MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands' Argentine cemetery remains' identification turns into controversy
The United Kingdom regretted that Argentina was 'making politics out of a humanitarian issue”, following the claim from the administration of President Cristina Fernandez that UK was delaying the identification process of 123 Argentine soldiers, who died during the 1982 Falklands War and were buried as the Unknown Warriors on the Islands Argentine cemetery. Read full article
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Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2007/03/05/unknown-british-sailor-buried
The FIG have yet to receive a request by the Government of BA. The Government in the UK pass all requests on to the FIG, so it has to be assumed, that no such request has been forwarded by the CFK government, and that this is just more propaganda bullshit.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 “Off-Topic Alejandro”
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 05:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos strikes again with another childish distraction
- best ignored...
Solution in one word, “repatriation!”
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Lord Ton
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are completely correct.
The UK government (and CFK and her cronies KNOW this) CANNOT give anyone permission to disinter this graves and take DNA samples. ONLY the Falkland Islands Government can do this.
But if I were the FIG I'd be tempted to say to the Red Cross, come on in, disinter the bodies, pack them up in these coffins, and take them back to Argentina.
Then the Argentine government wouldn't be able to use these poor boys in their nasty little political games.
And if Argentina refuses to accept the bodies back, then bury them all at sea, just off the coast of Argentina, with full military honours.
#4
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree. I would normally not wish to disturb the dead, whoever they were.
However as this is being made an issue by the argentine regime, on this case only, have them returned to their home country.
I think the operative word in the above article was said by the Red Cross Representative Steve Anderson “ ALL ” as in “as long as it was requested by ALL the families and sides involved” He has a very valid point and must be respected, how would you feel if your loved one was dug up on the whim of a Government. As someone has already said, if they want identifying and that will need digging them up then why not suggest to the Argies that it is possible but the remains are returned to their next of kin. Surely there can be no objection to that.
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Apr 22nd, 2015 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The FIG.... lack the legal authority to engage in diplomatic or foreign relations.
...no IF's, no But's, no argument....
@8
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0For the matter in hand yes they do; be sensible now and talk to FIG. And at the same time, recognise FIG are the defacto authority in this and all other Island, oil and fisheries matters :)
At some point Argentina will have to pull on some long pants and grow up. Its the only option they have.
Actually they do being the legit goverment of the Falklands.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Being the people who live their and can trace their descendent back over 150 years way more than the average argentine and the FIG manage to do a better job of running the islands than argentina manages .
You tried wooing them failed because you were a nasty bunch of facists
You invaded that went went
@#1
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am quite happy to give full credit to the Argentinian military & government for affording this narine full honours at his burial, it was the right and proper thing to do. However this has nothing to do with the above story, unless of course Marcos you are implying that the British and the Islanders did not give your fallen a proper funeral?
The problem that we have is that if the identification of the remains is not conducted from start to finish in a proper manner then Argentina would turn it into another political extravaganza. I am sure that the families of the fallen would rather that not happen.
@#8
This would be a humanitarian act and the FIG have full responsibility for those they allow on there soil. If Argentina was serious about this they would have simply contacted both the UK and FIG but no they wish to turn it into propoganda once again.
It is obvious the Argentine Government is just playing politics. If they really wanted this done they would contact FIG and open a discussion. They don't actually want a resolution, they want something to moan about.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine government knows full well that if they contact the UK Govt over this matter then the UK will forward it to the proper authorities i.e. the FIG.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine government allows knows full well that if they contact the Red Cross they will say that they will help but only if ALL the parties and ALL the families agree.
The Argentine government knows full well that if they contact the FIG then that would be de facto recognition of the FIG
So, as per usual, the Argentine government has painted itself into a corner and can only try and make political capital out of a situation that it created in the first place.
Another clear example of the lies and blatant propaganda Arg politicians spew: they say under Argentina, Falklanders would have more power and freedom to run their own affairs without the need of a peacock hat wearing UK Governor. Turns out they already have. Seems Argentina are in denial, prefering instead to don a tin bucket and bang it loudly with a wooden spoon in the hope this inconvenient truth goes away.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 08/10/11/13
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just because you say it...doesn't make it so....
Provide one link that shows the FIG can conduct diplomatic and foreign relations....
as I can provide plenty that states they can't....
“Last year Foreign Office minister Hugo Swire called on Argentina to contact the UK and Falklands' governments formally to implement the process of identification of NN soldiers' remains. However Argentina argued that since it was a humanitarian issue it was coordinated by the International Red Cross and not directly between London and Buenos Aires.”
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I shake my head in disbelief at the sheer audacity of these awfull people.
It is Argentina that wants to do the DNA identifacation on the bodies, and yet they are so arrogant (or stupid) that they refuse to comply with the request to formally contact the UK and FI Governments.
What is wrong with these people??
Frankly the FIG should just tell them to get lost. Perhaps after the election in Argentina they might have an adult government in office and they can try again by going through the correct channels.
@15
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Take that tin bucket off your head and stop hitting it with a spoon.
Painful as might be, show some intelligence and common courtesy to FIG. Stop been in denial.
So once again its the fault of the British,
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No disrespect to the dead but, it was and has been mentioned since, that they should be repatriated or buries at sea, as Argentina would disgracefully use them for political reasons,
and of course this is what they are doing, and will continue to do,
remove them, or put up with the consequences,
just saying like.
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Apr 22nd, 2015 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0show me the link......Show Me The Link......“SHOW ME THE LINK”....
ps....“being”...
