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Argentine opposition gets most votes in primaries of two main electoral districts
Argentine opposition parties came ahead in the regional primaries for governors held on Sunday in two important electoral districts, Santa Fe and Mendoza. Argentina is holding general elections next October but the law makes mandatory the open, simultaneous and mandatory primaries, PASO, which also help to give an idea of the electoral map and political feeling of public opinion. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesCan someone explain what these primaries are for?
Apr 21st, 2015 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do they need them?
As far a I can tell its to filter out the hundreds of people who run for office.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The K-swine and perronist dogs will have to explain how the results of this election really don't signify anything.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's just smoke up Macri's arse.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0TMBOA and her thugs will make sure the country votes the “right” way. Bribery, violence, whatever it takes UNLESS they want him to win!
Macri would be on a hiding to nothing and the short termism of the argies would be the end of him when he can't repair 10 years of the 'won decade' in six months of austerity.
Won decade. Winners. Heee-heee-hee.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hence forth rotting roadkillians when spoken of in economic terms shall be referred to as winners. Lol.
Presumably Fernandez will claim the Mendoza result was a “technical tie” as well.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 01. skippy
Apr 21st, 2015 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and what do YOU think these primaries are for?
try to think, for a change...
still waiting...
rest of the twats
suddenly we have a bunch of experts in argentinian politics right here in the 4th class site,
experts who do not speak a word of spanish, who have never been here in their fucking life and who do not understand a shite.
funny.
In normal countries primaries are used to whittle down the number of candidates seeking election. What happens in Barkingtina is anyone's guess.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 07 Pablo petite Voice
Apr 21st, 2015 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha, ask an Argie about how his government works, and you get an uncomfortable avoidance, and snorts of derision, to cover up his lack of knowledge.
Either you haven't a clue, or you know you'll look foolish explaining why the people are voting to have the Peronists out.
Waiting for Pablo's 'Commentary of Denial' throughout this election...
Yeah well kind of Pyrrhic victories. A lot of dignity less monkeys seem to populating Mendoza fearful of losing the little crumbs that the government throws at them.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 040% of Mendoza voted Ks or Neo K. And this pattern will reproduce itself in other un productive parts in the country like GBA and the Northern and Patagonian provinces.
Macri has a head of him to decide a great gamble and choose between going on a all non peronist front or ally at last moment with Massa.
This is the outmost Argentine politics at its best and the roller coaster of ascendants and come backs will not stop after August
The real question is whether, or not, any of this makes any difference. If another party does take control of government, will anything change, or will it be the same corruption, thievery, payoffs to supporters, and general stifling of the economy by tax, regulation and inflation caused uncontrolled borrowing --- only under new management?
Apr 21st, 2015 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#4
Apr 21st, 2015 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#4 ChrisR writes: ”TMBOA (which means Cristina Fernández de Kirchner I assume) and her thugs will make sure the country votes the “right” way. Bribery, violence, whatever it takes...”
Thugs? You do yourself a disservice by so leisurely accusing a government that may have errors but cannot be accused of being violent. I challenge you to come up with any--and I say any--serious source speaking about state violence in Argentina in the last decade. Nobody has seriously questioned election results, and there have been several large cacerolazos, as well as the 400,000-strong demonstration for Alberto Nisman on Feb. 18. All without a single tear gas canister flying around or any other police violence as it was customary in Argentina until 2003.
If you want to question the Argentine government or any political party by all means do so--Argentina does care about democracy. Just show some responsibility and don't resort to unsupported allegations.
Enrique you've been sucking Canada's tits for milk so long you have no idea what happens in Argentina. That fat fucking heroine addict Max uses his thugs with bats when protests can be beaten back. I've seen it and the La Campora lab freaks.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sit in the comforts of another country like a roach go home you fucking hypocrite. You are nothing up in Canada.
