamed “Our Lady of the Malvinas” - since his assumption of the Papacy he has been very careful not to get involved in the matter of the Falklands/Malvinas.
There is no religious connection with this “stunt” - it is an attempt to “sanitise” the “Malvinas son Argentinas” claims by way of religious fervour. What a sick lot of plonkers.
Celebrating the military dictatorship and the attack on a peaceful people - how cute.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh look, the Argentine President and her henchman Timmerman, being the April fools AGAIN.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although this might play well to those like think, paul, vestige, pgerman etc, it only reinforces to the world just WHY Argentina should never be allowed anywhere near the Falkland Islands.
Only a deeply disturbed or evil country would celebrate an invasion of a peaceful land by a brutal military dictatorship. Currently Argentina falls into both...disturbed and evil.
@23. I don't think they've managed to attain the high moral principles of child sex offenders.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After all, is there anything deranged, depraved or degenerate that isn't 'legal' in argieland?
#27 Gordo
Apr 01st, 2015 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think so as well.
@ 16 Briton
Apr 01st, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“white-house-lifts-freeze-on-egyptian-weapon-sales”
Funny way of spelling 'Argentina' you little monkey!
Zoobaydee!
Apr 01st, 2015 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is the freak show heading next, roll up roll up, come and see “our lady with the strap-on penis”. Bend over and bless that Francis.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm so going to hell :-)
Suppose the Falkland Islands authorities were to mark out an area that would increase the size of the Argentine cemetery by about 150% - I wonder how much publicity that would get in Argieland.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just look at what 'Papa' had to do with TMBOA: it's so funny!
Apr 01st, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6riw0CjaBE&index=9&list=PLrbRAeXvEr8kP_tg8dKotL8ZFkAvZQPrP
I propose we put a statue of Christina in Port Stanley.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give her some concrete boots and ship her off. Let the seagulls peck her to bits and shit all over her. Will be a fitting end.
32 ChrisR
Apr 01st, 2015 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry couldn't resist it,
APRIL FOOLS DAY like . lol
Why would anyone even contemplate or give a first thought to eating English cuisine? With all the great food in Argentina alone, it makes no sense given that the English are known for absolutely nothing in the area of food preparation.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody hell it's only a replica! send the original back from the islands and if the bitch wants to make Malvinas propoganda with their dead, send their bloody remains back as well. Better still, ship them off collect postage to the Vatican, marked for the attention of his holiness the papal shit stirrer. That should put a stop to their fun and give the bitch something else to moan to the UN about.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So this is all taking place next to the Beagle Channel eh?
Apr 01st, 2015 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Named after HMS Beagle, an English ship, which carried Charles Darwin as a passenger. One of the most important scientists in the history of the world.
British chap, I'm told....
I wonder what he would have to say about the 'evolution' of these superstitious Argentines worshipping plastic deities and celebrating LOSING a war?
Hmm... rejecting facts and reason in favour of superstition and myth, whilst believing that defeat by your enemies is a positive outcome.
Doesn't sound much of a plan for the survival of the fittest...
How does this species still survive in the C21st ?
Surely natural selection will gradually eradicate this anomaly?
Beagle Channel? There is no such channel as far as my maps show.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean the Piedra Buena Channel, right?
Our Lady of Malvinas”
Apr 01st, 2015 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0never has a country with a child leader ever been taken seriously,
its acting like a child nursery, when will they ever grow up,
or is acting like children the norm in CFKs Argentina.
What a brilliant move! What better than to crown a VIRGIN on this very topic to spite the break-away Anglos from reformist England?
Apr 01st, 2015 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brilliantly played.
@ 39 STroll with the_TroLL
Apr 01st, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.londontown.com/Most-Read/Michelin-Starred-Restaurants
How many in Buenos Aires?
Michelin who? Who is that?
Apr 01st, 2015 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, claiming your country's cuisine is great because of FOREIGNERS opening restaurants is like claiming you home's garden is impeccable because you are a beggar living in a public park.
Small error.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For: ''Alejandro (Alexander) Betts, “the Falklander of British origin who decided to become Argentine” ''
Read:
'Alejandro (Alexander) Betts, “the ONLY Falklander of British origin who HAS EVER decided to become Argentine” ''
@46 Buenos Aires does not have ONE Michelin starred restaurant. They only have el palacio de las papas fritas and asados.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me repeat: English cuisine does not exist.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next topic.