TMBOA has done this previously, she does not care about those families who do not want there loved ones disturbed.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given the chaos in the argie army at the time I would imagine a number of the fallen have been mistakenly identified and they realise that the 'boy' in the grave may not be their boy.
It is one thing to suspect it, quite another to have to face it.
Very, very, delicate situation and it does not need TMBOA trampling over matters, so to speak.
Typical argie stupidity. Wait 30 years and then expect everyone else to jump around.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4. Agreed.
@5. Also agreed. Except for the bit about coffins. Thirty plus years on won't the contents of the buried coffins just be rotting bones and sloshing liquid? Assuming it hasn't leaked away.
@7. Also agreed. Given the position of the Red Cross, the argie 'government' will just have to get on and persuade ALL the families.
@8, 15. Listen up, numbnuts, the Falkland Islands Government gets to decide who can enter its territory. No diplomatic or foreign relations required. At the Immigration desk, “Purpose of your visit”? “We plan to travel to your settlement of Darwin. Go to the Argentine Military Cemetery, dig up 123 graves, take some samples.” “And your authorisation for this activity issued by the Falkland Islands Government”? “We don't have anything like that. We are argies and don't recognise your authorities.” “Police constable. Here, please. I have a bunch of intending grave robbers here. I'm not giving them permission to land. I would suggest that you call a few colleagues, take them into custody, remove them to an outdoor detention facility where they can enjoy our wonderful, bracing climate while we spend a few weeks organising their deportation papers.” Get it, numbnuts? And, while we're at it, have you 'noticed' all those OFFICIAL FIG member visits to other countries? Of course, the argie 'government' would probably have to say that they didn't take place. After all, FIG and the Falkland Islanders don't exist. So they couldn't have gone anywhere, right?
What are you? Scotch? Salmond was very big on ignoring inconvenient FACTS.
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Apr 22nd, 2015 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope ...don't get it....don't see how that is dealing with a foreign Government...
...a lot of words to say fcuk all....
...as per usual...
form an orderly queue...
next...
Voice - Tell your President this is how she does it- contact the Br Embassy in Buenos Aires and ask then to pass the information request on the Falkland Islands Govt.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is the normal diplomatic method as far as I know as used by other nations as required such as Chile and Uruguay and Brasil.
It all depends on the technology as well. You can safely say that if digging up the coffins is required - the answer from the Islands will ne - NO - leave those lads in peace as their God knows who they are.
If it can be done by boring down to the buried coffin from ground level a small diameter hole and taking a small sample of contents to indentify- then maybe.
But your President has to climb down off her tree and live in the real world!
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Apr 22nd, 2015 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Couple of problems with that....
One: ...I don't have a President...
and...
Two:... I don't have a President...
@24
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#cough# When Argentina laughingly sent Teddy Bears - who did they send them to? As mentioned, other countries have no problem with talking to FIG, go Google.
Argentine governments will come and go; some hardline, some soft, may be even some violent and confrontational. One things for certain, UK And FIG's stance will be same. Consistent.
It is so stupid of “Voice” to go on insisting that he/she/it is not Argentine. Every post is spouting the official Argentine (mis)government line.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The issue here is not about international relations, it is about the Argentine (mis)government wanting to ensure that more hate is directed towards the Brits and Falkland Islanders. The permission to exhume bodies in a cemetery is ALWAYS given by the LOCAL authority. If I need to exhume my father's body from his grave in Cinco Saltos, I will have to seek permission from the Cinco Saltos Municipality.
So Argentine Voice, there is your answer.
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Apr 22nd, 2015 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done..you have absolutely convinced me sending gifts directly...instead of sending them half way across the world to then travel half way across the world back again is undeniable proof the the FiG do have control over diplomatic and foreign relations....
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Of course being an Argentine, you would be the leading authority on British NSGT's legislation...
....wait a minute.....oh dear...
..next....
This is for an Islander to answer, can the FIG overrule the UK, for example, if the UK said to Argentina 'OK go ahead and dig up the graves', can the FIG refuse entry to the 'Grave robbers' if they do not want to give permission?
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Highly unlikely that any UK Govt would be so crass - also unconstitutional as UK does NOT have control over such matters here - Falkland Islands Govt does.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If UK Govt thought it a good idea - they would discuss with FIG and if FIG was saying no and UK was unable to convince FIG otherwise - then at the end of the day - that would be it
@27
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think you have inadvertently proved my point: if the FO forward on the request (with some likely recommendations) to FIG, who then respond to Argentina asking for further info etc. What then - Argentina ignores the FIG response? At some point you'll stop playing silly buggers and suck up the reality of this permanent situation.
@26 Simon68
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simon make 2 very salient points:
1)
”It is so stupid of “Voice” to go on insisting that he/she/it is not Argentine. Every post is spouting the official Argentine (mis)government line.“
”i am just a_voice“ (”who said I was British”) parrots the official Argentine propaganda on a regular basis.
He either believes it's true (!) or he does it merely to bring attention to himself.
His usual M.O.
Interesting that an Argentine identified that!
2)
”The issue here is not about international relations, it is about the Argentine (mis)government wanting to ensure that more hate is directed towards the Brits and Falkland Islanders“
FAIL-boy, voicedron, won't even address that observation, as he knows it is true and so unarguably obvious - we have an Argentine stating it !
Instead, in his accustomed style, he tries to ridicule Simon68 about NSGT's for saying the ”LOCAL” authorities have to be consulted...
