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Falklands: “We are an Overseas Territory, very content with the status and endorsed in the 2013 referendum”
The Falkland Islands are very pleased with their current political and democratic status based on the UN charter and confirmed in the 2013 referendum, enjoy a prosperous economy with emphasis on social policies and environment conservation and have good neighborly relations with nearby countries, except for Argentina that “continues to ignore our people's right to self-determination and covet our territory”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesvery well said!
May 21st, 2015 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nicely crafted letter, laying out the obvious conclusions, and the precedent of Caledonia.
May 21st, 2015 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure the Chair will find a way to slough off the challenge to fulfills his obligations to assist the Islands.
Won't do much for his integrity, though.
Racism and bigotry, pure and simple!
“we would not require British troops at all”
May 21st, 2015 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shouldn't that just be....”we would not require troops at all”
..after all Phyl...you are British....
“Falkland Islands’ economy has grown year on year from a Government expenditure budget of approximately £5 million per annum in the early eighties to £54million in the current financial year,”
...yet you still have dirt track roads.....for goodness sake you have had 30 years to surface them...
Of course you are a colony...who controls your police force...?
Can your Government...your laws and your legislation be suspended by the UK Govt at the drop of a hat...?
The answer is Yes... you are... “a territory under immediate political control of a state“
”Please make us the next territory that you visit in order to fulfill your work.”
...but remember to bring a Landrover or a tractor for the gravel roads....
3 predictable predictable predictable....
May 21st, 2015 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 'wee man' and his knee jerk contrarian stand - designed to elicit a response and attention for himself, as usual.
If I were to say Maggie Thatcher did NOT have 2 heads, he would go out of his way to say she did... and start calling Terence Hill names, etc. etc.
yawn...
Boring... boring .... little troll....
Terence Hill....puts up a great fight...puts a lot of research and effort into his arguments....
May 21st, 2015 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0..unlike the sycophant puppet that never has an argument....
Maggie did...she had a head and probably gave head...that makes two...
5 wee man
May 21st, 2015 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Maggie did...she had a head and probably gave head...that makes two...”
thanks, troll - I rest my case.
:-)
Dirt roads make a country a colony.
May 21st, 2015 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Will have to remember that one.
Of course, if the Islanders had Argentine governance, they'd have paved highways, superior education, low inflation, less crime and corruption with minimal inflation. Falklanders would enjoy a higher income with a stable economy...
May 21st, 2015 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0And Argentina was not there? Did she get any support?
May 21st, 2015 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Civilised islands with a bunch of savages next door
May 21st, 2015 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's see:
May 21st, 2015 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are there dirt track roads in Scotland?
Who controls Scotland's police force?
Can Scotland's government, laws and legislation be suspended by the UK Government at the drop of a hat?
Yes, you are a territory under immediate political control of the state.
Are there dirt roads in Argentina? Remembering back many years YES. In fact we had to modify the IKA Renault Jeeps rear brake hoses to protect them from being smashed to pieces. I wonder if they ever paved the road from Portezuelo Grande to Neuquen?
May 21st, 2015 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 011
May 21st, 2015 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are no dirt track roads in Scotland that are a public highway...All Tarmac...
“Yes, you are a territory under immediate political control of the state.”
...Doh!....was that the most stupid understatement of the year...fer fecks sake...WTF do you think the IndyRef was about....?
@13
May 21st, 2015 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what do you think the FALKLANDS referendum was? It was a DEMOCRATIC vote. It was what the population wanted in both cases.
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May 21st, 2015 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0yeah a vote to remain a colony.....
The Falklands referendum was a vote to NEVER associate the islands with any kind of corrupt Argentine governance...
May 21st, 2015 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Voice,
May 21st, 2015 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0We happen to LIKE dirt roads.
Next irrelevant, deflecting statement.
Yeah Isolde..that's why you all need 4x4's...remind me again which Islander owns the only dealership for 4x4'x.....;-))))
May 21st, 2015 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0What about the supermarket...which Islander owns that...?
Shall I go on.....?
I don't think I have the space....
lets see:
May 21st, 2015 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We are an Overseas Territory”
no, you are an anachronistic colony.
“The Falkland Islands are very pleased with their current political and democratic status ...”
what democratic?
they are ruled by an anachronistic viceroy elected by a 350 year queen, who inherited her charge from her mother.
it is the opposite to the concept of democracy.
”...and have good neighborly relations with nearby countries, except for Argentina that “continues to ignore our people's right to self-determination and covet our territory”.
as far as the whole world knows, none of the nearby or non-nearby countries recognizes the islets as a country.
they all recognizes them as a colony.
they all support argentina in its claims.
they all are against 21st century colonialism, and they all are against the militarisation of the south atlantic.
no doubts the isolation of the islets will increase more and more through the years.
it is unacceptable to have an alien military base in our wonderful continent.
Puly/voice/think - from a land full of aliens thats rich! Go back to Espana slaughterers of the indiginous… You three just proved everything the lady says about Argentina's aggression, thank you! C24 please take note…
May 21st, 2015 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0...Mmm...quick shufty at all the posts....
May 21st, 2015 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0....“You three just proved everything the lady says”
Ever thought of taking remedial addition...?
Poor little Paulie- yet again!
May 21st, 2015 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK - Facts:
Both Chilean and Uruguyan Govt Departments communicate Direct with Falkland Islands Govt Departmentsd that affect each Country in matters of trade and Communications etc - That means those 2 South American Governments Recognize the existence of the Govt of the Falkland islands AS the Govt of the Falkland Islands.
They do NOT talk only to London like you silly arses do.
What powers does our governor have that control my daily life in my Country that I do not want? - Answer is NONE.
Fact- if our Legislative Assembly was unhappy with his actions we could appeal to London and they would REMOVE and REPLACE him - got it?
Even under the old system a Gov was withdrawn back in the 1970s.
He and the UK can ONLY intervene in our Internal Govt and suspend it if there is direct evidence and proof of wrong doings and corruption etc my our Assembly against the principles of democracy as written in the constituition- it is democracy safety net.
Tell me - who can stop your Govt in Argentian from corruption etc etc-? Those that try to seem to “have fatal accidents”!
Oh and do look it up arse - Queen Elizabeth 2nd is 89! never heard of anyone living to 350 you dumbo.
Another Question for you to answer please - Why did so many people who are on our Electoral Role but are NOT British by birth or original culture - Vote for the Falklands to remain a British Overseas territory in 2013?
Even some of those who are Argentine origen voted this way!
The UN proves, yet again, how weak they are when it comes to ensuring their sub-committees adhere to their mandates.
May 21st, 2015 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Banki Moon has the perfect name: he seems to live on the moon for most of the time. As for the heads of department knowing anything about the subject they are 'leading', forget it.
Useless organization.
Voicy of the USSR - Useless Scotch Socialist Republic, dirt roads? All over the world. Ever been to Namibia, the Stans? Of course not you have been nowhere, you're Scotch, you couldnt afford it. For a Scotch person you are very hostile to the Falkland Islands. Why is that? Were you thown out? Were you humiliated? Was it because of those nasty Yanks down the loch? Do tell? You wear your resentment like a petulant child.
May 21st, 2015 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 022
May 21st, 2015 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0So we are talking about figures now...
Pray do tell us how many voted that were NOT British Citizens...
Then...
Tell us about the one-third of the population of 2,900 that were not entitled to vote...
Hardly a democratic vote...if you ask me...only two thirds allowed...
With respect to all our doughty supporters, Phyl's speech was not about whether we have unsurfaced roads (and we have about 900km of them connecting all the main population centres, built during the last 25 years) it was about the amazing progress we have made economically, socially and politically since the war. Don't let one prat steal the conversation, that is their tactic.
May 21st, 2015 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0A GDP per capita equal to northern Europe, 3 years recurrent expenditure in reserves and no borrowing, low crime rate, no corruption, quality education, flourishing private sector running our industries.
That is the Falklands message. The Argies don't like it because they are jealous of our success.........tough.
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May 21st, 2015 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a thought: What status does Argentina give to that Chinese base-with it's own laws- on Argentinian soil?
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May 21st, 2015 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0...and what was your GDP before the Royal Navy enforced the fishing licences...
...That would be the British Royal Navy...paid for by the people of Britain...
also...
If you want to know what a real democratic vote is about....Look to Scotland...
Every person that officially lives here...Was entitled to vote in the referendum...no matter what their nationality....
How many “Islanders” that also reside in the UK got to vote in the Falklands Referendum...
It was a biased and rigged Vote...
let's see:
May 21st, 2015 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0if this lady or you all were so democratic, the first thing you should have done is to reject the presence of that useless viceroy you have there.
all his records can be summarized in this:
“Colin Roberts, the FCO's director of overseas territories, told the US that there would be no ”Man Fridays“ on the islands and said: ”We do not regret the removal of the population.“
about the support of the nearby countries, read this:
”Neighbors rally to support Argentina over Falklands“
”London, England (CNN) -- A number of Latin American countries have rushed to offer their support to Argentina in its long-running territorial dispute with Britain over the Falkland Islands.“
”Ecuador's President Rafael Correa offered his country's “unconditional support” to Argentina, while his Chilean counterpart Michelle Bachelet said, “We not only support our sister republic's claims to the Malvinas islands but every year we present its case to the United Nations' Special Committee on Decolonization.”
as you can see not even chile supports the anachronistic colony in the islets.
Call yourselves what you like...but don't try to fool the World into thinking that you are more than a British Colony that legally exists at the whim of the UK Govt...
May 21st, 2015 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0An Extravagant burden on the British Taxpayer, tolerated only as a future logistical support area for the future Antarctic steal.....
Maybe Argentina and Scotland could team up, they are very similar in many respects. Sit whining together whilst their countries fall behind further and further.
May 21st, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina and Scotland are largely irrelevant in the world and increasingly more so, neither have the strength of their convictions to do what they say, all fur coat and no knickers.
At least the Falklands have a balanced budget, unlike Scotland who are 8 billion short and need to beg this from the English to survive. And as for Argentina, jesus where do you start.
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May 21st, 2015 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I heard the people of Manchester want to join Scotland...it was all over the news...;-))
...plus
how did you like the Election result...? Oh dear..it's not your month is it...?
29 - And with all that support, where has it got you eh? Nowhere.. You're no closer to colonizing the Falklands then you were 30 years ago. It's amusing to watch you people put so much emphasis on support which makes not a blind bit of difference to the status quo. I bet the Falkland Islanders go to bed each night sobbing their little hearts out, wishing they had the same useless support as Argentina so that they too could achieve absolutely nothing with it.
May 21st, 2015 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Off you trot to the ICJ, Argentina. Talking about dirt roads and 4x4's will get you about as far as all that international support has, so far..
@3. Many countries, including argieland, scotland, northern Ireland, most of Africa, Russia have dirt track roads. So what?
May 21st, 2015 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Royal Falkland Islands Police was created by the then-Legislative Council in 1846.
“Can your Government...your laws and your legislation be suspended by the UK Govt at the drop of a hat...?” The real answer is “No”. The UK has the duty, under the UN Trustee system, to ensure good governance.
Your contentions are ludicrous.
@9. Argieland shouldn't be anywhere. In relation to a UN Pre-C24 Assembly, what pretext would argieland use. The C-24 has no mandate to determine sovereignty. Argieland has no 'right' to say anything on the 'colonial' status of the Falkland Islands. Indeed, I think it's about time that the UK objected to the presence of argieland and other latam places in a defined situation.
Whether it should be anywhere in other contexts, or should even exist, is a separate matter.
@13. A referendum that had to be authorised by the UK government. And when the UK government decides that it's had enough, dissolves the scottish parliament and government and imposes martial law.....?
@15. Scotland is a colony!
@18. Oh no, do go on. Let's see now, who is the only supplier Glenfiddich whisky? Wonder how many towns in the UK have one or no supermarkets?
@19. Shut up, you arse. What is your cesspit? A 159-year old criminal conspiracy based on genocide. A 'president' that, if I read your oft-ignored 'constitution' correctly, shouldn't even be allowed to hold office at any level. A Spanish-German. A criminal guilty of mass corruption and theft. A police farce that regularly commits murder.
Do enjoy your 'everyone supports us' fallacy. Just remember how many of you criminals died trying to impose your will. The Falkland Islanders are NOT isolated. They are in our thoughts every day. Remember who is better than you. Nearly everyone. Especially the UK. At least 200 years more advanced than you will ever be. Cedron = the black torrent.
#28. It was about £3m.....a fraction of what it is today. The RN have never been called to action to defend the fishery, we have civilian patrol vessels, armed for action if necessary.
May 21st, 2015 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not everyone in Scotland voted idiot boy, only those eligible to do so.....ie on the electoral roll. The same here in the referendum, those on the electoral roll. The independent observer mission confirmed that the ratio of those eligible to vote in the FI referendum, compared to those not eligible, was normal.
Voicy woicy, getting desperate now. You can have the Mancunians. Any 5th columnists like you Scotch poison dwarfs are welcome to go. Just think how much better off the English will be. What is it about Voice and the Falklands? You were found out, you were humiliated and you were thrown out right? Thats why you spout bile. Up there in the USSR its more and more like Zimbabwe every day.
May 21st, 2015 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 Voice (#)
May 21st, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 21st, 2015 - 12:33 am
Perhaps this will help you on the subject of dirt roads:
https://www.google.com/search?q=dirt+roads+in+argentina&espv=2&biw=1024&bih=649&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=I9VdVZK5CoqhNqbogbAJ&ved=0CCUQsAQ
Long stretches of the famous “Ruta 40” are still unpaved, which is why it is so sort out by the adventure tourism crowd!!!!!
Excellent, well balanced speech. Much in contrast with yesterday's swivel eyed rant by others.
May 21st, 2015 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thinking nice lady say very good speach. C24 I read seem like no powers anway. Why trouble with them just ignore. Lot of ignorants on side with Arg crnimals. Fat Max peple all beleve farys. Old woman soon is give away to more idiot peple anyway. Go same way as me leave and go to Canada. Argentina desperate finished anway.
May 21st, 2015 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can i ask the Anti_Falklands contingent what they think of Puerto Rico, Guam or Bermuda?
May 21st, 2015 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's lots of small islands like the Falklands that prefer to be aligned with a bigger country and don't care if they have “federal” representation or not.
I don't see who would really care.
Anti Falkland peple in Arg just puppet. Peple have no brain which is theres. No sensibl person care. Read animal farm good book. Four leg good 2 leg bad. Same things.
May 21st, 2015 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What did Argentina say? You are only posting one version of the facts. Get over yourself! You are manipulating information.
May 21st, 2015 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In most Rg towns only the main roads are paved and only to the end of the little town.
May 21st, 2015 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think where I lived the country clubs and other private owners paved the road to the town and right after the grocery store it stopped and became dirt. None of the side streets were paved. This was around Pilar so its not like it was really remote.
genetic aberration
May 21st, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They are in our thoughts every day”
of course “they” are.
because you are one of them.
you dont have to feel so ashamed to recognize you are another benny-hillbilly.
being a parasite is not to be proud, but anyway...you are a benny.
you have to accept it, genetic aberration.
