MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands has received no formal request to DNA test Argentine soldiers buried at Darwin
The elected government of the Falkland Islands (FIG) has not received any formal request from Argentina or the International Red Cross, ICRC to exhume and identify Argentine soldiers buried at Darwin, according to the last edition of Penguin News, the Falklands' weekly. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhere are the Argentine soldiers buried? In the FALKLANDS. If the Argie government are serious three things should happen.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 01) ALL the relatives must AGREE to the disinternment
2) Argentina FORMALLY WRITE to the FALKLAND government for approval
3) FALKLANDS government makes a decision
Only then will it happen.
Round two anyone...?
Apr 27th, 2015 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0....Organ Grinder....
What a conundrum!
Apr 27th, 2015 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina wants to request.
But they won't deal with FIG.
Guess nothing happens then.
The fallen and their families deserve better from the Argentine government but CFK is too worried about losing (plastic) face
Apr 27th, 2015 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face!!!
TMBOA is not interested in what happens to the fallen soldiers, only in pouring vitriol into the ear of the British.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a spiteful OLD woman she has become.
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Apr 27th, 2015 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Calling Terry Hill....Come out, come out, wherever you are....
Apr 27th, 2015 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get those gloves on...I'm in need of some cherry picking, finger licking, legal beagle quotes....
...are you up for it...?..;-)))
Guess nothing happens then.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh for god sake how many more times are they going to use these men for political point scoring.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Repatriate now!
Argentina is using the dead bodies of these young men to further their own political agenda. This is despicable. The way these poor soldiers were treated during the war was a disgrace and Argentinian politicians are now using them again. Disgusting. If one of my relatives had sadly died on the Falklands I would want their remains repatriated and I would expect my Country to facilitate that.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I understand it, the Red Cross are happy to make requests to the UK & Fl and do the work, once there is unanimity amongst the relatives.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find that is the delay here, the Red Cross will not act without it.
However there is little chance of any Argentinian forensic experts being allow to go to the Islands.
Also DNA testing only would be carried out, any forensic examination of the remains looking for “war crimes perpetrated by the British” would require the repatriation of the remains to Argentina.
oice- Corrent Ball 100% in Argentine Government,s court. When are they going to ask?
Apr 27th, 2015 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9. Strange how you can say 'Repatriate now!', but when I suggest FIG deciding to dig up whatever's left, stuffing it in a container and shipping it to argieland, I get removed. Is there an argie in the MercoPress office who wants the remains to stay so that the argie 'government' can make it an issue?
Apr 27th, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11. Where did you get the bit about “war crimes perpetrated by the British”? Think about it. It's been 33 years. What's going to be left except bones and slosh? Always assuming that rats haven't got in.
I agree that I see no reason for argies to be permitted to go to the Islands. First step after the dig would be for the remnants to be photographed, x-rayed and examined by British scientists. Then the remnants could be shipped. Secured against argie 'tampering'.
@12
Apr 27th, 2015 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never is the answer.
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Apr 27th, 2015 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0slander1
Sovereign Governments and organisations that work on an International basis obviously prefer to engage “States” (Sovereign States) directly...
Within Sovereign States that also have overseas colonies and departments there are official bodies that deal with the any diplomatic and sensitive international matters...
For the UK it is called the FCO....
@13 Conqueror
Apr 27th, 2015 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe it was the last Argy defence minister as well as a few others, who talked about looking for “war crimes perpetrated by the British”.
No, there would not be much to find, especially when they were killed in combat. No real way of telling from a skeleton if they were surrendering when they were bayonetted by Gurkhas.
However don’t tell them that, this may be the best opportunity of getting them to accept the remains back.
According to prelimary voting results in B A only five candidates remain for the July election. Votes will be counted this coming Wednesday, Christ they know the outcome before the counting starts, must be clairvoyant these Argies.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 Nipper
Apr 27th, 2015 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has preference got to do with it?
@1
Apr 27th, 2015 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where are the Argentine soldiers buried? In the FALKLANDS.
1) ALL the relatives must AGREE to the disinternment (This is an internal issue among argentine people)
2) Argentina FORMALLY WRITE to the FALKLAND government for approval (FI is represnted by the UK Embassy in Argentina. The comunication between the FI people and their Gobernor (who represents “the metropoly”) is also an issue that doesn't concern Argentina).