- the exact words of Hugo Swire, a year ago !!
It's in the article above, for God's sake!
Clearly, a_voice can't even be bothered with facts - why would anyone pay any attention to the mealy-mouthed CFK toady??
He does a great disservice to the War Dead of both sides by aiding the propagandising of this controversy for his own sake.
Shame on you, Voicedron!!
26 Simon68
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 027 Voice
The point here is that FIG is responsible for Customs and Immigration, which is essentially what this is about. FIG does not have to refer to the UK at all in deciding who comes into the islands and what anyone brings in or takes out. Therefore, if Argentina wants to do any of those things, it has to ask FIG. That's just the way it works; it has nothing to do with international relations or diplomacy.
You know this Think, I mean 'Voice'. You're just arguing to pass a quiet Wednesday afternoon before whisky time.
@15... So there is your answer Voice (@29 Islander1) stop hiding behind technicalities. The FIG has the veto and are able to decide what they want. So whether you think that they do not have the legal capacity to engage in foreign affairs is irrelevant, it is the Islanders that will decide, as it is a Falklands Island internal issue.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So it is the FIG that the Argentinian Government needs to convince and talk with, not the UK.
Just another excuse, like the 'we can't talk to the islanders because the UN forbids it', the only reason they will not engage with the Islanders is that would prove they exist and have a say in what happens (democracy & self determination).
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Apr 22nd, 2015 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you say anything apart from sucking up to Simon68...
Nothing new there then....
.
Simon says....Argentine legislation, same as NSGT legislation.
Simon says...Put your hands on your head...
....Put your hands on your head....
You're out....because Simon never said it...
...Simon Infallibility.....
Awaiting Voicedron fantasy FAIL blog retort...
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where's my Link boy Ah said...WHERE'S MY LINK...
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or should I just believe what a sheep farmer says....
...it must be right...
...hang on I'll just check...“We make stuff up.com”
..better still I'll ask a sheep as they also reside on the islands ..ergo..they must know..
Why waste the time or money?
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK/FI is simply feeding the trolls by even responding.
The time to discuss this is after rotting roadkill acknowledges the status quo in ratified treaties with the UK AND FI.
34, 36 voicedron
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't have long to wait for your boisterous FAIL-rant, did I?
;-)
As it turns out, Simon68 is quite right to question your true motives, and he was correct that UK FO, FIG, and Argentina, all recognise the issue of exhuming bodies must be referred to the LOCAL government.
According to the article above, a statement from Argentina's own La Nacion newspaper, regarding Hugo Swire stance,
“FCO minister Hugo Swire, last year according to La Nacion called on Argentina to contact the British and Falklands governments to implement the identification”
Your temper tantrum was very colourful, though.
What's next after “Simon Says” - will you stand on your head, or just sit in the Toy aisle for a cry...?
Argentine Voice:
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no infallibility about it, it seems to me that exhumation involves the LOCAL judiciary and the LOCAL government authorities. It works like that here in Argentina, and I'm pretty sure that it is similar in the UK and most other countries. So it would be the same in the Falklands. If I am wrong then surely one of our resident Falklanders, Monty69, Islander1 or Jo Bloggs will surely put me right!!!!!
This Voice is getting horse, repeating same nonsense. Not represent Arg, local cretin? Arg trolls make nonsense all again. Embarrassing
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 039 Simon68
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure the UK and FIG clearly see this for what it is, and will treat it with sensitivity.
Meanwhile, on the Propaganda Bandwagon...
Voicedron has disrespected and dishonoured the War Dead of both nations by participating in a Propaganda campaign, re-igniting, and exploiting emotions over those lost in the war.
Utterly shameful !
39
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah it works like that for most Sovereign States...I think...
...but then again the Falklands is not a Sovereign State...
...now if you were to supply me with a link that verifies that NSGT's legislation is as Simon says....I might be inclined to believe you...
...but then again would I believe a self proclaimed Argentine that always sides with the British against Argentina....
Mmmm....let me think about that one....
42 Voicedron
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't understand or care, do you?? !!
Argentine Voice:
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...“but then again would I believe a self proclaimed Argentine that always sides with the British against Argentina”...
Actually that is not true, I only side with the Brits over the Falkland Islands question, I also remember with nostalgia when the Brits ran our railways. My father worked for them and always appreciated them as bosses.
44 Simon68
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“VoiCedron” is not like those Brits.
He is callous and self-centered - he has shown that he has none of the qualities you or your Dad admired.
40
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not too hoarse that I can't sing you a song....
There was something in the air that night
The stars were bright, Ferdinando
They were shining there for you and me
For liberty, Ferdinando
Though I never thought that we could lose
There's no regret
If I had to do the same again
I would, my friend, Ferdinando
43
They are dead...the dead don't care....
move on....
46 VoiCedron
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their families are NOT dead, and neither are the Falklanders, under political attack again, with the help of idiots like you.
There are millions of war dead in the world...
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Buy a poppy, spare a moments thought once a year....and get on with your short life..
Get some perspective idiot...
48 Voi-Cedron
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but only you and the Peronists try to antagonise the living for your own satisfaction and gain.
As I said, you're callous and disrespectful of the War Dead of both sides, and toying with the emotions of their families, and the British Falklanders.
Furthermore, You are aiding a foreign government in a propaganda battle against British subjects and the UK.
One has to wonder why?
You don't seem to be the type to put yourself out for anybody else.
You don't seem to have any firm principles.
