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Falklands' RAF MPA complex allegedly technically exposed by UK defense blunder
A new report says a UK Ministry of Defense (MoD) blunder has put the Falkland Islands at risk of attack from Argentina, which claims sovereignty over the archipelago and in 1982 invaded the Islands militarily until they were defeated and ousted 74 days later. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell argentina would still actually need some planes some bombs loads of fuel and hours of flight time to even start to bcome a threat.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0True Martin... But the axe still needs to fall ... The was a good cockup...
Apr 06th, 2015 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0This “error” was probably nothing of the sort and would definitely put the frighteners up TMBOA, IF she could understand the terminology.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0This seems a little curious to me. Let's look at MoD worker A Bloggs. He's engaged in updating a website. He comes to the Mount Pleasant Aerodrome Manual that is supposed to be password-protected. Then wouldn't the ability to transfer/copy the file also be password-protected? I'm sure we've all come across such files. You can't download or copy or view. Next, was the information accurate? Remember WW2? Operation Bodyguard? The deceptions to convince the Germans that invasion would take place at the Pas de Calais? GPS coordinates for every facility? So RAF pilots, on the ground, can only find their way around using GPS? RAF Mount Pleasant is also used by civilian commercial aircraft. And how much information would be available to the pilots of such aircraft? Somehow the German Luftwaffe managed to bomb RAF UK airfields without knowing the 'exact make-up of runways and thickness of concrete'. Think it through. The airfield can be see on Google Maps! And as of the moment of writing, I can see an RAF Voyager tanker/transport, 2 C-130s and 2 single rotor helicopters. I can also see around 16 aircraft hangars and at least 4 dispersal points. Don't get carried away. Let's imagine an argie combat-sized aircraft crosses into the Falklands EEZ. It's a JF-17. It's 10 minutes away assuming it's operating at maximum speed. A Typhoon takes less than 30 seconds from Brakes off to supersonic acceleration.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And let's quit trying to sack everyone. I see this on so many news sites. With little knowledge of the actual facts, the mob screams “Sack 'em”. In the UK, the mob read newspaper articles. Without an iota of sense or knowledge, the mob screamed “Sack 'em”. The government heard and acted. And now the mob screams “Why aren't there enough personnel to do the job properly”?
@1,2 & 3
Apr 06th, 2015 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So based on your writings Argentina is not a threat to the FI. This led me to believe that you are making the UK taxpayers waste their money and you don't care much. Quite reasonable since F Islander taxes don't go to the maintenance of the garrison so why on the hell they would be worried about?.
@4
Apr 06th, 2015 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At last I can agree with you, your posts in the past have been a little over the top in my opinion. However you are right because someone makes a cockup everyman and his dog screams dismiss them without knowing the circumstances behind them.
now i understand why these english, english wannabes and 3rd class plebs, in general, are so paranoid.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so, according to...the sunday express (LOL), which must be like the bible for these nabos,, there is a risk of invasion.
now, these the sunday express (LOL) is not known for doing investigative journalism, no?
who the fuck these fuckers think they are?
woodward and bernstein?
LOL
4 - you have a point as it does not take much brain to realise that the key targets on any runway are the intersections and apron areas! A good bit of bullshit hype by a newspaper - but there is a key issue at stake - these sort of leaks are all to common - and will remain so for so long as Govt Officials MOD and others are allowed to take their computers home!
Apr 06th, 2015 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All sensitive Govt info should be ONLY on Govt Office Dept Computers and nowhere else - least of all on laptops to be taken home - and left on trains-taxis etc etc!
Pgerman - actually you are Wrong - we FI taxpayers do pay towards the cost of the MPA upkeep and improvements - as well as our own Defence force.
personally i give a shite for those islets.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but it seems the britons want to give them back to us, the authentic owners.
“Cameron set to return Falklands to Argentina by 2017”
“Prime Minister David Cameron is set to announce to the British public that the Falkland Islands, known colloquially to Argentinians as Las Malvinas, will be returned by 2017 should the Conservatives win the next general election.”
@8
Apr 06th, 2015 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So 1.500/2.000 taxpayers of the islands pay the taxes that entirelly cover the cost of the manitenance of the garrison, the cost of building and operating the four Typhoons, the cost of building and operating the destroyer and the icebreaker that patrol the area plus the nuclear submarine that round the area? All that cost a fortune !!!!
#9
Apr 06th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do realise that piece of news was released on the first of April !
I see now you have changed your opinions on the islands from “I don't give a shite” to “I give a shite ”.
I notice you also use the word “power” relating to Argentina....laughable!
#10
Are you an UK taxpayer ? If so you have a right to an opinion, if not, it's none of your business either way. What nuclear submarine would that be ?
You have the secret patrol details of R.N.. submarines ?
10- The direct contribution the Islands makes to MPA - we do it in services and buildings etc - not cash to UK counts for about £75 per annum per head of the Islands population - 3000 of us not 2000 as your stupid old Ambassador keeps on spluttering in London.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On top of that comes the cost of our own defence forces 100% paid for by our taxes etc - look the cost up in the public figures if you like.
UK paid the construction of the typhoons you idiot- their only cost here is their fuel and spares and aircrew etc. They are not extra aircraft - if push came to shove in NATO they would whizz back to Europe I am sure. Same for Navy vessels - of which one is here for a few weeks 2 or 3 times a year - that has been the case for some years now!
Submarines patrol all around the world,s oceans - always have! Sometimes one is around this area- sometimes not - who knows! - That is their best weapon!
@11 & 12
Apr 06th, 2015 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you so aggressive? You act like La Campora fascist boys.
