The Argentine government continues disrespectfully to ignore “our inalienable right to determine our own future” and “develop our economy”, said the elected government of the Falkland Islands in a release responding to Argentine determination to impede the Islands right to develop the hydrocarbons industry and claims about 'militarization' of the South Atlantic. Read full article
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”The Falkland Islands Government (FIG) fails to see how drilling is in any way a provocation.”Apr 17th, 2015 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Well obviously seen from your own point of view....but....
If my neighbour was drilling in what I believed to be my backyard and not his...I'm sure that he would understand why I might see it as a provocation...
WHOSE RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION? Where is the people subjected to alien domination or exploitation? decolonisation is not for colonisers. British as you are, you cant complain. That's why nobody has ever regonised self determination to you guys!Apr 17th, 2015 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@ 2Apr 17th, 2015 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
nobody has ever regonised self determination to you guys!
How about Ban-ki-moon the Secretary General of the UN when speaking at a forum on de-colonisation in Noumea New Caledonia on 19/05/2010 said
The world's 16 remaining territories that do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status
He did not say excluding the Falkland Islands
3Apr 17th, 2015 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Yes..well we can't always believe that what Ban Ki Moon says is always true or even accurate....
He was wrong there, so maybe he was wrong other times...
@4Apr 17th, 2015 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Completely wrong Alejo - the UN fully recognises that the people of the Falklands NSGT have the right to self-determinationApr 17th, 2015 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
2 - Canada-Australia and New Zealand all have for a start. There,s 3 Independent Nations for you.Apr 17th, 2015 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Find me a quote from the Un Sec General or Security Council that says the Islands are NOT entitled to decide their own future.
Or from the EU - or from USA for that matter.
@4: in what way was Ban Ki Moon wrong? I don't see your point. And as for drilling for oil in your backyard, I'd be annoyed as well, however, seeing as it's not in your backyard there's nothing to get upset about. It's bloody miles from RGland! I fail to see how drilling for oil is a provocation when compared to re-arming your military with Russian/Chinese aircraft.Apr 17th, 2015 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
8Apr 17th, 2015 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
It was just an example of the fallible Ban ki Moon being wrong...didn't you read it...?
“Along with moviegoers worldwide, I have been on the edge of my seat watching Mr. Craig, as James Bond, defuse ticking time-bombs with seconds to spare.
Daniel Craig as James Bond has never defused a bomb...three other Bonds have but not him...so he didn't watch him doing it....
So he was wrong...
I didn't say it was my backyard I said....in what I believed to be my backyard and not his.
Do you ever understand anything that I say at all...?
@9Apr 18th, 2015 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Isn't it just as well then that Ban Ki Moon is employed for his expertise on global politics rather than his speech writer's knowledge of cinematic trivia? As a South Korean, for example, his experience of the rampant territorial ambitions of loony regimes fronted by pocket-lining dynasties must surely bring something to the role of Secretary General of the United Nations.
Decolonization Argentine style: a process whereby some alleged principle of colonial inheritance some two centuries ago allows you to seize a territory and subject the inhabitants to to alien domination.
What's wrong with this picture?
8PDG 0192Apr 18th, 2015 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Don't listen to the crap from Voice - he only wants attention.
- his arguments are nothing more than fallacious sophistry - he is deliberately contentious and obtuse.
@9: I see. I think Ban Ki Moon was alluding to the idea that James Bond was one person, and that he has been played by various actors, one of whom is Daniel Craig. But I may be wrong.Apr 18th, 2015 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
And, no, I find your logic quite difficult to follow, mainly because you seem to lash out at anything passing through your transom. Clarity, now there's a good word... Why would you mention something being amiss in your backyard if that was not what you wanted to convey to us?
Decolonization Argentine style: a process whereby some alleged principle of colonial inheritance some two centuries ago allows you to seize a territory and subject the inhabitants to to alien domination.Apr 18th, 2015 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
What's wrong with this picture?
That this wave of indignation comes from someone whose country is most well-known around the world for a process whereby some alleged principle of colonial supremacy (not even inheritance) some five centuries ago allowed you to seize a territory and subject the inhabitants to to alien domination.
12Apr 18th, 2015 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
It was a simple analogy...Argentina believes the Islands are theirs and the territorial waters are theirs...their backyard....
What the Falklands are doing can't be seen as anything else, but provocation to Argentina....simple.
@13 regressive-TrollApr 18th, 2015 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
”whereby some alleged principle of colonial supremacy (not even inheritance) some five centuries ago allowed you to seize a territory and subject the inhabitants to to alien domination.
like Spain, then? who is your mother country?
Yet, the Falklands were uninhabited. It was your forebears that subject[ed] the inhabitants to to alien domination” in what is now called Argentina. the British merely found a rock, with no people on it, and thought it might be useful.
Exactlty the kind of forward-thinking that your people have never mastered.
For some-one who claims intellectual superiority, your arguments are surprisingly weak.
Finally the Falklands government states that in 2013 a referendum sent a clear unequivocal message to the world with 98% of the local population preferring to remain a British Overseas TerritoryApr 18th, 2015 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
No they didn't, not even in Britain they believed that farce.