Says a lot about you.
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Apr 22nd, 2015 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Huh...are you still there... trying to cover the fact that not one link has been forthcoming....
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice attempt at distraction...didn't work...now close the door on your way out...
WHERE'S MY LINK...???
51 voi-Cedron
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Where's my link?”
“Your” link? Sorry, you mean “a” link. It's not about you.
nice try, though - try reading the article, there's a quote
“Last year Foreign Office minister Hugo Swire called on Argentina to contact the UK and Falklands' governments formally to implement the process of identification of NN soldiers' remains.”
Please show us your many links saying it ain't so - the Falklanders would disagree with your conclusion.
What did your Voice Hate Campaign net you this time, besides a little attention and exposing the real you?
Voice - and how many times do I have to tell you. Arg Govt needs to do it the same way as other S.American Govts do.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First Move;
make the request to the British Embassy in Buenos Aires asking them to pass the request on to Falkland Islands Govt in Stanley.
Then: Once contact has been established the relevant Arg Govt dept can communicate directly with the relevant Islands Govt Dept.
That is how Chilean Govt and Uruguyan Govt do it. and when required Brasil also I imagine
Now is that to difficult to grasp?.
53
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are going to state your opinion without any official endorsement, with a relevant link...
I'll state mine...
First Move
make the request to the British Embassy in Buenos Aires asking them to pass the request on to the UK FCO...they make a decision whether to acquiesce with the request....then inform the FIG to accommodate the request and deal with the details..
The FIG don't decide anything without the legal and relevant authority from the UK Govt...
..because the UK Govt deals with anything that involves diplomatic and Foreign relations....
The Governor of the Falklands responsibility is Defence and Diplomatic relations...
..that is why there is no mention of a response from the FIG in the whole article.
Now is that too difficult to grasp?...
Voice - why are you playing the silly b----r?
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is so plainly obvious that no matter where you are in the world it is the local municipality/ayuntamiento/government concerned that authorises exhumations. As the Argentine gravesite in the Falkland Island is located in the territory administered by the Falkland Islands Government then only they can give the necessary approval.
55 gordo1
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Voice - why are you playing the silly b----r?”
It's probably because he is the anti-English sociopath, El Think, a silly bugger
55
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you can't show me a suitable link that this is FCO policy concerning NSGT's...then you too are just offering an unsubstantiated opinion....
There is a clue in the acronym...here is the clue NON-Self-Governing Territories...
....drat that was too much of a clue wasn't it...I must learn to be more subtle....
@51. Up your arse! Haggis-brain.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@54. No links. Piss off.
@57. Scotch drunkard.
Voice.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly some examples of South American Govt Depts. that communicate directly with their opposite Govt Departments in Falklands.
Air Traffic Control
Dept of Civil Aviation
Customs
Dept of Agriculture - S.A.G in Chile or M.G.A.P.in Uruguay.
Those talk direct.
Anybody new - the initial contact goes from
EITHER
That Countries Govt Dept to its Foreign Ministry to the British Embassy to the Falklands(the Br Embassy will logically copy the stuff to the Falklands desk at FCO in London - so if any queries come to London from Falklands Govt then they at least have a “heads-up” as to the story etc.
Falkland Islands Govt then reply in the opposite return direction.
No you can splutter on as much as you like about links to an NSGST page or whatever you like forever if you like - but the above is WHAT HAPPENS - Got it?
1 Marcos Alejandro (#) Apr 22nd, 2015 - 04:03 am
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Report abuse
“An unknown British sailor has been buried with an Argentine Honour Guard”
en.mercopress.com/2007/03/05/unknown-british-sailor-buried
I thought it worth the cut and paste as it was a nice link well worth the read. I may not agree with many of your posts to put it mildly but that one was very agreeable! Who knew there good working relations in 1983! (I'll look it up later as it sounds a fascinating project!).
As for the soldiers, I think it was awful that families were never repatriated with their deceased in 1982. The remains should have been taken along with the pows and returned to the people who remembered them most.
I despise the political use of them, but they were always political pawns dead or alive just to keep The Mal Vinas myth going... (well it all went to plan before...).
I'm surprised in fact that they never bothered promoting the fact that there were UP colonists who actually stayed and built up a stable community, a better angle to approach from maybe? It's at least friendlier.
So I'm wondering how you categorise the activities in Dr Elsby, an elected member of the Falkland Islands government when he recently gave a speech to the San Andrés Legislative Assembly.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But more importantly when he met with the President of the Colombian Congress and then proceeded to give a speech to Colombian Congress.
Would that fall under domestic or foreign affairs?
Funny how the Westminster system works on codified laws and convention. Let's it evolve. Like our system did when it moved from the UK controlling our foreign affairs.
Perhaps this despite will turn into the next step on the road to independence.
Simple. Britain and the Falkland islands governments should simply exhume all the Argentine war dead and send the lot back to where they came from ARGENTINA. This Argentine grave site has been used as a political tool by Argentina who in my opinion cares little about their war dead as they care little for the families of those war dead .
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they were anyways half decent they would of accepted all the dead a long time ago for those bereaved families who for many did not wish for their sons to be sent to fight a stupid war.
No Argentina will not accept these bodies because so long as they are buried here on our Islands they will continue to use them as their propaganda tool in their claim for our homeland.
Lets put an end to this saga now. return them all or re-bury them at sea 200 miles of our shore. That will end this stupid nonsense ones and for all.