@ 12 Kiki Mashed potato head
Apr 21st, 2015 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I refer you to @ 13, UNLESS Maximmus Prattus, the coke headed offspring is NOT the son of Cyclops as some in Argentina claim.
It would not surprise me given that Cyclops was fucking his secretary for years and TMBOA had her 'own back', it couldn't be Gollum, could it?
Ha, ha, ha.
@10
Apr 21st, 2015 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your insight.
@12
FYI, I copied your images with an eye to making some anti Massot polemic art to provide to your opponents if you ever decide to insert yourself in the Canadian government again. You are, after all, a “Public Figure.” ;)
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@12
Apr 21st, 2015 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enrique, peronism is equal to fascism. It can be a “light” version of it but it still is a fascist political movement.
As regards violent attitudes of CFK I can make a large list of them: the organization of “piquetes” to force companies to stop their activities, make fun of citizens in offical speeches, acuse innocent citizens in official spreeches, try to govenr the country by decrets instead of laws, to modify laws to get total control of the Central Bank (and the Anses) only with the purpose of using the whole money available there.
We can add “popular trials” of those journalists who have different oppinions from her, to organize “escraches” in the houses of innocent citizens (quite a nazi activity) and finally to organize a spitting championship to ridicule and intimidate journalists and actors that think differently.
Her speeches were and still are quite violent and intolerant.
I cannot believe that you, living in Canada (such an extremely democratic country) consider that CFK is a “democratic” leader.
@16
Apr 21st, 2015 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh he knows very well what he is doing. The wall of text is a smokescreen for evil. The real question is how much do they pay him? ;)
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsryuikyku.gif
The electorate always gets what it deserves.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is true in virtually every country - even those with stolen elections. If the citizenry cedes its personal liberty to the government then they have to content theirselves with the fruits of their passivity.
Obama proves this. Arguably the worst US president since Carter but liberal principles were allowed to dominate the debate and here we are with most of the policies that the left previously deemed failed being perpetuated for another eight (8) years. The distruction of the middle east is largely attributable to Obama and his perceived (and actual) weakness as a leader. The only thing worse than Bush invading Iraq is Obama's surrender of it and the destablisation of the rest of the muslim world in favor of extremists. SEE Obama's success story: YEMEN. Obama has confirmed that the US is unreliable as a political partner. (Our allies the Saudis secretly loathe the US.) Add in the domestic failures of unprincipled social agendas, a misspent economic stimulus and a non-existent economic recover and you start to get the scope of his “accomplishments”.
Russia deserves Putin. A minor technocrat is now worth $40 BILLION US after a life of public service. The suffering and economic provation is such that forty (40%) plus percent of the population yearns for a return to communism - a method of economic organization that is now nearly universally accepted as so flawed as to be inoperable.
The african nations richly deserve the quality of the leadership that they have so justly earned with the exercise of their civic duties. Nigeria by itself has sustained the finance of several private banking houses in CH. Their funds have been used to finance development in every corner of the world. Thanks!
rotting roadkill will get what i deserves. Understand: The government apparatus is reflective of the citizenry. Left? Right? It makes no difference. Policy can't correct or compensate for the rotting roadkillians
Chronic, very often your posts are amazing.
Apr 21st, 2015 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 015
Apr 21st, 2015 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't bother...judging by your posted efforts....Art is not your forte...
ps...don't give up your day job....
So still no answer yet?
Apr 21st, 2015 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't have primaries in my country. However I assumed they are used by parties to choose a candidate. In Argentina they seem to be used as a tool to remove as many candidates as possible before an actual election.
Which means they favour the larger parties that can afford to run for election TWICE?
Still confused and happy to state that.
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Apr 21st, 2015 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This PASO system was introduced by the Ks as an instrument in blocking out of the picture the hundreds of left wing and Marxist parties nationwide that came into effect in 2011. Hence one of the reasons that there is a vast difference with the results of the 2009 midterm elections with 2011. These left wing communist parties would always take a couple of points from the Ks even if they are not a threat for them.