@11 As you mention I don't care the money the UK wastes in the S Atlantic. Just to the contrary I would prefer so see how they duplicate, or even triplicate, the budget of the FI garrison.
@12 As I mentioned several times. Budgets are not estimated based on the concept that “They are not extra aircraft” or “it they were not in the FI they would be somewhere else”. Once material, and resources, are deployed in the FI garrison they are part of the cost of the defense of the FI.
In addition, the presence of nuclear submarines was informed to the media by UK diplomats, FI representatives and even by Islanders as a way of threatening argentine people. So I am more than surprised to read the opposite from you now.
It's quite clear the 3.000 taxpayers cannot afford the maintenance of the garrison, the material and the maintenance, and operation, of the resources deployed in the defense of the FI. But, as mentioned, it's a british tax payers issue.
The British MOD is the Ministry of Defence, not the US spelling Defense
Apr 06th, 2015 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 Paul
Apr 06th, 2015 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“....but it seems the britons want to give them back to us, the authentic owners.”
Authentic owners ?? there isn't even one historical FACT which supports your claim. When are you guys going to realize that you are barking up the wrong tree ? I can understand why previous Argentine governments, and CFK, keep harping on this subject - to distract public opinion from the internal mess they've caused in Argentina - but what's your excuse ??
grandpa
Apr 06th, 2015 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I notice you also use the word “power” relating to Argentina....laughable!”
lol, and where did i use the word “power”?
the pills....
jack
read more history and you will know our “excuse”.
13 Pgman - I,m not aggressive - its you who are a bit thick.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You might as well try and tell us we should add the costs of the basic training to the entire British Army to the annual cost - after all during their service career most soldiers in the army will spend a 4 month posting here!
THe RAF does not have 4 additional Typhoons because of the Falklands! It has what the UK Govt agreed to buy for BritishAir defence - full stop - punto final.
Then they get allocated to areas - and the planes themselves rotate occasionally.
the 4 that first arrived some years ago are not necessarily the same airframes that are here today.
The operating costs of the 4 here are correctly part of the Falklands garrison defence costs - not their initial purchase price dumbo.
Nuclear Powered-CONVENTIONALLY armed hunterkiller submarines OCCASIONALLY patrol down this way. No more than that. UK diplomats will not know where they are nor will a UK newspaper - unless the submarine is overt instead of covert - and at times they are told to be so.
Of course we cannot pay the costs of our defence - but on a per head of population basis we make a good contribution.
@16
Apr 06th, 2015 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See, the UK is capable of “ SMOKE AND MIRRORS ” just like Argentina, just suck it up.
@16 Paul
Apr 06th, 2015 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've read quite a bit about the history of the islands, especially after the 1982 conflict, and have seen enough to know there is no such thing as a legitimate Argentine claim....If your excuse is hurt national pride, so be it, but it won't change the outcome of what has to be.
Paul has missed his chance, he could have pinched one of those Tonka toy Tucano's and flown over and shown us all what a hero his and reclaimed his islands back, with all this wealth of exposed military secrets. You do live in Argentina don't you Paul?
Apr 06th, 2015 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, the cowardly attack is easy part isn't it. It's what comes afterwards that still frightens them down there.
@9 Is this the article you are referring to?
Apr 06th, 2015 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.bfnn.co.uk/cameron-set-to-return-falklands-to-argentina-by-2017/
It's one of those pointless satirical news websites, did you really believe it? LOL How stupid are you? Please stop trying to converse with normal, intelligent people you small minded retard.
Also, when will you be visiting our beautiful islands you retard?
The MOD is I think just playing games with Argentina,
Apr 06th, 2015 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so they say.
brainless f.y. / uk 101 choto en el orto.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wow, you are a genius, arent you?
lol
que pelotudo que sos, jaja
@22 Briton,
Apr 06th, 2015 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l agree with you.
Just leading the idiots on.
Or maybe even setting the scene so that they attack again, thereby giving the UK the perfect excuse to obliterate their airfields & power stations etc.
@ pgerman,
Whats it to you how much it costs to defend the Falklands from Argentina?
Your infantile attempts to drive a wedge between the Falklands & the British taxpayer are as transparent as a sheet of glass.
Somewhat like Hepatia's attempts to do the same between the UK & the USA.
Amateurs, all.
@23 paulcedron,
Haven't you got anything constructive to do?
Stop being so rude when the adults are talking, nabolito.
@13 pgerman
Apr 06th, 2015 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you really an engineer? We've already seen before that you don't understand how contracts work, and now apparently you don't quite get the difference between a budget and a cost heading.
The cost of defending the Falklands is quite a regrettable expense, but what we've seen repeatedly is that you can't be too careful with your possessions in that neighbourhood, and the coss of appeasement or negligence are even higher.
Have you a reference for anybody apart from message board posters threatening the Argentine public with a nuclear submarine?
The current UK budget is £743 BILLION or US$1.1 TRILLION!
Apr 06th, 2015 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The current Argentine budget is ARS1.2 trillion or US$100 BILLION.
With a UK budget that is ELEVEN times larger than Argentina's, the Falkland Islands are not expensive.
@23 Well I have never been fooled by some shit satirical website, so I'm definitely smarter than you. LOL. I can't believe you thought that was a real article, you should probably go see a doctor as you seem to be getting stupider by the day LOL.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39: Just how many Michelin stars have gone to RG restaurants? I only ask this because I have a gold medal from Hotelympia and I cannot remember an RG ever winning there, neither do I recall a swathe of RG restaurants cooking anything other than shite.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British cuisine is doing extremely well. But then, you've probably never been there and even if you had you probably don't eat anywhere other than McDonalds.