@49 You are clearly quite wrong. Even Parisian restauranters are envious of the British advances in the culinary arts. But then I am sure all you eat are asados and badly made pizzas.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any way - what does food have to do with the pathetic invention of la Virgin de las Malvinas? Argentina - ¡país de herejes!
Poor Tobias who does not live in Mendoza writes “With all the great food in Argentina alone”
Apr 01st, 2015 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the “Vendimia”, the fiesta for wine harvest in Mendoza, each town in the province elects a pretty girl, la reina (the queen) for the ceremony.
The local newspaper “Los Andes” features an article or two about each queen and in it the queen tells what she prefers on different subjects, like sports, favorite pet, clothing, education, job, etc., among the subjects are food.
The 18 or so queens all prefer either pasta or asado (barbeque) or pizza or soup or salad or milanesa (breaded meat/chicken). These are what poor Tobi calls “the great food in Argentina”, and he is right - that's all there is.
Far better than whatever crap you eat in your disgusting country, that I am sure of.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Idiot child Tobias envious of good food.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52
Apr 01st, 2015 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will never know until you travel. Hows the food in Villa 21?
It seems to me that STroll with the_TroLL is somehow related with idiot child/payaso/mamarracho/paulcedron. Is it possible that they are one and the same?
Apr 01st, 2015 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 049 STroll with the_TroLL
Apr 01st, 2015 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Let me repeat: English cuisine does not exist. Next topic.”
SSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOO desperate to change the subject. Was that in your “Orders of the day” from you La Campora masters Tobi?
“Get that thread stopped!! They are making look like fools!!”
Word to the wise:- No one has to make KFC and her government look like fools, they are doing such a fine job all by themselves.
Only the brainwashed or a fool would try and justify the actions of her government.
@52 Tobias,
Apr 01st, 2015 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Always had people lining up for seconds for my sunday roast.
Rolled beef or leg-of-lamb, thick onion & garlic gravy, boiled & roasted potatoes, fresh garden peas, glazed carrots.
Too rich to have every day of course.
And thats just one recipe of many.
Have you ever eaten British food or are you just reading from a script?
@57
Apr 01st, 2015 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I find it amusing that you all call me ignorant when you all do the exact same thing vis-à-vis Argentina. The only difference is you like getting away with it but then get mad when others act the same way.
I see racist Toby is at it again.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong.
Apr 01st, 2015 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Through the looking glass, one of the few good bits of English Literature (Shakespeare being a fraud I have now found out), albeit the guy had a fried brain when he wrote it.
#42
Apr 01st, 2015 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should get yourself a proper map or check Google earth. It matters not whatever you call it.
The channel was named after the ship HMS Beagle during its first hydrographic survey of the coasts of the southern part of South America which lasted from 1826 to 1830.
You will note that it was named BEFORE Argentina existed and before YOU stole Patagonia.
As to good food, what would a provincial such as you, with no experience of anything outside your own dung heap, know about this. To quote you“with my superior knowledge and intelligence ”you have never heard of Michelin in respect of French food. Still you bum about your proficiency in language. Look it up in the Larousse gastronomique if your French is up to it.
#57
Can you send me a doggy bag by email please, I will have the lamb.
My wife's art group went to our local catering college - with me in tow- for a lunch last Tuesday. The menu had a choice of 3 starters, 3 main courses and 3 sweets with coffee/tea and petit fours.
I had ginger and parsnip soup, sea bream and a ginger and lemon- grass crème caramel. NB I was not to lazy to type “è” unlike other so called language experts. This was prepared by final year students before graduation and cost the outlandish sum of £8.00 each. No wine but soft drinks were provided.
With the drink/drive laws here you are on the limit with one glass of wine or a pint of beer.
Food is much more interesting than barbie dolls.
Roast Beef and Yorkshire Puddings...
Apr 01st, 2015 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plate sized Yorkshire Pudding not those little things...
...simple fayre, but good....
#61. Clyde
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I spent several weeks training in Bedford, England and fell in love with the incredible variety of food choices, Italian, Hindu, Greek, French and Thai to name a few, but traditional British fare became my favorite.
Argentine steaks and Italian food are good, but that's it...
By the way, Chile recognizes the Beagle name for OUR half of the channel.