This isn't self-determination. It's a Ruritanian colonial relic
Why ask British people if they want to be British?
Over the last year, rumours have mounted that the prominent bed pan cleaning specialist, with the poster name Paulcedron is transitioning into a woman. His appearance has changed in recent months including growing out his long hair and wearing coloured nail polish.Apr 18th, 2015 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
In an exclusive internet interview with Mercopress staff and sitting next to his spouse, Marcos Alejandro, he requested a new future username: Paulinacedron and openly admitted that he was going through gender reassignment.
It clearly fits in why he's a mentally challenged emotionally troubled envious pathetically ignorant pathological lying Campora wannabe thug with a drug damaged mind.
@17 ChicureoApr 18th, 2015 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I can't really support your comment if you believe that being a woman is somehow 'lesser' than being a man.
However, I do believe that the obvious ingesting of 'paco' has damaged paul-carrion beyond repair. As for MA, MisAnthrope, surely a sock-puppet of Stevie?
@15Apr 18th, 2015 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
So now I finally get it. The importance of the Falklands to the British.
Not about self-determination of innocent islanders.
Not about a principle of defending your borders.
Not about a showing of force against aggression so as not to invite future weakness.
Not about oil and resources.
Not even about hanging on to vestiges of colonialism.
The Falklands are the salvation-valve to deny the rest of it.
We British found some rocks, with no people on it, and thought it might be useful.
Thus negating the bigger rock of New Zealand, with people on it... the bigger rock of India, with people of it... the bigger rock of Australia, with people on it... the bigger rock of North America, with people on it... the bigger rock of Africa, with people on it... that you also thought might be useful.
The Falklands being uninhabited nullify all the rest of it. We British are innocent, no colonials at all, no subjugation of other people under alien domination. It's all a misunderstanding... as the Queen said recently, it was a 'partnership': us British and the Natives of all those lands, equals... that's why we tried to cleanse them out.
Therein lie the true significance of the Falklands. To deny the rest and then have enough hard-face to call Argentines on their alien domination that we never carried out in the Falklands... no people!”.
@19Apr 18th, 2015 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
That is quite a leap of logic and extrapolation you have made there!
I only mentioned the FI. Nothing else. I made no justification of anything else.
Those meds must be quite strong.
Good Luck in the future. Soon you will be flying on the backs of winged-unicorns to visit the mythical 'malvinas'...
such a sucker, your so-called 'IQ' seems to be failing you, grasping at straws now!
You should be ashamed of your ignorance and inability to contribute anything useful here.
You made no justification because you entirely dodged it. Even a weaker action.Apr 18th, 2015 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
The Argentine government continues disrespectfully to ignore “our inalienable right to determine our own future” and “develop our economy”, said the elected government of the Falkland Islands in a release responding to Argentine determination to impede the Islands right to develop the hydrocarbons industry and claims about 'militarization' of the South Atlantic.Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
To the elected members of the Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands and all the Islanders: Well said!
Your voice should be heard more often to help counter the propaganda and prejudice that is continuously spewing from the mouths of the Argentines.
One of the smartest moves that you guys have made in recent times is to hold your referendum, which has given you a powerful argument in your struggle against argentine colonial aggression.
Stick it up 'em guys!
@21Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I certainly do not need to justify myself to you!
Common little troll, you are so far beneath me. lol!
I post here for my enjoyment, not to satisfy your needs. Which are many!
Marcos-16- as usual being the good Argentine you are rather selective in your quotes from equally ignorant reporters who have a grudge to bear against the Uk govt of the day.Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
You know very well- as your Govt does which is why it suddenly went quite on the referendum issue - that it was NOT British people voting to stay British - what a stupid title!
Quite a few of those 98% were people born of NON BRITISH origen who have come to settle here and qualified to be on the electoral role.
It was the vote by a people of a territory or country. In the same way I guess that 98% of 40million Argentines would have voted to stay Argentine had they been asked in a referendum - do you want to stay Argentine or become Chinese?
Your argument is irrelevant as usual.
Do tell us why your Govt does not take the issue to the Int Court of Justice?
Do tell us why your Govt - having taken Uruguay to the Int Court over the paper Mill case -then simply totally ignored the verdict - when the verdict went in favour of Uruguay?
Come on now - tell us please
@13Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Tobi, I can see why you might think it's really, really unfair the world won't let Argentina do what was considered acceptable five centuries ago, but I'm sure if you ever manage to join the rest of us in the 21st century, you'll be able, eventually, to figure out why.
@21Apr 18th, 2015 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Sorry Chopper, nobody needs to justify laughing at the pontifications of a self styled member of the NoEthic Vanguard. In fact it is the only logically valid thing to do. ;)
@25Apr 18th, 2015 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
My problem is not with your past actions (as execrable as they were), my problem is your actions today. More precisely, your lack of action: no apologies to all those that were destroyed under your yoke.
I think Argentina should refuse to pay all debts to EUians just on the basis of their lack of basic apologies for their colonial past.
Then get used to me truthtrolling forever.
