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UK accuses Argentina of bullying the Falklands; it's time they begin acting 'responsibly'
Britain's Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond has accused Argentina of bullying after it announced on Friday in London that it was starting legal action against companies drilling for oil and gas near the Falkland Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe word 'responsibly' is unknown by the argentine regime, as there is no translatable equivalent argie spanish.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Charge Filmus with HATE CRIME against the Falkland Islanders.
Perhaps we should just expel their embassy, but that'll probably just add more fuel to the fire. Isn't it time we took this to the ICJ as the Argies can't or won't.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can you bully when you only resort to law? This is an action in line with international law. Who is breaking international law here? Not certainly Argentina but the colonialist power and its unilateral action against UN resolutions and International law, besides Argentina's legislation.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 03Alejo.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please tell me the formal binding UN Security Council resolutions that the Falklands are breaking?
Please state the International Law which is being broken?
There is no“Colonial Power” in the Islands - the offshore EEZ Hydrocarbons and fisheries Zone is 100% managed and controlled and licensed by the Islands Govt. The same local Govt that makes all the Laws for within the Islands.
There is a nearby nation that wishes to force 19th century Colonial Power over the islands and their people though!
#3 and other trolls do not respect laws. Like the 1982 invasion which broked international law. The UN passed a strong resolution tellin get out. They ignored. This is just emploment for Cristinas croneys who need a Harrods trip and wish to go to Jermyn street for famous shirts. Another reason get out of this mad country.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3. Hahahahahahahahaha. This may comes as a surprise to you but argie legislation is of no interest to the Falkland Islands or the United Kingdom. It's a matter of jurisdiction, and argieland has none. And what international law? I'll give you a bit of international law. The legal principle of 'uti possidetis'. Look it up and consider the effect of the Falklands War that you lost. Who gives a toss about UN resolutions?
Apr 18th, 2015 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And here's a really good bit.
http://news.sky.com/story/1466862/argentina-action-over-uk-oil-firms-in-falklands
Quote: Mr Filmus said a judge in Rio Grande, Argentina, had agreed to take on the case, involving three UK firms and two from the US.
So Filmus had to search around argieland to find a judge stupid enough to consider such a case. A Kirchnerist, no doubt.
Watch the world's judiciary laughing themselves sick. Why doesn't srgieland find an equally stupid judge to oppose Judge Griesa?
@3 Alejomartinez
Apr 18th, 2015 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please tell us what “international” law is being broken? Also, please expand on your misinformed statement “but the colonialist power and its unilateral action against UN resolutions and International law, besides Argentina's legislation.”
As far as Argentina's legislation is concerned kindly inform us how it applies to the Falkland Islands.
I look forward to you informed reply.
3 Alejomartinez
Apr 18th, 2015 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This is an action in line with international law”. Nonsense there is nobody that can point to any aspect of international law that the UK is in violation of. In fact the reverse is probably true as this will be correctly ruled as a 'vexatious suit' without any merit.
That's right!
Apr 18th, 2015 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's time they begin acting 'responsibly' Philip
“Canada charges four British sailors with sexual assault in Nova Scotia”
“Canada’s military has charged four members of the British navy with sexual assault causing bodily harm at a Canadian Forces base in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
The men were charged Thursday for their role in a “group sexual assault” in barracks in Shearwater, Nova Scotia last week, according to the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/17/canada-charges-four-british-sailors-sexual-assault-nova-scotia
Marcos
Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Off-topic as usual - get lost
#9
Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is as it should be.
However if someone tries to expose wrong doing in argentina.
They get suicided:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/05/alberto-nisman-argentina-president-fernandez
Their family are also exposed to danger by the argentine regime:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/05/alberto-nisman-argentina-president-fernandez
@9
Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does that not happen in Argentina then, if someone does a misdemeanor do they not get prosecuted in Argie then, why is this so special?.
Tell us what International law has been broken by the companies drilling for oil in the FALKLANDS? We are waiting, if you do not answer we will assume there is no law that you can relate to. One up to the Brits I think.
I would love to see them try to enforce any judgment handed down by that court :-)
Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9. Moron.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not only would take legal action if not militarys. Pirates and okupas occupying the Continental Shelf Argentina as if were of them. Very fucking.:
Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://educacionymemoria.prometeotdf.org/files/2014/09/Argentina-plataforma-mar%C3%ADtima_presentado-ante-la-CONVEMAR.jpg
But guys, be honest, give them a break! We need our Trolls to keep on laughing on this forum. What would we do without them? Please treat them kind and with respect!
Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Noble has had to deal with the attacks of every possible kind of despot on five continents. By their standards this is laughable.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jose give your stolen lands, and all their mineral wealth, back to the indigenous Indians... and get your Spanish ass out of their land and back to Europe (if they'd have you...)
Apr 18th, 2015 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15
Apr 18th, 2015 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very good, your command of English is superlative, what possible laws could Argentina use against the FALKLANDERS to stop them “ stealing ” all that wonderfull black gold ( OIL ) that the FALKLANDS are floating on? I see the oil companies side tracking to get to the oil under Argentina in the not to distant future. Just suck it up because as much as you cry in your soup, you know deep down in your heart we do not give a shit for your country.
15 José Malvinero
Apr 18th, 2015 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what your saying is they are occupying the Argentine continental shelf. That is sheer fantasy, here's the reality thus: ”International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,” p.74 The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine... By Roberto C. Laver
@20
Apr 18th, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you are talking to a moron, he has no conception of right or wrong, he has been indocrinated since birth so just laugh and say “ well he is Argentinian after all what would he know”
@3 Alejomartinez
Apr 18th, 2015 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN clearly say the Islanders have the right to develop their own resources, free from outside interference.
UN also recognises the UK as “administering power”, has de facto sovereignty and therefore legal jurisdiction over the territory.
Argentine domestic law cannot be applied where Argentina does not have sovereignty or legal jurisdiction, the UK does.
@15 José Malvinero
Oh off do fuck, gibberish complete talking you’re.
There that should go through the translator ok.
22
Apr 18th, 2015 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't forget to punctuate it at the end, with “very fucking”
Ah, the argie children are at it again in London.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's only because they want to do some serious shopping for TMBOA but she is too frightened to go herself.
:o)
#15's map is his wet dream of what mentally deluded la Campora brain washed kleptomaniac Peronists want.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The map which would be heaven for Chile, Bolivia, Paraguay, Brazil, Uruguay and the Falkland Islands:
http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01455/SNF18FALKpos---250_1455541a.jpg
25
Apr 18th, 2015 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle !!!
Hey, more seaside resorts for Chile, too.
The Cruise industry would love it!!
it's time they begin acting 'responsibly'
Apr 18th, 2015 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this has just won the worlds best joke of the year,
its time Britain was more rebuts with its enemies, rather than giving them millions to abuse us.
27 Briton
Apr 18th, 2015 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“this has just won the worlds best joke of the year”
Damn!!! Beat me to it!!! I was just thinking that it was going to be a VERY cold day in hell before that starts happening.
If the posters on here are anything to go by ( Simon68 excepted ) then TDC has a long way to go before it reaches acceptable adulthood.
True.lol
Apr 18th, 2015 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny ! - when any Argentine troll on here gets challenged and asked for facts and evidence too back up their fantasyland statements - they go silent and run like hell!
Apr 18th, 2015 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can any of the Trolls tell me WHERE this case will be heard ? If it's in Argentina why should we give a damn what a tinpot country wishes to do. It can talk itself hoarse , give any judgement it wants and we will politely ignore it as a piece of drivel.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So no doubt the tame Argentine judge finds the oil companies guilty, issues fines and jail sentences in absentia to the CEOs - then what? Anyone think they would try to enforce and if so how?
Apr 18th, 2015 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Been reading this boards for the last few months and have decided say something.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing more than a distraction from an increasingly desperate and autocratic government.