@61
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0That channel USED to be named after whatever you said it was named. Just as The English Tower USED to be named. Just as Monte Antartida Argentina USED t be named Fitz Roy. But since Argentina is now effacing from all trace of history any and all English/British contributions from Argentine history and geography, you should use the local terminology. Mind you, it's YOU who insist on this very point about the Falklands (and I oblige, I have never used the other supposed name).
As for Michelin, I could care less what some stuffy French group of bald men say. I like my Asado, gnocchi, and dulce de leche pancakes. Anything else is not worth my time.
Nearly 50 years ago I stood in the Plaza de Mayo listening to the crowd shouting “Lanusse y Ongania, la misma porqueria”. Not surprised to see that nothing has changed.
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still spouting the same old racist rubbish, eh?
How about commenting on the FACT that YOUR President CELEBRATES the start of a war that cost nearly 1000 lives, most of them Argentine?
How about commenting on the FACT that YOUR President SHOWS her support of the Military Junta EVERY time that she CELEBRATES the illegal and violent act that started that war?
How about commenting on the FACT that YOUR President EMBARRASSES Argentina, and by extension people like yourself, EVERY time she opens her mouth?
In fact, how about making an actual intelligent comment on the article?
Come on, surely you can find something relevant to say using your self proclaimed intellect?
Stop prevaricating and trying to divert the thread and actually comment properly on the story?
Of course you won't because even YOU are embarrassed about YOUR President, YOUR government and their childish antics, but like the indoctrinated fool you are you just cannot bring yourself to criticise them.
Well Tobias, in a TRUE democracy it isn't only the right of the people to question and CRITICISE the government, it is the DUTY of the people to do so.
”and has visited all of Argentina's provinces, and even Antarctic territories will be formally enshrined in the most southern city of the world, which according to Argentine law is the capital of the Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica and South Atlantic Islands (including Malvinas) province.”
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0'capital of Antarctica and South Atlantic etc. etc.' Here we have a broken down country, which is regarded even by its neighbours s a bit of a sick joke, which has pretension of a latter day colonial power occupying vast swaths of the southern hemisphere.
Alas for Argentina, with no credible armed forces to assert its will and no real diplomatic support nor legal case to support its fraudulent claims, it has been reduced to a devotion, or faith, in a fraudulent religious icon. You gauchos should know that faith only works if it’s in an ‘official’ church sanctioned deity and the people have a genuine devotion to it, which you lot clearly haven’t - you just hope that Our lady of the Malvinas will deliver the Falklands up to you. Didn’t ya all pay attention in catechism lessons? Tsk tsk.
Haven’t you lot heard of the Antarctic treaty? You should have Argentina has signed it. But hey, Argentina will sign anything if it thinks it will give them a free ride.
What a bunch of delusional tossers.
Tobias love you really are a TIT of the first degree, its like flogging a dead horse listening to your bitterness-you live in a shit hole admit it and move on.
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@67 downunder
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Alas for Argentina it has been reduced to a devotion, or faith, in a fraudulent religious icon.”
Thanks for your support to my position. I am boiling over with rage that these idiots can proclaim, with apparent impunity, their blasphemy and their heresy. And with the support of the civil authorities of their country. It beggars belief!
@69 gord01
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, sadly it seems that (literally) nothing is sacred or off limits with this crowd.
@69
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do not fret, I have heard that the Church of England has catagorically stated that if you lift the skirts of the Lady of FALKLANDS has a balls and a cock. They are foot shooting again.
@71
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not funny!
No sense of humour I see
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having read in various posts comments about “indoctrination” and “brainwashing”, I thought that some of you, especially those that understand basic Spanish, would be interested in the following:
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://storify.com/mis2centavos/educacion-fascista
These are examples of fascist brainwashing during the 1950's.
Enjoy;(
Coins, bank notes, streets, football leagues, museums, cartoons, books and now, dah dah! A ferking plastic dolly! Blessed by his holiness the papal Poobah.
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are going to have to come up with something different for next year. Here's a suggestion, Malvinas scratch and sniff cards. They can close their eyes while weeping during the sacred ceremonies and actually get the feeling that the they are in there fabled isles of Xanadu!
@STroll with the_TroLL
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That Argentina has reverted to heathen practices is of no consequence to the reformist Brits, other than to ridicule.
Brit/English/Scots/Welsh/Irish all have varied and very distinct cuisines, it’s just that you’re not aware of it.