Ha Ha Ha, Incompetent, IT challenged fake Voice, spouting hyperbole as usual and soon to be enjoying a nice piece of Sturgeon! Trust it sticks in his throat! How is it down there at Filmus's arse?Apr 18th, 2015 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
@2 alejomartinezApr 18th, 2015 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
That's why nobody has ever regonised self determination to you guys!
I believe you will find that the Charter of the United Nations recognises self determination for EVERY human being on this planet Earth. NABO!
26 imoyaroApr 18th, 2015 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
”Sorry Chopper, nobody needs to justify laughing at the pontifications of a self styled member of the “NoEthic Vanguard.” In fact it is the only logically valid thing to do. ;)”
I might remind you, that NOSTRILS is Jewish, in fact.
It is very inconvenient for him to admit to that - due to the crimes against the Jewish community of Argentina, condoned by the Peronist Government of CFK.
How can he support the Peronist Nationalists when they have betrayed his people?
An uncomfortable paradox!
Watch, he won't address this...
Sorry argentina is product of colonisation and the murder of the natives.Apr 18th, 2015 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
at least we eventually stopped and went home from places we werent wanted.
the spanish murdered everyone who might object thats why you speak spanish.
If I object to my neighbour 350km away drilling in the sea when I walked away from an agreement most people would think me crazy.
@19Apr 18th, 2015 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Not even about hanging on to vestiges of colonialism.
Well at least something is getting through to you. Perhaps you have just realised that the islanders can declare independence any time they like and there is nothing the UK could do about it. Therefore the relationship is far from colonial. Whereas Argentina's plan for the islands is completely colonial - subjugation, denial of self-determination, theft of resources. If it was bad for Britain to do that kind of thing in the past around the world, then how would it be good for Argentina to do it in the future in the FIs? I would be grateful for an Argentine explanation for this.
This is all very funny...Apr 18th, 2015 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
By Voice (cowardly morons) logic, the Falkland Islanders very existence is a provocation and therefore shouldn't be allowed. Just because Argentina wants the islands, doesn't mean those who actually own them cant do as they please.
Secondly, this back yard nonsense. How would Britian feel?
They would be supportive, become involved and even offer their own licences to explorers looking for oil in an island group in Britain back-yard.
I hope the Isobel prospect and the Humpback prospect are a massive success for the islanders.
@ 27 I think Argentina should refuse to pay all debts to EUians just on the basis of their lack of basic apologies for their colonial past.Apr 18th, 2015 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
So why do you Calvinists wish to colonise the Falkland Islands?
It is strange how the Argentines on here use past wrong doings of the UK to justify their current actions. The UK would not be able to to invade and colonise anyone today, anymore than the Spanish would be able to do it.Apr 18th, 2015 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
So why does Argentina think it can?
I think that what this all boils down to is simple jealousy. The islands have managed to develop a viable off shore hydro-carbons industry, something that Argentina with all it's resources has never managed to do.
Yes we have been spying on you for years, we know exactly what and where to target should you try and invade again, every single military installation you have, coordinates are locked in and the button is ready to press.
@30Apr 18th, 2015 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Troy, in point of fact if the guy told me he was Jewish, it would count in his favor. But Chopper isn't Jewish, nothing he says would indicate that. He's pure fruitcake. With a dash of rum burning on top. ;)
@36 imoyaroApr 18th, 2015 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
In fact a couple of years ago, tobias/TTT/Troll boy, was trying to convince everyone that he was a native Amerindian.
Nothing he spouted every sounded true. He was blasting the 'Anglos' for their past colonial days, but never said a bad word against the Spanish. Which came across as very strange, considering that it was the Spanish and not the 'Anglos' that stole his 'people's' land, and committed acts of genocide against them.
However, he was proven a liar, because shortly after his claims to be a native Amerindian, he obviously forgot who he was pretending to be, and went on a hate fuelled rant about them. And all because they were protesting about their treatment by the Argentine government.
The troll is a liar. He claims to be many things because he feels that this would give his argument some weight and validity, and make him seem more credible.
The troll is dishonest. He has used many different names over the years, but is usually outed very quickly because he can't help himself. He always reverts to form. Over the years he has pretended to be Chinese, African, Italian and probably numerous other nationalities as well as being a native Amerindian and Jewish.
And this is why no one can ever take him seriously. He's a silly little boy, with no future, no prospects, and as such he hates himself. Which is why he rails agains 'EUians' (his own creation), and Europeans in general. Because he is European, or of European descent. Yet he sees just how well other Europeans live, and he's stuck in a craphole country, with no future. In short, he is jealous, so lashing out at the very thing that he wants to be, but can never be.
As for the story. Well said Falkland Islands Government.
As Lady Galadriel said: Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. To add to those wise words: even the 'smallest community' can drown out a loud mouthed bully of a neighbour.
@1. But then if I had proved, conclusively, over a period of years, that what you believed was your backyard, wasn't, you should shut the feck up and go bother someone else.Apr 18th, 2015 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Isn't it strange how argieland always picks on someone smaller/weaker?