Call me harsh or callous I don't care I did not invite these soldiers here to be killed on my homeland.
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Apr 22nd, 2015 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But more importantly when he met with the President of the Colombian Congress and then proceeded to give a speech to Colombian Congress. ”
Did she make a treaty?
Did she enter into negotiations?
...or was she just giving a speech..
If an Overseas Territory Government wishes to enter into negotiations with an international or regional organisation, or to conclude a treaty with it, it requires the authority of the UK Government.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/12249/ot-wp-0612.pdf
In the majority of Territories the Governor has special responsibility for defence, external affairs and internal security (including the police, the public service, and administration of the courts).
The majority of Overseas Territories' constitutions also provide the UK with certain reserve powers. These include the power of Her Majesty acting through a Secretary of State to instruct the Governor in the exercise of his functions; the power to disallow Overseas Territories' legislation; and the power to legislate by Prerogative Order in Council.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/12249/ot-wp-0612.pdf
Foreign affairs of the overseas territories are handled by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London. Some territories maintain diplomatic officers in nearby countries for trade and immigration purposes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/12249/ot-wp-0612.pdf
However, under International Law the Territories are part of the UK, so they are represented on international institutions, such as the UN, by the UK Government. They are therefore bound by International law, such as the implementation of sanctions, through the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/12249/ot-wp-0612.pdf
You can't hide the fact Skip that the Falklands do not have the authority to conduct foreign affairs....
Not one single link to the contrary...
Voice- That is WHY the first point of contact for the Arg Govt would be the Br Embassy - the representatives of HM The Queen,s British Govt in Argentina.
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then - as it is an internal matter for the Falkland Islands Govt to deal with and respond to;
It is passed to them - with a reference copy to London.
Jesus man - what is your problem?
@63
Apr 22nd, 2015 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you can't hide the fact that management of cemeteries is not the job of the FCO. In fact you seem to be falling into he typical Argentine fallacy that anything Argentina doesn't like s a violate of some international law or principle, whichever turns out to be curiously invisible to anybody except Argentina. The truth of it is, there is no principle defining how a state's domestic affairs must be defined or administered in relation to its foreign affairs. Each state decides this for itself, and then sorts it out with other states when necessary. It's quite clear, in this case, as has already benn pointed out above, that Argentina's aim in this case is not to sort the matter out at all, but to concoct another grievance to be fed to he gullible. How's your appetite?
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Apr 23rd, 2015 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nonsense the matter hasn't reached the FIG at all, the UK have been dealing with it...How many times has the Argentine Govt made this request...?
Why has there been no response from the FIG...I haven't seen a single comment from them...
When and only when the UK Govt give the go ahead on this International matter will the FIG be involved....and they will do as they are told....
Smoke and Mirrors by the FCO they know they can fob off the Argentine Govt anytime by referring to the FIG....if they do include or consult with the FIG they are recognising that they legitimately exist....
Nobody is fooled by this ploy....
Self determination doesn't apply because the FIG do not determine external affairs they do not even have ultimate control over their own legislation the UK reserves the power to disallow all of your laws...
Self Determination is what it states SELF determination...not part determination and certainly not UK determination...
..and that is why you are classed by the UN as a Non-Self Governing Territory..
@63 Voice
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Outstanding Voicey, not only did you find your own links, everyone was irrelevant to the issue at hand.
The question is who decides on exhumations in graveyards. No link for that huh.
Not who conducts foreign affairs. Dimlo.
So, let’s see if you can understand what is the issue here (which incidentally you raised), and actually address that.
Consider this a little test for you and don’t be nervous with everyone watching and all.
O.k. away you go.
Guys why oh why do you waste your time with that idiot voice he's a turd of Nicola Sturgeon
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear oh dear. How did you all let this deadbeat sock puppet get so much attention? They probably don't take this much notice of him when he's fishing for trout in the Dover branch of the RBL.
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lord Ton, I am afraid the Commander latched onto something you didn't quite get right and had a field day.
Voice/ Think/ Dover over...etc. is correct of course but correct or incorrect it will have no bearing on the end result in this case. The MLAs are being consulted every step of the way but negotiations are direct between the UK and TDC. Not to worry, the outcome will be as if the MLAs were negotiating directly.
So take a bow deadbeat but being correct is about as relevant as the health befits of the Red Bull drink when considering the Red Bull F1 team's chances of success over the next five years.
Chuckle chuckle :-))
I find the posting of kelperabout at #62 most reasonable. If it is considered that Argentina uses politically the unknown soldiers, then why keep playing around? Just do the right thing and either allow for identification or return the bodies. End of story.
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 69 Jo Bloggs
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I demand to see a link about who has the authority to decide on exhumations in graveyards.
A link, link, link.
No link huh, huh, huh.
Can’t be true if there’s no link eh, eh, eh.
Only true if it’s in a link, all links are true of course.
Must find a link to how clever I am.
Then they must believe.
71 Pugol_H
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0A link you say...
How about this...
ThinklinkDoveoverlinkVoicelink...
Credibility check anyone?
Chuckle chuckle
Voice - you are correct in that this issue has NOT reached FIG - simply because it has not formally reached British Govt either!
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on give us the link that shows where and when the Arg Govt has formally made an approach to the British Govt over this issue? either direct to FCO in London or the Embassy in B.A.?
You are a bit selective in your understanding of UK Legal Powers - yes the Gov of a B.O.T. has the right to intervene and disallow a law or laws - in the consideration and maintenance of Good Free Open democratic Govt - as they did intervene a few years ago in the Turk & Caicos Islands when their MLAs started fiddling things for personal gain!