Just leave the islanders to get on with their lives and the Argentinian politicians focus on their supposedly democratic mandate (used very guardedly) to focus on making the lives of their citizens better. Energy, time and resources should be spend on sorting out governance, corruption, high homicide rates, poor industrial relations, economy in recession, rampant inflation, infrastructure issues
Plenty of priorities to focus meaningfully on rather than this stunt that will only make Argentinian politicians look foolish, and waste a lot of Argentinian taxpayers hard earned money.
Meanwhile the oil companies will keep on drilling
@3 Alejomartinez
Apr 18th, 2015 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ its unilateral action against UN resolutions”
Which when challenged you cannot prove, because the UK has not broken any UN resolutions regarding the Falkland Islands.
That's why you go quiet and fade away into nothingness.
@15 Jose malvinero
“Not only would take legal action if not militarys”
You've been threatening legal action since 2010.
I'm going to put a bet on at the bookies that not a single Falklands oil exec goes to jail in Argentina.
That's if the bookies accept the bet.
If you take military action, good luck-I hope next time we don't prat about and take out your 5 nearest airbases to the Falklands, to show you what it's like to be bullied.
#33 Pete
Apr 18th, 2015 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since you're in a wagering mood, I'll bet you that in 25 years, the Argentines will still be whining that their fictional fantasy Malvinas belongs to them and the Falklanders will enjoy the one of the highest average standards of living in the world.
Of course, I assume that Argentina will still remain a viable country after mortgaging most of its natural resources to China.
oooohh!
Apr 19th, 2015 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0What Larks!
I knew this would 'kick off!'
I have ordered kilos of popcorn!
I think I might sit this one out, and just observe.
I love a good 'train-crash' movie.
Thank You Argentina!
LOL!
Yawn. Argentines obsessed to illness about the Falklands on the side, Anglos on the other. Don't you people get bored of whipping out the same hackneyed arguments. They are all irrelevant in the end, it is British people in those islands now, really I have no interest in forcing people out or in accepting something they don't want.
Apr 19th, 2015 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would know about that. I don't want the UK or any European country to be in my country. I don't even want their embassies here, I want them GONE. Yet they force themselves upon us, when the Argentine people have made it more than obvious there is nothing about them we have an interest in.
People should start perhaps placing themselves in the other's place.
37 TOBI
Apr 19th, 2015 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me put myself in your place then, are you a Jewish Argentine?
What does someone in your 'place' think of the AMIA murders covered up by Timerman?
I am not a “jewish” “argentine”.
Apr 19th, 2015 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0For someone who objurgates on subject-deflection, you seem to revel in it. Say one thing, do another. Certainly you are British.
39
Apr 19th, 2015 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the contrary, I have been very straightforward with you.
Are you 'Argentine' then, whatever that is??
Oh, by the way, remember the phrase, “ do not deny your God”?
Say what you want--legal action hardly qualifies as “bullying.”
Apr 19th, 2015 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You may like it or not, but Argentina's intention to involve national and international avenues to solve discrepancies is a perfectly legal and civilized method.
In addition, we are talking about legal action against some private companies. Mr. Hammond's language seems unusually out of place here.
@41
Apr 19th, 2015 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0...but not the ICJ to settle it once and for all. Go to the ICJ and accept the result and i would agree with you, but trying to sue company executives in Argentina where you can get a friendly though completely unenforcable result, rather than in the State who has jurisdiction in the Falklands, is not intended to get justice but simply to add cost & risk to the oil companies in the hope of denying economic development to the islanders. It's pretty despicable stuff but not in any way surprising though it might flush out some interesting national views from 3rd countries should you attempt to apply international arrest warrants in North America or the EU.
@41
Apr 19th, 2015 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is only 1 international avenue - the ICJ
why don't you use it?
41 Enrique
Apr 19th, 2015 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Say what you want--legal action hardly qualifies as “bullying.”
...but Argentina's intention to involve national and international avenues to solve discrepancies is a perfectly legal and civilized method.”
Enrique,
That may be true if the charges were not based on a contrived history and fallacious principles of ownership.
Furthermore, after tearing up resource management agreements, Argentina under the K's, has attempted an economic blockade to isolate the Falklands and economically coerce them into submission.
This legal challenge to shut down the oil industry, is just one element of the larger
campaign of economically bullying the Falklands.
The unifying Argentine 'National Hate' against a small, identifiably foreign, 'enemy', is being ratcheted up.
Your Nationalism is based on a contrived hatred, Enrique.
Your country will be remembered for that.
We should never overlook that the 'diplomatic' qualities of TDC are very akin to the Aussie male courting a girl which comprises of “Brace yourself Sheila”.
Apr 19th, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0This explains a lot.
@45
Apr 19th, 2015 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have just finished wiping away tears of laughter regarding your last post. So apt I think.
ChrisR
Apr 19th, 2015 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is commonly known and accepted that after the courting period; foreplay for the (straight) Aussie male consists solely of “Are you awake?”
43
Apr 19th, 2015 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0No you're quite wrong I know of at least 2 International Avenue's...one in Aberdeen and one in Calgary....
And after , rolls over and says “ nice one ” and falls asleep.
Apr 19th, 2015 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 041
Apr 19th, 2015 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I could accept that if the Argentine Government didn't lie so much whilst making these attempts.
What do you say about their other efforts such as blockading our shipping, restricting our air access, attacking our internet system, threatening to arrest people working on our oil fields, making propaganda films using our war memorials, intimidating SA companies that trade with us and sending organised activists along with families of their war dead on next of kin visits, etc.
Are they all legitimate actions?
what's the problem with this philip hammond, apart from his face?
Apr 19th, 2015 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what bullying and threatening is this twat talking about?
the real bullying and threatening is done by england when they increase the militarization of our wonderful mar argentino and our wonderful south atlantic.
they do not have a shite to do in south america.
just ignore these Argentine troll, there country's to weak to do anything about it, both militarily and diplomatically. Argentina the worlds favorite joke of a country. give it another 50 year to improve its act and it might make for an entertaining show
Apr 19th, 2015 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51
Apr 19th, 2015 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Improving living standards and building a school is militarizing the FALKLANDS?
Did you go to school or put another way are there any decent schools that actually teach the truth in Argentina? Do you only listen to your government propaganda or are you not allowed to search the internet for other views, in fact do you where you live have electricity, you know what that is.?
@48
Apr 19th, 2015 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could you give me the specifics please , such as the hyperlinks to these organisations?
many thanks
@Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL Could you arrange to get this bitch of our land http://taboofart.com/2013/08/28/the-embarrassing-argentine-ambassador-to-the-uk-alicia-castro/
Apr 19th, 2015 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 051 paulcedron
Apr 19th, 2015 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even though the UK defense is there to deter any 'bullying' from Argentina. A nation that has already engaged in two illegal acts of aggression.
“our wonderful south atlantic. they do not have a shite to do in south america.' Probably the sixth time troll I've rebuffed that utterance. ”International Court of Justice (ICJ) ...based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,” p.74 The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine...By Roberto C. Laver
@41 Enrique
Apr 19th, 2015 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In addition, we are talking about legal action against some private companies”
To be able to extradite these oil executives from the UK, USA and Italy, surely you will have to prove that Argentina owns the Falkland Islands, before any country would agree to extradite?
Do you seriously think, with the Argentine government's refusal to accept Judge Greisa's judgements (from a USA court)that the USA are going to pay any notice to a request to extradite?
And as the UK do not accept the Argentine claim, there would be absolutely no chance that an extradition request would be met, because if Argentina proved beyond doubt that they had a right to own the Islands, the UK would not be on the Islands.
So Argentina needs to go to the ICJ to get a judgement in it's favour first, otherwise your country is going to look very stupid.