As for the names, you are free to call things/places whatever you like, after all what we call Germany the French call Allemagne the Poles call Niemsa and the Germans call Deutschland.
It’s no big deal.
It’s just using modern Argentine Spanish replacement names, no one will know where you are on about, including many S. Americans.
@71 golfcronie
Err, its Argentine, definitely no balls.
@75 reality check
They have that in the Malvinas museum in BA, smells replete with wind machine and panoramic photos, to simulate actually being there, without being shot at.
Pughol - H.
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your so, so right. I wonder if my fellow Welsh in Patagonia still eat Cockles, Bacon and Larva (boiled sea weed, fried) bread for the breakfast? or cowl on a cold winters night?
@73 Church of England has northing to do with it! No humour is required!
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#60
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You read it here (Shakespeare being a fraud I have now found out).
By dint of painstaking research in the British and Bodleian Libraries the sage of Mendoza has discovered that Shakespeare was a fraud !
This will shake the world of theatre and literature to it's core.
The Royal Shakespeare Company will have to disband change their name and have to hire the current Argentinian administration to perform pantomimes - for which they are eminently suited..
The Globe theatre has lost it's reason to exist unless it does a deal with the above
I presume you will be presenting your findings at a press conference also mentioning that you admire Lewis Carrol.
I can see why as you both seem to have propensity to talk nonsense.
Ah! Shakespeare! To be truly appreciated it must be read in it's original Spanish!!!!!!!
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@downunder&Gordo1
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are free to practice religion as they wish, so long as they are not hurting anyone or telling anyone else that they have to believe it.
You should know that to many Protestants all “religious icons.” are “fraudulent”, Idolatry pure and simple.
And much of the theology, ideology, custom and practice of the Church of Rome is considered un-scriptural even blasphemous.
To a protestant, you seem to be arguing that only Idolatry canonised by the Bishop of Rome is allowed.
Whilst you can argue this is as much political, so has every church over 100 years old been politic over something or other at some point. Some more than others.
Live and let live, but free to take the piss.
When discussing religion, humour as well as a sense of perspective is necessary. In my view.
Protestants
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CofE
if its alive-prove it,
if its dead leave it..
Fetch the kindling Arch Bish, we have the first candidate for a burning.
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody heretics, don't you just hate them. Heresy, there's an interesting concept, I wonder where that originated?
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A boy went to confession and said to the Priest “ Father I have sinned , I masturbated thinking of my older sister ” The Priest said “ Have you not seen the twin boys across the road”
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Origin of heresy
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Middle English, Old French, Latin, Greek
1175-1225; Middle English heresie < Old French eresie < Latin haeresis school of thought, sect < Greek haíresis, literally, act of choosing, derivative of haireîn to choose
Filmus has said he is going to get an arrest warrant for the company bosses exploring for oil in the FALKLANDS and be tried in an Argentinian court, look another pig has just flown by. LOL What a lot of hot air. They said that in 2010 did they not?. And how many company CEOs have been arretsed so far? ZERO
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just call all formerly British named landmarks in Argentina by their new post-extirpation of British contribution names. Then I'm happy.
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now it's not often I would agree with you, but the removal of former association with you is good news. Would you do me a big favour? take a road trip down south and get those Welsh dickhead descendants of mine to do the same there, because frankly, being associated with them is embarrassing.
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean, look at the Scots in Canada, the Irish in America and Australia. Where do the Welsh wind up? Ferkin Argentina! Now that is a seriously embarrassing lack of judgement, even for a Victorian Welsh Nationalist knobhead!
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@89
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said Sir
@42 STroll with the_TroLL (#)
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Beagle Channel? There is no such channel as far as my maps show.
You mean the Piedra Buena Channel, right?”
You aren't remotely well educated even by Argentine standards are you?
Even though they re-drew the border every few years they still managed to get name right... 'Canal Beagle'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_Channel_cartography_since_1881
Mind you in the 70s they took a completely new tack and decided to rename Canal Murray 'Canal Beagle' and call the eastern end of the Beagle 'Canal Moat'.
( Argentinians still aren't allowed down Canal Murray cos thats where the Armada de Chile keeps all their missile boats and subs and stuff )
As a Chilean once said to me... 'never trust an Argentinian with a map'.
Dickhead obviously does not know where most of the worlds nautical charts are obtained from.
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Am I wrong?