@12 Enrique
Apr 21st, 2015 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not often agree with pgerman, but he is an Argentine living in Vancouver and has a good idea how Canada's version of Democracy differs from that of Argentina.
@16 pgerman
”...We can add “popular trials” of those journalists who have different oppinions from her, to organize “escraches” in the houses of innocent citizens (quite a nazi activity) and finally to organize a spitting championship to ridicule and intimidate journalists and actors that think differently”
You should be able to see that too.
I can understand a love of your country - Patriotism, but the current government is Nationalist Socialistic, in nature, and corrupt.
I don't know how you can in good conscience, support them and their policies.
The people of Argentina are NOT benefitting from them - they have merely kicked the 'National Day of Reckoning' further down the road, with much worse final results.
CFK and Timerman will retire in luxury, elsewhere...
Finally thank you CabezaDura
Apr 21st, 2015 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So it would be correct to say that these primaries are the elections and the elections are the runoff?
We run 4 different voting systems across Australia and none of them are first past the post.
Perhaps Argentina should have looked at different systems that such as Full Preferential Voting:
“Each candidate must be given a preference by the voter. This system favours the major parties; can sometimes award an election to the party that wins fewer votes than its major opponent; usually awards the party with the largest number of votes a disproportionate number of seats; and occasionally gives benefits to the parties that manufacture a three-cornered contest in a particular seat.”
When I vote I rank in order who I vote for. So 7 candidates each get a number. 1 for the person I like most and 7 for the least.
When they count, unless someone has more than 50%+1 of the vote then the person with the least 1's has their votes redistributed. They go back to the ballot and look at who was placed at position 2 and those votes are distributed. If no one then has 50%+1 of the vote, they continue.
Weeds out the minor parties and also allows parties to negotiate preference flows.
Seems to work well enough and only entails the cost of 1 election.
“So it would be correct to say that these primaries are the elections and the elections are the runoff?”
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0So far since 2011 the system has being put in place so it’s too early to say as there has being only 2 most recent elections that the system has worked for.
So far what these primaries have done in 2011 presidential and 2013 midterms is incline the public to side with the winner, basically the guy who picks up the most volume of votes . For socio-physiological reasons people pick the winning side when given a second chance in almost identical options….
In the 2011 PASOs we were at least given a single ballot where you can just tick in the legislators and authorities positions independently of each party.
So if I voted for “X” of party 1 I could vote for “Y” of party 2 for 1° legislator , “Z” of party 3 “B” as governor of party 4 and so on.
The results were interesting but it scared the crap out of the Peronist barons of Metropolitan BsAs as elections had a far more local aspect.
Guess we will have to see how this system evolves over time. And whether it has the desired result or whether it doesn't change the system at all.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Living in a parliamentary democracy (which I prefer) there are many less positions up for election here. So my state governor isn't elected but appointed. I elect the parliament to do the appointing.
Same at the federal level. So parliament retains primacy.
The use of primaries is instead a party affair that doesn't really have much do with people outside the party.
It is quite amusing reading all these foreign fiends talking about their “democracies” and what style they are, when none of it matters since it is the banking cabal that runs places like Canada and Australia. They make the decisions, the politicians merely obey. Of course they will now claim I'm crazy, stupid, ignorant, jealous, uninformed or any myriad of combinations of those, but the reality is the banks control those countries and they as citizens have no power whatsoever.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@27 Toby
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0As I've pointed out before the main reason why my country was able to avoid a recession at the advent of the GFC was the denial by our treasurer at the time, Petrer Costello, of the request by our banks to establish a sub-prime lending market here. As a Canadian poster formed me, Canada did the same thing, which is why their banks were also left in much better shape than US & European banks.
If that is not clear evidence that our banks do not control our legislature, I do not know what would be...
@21/25
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting CD, thanks. ;)
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