Like most stuff on here from RGs, you talk about things you know fuck all about.
@28 Wrong page dude.
Apr 06th, 2015 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25
Apr 06th, 2015 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I lost my interest in discussing with you at all.
You are not interested in any “positive” dialogue, you prefer and like to “twist” reality to “prove” that you are right. You are allways right. On top of everything you, it is quite clear, take part, with evident arrogance, in discussions when your fellow countrymen are in trouble.
You know quite well that saying that “if they are not in the Fi they would be anywhere” is not an argument at all. Keep on wasting you money. It's not mine. But it is quite clear that the FI is quite a expensive relic for the UK and, with the current oil price, I don´t think you will be able to pay back the money the UK invested in your defense. For the time being it seems to be a bad investment.
I wrote here before. Galtieri was stupid when he decided to occupy the islands. And Margaret has a short vision. She had never expected that the conflic would keep alive the following 33 years...
As regards of the RN submarine in the region...check for yourself. You will find them.
@30
Apr 07th, 2015 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure I'll be mightily disappointed, if you ever come up with an argument that stands up to examination.
Just as a matter of idle curiosity, we are assuming that this manual is kosher? The coordinates (which let's face it, you could get from google maps anyway) haven't been “tweaked” to be nearly but not quite right? The runway thickness plausible but actually quite a lot thinner than the actual thickness of the runway? The map giving the exact location of the buildings containing critical systems labelled as ablutions blocks and vice veca?
Apr 07th, 2015 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's not as if the British don't have previous form for doing something similar (although on a larger scale) when London was under attack by V1 and V2 rockets, all of the intelligence that the (turned) German agents were feeding back indicated that they were overshooting (resulting in them being given less fuel, meaning that they were falling short).
“I wrote here before. Galtieri was stupid when he decided to occupy the islands. And Margaret has a short vision. She had never expected that the conflic would keep alive the following 33 years...”
Apr 07th, 2015 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The conflict hasn't been kept alive. Argentine brainwashing is for internal consumption. It doesn't affect the UK. The UK hasn't lost anything. Argentina outspends the UK due to all the propaganda, educational interference, memorials, UN trips and even signage.
The Mount Pleasant garrison is more a reflection of an unstable neighbour that is prone to bouts of dictatorship that a real Argentine threat. A threat that is hardly plausible when the Argentine government is too scared to create an effective force for fear they will be used against themselves.
Thatcher obviously had much longer vision that Argentina ever did because after she had comprehensively wiped the floor with your dictatorship she let it collapse on its own. She then over many years put in place the mechanisms that now cause Argentina so many problems and frustrations regarding citizenship, resource exploitation and governance. All the things that Argentineans use as examples of change caused by the invasion.
She used Argentinean stupidity to put in place systems that are irrevocable. All the things the Islanders needed they got. So much so that now Argentina doesn't face a colony of poor sheep farmers who could rely on links to Argentina, but a nation for which independence is now a real future option.
That is vision. Not the Malvinas myth. Up until 1982 Argentina had a chance to gain soveriengty.
Now it has no chance. There is not a single plausible possibility thanks to Galtieri and Thatcher.
@33
Apr 07th, 2015 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Thatcher obviously had much longer vision that Argentina ever did because after she had comprehensively wiped the floor with your dictatorship she let it collapse on its own”...quite clear she destroyed the argentine dictatorship but strengthened chilean one. “God nazis and bad nazis”....discuss this with Hansniessund. He believe in “God nazis and bad nazis”.
“The UK hasn't lost anything”? Yes it lost plenty of things. Money, pieces of equipment and, saddly, the life of some of its best young people. It invested millions of GBP in a war to be back in the very same situation as before the war (Not a single square meter added). It is investing millions of GBP in the garrison, ships, planes and submarines to be in the very same situation as before the war. Bad business.
“but a nation for which independence is now a real future option”. The FI people still don´t choose their own government. They are still part of a colony.
From my point of view this is great but the bad thing is that the islanders keep on playing the role of the victim. Argentina can perfectly well live without any contact with the islands but you don´t want to live without us.
@34 The military base at Mount Pleasant provides excellent tri-services training for the military, hardly a waste of money or a loss.
Apr 07th, 2015 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@34 pgerman
Apr 07th, 2015 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“From my point of view this is great but the bad thing is that the islanders keep on playing the role of the victim. Argentina can perfectly well live without any contact with the islands but you don´t want to live without us.”
Hmmm, not hearing the “Islanders playing the victim” at all - just the Argentines crying “ ...I feel an emptiness in my heart for the Malvinas, etc.. ” right!!?? :-D
and the Islanders already do just fine without Argentina- ignoring the countless 'invitations' to join them - including the unending whine of “Malvinas son Argentinas!”
pgerman - the monotonous drone of a true Malvinista... !
I have no idea why Pgerman bought up Chile's dictatorship. Really has nothing to do with it. But I guess when you are bereft of a proper education then anything goes.
Apr 07th, 2015 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for saying Britain has lost something because it resisted Argetine aggression is akin to blaming the rape victim. Yes, the UK lost plenty because of Argentina's dictatorship but then according to Pgerman, supporting a dictatorship (such as in Chile) is morally wrong and if the UK had accepted the extension of the Argentine dictatorship to the Falklands it would have also been morally wrong. Trying to play both sides doesn't work.
I mean the guy is making my arguments for me now!
As for how the UK spends its tax pounds that is their sovereign right and as a democracy, disagreement with that spending is heard.
I also didn't say the Falkland Islands are independent just that it is a “real future option”. I totally agree with Pgerman that the UK exercises sovereignty over the islands. Never claimed otherwise. It it Argentineans that try to deny this point.... futilely.