@2. ALL people have the right to self-determination. As an Englishman, if I don't like the elected government, I have the right to vote against it and try to get a different one. I have the right to persuade others to my point of view. And I was born and live in the greatest country in the world. My country used to go out into the world and try to trade with others. Completely different to other advanced countries. France, Portugal, spain went out into the world to conquer and oppress. England, Great Britain were notable for improving the civilisation etc of the countries they entered. What 'improvements' did France, Portugal, spain make? The guillotine? Burning at the stake? Garroting? Go and read the UN Charter. Don't come back until you can recite the whole thing AND comprehend it.
@9. Do you ever 'say' anything worth reading?
@13. Perfectly reasonable. Don't bother with the word 'colonial', it was just supremacy.
@14. Of course it was. 'Simple' because simple is the best you can manage. What argieland 'believes' is irrelevant. Try international legal principle.
@16. Let's make something clear. OUR Falkland Islands are OURS. The people have decided. We're not interested in what some journalistic traitors say. If you don't believe, try again.
@19. No, you don't 'get' anything. But keep it up and you will. Back in '82, the only way to get combat aircraft to the Falklands area was aircraft carriers and other vessels. Not any more. Just imagine RAF Typhoons flying 1100 miles toward Buenos Aires to release their Storm Shadow cruise missiles. See? You're a target. Justification!
@27. You haven't 'thought' yet. Why start now?
@27 TobiApr 18th, 2015 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Well as we know, any excuse is good enough for Argentina not to pay its debts, but could you explain why exactly I should be apologizing to anybody for things that were done centuries before I was born? Where should I stop exactly? Or where should I start? 'Ow about Stone'enge, 'undreds of years before the dawn of time? Would tgat do? Supposing I was to write a song about it? Would that help?
36 imoyaroApr 18th, 2015 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Nostrils TOBI is great at denounce other ethnicities, besides his own, but what would that be?
He rants against Amerindians and has no respect for them.
He thinks it's fine to discriminate against Blacks.
He has made fun of the Asians.
He rails against Europeans - the EUians and the Nort Amoans or whatever.
That really onl leaves the Midfle East, and we know he doesn't like Arab Muslims
He has mentioned his brother is fluent in Hebrew.
He NEVER mentions anything about Jews.
- I'm thinking his ethnicity is therefore, Jewish.
I bring this up to show his own duplicity - supporting a government in bed with the Iranians who destroyed the AMIA Jewish Centre in B A , murdering 85 Jews, who were also Argentine citizens.
Timmerman, Jewish himself, has tried to prevent prosecution of the Iranians, in return for trade and 'financial' deals'.
So much for Nostril's integrity.
He will not answer this.
@40. Please do not denigrate the Israeli/Jewish people by suggesting that Nostrils TOBI has any connection with them. I am neither Israeli or Jewish but I believe that Nostrils TOBI just hates everyone. We can consider this. What sort of psychotic hater is like this? Something that is, basically, inadequate. He must hate pictures of the much more handsome Elephant Man. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Joseph_Merrick_carte_de_visite_photo,_c._1889.jpgApr 18th, 2015 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
If one asked the question Can he get it up? Would he know what 'it' was? Has it got one? Isn't it just a 'bender'?
There is no valid reason for believing his ethnicity is Israeli/Jewish. Look further afield. Like Russians. The Russians like 'divide and conquer'. So do they Chinese. Both are inclined toward 'the long view'. Think it through. I can't say much more at present, but why is Brasso always going on about the 'East'?
41 Conq.Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I'm quite sure TOBI is Argentine, and NOT Israeli.
He has slagged everyone of European descent, as being genetically predisposed to dishonesty, colonialism, and genocide - a true racist statement.
Whether he includes Russians as ethnically European, I am not sure.
He has however, stated that he is NOT European or of European descent, and derides the Amerindians, yet he lives in Argentina.
If we ask him directly, if he is Jewish, I bet he is afraid to respond.
The inalienable right of Argentines to the full exercise of its sovereignty over all its territory belonging to 40 million Argentines:Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Las Malvinas son Argentinas, fucking:
43 JoséApr 18th, 2015 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Las Malvinas son fucking Argentinas:
You got that right.
The Falklands are however, NOT Argie.
40m can go pound sand !
@43Apr 18th, 2015 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Can't wait for your 14 new jets from China
Bye Bye shiny new if not slightly inferior, best you can buy with beef, jets.
Argentines have no right to the land they are in, let alone somebody elses.Apr 18th, 2015 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Give Patagonia and the rest of South America back to the indigenous populations you stole them from.
Once you've given all that land back then you can ask the Falklands Islanders to give their land back to its indigenous population... good luck finding any though, as there never were any.
And thats the core difference: Jose and your ilk are COLONISERS who stole their land form the indigenous peoples and continue to squat on their lands... at least the Falklands were uninhabited before the Islanders began living there.
So until you get over your own hypocrisy and hand back south america, you can go whistle.
@42 TroyApr 18th, 2015 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The troll is of European descent.
He is Argentina, probably only 2nd or 3rd generation, and has been so completely brainwashed that he actually can't think for himself. It's like 1984 by George Orwell: black is white, war is peace, love is hate and so on and so forth.
He certainly isn't Jewish, he's had a few rants at the Jewish community over the years for having the temerity to not agree with the government.
You see that's Tobias the trolls downfall. He can't possibly criticise the government because he has been indoctrinated into believing that to do so is treason.