UK is bound by the UN to ensure proper democratic systems and freedom etc in the BOTs after all.
Other than T&C and perhaps Pitcairn - show me where that right has been exercised by London in the last 30-40 years in one of the BOTs?
@70
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not “ ALL ” of the bereaved want the return of their loved ones. Much better for CFK to keep harping on about it, it keeps the plebs in Argentina focused on the Sovereignty dispute with the UK. Still only a few more months and you will have a change of President if not a change of government. Good luck with that, same old, same old nothing will change, you are going to be banckrupt in 3 years without selling your soul to China and Russia. Seriously I feel sorry for the population of Argentina. I worked there for some years and found them very friendly but oh so lazy.
Some say,
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0let the dead lie, you argies seem desperate to join them,
be patient your time will come.
So... to sum up... usual argentine attempt to make mileage from Falklands issues, even using their dead as a political tool to try to further their own needs.
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0nice.
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i dont know why anybody bothers with Voice - its only a mouthpiece, you wont get anything useful from it, other than distraction, obfuscation and lies.
@ Voice
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 01999 FishingOilFlights agreement was between Argentina and the Falklands not Argentina an the UK.
66 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad to see you remain consistent like the Argentine government, totally devoid of truth.
Case Concerning Sovereignty over Pulau Ligitan and Pulau Sipadan(Indonesia v. Malaysia)Judgment of 23 October 2001
12. ... In General Assembly resolution 1541 (XV), adopted with only two dissents on 15 December 1960, the General Assembly contemplated more than one method of self-determination for non-self-governing territories, including “integration with an independent State”.
78 Terence Hill
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good one - nice find.
78
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WTF has that got to do with the price of fish...?
Are the Falklands integrated with an Independent State...No...
So go back to telling your old jokes....
78
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...whereas your opportunistic, and frankly childish, ramblings on here yesterday had everything to do with the price of fish did they.
Please pass my regards to the Commander and his Asian wife who now, apparently, shops at Aldi. Did you have to downgrade your Disco also?
Credibility check anyone?
Chuckle chuckle ;-))
80 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny how I can find these innumerable citations supporting my assertions, while all you and Argentina can do is is make empty claims, that have absolutely no support under international law
”SELF-DETERMINATION AS A CONTINUING RIGHT'. EXPRESSION OF THE POPULAR WILL; 53 Article 1(3) grants peoples of dependent territories (non-self-governing and trust territories) the right freely to decide their international status, in other words, whether to form a State or to associate with an existing sovereign“.
Self-determination of people: a legal reappraisal by Antonio Cassese
”3.2 Western Sahara (Advisory Opinion of 16 October 1975
In the Court’s opinion the right of that population to self-determination constituted a basic assumption of the questions put before it.29 It further noted that the Decolonization Declaration was complemented by General Assembly resolution 1541(XV) which contemplated three possibilities for the decolonization process of non-self-governing territories, namely (a) emergence as a sovereign independent State; (b) free association with an independent State; or (c) integration with an independent State.“ p.9Self-Determination through the Lens of the International Court of Justice by Gentian Zyberi
”Only with the formulation of the concept of self- determination of peoples was decolonization able to grasp at a legal justification” p.233
David J. Bederman The Spirit of International Law
81
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Huh..? my posts were mostly relevant to my argument...what is childish, is the way you islanders delude yourselves into believing that your government is anything more than a puppet government that exists at the whim of the UK Govt...a clue is in the name BOT... BRITISH Overseas TERRITORY....damn I did it again..gave it away.
Whereas Terry's post has about as much relevance as the price of fish...
I know no Commander....I did read his post about the middle classes shopping at Aldi...nonsense he's been watching too many of the current TV adverts, I personally wouldn't be seen dead buying my weekly shopping there...
I have been in Aldi three times in my life....
They were promoting breathable running gear it was decent stuff
They were promoting winter cycling gear it was decent stuff
They were promoting motorcycling thermals it was decent stuff
I can't even pronounce half of the bizarre food products they have and certainly wouldn't buy them....
You do realise that you use the female version of Joe now....
A chuckle would be in order now...
Chuckle....
80 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some price, some fish, while you cannot produce either price or fish, and have absolutely nothing to refute my proofs. So babble on little proof-less brook.
“In order to disprove the assertion that all crows are black, one white crow is sufficient.” William James
“Let me show you how it's done ... Loser!” Babe Ruth
@80 HMV
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you just spent most of the thread contending that the Falkands ARE a part of an independent state? And you've just done it again in @83? Would you mind just making your mind up, instead of just casting the nearest aspersion?
What's to refute...?
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WTF is your point...?
It is fairly obvious that the UN do not think the Falklands are self determining otherwise they would be off the NSGT list...
....again read the clue in the acronym....
83
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your continued contribution as a UK tax payer to our defence and foreign affairs. I know you have an issue with that but we really do appreciate it.
85
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are not integrated like the French colonies...
...and if they were integrated they could no more deal with foreign countries than the County of Yorkshire can...that is the role of the British Govt...
I can see that you feel that you must say something....but deliberately misinterpreting the meaning of my comments for a cheap point score....tut bloody tut....
@88 Voicey
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“integrated like the French colonies”
Out done yourself again Voicey, what is wrong with that statement eh, eh, eh?
Apart from no link to prove it ah, ah, ah.
I’ll give you a clue, define an “integrated colony”.