COLONIALISTS THAT ONLY HEAR WHAT THE UK SAYS AND RACISTS. NOT BALANCED. I HOPE MANCHESTER JOINS SCOTLAND SOON AND CHAGOS RETURN TO MAURITIUS. THE LIE WILL END SOON, MS.
May 21st, 2015 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19
May 21st, 2015 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0paulcedron, well put it.
This people seen to have so many tricks, there are a colony, and now they like to play the Independence card.
Tell your colonial power to negotiate!
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May 21st, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 It is clear to me that your Nazis tendencies obvious.
May 21st, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are psychopath, a little pocket Hitler, and you are dangerous, not just to Argentinians. You are dangerous to humanity.
Even your pseudo tell us everything. “Conqueror” of what? poverty?
Fat Max choripan peple lots
May 21st, 2015 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 the answer to the world regarding the fate of the Falklands was defined that still remains valid and will be for many generations:
May 21st, 2015 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ron, I'm not handing over. I'm not handing over the islands now. I didn't lose some of my best ships and some of my finest lives to leave quietly under a ceasefire without the Argentines withdrawing.”
Margaret Thatcher 31/05/1982
To Ronald Reagan
God bless Baroness Thatcher
@50 Chicureo
May 21st, 2015 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well put. So true.
A great speech and how embarrassing to the C24 members who are largely made up of tinpot, crackpot, corrupt, undemocratic, suicide inducing, dictatorships - who wouldn't recognise a civilised way of living if it jumped up onto the table , painted itself purple and started singing happy days are here again.
May 21st, 2015 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 029 paulcedron ”Neighbors rally to support Argentina over Falklands“
May 21st, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't matter what countries opine they are just the “peanut-gallery” and have no legal standing. Besides, those countries have already legally recognized UK sovereignty by their initial “silences” of 1833, and have already “consented”. ”Argentine subsequent acquiescence endorses the Referendum, and it's legitimacy was further supported by UN “silence”, i.e. “silence in law is consent”
#51 DerkeBlake
May 21st, 2015 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks
Trying to reason with about 60% of the population is like talking to a rock. Fortunately I was born on the west side of the Andes.
47
May 21st, 2015 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do calm down you plonker...before you get yourself locked up...
Death threats on the internet do in fact equal jail time...
49
What are you... a dyslexic Yoda.....;-))))
Wory not yung Ferdinando...
53 terence
May 21st, 2015 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nobody can recognize a colony in the 21st century.
and none of the latin american countries, including chilotelandia, supports a colony in south america.
got it?
47 genetic aberration
“Ten paces before I put a bullet through ...blablabla.
but you need thumbs for ”putting a bullet”, you asshole.
and a brain.
remember, you are a genetic aberration,
53
May 21st, 2015 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....yeah sure Terry...“silence in law is consent”
...try telling that to a rape or abuse victim...
The Manchester thing was just a tongue-in-cheek headline. Fact is you can drive from Land's End to the outskirts of Edinburgh without ever leaving Conservative held constituencies. I've no idea why the north of England is portrayed as some kind of communist paradise/hole - it's nothing of the sort.
May 21st, 2015 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Voicey. Can I ask in all seriousness, even if it was up to you alone to personally select the Falkland Island residents permitted to vote in a referendum - do you genuinely believe you could actually find enough people who think that the FIs would be improved by having Argentina in charge? If not, then why bother complaining about the referendum voting franchise. It was free and fair, the islanders expressed their self-determination - you lost, move on.
#57 Arg patriot. What is yoda? Something like you look?
May 21st, 2015 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 059
May 21st, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0;-)))))
..like you don't know.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M6MS-qBgqg
#60 like you look? Bad skin. See this in villas late night, small bad too
May 21st, 2015 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PoW bow wow as front of Navy’s second new carrier is completed
May 21st, 2015 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://navynews.co.uk/archive/news/item/12775
The forward section of Britain’s biggest future warship is now outwardly complete after engineers successfully attached the final part of HMS Prince of Wales’ bow
Back off Argentina:
AGGRESSION from Argentina is the sole reason why the Falkland Islands still need a British military presence, according to one of the territory’s leading politicians.
https://navynews.co.uk/archive/news/item/12775
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it did not take long for the argies to bring this blog to the gutter,
never learn.
Paulie Poor little Paulie.
May 21st, 2015 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our Governor IS HM the Queen,s representative- He represents her as head of State in the Islands - that's why he signs the laws our elected assembly passes - same as the Queen passes the Laws Westminster passes and the Governor general of Canada signs the laws the Canadian Govt passes. It is the same level of democracy as chosen by quite a lot of the Commonwealth(ex colonies) of their own free will.
Typical Argentinas - you cannot tell the difference between mere meaningless words with NO Action - as expressed by Countries like Chile in the UN etc.
And real FACTS - like the trading and communications relationships between countries like Chile and Uruguay and the Falklands.
It would be bloody daft for Chile to stand up in the OAS and UN and say it backs out right op self determination in public.
very nice for us but a bit daft for the future of Chilean relationships in s America. We know that quietly behind the scenes Chile is happy with its relationship with the islands small as it may be and has no desire to break it all.
Same for Uruguay etc.
Every now and then these nations - and we fully understand - for the sake of a quiet life in S. America just need to spout a bit of verbal bullshit to make Buenoe Aires happy - as bullshit does indeed make Argentina happy.
56 BottyBoypaulie
May 21st, 2015 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“nobody can recognize a colony in the 21st century”
Clearly then, you need a pair of glasses. That said, you probably couldn't recognize a fanny, even if it sat on your face and wiggled...
For everyone else who is not a retard:-
Falklands: “We are an Overseas Territory, very content with the status and endorsed in the 2013 referendum”
nuff said really........................ No further questions your honour.
#63 Islander1
May 21st, 2015 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spot on!
By the way, do the Falklanders import yAustral brand beer from Punta Arenas?
45 FueraImperialistas
May 21st, 2015 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“COLONIALISTS THAT ONLY HEAR WHAT THE UK SAYS AND RACISTS. NOT BALANCED”
WHY YOU SHOUT??
WHY YOU NO MAKE ANY SENSE?
WHY YOU NO HAVE THOUGHT YOU'RE OWN?
56 paulcedron “nobody can recognize a colony in the 21st century.”
May 21st, 2015 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the completion of the Referendum UK has for filled all it's legal obligations under the Charter, as the Islands are now “decolonized”. It's therefore irrelevant who doesn't accept the affirmation of international law, as it is not the UK's problem, as there is no legal power on earth to compel them to do anything else. “UN Charter; DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES; Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained ..of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, ..b. to develop self-government, ...” “Self-determination of people: a legal reappraisal by Antonio Cassese
The content of self-determination as laid down in the Covenants Article 1 of both the UN Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the UN Covenant on Civil and Political Rights provides as follows: All peoples have the right of self-determination. ... All peoples may, ... freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources ...
”The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Govcrning and Trust Territories, shall promote ...the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations. SELF-DETERMINATION AS A CONTINUING RIGHT'. EXPRESSION OF THE POPULAR WILL
53 Article 1(3) grants peoples of dependent territories (non-self-governing and trust territories) the right freely to decide their international status, in other words, whether to form a State or to associate with an existing sovereign”
63 isleter 1 neurone:
May 21st, 2015 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0trading between chilotelandia, uruguay, whatever, and the islets?
lol
but what kind of trade can the islets offer?
you are just 2000 poor souls.
and you produce NOTHING, except sheep droppings.
it is a waste of time and oxygen to talk about business with the isleteers.
64 too-nabo
lets see if that tiny little brain of yours can get it once for all.
overseas territory is just a phrase invented by england to avoid the term colony.
an euphemism.
the sad reality is that the islets like gibraltar and 14 or 15 territories more, are just 17th century colonies.
guess the honest, impoverished, hardworker british taxpayer is not very happy with that situation.
67 Terence Hill
May 21st, 2015 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Me thinks that you are wasting your time.
The thing is... The thing is that BottyBoypaulie's retardation is ssssssooooo immense that even when faced with the cold, hard facts, he still thinks that he is correct.
You can't make up that kind of stupidity can you?
It takes a special kind of window licker to ignore the truth and grasp onto a lost cause with both hands and not let go right?
Best just to leave him alone and hope that the intellectual challenge of breathing with cause his brain to shut down.
I only wish the governance of my country, Uruguay, were more like the Falklands' and less like Argentina's. As for dirt roads, we have more than our fair share - and many of the surfaced ones are riddled with potholes, including major motorways.
May 21st, 2015 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My, my... The bed pan cleaner Paulcedron derides the Falklands due to having gravel roads...
May 21st, 2015 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignorance...
What sane person would desire to live in an Argentine governed territory?
65 - Chicurero- Austral - yes I think so, certainly have seen it on sale. Shipping link every 3-4 months to Punta. Larger vessel than before to handle all the containers to and from rest of world via Uruguay so cannot justify its cost more frequently to Punta. Lots of Colun UHT milk which most of us prefer to the British UHT!
May 21st, 2015 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paulie- Well we import several million dollars a year of a variety of goods from Chile. Sometimes we ship Falklands wool to Punta Arenas for processing.
From Uruguay similar in general imports and much more in containers to and from UK-Europe- USA and Asia - fish in particular - all transits through the politically neutral international container ship terminal in Montevideo. We have traded by sea with both Chile and Uruguay for a good 150 years or more.
Islander
May 22nd, 2015 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you. Chile has normally excellent milk products. Obviously our wine has surpassed Argentina reds and our virgin olive oils even challenge Italy.
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May 22nd, 2015 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure Pablo @74 is really wee voicey
May 22nd, 2015 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0This article is some sort of British propagandist's joke, right! The truth is the the current status of the 'Falklands' is the same as the status of the 13 colonies was before the Revolution. But, of course, there will be no revolution because the Brits are too gutless. Fortunately the situation will be rectified when the UK returns the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
May 22nd, 2015 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@32
May 22nd, 2015 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not been on here for a day or two as this isn't my life. I can assure you that the very last thing the people of Manchester wish to do is join Scotland on which ever path you are going. Mancunians are very proud to be British, we contribute more to the UK than any other city after London. We are team players and although soon to be devolved and managing our own affairs, we have no desire to go it alone, we will work for a stronger and more successful UK and become the power base of the north.
Unlike Scotland, isolationist and small and irrelevant as nobody will work with you anymore, as you will find out over the next few years.
I'm not aware of anyone who wants to invest in Scotland as your brand of politics is becoming isolationist, negative and toxic. Internationally, Manchester is now seen as the UK city to invest in. Certainly China, the Chinese love Manchester and see the city as a great investment because we are a proud part of the UK and will remain so.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/business-bosses-back-chinese-investment-7974505
However, this story is about the Falkland Islands economic success and what great success story it is.
South America has the highest number of murderous cities in the world.
May 22nd, 2015 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder the Falklands doesn't want to be ruled by Argentine savages. Argies wear bones through their noses.
@76
May 22nd, 2015 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Was there a referendum before the Revolution in which 99.8% of 92% of the electorate voted for the status quo?
@76
May 22nd, 2015 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Revolution? Did I miss something while I was playing golf?
“We are an Overseas Territory, very content with the status and endorsed in the 2013 referendum”
May 22nd, 2015 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0An excellent speech MLA Rendell, well said. It tells the true story of the evolution of the Islands from colony to a self-governing British Overseas Territory. You paint a very positive picture of the Island's economy and future direction. You don't pull too many punches either when it comes to exposing Argentina's bullying, uncivilised and illegal behaviour towards the Islanders and are correct when you point out that:
“if there was no threat from Argentina to claim our country, and the Government of that country recognized our existence and respected our right to self-determination, we would not require British troops at all”.
That clearly exposes the rank hypocrisy of the Argentine government who on the one hand, complains long and loud about the British garrison on the Falklands but, on the other hand, actively threaten your security by continuing with its bogus sovereignty claim, lobbying the UN for talks that exclude the legally elected FIG and assume the outcome of the talks before they begin and mount trade and communications embargos against the Falklands.
There should be more speeches like yours, taking the truth right up to Argentina and debunking their lies and uncivilised behaviour.
Your positive, truthful message is in sharp contrast to the negativity and lies that come from Argentina regarding the Falklands and, in 25 years’ time, the Falklands will have grown more confident stronger and prosperous while Argentina will have continued its economic and morale decay.
Chicureo - Absolutley- and plenty of good Chilean wine on sale and well sampled here I can assure you!
May 22nd, 2015 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Before anyone gets carried away with the UN C24 (minor UN committee)
May 22nd, 2015 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0UN Resolution 2625 (XXV) of 24 October 1970, Categorically states beneath the Principle of Equal Rights and Self-Determination of Peoples, ‘the establishment of a sovereign and independent state, the free association or
integration with an independent state or the emergence into any other political status freely determined by the people constitute modes of implementing the right of self-determination by that people.’
The UN C24 (minor committee) has to report to the UN Fourth Committee (big committee). The UN Fourth Committee stated on 14th October 2014, 'That the text would have the General Assembly reaffirm that it was ultimately for the people of the territories themselves to determine freely their political status.'
Enough said.
#31 Englishworker
May 22nd, 2015 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0From where I am it seems to be England doing all the whining.
You don't like Scots. Irish, any EU country...it's all their fault.
If only England was on it's own the world would be a wonderful place.
The whole world would be beating a path to trade with us......maybe yes- maybe no.
Scotland is not a parochial country like England. We get on fine with the rest of Europe.
As an aside, why has Bae announced that it is keeping BOTH of the Clyde shipyards open and spending £100 m. upgrading the facilities to make them the most modern in Europe ?
With a Conservative govt. and Scotland powerless to affect any vote, why don't they close the yards and take the shipbuilding back south.
We were continually told that they were directed to keep the Clyde yards open as a sop to the Scottish electorate. Bae ALWAYS said that it was a commercial decision to transfer their warship building to the Clyde but the anti-Scottish lobby refused to believe this. It looks as if Bae were being honest after all !
So it means that a lot of English shipyard workers will still have jobs in Glasgow and Clydebank..
@84: good points.
May 22nd, 2015 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Personally, I don't get the Scotland-bashing. The English parties practically pleaded for the “no” vote, to which we obliged. You can't then turn around and continue the whole “scroungers” bullshit.
Personally I voted “No” because I didn't see any point in ending a union that all of us have benefited from for centuries. The SNP's insistence on pushing for what amounts to an “unofficial” end to the union is ridiculous, that's partially why I don't vote for them.
I can't speak for Clyde, but I'm here to support the truth about and support a fair resolution for the Falklands and their inhabitants. I'd kind of like it if we can agree on that, at least.
On that subject:
The article is excellent. A well-spoken piece from MLA Rendell showing the differences between the SGT the Falklands has become and the “colony” status their would-be oppressors want to falsely label them with.
I still find it discouraging that the C24 refuses to even visit the Falklands - how can they determine the decolonisation status of *any* territory if they refuse to witness their political and social structures?
As it stands, the C24 seems to take their knowledge of the Falklands inhabitants from Argentina, who can't be trusted to tell the truth about the Falklands at the best of times!
This needs to change.
@ Voice What do you thin k about that 20 year old lezzer you guys elected she's an x fish fryer from the back streets of Glasgow-looks as though she needs a good wash filthy looking animal.
May 22nd, 2015 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#82 Islander1
May 22nd, 2015 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the feedback. ¡Viva las islas Falklands!