@39, 41, 51. Bombs and missiles, bombs and missiles, bombs and missiles, bombs and missiles, bombs and missiles, bombs and missiles.
Apr 19th, 2015 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Getting the picture? And, by the way, Pablo, you don't have a 'wonderful' anything. Go somewhere a mile underground, explode all tunnels and then die. But thanks for letting us know what the majority of argies are like. The next time we have to come down, it will be a case of 'No prisoners, no survivors'. And the world will become peaceful and quiet. And 40+ million useless, pointless mouths will have been eliminated. Britain will be able to round up all its migrants and ship them somewhere else.
54
Apr 19th, 2015 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No problem...there you go...two International Avenue's...
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?client=safari&ie=UTF-8&fb=1&gl=uk&ftid=0x488413c7678e1571:0x352b5db3037a4558&q=International+Ave,+Aberdeen,+Aberdeen+City+AB21+0AF,+UK&ei=B7gzVZOZK9LTaIjlgcgB&ved=0CBUQ8gEoATAA&output=classic&dg=brw
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?client=safari&ie=UTF-8&fb=1&gl=uk&ftid=0x488413c7678e1571:0x352b5db3037a4558&q=International+Ave,+Aberdeen,+Aberdeen+City+AB21+0AF,+UK&ei=B7gzVZOZK9LTaIjlgcgB&ved=0CBUQ8gEoATAA&output=classic&dg=brw
@41 Enrique Massot
Apr 19th, 2015 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN recognises the UK as “administering power”, has de facto sovereignty and therefore legal jurisdiction over the territory.
Argentine domestic law cannot be applied where Argentina does not have sovereignty or legal jurisdiction, the UK does.
There is no LEGAL action Argentina can take of this kind, simply randomly seizing and holding British subjects in an attempt to force concessions from the UK, has been tried before and failed.
It will simply illicit a legal retaliation.
@51 Paulinacedron
No, the S. Atlantic is and always has been British territory, Argentina is a S. American country confined to S. America.
The “Mar Argentino” end 200 Nautical miles from your coast.
Although it does look like it is expanding, but the wrong way from your point of view
http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01455/SNF18FALKpos---250_1455541a.jpg
@60
Apr 19th, 2015 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Is and always has been?” -- The south Atlantic? You are a poor, delusional old Anglo. First you say the Mar Argentino ends 200 nautical miles, on the next breath you obviously forget to apply that same rule.
Anglos will be Anglos.
200 nautical miles from South Georgia you own nothing of the South Atlantic.
Get a grip on reality.
31 Clyde15 (#)
Apr 19th, 2015 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apr 18th, 2015 - 08:42 pm
Clyde, As no Troll is going to answer you, I will.
The case has been accepted by the Federal Judge of Río Grande, Tierra del Fuego. So presumably it will be heard in that court.
As I said in a post on another thread, trial “in absentia” is prohibited by our Constitution so unless the court can get extradition orders complied with by the UK, USA, EU and the FIG, there is no lawful way to try the case, unless CFK and her cronies manage to rewrite the Constitution and I don't think they have time.
@59
Apr 19th, 2015 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting that when asked a reasonable question you attempt to deflect with crass and infantile humor.
You clearly know the ICJ is your only practical choice - you could have just said so but you cannot bring yourself to admit it.
You also know, as does your government, that if you go to the ICJ you will lose
That will cause the edifice of the 'malvinas are argentine' will come crashing down.
With people in country in need of help and support one wanders how much as been wasted on signs plastered and money on propaganda around the country stating that the Malvinas are argentine.
Your response does you no credit or your (lack of)arguement.
Meanwhile drilling in the falklands continues
61 Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL (#)
Apr 19th, 2015 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“always has been?” -- The south Atlantic...you own nothing of the South Atlantic.” Unfortunately, the ICJ does not agree with your self-opinionated, unsupported claim. In fact the under international law the ICJ has made a ruling that is implicit of UK sovereignty. ”International Court of Justice (ICJ) ...based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,” p.74 The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine...By Roberto C. Laver
@64
Apr 19th, 2015 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? You are one crazy, mentally ill Anglo supremacists.
You do not own the South Atlantic, sorry for your completely false claim repeating it won't make it true.
Beyond the 200 nautical miles the surround the South Georgia Islands, the Sandwich Islands, and the eastern shores of the Faklands (western side being the middle of the distance between Falklands and Santa Cruz), YOU OWN NOT A SQUARE CENTIMETER OF THE SOUTH ATLANTIC.
No one does, it's international waters.
So please go to the ICJ and please elucidate to them how the UK owns the point at latitude 45S, 45W. Please, by all means, explain under what laws you own that area, just as an example.
I'll be waiting with bated breath.
It is so assuring that both glue sniffing mentally deranged la Campora trolls on this thread have studied both geography and international law. Too bad their biological procreators were not given a free helicopter ride in the 1970s...
Apr 19th, 2015 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just wishful thinking...
65 Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL (#)
Apr 19th, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is you who stated “you own nothing of the South Atlantic” what I stated was not a claim by the UK to international waters. I was simply pointing out that Argentine claims based on proximity are not correct. That the ICJ ruling is implicit support to UK territorial claims.
@61 Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL
Apr 19th, 2015 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh no Toby, no, no, no, noooo.
The Brits have claimed the “intervening maritime spaces” between S. Georgia/Sandwich Islands, the Falklands and British Antarctic Territory.
In all a vast, VAST Anglo controlled territory of land and sea, bigger that Argentina, right on your doorstep.
Speaking English you will be well placed to benefit from the business opportunities this will create (why should Chile have all the benefits).
However lose the “Speedy Gonzalez” accent if you don’t want to end up a gardener or flipping burgers.
63
Apr 19th, 2015 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh mercy me....boys Ah' got me ah' live one....
I quite agree....“My” Government if they went to the ICJ would lose....
...there you go you won that one....
....oh dear wait a minute...;-)))
@65
Apr 19th, 2015 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Beyond the 200 nautical miles the surround the South Georgia Islands, the Sandwich Islands, and the eastern shores of the Faklands (western side being the middle of the distance between Falklands and Santa Cruz), YOU OWN NOT A SQUARE CENTIMETER OF THE SOUTH ATLANTIC”
Check again Toby.
Try St helena, Tristan da Cunha, ascension island, inaccessible island etc etc
Start putting 200m radii around these too...quite a lot more square centimetres.
@67
Apr 19th, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I personally don't believe in proximity claims as long as their are people living there who have the right to choose.
Likewise, the crazy (and filthy racist) Anglo @68 making some sort of bizarre case that any country can claim “international waters” (he calls is “intervening maritime spaces”)... but if this makes him believe his old long limp member will get hard, more power to him.
He makes my case for why the Anglo must at least be BANNED for ever from even setting into Argentine soil, and all Anglo traces in Argentina effaced and destroyed à la ISIS. I know most people would agree with this plan, in fact almost all people would... and a few Anglos would also agree.
This encapsulates the average Anglo mentality and terrifying lack of even basic elementary school education.
http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-if-english-was-good-enough-for-jesus-christ-then-it-s-good-enough-for-texas-ma-ferguson-61161.jpg
Frightening people in their appalling ignorance.
@68
You medically crazy, sorry!
Pugol-H.........”the crazy (and filthy racist) Anglo“ with an ”old long limp member“ and ”medically crazy”
Apr 19th, 2015 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It appears Toby has your measure....
@70
Apr 19th, 2015 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uhmm... no. Sea Mounts do not qualify to claim a 200 nautical mile limit btw...
Read the rules again.
#71 brilliant idea
Apr 19th, 2015 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know they say that if you place a monkey in front of a computer keyboard... eventually the ape will type something brilliant.