“deliberately misinterpreting the meaning”, “for a cheap point score”
Is stock in trade for you!
It seems you’re not the only one who knows how to play that game then.
And apparently you’re not the best player either.
In fact not even good.
Never mind, go find us some Voicey is Brill & Smashing & nice & even quite clever, links, then we have to believe.
86 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
Apr 23rd, 2015 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is fairly obvious that the UN do not think the Falklands are self determining” A moot point as that is totally irrelevant, as both the UK and the Islanders have for filled all the obligations required of them by the UN Charter, and as further reiterated by the ICJ. So what ever political interference that Argentina can stir up is legally meaningless, as there is no legal authority to effect any change to either of their status, as that is the reality
Like I said....“integrated like the French colonies”
Apr 24th, 2015 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oooo...looks like a good example of an integrated Colony to me..
Following the Second World War, the people of the French island of Martinique opted for an unusual transformation of their COLONIAL status: in March 1946 they voted – along with Guadeloupe, French Guyana, and Réunion – to become a regular department of France
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/w/wsfh/0642292.0034.018/--citizenship-and-assimilation-in-postwar-martinique?rgn=main;view=fulltext
As with the other overseas departments, Martinique is one of the twenty-seven regions of France (being an overseas region) and an integral part of the French Republic. As part of France, Martinique is part of the European Union, and its currency is the euro.
Was that defined enough for you...?
.....every time...I expose you for the dumbass you are
Oh dear why do you even bother...glutton for punishment or what...?
@91 Voicey
Apr 24th, 2015 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, voicey, voicey, voicey.
Didn’t understand again or just another deliberate misinterpretation????
Let me explain with your own words:
“transformation of their COLONIAL status”, “to become a regular department of France”.
No mention of an “integrated colony” status, only of a transformation to a part of “metropolitan France”.
Transform as in change, from one thing to another, get it.
I repeat, no “integrated colonies”, only parts of France.
I repeat: “I’ll give you a clue, define an “integrated colony”.
No such thing.
Unless you have “a link” proving otherwise eh, eh, eh.
I'm sure you are having a problem understanding tenses in the English language....
Apr 24th, 2015 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll make it simple for the dumb..eh...
Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guyana, and Réunion
Were French Colonies....
are you with me so far?
They integrated with France and became a regular department of France...
Have I lost you yet?
They are an example of “integrated colonies”....
Integrate...being the present tense ....and “integrated” being the past tense....Doh!
I'm now feeling embarrassed for you....
Good to see voicey squirming like a dying worm on a fish hook.
Apr 24th, 2015 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't bother with the timewaster, but it amuses me when I browse a thread and see him tying himself in knots of his own making.
Haha!
Well done all.
I expect he will try and engage me now with some cheap unfunny jibe or insult.
Sad lonely old fool.
Meanwhile, The Falkland Islands are still British and Argentina is still a tinpot banana Republic.
So no change there!
94 ilsen
Apr 24th, 2015 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ I expect he will try and engage me now with some cheap unfunny jibe or insult.
Sad lonely old fool.”
It's that 'special' way he has with women.
It's a good thing he doesn't know anything personal about you, and hasn't seen your Bahamas photos...
@93 Nipper
Apr 24th, 2015 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you got a link anywhere that says the only acceptable model of integration is the French one?
You also seem to be labouring under a typical Argentine apprehension regarding the United Nations. The reason the Falklands appear on the UN NSGT list, is not because the UN decided it so, but because the UK put it there. As for removing It from the list, it is limp idly clear that the UN does not mandate any particular constitutional relationship between a former NSGT and it's former colonial power, only that whatever relationship put in place is determined by the inhabitants. There seems to no doubt that this is the case.
One of the many illogicalities of the Argentine position is its insistence that the Falklands is a colony. It's precisely this status that ensures the self-determination which in turn ensures the islands will never be Argentine, unless and until Argentina grows up and develops a brain.
@95
Apr 24th, 2015 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't mention the Bahamas photos !!!
96
Apr 24th, 2015 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0...“Have you got a link anywhere that says the only acceptable model of integration is the French one?”
Have I got a post anywhere that says the only acceptable model of integration is the French one?
What ele do we have...
The point is not how the Falklands are on the UN NSGT list it is why they are not off it....
and...
...“the UN does not mandate any particular constitutional relationship between a former NSGT and it's former colonial power,”
....not sure what you mean, are you using the verb “mandate” instead of “approve” or “sanction”
If you are then I should note that the Cook Islands a former NSGT do have a constitutional relationship with their former Colonial powers...New Zealand and the UK....a clue... being the opposite of King...Bohemian Rhapsody (head of State) that was too many clues...
Apparently the UN doesn't have a problem with that...
What they do have a problem with is... territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of self-government to be recognised by International bodies.
The UN requires that territories ...need a territory, a population, a government, and the ability to engage in diplomatic or foreign relations. All of them are indispensable.
When and only when these conditions have been satisfied will the General Assembly vote to remove them from the list...
Are we learning yet....Lessons in NSGT's over for today....
...anyone wishing to enrol in my Internet classes of NSGT's....put your name forward....
You know you want to...;-))))
98 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
Apr 24th, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“territories whose peoples have not yet attained ... only when these conditions have been satisfied will the General Assembly vote to remove them from the list...”