3) FALKLANDS government makes a decision. (It depend on the situation it can be iether the FI authorities or the UK authorities. It is an issue that doesn't concern Argentina).
Only then will it happen
@9
When are you going to repatriate the remains of the British Soldiers left behind from the British Invasions? From the British Cementery located in Buenos Aires?
@13
In years this is the very first time I agree with you. NOT ANY argentine must be allowed to enter the islands, no tourist no relatives. In addition, no ship or plane comming (or going) to argentina territorial waters or air space must be allowed in FI. NO CONTACT AT ALL is the best thing to avoid missunderstandings. Argentina doesn't need FI...the Islanders don't need Argentina. Do you remember? A Berlin Wall in the middle of the South Atlantic Ocean. For the best of both parties.
@19
Apr 27th, 2015 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor, poor Argentina should be left to sulk in its bedroom since the cruel, cruel world is so really, really unfair.
@20
Apr 27th, 2015 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I told you several times.
Argentina doesn't need FI, the Islanders don't need Argentina and the UK doesn't need Argentina but for some unknown reasons ships or planes “in troubles” always end bothering Argentina. They will end requiring argentine help and assistance. As it was, as it is as it always will be.
In addtion, british or chilean planes will keep on using argentine air space and ships sailing in argentine territorial waters...when are you going to grow up and get rid of Tierra del Fuego and Argentina? It seems that F Islanders are not wellcome there. Try to respect their will. Try to respect TDF people “self determination” rights.
@21
Apr 27th, 2015 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How appalling that poor, poor Arjunteena should be bothered by ships or planes in trouble! Somebody should write to the Secretary General of the United Nations about that!
@22
Apr 27th, 2015 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are quite pathetic when you want you make fun of me and avoid a rational and based discussion.
In addtion, you Might be happy again if Mauricio Macri becomes the new president of Argentina. A “constructive” dialogue might restored for the “good” from “both sides”. It seems the FI cannot live without the nod of their hated neighbor. Living scared and hating but desiring regular contact with Argentina is your fate.
@23
Apr 27th, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be ideal if the FALKLANDS and Argentina got on, but as you know argies are not good at honesty and break all sorts of agreements and treaties apart from owing a huge amount of money to honest investors who thought that Argentina was honourable. How much was it US$ 70 billion. Once bitten twice shy, I would certainly like your opinion as to why we should trust you now.
Tell me what could Argentina bring to the table that the UK could not?
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Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Preference has a lot to do with it...
International organisations Prefer to act within established International Law....
Specifically the recognition of Governments...
Where the recognition of governments is concerned, the central element is the exercise of sovereign authority over the state.
FIG do not exercise sovereign authority over the state and therefore are not recognised under international law as a government....
The government that does exercise authority over the state is the UK...
@23
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Take it easy, pg. Nobody wants to deprive Arjunteena of your precious sense of victimhood. It's good for years to come, in my view.
Argentina is doing the right move….. The UK is a decadent country (with little prestige in Europe; and left out of the important meetings as has being the last meetings between Putin and Merkel),…. So forcing the speed of the decadence is the right move to do ….. You can bet that France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Rusia, etc…. are happy with the situation.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0EXCLUSIVE: 'Falklanders would have BETTER lives under Argentina's rule' says minister
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FALKLAND islanders would be “stress-free, more democratic and have better lives” under Argentine rule, the country’s minister for the islands has said.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/571405/Argentina-oil-cash-Falklands?_ga=1.247895815.1874739550.1429985436
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QESTION,
Why does Argentina have a minister for the Falkland Islands?
Why has the Falkland Islands government and the British government NOT objected to this,
Surely no country has a legal right to appoint a minister to another country without that countries permission,
Just a question.
p/s
could the Falkland’s appoint a minister for Argentina..??
@28
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The minister is the “ Minister of the Islas Malvinas ” wherever that is.
Briton....
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anything is possible...
I heard the UK has a Ministry of Silly Walks...
I know you won't believe it, but here's your proof...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w
@25 Nipper
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wish you'd make up your mind. In @15, it was a question of preference and now in @25 it's a matter of international law. But that at least should make it easy to clear up one way or another. Which is the international law that requires a state to handle matters related to cemeteries through its Foreign Ministry? Which indeed is the international law that requires a state to have a Foreign Ministry in the first place? No need to quote the whole thing, just a link will do.
@27
Oh my goodness! Which other countries were present at Merkel's meeting with Putin?