As for the Falkland Islanders playing victim! SO WHAT! Honestly what does it have to do with Argentina's government or people?
Nothing.
They are free to do what they wish culturally and socially.
And I have yet to see the FIG show any need for Argentina to do anything beyond what is normal for neighbouring countries to do.
Nothing.
If you are going to use the LAN flight (which is the only thin shred of evidence you would have) then pretty much everyone wishes your government would just deny overflight rights already. Talk about the boy who cried wolf. Logistically flying around Argentinean airspace isn't that big a deal.
But as it is Argentina's last actual link to the Islands then it won't because then the cutoff will be 100% complete.
Hard to keep claiming the Falkland Islands need Argentina when there is 0% interaction with them.
Nothing new, same English idiots that say that Argentina is a threat.
Apr 07th, 2015 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Mount Pleasant Aerodrome Manual...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRfD9BdHC5o
Oh Marcos, absolutely loved it!
Apr 07th, 2015 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tears running down my face,
Thank you.
And all those hunky young men, too.
A girl's dream come true!
@34 pgerman
Apr 07th, 2015 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“God nazis and bad nazis”....discuss this with Hansniessund. He believe in “God nazis and bad nazis”.
I think you'll find I've never said any such thing, but don't let that stop you wringing your hands about it.
@34 :
Apr 07th, 2015 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 01 ) Argentina is bankrupt today because of the military spending in the late 1970's .
2 ) Britain , on the other hand , can easily afford to defend the Falklands , Argentina cannot even afford to repair the Irizar or feed the guys in Marambio .....
3 ) The Islanders do chose their government and they are not a colony , shit there have been a million posts on the subject , try reading them for a change .
4 ) Argentina is losing territory all the time , to the Bolivians , the Mapuches and the Chinese , to say nothing about to the ravages of a huge fire that Cristina doesn't even mention , let alone do anything about .
usurped brain
Apr 07th, 2015 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”1 ) Argentina is bankrupt today because of the military spending in the late 1970's “
who told you that?
mercopress?
”2 ) Britain , on the other hand , can easily afford to defend the Falklands , .....“
it seems not, no?
”Poverty hits twice as many British households as 30 years ago“
”Hunger in Britain is becoming 'public health emergency'
“Breadline Britain: 20 MILLION now living in poverty as landmark study reveals how tax system creates inequality”
”3 ) The Islanders do chose their government and they are not a colony“
not a colony?
LOL, yeah...right.
”4 ) Argentina is losing territory all the time , to the Bolivians , the Mapuches and the Chinese , .. .”
eh?
so the bolivians, the mapuches (??) and the chinese are stealing argentine territory?
lol. stop smoking that shite.
Ah , Pablito's woken up , good .
Apr 07th, 2015 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the Malvinense , which after all is your bible :
Mapuche “ usurpations ” ( ie taking back what is rightfully theirs )...
http://www.elmalvinense.com/snacional/2015/1482.htm
Bolivia helping itself to territory :
http://www.elmalvinense.com/snacional/2015/1482.htm
From Taringa : China builds a space station in Neuquen :
http://www.elmalvinense.com/snacional/2015/1482.htm
As for your wild accusations about poverty , the definition of poverty in the UK is somewhat different to how poverty is defined the 3rd World :
http://www.elmalvinense.com/snacional/2015/1482.htm
It's defined as someone who is on 60% of the annual average income .
The average income is currently U$S 50,000 .
Lastly , the Falkland Islands are a self governing Overseas Territory , not a colony.
If they were ceded to Argentina they would become either a Chinese or a Russian naval base within weeks .
Neither the UK or the US would countenance that , so no Islas Malvinas for the forseeable future I'm afraid .
You could always start a war with Bolivia ?
@41
Apr 07th, 2015 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 ) Argentina is bankrupt today because of the military spending in the late 1970's .
FALSE. Japan and Germany were destroyed to dust during II WW and 30 years later they were developed countries again. Fascist/peronists used this reasoning to cover their own lack of capability to make Argentina a developed country. Are you from La Campora?
2 ) Britain , on the other hand , can easily afford to defend the Falklands , Argentina cannot even afford to repair the Irizar or feed the guys in Marambio .
EXCELENT. I told all of you several times. If you are so rich why don't you stop bothering Argentina (and other LaTam countries) and start connecting the Islands and the UK directly? You have plenty of funds and money so, please, don't be so tight and stop using our air space and territorial waters. At least use them and pay a right of passage.
3 ) The Islanders do chose their government and they are not a colony , shit there have been a million posts on the subject , try reading them for a change .
FALSE. Islanders don't chose their governor.
4 ) Argentina is losing territory all the time , to the Bolivians , the Mapuches and the Chinese , to say nothing about to the ravages of a huge fire that Cristina doesn't even mention , let alone do anything about .
It might be true. You can add some chilean people such as Chicureo that dreams, with british assitance, to get some additional land taken from Argentina since they are not capable to do so on their own.
Fascist/Peronists are so corrupt that they only care about stealing money and become rich. At this point, let me clarify that, I don't blame you for not want to be ruled by peronist. If I were you I would do exactly the very same. I also would prefer to have a governor designed by the Queen that being ruled by La Reina Batata.
@44 : The Governor is merely a figurehead .
Apr 07th, 2015 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You fail to mention that Germany and Japan are populated by hard workers , governed by statesmen and that Germany received massive amounts of Marshall Aid .Japan didn't , but then again she did not need armed forces after 1945 because the US Navy guaranteed her sea trade and territorial integrity , so that extra % of GDP made the whole difference .