It makes no difference legally whatever the UNGA decides or not. As both the UK and the Islands, have complied fully with all their UN mandated Charter requirements. The only possible venue in which to have lawfully challenged the legitimacy of the referendum was the ICJ; so it is now fait accompli. Argentina is fully aware of this, but even she has legally endorsed the issue; as her subsequent acquiescence is tacit recognition. So it's a “done deal” and there is no legal power to alter it.
What's to challenge...British subjects and only British subjects (for want of a better word” ...Voting to remain British...no change there then.
Apr 24th, 2015 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0yeah good one..but meaningless....
100 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
Apr 24th, 2015 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your sophistry cannot undo the accomplished facts. Otherwise, indicate where the UK or the Islanders have done anything other than meet their mandated UN Charter requirements. Here's the rub, you can not.
98 Nipper
Apr 24th, 2015 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Have I got a post anywhere that says the only acceptable model of integration is the French one?”
It's h clear implication of your post 85 and successive rant
“The point is not how the Falklands are on the UN NSGT list it is why they are not off it....”
The first point is your misunderstanding as to how theFalklands came to be on the list in the first place. I take it you now accept that it was the UK that put them there, or is that a fact too far for you?
”...not sure what you mean, are you using the verb “mandate” instead of “approve” or “sanction”
If you are then I should note that the Cook Islands a former NSGT do have a constitutional relationship with their former Colonial powers...New Zealand and the UK....a clue... being the opposite of King...Bohemian Rhapsody (head of State) that was too many clues...“
I am using the word ”mandate“ in it's typical dictionary sense. For the rest, it probably is too many clues, because I can't make head nor tail of it, although brought the murk it looks like you are actually supporting the view that the UN is happy with whatever the former NSGT is happy with.
”Apparently the UN doesn't have a problem
What they do have a problem with is... territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of self-government to be recognised by International bodies.
The UN requires that territories ...need a territory, a population, a government, and the ability to engage in diplomatic or foreign relations. All of them are indispensable.
When and only when these conditions have been satisfied will the General Assembly vote to remove them from the list...”
This is further complete invention. There are no fixed criteria. China, for example, prevailed upon the GA to ave Hong Kong removed from the list with none of these conditions satisfied.
Generally, you persist in this common Argentine delusion that the UN is some kind of certification body. Where dd you get that idea from?
As Terry says,
Apr 24th, 2015 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wee voice is back to Sophistry, nit- picking, and semantics to wriggle out of his own misinterpretation of facts and events.
If he wants to play the slippery eel, let him fall to the pavement, and lie there, stinking in the sun.
@93 Voice
Apr 25th, 2015 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They integrated with France and became a regular department of France”
Correct.
“They are an example of “integrated colonies”....”
Not correct.
They are colonies which have been integrated, not colonies which are integrated.
See the difference, “integrated colony” no such thing, do try and keep up.
Your education was sadly lacking, Dimlo.
For the NSGTs Ban Ki-moon lists the options as, full independence, independence in free association with another state or political self-governance as part of a larger legal structure.
No “integrated colony” status is mentioned, anywhere, ever.
What a goon...the past participle and and the simple past tense are the same after a regular verb....
Apr 25th, 2015 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't be bothered trying to educate a fuckwit....
Considered yourself ignored....no more replies for the thicko....
104 Pugol-H
Apr 25th, 2015 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Careful - you obviously don't know who you are dealing with @105
I don't know why The wee voice of the Loch doesn't have a career in Int'l Relations , with his extensive background in Poli-Sci and Int'l Law!
Voice = oxygen thief.
Apr 26th, 2015 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Twat.
When one reads the rubbish from the so-called “Voice” one cannot but wonder why the mental hospital in which she/he lives doesn't help her/him understand the simple facts of life.
Apr 26th, 2015 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0The standard of these Trolls is falling...all I have is the minor dregs following me about and their insignificance is hardly worth replying to..
Apr 26th, 2015 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0109 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
Apr 26th, 2015 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The best way to win an argument is to begin by being by being right.
Jill Ruckeshaus, Saturday evening Post, March 3, 197
110
Apr 26th, 2015 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...I recommend you take his advice then.....
109 wee man voice
Apr 26th, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ...and their insignificance is hardly worth replying to.”
wee man,
beaten into a corner... and now a quiet cop out, to save face....
LOL... just remember which neglected Troll of the Loch, and Troll of Trout Run, uses dishonest Sophism to antagonise and generate a reaction... over and over ... again - lonely old fraud.
Sophism
“A sophism is a statement to deceive someone in a debate or conversation. It might be made to seem to make sense when really being wrong, or it might use difficult words and complicated sentences to intimidate the audience into agreeing.”
Sounds like someone we know...
...get the lingo right....Troll o' the Loch...
Apr 26th, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not that you would know...never having left your duplex...
...still desperate for me to listen to you...I see...
Quaint and archaic, not to mention, predictable - here you go...
Apr 26th, 2015 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wee troll o' the bedsit
Voice to ass kisser of Nicola
Apr 26th, 2015 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing archaic about it...that is how it is used here....ask Clyde...
Apr 26th, 2015 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's a guy that lives on his boat in the Loch...he is referred to as Les o 'the loch..
Broaden your horizons...
Wannabe o' the park bench...
Weak “retort”.
Apr 26th, 2015 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do be quiet, Baldric.
I miss Think.
Apr 26th, 2015 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least he catered to Voice's need to have someone to talk to.
...moreover an ally....
Apr 26th, 2015 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and an accord...
Perhaps!
Apr 27th, 2015 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your comments are just more readable and less bogged down.
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