86
May 22nd, 2015 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't know I never voted for her...I'm not sure if you realise, but you only get to vote for the MP for your own area....so the phrase...“you guys elected” doesn't apply to me...
...and if she prefers women, as an “issue” you have raised...really tells us more about you than it does her....
...who cares...? apparently you do....
Live in Scotland do you...?
..Nope...so don't let it worry you...
#86
May 22nd, 2015 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mhairi Black is a bright young woman who is currently sitting her final degree exams. at Glasgow University. Yes, she did work in a chip shop to supplement her income while studying. No posh mummy or daddy to bankroll her.
Her sexual preference has nothing to do with her ability to be a M.P.
It may have escaped your notice that it is no longer a criminal offence to be “gay”
I presume from YOUR post you think of yourself as Mr. Universe.
87 voice
May 22nd, 2015 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Live in Scotland do you...?
..Nope...so don't let it worry you...”
sorry wee man,
Andy's nasty post @86 was irrelevant, disgraceful, and way out of line.
However, once again, it is not up to you to decide who is qualified or permitted to comment on Scotland, or any other subject.
Perhaps this wouldn't happen if you were to confine yourself to commenting on the subject of the article, in this case, the Falklands.
Instead, you attempt to steer every discussion towards yourself, and by extension, Scotland.
You appear so deprived of attention that you must talk about yourself, and contrive a controversy at any opportunity.
And now, you're complaining that Andy 65 is commenting on Scotland...
Have a nice day.
90...Oh dear...
May 22nd, 2015 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Live in Britain do you...?
..Nope...so don't let it worry you...”
Canadians have no influence in anywhere, but Canada...plastic Yanks and it appears that all they want....is to belong and so they become Wannabes...that yearn, no matter how tenuous the link, to be part of the ancestral home.....truly sad...
The future is so fragile and uncertain to them, that wallow in the glorious past...
What a stupid fcuk....I'm sure I was replying to a question from Andy65...about a Scottish lass....
Notice how the sycophant doesn't challenge Clyde for replying in the same vein.....
It's not my fault you are a no one from nowhere....live with what you are and finally accept what you are not.....British....
It is very sad how you continue helping the UK manipulate the self determination principle and how much you avoid publishing what Argentina said at the abovementioned meeting.
May 22nd, 2015 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will have to check other outlets and agencies.
You might want to check them too.
Bigotry, as somebody else said.
I attended a “British” school, the Grange, in Chile and what most countries have learned is that the more influence you have from the the British culture results in a higher level of democracy and civilization. I was briefly assigned to Canada during my Naval career and I found it to be one of the most civilized and decent countries I've ever known with the people having a strong sense of national identity, yet remaining very proud of their heritage.
May 22nd, 2015 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of all countries, I can't imagine any sane intelligent person wanting to bash Canada.
Hepatia.
May 22nd, 2015 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 025 years?
Timmerman said that 2 years ago.
So what, it's still 25 years, is it?
Be 25 years next year and the year after that and so on and so forth.
Keep on changing the timetable, we can live with that.
chilote
May 22nd, 2015 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so you studied in a grange?
now i understand why you are so ignorant.
and let me tell you, dear chilote ass-licker, that nobody gives a sh*te if you attended a grange, a farm, a barn or a granary.
got it?
91 wee man
May 22nd, 2015 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...
What a stupid fcuk....I'm sure I was replying to a question from Andy65...about a Scottish lass....
Notice how the sycophant doesn't challenge Clyde for replying in the same vein.....”
Clyde does not tell people they are not 'permitted' to comment, but you do.
Too bad you don't like it.
You keep proving my points about you - over and over again, wee man.
toy
May 22nd, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well, you should be banned to comment.
you are an offence to intelligence, bon goût et décence.
96
May 22nd, 2015 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You stupid boy...
Show me where in my comment, that I said or implied that Andy was not permitted to comment....
I said...and I quote...
”Live in Scotland do you...?
..Nope...so don't let it worry you...
How does telling him not to worry about a Scottish MP say that he is not allowed to comment....?
I realise that being a Canadian and not educated in England your grasp of the ENGLISH language might leave a lot to be desired....
...you stupid, stupid boy....
and now for something completely different...
You Stupid boy...;-)))
Goodness, our resident bed pan cleaner Paulcedron complements me again by distinguishing my nationality, although I was unfortunately born north of Chiloe, I was thankfully west of the Andes. The fortune gifted to me was having the privilege of a practical education at our family farm as well as the incredible privilege of 13 years at the Grange School is unmeasurable. In 1972 our family lost nearly everything, but the Marxists couldn't seize our education.
May 22nd, 2015 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The stupidity of the Argentine government during the late 70s facilitated my full scholarship to the naval academy. (So I also owe a debt as well to my dear neighbors.)
You see, we Chilotes place a great value in good education. That's why we have the #1 ranked university in Latin America. (Argentina has none in the top 20.)
Only the truly ignorant derides education.
dear hermano chilote
May 22nd, 2015 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the only thing you could have learnt in that grange is to clean the piggery.
as for chilote universities, how well they did in the last ICPC world finals?
they did not even qualify, eh?
the UBA on the other hand was #18 out of 128.
better than harvard, carnegie mellon, cornell and the list goes on and on.
not that bad, eh?
burros
I am quite new to this site.
May 22nd, 2015 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a question - is paulcedron for real? Or has he a few problems?
Excellent letter by the MLA, raising excellent points... which I am sure the C24 will ignore yet again in its bizarre continuation of ignoring both the UN Charter and the directions of the UN boss.
May 22nd, 2015 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0--
There are dirt roads, therefore its a colony!
PRICELESS!!!!!
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Glad to see the Argentines behaving as execrably toward their SA neighbours as they do to the Falklands Islanders... at least they are living up to their general reputation in the area and across the globe.
It's interesting that “Paulcedron the bed pan cleaner” quotes fantasy ratings for how the Argentine universities did at the latest ICPC world finals?
May 22nd, 2015 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He claims at #100, the University of Buenos Aires ranked “...#18 out of 128.
better than harvard, carnegie mellon, cornell...”
I found that a bit strange and went to the ICPC site and found quite the opposite, including the quote:
“The 2014 nationwide survey on status of Argentina university education has revealed that there has been a sharp decline over the past decade in the educational standards across the country.”
Twenty years ago Argentina still had an impressive university ranking in Latin America. Today, they have NONE in the top twenty of Latin America. Chile has two in the top twenty, of which the Catholic University in Santiago is rated number one in Latin America.
Paulcedron shouldn't feel sad though, Argentina seems to have captured the most corrupt Latin American country ranking...
99 Chicureo
May 22nd, 2015 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“........during the late 70s facilitated my full scholarship to the naval academy”
Ah ha!! Yes!! I see. This would be where you get your love of “Fishing” from then?
It would also explain your sense of humour ( which always makes me smile )
101 Alejo
“I have a question - is paulcedron for real? Or has he a few problems?”
( sigh )................ You ask some very deep questions there Newbie, VERY deep. I shall try to answer them as best I can.
is paulcedron for real? There are those of us on this site who are convinced that he is definitely from another planet but is he for real? Or is he even real? that Newbie, you will have to judge for yourself. For me, I think that he is the product of some weird government experiment that has gone hideously wrong.
If you still think that he is a product of your imagination, just ask yourself how f**ked up you would have to be to imagine something like our BottyBoyPaulie.
has he a few problems?
Noticed that did you Newbie? ( sigh ) Yes he has a few problems and then a few more ( and THEN a few more ) If you want to stay, you are most welcome. I don't think that anyone has seen ALL of his ( considerable ) hang ups yet but if you do stay, just fasten your seat belt will you? It's going to be a bumpy ride!!
Alejo @ 101
May 22nd, 2015 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt that Paulcedron is for real. No single person can be that silly. By the way, he says that the University of Buenos Aires ranked “18th out of 128 in the last ICPC world finals”. Assuming that he means the latest world finals, I decided to check and was unable to find any mention of the University of Buenos Aires amongst the first 64, which is the total listed.
let's see.
May 22nd, 2015 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you, ignorant isleteers and ignorant chilotes have never heard of the ICPC in your whole life.
and it is not a surprise that with your level of intelligence, below than zero, you cannot find a simple website.
http://icpc.baylor.edu/scoreboard/
18 Universidad de Buenos Aires - FCEN
19 Harvard University
24 Carnegie Mellon University
100 Cornell University
as you can see, there is not any chilote “university” there.
not to mention a kelper university lol.
anyway, what the f*ck can you know about universities, maths, ciencias exactas and stuff, eh?
animals
101 Paulcedron not in Arg he troll in london for Castro ambasdor. He like england but as said only clean toilet there or sumting. This lady says corect things no one can not say this. Other Scottih idiot wear facy skirt with no brain, shout everone because cant argue propr - cretin
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May 22nd, 2015 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 098 wee man
May 22nd, 2015 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sorry,
you're a bore - I'm not biting.
The poster Paulcedron is absolutely ignorant, it really makes me worry that there are millions more of similar Cámpora idiots residing just across the Andes...
May 22nd, 2015 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just went over to the QS University Rankings: Latin America 2014 page.
In the top twenty universities, my small nation of Chile has the positions of
1st, 6th and 12th.
Surprisingly Argentina has creeped back in with positions
19th and 20th.
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/latin-american-university-rankings/2014#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=
Sadly, there are no Latin American universities within the top world 400 according to QS and yet our little troll is trying to make us believe through his delusions of grandeur that the UBA beat Harvard...
Having spent a significant part of my naval career in the Chilean signals corps, I can reliably assure everyone that the first thing we learned about many Argentines was that our Andean neighbors are generally pathological liars like Paulcedron.
#104 toooldtodieyoung
Mutual feeling my friend.
Ha, ha!!!
May 22nd, 2015 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BottyBoyPaulie just got owned................ by one of his own countrymen!!!!
BottyBoyPaulie...... You are such a Felcher.
Ha, cedron man spek 3 langage at same time. Easy get angry. Another cretin ovios. Can mak no argment have bad or no education only insult peple stupid squid. Lady speech make him mader than ever. Does not like truths. Go back down toilet turnip where should be
May 22nd, 2015 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems the chilote bootlicker and ass-kisser is even more boludo than what i thought.
May 22nd, 2015 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0first, the boludo confuses a useless ranking made mostly for commercial purpose, with the result of one of the most prestigious international contests in exact sciences, where, again, the UBA FCEN beat harvard, USC, CMU; Standford, Cornell, etc etc etc.
it seems this chilote can't even understand a scoreboard.
http://icpc.baylor.edu/scoreboard/
@107 Ferdinando
May 22nd, 2015 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Other Scottih idiot wear facy skirt with no brain, shout everone because cant argue propr - cretin”
Well done, Ferdinando. Obviously, you understand English language very well !!
Yes understand well but try to teach self so hard. Anyplace great Mercopress to read insults. Arg peple seem cretin but not in Arg maybe london? Next place Canada save $ each week. Get out soon
May 22nd, 2015 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a pathetic idiot! The WEST ICPC World Finals 2015 was a sophisticated quiz game of which UBA ranked 18 out of the 128 that participated. It has NOTHING to do with world university rankings.
May 22nd, 2015 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#101 alejo
By the way, another one of Paulcedron's alter ego posts under the name of “Bertorelli” who adores Mussolini and has defended his hero Leopoldo Galtieri repeatedly. He suffers from an envy complex of Chilean superiority and stats foaming at the mouth when it's clearly shown that Chile surpasses Argentina in almost everything.
107
May 22nd, 2015 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Other Scottih idiot wear facy skirt with no brain”
Oh my oh my....not quite getting the hang of the English language at all....
As far as I'm aware the kilt doesn't have a brain...just 24 yards of wool and pleats...
There's a slight problem here...a person that only had a slight understanding of a foreign language...to not appear a complete idiot, would obviously double check their post with one of the many translate programs available from their internet connection. It would be close, but not perfect....BUT what it would show is the correct spellings in English of all the words....
You are fooling no one Ferdinando....
Well apart from an idiot...wonder who that would be....Wannabe puppet is a clue...
117 wee man
May 22nd, 2015 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you're so easily led... and now you're all 'out of kilter'!
Keep guessing...
LOL!!
I'm Paul, really? Really! Wouldnt be seen dead in a skirt
May 22nd, 2015 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0119
May 22nd, 2015 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What...?
If anyone wears a skirt it's me ...not Paul....
What's-a matter you Hey! Gotta no respect
What-a you t'ink you do? Why you look-a so sad
It's-a not so bad, it's-a nice-a place
Ah, shaddap-a you face
Hey Troy, wadaya maka da Voce? Angry nabo. Adds zilch. Wasta da spaca. Pelotudo extrordinaire? Poor powers of deduction!
May 22nd, 2015 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An amazing miracle that when I mention a character that's been in hibernation for a lengthy period of time, immediately the Italian fascist springs to action.
May 22nd, 2015 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you thought his boast of Buenos Aires University being the 28 the best in the world was ridiculous, Bertorelli claims Mussolini and the WWII Italian forces were the best of their day...
Waco, just completely Waco!
The Italians are experts - at retreating at high speed… .like the Argies LOL
May 22nd, 2015 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a mistaka to maka!
OK one more-a time for mama...
May 22nd, 2015 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's-a matter you Hey Gotta no respect Hey
What-a you t'ink you Hey do Why you look-a so sad Hey
It's-a not so bad Hey it's-a nice-a place
Ah, shaddap-a you face
That s-a my Alberto.......
Funny reading these posts from the argentines bickering over the “status” of the islands. It doesn't matter one bit what their status is, the point of the article is they are doing fine and they want nothing to do with Argentina. Their currency isn't falling like a stone daily, they haven't shot a prosecutor in the head lately, and they aren't on their way to another massive devaluation. Why would anyone want anything to do with such an abject failure?
May 23rd, 2015 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Voice I just wish Cameron would call that daughter of a rat Sturgeons bluff and give her full powers to do what she wants and see if she accepts-like you Voice she'd be in the nearest ale house pissing it all up the wall something you miserable Scots are good at
May 23rd, 2015 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@101 Alejo,
May 23rd, 2015 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0paulcedron is a troll.
Quite convinced that he is not even Argentine.
Could even be a British Troll.
@76 Hepatia,
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Personally, I think the UK election was brilliant. Somewhere over the last five years we forgot that 85% of the UK population is English....and 5% is Scot Nat.
May 23rd, 2015 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0So whilst the Nats managed to return 56 seats with half the vote in Scotland....the much bigger English electorate ensured that they sat on the opposition benches.
Nicola Sturgeons hypocrisy was straight out of the CFK book of making a tit of yourself.
Before the election:
“I don't care what the English electorate says, if there is a way I can lock David Cameron out of power, I will, that's the Westminster process”
After the election:
”I don't care what the Westminster process is, I DEMAND (there's that word again) that David Cameron respects the Scottish electorate and doesn't lock the SNP out”
Shocking way to behave by both Bonnie Prince Alec and Flora McSturgeon.
Voice is a Scotch Tory, thats why he is so angry. His hero also wore a skirt and had no balls - Mrs T. Sturgeon and Salmond have been neutralised by the election, once again the Scotch have made themselves irrelavent with no power. Next step, cast out into Independence.