Evacuation relocation centers for all “Argentine Anglos” should be set up in Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile and Bolivia. Once Argentina is vacated, the entire country should be fumigated thoroughly. This would be a tremendous boost to the South American continent.
Why anyone waste time arguing with that piece of shit Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL
Apr 19th, 2015 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0last time heard from him he was packing for his weeks vacation to some whore house in down town BA
71 Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL (#)
Apr 19th, 2015 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ISIS is an intolerant terrorist organization that destroys priceless historical artifacts and summarily executes it's victims in the most unusual and cruel manner. I for one am utterly apposed to such an organization and its supporters like you, and I will resist with every fiber of my being any and all such elements. You are the person who has expressed the terms “and filthy racists...people in their appalling ignorance” which are labels that clearly only fit your stated agenda.
@73
Apr 19th, 2015 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong!
St Helena, Tristan da Cunha and Ascension Island all have 200m EEZs in the South Atlantic
http://www.seaaroundus.org/eez/
Read the rules again!!,
@77
Apr 19th, 2015 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But they are not UK TERRITORY you fool? EEZ does not equal sovereign control. You still need to let ships and anyone pass!
But you can't have those sea mounts, I don't really care about them or the Falklands as a topic.
Just remember our ports our our ports and your ships can't come here, now or ever!
@76
Anglos aren't people.
ISIS is a British invention.
And all anglo elements from the Argentine mainland will be effaced.
@78
Apr 19th, 2015 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot to stamp your feet after your tantrum. ;)
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsryuikyku.gif
@71 Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL
Apr 19th, 2015 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Derrrr, Argentina claims “intervening maritime spaces”.
Sauce for the Goose in sauce for the Gander, as we say.
Good point @ 70 though, I forgot about “St helena, Tristan da Cunha, ascension island, inaccessible island”
So we can now colour most of the S. Atlantic “Pink”, as well as a big slice of the Antarctic.
“Large fries with that was it”.
@72 Voice
Didn’t take you long to crawl back out from under your inadequacies then.
Then all you could think of was to kiss Toby’s arse.
Who regards you as an Anglo, I have tried to explain about genetically differentiated subgroups formally known as Celts, but he’s not having a bar of it.
Rest assured he does not need your help, indeed you are more of a hindrance to him, he uses a lot of “big words” and “complicated phrases”.
Things that require a level of “understanding”.
Mr 5 watt bulb.
@74 Chicureo
Thanks to the internet, we now know that not to be true.
@78
Apr 19th, 2015 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are all British Overseas territories YOU FOOL...same as South Georgia, south Sandwich Islands and the Falklands.
So you were utterly wrong when you said..
”Beyond the 200 nautical miles the surround the South Georgia Islands, the Sandwich Islands, and the eastern shores of the Faklands (western side being the middle of the distance between Falklands and Santa Cruz), YOU OWN NOT A SQUARE CENTIMETER OF THE SOUTH ATLANTIC”
As for the rest of your rant....it's pathetic, grow up imbecile.
What Tantrum?
Apr 19th, 2015 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British own the Falklands and the other islands is a tantrum??
Banning filthy Anglos from our ports (our right to do so), is a tantrum?
Getting rid of all things related to an adversary of your country,within your country, is a tantrum?
Both are completely within logic and reason.
No tantrum, no stomping.
@82 Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL
Apr 19th, 2015 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And no common sense.
Why in such a vast, VAST area of land and sea, with good harbours and communication to home, would the New Anglo-Satanic Empire-Southern Hemisphere, need anything from Argentina?
A primitive backwater even in S. American terms.
#62 SIMON 68
Apr 19th, 2015 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for that.
#71
You still need to let ships and anyone pass!
Not according to your chum Paulc.
“ all Anglo traces in Argentina effaced and destroyed à la ISIS. I know most people would agree with this plan, in fact almost all people would.”..
So, you advocate ethnic cleansing of anyone and anything with an Anglo background. The bulldozers will be working overtime. Bang goes your railway system and your cattle trade which is based on British livestock. I presume anyone with a British surname will be offered a one-way helicopter ride.
You will have to give up football and polo as these are “tainted” with their British background. Also you will have to burn all books in English, forbid the speaking of English and ban the Internet in English.
At least I could agree with the latter. It would fill my heart with joy to think that YOU would never murder the English language again !!!
“Just remember our ports our our ports and your ships can't come here, now or ever!”
Have I missed something ? You are saying that NO British Flagged vessels may dock at ANY Argentine port....is this correct ? Maybe Simon can answer this one.
ISIS is a British invention.
Even for you that is a pig-ignorant statement not even worthy of a rebuke.
Anglos aren't people. Correct, they are a figment of your diseased imagination.
This encapsulates the average ARGENTINIAN TROLL mentality and terrifying lack of even basic elementary school education.
@83
Apr 19th, 2015 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly! so why are you bitching and moaning about your ships being unable to dock here? You need nothing from us, so the only conclusion left is that it prevents your long term goals of invading our territory and taking our land. Just as Anglos have ALWAYS done.
@81
Nope. What I said is perfectly legitimate, beyond those 200 miles, the UK can't claim even a peanut. Your own map indicated that!
What part of the word ”BEYOND (those 200 miles)“ do you fail to grasp.
Maybe that's the root of the ”Anglo problem“ the world has suffered under. You guys simply don't get the word ”beyond“, and as such you think any piece of land ”isn't beyond” yours.
@85 Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL
Apr 19th, 2015 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, you’re just too sharp, you have seen through the deception to the fiendish plan underneath.
Ok how about this, you keep Argentina and its 200 mile limit and we keep the rest.
That’s fair, considering you stole Argentina from the Indians in the first place.
Oh dear Stupid
Apr 19th, 2015 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You said
”Beyond the 200 nautical miles the surround the South Georgia Islands, the Sandwich Islands, and the eastern shores of the Faklands (western side being the middle of the distance between Falklands and Santa Cruz), YOU OWN NOT A SQUARE CENTIMETER OF THE SOUTH ATLANTIC”
St Helena is not in the 200 miles surrounding South Georgia
St Helena is not in the 200 miles surrounding the south Sandwich islands
st Helena is not in the 200 miles surrounding the Falklands.
But we claim St Helena and its EEZ
Ditto Tristan da Cunha
Ditto Ascention Island
So what you said was wrong, there are great swathes of the South Atlantic we claim, beyond that covered by your original rant.
UK accuses Argentina of bullying
Apr 19th, 2015 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you argy bloggers on here, [well some of you ]
are bullies in trying to enforce your indoctrination on the honest ones..lol
Poor Toby outwitted by an Anglo, proven wrong by an Anglo, made to look a fool by an Anglo.
Apr 19th, 2015 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on Toby
prove St Helena and its EEZ isnt owned by Britain
Prove Tristan da Cunha and it's EEZ isnt owned by Britian
Prove Ascension Island and it's EEZ isn't owned by Britain
Or admit that your statement
”Beyond the 200 nautical miles the surround the South Georgia Islands, the Sandwich Islands, and the eastern shores of the Faklands (western side being the middle of the distance between Falklands and Santa Cruz), YOU OWN NOT A SQUARE CENTIMETER OF THE SOUTH ATLANTIC”
Is utterly false...and you have been outwitted by an Anglo.
two flying trucks (the Chinooks) terrify you one might be bravo November helped to kick you out the last time the other might be the frankenchinook made out of half a captured argentine chinook.
Apr 19th, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 050 Jo Bloggs
Apr 19th, 2015 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, there you are old friend, Please feel free to jump right on in.
The water is safe as the Trolls aren't biting like they usually do.
Apart from Tobi of course.
That boy will go far don't you think? He is not afraid to humiliate himself on a public forum, to hell with the truth and common sense!! Just pick a point of view and stick with it!!!
One day, he might surprise us all y'know? I doubt it, but one day he just might.