EXCLUSIVE: Trident nuclear submarines to be moved to Gibraltar amid SNP threat
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GIBRALTAR has been earmarked as a possible base for Britain’s Vanguard nuclear submarines if the SNP ¬succeeds in ridding Scotland of Trident.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/572986/Gibraltar-Trident-nuclear-submarines-SNP
rumours’ rumours.
Voice, eye will look at the link.
31@:
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Putin and Merkel were laughing about UK priorities..... :))
The British priorities :
- is the EU country with biggest military budget.
- is the country with more warmongers.
- is the country with more people living in the past as the present is awful.
- at present the situation is horrendous: the poverty and the misery life conditions that is suffering the British population is outrageous.
Make the sum…. And you will find why the UK maintain alive this ridiculous colonial situation.....it is the photography of a pathetic decadent country.... what a shame.
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http://money.aol.co.uk/2013/11/28/uk-state-pension-is-lowest-in-europe/
It's official: the British state pension at a maximum £110.15 a week is the most miserable in Europe. Compared to average income, even Hungary and Slovenia better the pension benefits 12.3m British pensioners receive, according to a new OECD report.
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But,…. But,…. “A man,…. We have an Empire….we won the WAR ... Don´t we?.”
:))
Make the sum…. And you will find why the Argentine government maintain alive this ridiculous colonial situation.....it is the photography of a pathetic decadent country.... what a shame.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voice= well Argentina is welcome to ask the FCO in London to contact FIG but they have to understand and ASK FCO to contact FIG as it is not a British decision- that fact will be made very clear to Argentina by the FCO if and when they ever ask.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly Argentina has NOT asked London.
Apol0gies for missing off the V - a typo!
31
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The basis of International Law concerning States and Statehood was set out at the Vienna Convention....
read it yourself....
let's see what the ICRC prefer shall we...
“The ICRC is one of the largest and most respected humanitarian and non-state actors in the international system. Its efforts have provided aid and protection to victims of armed struggle in numerous conflicts for over a century.
The ICRC prefers to engage STATES directly and relies on low-key and confidential negotiations”
Oh dear...someone might inform the FIG...then they might realise why there has been no word to them...
Argentina can wait ........ meanwhile the UK is in a quickly decaying.... There is not hurry!!
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Confratulations.... UK is number one in Europe:
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http://www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/teenage-pregnancy
Teenage birth is often associated with poverty and social issues: such as alcohol and drugs abuse.
The UK has the highest percentage of teenage pregnancies in Western Europe
The UK has the highest teenage birth and abortion rates in Western Europe(1,2). Rates of teenage births are five times those in the Netherlands, double those in France and more than twice those in Germany
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Your empire your priorities… right?...... :))
It's official: the British state pension at a maximum £110.15 a week is the most miserable in Europe
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 033 Viriato1
So please tell us what this equates to in Argentine money,
it would be interesting to compare the British pension, to the more wealthy argentine pension,
please enlighten us///anyone//
The ICRC will not do anything until ALL and I repeat ALL the relatives of the deceased give their blessing and we know that is not going to happen.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 Nipper
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And where does it say that the state cannot delegate cemetery management to whichever constituent part of itself it likes?
38:
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are spot on ……. UK don´t have any resemblance with Continental Europe, is playing in another división …. After decades of decadence the UK can only be compared, positively, with Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, India, etc
You are right...... :))
Answer the question, what is the comparison between British pensions, and the wealthy argentine pensions,
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if your pension is that great perhaps millions of brits will retire to Argentina..lolol
In fact, socially speaking, UK resemblance a third world country... that is dreaming in his past.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can wait ..... :)
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No one seems upset that in modern Britain, old people are freezing to death as hidden taxes make fuel more expensive
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/elder/9959856/Its-the-cold-not-global-warming-that-we-should-be-worried-about.html
“People don't ignore starving people, so why should we ignore cold people? ... will claim 30,000 lives, making it one of the biggest killers in the country. ... some 250,000 Brits have died from the cold.”
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Your empire your priorities… right?.
@24
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What IMPORTANT benefits, and advantages, would bring to Argentina a “good” relationship with the FI (with the current political status)?
Tourism (only a few ships) ? Oil (at U$D 50 the barrel)? Fisheries?
“Cooperation” in acount of what?