Therefore, in his mind, Argentina and its government can do no wrong. When they are wrong (which is quite often) he goes into one of his hate fuelled rants. That is why he has started attacking Europeans in general (except Cristina's good 'buddies' the Russians), because the EU are basically telling Argentina to pay up it's debts.
It's like the way he constantly cries when people mention Argentina's past (even its very recent past), and yells 'foul' stating it isn't fair to blame those currently in Argentina for the sins of the past, but he is allowed to mention every other countries past, and blame the current citizens of those countries for the sins of their past.
It's hypocrisy in its foulest form. However all he actually does is show himself up to be a prat, and a hypocritical prat at that.
Like when one minute he's stating Argentina should go it alone, then the next falling in 'love' with the Chinese.
I can just see these forums in 30 years time, with the likes of Tobias, crying like pussies because the big, bad imperialist Chinese have taken huge chunks of Argentina over - even though their very stupid president let them have it for a few dams and a few crap combat aircraft/patrol vessels.
But the one thing I am certain of is that in 30 years time the Falklands will still be the Falklands, and Argentina will still be crying and saying 'its not fair' like a petulant teenager.
Falklands: Forget Argentina!Apr 18th, 2015 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@48Apr 18th, 2015 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Excellent advice but Argentina won't forget about the FALKLANDS as they are jealous of them.
@43 José MalvineroApr 18th, 2015 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Las Malvinas son Argentinas, proper fucked:
@ 45 BritworkerApr 18th, 2015 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Excellent video but trumped by this message to the British Armed Forces by an American: Kevin Costner
Obumma should be MADE to see this before he leaves office.
Chile's dream map:Apr 18th, 2015 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The image is a part of an article of a 12 year old Falklands girl that was bullied at gunpoint by Argentines in 1982. Takes a lot of bravery and valor to point your rife a a young girl inside her family home doesn't it?
#12VoiceApr 18th, 2015 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Come off it, it's over 400 miles away!
(and that's just one of the salient arguments).
I think the free world should either get behind the Falkland's right to exist and rule themselves in the name of democracy,Apr 18th, 2015 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
or publicly state that democracy no longer rules,
and thus the need of the UN should be removed,
the world cant have it both ways, but supporting the false argentine claim and closing their eye to the bullying and abuse by this argy government ,
thus proves they have no interest in democracy and should be ashamed of themselves,
The world will reap what it is sowing,
and thus has nothing to complain abt if in the future some other country like Argentina start a claim on them.
just my opinion.
@54 BritonApr 18th, 2015 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
You do have a point.
Of course the worst thing that could happen for Argentina is for the UN and thus international law to be disbanded.
Because then the UK would be under no obligation not to bomb the crap out of Argentina next time they start getting uppity.
Of course the UN General Assembly, and those smaller committees, were created to give unimportant and weak country's a sense of importance. Of course neither the UNGA or those smaller committees (C24), have any power, and can enforce NOTHING.
Only the UN Security Council can do that, and even then the important and powerful country's, can veto any resolution.
The reason? Because ONLY these important and powerful countries actually have the ability to ENFORCE any resolution.
The UN has its uses as a talking shop to keep the majority of country's in the world out of the way. This actually works in very well.
And as for the UN standing up and stating that Argentina doesn't have a sovereignty case, well, they don't actually have to. Argentina does that every time one of their muppet government opens their big mouths.
The UK doesn't need the UN, or the UNs blessing to do anything. Argentina does need the UN, and not because the UN will give them sovereignty (because it can't), it's because the UN gives them a false sense of importance on the international stage which they then tell their brainwashed masses means that the UN backs them.
Well the UN doesn't back Argentina. It didn't back Argentina in 1982 and it doesn't back Argentina now.
Let the Argies, and any other tin pot dictatorship, bitch on at the UN. It doesn't change anything and never will. Because EVEN if the UNSC suddenly decided to vote on the Falklands (and the British were late due to being stuck in traffic and couldn't veto), no one could FORCE the British to hand over sovereignty.
Face it. Argentina can cry, lie, crawl and beg all it wants. But all it does is humiliate itself and show what losers they are.
The Malvinas are Argentines:Apr 18th, 2015 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@56Apr 18th, 2015 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
José - As an adult are you not embarassed to be repeating propaganda you were fed as a child? Have you not developed the ability to debate the facts of the situation beyond depending on your Primary School slogans?
There is no tooth fairy. There is no Santa Claus. And the Falkland Islands are not Argentine. And I am happy to provide evidence for all 3 of those assertions if you wish.
@56 JoseApr 18th, 2015 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Why don't you try and PROVE it at the International Court of Justice?
Just saying something is yours doesn't make it so.
All you have to do is prove WHY an alleged claim by Argentina, dating back to before Argentina EVEN existed as a country, has precedence over nearly 200 years of continuous occupation AND the right to self determination, as laid out by the UN Charter.
Surely it can't be that hard.
Lets have a look at Argentina's 'claims':
1. The British stole them from you in 1833...WRONG. They were already British when the United Provinces tried to steal them from Britain (Argentina didn't exist at the time).