82 Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL
Apr 19th, 2015 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Banning ..Anglos from our ports (our right to do so),” No its not, as it is clearly in breach of UN international law again, but that is of no surprise.
UNCLOS, Article 24, Duties of a Coastal state, 1.The coastal state shall not.. (b) discriminate in form or in fact against the ships of any state or against ships carrying cargoes to, from or on behalf of any state.
British Foreign Secretary William Hague responded to statements made in South America about the Falkland Islands. ...“We made clear that the decision to close ports to ships flying the Falklands flag has no legal basis, and that it would be unacceptable and unbecoming for any Latin American democracy to collaborate in Argentina’s attempts to economically blockade the Falkland Islands. ...Such actions are inconsistent with the principles of the United Nations Charter and the rights of the Falkland Islands people to trade openly and without hindrance. ...Whilst we do not accept that the decision to refuse entry to vessels flying the Falklands flag has any basis in international law, our priority has been to ensure that the trade and commercial links between the Falklands and South America are not compromised by this political declaration. ” Jan 10, 2012 http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/chil
So if the British where seriously impacted by Argentine illegal and childish practices, they certainly have option of dragging your sorry asses before the tribunal and suing for damages.
Guys
Apr 19th, 2015 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't break Nostrils. He's my tram-ride entertainment.
You have to understand! According to his Argentinean education, he makes perfect sense.
@ 62 Simon68
Apr 20th, 2015 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your comment.
92
Apr 20th, 2015 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Suing Argentina for suing companies operating in the Malvinas? What a novelty.
Also, could you remind us the number of the Criminal Code that makes being childish a crime?
But seriously, just as real estate people say: Location, location, location is what counts.
Attrition will take some time but will work in the end. Argentina has claimed the Malvinas for years and will continue to use any available means to get the Brits out of there--peacefully.
It will be increasingly expensive for Britain to keep the islands in face of growing world opposition and continued long-term Argentine action in all fields. And the moment to give up the islands will eventually come for the old imperial powerhouse.
Insulting postings and wishing that the seven plagues hit Argentina won't change a thing. Be realistic now to avoid disappointment later.
My preference, when transfer of sovereignty is done, would be to grant the islanders reasonable options to stay and keep goods and property as Argentine subjects.
Enrique
Apr 20th, 2015 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain will never (NEVER) hand over sovereignty to Argentina against the wishes of the islanders.
You are deluded that there is growing “world opposition”, when asked in 2008 the UNGA voted 60 to 40 in the UKs favour and many of the 40 were Latin states.
There are many reasons Britain won't give the islands to Argentina, primarily the islanders wishes but also because Argentina has no historic, moral, legal or other just claim to them.
The “Malvinas” is a tool used by your government to stir up a jingoistic, nationalistic fervour in the less intelligent of the Argentine people. To invent a pretend enemy that the “ignorant masses” can unite against. It seems to work for you.
96MM
Apr 20th, 2015 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0United behind a 'National Hate'
@95
Apr 20th, 2015 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0It should surely be obvious by now, that Argentina doesn't really want the islands, at all, it wants the dispute. And the UK, by declining to feed the troll and give it one, is pushing Argentina into ever decreasing circles of irrationality which ensure that the islands will never be Argentine. The so-called strategy of attrition will never work, quite simply because there is no attrition worth mentioning, and this will remain so as long as nobody outside Argentina has the least intention of jeopardizing friendly relations with the UK in order to support Argentina's neurosis.
It's quite a sweet sweet deal for the Peronists, and the only ones unhappy with it all are the Malvinista faithful suckered into believing it and paying for it.
What is this “increasing cost” for the UK?
Apr 20th, 2015 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've never been able to find why it is costing the UK more money now other than normal cost of living and inflationary increases.
Technically it would be cheaper to shoot retirees after they finishing working to lessen their cost to the state and free up their accumulated capital for their descendants.
However a civilised country doesn't do this. It also doesn't cut off some citizens simply because they may cost money.
Some states of Australia draw more tax dollars than they create. Doesn't mean we get rid of Tasmania. It is a cost of being a country.
So sorry Enrique, your logic while valid to someone with an Argentinean education, is farcical when examined by anyone else.
“...gant the islanders reasonable options to stay and keep goods and property as Argentine subjects.”
Exactly as subjects. Not citizens.
Subjected!
After nearly 80 years (length of your claim) you would think some of your predictions would have happened. But you can't dare ask yourself why they haven't.
@95:
Apr 20th, 2015 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Suing Argentina for suing companies operating in the Malvinas? What a novelty.”
No, suing Argentina for suing companies operating *legally* in another nation's territory, the British Falklands.
“Argentina has claimed the Malvinas for years and will continue to use any available means to get the Brits out of there--peacefully.”
Or more accurately, with lies, bullying and avoiding the only appropriate forum by any means necessary.
“It will be increasingly expensive for Britain to keep the islands in face of ... continued long-term Argentine action in all fields.”
So rather than good-faith negotiation or ICJ arbitration, you'd prefer to harrass, bully and lie? At last, someone who's honest about Argentina's intentions.
“And the moment to give up the islands will eventually come for the old imperial powerhouse.”
And on that day, the Falklands will be independent, and will associate with whomever they please. I doubt they'll be inclined to allow the bully Argentina any favours.
“My preference, when transfer of sovereignty is done...”
In other words, never.
“...would be to grant the islanders reasonable options to stay and keep goods and property as Argentine subjects.”
Yes. Or you could do the right thing now, acknowledge and withdraw the Malvinas Lie, and grant the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands freedom from harrassment, and the freedom to stay as *citizens* of the legitimate holders of sovereignty as their self-determination vote showed was their wish.
@95
Apr 20th, 2015 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“My preference, when transfer of sovereignty is done, would be to grant the islanders reasonable options to stay and keep goods and property as Argentine subjects.”
Isn't that gracious, though?
For a further illustration of why the Falklands will never be Argentine, look no further.
101. That foolish statement comes from the belief that all loony lefties think that the Gov't owns everything.
Apr 20th, 2015 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Odumbo had a quote “ you didn't build that”
It is part of their diseased thinking right down to their DNA.
84 Clyde15 (#)
Apr 20th, 2015 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apr 19th, 2015 - 06:00 pm
...“You are saying that NO British Flagged vessels may dock at ANY Argentine port....is this correct ? Maybe Simon can answer this one...”
As an example of how stupid Tobias is on this subject, 5 out of the 7 Liquid Gas tankers that are transporting the badly needed gas to our ports are ....... British flagged!!!!!
@95. What's this 'Criminal Code'? We make our own laws. You're guilty. Criminally childish. And stupid. And bigoted. And mendacious.
Apr 20th, 2015 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't Malvinas in Cordoba? You can have that. We'll be bombing it next week!
The Falkland Islands cost Britain nothing except for the defence commitment. The naval forces have to be somewhere and also have to be paid. The air force has to be somewhere and also has to be paid. The ground forces have to be somewhere and have to be paid. And the FALKLAND ISLANDS are an excellent training ground where British forces can practice firing missiles, sinking argie boats, firing missiles, shooting down argie aircraft, firing missiles and dropping bombs to dismember argies.
My preference, when the moment of truth comes, is to blow argieland off the face of the planet bit by bit. Starting in the north. Driving the scum south. Until they have to jump off into the Southern Ocean and drown/freeze.
@103
Apr 20th, 2015 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, talk about ironic.
95 Enrique Massot
Apr 20th, 2015 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Suing Argentina for suing companies operating in the Malvinas? I didn't say that you dimwit. What I stated was the UK could sue Argentina for any losses as the result of her illegal blockade, which is a breach of UN international law. Specifically, the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea(UNCLOS), Article 24, Duties of a Coastal state, 1.The coastal state shall not.. (b) discriminate in form or in fact against the ships of any state or against ships carrying cargoes to, from or on behalf of any state.