Argentina must improve its relationship with Europe and USA where its cultural ruths are. UK can be left on a side since countries such as France, Germany or Italy have all what are needed in Argentina but....What on the hell with the FI? FI historically wanted to take advantage of argentine people.
@32
A british submarine in Gibraltar?...is it usefull there? What about one (two or three) nuclear submarine in the South Atlantic?.....it will be useless. But you can bring them to increase the “defense bill” at the end of the year. It's up to UK taxpayers after all.....
35
Apr 27th, 2015 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine Govt could not deal directly with my local cemetery for an exhumation they would need to go through the relevant authority that acts on behalf of the UK...the FCO...
A simple question... does the FCO act of behalf of the Falkland Islands in matters of a diplomatic and international nature...?
The FCO will then instruct LOCAL Government to deal with it....
Why pretend that the local government will be making any decisions concerning this matter....The UK will say “Jump” and the FIG will ask, “How High”
How does the UK state pension compare worldwide?
Apr 27th, 2015 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://conversation.which.co.uk/money/uk-state-pension-comparison-serps/
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cant seem to find argy pensions, perhaps they hide them,
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44, it was a report apparently denied by the MOD,
apparently there are 34 miles of tunnels nuclear proof under the rock and eye presume under the water.
Argentina can wait.... :)
Apr 27th, 2015 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0______________________________________________________
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-25198/NHS-corridors-shame.html
The state of the NHS exposes hospitals still plagued by Third World conditions
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But,…. But,…. “A man,…. We have an Empire….we won the WAR ... Don´t we?.”
:))
Bla bla bla , whoops. cough.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 Nipper
Apr 27th, 2015 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's perfectly simple :
1. Argentina writes to the FCO saying we'd like to exhume some bodies in the Falklands.
2. The FCO writes back saying, under British constitutional arrangements, the authority for exhumations in the Falklands is the FIG. Please take it up with them.
3. Argentina replies “Screech! You're not allowed to have that constitutional arrangement”.
4. UK replies “Says who? We are sovereign and independent state and in the absence of treaties to the contrary we will manage our cemeteries however we damn well please”
5. Answer comes there none.
@44
The advantages of maturity are hard to quantify, but why not try it and see?
47
Apr 27th, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have the monopoly on ellipses.....
This town ain't big enough for both of us
And it ain't me who's gonna leave.....
Starve the trolls.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 048@ Briton:
Apr 27th, 2015 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I encourage you to follow your politics…. You are making a terrible good job.
Meanwhile the rest of Europe (and the World) is laughing of you.
A country that cannot afford to give a humanitarian and dignified life, in their last days. to their oldies but instead prefer to play the Rule Britannia game is pathetic at the most. (and the World know it)
But,..... I encourage you to follow...... Get it?
It is just fun ...... :))
@49
Apr 27th, 2015 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try to improve the relationships with the Province of Tierra del Fuego. There are people there (with their rights, with their “self determintation” rights, with their freely and democratically elected governor, with a local parliament...).
Having good relationship with the TDF islanders will bring some benefits to the Falklands islanders (but almost none to TDF islanders) but it will be a good stept for the F Islanders interests....
But ..... Why to have good relations with somebody? ….. British cannot have friends anywhere … only have a queen….. and millions of plebs to be used.... the queen can have friends not you a pleb.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:))
@53
Apr 27th, 2015 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it was tried. Not long after their fascist military dictatorship of the time invaded, the UK put together a whole bunch of agreements with Arjuntina intended to restore good relations and confidence over time. But those dang islanders just wouldn't understand Arjunteen hospitality and the principle of of “tu casa, mi casa” . What can you do?
Everyone has different priorities:
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Dying of the cold: a very British disease
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/03/dying-of-the-cold-a-very-british-disease/
“The Norwegians can joke about the british, because there, people don't really die of the cold. In Britain, we do of cold and poverty.”Every winter in the UK, 25,000-30,000 people die in fuel poverty”.
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But,…. But,…. “A man,…. We have an Empire….we won the WAR ... Don´t we?.”
:))
I don't know what is funnier on this thread.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voice who vainly tried to bait people for hours on end.
Or Viriato1 who just copies and pastes the exact same thing again and again.
Skip@58: I am having good laughs.... and I am not Argentinian.... :))))
Apr 27th, 2015 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can wait ........ meanwhile the UK is in a quickly decaying.... There is not hurry!!