2. Spain 'left' them to Argentina in their 'will'...WRONG. Spain abandoned its own sovereignty claims to the Falkland Islands in the 1840's (which also blows your 1833 claim right out of the water), acknowledged BRITAIN as the only nation with a sovereign claim, and didn't acknowledge Argentina's existence as anything other than a rebellious colony until the 1860's. So it would've been IMPOSSIBLE for Spain to leave Argentina the Falklands as they'd already acknowledged British sovereignty, and Spain couldn't give away something that wasn't theirs.
3. Birds migrate there from Argentina! OMG this is the MOST pathetic claim your looney president has ever come out with.
4. It is part of Argentina's territorial integrity...WRONG! Maps produced by Argentina upon it's formation in 1850 shows that the Falklands were NOT Argentine territory...nor was Patagonia...until you invaded it, murdered the natives and stole it.
5. Geographical proximity...WRONG! No such claim is legal as every country in the world could then use it as an excuse to claim land that doesn't belong to them.
That about covers it...right?
So try taking that to the ONLY body in the world that can ORDER a change of sovereignty, the International Courts of Justice, and see how long it is before you are laughed out of court.
Malvinistas = losers.
16 Marcos AlejandroApr 18th, 2015 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
From a left-wing journalist with no expertise in law or history, who's article is prefaced with his declared bias It's time for a negotiated settlement with Argentina. Education: Balliol College, Oxford: Politics, Philosophy and Economics; Birkbeck College, London: Economics http://www.whocomments.org/wiki/Seumas_Milne
That giving only his own unsupported opinion stated ...the North Korean-style ballot in the Falkland Islands...”. The only thing we can say with a certainty is he doesn't believe the 'rule of law' or democracy, vis-à-vis the UN Charter and it's explicit right to 'self-determination'. So with those cherished views it's quite clear why he would identify with Argentina. One of the most cherished traditions of his homeland is right to free-speech, which in the less elitist of his fellow residents, can be stridently expressed in public places like Hyde Park; where you may hear reasoned and well thought-out speeches. You will certainly hear every bizarre and inane opinion as well. But if your such a person, with all the attributes of the privileged and the right political bent, then it appears that there is place for you at The Guardian.
#58 LEPReconApr 18th, 2015 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Birds migrate there from Argentina! Oh no! I think we've lost our argument. Does that include the penguins as well?
Got to admit, these la Campora folk have been brilliantly educated. No wonder they no longer have a single university ranked in the top twenty of Latin America. (Chile has three by the way, including the number one.)
@56Apr 18th, 2015 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The Malvinas are Argentines
Go to the ICJ.
Argentine domestic law does not apply to the Falkland Islands?...excellent, don´t worry about this new provocative action from Argentina. Let´s see if argentine justice can make something. If it can i won´t be applicable in British in Territories. It will be aplicable in Argentina, and the countries that, for politica and diplomatic, reasons support it.Apr 19th, 2015 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
51# ChrisRApr 19th, 2015 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
An excellent video, thanks for posting the link.
A good point. The true democracy’s should get behind Britain and support self-determination for the Falkland Islands. I think that they don't because they believe that the UK has the situation well in hand, so they don’t need to offer overt support. But perhaps it’s time for them to stop sitting on the fence.
We need to crowd fund Paucedron's breast implants...Apr 19th, 2015 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
The troll is so desperate, he's willing to kiss Joe. Bloggs posterior for moral support.
64Apr 19th, 2015 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Can we get him the cheap ones from India?
Maybe they a 2 for 1 this week for Nostrils... ??
64 ChicureoApr 19th, 2015 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I understand your reason for wishing to attack paulcedron, but I feel your methods are somewhat awkard and facile, somewhat sexist, even.
Please don't be-little yourself by succumbing to his low standards,
& Troy also, come on guys, you are better than this.
59 Terence HillApr 19th, 2015 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I prefer to read The Guardian more than MercoP, which by the way is funded by the same people who organized the North Korean-style ballot in some Argentinian islands called Malvinas.
The Guardian is now the world's third most read newspaper website
Greetings from beautiful Laguna del Desierto, Argentina. Saludos de Hernán.
Ok, it was a cheap shot...Apr 19th, 2015 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
#66 ilsenApr 19th, 2015 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
He started it, by using profane language and trashing my country. That's when sailors like me, break a beer bottle in half in a crowded bar room and proceed with radical plastic surgery.
@69Apr 19th, 2015 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
That's a highly entertaining way of putting it. ;)
You can disagree with Argentina's goal to recover the Islas Malvinas, especially if you live in the islands.Apr 19th, 2015 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
You can of course disagree with the 1982 invasion.
However, you cannot prevent that Argentina continue to peacefully claim its right to the islands in all available forums. I guess that's what makes many tick.
@71Apr 19th, 2015 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Fill your boots, but in turn you cannot prevent the FIs developing their economy and drilling for oil in or around their territory. Plus of course you cannot deny them their right to self-determination. Do you agree?
What has a budding Chinese satellite country to do with the Falklands.Apr 19th, 2015 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
71 EnriqueApr 19th, 2015 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
...I guess that's what makes many tick
Yes, they are called Malvinistas because they tick monotonously, and rightly or wrongly, that is their motivation.