May 23rd, 2015 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a mistake a to maka!
#126
May 23rd, 2015 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0An interesting concept...a lady pissing it UP a wall ? That would require an amazing feat of dexterity. I presume that this is quite common in the company you keep. Are you Essex man perchance ?
Of course, the English are known for their sobriety among such other characteristics as tolerance and humility..
129
May 23rd, 2015 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Alberto...What's a matter you...?
I heard-a Italian guys grow-a da moustache to look-a just like-a da Mama...no...?
122
Rather convenient what..?....It would be my guess Alberto was already on the thread and switched to respond, now which one would it be...?
What do we know....he uses a fictional character from a past British TV series...
I don't know it's a tough one....;-)
130
Clyde...wasn't that scene in the film ...The Full Monty...?
#129
May 23rd, 2015 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I presume that you are referring to William Wallace whose appendages were brutally removed under the orders of that benevolent ENGLISH King,
Edward I, who had the endearing English trait of trying to acquire, by force, every one else's land.
I think that even a biased “Englishman” would admit that by his actions, Wallace qualifies for the title of hero.
@132 Clyde15,
May 23rd, 2015 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are baiting you, Clyde.
And FYI, Edward I, a NORMAN king, was just as cruel to us Saxons as he was to the Scots.
Peace♥
#133
May 23rd, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I fully realise that and it bothers me not. It gives me something to do to challenge the terminally childish.
Yes, Edward 1 was of the Norman line but he was the commander of a powerful army whose foot soldiers were Angles and Saxons.
132 Clyde15
May 23rd, 2015 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can understand why you are pissed off, and with good reason.
Andy65 is, in short, being an asshole!
His comments are way out of line.
However, I am quite sure they do not reflect the sentiments of the majority of posters here.
Additionally, We have seen before that the trolls have deliberately inflamed the English vs Scottish debate, to divide the legitimate, individual British posters.
As remarked by several posters recently, this looks like just another tactic of the Troll personas to distract us away from real debate of the subject of the article at hand - witness how this story about the Falklands has strayed to the SNP, Scotland, and other self-referential shit-disturbing by Troll-personas, including El Voice, and others.
As to the ridiculous assertions that I have multiple personas - that's just bullshit perpetrated by “voice” as he flails about, trying to discredit myself and other legitimate posters.
Btw, I don't know where “Alberto Bertorelli” is coming from. He is an enigma to me. He seems to have been created in order to inflame other posters - just a distraction, and interestingly, he seems to be the main focus of “voice”.
I always enjoy reading your posts, Clyde. They are informative and well considered.
I am quite sure most other legitimate posters feel the same way as Isolde and myself.
Troy Tempest
There are many eminently sensible posters here and they are all in support of the UK and the Falkland Islands. In WWII we Italians ultimately did the right thing and supported the UK and its allies against the Dark Side. To not do so..., like Snr Voce
May 23rd, 2015 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a mistake a to make a
Yawn...
May 23rd, 2015 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think = doveoverdover = Voice = Terence Hill = Alberto Bertorelli... the list goes on...
Sad when you have to do that to get a conversation going.
Jo Bloggs
May 23rd, 2015 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or even think toby TT
137 Jo Bloggs
May 23rd, 2015 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't include Terence Hill, but yes, they all appear to be the same user, creating his own foil got arguments.
Witness “surfer”, supposedly one of 'us', but mistakenly mixed up his logins and posts with the Think persona.
After the demise of surfer, and the pro-scots “Doveoverdover”, our readily conversant “A_Voice” appeared, frequently “car-pooling” to threads, along with “Think”.
Enuff already - how about dem Falklanders and their Self Determination, huh ??
:-D
Hurrump! Remember who made The Voice look like a twat?
May 23rd, 2015 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0138
May 23rd, 2015 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like I said: the list goes on.
139 Troy
I say Terence Hill because nobody would engage as much as he does with an idiot like Think. Think has to create a foe willing to take him on so that he can get some air time. I may be wrong but the guy has built several semi-complex relationships with personas in the past. As each new persona comes along they reveal less about themselves so as not to be as easily unpicked as some of the previous ones.
I have no doubts about our right to self determination. If Argentina had a fraction of the case they claim to they really would have the world on their side and having the world on their side would mean tangible pressure that the UK couldn't withstand. But their case is fabricated and they know it. I mean, if their case WAS a fraction of what they say it is how would Phyl Rendell, and her other colleagues over the years, even be at C24? Does C24 allow anyone to turn up or only representatives of “peoples”?
What has Filmus achieved since taking on the Malvinas Ministry? Zero. They call him a politician but was he even elected?
@140 The Voice
May 23rd, 2015 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The “wee voice” is perfectly capable of making himself look like a twat.
However,
Well done Falklanders - taking the initiative at the C24 !!
Excellent !!!
It seems that she did not have a very good time, no support at all. Who can support imperialism and colonialism? http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/gacol3278.doc.htm
May 23rd, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0isolda
May 23rd, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are obsessed with me.
as i already told ya i will be in the islets in 2 months or so, so you will have the chance to have a coffee with me and discuss some things, you lucky girl.
in the meanwhile, just shut it, isolda.
@Paul
May 23rd, 2015 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That really is one of the funniest posts a Malvinista has ever attempted on here.
Trying to convince intelligent, well-travelled people that an Argentine university ranks above Harvard is utterly ridiculous. You have already been directed to the QS rankings, here is the other best regarded ranking:
http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2014.html
The UK has 5 universities in the top 40, with Canada having 3 while most of the rest are from the US. Argentina has none in the top 150 whereas the UK has 17.
The islanders are free, economically successful and have access to some of the best colleges and universities in the world. What do you think you can possibly offer them that would improve this situation further?
141
May 23rd, 2015 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Joe...can I call you Joe instead of that girly name Jo...?
I don't want to rip the arse out of your dumbass theories, but...
I'm lying of course I do...
You might want to check out the Mercopress facebook site and take a look at Terence Hill...including his photo and have a gander at his friends...and then tell us all how stupid you feel....;-)))
and...
Let's follow your logic....
I guess I must also be Troy Tempest....after all he engages me the most....Doh!
...must be the education system in the Falklands or perhaps you didn't avail yourself of it...
What you see with Terry Hill is a genuine battle of wits...he is no pushover and most certainly flies the flag for the Falklands not only on this forum, but others as well...
How strange to be insulting one of your greatest supporters....
You might want to apologise....
@143
May 23rd, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well worth a read, it's completely hilarious.
It's all insistence on self-determination and plebiscites until it gets to the Falklands, when suddenly it's all about how colonial inheritance allows you to seize a territory regardless of its inhabitants. And they call this a decolonization commitee, lol.
Then up pipes the Argentine representative with “It was not Argentina that had resorted to war-mongering and arms races”, only to be slapped into oblivionby Ms Rendell :
“Ms. RENDELL, responding to El Salvador, said that the Committee’s role was to support Non-Self-Governing Territories and not to sort out a territorial claim. To the Argentine representative, she said that she wished to hear that the islanders' wishes were being respected. One could not invade a territory, lose a war, and then expect to continue dialogue as if nothing had happened. “We have rights — the right to self-determination and the right for our voices to be heard through this Committee,” she said.'
And then
”ALEJANDRO BETTS, expert, then took the floor to invite the Special Committee to look at the situation “as an anthropologist”. ”
You can't make this stuff up, really you can't.
Hmmm..one sided battle isnt it half wit?
May 23rd, 2015 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0redrow 145
May 23rd, 2015 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but, dear redrow, it seems you did not understand a shite, all due respect of course.
i was referring, as i made it clear 1 million times, to one of the most prestigious contests in exact sciences, the ICPC.
and NOT to that joke of QS rankings, made only for commercial purposes.
as for the isleteers studying abroad and blablabla, lets see how many of them are studying at oxford for instance, or how many of them are part of the academic staff:
Falkland Islands
Academic staff: 0
Students: 0
Alumni: 0
Alumni groups: 0
now, lets see argentina:
Argentina
Academic staff: 11
Students: 9
Alumni: 117
Alumni groups: 1
it seems the isleteers do not like to study a shite.
Yep hilarious...that great speech...and zilch support at all....
May 23rd, 2015 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Told that not only are they a colony, but they also don't have a right to self determination....ok that last one is a bit strange, especially for all the support for Puerto Rica.... from a logical point of view...
But you lost your Voice. No one takes any notice, a cry in the Scotch wilderness.. Why bother half wit?
May 23rd, 2015 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm the Verb you are just a common noun...(probably lost you there...you are not too bright)...
May 23rd, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah one sided battle...I sometimes feel bad about that...
One of these days I'm going to let him win one....he never has much chance...
@Paul
May 23rd, 2015 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ICPC?!
Are there enough clever people in Argentina to put together a decent quiz team - yes, I'm sure there are. Are there enough intelligent people in Argentina to vote in a government that understands economics, ethics and how to construct a productive environment for business and research? Judging by your President (and history of Peronists) I'm guessing No.
Also, both the QS and ARWU rankings are highly respected and widely quoted University metrics whereas the quiz you refer to isn't.
@150
May 23rd, 2015 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Including a fine example of Argentine self-immolation by “Anthropoligist” Alejandro Betts, who must surely have studied at the Argemtine Academy of Anthropology, for he is evidently several islands short of an archipelago.
See if you can spot the logical flaw :
Only “peoples” are entitled to self-determination
The islanders aren't a “people” they're British.
What's truly wonderful about this argument, is that however you resolve it, Argentina loses. If the islanders are a people, then by definition they are entitled to self-determination. But if the islanders aren't a people, what are they? Fortunately, Anthropologist Betts has the answer. They're British. Who are a people. And who are therefore entitled to ..... ?
Not to mention the quality of Argentina's support. Syria. Iran. Russia. Venezuela. Cuba. What fine company to be in.
What experience does paulcedron have of the Falklands/Malvinas which qualifies him to make such nonsensical and immature comments? It seems to me that he may be a relative of the Mercopress moderator who allows him to get away with ad hominen remarks accompanied by vulgarity of the most juvenile taste.
May 23rd, 2015 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one understand this Paul peson. Is just troll like meny. Squid peson too. There is post about poor children in Arg but Paul concern only Malvinas? He is brainwash by govment or only paid troll? All peple with working brain in Arg thinks Malvinas not important. Fat Max peole do but they are young or stupid nabo.
May 23rd, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0154
May 23rd, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know fine well there is no definition of what constitutes a “people” in UN legislation...
...and you know fine well the argument is that the people of the Falklands are not a separate and distinct people from the UK and are a part of it like the people of the Isle of Wight....British Citizens....There is no self determination for them either....
..but you already know that argument and that it has been debated to death and there is still no definition....
hence my comment, “ok that last one is a bit strange”...
People & Population
May 23rd, 2015 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The terms “people” and “population” are neither explicit nor defined in any UN document. There is no accepted definition in international law that makes a distinction between people and population.
Both people and population are used interchangeably in UNGA resolutions.
There is
There is what Bob...?
May 23rd, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0155 Alejo
May 23rd, 2015 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What experience does paulcedron have of the Falklands/Malvinas which qualifies him to make such nonsensical and immature comments?”
WOW Newbie, I don't think that I have ever seen the words “experience” and “paulcedron” in the same sentence before, you may have scored a first one there!!!
BottyBoyPaulie has NO experience.........of anything...........ever. He thinks or seems to think that anyone posting on here who disagrees with him comes from the Islets ( Falklands Islands ) and know nothing of the outside world or the people in it.
He seems to have no opinion of his own. He is either REALLY that stupid or a paid La Campora Troll, only on here to disagree with what everyone else agrees with.
Some days, it is a joy to watch him flounder with concepts and ideas that are beyond his comprehension.
141 Jo Bloggs
“Like I said: the list goes on.”
Morning Joe!! I see you are still out fighting the good fight. I trust all the Bloggs family are well. I would tell you to watch out for them “others” but it looks like you are on to them already...........
158
May 23rd, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only Timerman and his cronies try to distinquish between the terms, in order to disqualify the Islanders.
Just like Timerman graciously, patronisingly 'agreed' that Argentina would govern in accordance with “interests” of the Islanders - that being distinct from their “wishes”.
146
May 23rd, 2015 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that it? You're only going to deny that you're Terence Hill? You're not denying you're all the others then? You sad loser.
Credibility check anyone?
Why have you seemingly hung up Think's gloves for now? Have you finally realised he's run his race? That doesn't normally stop you.
Don't worry, I won't tell anyone.
Chuckle chuckle ;-)).
160 Too Old
G'day me old mate. Family Bloggs are all good. Not all here at present but all good in their various locations. It's a nice day here today but no doubt winter is almost on us. The vehicles were pretty icy this morning. Just trying to finish some fencing before I start the second bathroom.
Take care mate and thanks for your continued support.
There is... a comprehensive definition of the word 'ALL' that is used to refer to the whole quantity or extent of a particular group or thing...
May 23rd, 2015 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN ICJ has made 1 Judgment and 4 Advisory Opinions that confirm or state ''that the subsequent development of international law in regard to non-self-governing territories as enshrined by the Charter of the United Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to ALL of them.''
(Legal Consequences for States of the Continued Presence of South Africa in Namibia 1971, P31-32; Western Sahara Advisory Opinion 1975, p68, para 162; East Timor Judgment 1995, P102, para 29; Legal Consequences of Wall in Occupied Palestinian Territory 2004, p171-172 para 88 and the Kosovo Advisory Opinion of 2010, p37, para 79).
A motion to place restrictions on the right to self-determination where there was a sovereignty dispute was defeated by the UN Fourth Committee on 20th October 2008.
(UN Fourth Committee Approved Text on Non-Self-Governing Territories, GA/SPD/406, 20 Oct 2008).
158
May 23rd, 2015 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Both people and population are used interchangeably in UNGA resolutions.”
...but has the phrase “all populations have a right to Self determination”..ever been used...
Have the Falklands ever been referred to as a People or a Population....in UNGA documents...?
Are they really interchangeable or have they been used specifically...?
162
Here we go...it looks like I'm going to be Brit Bob now....according to your logic...;-)
155 Alejo
May 23rd, 2015 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have also thought that the moderators of this site seem to ignore paulcedron's foul language and childish name calling - it only shows the site is badly moderated.
You then have @97 paulcedron complaining about the moderators!
It was made worse when they changed the method of reporting abuse.
163 Brit Bob
I have tried to find out what the C24 committee have actually achieved in the the last 25 years - can you help?
agent999 @ 165
May 23rd, 2015 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They collected their salaries every single month and quite possibly a few bribes too.
@ 165 agent999
May 23rd, 2015 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I have tried to find out what the C24 committee have actually achieved in the last 25 years - can you help?”
Very little other than to ensure their expenses are put in on time and voting for their mates.
too boludo, alejo (?) ferdinando (?) and agent999
May 23rd, 2015 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems you cannot focus on the subject.
it seems that is very difficult to you all.
so, you choose to criticize the other posters, me in this case, but it can be any other who is saying something you, bunch of retarded wannabes, do not agree.
instead of discussing with valid arguments, you, bunch of retarded bennys, chilotes and english wannabes, choose to insult them / us.
it only shows how ignorant, deluded, brainwashed, indoctrinated, thicko and cubbish you lot are.
mon dieu...