Confratulations.... UK is number one in Europe ..... :))
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Britain 'one of the worst places in Europe to grow up'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5189273/Britain-one-of-the-worst-places-in-Europe-to-grow-up.html
Britain is one of the worst places in Europe to be a child, it is claimed.
A comparison of health, education and housing standards in 29 states across the continent puts the UK in 24th place – far below smaller and poorer countries such as Slovakia and Hungary.
The new report echoes a study published two years ago by Unicef that concluded Britain was the worst country in the industrialised world in which to grow up.
The only countries rated worse than Britain were Romania, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania and Malta.
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Your empire your priorities… right?...... :))
@57
Apr 27th, 2015 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spamming. They've tried everything else, trolling, sock puppets, false flags, paullution, it's about all they've got left.
Britain and United States: where the worst riots in the “1st world” have happened in the last 5 years.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Coincidence?
Or are they even 1st world at all?
Burn baby burn
(is back... just as I predicted)
Hans, agreed.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voice literally spent the whole night (my time) posting the same thing and no one cared.
Viriato1 is yet another new poster who isn't Argentine but will keep secret their location and nationality. How many times have we heard that one before?
Scroll!
And Nostrils is predicting riots in other countries....... well I predict the sun will rise tomorrow. Doesn't take any great ability to make some predictions.
I checked to see if the UK or US governments have been toppled or if their societies had descended into anarchy..... nope!
Not just any country, the country you insist on is inhabited by a superior race to the argentines.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Anglo.
The British priorities :
Apr 27th, 2015 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- is the EU country with biggest military budget.
- is the country with more warmongers.
- is the country with more people living in the past as the present is awful.
- at present the situation is horrendous: the poverty and the misery life conditions that is suffering the British population is outrageous.
Make the sum…. And you will find why the UK maintain alive this ridiculous colonial situation.....it is the photography of a pathetic decadent country.... what a shame.
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And,..... meanwhile:
UK is placed in the bottom third of the infant mortality league table with a rate of 4.4 deaths per 1,000 live births, approximately double the rate of Sweden or Finland.
The lowest rates of further education in the developed world, with fewer than 75% of young people studying, compared with more than 80% in all of the other populous developed countries; one of the highest rates of young people not in education, employment, or training (Neets), affecting 10% of 15 to 19-year- olds, and the UK is one of only three OECD countries with teenage pregnancy rates above 30 per 1,000.
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Your empire your priorities… right?...... :))
57
Apr 27th, 2015 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vanity has nothing to do with it....I saw the headline and thought...
I've got this one covered...
Bring on the cannon fodder...
Unfortunately the smart ones didn't take the bait, knowing the facts are not stacked in their favour...
63
UK bashing is already covered by Toby....you might want to use a different tack....
.....One that doesn't involve ellipses....
UK bashing? I just state the facts.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right now a US city near their capital is burning down.
Imagine if La Plata was burning down right now what the anti-argie trolls would be saying of argies!!
burn baby burn
The British priorities :
Apr 27th, 2015 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- is the EU country with biggest military budget.
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Meanwhile:
UN narcotics chief: Manchester, Birmingham and Liverpool are comparable to Brazil and Mexico for their 'no-go' áreas.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107552/Manchester-Liverpool-Birmingham-areas-drugs-gangs--just-like-Mexico-Brazil.html
British cities have lawless ‘no-go areas’ comparable with the most dangerous parts of Brazil, Mexico and the U.S., according to a United Nations drugs chief.
Professor Hamid Ghodse claimed Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester are on a par with the drug and murder capitals of the world.
The president of the International Narcotics Control Board said the police had lost control of parts of these cities, and drugs gangs had taken over.
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But,…. But,…. “A man,…. We have an Empire….we won the WAR ... Didn´t we?.”
:))
65
Apr 27th, 2015 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I get it....instead of doing a little research and showing why Argentina should not address the Falklands Government...and why the Red Cross will not have contacted the FIG, I should have just said....Burn baby burn.....
let me try that...
There is social unrest in major cities across various Anglo nations, according to various social media sites...
Burn baby burn...
I think it's lacking lustre....and a certain....je ne sais quoi..
I maybe haven't got the hang of it....
The Falklands are British people living there. I choose to leave them alone.