Agree about the peronachos , they and this stupid malvinas thing are the the two cancers eating the guts of Argentina .
The Governor is merely a figurehead .
He does not govern , he is merely the Queen's representative .
Australia has a Governor General too, and Australia is not a colony .
So does New Zealand and various other places .
The Falkland Islanders have their own assembly .
There are 3 flights a week between the UK and the Falklands .
Not many people use them because they are fucking expensive , so they chose to do the long journey via Chile which is half the price .
I have never been but would love to go .
paulie
Apr 07th, 2015 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why does Argentina need/accept Aid from the UK and from Europe?
usurping pirate
Apr 07th, 2015 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you dont understand spanish very well, do you?
so, my honest, honest advice to you is to stop reading argentine newspapers, at least until you understand the meaning of complex words like “no”, “si”, “blanco”, “negro”, etc.
anyway, that thing el malvinense can hardly be considered a publication
as for the mapuches, argentina is not losing territory, since those mapuches are argentinian.
they are squatters of the lands of emanuel ginobili, but that is another problem.
you know...squatters...rings any bell?
as for that joke that english poverty is not poverty and blablabla, the fact is that because of parasites like those who live in the islets, they have the worst healthcare system of europe, the highest child death rate of europe, only comparable with a 3rd world country, and one of the biggest debts on earth.
“Britain, the sick man of Europe:
Heart and cancer survival rates among worst in developed world”
“UK child death rate among worst in western Europe, say experts”
“Mainstream media headlines today are focused on Britain's record national debt, which just surpassed £1 trillion, a figure that can only exponentially increase unless the entire mechanism of Government finance is overhauled. The truth however is much worse, factoring in all liabilities including state and public sector pensions, the real national debt is closer to £4.8 trillion, some £78,000 for every person in the UK.”
47 Potty-pablo
Apr 07th, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about a link to YOUR exact source??
Let's see the whole story - is it quoted accurately, recently, from an unbiased account???
48 boludo
Apr 07th, 2015 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i have already explained it to you, more or less 1 million times, but it seems you cannot understand, eh?
copy the quote, boludo, google it, and voilá you will have the source, boludo.
got it now, boludo?
#47 #47 #47
Apr 07th, 2015 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I checked on one of your statistics for child deaths in Europe
You say the UK has the highest child death rate in Europe ”http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=100&v=29&l=en was consulted for the official figures.'
The UK's figure was 4.56 per 1000
50 Clyde
Apr 07th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thx.
Once again, Pablo lies to cover the truth.
Pablo - are you just doing this yto fool yourself?
If you have to lie - Thats a good indicator that your arguments wont stand up - learn that at Campora Juvenil???
grandpa
Apr 07th, 2015 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0first congratulations.
you have written the right number for once in your life.
good for you.
now, returning to the topic, and answering to boludo toy too:
”UK child death rate among worst in western Europe, say experts
Study's authors surprised by poor performance after they find only Malta has more deaths of children under five
A newborn baby
UK child death rates are high at almost every stage up to five years old, the study found. Photograph: Alamy
Sarah Boseley, health editor
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Children in the UK are more likely to die before they reach their fifth birthday than in any other western European country except Malta.
Almost five in every 1,000 children born in the UK die before the age of five, a rate the authors of the global study said was surprising for a country with free, universal healthcare. Researchers at the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) in Seattle said that 3,000 children in the UK died before their first birthday in 2012.
Experts said poverty and deprivation in the UK, together with cuts in welfare, were directly linked to the deaths of the youngest children. Babies who die under age of one tend to be from deprived households, have a low birthweight and have parents who smoked. Between ages of one and five, deaths are mostly linked to injuries, accidents and serious diseases such as cancer.
The death rate in the US, which has even greater health inequalities, is worse, at 6.6 child deaths per 1,000 births, but the UK rate of 4.9 is double that of the best in Europe, Iceland, which has 2.4 deaths per 1,000. Sweden, Finland and Norway are also towards the top of the league.
“We were surprised by these findings because the UK has made so many significant advances in public health over the years,” said Dr Christopher Murray, IHME direct
42 paulcedron
Apr 07th, 2015 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bla bla bla,
if you thought we were that poor and weak, then perhaps you should pay us a little visit,
we could do with some fun...
52 potty-pablo
Apr 07th, 2015 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Link please!
:-D
“EXPERTS SAID POVERTY AND DEPRIVATION IN THE UK, TOGETHER WITH CUTS IN WELFARE, WERE DIRECTLY LINKED TO THE DEATHS OF THE YOUNGEST CHILDREN”
Apr 07th, 2015 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you parasites should be ashamed of stealing the money of the honest, impoverished british taxpayer.
we are talking about infant mortality here, got it?
now i understand why most of the honest british population wants to return the islands to argentina or at least that they be independent.
it seems it is not the best option for the parasites, uh??
#52
Apr 07th, 2015 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you did not comment on was the death rate for infants in Argentina which was 10.52. Quite a larger number than the UK's.
So, what is wrong with the paradise of Argentina having a rate over twice that of the UK and much more than the stinky islets who don't even have a CT scanner.
Ilsen asked
why does Argentina need/accept Aid from the UK and from Europe?
You ignored this one. Are you embarrassed?
@55 Lazy Potty-mouth
Apr 07th, 2015 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... and yet, you can provide NO link.
What is it that you don't want us to read? :-D
grandpa
Apr 08th, 2015 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0argentina is a 3rd world country, most of all when it is ruled by the kirchneristas.
the thing is that all of us, except the ultra k, are conscious of that.
the problem is when you lot think that england is a rich country when in fact is the only 3rd world country of europe, along with malta.
anyway, you lot insist in stealing the money of the honest british taxpayer.