@81 Pugol-H
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“To a protestant, you seem to be arguing that only Idolatry canonised by the Bishop of Rome is allowed.”
I am protesting that a group of Catholic lay Argentians are using false doctrine to further their claim to sovereignty of the Falklands Islands. I am not asking people of other Christian denominations to agree, or even to disagree, with me. My purpose is to bring to the attention of everybody of all faiths(or none) the depths of falsehood to which Argentina is prepared to lower itself in its fairy tale and mythical campaign to seize territory for which they have no legal claim.
There is no such “thing” as false idolatry “canonised” by the Bishop of Rome! Indeed, the Church of Rome does not sanction idolatry - images of Christ and others are merely reminders to us of their importance in our faith. We do not pray to these idols.
“This will be the last time Cristina Fernandez heads the April 2 ceremonies recalling the beginning of the 1982 conflict with UK over the disputed Falklands”
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yeah, yeah, yeah...blah, blah.. You know what? Whatever
Maybe we should try and find some common ground then, how about that? Why don't we have a day that both the English AND the argentinians can celebrate / commemorate?
How about 01st May? Sounds good to me!!!
The English can celebrate that it was on this day, for the first time in history that a ship was attacked and sunk by a nuclear submarine.
The argentinians can celebrate the fact that the ARA General Belgrano was the first warship to be sunk by a nuclear submarine.
To my mind, this is a far more fitting occasion to mark than the 02nd April.
How about it?
Nostrils says:
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Then I'm happy.”
Nope, contrarians are never happy. It is what makes you so entertaining.
Love those Argentine veterans with their rows of medals.
Apr 02nd, 2015 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The blue and white one on the left was awarded for thinking about surrendering, the blue white and red one in the middle was for suggesting surrendering, the blue red and yellow one on the far right was for actually surrendering.
However, the blue red white yellow and gold one with encrusted diamonds and platinum clasp, was awarded for smuggling home a British Para beret shoved their ass!
What the fuck did they think was going to happen when they took on the British Army of all armies in a war? Like the Brits never been in a war before. Even today I still get so bloody angry at their sheer fucking stupidity!
All those life's lost, theirs and ours. Fucking idiots!
281 To a protestant, you seem to be arguing that only Idolatry canonised by the Bishop of Rome is allowed.
Apr 03rd, 2015 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nah, nothing that deep, I am saying that the “Our Lady of the Malvinas” crowd are a bunch of deluded dickheads.
@93 gordo1
Apr 03rd, 2015 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“False doctrine” Hmm, now there is a phrase to conjure with.
“I am protesting” Now that is a good start, careful you don’t get burned at the stake.
“The depths of falsehood” Is not in doubt here, the inclusion of religious fervour into the mix was almost inevitable, at some point, don’t you think?
“Legal claim” - Inter caetera, Papal Bull of 1493.
To Protestants ALL idolatry is false, whether canonised by the Bishop of Rome or not.
Veneration (I believe is the preferred description) or worship, fine line it seems to me.
Just my view.
@97 downunder
Agreed, but you have to “Defend to the death” their right to be deluded NobEads.
It is politically correct and better they stay deluded, they are much happier that way.
Vive La Reformation, it’s just some are better off less reformed than others.
@98 Pugol-H
Apr 03rd, 2015 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say ”To Protestants ALL idolatry is false, whether canonised by the Bishop of Rome or not.
Veneration (I believe is the preferred description) or worship, fine line it seems to me. Just my view.“
1. Then ”protestants“ and Catholics have a belief in common - all idolatry is false.
2. Catholics, like ”protestants“, venerate and/or worship Christ and others as part of their faith - they neither venerate nor worship their images/idols.
3. I ought to know - I used to be an Anglican.
4. By the way, the description ”protestant“ to describe non-Catholics is no longer acceptable. With the great steps taken towards ecumenism by all Christians this term is not used - ”brothers in Christ” is more acceptable.
So, in summary:
Apr 03rd, 2015 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has celebrated a war that it started (and lost) by giving speeches saying that it would never start a war of aggression., militarise the South Atlantic (Malvinas class ships anyone?) or be otherwise militaristic, such as celebrating wars of aggression...
classy.
I assume that pretty much all of the translations of the mad-cows speeches are badly translated by Mercopress...? (As they make no sense whatsoever)
@99 gordo1
Apr 03rd, 2015 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. I am not at all convinced of that, just my view.