#106
Apr 20th, 2015 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think there is any legal bar to Argentina (or any other country) blocking access to its ports. UNCLOS only means that Argentina can't block the innocent passage of foreign ships through its territorial waters, it can however block passage through internal waters and presumably access to ports. I'm no lawyer so could very well be wrong though.
#95
“My preference, when transfer of sovereignty is done, would be to grant the islanders reasonable options to stay and keep goods and property as Argentine subjects.” - You and your government are utterly contemptible, you should be ashamed of yourself for treating a peaceful population the way you do with these kind of threats.
Argentina is doing the right move….. The UK is a decadent country (with little prestige in Europe; and left out of the important meetings as has being the case in the last meetings between Putin and Merkel and Hollande),…. So forcing the speed of the decadence is the right move to do ….. You can bet that France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Rusia, etc…. are happy with the situation.
Apr 20th, 2015 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0107 inthegutter
Apr 20th, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”I don't think there is any legal bar to Argentina (or any other country) blocking access to its ports....“ There is no such qualifying clause specifying as to territorial waters or internal waters. Based on how these are usually interpreted, it would mean it's applicable to both, this is confirmed by a 'plain English' reading of the article.
”The coastal state shall not.. (b)discriminate in form or in fact against the ships of any state or against ships carrying cargoes to, from or on behalf of any state.”
Well,
Apr 20th, 2015 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the best and simplest way to settle this little argument,
is for Argentina to just refuse to let British or Falklands flagged ships from her ports,
and then see what happens next==next..lol
110 Briton:
Apr 20th, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina should do nothing..... Just wait..... and look how UK fall.
Uk is in elections mode.
- is the EU country with biggest military budget.
- is the country with more warmongers.
- is the country with more people living in the past as the present is awful.
- at present the situation is horrendous: the poverty and the misery life conditions that is suffering the British population is outrageous.
Make the sum…. And you will find why the UK maintains alive this ridiculous colonial situation.
#107
Apr 20th, 2015 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Again, no lawyer, but the wikipedia description of UNCLOS (III) suggests a differentiation between internal and territorial waters. Either way though I don't think this forces any country to accept goods from another country even if just in transit.
#111
Another ill-informed pathetic anglophobe whose statements mean nothing. In other news the UK's economy continues to grow faster than the rest of Europe.
110 Briton:
Apr 20th, 2015 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina should do nothing..... Just wait..... and look how UK fall.
[Britain has been around for over 2,000 years,]
[Argentina 200 years,, one thinks it will be Argentina that will fail,]
Uk is in elections mode.[ Very clever of you,,,,]
- is the EU country with biggest military budget.[ and the sixth wealthiest nation, and you are poor and bankrupt,]
- is the country with more warmongers.[ and CFK is not one ]
- is the country with more people living in the past as the present is awful.
[ true we do have and elder population that was born before me, and that was in the past ]
- at present the situation is horrendous: the poverty and the misery life conditions that is suffering the British population is outrageous.
[ yes, apparently according to you millions are starving, apparently millions more are heading to Argentina the land of paradise,]
Make the sum…. And you will find why the UK maintains alive this ridiculous colonial situation.
Name me one colony please,
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107 inthegutter
Apr 20th, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”I don't think there is any legal bar to Argentina (or any other country) blocking access to its ports....” I followed up on your assertion, in which you are in fact correct. As there is exclusive sovereignty over internal waters to wit:
Legal Status of Internal Waters
§ Full territorial sovereignty of the coastal State
§ No right of innocent passagefor foreign ships Exception: Article 8, para.2
§ Foreign ships must acquire prior consent of the coastal State before its entry into internal waters of that coastal State.
But there is a caveat thus:
Theory and Practice
§ Aramco arbitration(1958)
“According to a great principle of public international law, the ports of every State must be open to foreign vessels and can only be closed when the vital
interests of the State so require.” (not much support) States have the right to nominate ports used for international trade(treaty).
§ States may close its international ports to protect its vital interests such as security, public order and the prevention of pollution, and political displeasure
(customary international law).
http://qr.jur.lu.se/quickplace/jasn01/Main.nsf/0/978CD440287F1DDAC12577900036A9B4/$file/LOS%20-%20Internal%20Waters%20CK.pdf
Briton 113:
Apr 20th, 2015 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can wait ........ :)
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http://www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/teenage-pregnancy
Teenage birth is often associated with poverty and social issues: such as alcohol and drugs abuse.
The UK has the highest percentage of teenage pregnancies in Western Europe
The UK has the highest teenage birth and abortion rates in Western Europe(1,2). Rates of teenage births are five times those in the Netherlands, double those in France and more than twice those in Germany
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Your empire your priorities… right?.
#114
Apr 20th, 2015 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not convinced. UNCLOS is the codification of maritime law superseding anything established before and I don't see any prohibition in there. Furthermore, if it were illegal why hasn't there been a firmer objection by HMG or FIG. I think we need an expert in international maritime law.
#115
Yep, we have a problem with teenage pregnancy, but it seems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_teenage_pregnancy) Argentina has a much bigger problem (more than twice as big as the UK). Ignorant racist.
116:
Apr 20th, 2015 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No..... You have a problema with teenage pregnancy..... and with many, many otres issues.... In fact, socially speaking, UK resemblance a third world country... that is dreaming in his past.
Argentina can wait ..... :)
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No one seems upset that in modern Britain, old people are freezing to death as hidden taxes make fuel more expensive
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/elder/9959856/Its-the-cold-not-global-warming-that-we-should-be-worried-about.html
“People don't ignore starving people, so why should we ignore cold people? ... will claim 30,000 lives, making it one of the biggest killers in the country. ... some 250,000 Brits have died from the cold.”
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Your empire your priorities… right?.
@108
Apr 20th, 2015 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK is a decadent country .....”
You might recall that's also what the junta thought.
'My preference, when transfer of sovereignty is done'
Apr 20th, 2015 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, you recognise they're under British sovereignty. Good. But the transfer, I'm pleased to disappoint you, will never happen.
118:
Apr 20th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can wait.... :)
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-25198/NHS-corridors-shame.html
The state of the NHS exposes hospitals still plagued by Third World conditions
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But,…. But,…. “A man,…. We have an Empire….we won the WAR ... Don´t we?.”
:))
116 inthegutter
Apr 20th, 2015 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Something is getting misinterpreted here, I have just stated that you are correct and I've shown the relevant law as to why; unless of course you enjoy fighting with your own toe-nails.
118:
Apr 20th, 2015 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can wait.... :)
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-25198/NHS-corridors-shame.html
The state of the NHS exposes hospitals still plagued by Third World conditions
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But,…. But,…. “A man,…. We have an Empire….we won the WAR ... Don´t we?.”
:))
#121
Apr 20th, 2015 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apologies, my brain is broken tonight obviously.
This new troll isn't helping.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2617938/Revealed-How-parts-Britain-poorer-POLAND-families-Wales-Cornwall-Europes-worst-off.html
Apr 20th, 2015 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Revealed: How parts of Britain are now poorer than POLAND with families in Wales and Cornwall among Europe's worst off
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But,…. But,…. “A man,…. We have an Empire….we won the WAR ... Don´t we?.”
:))
@122
Apr 20th, 2015 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, we don't have an Empire any more. News still doesn't seem to have reached Argentina, but that's not how things are done these days. The world moved on a bit after, oh 1945 or so, though the smart money in the UK had cottoned on long before that.
I know it's hard for you, but i really would recommend you try to catch up. I can understand what a comfort it must ge tracking down pieces of bad news about the UK on the Internet, but one day you are going to have to confront the unfortunate truth that decades of incompetent, corrupt governments have left you impotent and delusional.