58 potty-mouth
Apr 08th, 2015 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still no link.... ??
Look at the infant mortality rate for Argentina- how embarrassing!
“Let them eat cake!” says CFK
#58
Apr 08th, 2015 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not too good at geography are you !
“ you lot insist in stealing the money of the honest british taxpayer.”
I think it is well documented on this site that I was born in Scotland and apart from holidays and training courses, I have lived, worked here for over 40 years and retired here. I have paid ALL my taxes and have no problem with a minute amount being allocated to the defence of the Falklands.
If you wish to help the British taxpayer, then persuade your government to give up it's false claim to the Falklands and your problem is solved.
nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm
I don't see the UK mentioned in the OFFICIAL definition of 3d world.
You are into gross exaggeration and hyperbole again. You are saying that the UK is worse than Greece, Italy, Poland,Hungary and Spain, not to mention Latvia, Estonia Lithuania and Slovakia.
paulcedron,
Apr 08th, 2015 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another one shedding crocodile tears for the “poor honest British taxpayer”.
Hoping against hope that someone in the UK will say-
“Yes thats right, millions of pounds of our scarce money is going to prop up the lifestyle of the ”“wealthy”“Falklanders, while our country is going to rack & ruin”.
“Damn the lslanders, lets give the Falklands to Argentina & spend that money here”.
What a shower of caring, bleeding hearts you Argentines are.
And as transparent as a glass sheet. Boo Hoo.
lf it worries you that much, what about a few donations from Argentina to H.M.Treasury?
What about paying for all the British investments in Argentina in the 19th century?
Why are you so stupid pauli-niño? Didn't you finish school? Did you even start?
ldiot child.
don't be so nabolita isolda.
Apr 08th, 2015 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0and stop insulting.
is that all you have learnt in that “prestigious” pork stanley community school?
argentina, as i wisely said is a 3rd world country.
we dont have money to send to england to help the millions of starving people there because we have millions of starving people here.
and that is thanks to our corrupt politicians, menem and kirchner most of all, and to a history where argentina was looted by the english during that shite of informal british empire, the results of the camapaña del desierto where the english sacked half patagonia, and do not forget that england never paid its debts with argentina for the food shipments during ww2.
that is +/- 350.000 million dollars.
pay your part isolda and stop whining.
#62
Apr 08th, 2015 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Paul version of Britain's relations with Argentina....somewhat biased and fanciful. Again prone to gross exaggeration.
Can you show official figures for this amount ?
The way you have shown the figure can be interpreted as 35o,ooo at it's highest or a figure of ZERO at it's lowest. Quite a variance !
Not whining, nabo paul, but laughing.
Apr 08th, 2015 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lf you think that we owe your silly country $350mil then good for you.
However you are not going to get even 350 worthless Argentine pesos.
Why shouldn't l insult you?
You invite it with your stupid statements.
But you do keep me entertained. lol!
Fyi, l did my schooling, elsewhere, but in any case l do believe that Stanley school has a higher standard than ANY school in Argentina.
We don't teach our children lies, like you do.
ldiot child.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2015/03/19/why_did_the_british_invade_the_falkland_islands.html
Apr 08th, 2015 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For anyone who is interested in the true history of the Falklands, not the fairy tale invented by our Imperialist neighbours.
@44 pgerman
Apr 08th, 2015 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A couple of things, if you don't mind, in a spirit of positive dialogue :
1) Is it FALSE that the 1970s military dictatorships of the Poor, Poor Republic of Argentine splurged great wads of the public purse on shiny toys for the three services, in a procurement process rendered yet more costly by the number and depth of snouts in the trough? Is it TRUE that the PPRA has been plagued by decades of financial mismanagement, not just by Peronists? Could there be some other structural and/or cultural element at work, or is it all Somebody Else's Fault?
2) I think one needs to be distinguish between air and maritime issues. It is clear as regards maritime issues that the PPRA's attempts to interfere with British shipping are a breach of the PPRA's obligations under international treaties, but nobody really expects the PPRA to honour the agreements it has entered into anyway. Air issues are a bit different in that the PPRA is in breach only of normal, adult civilized standards of behaviour, but nobody really expects any better there either. In neither case do British efforts to find an economically effective solution amount to “bothering”. See 1 above. An example of “bothering” for example, would be to turn up at every international gathering imaginable whinging to all and sundry that your rapists, murderers and mutineers were politely invited to sling their hook off British territory some two centuries ago.
3) Where can I find out more about this dastardly Anglo-Chilote plot to deprive the PPRA of some of its territory? It's quite fascinating. I'm wondering in particular why the plot wasn't acted upon in 1982, when the PPRA was defeated in land, sea and air, legally, militarily, diplomatically and politically. Wouldn't that have been a good time to get dastardly on their ass?
isolda and grandpa clyde
Apr 08th, 2015 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0clearly you both have been victims of brainwashing and indoctrination, and thats a pity, cause i appreciate you both, in spite that you both are a bit thicko.
now, talking about the debt that england never paid, there is a lot of documentation.
here you have a bit:
“ Winston Churchill complained about the harsh policy of the United States against Argentina, pointing out that Argentine supplies were vital to the British, and that by removing their diplomatic presence from the country they would even force Argentina to seek German protection. British diplomacy sought to guarantee the supply of Argentine food by signing a treaty covering it, while US diplomatic policy sought to prevent such a treaty.”
a complete article about the debt that london never paid (U$S 3500 million of...1945)
http://www.perfil.com/ediciones/columnistas/-20119-611-0020.html
and finally isolda, you have to stop insulting and behaving so bad.
it is very, very dissapointing.
what-a-shame.
now go to your room.