2. & 3. Then you really ought to know the difference, I do.
4. “No longer acceptable.” says who??? Papal edict is it???
No problem with “brothers in Christ”, when I choose to use it!
@101 Pugol-H
Apr 03rd, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. You must have been brainwashed by all that anti-Catholic tripe from people like Ian Paisley!
2. & 3.Of course, there are differences but as far as idolatry is concerned there are none.
4. Organisations such as “Churches Together” which operate in most major cities and towns in Britain. Never heard of it, have you?
Indeed, this might be a good subject for excommunication.
Apr 04th, 2015 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
@102 gordo1
Apr 04th, 2015 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhh, that old chestnut, didn’t take you long before trying to revive that tired old rhetoric, did it.
I take it they aren’t “Brothers in Christ” then.
I’ve got news for you, not everyone who “disagrees” with your “interpretation of the scriptures” is a Paisleyite or even anti-Catholic.
Your Papist arrogance is exceeded only by your ignorance of matters Protestant, you made the right choice when you converted.
Actually I do know of them, I just wasn’t aware they had been given “divine infallibility of names on earth”. Must have missed that. Formally known as Protestant, eh.
@103 Philippe
Or even exorcism, if we’re going to have a laugh, let’s do it properly.
@Pugol-H
Apr 04th, 2015 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems to me that you have a certain reading problem.
1. I assume Ian Paisley is the “old chestnut” to which you refer - well, he's dead you know! His tired old rhetoric disappeared with him.
2.I have not questioned anyone's interpretation of the scriptures - all I have said is that Catholics do not practice idolatry. And how is it possible for me to practice “papist” arrogance if I am not the Pope and, having been an Anglican for the majority of my very long life, how can I be ignorant of matters of my “brothers in Christ”?
3. I have not suggested that “Churches Together” has been given “divine infallibility of names on earth”. There are still bigots, such as you, who are perfectly free to show their ignorance by using the term “protestant” to apply to non Catholics.
@105 gordo1
Apr 04th, 2015 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If “he’s dead” and “His tired old rhetoric disappeared with him” why did YOU bring him up, replete with anti-Catholic brainwashing allegations???
Because someone does not agree with you're interpretation of what is and what is not idolatry, purely from the point of view of their own perspective.
Really tolerant attitude that is, very Christian, very multifaith.
Papist arrogance not Papal arrogance, we shall get to that.
The problem here is not one of reading, it’s what you’re writing:
“Ignorance by using the term “protestant”. - Speechless, absolutely fucking speechless.
The world is now officially comprised of Catholics and Non-Catholics is it?
And you call me a bigot.
“Take the plank out of your own eye first”.
@105,106
Apr 04th, 2015 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see religion is rearing its ugly head again. Most wars are about religion, just look at the Middle East, all in the name of Islam. Some are fanatical.
@ 106 Pugol-H
Apr 04th, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say “The world is now officially comprised of Catholics and Non-Catholics is it?” Are you telling me that?
I don't agree with that statement as I believe the (Christian) world is composed of Christians! The (religious) world is composed of many faiths which are too many to mention.
But as you seem closer to Richard Dawkins you couldn't possibly agree with anything I say.
What he is describing is more of a “superstition” than a real “religion”.
Apr 04th, 2015 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 108 gordo1
Apr 04th, 2015 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read your own posts:
“the description ”protestant“ to describe non-Catholics is no longer acceptable”
“free to show their ignorance by using the term “protestant” to apply to non Catholics”.
So far, any disagreeing with you is the result of being a Bigoted, brainwashed anti-Catholic Paisleyite, ignorant Non-Catholic brother in Christ.
Here:
http://santiagotimes.cl/government-pledges-pump-us165-million-easter-island/
If you have done all the pilgrimages and are looking for a good holiday, Statues to spare.
Otherwise, burn in hell.
Pugol -H/ gordo1
Apr 04th, 2015 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one can either prove or disprove the existence of God. It's purely a matter of faith....you either believe or don't believe. Simple as that.
If you are a believer, there are dozens of ways your faith can be expressed from a rigid hierarchy interpreting the scriptures for you to a single person finding his/her way to the “truth”
@111 Clyde15
Apr 04th, 2015 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good luck trying to explaining that to @108 Torquemada.
@Clyde15 Absolutely right. I agree with you 100%. Of course, there are those who have no religious beliefs at all - I have no problem with that!