168 BottyBoyPaulie
May 23rd, 2015 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it only shows how ignorant, deluded, brainwashed, indoctrinated, thicko and cubbish you lot are.”
The irony in that statement is killing me!!! You are such a Felcher........
“instead of discussing with valid arguments, you, bunch of retarded bennys, chilotes and english wannabes, choose to insult them / us.”
But calling you a t-wat IS a valid argument, because you are.....
155 Alejo
Was this what you were talking about? If you want it, boy you sure got it didn't you?
168 paulcedron
May 23rd, 2015 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your biggest problem is that you never post any real factual information to back up the nonsense that you post, you resort to childish and abusive rants to back your nonsense.
You are this so called great pilot in your restored beechcraft plane, a true supporter of sports - rugby . polo, football but in reality you are nothing more than a spoilt schoolboy brat.
Bob BOB!!
May 23rd, 2015 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did you go...come back...I got all limbered up, did a few press-ups and sit-ups ready for round two...
get yourself back in the ring...
...don't you be holding out on me....;-)
Dear Voice - you are so full of your perceived self impotence it is pathetic.
May 23rd, 2015 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0agent
May 23rd, 2015 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0exactly
a wonderfully restored 1965 bonanza s35.
now i am waiting for a new MT 3 blade prop.
once installed, i will visit the islets to see in person, the disaster you lot are doing, contaminating our splendorous mar argentino
@157
May 23rd, 2015 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You know fine well there is no definition of what constitutes a “people” in UN legislation...”
Indeed I do. But there doesn't have to be, because Argentina has a self-sinking argument whatever the definition is. It's really quite simple: if a “population” isn't a “ people”, then what is it, exactly? How is it possible for a person to be a member of a “population” but not a member of a “people”?
Fortunately, in the case of the Falklands, Argentina has been kind enough to give us its opinion on innumerable occasions: the “population” of the Falklands is British. And the Brits, of course,. are a people. Several in fact, a collection of several different peoples, quite elastic enough to accommodate the Falkland Islanders in a way that makes them distinct from the Welsh or the Cornish or the Manx or the Scots or anybody else in the big British tent. So whichever way you look at it, the Falklanders are either a people in their own right, or part of the British people. And consequently, like all peoples, they have the right to reject and resist alien domination.
“...and you know fine well the argument is that the people of the Falklands are not a separate and distinct people from the UK and are a part of it like the people of the Isle of Wight....British Citizens....There is no self determination for them either...”
Oh but there is. if the Isle of Wight wants to secede from the UK, there is nothing to prevent if from doing so, any more than the Scots or the Welsh or the Cornish or the Manx. And obviously enough, the Isle of Wight is as entitled as anybody to resist alien domination.
And clearly this right also applies to British resident in the South Atlantic, unless of course you subscribe to the view that the South American continent and its surrounding oceans belong exclusively to implanted colonial populations of predominantly Italo-Iberian origin. But who but a racist colonial usurper could believe such a thing in this day and age?
VOICE! VOICE! Come out come out wherever you are!
May 23rd, 2015 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come you Voicey. You can tell me... I promise I won't tell anyone... Come on...
How many personas have you had on MP and what's the most you've had in operation at one time? ...and please bring the Commander back again... you know how much I like that one.
Come on. Pretty please...
Nobody thinks any less of you because you're a lying, faking fraud. Come one.
Daily Mail Saturday 23rd May page 43 INVASION OF THE mcMANIACS boorish ,boozy,picking fights even FISH FACE Sturgeon is alarmed by the commons antics of SNP YOBS -didn't take long for my predictions to come true typical behaviour from drunks north of the border.
May 23rd, 2015 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0paulcedron,
May 24th, 2015 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please tell me when you expect to get here.
My husband is also keenly interested.
l've heard him practicing on the punching bag that we have hanging in the woolshed. l really can't imagine why!
Also l want to starve my dogs for about 3 or 4 days just before you arrive.
They are too fat anyway.
Should be a lot of fun.
Why my daughter has even set up a video camera in anticipation.
And afterwards, well we all can have a good chuckle.
Can't we pauli-niño?
isolda
May 24th, 2015 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0in 2 months or so.
now let me ask you, do you have something against dogs?
1st you told me that you usually shoot them, and now that you want to starve them...
you will be prosecuted for all that.
YOU'VE BEEN WARNED
174
May 24th, 2015 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Oh but there is. if the Isle of Wight wants to secede from the UK, there is nothing to prevent if from doing so”
..you are going into the realms of fantasy now...what next the county of Essex or London...the population of London are not a separate and distinct people from the rest of England and so they are not a ”people as far as the UN is concerned and also under UK Law they are denied self determination to secede from the UK...it's then a case of Territorial Integrity...
We are not using the dictionary definitions of people we are using UN definition...and so far we can only determine the definition by past judgements and judgements by the very definition of the word have to be judged....
No International court or the UN have officially stated that the Falklands folk come under the category of what they define as a people....
The Falklands keep claiming self determination and the C24 doesn't appear to agree otherwise they would be off the list....
175
So you were wrong about Terry Hill and still don't have the good grace to apologise to him...what kind of a low life are you...?
Personas....I have had A_Voice that was blocked by Merco, I then changed to The Voice and that was copied and when I realised how this was achieved I changed to Voice that can't be copied...so that's three.....
176
...plenty of lager louts in England...so what is your point...?
as for beating the shit out of people..that's always been a good sport in Scotland...so again what is your point...?
“No International court or the UN have officially stated that the Falklands folk come under the category of what they define as a people”
May 24th, 2015 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are there statements from the UN officially defining as people the populations of every independent nation in the world?
180 Benson
May 24th, 2015 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0“voice” is not interested in consistency, logic, or truth, for that matter.
He only wants to argue, to divert the relative debating, and to call attention to himself.
@181 Troy
May 24th, 2015 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0> “voice” is not interested in consistency, logic, or truth, for that matter.
As we have seen :
Voice @179: “We are not using the dictionary definitions of people we are using UN definition”
Voice @157: ““You know fine well there is no definition of what constitutes a “people” in UN legislation...””
Chuckle, chuckle.
@178 paulcedron,
May 24th, 2015 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you working on malvinista time?
“About 2 months or so”
l guess thats a hazy undefined period of time, somewhat similar to Hepatia's “within 25 years”
How do these malvinista times coincide with our normal timespan?
Does “about 2 months or so” mean probably won't come, but could(if the day is not too hot!).
And it seems certain that “within 25 years” means, er, never?
(and never mind the weather!).
ldiot child.
182
May 24th, 2015 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Voice @157: ““You know fine well there is no definition of what constitutes a “people” in UN legislation...””
So how do we know what it means...? Is there a way in which we can determine it's meaning...?
Well you could examine the context it has been used specifically in past resolutions and judgements by the International bodies in particular the UN.
...deja vu I'm sure I've already mentioned this....
Oh Yes Hans you might want to include other parts of the sentence in future...
...is that all you've got...trying to highlight a contradiction by chopping the sentence...a bit sad or what..?
“we are using UN definition...and so far we can only determine the definition by past judgements ”
@179 Voice / Think
May 24th, 2015 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“No international court or the UN have officially stated that the Falklands folk come under the category of what they define as a people....
The Falklands keep claiming self determination and the C24 doesn't appear to agree otherwise they would be off the list....”
If that really the strongest part of your Malvinas argument? You come across like a defence lawyer arguing on a technicality when you know your client is guilty as sin. If the UN thought that being a disputed territory meant that the Falklands and Gibraltar should be treated separately then they would have voted as such - they didn't - you lost. If only there was some kind of international court of justice where you could test out your “population vs people” argument. If the neo-colonial echo chamber of the C24 is all you have then you have very little indeed, as you very well know.
PS - Sorry, I missed the introduction of the Voice character, are you Argentine or a concerned UK tax-payer, retired Captain etc? Thanks.
Nicola Sturgeon's alarmed by the Commons antics of the SNP's yob MPs
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They've broken Parliamentary rules and started petty fights with rivals
Behaviour comes in spite of Sturgeon's promise of 'grown up politics'
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WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A LAND OF DRUNKS,FREE LOADERS AND COUNCIL HOUSE TENNANTS bring it on VOICE I've smoked you out
185
May 24th, 2015 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can dismiss the C24 arm of the UN all you like....but it's all about International recognition...
The UK could remove the Falklands from it...but they won't...
...because without UN (International recognition) they would be nothing....
#186
May 24th, 2015 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0What do you expect. They are only conforming to standard of behaviour that the English have been exporting as their national characteristics for centuries.
@184
May 24th, 2015 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's face it, Voice. Hoist by your own petard.
@187
Firstly, its it's not all about International recognition at all, it's about legality. Legality is not a matter of conducting a straw poll among your fellow implanted predominantly Italo-Iberian colonial populations, supported by a mixture of loonies and dictatorships pursuing their own agenda.
Secondly, the C24 does not in any meaningful way constitute “international recognition”. The C24 is no more than a sub-committee of a committee. A GA vote might be regarded as constituting international recognition, but last time Argentine tried for one of those it got slapped back, hard. (Which I guess amounts to international recognition that Argentina's claim is invalid, incidentally).
Thirdly, it was actually the UK that put the islands on the list in the first place, and the UK has no power to remove it from the list. And why should it even do that? As long as the islands remain on the list, the principle of self-determination is assured. It is for this reason that the Chinese petitioned the GA to have Hong Kong removed from the list back in the day. The difference, of course, is that the Chinese had an unanswerable claim on Hong Kong, and therefore could well afford to lose the propaganda value of bleating about colonialism, whereas Argentina has nothing else going for it at all. This is, after all, a country that can field an “expert” in front of a D E C O L O N I Z A T I O N Committee to argue that “Argentina was the sole successor of the Spanish crown and therefore the rightful owner of the islands” and “ The will of the inhabitants of the islands should not take precedence over the question of sovereignty”, and nobody goes WTF?
Loooooool, with enemies like this, who needs friends?
An arm, exactly. The body and head of the UN say something very different.
May 24th, 2015 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The C24 exists to help territories achieve decolonisation. The FIs have done this despite the C24 and not because of them. By their indifference and on some occasions open hostility to the FIs, the C24 have demonstrated that they aren't interested at all in helping the territories in question. How can it be that the C24 won't even visit the FIs? International recognition that matters is about trade. For companies who want to fish or explore for oil in Falklands's waters do they pay a licence to BA or Stanley? Why don't they pay it to BA? That's right because they recognise the FIG as the legal authority in the FIs. Sovereignty can be resolved at the ICJ but you know you'd lose there. So all you have to cling to is lip service from the C24.
@173
May 24th, 2015 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0“a wonderfully restored 1965 bonanza s35.
now i am waiting for a new MT 3 blade prop.
once installed, i will visit the islets to see in person, the disaster you lot are doing, contaminating our splendorous mar argentine”
Is this aircraft restored to the same standard as most of your airforce aircraft?
If so my friend , the best of luck in getting airborne and staying in the air long enough to get back when your MT3 prop comes adrift after you have superglued it on.
The motorised gliders I trained in as an Air Cadet (in the 1980s) would have been more reliable, and faster.
And if by a miracle you get anywhere near the Falklands (remember amigo, it isn't 10 miles away from TDF but a little further, please enjoy the Eurofighter escorts you will encounter, and wistfully imagine that Argentina will one day own jet fighters beyond the same 1960s vintage of your aircraft.
I am surprised you have not borrowed an aircraft from your amigo the mighty salad dodger himself, Maximo the Maximus the closet Hippopotamus, (who makes Mr Picardo look like a stick insect) which should give you space for all the CT scanners you are going to present to the Islanders amid a cheering crowd who will lay out the red carpet in sheer gratitude to you when you taxi in, before placing garlands of pale maidens around your neck.
@178
“in 2 months or so.”
As Isolde points out, as with 'within 25 years' this is Argentinian bullshit meaning.............. never.
189
May 24th, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's an awful lot of your own opinions there Hans...
I guess I'm going to have to take them as fact....
So tell me when a colony is removed from the list does it get legal recognition from the UN....?
I'm guessing it does....
Does the Falklands have legal recognition now....I'm guessing it doesn't...
Does anyone know if their is a supply of 100LL aviation fuel available on the islands?
May 24th, 2015 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Polly, even if he ever goes to the island, won't get back with any likely safety margin unless he can refuel.
Far from me to suggest somebody buys the complete stock up the moment he lands! :o)
All these arguments about the C24 are irrelavent because the C24 is irrelavent. Argentina has no respect for law especially international law as was vividly demonstrated in 1982. If the UK and the Falkland Islanders are breaking some law so what? They are there, they have lived there for generations, the UK is determined that their wishes are paramount. They made those wishes abundantly clear in their referendum. They wish to have nothing to do with Argentina. The UK supports them. The Falklands future is bright, it will be richer, its safe, its a great South Atlantic base for the military of the first world.
May 24th, 2015 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can continue to whinge… .great! Who cares?
@192
May 24th, 2015 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look it up. It's all in the record.
Otherwise, you seem to be suffering from a typically Argentine misconception as to the role and function of the UN. The UN isn't some kind of validation body that determines who can be a state and who can't. Recognition or not isn't conferred by the UN, but by individual states. The ICJ is there to pronounce on the legal aspects of disputes, but those judgements aren't achieved by voting in the UN. And as we've seen, Argentina in any event is unable to command a majority of the UN, and as we all know, it won't dare go anywhere near the ICJ with its claim. All it can do is perpetuate its grievance, which is convenient for its politicians and satisfies some curious impulse of masochismo among certain elements of the population.
Just love seeing people like HansNiesund putting idiots like Voice in their place-now run along wee boy and go service your beloved Nicola
May 24th, 2015 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voicey, slapped down again… He keeps getting made to look an idiot but keeps coming back for more. You would think that the Argentinians could do better than this? Even Think did better
May 24th, 2015 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0isolda + pete + christine
May 24th, 2015 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0clearly you lot dont know a shite about fine planes like the bonanza.
it has an autonomy of +/- 1300 km and the distance from rio gallegos to the islands is just 500 km.
remember, the islands are part of argentina, thats why they are so close to our coast.
going to our islas malvinas is like going to our isla martin garcía, un vuelo de rutina.
hope you lot welcome me when i get there.
198 Amelia Airhead
May 24th, 2015 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“remember, the islands are part of argentina, thats why they are so close to our coast.”
Really ?? Did Argentina move them there after acquiring them?? :-/
“...going to our islas malvinas is like going to our isla martin garcía, un vuelo de rutina.
hope you lot welcome me when i get there”
All in all, another Pablo fantasy post.
Don't buy into these silly Paully pretensions and daydreams folks. He's full of it.
When pigs fly, they'll be doing it far better than Paully in his imaginary Beechcraft.
As “Paul Cedron” is probably just a creation of Think/voice - consider this as a “Bonanza” of distraction away from the pasting wee voice is getting on this thread.
I honestly don't know why anybody responds to either of these malicious ridiculous personas
toy
May 24th, 2015 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I honestly don't know why anybody responds to either of these malicious ridiculous personas”
toy
“I honestly don't know why anybody responds to either of these malicious ridiculous personas”
and what the fuck are you doing right now, eh?
you are not very bright, are you?