Apr 27th, 2015 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 068@:
Apr 27th, 2015 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I choose to leave them alone,,,,,”
....... or to join the four and a half million British families in which no one has ever had a job for two generations........get foully drunk and vomit all over the streets of Britains cities at every possible opportunity....breed children and dump them in the care of the social services and generally operate at an animal level.
But ..... they won the WAR ....... :)))
68
Apr 27th, 2015 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok...sooo...you do not support your Governments stance...
You do not care whether there is a historical claim...for Argentina...
You are quite happy for there to be a fait accompli....
...and you are quite happy to have a British colony on your doorstep and a base of operations for the future Antarctic grab....
...fair enough...
So what exactly is your point...?
@55
Apr 28th, 2015 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Including part of TDF in a one sided declared exclussion zone, flying over their heads with RAF planes and spying them was not appreciated by TDF islanders.
It seems that this are not things they liked...keep on trying...
May be you must start thinking about offering something that can bring them some benefits otherwise I don´t think they will change their mind.
@70
Apr 28th, 2015 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British won't get their grubby, covetous hands on Antarctica. They have a flimsy “discovery claim” which cannot be proven, and a weak “date of claim” argument that means nothing (and they themselves have argued themselves out of that one since the UK has stated innumerable times that Argentina's “claim” on the Falklands has no legal force).
Argentina has historical presence, population, geographic, geologic, and occupational claims which are far stronger and relevant.
The Falklands are only relevant in this matter if the British decided to militarily drive Argentina out of Antarctica, which would show the entire planet for once and for all in the era of instant video, tweets, texts, an apps what they have always been about.
@71 pgerman
Apr 28th, 2015 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's really, really unfair that the dastardly Brits should respond to the Poor, Poor Republic of Arjunteena by defending themselves every single time the PPRA tries to invade, or that the DBs should keep want to a close eye on the PPRA's harmless Malvinista culture of machismo, masochismo, hand wringing victimhod, bile, and 1930s style populist demagoguery. Why oh why would anybody not want to trust the PPRA when all they want to do is deny British citizens their fundamental human rights, in violation of every treaty they've ever signed and every agreement they've ever entered into? Tsk, tsk, tsk.
@69
Apr 28th, 2015 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I live in a large city in the UK and the description “or to join the four and a half million British families in which no one has ever had a job for two generations........get foully drunk and vomit all over the streets of Britains cities at every possible opportunity....breed children and dump them in the care of the social services and generally operate at an animal level.” is not something with which I am very familiar. In fact, it is a load of utter nonsense!
In fact, I am confident that there are a higher proportion of unemployed/underemployed and socially deprived citizens in Argentina than there are in Britain.
@72 Tobi
Apr 28th, 2015 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina has historical presence, population, geographic, geologic, and occupational claims which are far stronger and relevant.”
Sorry, Tobi, but in the 21st century none of these are strong or relevant at all.
Your rather pathetic attempt to implant an illegal garrison in Antarctica might have made a difference if it were still 1833 or thereabouts, if you hadn't signed a treaty explicitly accepting that it did not make any difference, and perhaps also if you were actually able to supply it without third countries coming to the rescue every five minutes. But outside the Argentine time warp, nobody cares.
The more interesting aspect is that many signatories of the Antarctic Treaty have yet to experience for themselves the importance Argentina attaches to the agreements it has entered into, so we can probably expect yet another plummet in Argentina's reputation and credibility when the Treaty comes up for renewal.
@66
Apr 28th, 2015 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just like Mexico.
Except, there's no mass graves, no bodies hanging from road bridges , no headless corpses, no kidnappings, no missing college students and no armed vigilantes.
Daily Mail? Gotta sell copy!!!
@76
Apr 28th, 2015 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's only surprising it's taken them this long to come up with this spamming strategy.
When you have no argument that can stand up to 15 minutes with a browser and search engine, and when you have no achievements of your own to speak of, quite the reverse, in fact, all you've got left is to denigrate your opponent.
It helps, of course, if your opponent is an open democracy with a free press and no cultural impediment to recognising its own problems and discuss them openly. Even better when it supports a horror comic for the middle classes such as the Daily Mail. Much of your work is done for you.
The only problem is, it makes no difference to your own status as a hopeless untrustworthy deadbeat.
77@Hans:
Apr 28th, 2015 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don´t be deluded..... I just give you facts from the Telegraph, Guardian , the daily.... and links to the UN, EU, OECD, the UK Government, Unicef, etc, etc..... They all said the same: The UK resemblance a third World country .