A tool only of your government, to create a unifying and distracting 'National Hate' - at the expense of others.
If you are a man of peace and principle, I am surprised you are so blinded by a contrived cause.
68Apr 19th, 2015 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Ha! caught out being Sexist by Ilsen....perhaps I should also dig out some of your old posts that also show what a creepy perve you are too.....;-)
Interesting that you find someone glassing another person in the face for voicing their opinions....Entertaining...
@71 EnriqueApr 19th, 2015 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
But Argetina isn't claiming its right in all available forums. In fact it's not claiming its right in the only forum that could determine whether it has any right in the first place.
Why do you think that is?
@76Apr 19th, 2015 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
No answer came the stern reply from Enrique. I seriously would like any Argie to explain why on earth, if they think they have a case, they do not take it to the ICJ.
good old americans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5RPWTksegAApr 19th, 2015 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@43. Put your hand on your chair. Raise your thumb. Be seated. Now spin! Hope your thumb comes out of your nose.Apr 19th, 2015 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@55. I make a serious point here. What does the UN actually matter? It is no more than what you called it. A talking shop. For some reason, argieland thinks that the UN is some sort of 'world government'. Other uneducated people seem to have a similar view. Note the many whines about the Iraq War being 'illegal'. Says who? Even the UN itself carefully recognises the reality. See Article 51 of the Charter. 'Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs'. In reality, a nation is sovereign and can do what it likes. In fact, considering the way argieland likes to fiddle with the semantics and connotations of words, there is no reason why the UK couldn't have a ballistic missile submarine parked a couple of thousand miles away ready to drop a nuke into the middle of Buenos Aires the next time some thing like Putrid Jelly makes a threat. Such a threat constitutes an 'attack'.
But, since we Brits are essentially peaceful folk, let's try a new approach using the UN. Let's go through the Charter Article by Article and identify all argieland's breaches. And then Article 6. 'A Member of the United Nations which has persistently violated the Principles contained in the present Charter may be expelled from the Organization by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.' Goodbye argieland.
@59. It's worth looking up Seamus Milne on Wikipedia. A lot of his own words.
A traitor to every honest Western person. A supporter and apologist for muslims. A Jew-hater. A believer in war crimes carried out by the enemy.
@71. Yes we can. Ker-boom! Incidentally, have you noticed that there's more of 'us' than there is of 'you'. Ever wonder what it will take to really piss 'us' off? You're getting close.
67 Marcos AlejandroApr 19th, 2015 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I prefer to read The Guardian thats because you like to read opinions devoid of any factual basis. Furthermore, that's because it subscribes to both your beliefs against the 'rule of law' and anti-democratic aspirations. Moreover, you can express any opinion you like about the referendum. But, what you can't do is disprove it's complete and absolute legality.
@56 José MalvineroApr 19th, 2015 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
If you have any REAL evidence to support that claim, then you should produce it.
Otherwise, it’s just more cheap talk.
That is the question, who outside Argentina will be prepared to try and enforce extradition warrants.
And therein lies the escalation by Argentina, to which there will be a response.
You should be prepared for that, if indeed anybody other than Cuba will act.
A big if.
My guess is few if any countries will, given how clear international law is on this matter.
We shall see, however be prepared to be laughed at.
@71 Enrique Massot
Neither Argentina’s actions nor language can be described as “peaceful”.
Both are provocative, threatening, abusive, offensive, justified with descriptions of history that are COMPLETELY false.
Not to mention completely misrepresenting the UN position and resolutions, someone should tell Filmus and TinPot that these thing are on the UN website.
These are not the actions of a country looking for meaningful talks (let’s start with just talks), but the actions of a country intent on intensifying a dispute to the point of open conflict, albeit short of military exchanges, but even that is not certain here.
Should Argentina succeed in getting hold of and prosecuting an “oil executive”, this would be tantamount to an act of war.
@71 EnriqueApr 19th, 2015 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
However, you cannot prevent that Argentina continue to peacefully claim its right to the islands in all available forums.
Except that Argentina was granted an 'available forum' in 2013 when Timerman was invited for talks in London.
So the UK was NOT 'preventing' the Argentines peaceably stating it's claims to the Islands in an available forum.
Pre-1982, Falkland Islanders were present at talks between the UK and Argentina, so they should be present at any talks now.
Argentina on this occasion closed the door itself.
The UK didn't close that door.
The best door to use.
Argentina and Timmerman can't be any good if they could not persuade two Islanders that being Argentinian is a good idea.
How is it that 40,000,000 people cannot persuade 3,000 to join them?
Timerman refused this available forum despite the fact that Resolution 2065 clearly stated that the interests of the population( of the Falkland Islands) had to be taken into account.
It is in the interests of the Islanders to be present at talks involving the land they live in, therefore Timmerman does not agree with resolution 2065 as he has claimed.
You are right in that no one can prevent Argentina putting forward their claims, it's just that if they don't talk to the 'population' those claims are never going to get anywhere so Argentina is going to be wasting a lot of time.
And similarly, no one can prevent the Islander's right to self determination as ruled by the UN in 2008, and using 'all available forums' to express their right.