Oh, dear.
Apr 08th, 2015 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Powerless Pablo thinks he is too funny by half.
In reality, he's a condescending tiresome bore.
68 pelotudo
Apr 08th, 2015 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and who the fuck is talking with you, you boludo?
if you think it is a tiresome conversation and blablabla, then why the fuck you get involved, you pelotudo?
you are not too bright, are you, boludín?
69 paedo-pablo
Apr 08th, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...and who the fuck is talking with you, you boludo?
if you think it is a tiresome conversation and blablabla... ”
Everything you say is tiresome.
If you want to expose yourself as a sleaze and a bully, and intimidate female posters, in your own special creepy way on a public forum, you'll just have to accept criticism of your actions.
Ewwww,
You make me want to gag.
Potty - mouth pablo still hasn't answered my question as to why Argentina is in need of Aid $ from the UK and Europe.
Apr 08th, 2015 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps he is busy writing his Note of Thanks to HM Queen Elizabeth II, including a begging letter for UK citizenship?
71 ilsen
Apr 08th, 2015 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Potty-mouth Pablo is more likely the type who would send her a “sext” message photo of his penis - he's that kind of classy guy.
Of course, he isn't likely to impress anyone that way.... LOL!!
#67
Apr 08th, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you both have been victims of brainwashing and indoctrination....actually no. We both understand the methods of dissembling employed by your government.
It's sad that so many of your countrymen have fallen for it.
As to being thickos, I have seen no great sign of intelligence in any of your posts and have had to correct you on many occasions. However your opinion of your superior mental abilities does not hold up under scrutiny.
You always end up on a metaphorical soap box screaming abuse at all and sundry and in many cases dodging the question asked and refusing to answer.
grandpa
Apr 08th, 2015 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as far as i remember, it was ME who has corrected YOU in many issues, including the correct use of YOUR OWN language.
not to mention your misuse of the reference numbers.
l shouldn't feed the troll, but……
Apr 08th, 2015 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You, paulcedron, ldiot child require a sound thrashing.
Your mouth washed out with lye soap,
Then a bath, a haircut & a spell in H.M. lnfantry.
You might then be able restrain yourself from your infantile outpourings of complete idiocy.
l repeat, ldiot troll child.
74 propaganda-Pablo
Apr 08th, 2015 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pablo - you are SO LAME!!
Clyde and others, have repeatedly caught you out in lies, and exposed your racially based hatred and prejudices.
Clyde has corrected you regarding ideology and historical facts , as well as your misinterpretation of articles and you yourself have posted.
Not to mention, your unthinking regurgitation of ULTRA-K propaganda!
Your pitiful retort - ' I corrected your use of language and numbering'!!
You embarrass yourself every time you post.
Go on, you can't argue - call me a “Boludo” or something.
I bet it impresses the the other hod-carriers on your building site!
...if you still have a job, that is.
nobody expects too much from a pair of bennys with no proper education.
Apr 08th, 2015 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and sadly, that's the case of 75 and 76.
anyway, this imbecile 76 talks about tiresome boredom and all that this imbecile does is to answer to me.
either he/ she is a masochist or an imbecile or both.
the same with 75.
guess posting their usual bullshite in this 4th class site is the big thing for this pair of benny- hillbillies.
that and watching top gear and some other reality show, no?
what an exciting life they have in the stinky islets.
The Poor, Poor Republic of Argentina has more mythology in it than the Lord of The Rings, and it is no surprise that Poor, Poor Paulotudo has swallowed the one about the UK's alleged war debt to Argentina. In fact, the debt the UK incurred to Argentina in feeding itself whilst engaged in a life or death struggle against the Nazi menace otherwise unsupported by the noble PPRA, was paid off in full as part of the sale of the railways, in an episode eerily reminiscent of the PPRA's theft of REPSOL. Plus ca change in the PPRA ....
Apr 08th, 2015 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KdZ6geu5TLEC&pg=PA139&dq=british+payment+argentine+debt+war+railways&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KqQlVeeGN6fImwXLyIGACg&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=british%20payment%20argentine%20debt%20war%20railways&f=false
oh, clever - calling me a “benny” instead of “Boludo” now!!
Apr 08th, 2015 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hopeless attempt by you to focus on the British economy - as per the ULTRA-K l'il Propagandist Playbook.
Are those the instructions from the government this week??
BTW, you spelt “dissapointing”, incorrectly @67
Nobody is impressed by your creepy, sleazy, bullying tactics - do you get off on degrading women or something??
Ugh!!
78
Apr 08th, 2015 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0first, what the fuck is PPRA, you asshole?
Public Procurement Regulatory Authority?
Punjab Procurement Regulatory Authority?
Protection of Pupil Rights Amendment ?
and how the fuck those railways which were a wreck, could pay the huge, immense debt that england had /still has with argentina?
it is funny because the authors who said that bullshite were either yanks or british.
there is another idiot who said that the debt was cancelled with a little bunch of gloster meteors. lol
the fact is that england was totally bankrupt and impoverished after ww2 and they couldnt pay a shite.
add to that that they are not the most honest pirates, and voilá, you have another debt unpayed by the english scum.
Still hasn't answered my question.
Apr 08th, 2015 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just saying. ...
@80
Apr 08th, 2015 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The PPRA is the Poor, Poor Republic of Argentina, you know, that poor, poor country where the poor, poor things live who're always getting a hard time off somebody or other for one thing or another.