Beechcraft Bonanza? They made great Airfix kits of those. Thats what Pauly is referring to. What a sick individual - an Architect… really? Been to a Spanish University no ones heard of… really? Goes shitsurfing… really? Now he is piloting a plane to the Falklands… .really? A serial Walter Mitty with a foul mouth living in Villa 31 sending missives from a cheap internet café… .in Merthyr Tydfil… .yes really! Loser… Bahahahaha.
May 24th, 2015 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0189
May 24th, 2015 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Three cheers for Hans for telling me nothing...I was expecting the link to verify...“its it's not all about International recognition at all, it's about legality.”
and...
“A GA vote might be regarded as constituting international recognition”
I was expecting a link to the process of how de-colonialisation occurs...Do the C24 recommend to the UNGA that in their opinion a colony has attained the necessary approved conditions to be removed from the list and do the UNGA vote on it or does the C24 vote on it first....?
and the thirdly was just blah and more blah...
Come back Brit Bob or Terence Hill...at least they give me some links...even if they are only links to opinions....
Hans...you give me nothing...
....but I must say you do get a round of cheers from the sycophants for doing it...well done!!....
202 wee man
May 24th, 2015 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0again, another empty, but inflammatory bluster from the performing seal.
wee man, try juggling your balls for us - it would be more entertaining.
Have a lovely day, lumpkin.
:-)
Voice @164...
May 24th, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The General Assembly would reaffirm the inalienable right of the peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories to self-determination, including -- if they so wished -- independence, by the terms of one of seven draft resolutions and two decisions on decolonization questions approved this afternoon by the Fourth Committee (Special Political and Decolonization).
Following the conclusion this afternoon of its general debate, the Committee, acting without a vote, approved that two-part consolidated text on small island Territories, by which the Assembly would reaffirm that it is ultimately for the people of the remaining 16 Territories on the Committee's list to determine freely their future political status.'
http://www.un.org/press/en/2002/gaspd238.doc.htm
or
http://www.un.org/press/en/2002/gaspd238.doc.htm
OK there are 17 now, but the point is, if the falklands are one of the 17 NSGT then yes there are UN documents that have said the Falkland Islanders are a people. How can they be on that list but not included in the outlining statement. Now show us where the UN have specifically stated the statement refers to all the NSGT except the Falklands, because if there was an exception it would be clearly stated would it not.
Seeing as no one is going to tell me of the process of removal from the list...I might as well tell myself....
May 24th, 2015 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0right..the C24
Follows political, economic and other developments in the remaining Territories;
Holds annual seminars in the Caribbean or the Pacific where most of the Territories are located, during which decolonization and issues of concern to the peoples of the Territories are discussed;
Hears petitioners from the Territories or other persons with expertise and relevant information on a Territory at its annual sessions;
With the cooperation of the administering Power, it may send visiting missions to a particular Territory, to better understand what can be done to move the decolonization process forward;
Provides information regarding assistance from UN agencies to Territories;
Makes recommendations to the General Assembly, which then approves resolutions reflecting developments in the Territories;
and finally.....
WHERE AND WHEN APPROPRIATE, RECOMMENDS TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT THE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE REMOVAL OF A TERRITORY FROM THE LIST OF TERRITORIES UNDER ITS SUPERVISION.
...no recommendation..no removal...
C24 does appear to have some power after all......
@ 198 POLLY
May 24th, 2015 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, I know your time expired airframe should go approximately 1,500 Km but there are these things call HEADWINDS which can seriously eat away at your endurance.
Do you think the islanders will let you have any 100LL? Yeah, I can see that happening, NOT.
You won't go anyway, that old crate isn't airworthy to any western world standard, just like the flag carrier planes.
Mr Voice, the C24 has no power to do anything that changes the Falklands situation whatsoever. Its irrelavent. Its powerless. It can recommend things to the UN. The UN has no power either. The only thing that matters is the IJC and as we know RGland is scared shitless of taking its non existent case there despite all your legalistic hurrumping.
May 24th, 2015 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, case closed. Got it? Doh… .
@198 idiot child/paulcedron/payaso/nabo
May 24th, 2015 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, and Calais is 26 miles from the coast of Kent and that's why it is a French city!
Pelotudo, your trains of thought don”t run on straight lines.
ChrisR
May 24th, 2015 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pure fiction anyway - no plane, no visit, no credibility.
No foolin'!
Don't even listen to him.
christine
May 24th, 2015 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the fact that it is a 50 year old plane does not mean a shite.
when you have a bonanza, you do not sell it or change for another model.
we update them and that is more than enough.
and in my case it has a 1965 IO 520 engine, which sound like a violin.
those ilsets will be mine in a question of 2 hours.
gordo pedorro
and what the fuck has calais got to do with this issue, you uncontrollable farter?
england, you retarded fatso is at 12000 km of distance.
they have nothing to do in this continent.
got it now, you fatso?
198 BottyBoyPaulie
May 24th, 2015 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“remember, the islands are part of argentina, thats why they are so close to our coast.”
“Yes, and Calais is 26 miles from the coast of Kent”
So Calais being so close to Britain, we should claim it as ours yes? We should be able to claim part or the whole of northern France then huh BottyBoy??
#210
May 24th, 2015 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you update us with the details of your landing permit, cost and your submitted flight plan What will your call sign be so we can watch your journey on Flight Radar.
Will you be paying for your AVGAS in cash Pounds or US Dollars as Pesos are not acceptable.
You are also required to give details of your accommodation during your stay so at what address will you be staying ?
I presume by the sentiments you regularly express that you will not require the assistance of an RAF Sea King if you have to ditch in the S. Atlantic.
212 Clyde15
May 24th, 2015 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you update us with the details of your landing permit, cost and your submitted flight plan What will your call sign be so we can watch your journey on Flight Radar.
I bet he can't, y'know? I bet he doesn't know what a “Landing permit” looks like, let alone how to apply for one.....................
That said he might surprise us. Again, I bet he doesn't but he MIGHT.
@ 210 POLLY
May 24th, 2015 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you never heard of metal fatigue on the aluminium tub of your Bonanza? Each time the thing has taken off and landed, each time it has dropped like a brick in an air pocket and then staggered to a “stable” position ALL stress the airframe.
Having some argie idiot visually inspect it without at least carrying out dye penetration examinations on all the surface control stress points counts for nothing.
But I bet it hasn't flown too many times though and, heh, hitting the ground a bit too hard doesn't really damage anything, does it?
Ha, ha, ha.
213, 214
May 24th, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, c'mon guys, don't enable this idiot... !!
Lol !!
209 Troy Tempest
May 24th, 2015 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Pure fiction anyway - no plane, no visit, no credibility.”
I know!! but it doesn't stop us taking the p*ss now does it?
I mean, if you can't laff at the hopes and aspirations of others, what can you do?
@216 too old
May 24th, 2015 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol,
he doesn't have the maturity for a Driver's license, let alone fly a plane...
Hell, he shouldn't be allowed on a computer!
Not sure who claims to be planning a flight over but judging by the last few comments, it's one of the deadbeats. He will need to do the following:
May 24th, 2015 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Contact the Falkland Islands Civil Aviation Department civilaviation@sec.gov.fk
They will send him an application form that will need to be completed and returned along with copies of:
Certificate of Registration of the aircraft
Certificate of Airworthiness of the aircraft
Liability Insurance policy for the aircraft
Pilot's details
Details of any passengers
Date of the flight
Routing of the flight
Once a permit is issued (if it is issued) he will need to get permission from one of the Falklands' two international airports and let Customs and Immigration know of his ETA.
Jet A1 is available at both airports but there is no Avgas at Mt Pleasant.
217 Troy Tempest
May 24th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“he doesn't have the maturity for a Driver's license, let alone fly a plane...”
Unless he has himself one of those paper planes.......reckon he could glide his way to Mount Pleasant?
218 Jo Bloggs
“Not sure who claims to be planning a flight over but judging by the last few comments, it's one of the deadbeats”
Oh, how right you are Joe!! Our Paulie has himself “a wonderfully restored 1965 bonanza s35” and that would mean it's held together with parcel tape and not blu-tak
I've got 8 to 1 odds on he gets 50 miles out before the wings drop off.
He did well on the P-3 simulator
May 24th, 2015 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0grandpa
May 24th, 2015 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i will be there in 2 months, more or less.
so i have PLENTY OF TIME to do my plan de vuelo.
you have never made a FPL in your life, eh??
about accommodation, guess many of you will offer your huts, shacks, whatever, so i do not care too much.
220 Troy Tempest
May 24th, 2015 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“He did well on the P-3 simulator”
Well I “flown” A-10's, F-16's, F-18's and the GR-4 Tornado on x-box..... Do I get to be his co-pilot?
Me thinks our Paulie is p*ssing into the wind.................
214 christine
May 24th, 2015 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the parts which suffer the most with landings are the brakes and wheels and they are completely new.
about the structure, this is not a commercial plane which flights at 5000 meter high.
the structure is perfect, no cracks, dents, discontinuities, and the rivets are perfect.
the ANAC is the institution which approves the condition of your plane, arguably the most strict in the americas, and my S35, with a recent “recorrido”, is in perfect condition with 1240 hours available.
my only concern is where i will fly the 200 m2 argentina flag.
maybe in the central square of the islets.
Pelotudo
May 24th, 2015 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@paulcedron You talk out of your ass mate you should get together with Voice and fly to Southern Ireland now they are allowing gay marriage.You make the perfect shit talking couple.
May 24th, 2015 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ............. Stop fooling around, boluda, the Malvinas are Argentine.
May 24th, 2015 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not even spending refute this woman. It is too elementary
For Voice..
May 24th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN Documents, definitions and info...not opinions regarding NSGT, of which the falklands is regarded as one by the UN.
http://untermportal.un.org/Display/record/UNHQ/Non-Self-Governing+Territory?OriginalId=44dc625deb76a629852569fa000093d6
'Non-Self-Governing Territory'
Description Defined by Article 73 of the Charter of the United Nations as a territory “whose people have not yet attained a full measure of self-government”
http://untermportal.un.org/Display/record/UNHQ/Non-Self-Governing+Territory?OriginalId=44dc625deb76a629852569fa000093d6
Falkland Islands (Malvinas)*
Territorial status
The Falkland Islands (Malvinas) have been on the United Nations
list of Non-Self-Governing Territories since 1946, following
the transmission by the United Kingdom of information under
Article 73 e of the Charter.
See: A/RES/68/95 A-B of 11 December 2013
Administering Power
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the
administering Power of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas).
United Nations-related action
The General Assembly’s Special Committee of 24 on
Decolonization has considered the question of the Falkland Islands
(Malvinas) since 1964. Following its recommendation, in 1965 the
General Assembly adopted resolution 2065,
See: 58/136 of 1 July 2004
United Nations Annual Working paper on the Falkland Islands
(Malvinas)
See: A/AC.109/2014/15
Now Voice, show us all a UN document where they say the the Falklands are either not a NSGT or that they are an exception to the definition above. Or will it just be your opinion.
do you have squares, avenues, boulevards, something related with cities or urbanismo in those stinky islets?
May 24th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bet you dont have a shite.
not even a paved road.
anyway my interest is to ski there.
where are the ski resorts exactly?
you dont have any?
and what the fuck do you do during the winter then?
drinking vodka and watching top gear?
mon dieu, living in that shit-hole must be a shite, no?
paulcedron,
May 24th, 2015 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are as crazy as a loon bird.
A few sandwiches short of a picnic.
A complete raving ratbag.
You wouldn't be allowed outside of the Asylum.
Just go away, begone.
ldiot child
@228 ...Yet you still want to visit...go figure.
May 24th, 2015 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0226 José Malvinero
May 24th, 2015 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I do not even spending refute this woman. It is too elementary”
Too right!!! Let me break it down for you:-
The Falklands are British
The Falkland Islanders are British
They want to remain British and so they WILL REMAIN British.
Amen
If I was you ( and I am GLAD that I am not ) but if I were you, I wouldn't “spending refute this woman” 'cos there is nothing for you to refute. Why waste more of your time when you have already lost?
p:s:- You and BottyBoypaulie don't Felch together do you?
too imbecile
May 24th, 2015 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems you have a fixarion with felching and stuff, eh?
you perverted gay...
imbecile + 3rd class pleb + gay: you are not the luckiest benny, no?
232 BottyBoypaulie
May 24th, 2015 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it seems you have a fixarion with felching and stuff, eh?”
What's a “fixarion”?
Is that gay slang for something?
Is that what you and José do together?
227
May 25th, 2015 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course the UN recognises the Falklands as a NSGT....
It just doesn't refer to them as a people...in fact it specifically in all the resolutions refer to them as “the population of the Falkland Islands”
in...
Resolution 2065
Resolution 31/49
Resolution 3160
Resolution 37/9
Resolution 38/12
Resolution 39/6
Strange.... in reference to “The Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples”...that instead of stating the “people of the Falkland Islands they use ”Population“.
Which is why I asked the question @164...”Have the Falklands ever been referred to as a People or a Population....in UNGA documents...?”
Still...you are trying...
Andy65
May 25th, 2015 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Voice and Pauly are likely the same person.
Pablo Pauly is just another of wee voice's fantastic creations, spare on reasoning, big on insulting and disrupting.
It's no coincidence that his claims and personal details are unbelievable and unsupportable.
Don't waste your time.
“voice”,
your “people vs population”
red-herring, emulating Timerman's own, has already been dismissed several times on this forum, and gathered no support from the UN.
Ban Ki Moon is very clear that the Falklanders are entitled to Self Determination, and not in violation of any resolutions.
Grow up, you self aggrandising post-whore.
Sheesh!!
@210 idiot child/payaso/nabo
May 25th, 2015 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever heard of the expression “to think outside the box”? If you have then you should try it sometime!
Do your doting parents know they have created such a sick idiot? LPMQTP
@ 228 paulcedron:
May 25th, 2015 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you hate those islands that much, calling them “stinky islets”, “that shit-hole” and things like that, why do you really want them for your country? You already have over 2,7 million sq km to take care of.
Troy, what Voice/Paulcedron says is totally irrelavent. Since when are fools like these authorities on anything? They are apparently living under political regimes that they hate, they both spout bile in an aggressive manner and they are just keyboard warriors and serial liars.
May 25th, 2015 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ignore them, do not feed these obvious trolls who share so many identical characteristics.
As far as the UK and its offshore territories are concerned the toothless C24 is just a megaphone for a corrupt group of politically irrelavent countries. They should be ignored too and UK aid to all of them should be stopped. Now we have a 100% Tory government free of wimps perhaps that will happen.
@234 Voice
May 25th, 2015 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's quite an interesting spectacle to watch somebody both clutching at straws and attempting to flog a dead horse with them, all at the same time.
But are we really expected to believe that by the use of one term rather than another, the UN has chosen to abandon one of its fundamental founding principles, without actually saying so or holding a vote on the matter? It's especially curious in this respect that when given the opportunity to come out of the closet in 2008 and limit the right of self-determination, the GA chose instead to throw Spain and Argentina's proposal back in their face quite spectacularly. And even now, every year, the C24 chooses to miss the opportunity yet again, by sending up to the 4th Committee an entirely anodyne resolution calling for dialogue (which Argentina then renders impossible). Pull the other one.