Apr 04th, 2015 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps Richard Dawkins' friends @110 & 112 should accept that, too!
@113 Torquemada.
Apr 04th, 2015 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There you go again, slandering people because they do not agree with your beliefs. So far we are up to:
a Bigoted, brainwashed anti-Catholic Paisleyite, ignorant Non-Catholic brother in Christ, Richard Dawkins' friend.
You are perfectly free to practice Idolatry, perfectly free to practice Idolatry and believe it is not idolatry.
You are not free to tell me that is what I have to believe.
My own view is it’s not the individual road someone travels, it’s the direction they are going in.
You cannot always see what is in some ones heart, but you can often see if they are going towards what is good.
In your case, on you go, I’m not going that way.
Most of the LATAM countries are predominately Catholic says it all really.
Apr 04th, 2015 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@114 Pugel-H
Apr 04th, 2015 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be blind - I have never told you what you have to believe, that is nonsense. You must suffer from some strange idea that Christianity is contagious and might damage you.
All I have tried to emphasise is that for all Christians, including Catholics, idolatry is not acceptable. Your do not believe that and have decided to make a big deal of it!
Have a good night. God bless you and keep you. Happy Easter day!
@ Torquemada
Apr 05th, 2015 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to know about “Christianity” then try reading your Bible. “Seek and yea shall find”, is the only advice that I can give you.
You have tried to insist that your view of what does and what does not constitute Idolatry, is the view that is accepted by all Christians.
It is not.
We clearly have very different views about what is Christendom and what is Pagan.
As I cannot bring myself to say anything good to you at this point, on this occasion and this occasion only, I will say nothing further.
This is why I am glad to be an atheist.
Apr 05th, 2015 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is why l am glad to be a Wiccan.
Apr 05th, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 117
Apr 05th, 2015 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From he Anglican Commandment:
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
From the Roman Catholic Commandments according to Exodus Chapter 20
4 You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth;
5 you shall not bow down before them or worship them. For I, the LORD, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation;
@ Torquemada
Apr 05th, 2015 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, time to go light a candle and don’t forget to kneel before the statue and cross yourself when you do it.
But of course that is sanctioned by the divinely infallible one.
118 ilsen
Apr 05th, 2015 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This is why I am glad to be an atheist.”
But are YOU sure you're an athiest?
To be an athiest is to believe in god but in abstract terms and therefore is to believe in god.................... and that way, madness lies... ( and NO, I am not taking about the 80's Ska group either. )
@121 “Yes, time to go light a candle and don’t forget to kneel before the statue and cross yourself when you do it.”
Apr 05th, 2015 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why should I commit idolatry when it is forbidden by Christianity in most of its forms, especially the Catholic Church and the Church of England?
And just who is the divinely infallible one to whom you refer?
@ Torquemada
Apr 05th, 2015 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is what we were wondering, no mention of him in the Bible (KJV), anywhere.
@ Torquemada
Apr 05th, 2015 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but frankly you cannot speak for Anglicans, or any other Protestants.
If you’re ever ready to listen, then we will tell you what we think.
@ 125 Pogul-X
Apr 06th, 2015 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I make no claim to speak for Anglicans nor indeed for any other Christian denomination - I have no authority to do so. My @120 examples were copied from CofE and RC websites.
As far as I can see you’re not even capable of speaking to us, without causing offence.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You were right to convert.
Go back to your Enclave old man.
May God have mercy on you.
@125 Pogul-X and @127 Pugol-H
Apr 06th, 2015 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What delicate little flowers you are if you are offended just because I insist that Catholics, like all other Christians, do not condone or approve of idolatry. However, like most ignorant people who know nothing about the Church of Rome (the largest Christian denomination in the world) except wild exaggerations existent since the time of the Reformation then you are welcome to wallow in your ignorance.
And if you consider “delicate little flowers” to be offensive you are right - it's meant to be!
Tomás de Torquemada
Grand Inquisitor
Holy Office for the Propagation of the Faith
@128 Torquemada
Apr 06th, 2015 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually we’re one and the same “delicate little flower”. I thought you realised that. Hit the enter button to soon that’s all.
This is not about who condones idolatry, it is about what you define as idolatry.
The views of “the largest Christian denomination in the world” are NOT the views of all Christians, in this as in other matters.