Your priorities:
Apr 20th, 2015 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- is the EU country with biggest military budget.
- is the country with more warmongers.
- is the country with more people living in the past as the present is awful.
- at present the situation is horrendous: the poverty and the misery life conditions that is suffering the British population is outrageous.
Make the sum…. And you will find why the UK maintain alive this ridiculous colonial situation.
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http://money.aol.co.uk/2013/11/28/uk-state-pension-is-lowest-in-europe/
It's official: the British state pension at a maximum £110.15 a week is the most miserable in Europe. Compared to average income, even Hungary and Slovenia better the pension benefits 12.3m British pensioners receive, according to a new OECD report.
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But,…. But,…. “A man,…. We have an Empire….we won the WAR ... Don´t we?.”
:))
@126
Apr 20th, 2015 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Thousands of starving British pensioners support Argentina's legitimate rights to the Falklands”, claimed today Argentine ambassador Alicia Castro, waving a sausage, “yet still those bastards laugh at us!”
127:
Apr 20th, 2015 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone has different priorities:
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Dying of the cold: a very British disease
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/03/dying-of-the-cold-a-very-british-disease/
“The Norwegians can joke about this because there, people don't really die of the cold. In Britain, we do of cold and poverty.”Every winter in the UK, 25,000-30,000 people die in fuel poverty”.
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But,…. But,…. “A man,…. We have an Empire….we won the WAR ... Don´t we?.”
:))
126 Virus - I realise you have never heard of comparing costs of living and what other benefits persioners get in other European countries? No - its behond you as all you can do is trawl for juicy “reports” - about a few - and then pretend that is the majority.
Apr 20th, 2015 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ever been to UK have you recently? I go each year - and travel around and have many friends all over there. Reality of the great majority is somewhat different to what you try to portray! yes a few fell threw the net- some accidentally not their fault- others - well every nation has its share of idle wasters who expect the state to provide them very everything for ever.
Colonial situation - where? the Islands got out of that situation about 20 years ago.
But there is a large neighbour across the sea who is determined to impose old fashioned 19th century Colonial Rule over us- lucky they will never get a chance to.
@128
Apr 20th, 2015 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In a new escalation of Argetina's Sausage War, Foreign Minter Hector Timerman today promised to personally deliver a sausage to every, starving, freezing household in the United Kingdom that supports Argentina's legitimate rights to the Malvinas and Georgia del Sur, plus a further sandwich to everybody that supports the claim to the South Sandwich islands.
”Of course they“ll have to wait until after our own election”, said Timerman “but as the world knows, our word is our bond”.
Bahahahahahahahahaha
Apr 20th, 2015 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After all those wonderful facts by Viriato1
THE FALKLANDS ARE STILL BRITISH.
Why don't they want to be Argentienan. Why oh why?
Because for all the UK's problems, Argentina's are WORSE.
On every standard of living measure, Argentina ranks worse than the UK.
I must admit I do love it when the new Argentinean posters on here make the argument for me.
So keep waiting.
127:
Apr 20th, 2015 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone has different priorities:
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Dying of the cold: a very British disease
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/03/dying-of-the-cold-a-very-british-disease/
“The Norwegians can joke about this because there, people don't really die of the cold. In Britain, we do of cold and poverty.”Every winter in the UK, 25,000-30,000 people die in fuel poverty”.
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But,…. But,…. “A man,…. We have an Empire….we won the WAR ... Don´t we?.”
:))
Sausage strategy bound to succeed, says UK academic
Apr 20th, 2015 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Writing in today's's Guardian, British legislator and right hand man to the Queen Sir Richrd Gott said “Argentina's latest sausag offensive only goes to show the legitimacy of their cause, and if there's one thing these Argies know, it's how to use a sausage for political ends. The UK doesn't stand a chance and its high time it just gave in. Just ask Simon Jenkins”
Skip:
Apr 20th, 2015 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No,.. no,…. No,…. You didn´t understand me...... Argentina can wait.
I encourage you to follow your politics…. You are making a terrible good job.
Meanwhile the rest of Europe (and the World) is laughing of you.
A country that cannot afford to give a humanitarian and dignified life, in their last days. to their oldies but instead prefer to play the Rule Britannia game is pathetic at the most. (and the World know it)
But,..... I encourage you to follow...... Get it?
134 sounds a lot like “Paul Cedron”,
Apr 20th, 2015 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- get it??
Nah sounds more like Stevie.
Apr 20th, 2015 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah..... sounds funny.
Apr 20th, 2015 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:))
I'm not British.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0And yes Argentina can wait..... and wait..... and wait..... and wait..... and wait..... and wait..... and wait..... and wait..... and wait..... and wait..... and wait..... and wait.....
You've been waiting for 80 years.
How will another 80 suit?
@134
Apr 21st, 2015 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you saying that none of the circumstances you have highlighted have EVER occurred in Argentina?
After all with the natural resources at your disposal and well rung economy of your country should correspond to about 2/3rds of the UK economy. So instead why does in only corresspond to just 1/6th the size of the UK ecomony? Surely that would mean you, like the UK have your own similar problems too?
I don't dispute the UK has got big problems - it has - and on the 7th May, in a free and fair way the population of our country can make that choice to elect a government that will give the UK a better deal
Have argentines never died when its got too cold or too hot?
Most pensioners in the UK will have worked for a living, meaning that they will have an occupational pension which is topped up by the state pension.
If you are saying its a money thing - defending the falklands is is something like 0.5% of the defence budget - a really brilliant way to save the money would be for Argentina to renounce its claim and respect the islanders' right to self determination.
@134
Apr 21st, 2015 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's notbe too hard on the poor chap. When you're lacing achievement and even rational argument in support of you ambitions, you don't have much option but to scrape the barrel for whatever you can find, irrelevant though it may be.
Moderating influence.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually if Argentina had Australia's standard of living then its economy would be larger than the UK's.
It once had a higher standard of living than Australia.
#126
Apr 21st, 2015 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0How is it that my state pension is £156.17.
So.Mr Doppelganger Troll, how does this compare with Argentina ?
126 Viriato1 (#)
Apr 21st, 2015 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apr 20th, 2015 - 09:21 pm
I have friends who are receiving the equivalent of £275 A MONTH as their state pension...... in ARGENTINA!!!! So that makes your calculation of £110.15 A WEEK a bloody fortune. That is about what I get from my occupational pension right here in the Province of Neuquén!!!!!!!
111 Viriato1
Apr 21st, 2015 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q. How did they advertise surplus W. W. II Italian rifles for sale? A. “Never fired, and only dropped once.”
Q. What's an innuendo? A. An Italian suppository.
Q: Why wasn't Jesus born in Italy? A: He couldn't find 3 wise men or a virgin.
Q: Why don't Italians eat fleas? A: They can't get their little legs apart.
Q: How do you brainwash an Italian? A: Give him an enema.
Q: What's the difference between a straight Italian and a gay Italian? A: About 4 beers!
@ 132 Viiristo
Apr 21st, 2015 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My wife and I are elderly pensioners in the UK.
1.) We receive GBP200.00 (approx USD310.00) annually from the state to assist us with cost of fuel in order to keep warm in winter.
2.) Also, we both receive STATE pensions totalling in excess of GBP14500(USD22000) annually and we are not untypical of our peers.
3) In addition to the above we enjoy free local transport throughout England and Wales with our bus passes. We hardly ever use our car as this “perk” is very useful
So I would say that the statistics you present are either untrue or very out of date.
Please try better!
Viriato1 Eleven million Argentines, 26.9% of the population live in poverty conditions
Apr 21st, 2015 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/02/eleven-million-argentines-26.9-of-the-population-live-in-poverty-conditions
Argentina's international reserves at a six year record low, and sliding ….