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And,..... meanwhile:
UK is placed in the bottom third of the infant mortality league table with a rate of 4.4 deaths per 1,000 live births, approximately double the rate of the European countries.
The lowest rates of further education in the developed world, with fewer than 75% of young people studying, compared with more than 80% in all of the other populous developed countries; one of the highest rates of young people not in education, employment, or training (Neets), affecting 10% of 15 to 19-year- olds, and the UK is one of only three OECD countries with teenage pregnancy rates above 30 per 1,000.
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Your empire your priorities… right?...... :))
@78 Instead of simply saying that your sources of information are The UN, EU, OECD, the UK Government, and prominent British newspapers you really should give us dates of these publications and names of the studies indicated. Without these verifications, I repeat, your comments are nonsense and mean nothing.
Apr 28th, 2015 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 079@ gordito:
Apr 28th, 2015 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go to the links... and read.... it will be a new experience for you.... but you will find it that it is worth it.
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New child mortality figures put UK firmly at bottom of Western European league table:
http://www.rcpch.ac.uk/news/new-child-mortality-figures-put-uk-firmly-bottom-western-european-league-table
Deaths per 1,000 live births for under 5’s. : UK =4.9
The UK has similar under-5 mortality rates to Eastern European states of Poland and Macedonia
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UNICEF’s latest Report Card compares child well-being in the world’s richest countries. The report is a follow-up to Report Card 7, which in 2007 placed the UK at the bottom of 21 developed countries for overall child well-being.
http://www.rcpch.ac.uk/news/new-child-mortality-figures-put-uk-firmly-bottom-western-european-league-table
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But,…. But,…. “A man,…. We have an Empire….we won the WAR ... Didn´t we?.”
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- is the EU country with biggest military budget.
Apr 28th, 2015 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- is the country with more warmongers.
Yet you continually attempt to provoke said heavily armed island of war mongers?
Didn't end terribly well for you last time did it ?
I wouldnt continually attempt to provoke the only country thats invaded afghanistan five times! we may not be very bright but we are way better at war than you are .
Wow!
Apr 28th, 2015 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks to Viriato1 I have just learnt that Argentina'sunder 5 child mortality is about 14 per 1,000.
No wonder the Falkland Islanders prefer to be British.
79@ gordito:
Apr 28th, 2015 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go to the links... and read.... it will be a new experience for you.... but you will find it that it is worth it.
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New child mortality figures put UK firmly at bottom of Western European league table:
http://www.rcpch.ac.uk/news/new-child-mortality-figures-put-uk-firmly-bottom-western-european-league-table
Deaths per 1,000 live births for under 5’s. : UK =4.9
The UK has similar under-5 mortality rates to Eastern European states of Poland and Macedonia
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UNICEF’s latest Report Card compares child well-being in the world’s richest countries. The report is a follow-up to Report Card 7, which in 2007 placed the UK at the bottom of 21 developed countries for overall child well-being.
http://www.rcpch.ac.uk/news/new-child-mortality-figures-put-uk-firmly-bottom-western-european-league-table
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But,…. But,…. “A man,…. We have an Empire….we won the WAR ... Didn´t we?.”
:))
I think Stevie is off his meds
Apr 28th, 2015 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Break down is imminent
5 4 3 2 1
I hope the monitor will make some effort to rid us of this idiot VIRIATO1 who is posting rubbish on all the current threads. His comments have nothing to do with the matters being discussed and affects out ability to debate properly.
Apr 28th, 2015 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25 Voice
Apr 28th, 2015 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any request would come from the Red Cross and go to the FLG, only way it could happen.
The Red Cross are quite used to this type of situation, having to deal with the realities on the ground.
Similarly any response would be via the Red Cross, and any subsequent actions would be done by the Red Cross.
The FLG would make the decision and the Argy Gov would not have to deal with them direct, if they chose to believe someone else made the decision that would be a matter for them.
No one loses face.
The problem is getting all the relatives to agree to the action in the first place, IF that happens, the mechanics will not be an issue.
@71 pgerman
And what precisely is in TDF that the British could possibly have any interest in Spying on??????
Or that could not be viewed from a spy satellite.
@72 Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL
Tobi you have reached new heights of talking complete rubbish.
Laughable, absolutely laughable.
Your “population” in Antarctica has been implanted on what has been prescribed British Territory since long before modern Argentina ever existed, never mind started making claims of its own.