PPRA
Apr 08th, 2015 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“first, what the fuck is PPRA, you asshole?
Public Procurement Regulatory Authority?
Punjab Procurement Regulatory Authority?
Protection of Pupil Rights Amendment ?”
PERONIST Populist Republic of Argentina , or am I being too generous?
BTW, what's wrong with the Punjabi's?? Are you a racist or something??
As far as you know, we are all Punjabi AND British!!
Did your mum and your teachers tell you scary stories about the Gurkhas cutting off the heads of “bad little conscripts that should be in bed”??
You know those are only fairy tales, right?
Tell her, tonight.
Pablo, you impress nobody here. Anybody reading this looks at our posts and at yours - your sad bleatings are the ones they laugh at!!
must be near night-night time for you...
The Other Side of Human Rights in Argentina
Apr 08th, 2015 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://upsidedownworld.org/main/argentina-archives-32/5034-the-other-side-of-human-rights-in-argentina
@77 nabolito paul,
Apr 09th, 2015 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“an exciting life in the stinky islets” -you say.
But its a life that you want to have, you jealous little unwashed microbe.
However you never will.
lf this place is so bad, how come Argentina wants it so badly?
Answer that you idiot child.
#74
Apr 09th, 2015 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Misuse of reference numbers.....TWICE ...and at least you knew to whom I was referring.
As to YOU correcting my English, if you believe that then you are totally deluded.
If I could be bothered then I could shred your posts for syntax, grammatical errors and idiomatic usage.
A tip. Before you hit post, reread what you have written. Imagine that you may have to defend it in a court -of-law where every word would be examined for misinterpretation or unsubstantiated opinion.
I have had to do this in my work when dealing with International lawyers, accountants and investigation officers of European Custom's agencies.
Throwaway or glib remarks can come back to bite you !
To use a favourite phrase of yours....GOT IT ?
85 naba
Apr 09th, 2015 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0those islets are a bad place because there are 2000 parasites living there.
86 grandpa
thanks for the advice
87 parasite pablo
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“those islets are a bad place because there are 2000 parasites living there.”
Sorry creep - it's not for you to judge - too bad!!
Your characterising is for your own selfish political purposes and bears no semblance to reality.
Meanwhile, Pablo lives in a society that wants something for nothing, and LA Campora parasites feeding off the state.
86 Clyde15
Apr 09th, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0only illiterates correct or spelling or lingo of others,
I doubt if he has ever been to the uk, or where it is,
and has no clue of [ interpretation ]
87 being one.
paulcedron,
Apr 09th, 2015 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are indeed a stupid germ.
ldiot child.
shut up naba.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you know nothing
91 potty-mouth Pablo
Apr 10th, 2015 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are truly blind - all you see is what you want - the K Myth and the K propaganda!!
I hope you are paid well - otherwise you're a fool !
92
Apr 10th, 2015 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0cerrá el orto, boludito
93 pottymouth
Apr 10th, 2015 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The K's are getting rich because of self-deluded fools like you.
Ironic, isn't it?
They destroy your country, and you defend them out of “Patriotism”!!
They're laughing all the way to the bank, whilst you have to take the bus to the beach.
Stupid surfer wannabe !!!
l know more than you nabolito paulcedron.
Apr 10th, 2015 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0l also know that you are a complete idiot.
You swear, you insult, but you don't like it when others insult you.
You ask to be insulted.
l'll bet that the other kids used to bash you at school.
Sheesh, what a fragile ego.
You are germ, paul.
ldiot child
67 paulcedron
Apr 10th, 2015 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain unilaterally declared the inconvertibility of the pound, which could not be exchanged for dollars”. So the article doesn't claim that the debt wasn't paid, simply that Argentina wanted it paid in the currency of a third country.
95
Apr 10th, 2015 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0shut up naba.
you know nothing.
96
the british pound was toy money after ww2.
what´s your level of education?
kindergarten?
British Falkland's,
Apr 10th, 2015 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British military,
British pound,
all doing very nicely thank you..
97 Pillows Pablo
Apr 10th, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“95
shut up naba.
you know nothing.”
what happened to your cooing love noises??
Isolde thinks you're a loser.
97 paulcedron
Apr 10th, 2015 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the british pound was toy money after ww2.” Maybe so, but regardless, the British must have complied with the treaty; otherwise you would have clearly shown where they were in breach. What ever my level of education is, it's more than sufficient to deflate your pomposity and effectively rebut your nonsense.
Speaking of toy money, how many currencies has Argentina had since WW2?
Apr 11th, 2015 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 067 paulcedron
Apr 11th, 2015 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain unilaterally declared the inconvertibility of the pound, which could not be exchanged for dollars, irreparable damage inflicted on our country by preventing use such large sums to acquire property and equipment in the United States”
The only mention of currency in the treaty in place is in sterling, so there was no obligation for the British to pay in dollars. So another lying revisionist version of history from Argentina without one iota of proof.
Covenant Eden-Malbrán
Section 4 stipulated that, during the term of exchange controls in Argentina, the Argentine government should allocate the sum of the change in sterling from the sale of Argentine products in the United Kingdom in order to meet the demand for remittances currents of Argentina to the United Kingdom, ... the UK government would cooperate with the Argentina, “in order to get the amount of change in sterling obtained in Argentina by the export of Argentine products to the UK corresponds as closely as possible with the value obtained for such products in the UK market, taking due account of the necessary deductions for freight, insurance, etc. ”
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacto_Eden-Malbrán
#102
Apr 11th, 2015 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He does not want to know. The truth gets him confused.
103 Clyde
Apr 11th, 2015 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truth would throw off his whole memorised argument.
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