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/02/eleven-million-argentines-26.9-of-the-population-live-in-poverty-conditions
Some 60% of Argentine children in urban areas suffer deficit of basic rights
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/02/eleven-million-argentines-26.9-of-the-population-live-in-poverty-conditions
Over a third of Argentine population in poverty conditions says food and nutrition report
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/02/eleven-million-argentines-26.9-of-the-population-live-in-poverty-conditions
Argentina’s trade surplus shrank 38% in April as imports soar 32%
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/02/eleven-million-argentines-26.9-of-the-population-live-in-poverty-conditions
Argentine consumers expect Inflation in the next twelve months to average 31.3%
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/02/eleven-million-argentines-26.9-of-the-population-live-in-poverty-conditions
Argentina's central bank is currently losing international reserves at an average of 47,5 million dollars per day or 8 million per hour,
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/02/eleven-million-argentines-26.9-of-the-population-live-in-poverty-conditions
Wheat shortage in Argentina has seen bread prices skyrocket; Buenos Aires ton price is double Chicago's
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/02/eleven-million-argentines-26.9-of-the-population-live-in-poverty-conditions
Argentine central bank has lost 17% of reserves since the ‘dollar clamp’
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/02/eleven-million-argentines-26.9-of-the-population-live-in-poverty-conditions
What a lovely Queen's Birthday parade on Victory Green just now. Nice and sunny, big turn out, superb band, new Commander of British Forces, 21 gun salute and a cracking flypast.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Happy Birthday Your Majesty.
Irresponsible people just can't act responsibly. Everybody knows that.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. F. Secretary you are wasting your time!
Philippe
So here is Argentina in clear violation of a charter it has promised to comply with, this should give fellow signees a clear indication of how absolutely untrustworthy is.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OAS Charter thus: Part One Chapter II, Article 3 : e) ..and has the duty to abstain from intervening in the affairs of another State. ...
Chapter IV FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF STATES; Article 11 Article 13 The political existence of the State is independent of recognition by other States. Even before being recognized, the State has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its preservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate concerning its interests, to administer its services, and to determine the jurisdiction and competence of its courts. The exercise of these rights is limited only by the exercise of the rights of other States in accordance with international law.
Article 19; No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultural elements.
Article 20; No State may use or encourage the use of coercive measures of an economic or political character in order to force the sovereign will of another State and obtain from it advantages of any kind.
#146
Apr 21st, 2015 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you confusing him with FACTS ?
#126
Vibrato
We have an Empire. No we don't.
we won the WAR . Correct, we stuffed Argentina good and proper.
Any other stupid remarks ??
Where is Argenchina in the list of the most powerful passports that do not require visas?
Apr 21st, 2015 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Visa free countries list:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11552784/The-worlds-most-powerful-passports.html
Finland / Germany / Sweden / United Kingdom / USA are joint top with 174 countries to visit WITHOUT needing a Visa.
@ 36 Brazil with 146 countries
@ 46 Colombia with 66 countries
Bottom of the list is Afghanistan with 28.”
Where are the rest of the Lovey-Dovey SA countries? Nowhere to be seen.
I was surprised at the omission of Chile.
Viriato1,
Apr 21st, 2015 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0still did not answer once of his own questions,
he rattles on abt teenage pregnancies,
what has all that to do with Argentina bullying the little guy,
it does not, you argies have not a clue to what your government is doing in your name,
total disgrace.
Viriato
Apr 21st, 2015 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How some of your neighbours hold you in esteem.
In a train there were an old lady, a very pretty young woman, an Argentine man and a Brazilian man.
The train entered a very dark tunnel. A kiss was heard and after that the sound of a slap.
The old lady thought:
- I am proud of this young woman. One of the two youngsters kissed her and she slapped him hard.
The young woman thought:
- One of the two guys tried to kiss me, but ended up kissing the old lady and got slapped.
The Argentine thought:
- What bad luck! The Brazilian kissed the girl, and the one that got slapped was me.
The Brazilian:
- Ha ha, great! I kissed the back of my hand and slapped the face of the Argentine.
153
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Got some new jokes Terry....? Only, you have used all these before on other forums...
Terry Hill of Sao Paulo Brazil...
@141
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the info.
Further evidence of a country operating well below its potential
Voice, you're so creepy. All the Sistahs are very strange creatures, grasping at having to know who the posters are, how much money they have, what kind of upbringing they had, education level etc etc etc.
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a sickness.
You need mental help.
I find it amusing....Terry fighting the British good fight.....from Brazil....
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing to know about you really...
You have a 30 year mortgage...so no money...
You are a realtor ...so no education...
...who would really want to know you...?
A guttersnipe with delusions of grandeur...
...did I get anything wrong...?
@ Voicey
Apr 24th, 2015 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A guttersnipe with delusions of grandeur”
Hilarious, absolutely hilarious coming from you.
Och aye the noo!!!
BAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!
157. That post is exactly what I am talking about.
Apr 24th, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have a sickness.
How does whatever I am where I live or what I do have any bearing on my delightful posts or your very sad life?
It is your bitterness and loneliness that makes you so envious.
My guess is you've reached an age where you know you'll never amount to anything and you're leaving only sadness and destroyed relationships as your legacy.
Sorry Sistah you got lots wrong.
I'll give you a clue you don't have one accurate statement in the whole post.
unless Troy is in Brazil and I have no idea and couldn't care less
:)
157 wee voice of the loch
Apr 24th, 2015 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not saying that YB is a realtor, not that it matters, but...
FYI
Being a Real Estate agent in NA is a very respectable business, with the potential to earn big $$$, esp. if you represent a large condo developer or commercial realty firm.
Many realtors have very successful, wealthy, and prominent clients - they promote at very prestigious events with celebrities and urban developers.
You are preoccupied with your own outdated local prejudices and your own low position in the British Class System.
You must be one frustrated bitter little man.
If you work hard, and smart as a realtor, you can make an excellent living and an enjoyable life - well, perhaps NOT for you, it involves meeting people and getting along with them, without copping an attitude.
Perhaps you are just relating to the deep feelings of inadequacy and resentment you felt whilst dealing with the 'rather snooty' local agent who pocketed a good commission from you, when he sold you that damp cheap bedsit for you and your mum to share...
So much for your own prejudices... or should I say, yours and “Stevie's”, as he is rattling on about exactly the same thing on another thread..., mortgages... consumer loans... credit... none of which he understands or is eligible for - sorta like you.
Enjoy... you miserable old curmudgeon
160
Apr 25th, 2015 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hit a nerve...what?...are you a salesman too....
This is not the vintage car club...WTF are you doing on here...it's not like you are a British tax payer...what have the Falklands got to do with you...
You just wannabe...
You so badly want to be British, but it will never happen, your nationality is Canadian with your nose firmly stuck to the UK window on the outside looking in..
...and when it isn't ....it's stuck up some posters arse....
..desperately in need of friends...even if they are only virtual...
..just like your school days eh!....remember....
161 Loch Low-man
Apr 25th, 2015 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle -struck a nerve with you, I'd say!!
Ah ha ha ha ha ha.... !!! :-)
How's mum doing, changing her corn plasters tonight???
Sorry, my wee friend - it's not up to you who's British and who ain't -God help us... and it's not up to you who comments on what... ha ha ha ... too... bad...
Oooo... should be a travel show on the telly tonight, “ look Mum, the Isle of Wight!”
162
Apr 25th, 2015 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have fixation with posters Mothers....? What kind of a PERVERT are you...?
Or is it something missing from your childhood...I know you were bullied...
...but there is obviously something else....spit it out....
Something with Mothers...?
What did you do...?
163 wee voice of the loch
Apr 25th, 2015 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...what kind of a pervert are YOU.”... wee man?
“Norman... Norman.... where are you? Norman.... .... ??”
Mum's calling you... run along now... !
:-D
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