Geographic – Well you are closer than Uruguay, but sorry further away than S. Georgia.
Geologic – Different tectonic plate as well as another one in between.
Occupational – On what is already British Territory is not any sort of a claim, is it?
However you are entirely correct about the usefulness of the Military Base in the Falklands and the removal of illegal Argentine Ocupas, from British Antarctic Territory.
@83 Viriato1
You must be in training for a Malvinazi Pub Quiz competition.
72
Apr 28th, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Under estimate the power of the UK military at your peril.
Thought you had learnt that lesson in 1982. Obviously not!
People-
Apr 28th, 2015 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Viriato1
Is just a pre-recorded message, don't waste your time.
Meanwhile back on topic ??
#62
Apr 28th, 2015 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Got it in one....full marks ! I see you can get something right, on occasions.
“The elected government of the Falkland Islands (FIG) has not received any formal request from Argentina or the International Red Cross, ICRC to exhume and identify Argentine soldiers buried at Darwin, according to the last edition of Penguin News, the Falklands' weekly.”
Apr 29th, 2015 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would appear that the plastic lady and the rest of the deadbeats that make up her government seriously expect the ICRC to just walk into the Falklands and do their bidding without going through all the diplomatic procedures. These include getting the consent of the NOK of the dead Argentine soldiers and the permission for FIG to carry out the exhumations. And, for good measure take a couple of argies along to suoervise the work.
This behaviour is indicative of their thinking in their attempts to usurp control of the Falklands – We can’t take them by force, (we tried that and got our ass kicked), we can’t convince any legal jurisdiction of the veracity of our claim, so we will try and persuade, cajole, convince somebody else (in this case the ICRC) to do our dirty work for us.
They are not interested in establishing the identities of the unknown soldiers; all they want to do is try and impose some measure of sovereignty, however minor, over the Falklands.
Get real people and try standing on your own feet!
21 pgerman (#) I don't know why ships or aircraft in distress would call on Argentina, as they have sod all navy to send out for a search and assistance. Perhaps the British assets in the small islands in the South Atlantic would be more readily available, suitable and servicable?
Apr 30th, 2015 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@91
May 01st, 2015 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you do Argentina a disservice, they have a plethary of rowboats and pedallos at their disposable. In fact I know that they have several canoes available.
@92 golfcronie,
May 01st, 2015 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0And a type 23 semi-submersible.
Not a destroyer & not a submarine, but it does lay on its side, lol!
@ 93 lsolde
May 01st, 2015 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinian Stealth technology, lowers the profile and reduces the radar signature.
@72
May 03rd, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Argentina has:
historical presence.
How long for?
Britain's historical presence =1765-1774
Plus a naval presence around the Falklands (unchallenged by the Spanish garrisons) 1774 onwards, including, up to the 1830s.
1833-1982 (April-June 1982 but as the Islanders were still on the Islands that too can be seen as a British presence)-from then till present=exclusive British presence.
Argentina's presence for how long?
Population. There have been people from the United Provinces on the Islands in the late 1820s and early 1830s. But there were also many Europeans (Germans, British, French) and other nationalities other than from the United Provinces, i.e from the USA and Jamaica. But for how long? Interestingly most of the people present in 1833 were from the United Provinces, so why did they agree to British nationality when they were allowed to stay on the Islands?
Geographic
Not in 1833-the United Provinces were over 1000 miles from the Falklands-that makes the then nearest population , the Indigenous tribes of Terra del Fuego, who did not claim the Islands.
Geologic.
The Falklands broke off from South Africa when a single continent broke up, not from the South American side.
Falklands geology is linked to that of South Africa.
“Occupational claims which are far stronger and relevant.”
What, Argentines have occupied the Falklands for over 189 years?
How can occupational claims of no more than 8 years at best be' more relevant' than a combined occupation of 189 years?
@95 Pete Bog
May 04th, 2015 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your arguments are all sound, but you are wasting your time arguing with morons like #72.
None are so blind as those who will not see.
#80
May 04th, 2015 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Deaths per 1,000 live births for under 5’s. : UK =4.9
Deaths per 1,000 live births for under 5’s : Argentina = 9.96
So, what is the point that you are trying to make ? That Argentina is 2 X worse than the UK ? Are you boasting about this ?
Any more gems of wisdom idiot ?
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