In fact the UN documents use the terms people and population interchangeably, which is entirely understandable since there is no such thing as a population which is not part of a people.
But in any case, as previously pointed out, Argentina has already torpedoed the whole argument on innumerable occasions by insisting to the world that the Falklanders are British, apparently under the misconception that labelling them British precludes them being regarded as a distinct people in their own right.
Of course it's hardly surprising that Argentina should fail to grasp the concept that “British” is an umbrella term that covers a number of distinct peoples, and that it is entirely possible therefore to be both British and Scottish or Welsh or Manx or Cornish or Falklander or whatever identity a group chooses for itself.
What's much more curious is that a Scot such as yourself should apparently fail to grasp a fundamental concept of British identity that is taught to children in every Scottish primary school.
The “people” vs “population” thing is a distinction without a difference. Argentina tries to pretend that a People are a real defined group in law but that a population is merely the errr people who just happen to live somewhere at any given time. However, there is no evidence for this. UN documents use people, population and even community interchangeably. The only time a distinction is made (and it is made purely for the protection of minorities) where it can be asserted that there may be more than one peoples within a population, since saying more than one peoples within a people wouldn't make sense. So in the case of the FIs the people and population are one and the same thing (unless and until a minority community on the islands asserts a separate political identity). But either way that doesn't help Argentina since whether it is the (unitary) people of the FIs, or a group of separate peoples on the islands, the population has the right to self-determination, both from the UK but especially from Argentina.
May 25th, 2015 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0To learn this little woman to remove their dirty feet of the Malvinas Argentinas Islands, another anniversary (205) of the First National Government, our national anthem with images of our islands full of their owners.
May 25th, 2015 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmo5t_SWP2I
@ 241
May 25th, 2015 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where are the scenes of this bunch of losers having their arses handed to them when they LOST to a far smaller but greatly superior force?
No wonder The Dark Country is in the shitter if all you losers can do is look at failure as if you won. You didn't, you LOST, get used to it.
@242
May 25th, 2015 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor José's just confused between machismo and masochismo.
This is how you should be treated the invaders, as the May 25, 1982 ....
May 25th, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://fdra-malvinas.blogspot.com.ar/2015/05/ataques-aeronavales-en-collage.html
http://fdra-malvinas.blogspot.com.ar/2015/05/ataques-aeronavales-en-collage.html
@234 Voice..
May 25th, 2015 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The answer then to your question is therefore 'Yes', the Falkland Islanders been been referred to as both a People or a Population in UNGA documents.
As shown, the Falklands are a NSGT, the official UN definition of a NSGT has linked to earlier in the threat. Those points are fact not opinion, what you have done Voice, is to extrapolate an opinion based on the wording of a document to suit your argument. You have nothing, just your opinion, I have an provided an official UN definition which proves your opinion worthless, unfounded and puerile. Unless you can provide an official UN document that precludes the Falklands from this definition, then you are clutching at straws.
It may also be noted that the UN use the word 'inhabitants' interchangeably too with reference to NSGT.
Now Voice I will ask you again, show us all a UN document where they say the the Falklands are either not a NSGT or that they are an exception to the definition above. Or will it just be your opinion......again.
Sorry Voice, not even a good try from you, but keep trying.
Oi José loser… you got the wrong end of the stick..
May 25th, 2015 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://youtu.be/uhLzDC6bLPE
You Argys ran, the Argys were defeated.
Watch your defeated countrymen humiliated and surrendering their weapons.
You lost, you will never get our islands, get over it.
Fail again!
#244
May 25th, 2015 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AND HERE IS WHAT HAPPENS TO INVADERS JOSE enjoy !!!!
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE
#221
Are you setting off by canoe that it takes 2 months to reach the Falklands ?
Correct in saying that I have never made a FLP in my life BUT I have many friends who have PPL's including my son so I am well acquainted with the system.. my brother also was Chief Air traffic Controller for Scotland so I do have a reasonable idea of the requirements.
So, once again, as your attention span is that of a gnat, what will your call sign be ?
@244 José Malvinero
May 25th, 2015 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Usted ha olvidado algo - que el ejército argentino salió de las Islas FALKLAND después de la derrota y las tropas con sus colas entre las piernas como los chuchos que eran.
Translation : You have forgotten something - that the Argentine army left the Falkland Islands after its defeat with its troops with their “tails between their legs” like the dogs they were.
It really irritates me that this Falklands population remains closed to the remarkable offer formerly made by Ambassador Alicia Castro to Jeremy Browne at the Foreign Office where she made the formal proposal for direct flights to the Falklands from Argentina operated by Aerolineas Argentinas to improve communications and the quality of life to the Islanders.
May 25th, 2015 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An Argentine government spokesperson elaborated that Aerolinias Argentinas would be acquiring three Tupolev 154 modern aircraft to service the route. With a cruising speed of 975 kilometres per hour (606 mph), the Tu-154 is one of the fastest civilian aircraft in operation and has a range of 5,280 kilometres (3,280 mi). Capable of operating from unpaved and gravel airfields, it was widely used in extreme Arctic conditions where other airliners were unable to operate and where service facilities were very basic.
Certainly a direct connection to Buenos Aires would be far more preferable to the LAN weekly connection to remote Punta Arenas.
@249
May 25th, 2015 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what's more Captain Paul Cedron could fly it.
248
May 25th, 2015 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gordo puto, sabemos perfectamente que sos un super-recontra-traidor de mierda, argentino entregando el alma al diablo inglés por un plato de lentejas, despreciable pelotudo.
Translated:
Fucking fat, we know perfectly well that you're a super-recontra-fucking traitor, Argentine, handing soul to the devil English for a bowl of lentils, despicable asshole.
#251
May 25th, 2015 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sore loser !!
@249 And place our only airlink to the continent in the hands of the grubby and untrustworthy Argentines to use as a bargaining chip? No, I would rather no flights to the continent than having to deal with those filthy criminals.
May 25th, 2015 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with RGS is they don't realize they're losers.
May 25th, 2015 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone else does tho
245
May 25th, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Show me the resolution that specifically refers to the Falklanders as a people...
...if you can't I want to hear no more of your non specific generalisations....
Voice Shad up a your face a
May 25th, 2015 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are as much use as a bowl of limp spaghetti
It is very clear that the Argentine government is planning to go ahead with pushing LAN aside and taking over the exclusive right to fly to what they claim is their territory. LAN is in a difficult position as CFK can retaliate by cutting off their other routes across Argentina.
May 25th, 2015 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine government spokesperson, Juan Carlos Mancini, elaborated that Aerolineas Argentinas would be acquiring three jet aircraft capable of operating the route. In an earlier announcement, Alicia Castro, Ambassador to the United Kingdom mentioned that current plans of Aerolineas Argentinas will make the current LAN service no longer necessary. With the new flight service to Mount Pleasant, this will facilitate easier and more timely service “Argentina is committed to its territorial inhabitants best needs and remains serious about its promises for a peaceful solution with an opportunity to improve communications and the quality of life to the Islanders.”
Extraordinary measures will be made to compensate the islanders with special passport wavers for inhabitants of Las Malvinas to enter Argentina and cordiality of officials will be emphasized.
Hey Alberto...you are as sharp as those two hundred Italian sharpshooters that shot Kennedy...
May 25th, 2015 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I heard the new Italian Navy use glass bottomed boats...
So they can steer clear of the old Italian Navy..
How did they advertise surplus W. W. II Italian rifles for sale?
“Never fired, and only dropped once.”....
@ 257 Chicureo
May 25th, 2015 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now then! This wouldn't be another little wind up of yours about the argies taking the flights over that service the Falklands, would it? :o)
@251 Che José Malvinero
May 25th, 2015 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Soy tan argentino como LPMQTP!
What a fool you are to think that I am argentino! I have never willingly been in Argentina, I was born and bred thousands of miles away in a civilised country - Gracias a Dios.
255 Voice, Vestige, Think et al Still trying to sell the same discredited bill-of-goods. It's totally irrelevant what resolutions contain or don't as they are completely subordinent to international law thus: “UN Charter;DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES; Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained ..of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, ..b. to develop self-government, ...”
May 25th, 2015 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So regarding the right of self-determination and the Falkland Islands here it is in simple terms: in 1946 the UN agreed to place the Falkland Islands on the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories. The UN states that the inhabitants of all Non-Self-Governing Territories have a right to self-determination. The Falklands are on the list, so they enjoy the right to self-determination.
The UN News Centre UN Decoded: Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs)
”...The UN monitors progress towards self-determination in the Territories..., of which there are currently 17: ... Falkland Islands (Malvinas)“
http://www.un.org/apps/news/infocus/UNdecoded/UNdecoded.asp?NewsID=1320&sID=48
”SELF-DETERMINATION AS A CONTINUING RIGHT'. EXPRESSION OF THE POPULAR WILL; 53 Article 1(3) grants peoples of dependent territories (non-self-governing and trust territories) the right freely to decide their international status, in other words, whether to form a State or to associate with an existing sovereign”.
Self-determination of people: a legal reappraisal by Antonio Cassese
etc, etc
@210 idiot child/payaso/nabo/pelotudo/paulcedron
May 25th, 2015 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“england, you retarded fatso is at 12000 km of distance.
they have nothing to do in this continent.
got it now, you fatso?”
Whilst I am NOT fatso, I do agree that England - I presume you mean GREAT BRITAIN or the UNITED KINGDOM - is many miles away from the SUB CONTINENT of South America. Just as the Falkland Islands are many miles away from the SUB CONTINENT and that section of it which is the crap country of Argentina. But, then you know all about CRAP, don't you?
Voice, how many a times did you get whupped by the English… ?
May 25th, 2015 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you are still subserviant, out on a limb, in the constant rain, surrounded by midges assailed by the sound of whining - pipes ..:-(
At least you know your place ;-)
263
May 25th, 2015 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not as many times as the Italians....
Oh dear oh dear...he walked right into that one....
@228
May 25th, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“where are the ski resorts exactly?”
Have you never heard of stone run skiing?
Voice, we have a sunshine, wine, style, beautiful women, opera, beautiful historic cities and wonderful food. And… Ferraris!
May 25th, 2015 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have hairy drunks in skirts, miserable downtrodden folk in damp tweed, deep fried Mars Bars and a stalinist socialist government that has no real power subserviant to the Eton educated English government. And… apparently very badly informed.
Losers!
gordo tirapedos
May 25th, 2015 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so you are not a fatso, and yet your nickname is gordo.
you are a very, very imbecile fatso.
as for the islands, they are in south america, retarded fatso.
and the distance to argentina is just 300 km.
geography and geology are not your strong point, eh?
bertorelli
the only italian thing in you is your nickname.
bet you are another benny who is too embarrassed of recognizing it.
257 Chicureo
May 25th, 2015 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have a link for this? I find it very hard to believe that Argentina would go ahead with it.
They would need to negotiate directly with FIG to achieve it, and FIG would almost certainly refuse permission. In short, it's never going to happen, and they know it.
267 Pauly boti boy. You need Wikipedia… ..and a sense of humour
May 25th, 2015 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a mistaka to make a!
Nabo
Bahahahaha
267 Bum bandit Paulcedron.
May 25th, 2015 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The distance from Jersey Island (UK) to Graville nearest large town on French coast 50km.
Distance from Heligoland (Germany) to Tönning (Denmark) 70km
Distance from Spain to RGland 6000 miles.
Go back home to Spain!
@260 gordo1,
May 25th, 2015 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l don't think José likes you very much!
But then he probably doesn't like ANY of us!
Who cares?
paulcedron,
How many times have l told you to be quiet, niño?
Especially when the adults are talking.
Go outside & play with the other children.
And shut your gob.
@255...Show me a resolution that specifically precludes the Falkland Islanders from the UN definition of a NGST or any other UNGA document that precludes them from being a people by definition and I will show you one that specifically refers to the Falkland Islanders as a people.
May 25th, 2015 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously you seem to be of the opinion that your knowledge out ways and over rules the UN definition of NSGT's, Article 73 of the Charter and other Documents that refer to the People(s) of the remaining 17 NSGT.
And Voice, 'non specific generalisations', another opinion of yours, the UN definition of a NSGT if far from a non specific generalisation. It is in fact very specific in its wording.
'Non-Self-Governing Territory'
Description Defined by Article 73 of the Charter of the United Nations as a territory “whose people have not yet attained a full measure of self-government”
Again, you have nothing but your opinion, you are unable to refute the UN definition and reference to 'People(s)' with regard to NSGT's documents. But please go ahead and try, you seem to think you know better than the UN after all....
Voice You been riding dirty Nicola lately?/ dam that bitch is ugly her and the 20 year old not to clean LOOKING FISH FRYER WOULD MAKE A GOOD LEZZER COUPLE
May 25th, 2015 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0chilote
May 25th, 2015 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is very clear that the Argentine government is planning to go ahead with pushing LAN aside...”
“LAN is in a difficult position as CFK can retaliate by cutting off their other routes across Argentina. ”
have to agree.
this government already did some nasty things to LAN, like banning the use of hangars in Aeroparque, etc.
now, i do not think that aerolineas will be interested in flying to the islands.
they are already losing + 2 million dollars per day.
the last thing they need is a useless route which only produces losses.
the ilsets will be a bit more isloated, and that´s it.
not big deal.
isolda
shut up isolda.
bertorelli
what?
wikipedia?
voi non si capisce un cazzo.
falso italiano
Cicureo_ I can assure you IF Argentina pushes Lan aside- and the onlt wat they can do that is by publicly withdrawing the overflight permit - an international contravention of IATA etc and other international conventions of interstate communications - which yes they could do but it would cause a bit of a fuss and make Argentina NO friends anywhere.
May 25th, 2015 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can assure you NO Argentine Airline would gain and create a new link from mainland S.America to the Islands.
Can you imagine AA for example having to accept that the Falkland Islands exiost as a small country with their own laws and rules that AA would have to comply with - and formally communicate with the Falkland Islands Govt Dept of Civil Aviation, Falkland Islands Govt Dept of Immigration and Customs etc etc?
Lan does as it and Chile recognise we exist - me thinks Argentina would not.
And anyway we here would refuse any approach from an Argentine Airline to take over. We have been down that road before - a friendly Argentina for a while-and then they start to tighten the screws. So we are quite happy for a long long time yet with ZERO reliance on anything Argentine!
So sorry Paulie - if your Govt cust lan you will have to fly further to get here if that is your ambition.
And all your 1982 Veterans and families of those buried here will be well pissed off that they cannot visit here any more!
You call Paulie - we here could not give a tinkers damn what you do - got it?
266
May 25th, 2015 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hairy...?
How do Italian girls shave their legs?
They lie down outside and have someone mow them.
If Tarzan and Jane were Italian, what would Cheetah be?
The least hairy of the three.
Skirts....the Greeks wore skirts and they beat you as well...did Italy beat anyone...? Oh yeah that's right...they beat a hasty retreat...
272
...all that and you still can't show me one resolution that specifically refers to the islanders as a people...give up there isn't one...
273
...you are just weird...
but I'm sure you've heard that often....
isleteer 1 neurone
May 25th, 2015 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems to me that you are giving too much importance to the islets as a market for an airline.
nobody cares too much to have the islands in their routes.