Reset to square one.
Thanks everybody for the replies,Apr 19th, 2015 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
A nice topic.
malvinisitas = ticksApr 20th, 2015 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Ticks are small arachnids in the order Parasitiformes. Along with mites, they constitute the subclass Acarina. Ticks are ectoparasites (external parasites), living by hematophagy on the blood of mammals, birds, and sometimes reptiles and amphibians. Ticks are vectors of a number of diseases, including Lyme disease, Q fever (rare; more commonly transmitted by infected excreta).
Some are also intrinsically venomous and can cause paralysis. (ref: Argentine Society) lol!
just so you know....
It's hilarious that those who claim Argentina has not a shred of a claim on Malvinas are also sending us to a particular forum to make our claim. My guess is, Argentina is the claimant and the one to choose the forum it wants to use--wouldn't it be funny if we let our opponents to determine it.Apr 20th, 2015 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
85 EnriqueApr 20th, 2015 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
There is ONLY one forum to hear the case - going before Judge Judy is not gonna cut the mustard
You can disagree with Argentina's goal to recover the Islas Malvinas, especially if you live in the islands.Apr 20th, 2015 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Indeed - we especially disagree with recover. You cannot recover what wasn't yours to begin with - using that word in such a context is lying.
You can of course disagree with the 1982 invasion.
Of course - the illegal invasion is something that should be condemned, and yet is literally celebrated by the perpetrators.
However, you cannot prevent that Argentina continue to peacefully claim its right to the islands in all available forums.
Pete Bog was right when he said that Argentina was granted an 'available forum' in 2013 when Timerman was invited for talks in London.
Under the UN Resolutions Argentina loves to flaunt (and happily ignore those it violated), any negotiations *must* take into account the interests of the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands.
The best and fairest way to do so, of course, is to have them represent their interests.
Your Timerman walked out rather than allow the Islanders their say.
Complain all you wish, but the fact is that Argentina has no rights to the Falklands until it can prove it's sovereignty claim.
The *only* venue that can decide on sovereingty disputes is the ICJ. Argentina has refused ICJ arbitration.
This new legal action against the companies who are drilling in Falklands waters is simply an attempt to bully the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands. Nothing more.
Argentina is doing the right move….. The UK is a decadent country (with little prestige in Europe; and left out of the important meetings as has being the last meetings between Putin and Merkel),…. So forcing the speed of the decadence is the right move to do ….. You can bet that France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Rusia, etc…. are happy with the situation.Apr 20th, 2015 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Daniel Filmus, head of the Malvinas Affairs Department,... blasted the 'militarization' of the Falklands based on an alleged “live threat” from Argentina,...Apr 20th, 2015 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Apparently the UK contributed to the '82 invasion by not maintaining a sufficient military deterrence. So you can be dam certain they are not going to leave Argentina with an inkling of an opportunity to do a repeat performance 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me...”
Deterrence: what it can (and cannot) do
...while London kept emphasising that the Falklands were British, the military Junta in Buenos Aires became convinced that such statements were mere lip service...Deterrence had failed because the United Kingdom had ignored an important factor. Striking a tough pose while at the same time reducing the means to make good on it undermines one of deterrence’s most important ingredients: credibility.
I encourage you to follow your politics…. You are making a terrible good job.Apr 20th, 2015 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Meanwhile the rest of Europe (and the World) is laughing of you.
A country that cannot afford to give a humanitarian and dignified life, in their last days. to their oldies but instead prefer to play the Rule Britannia game is pathetic at the most. (and the World know it)
But,..... I encourage you to follow...... Get it?
Viriato1Apr 21st, 2015 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Eleven million Argentines, 26.9% of the population live in poverty conditions
Argentina's international reserves at a six year record low, and sliding ….
Some 60% of Argentine children in urban areas suffer deficit of basic rights
Over a third of Argentine population in poverty conditions says food and nutrition report
Argentina’s trade surplus shrank 38% in April as imports soar 32%
Argentine consumers expect Inflation in the next twelve months to average 31.3%
Argentina's central bank is currently losing international reserves at an average of 47,5 million dollars per day or 8 million per hour,
Wheat shortage in Argentina has seen bread prices skyrocket; Buenos Aires ton price is double Chicago's
Argentine central bank has lost 17% of reserves since the ‘dollar clamp’
Why do Italians whistle in the toilet? So that they know which end to wipe!
90@Apr 21st, 2015 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
has no interest in the truth,
he is only trying to justify his leaders ambitions.
Viriato1Apr 21st, 2015 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Has followed the normal pattern for new Argentinian posters on here at least.
They always make out the the UK is powerless and unimportant.
Argentina still can't get the Islands from such a powerless and unimportant country.
Ergo, Argentina is even more powerless and unimportant.
2015 and the Falkland Islands are still British and Argentina can't change that.
True.Apr 22nd, 2015 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
#93Apr 22nd, 2015 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
What makes you think he is a new poster and not a current Troll using a new name? The syntax and idiomatic....nearly said idiotic....expressions are similar to a couple of our favourites !
Probably one or two argies behind all of them.Apr 22nd, 2015 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0