There must be a lot of things that stick in your throat from the time of the reformation, mostly that it happened at all.
Much of what you say is offensive to your “Brothers in Christ”, it is what marks you out as a Non-Christian, sorry Catholic.
But you can’t see that, as you never made it out of the middle Ages.
Go back to your Enclave old man, it’s still 1516 in there, you can still buy your plot of land in Heaven.
What a silly man you are! I think that you should learn a bit more humility and accept that you may be wrong in this particular instance as you don't appear to know very much even about your own doubtful version of Christianity. Humility is very Christian - I don't think you know what that is!
Apr 06th, 2015 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@130 Torquemada
Apr 06th, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Humility”, you’re having a laugh, read your own postings above.
“Take the plank out of your own eye, before worrying about the splinter in someone else’s”.
That is a quote from a book called “the Bible”, if you have ever heard of it.
@131 Pugol-H I suspect from your infantile posts that you are a lot younger than me. I have been reading the Holy Bible since before you were born.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't show!
Apr 07th, 2015 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can anyone “ PROVE ” that God or Jesus or Mohamed existed or any so called prophet?
Apr 07th, 2015 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@134 golfcronie,
Apr 07th, 2015 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course nobody can prove, beyond reasonable doubt that theae personalities actually existed.
lt is really a matter of faith.
However if we accept the New Testament & that Jesus etc DID in fact exist, then a very interesting book is “The Marian Conspiracy” by Graham Phillips.
ISBN#0 330 37202 5
The author maintains that Mother Mary & one of her sons & others, fled the Roman Empire & settled in Britain.
As Britain didn't become part of the Roman Empire until 53ad, she probably thought that she was safe there. This was a few years after the Crucifixion in about 35-40ad.
The family eventually settled on the island of Anglesey in Wales.
The author also states that he found Mother Mary's grave.
lts very interesting but is yet to be proved.
But how do you prove it?
135
Apr 07th, 2015 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Damn.....so why did I pay that Turkish taxi driver to take me on a round trip 180 km drive from the port at Izmir to Mary's house near Selcuk...
Queuing with all the little people to walk through her final resting place...
Still...he did think he was conning me, but I paid him in Yankee dollars quoting the wrong rate...not too smart the Turks...
http://turkishtravelblog.com/house-of-the-virgin-mary/
#136
Apr 07th, 2015 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I drove myself from Turunc to Ephesus (570 Km. round trip) and saw the signs for the Virgin Mary's house. I remember thinking, “Aye, that'll be right !” and gave it a miss.
@136 Voice &
Apr 07th, 2015 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@137 Clyde15,
The grave in Turkey gets a mention in the book.
l leave it to you both.
119 lsolde
Apr 08th, 2015 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am delighted for you, (genuinely).
Enjoy your faith, although not a Wiccan myself, I feel it has more relevance than any the Abrahamic religions that has so far cursed our world.
122 toooldtodieyoung (#)
118 ilsen
“This is why I am glad to be an atheist.”
[your reply below]
”But are YOU sure you're an athiest?
To be an athiest is to believe in god but in abstract terms and therefore is to believe in god.................... and that way, madness lies... ( and NO, I am not taking about the 80's Ska group either. )“
No, you are confusing athiest with agnostic. Very different.
So, I can't really answer your question as the underlying principles of what you ask are false. So it isn't actually a 'question'. You might as well ask me 'Do YOU believe all frogs are bicycles?”
However, I am pleased to note your interest in '80s Ska and Two-Tone. I personally believe we are all the Specials, if only we could get with The Beat, we could lose our Bad Manners, and learn to rocksteady, like The Selector... Or if you are feeling Stiff , perhaps Go Feet might help you get on a Night Boat to Cairo?
I remain yours, utterly godless, but 2-Tone forever,
~ilsen
xx
PS: Don't be an 'Embarrassment',
try to stay 'One Step Beyond'...
Like me!
lol!
:-)
@139 ilsen,
Apr 08th, 2015 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0l respect all non-violent religions & as of course as long as they don't try to force anyone to believe anything.
However l have seen many, many things that l could not & cannot explain, to think that there is no God or Supreme Being as l call him/her.
We also, all of us, have powers within us which we don't use.
Although l believe in peace, l donot deny that we are entitled to use selective war to defend ourselves.
We really are very primitive beings in our universe.
A very thoughtful post from Isolde.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you.
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