LAN has a lot of routes in Argentina, they fly to practically the same destinations as AA.
they will not risk those routes to go to an insignificant place like the islets.
as for the veterans, etc, they will be the first in understanding a measure like this.
anyway, you live in those isolated islets to be isolated from the real world, so, why all that fuss?
Paulie- you are a dimwit! I am explaining to you that we Islanders could not care if you withdraw the overflight permit!
May 26th, 2015 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lan make a profit overall on the Falklands route so they will not drop the route just because Argentina asks them. Your President tried that 2 years ago- and got a big fat NO! So if you want to stop the route - YOU will have to do it - if you have the balls?
Another airline could fly to the Islands if it can see a business case, using a route that is outside Arg control.
We have been connected to the real world long before the Lan flight started I can assure you!
276 Voice, Vestige, Think et al “...show me one resolution that specifically refers to the islanders as a people...” Once again numbnuts, it's totally irrelevant what resolutions contain or don't, as they are completely subordinent to international law thus: “UN Charter; DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES; Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained ..of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, ..b. to develop self-government, ...”
May 26th, 2015 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0So regarding the right of self-determination and the Falkland Islands here it is in simple terms: in 1946 the UN agreed to place the Falkland Islands on the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories. The UN states that the inhabitants of all Non-Self-Governing Territories have a right to self-determination. The Falklands are on the list, so they enjoy the right to self-determination.
The UN News Centre: UN Decoded: Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs): ”...The UN monitors progress towards self-determination in the Territories..., of which there are currently 17: ... Falkland Islands (Malvinas)“ http://www.un.org/apps/news/infocus/UNdecoded/UNdecoded.asp?NewsID=1320&sID=48
”3.2 Western Sahara (Advisory Opinion of 16 October 1975
In the Court’s opinion the right of that population to self-determination constituted a basic assumption of the questions put before it.29 It further noted that the Decolonization Declaration was complemented by General Assembly resolution 1541(XV) which contemplated three possibilities for the decolonization process of non-self-governing territories, namely (a) emergence as a sovereign independent State; (b) free association with an independent State; or (c) integration with an independent State.” p.9 Self-Determination through the Lens of the International Court of Justice by Gentian Zyberi
@262 paulcedron/idiot child/huevon/pelotudo/nabo/mamarracho/payaso
May 26th, 2015 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Once and for all - the Falkland Islands are 1) situated well outside the internationally recognised maritime limits of the countries of the South American subcontinent and 2)the ethnicity and social culture of the people of the islands bears no resemblance to those of the SUBCONTINENT. Ergo, the Falklands are not part of South America.
gordo tirapedos
May 26th, 2015 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0you cannot be more imbecile, can you, you flatulent fatso?
read and learn:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America#Outlying_islands
Paulcedron, you really are a thicko arent you? Completely dumb. As an RG troll a total failure. Constantly mocked, constantly just wrong, easily exposed. I am surprised Mrs Castro tolerates you let alone pays you.
May 26th, 2015 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a mistaka to maka
benny bertorelli
May 26th, 2015 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0stop pretending you are italian, you benny-billhilly.
surely you are another not too bright islander “educated” in that joke of pork stanley community school.
they did not teach you the concept of continent, continental shelf and stuff, no?
or are you both too imbecile to understand it?
281 paulcedron While you piddle around with an informative but unauthoritative site like Wikipedia, let me bring you up to speed with the real McCoy for the umpteenth time on the legal reality. ”International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,” p.74 The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine...By Roberto C. Laver
May 26th, 2015 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paul you really are thick! Read the Wiki page and see who Alberto really is… what a thick Dumbkopf! Doh !!! And, read Terences post above to inform yourself.
May 26th, 2015 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fly a plane? Design a building? Bet you cant wipe your own botty..
What a mistake a to make a
@281 Cara de culo/idiot child/mamarracho et etc
May 26th, 2015 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As far as I can see the Falklands are defined in your marvellous WIKI point of reference as outlying islands - its does NOT say that the Falklands are PART of South America. It says they MAY be considered...........
So piss off and come back with more acceptable proof.
@284:
May 26th, 2015 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, but you see, you're quoting the ICJ.
Argentina doesn't *want* to go (or listen) tothe ICJ, because it would be a fair and equitable hearing, which means they'd certainly lose.
The adherents to the Malvinas Lie are all to happy to keep lying to their neighbours to try and curry favour or political support over the Falklands.
Any fair and honest discussion is right out the window, since such talks would resolve the dispute, but not in favour of Argentina.
@287 CKurze30k - This is very good news.
May 26th, 2015 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2015/05/26/belize-and-guatemala-en-route-to-solve-territorial-dispute-sponsored-by-oas
So that you trolls take note.
@283
May 26th, 2015 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“they did not teach you the concept of continent, continental shelf and stuff, no?
or are you both too imbecile to understand it?”
@284
”International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,” p.74 The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine...By Roberto C. Laver”
Paul, because of the above, you are the imbecile-you never follow through your theories.
Did you pass a degree or did your studies end when you designed a building that collapsed?
Remember when you approach which ever airfield is unravelling the red carpet for you in the Falklands, don't be 'Paul' and forget to lower the undercarriage.
There, a piece of simple advice to prevent the Falkland Islands Civil Aviation Department investigating an accident (and you will be thankful the department isn't Argentine, hah hah).
gordo lanza gases.
May 26th, 2015 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why are you so boludo?
is it because the fat is clogging that only neurone you have in that fat-head?
eh???
those islands are part of argentina, and thus of south america, from every point of view.
geographic, geologic, historical, you name the rest you fatso.
and a bit of advice, try to read something about the plataforma continental patagónica, you ass.
those islands are an integral part of it, it doesnt matter what the fuck you, fatty camoron, the old bitch of england or whoever the fuck you want, opine about it.
#290
May 26th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My, my, we are in a strop ! Why does this remind me of you Eh, Eh ?
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=LulqXjPABgY
invalid link grandpa
May 26th, 2015 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 292 cara de culo ignorante
May 26th, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you had any sense at all you would have tried this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LulqXjPABgY
and you would have received an education in how you Argentine trolls appear to us discerning people.
Surely you must have some redeeming features!
@290 Cabanaboy Cedron/petite voice
May 26th, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“those islands are part of argentina, and thus of south america, from every point of view.
geographic, geologic, historical, you name the rest you fatso.”
Repeat whatever self-satisfying hyperbole you like, but you have nothing to back it up.
You have consistently failed to make a successful argument to support your points of view, geographic, geologic, historical, you name the rest you fatso.
You are a simple puppet - just verbal harassment - no energy is expended to make you believable or back up your statements.
You call yourself “anti-K”, yet you publicly support all her policies on this forum.
You're a cheap wind-up artist, nothing more.
@292 paulcedron/idiot child/ etc etc
May 26th, 2015 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read this and you will see how mature and sensible countries behave.
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/05/26/belize-and-guatemala-en-route-to-solve-territorial-dispute-sponsored-by-oas
Argentina only goes to the ICJ over paper mills and when it is miffed by the so called “vulture” founds. An important matter like the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands does not warrant this, does it?
@ 276 Voice... Why do I need to provide a resolution, when the UN have defined what a NSGT is? You cannot prove an alternative definition that precludes the Falklands Islanders from that very specific definition pertaining to the 17 NSGT, which defines each and every one as 'Peoples' not 'Population', not 'Inhabitants' but People. So the onus is on you to prove this definition does not relate to the Falkland Islanders. Got any thing.........no I thought not.
May 26th, 2015 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with you Voice is that you can't see the wood for the trees, stop acting like the village idiot. On seconds thoughts, keep acting like the village idiot, it gives us all a good laugh.
imbecile 294
May 26th, 2015 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0my anti kirchnerismo has nothing to do with this sovereignty issue, you ass.
the pro, ucr, peronismo in any of its variants, kirchnerismo, the left, the right, whatever the fuck you want, agree in this issue.
try not to opine about what you dont understand, imbecile 294.
imbecile 295
mercopress is your only source of information?
lol.
now i know why you are so deluded, ignorant and brainwashed, you fatso.
Paulie- I hate to shatter your dreams but there are BIG Geologicalk differences between the Islands and Patagonia.
May 26th, 2015 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Patagonia as the south end of S America broke away from the South western side of the African continent.
The Falklands broke off from the Eastern side of South Africa - Durban and East London area and got dragged across the south Atlantic ocean as it then became behind the bottom end of S.America.
We are geologically different in several ways.
297 polly voice puppet
May 26th, 2015 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as I said @294,
You can not, and to be honest, have not even attempted to back up your wild statements about Falklands sovereignty.
Your political statements are not consistent - you say you are anti-K, yet you back her policies.
Very little time and effort is invested in your persona.
As a puppet, you are a simple, economical, construct, intended to piss us off.
If you were a real individual, I would say you are so hopelessly insecure, that you are afraid of facts and real debate.
You try to reassure yourself while shouting us down.
Either way, you are a waste of time.
Paulo Cedron, idiota, raging phsycho, no logic, unable to present any coherent argument. Lets face it Paulo is simply a troll that gives us all a laugh. Poke him and he squeals. Piggy piggy piggy! Bahahahaha
May 26th, 2015 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0298 Islander1
May 26th, 2015 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We are geologically different in several ways”
Never understood that part of the argentine claim anyway..........
But let us take Bottyboypaulie's logic and apply to the UK shall we? The Falkland Islands are some 400 miles from argentina but are part of the same continental plate yes?
so they are part of argentina right? Bottyboypaulie actually says:- “remember, the islands are part of argentina, thats why they are so close to our coast”
Applying that logic to the UK we should claim a whole hell of a lot of France as British!! For even as BottyBoypaulie would say “remember, France is part of the UK, that's why it's so close to our coast”
400 miles? Damn!!! Bit's of Holland are some long lost part of the UK as well!!! We might as well up a claim in for a fair chunk of Greenland while we are at it. We have a lot of “Territorial integrity” to restore if we are ever to become a United Kingdom again!!!
paulcedron,
May 26th, 2015 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a Windup Troll.
Troll, Troll, Troll, burn the Troll!
290 paulcedron “those islands are part of argentina, and thus of south america, from every point of view.”except where it counts historically or legally. You were explicitly barred under prior Anglo-Spanish treaties from ever holding sovereignty. Under Utrecht and Nootka Spain had promised NEVER to cede any of her territories, and gave permission for the UK to continue further development in Islands, in the event of a third parties' intrusion. Along with shared sovereignty of the islands from the 1771 Declaration. Thus: Peace of Utrecht: Article VIII, “...it is hereby further agreed and concluded, that neither the Catholic King, nor any of his heirs and successors whatsoever, shall sell, yield, pawn, transfer, or by any means, or under any name, alienate from them and the crown of Spain, to the French, or to any other nations whatever, any lands, dominions, or territories, or any part thereof, belonging to Spain in America.”
May 26th, 2015 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Nootka Convention: “...Article VI provided that neither party would form new establishments on any of the islands adjacent to the east and west coasts of South America then occupied by Spain.......”” there was an additional secret article which stipulated that Article VI shall remain in force only so long as no establishment shall have been formed by the subjects of any other power on the coasts in question. This secret article had the same force as if it were inserted in the convention.......The United Provinces of the River Plate was not a party to the convention. Therefore it is defined in the convention as 'other power' and the occupation of the settlement (at Port Louis) by subjects of any other power negated Article VI and allowed Great Britain to re-assert prior sovereignty and form new settlements.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootka_Convention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootka_Convention
303
May 27th, 2015 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0So we are back to that again Terry...how many times do I have to tell you that the Secret Article is the only bit that mentions other powers and conveniently it doesn't mention the Islands...
Since by article 6 of the present convention it has been stipulated, respecting the EASTERN AND WESTERN COASTS OF SOUTH AMERICA, that the respective subjects shall not in the future form any establishment on the parts of these coasts situated to the south of the parts of the said coasts actually occupied by Spain, it is agreed and declared by the present article that this stipulation shall remain in force only so long as no establishment shall have been formed by the subjects of any other power on the coasts in question. This secret article shall have the same force as if it were inserted in the convention.
This obviously only refers to the Mainland...
So strike it out of your repertoire ...
lets see the typical arguments of the isleteers:
May 27th, 2015 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0benny bertorelli: “Poke him and he squeals. Piggy piggy piggy! Bahahahaha
isolda: ”Troll, Troll, Troll, burn the Troll!”
you cannot expect too much with that kind of statements, eh?
304 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
May 27th, 2015 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...only refers to the Mainland...” only according to your unsupported sophism. I happen to have a couple of unbiased experts on hand that support entirely the interpretation I have posted. and are therefor refuting your 'lonely' assertion.
”...Argentine historian Diego Luis Molinari believes that the secret clause in the Nootka Sound Convention was specifically put in by Britain with the Falklands in mind, and that Britain's reassertion of
sovereignty in 1833 (see sections 18 and 19) was an exercise of Britain's rights under this clause. In the opinion of Professor Dolzer,(legal representative for Argentina) (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRudolf_Dolzer&edit-text=) the Nootka Sound Convention was a purely bipartite agreement between
Britain and Spain, which means that Argentina could not benefit from its provisions in any way...“ Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper
Moreover, your assertion would in any event be dismissed as an ab absurdo interpretation. To wit:
Maxwell on Interpretation of Statutes wrote:
”Where the language of a statute, in its ordinary meaning and grammatical construction, leads to a manifest contradiction of the apparent purpose of the enactment, or to some inconvenience or absurdity which can hardly have been intended,... ...An example of an ab absurdo interpretation of a statute or of a contract would be where the conclusion empties the phrase under scrutiny of no effect whatsoever.”
Piggy piggy Paul, you are dare to criticize me for posting inane rubbish? Its what YOU publish all the time, unsubstantiated assertions backed with no facts.
May 27th, 2015 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ever heard of irony?
What a mistake a to make a!
306
May 27th, 2015 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you admit you are relying on an interpretation....
Is that like an opinion..?
Do you ever have any straight forward facts...?
Also as far as I'm aware...New States do not inherit treaties without consent....
and...
“leads to a manifest contradiction ”
If we are relying on opinions...what makes you think the secret article was the contradiction...? VI could have just as easily been the contradiction...
...another one of your absolute proofs...bites the dust...
308 Voice, Vestige, Think et al: I am simply countering your unqualified and unsupported opinion with that of qualified unbiased experts. I see, only you are allowed to make interpretations, whereas a rebuttal by those with the comparative expertise is not allowed. Absolute nonsense is what you proffer and is what I have patently exposed. So when you make unqualified assertions be prepared to be shot down. “the secret article was the contradiction”, it isn't at all, it is your absurdity in attempting to nullify it's application.
May 27th, 2015 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0309
May 27th, 2015 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0An example of Absolute nonsense...is your claim that the article is applicable based on an opinion....
Please let me reiterate....IT SPECIFICALLY DOES NOT MENTION ISLANDS ONLY THE COASTS OF THE MAINLAND!!!
...and that is a fact not an opinion...
again...you have nothing....how many Planks do you have left now...?....
...two short ones....;-)))
308 Voice, Vestige, Think et al: Carry on with your lonely unsupported sophism, because there is not one expert who gives credence to your singular interpretation. Unlike my supported orthodox position. You are simply a voice in the wilderness, like the cry of the loon.
May 27th, 2015 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina’s delegate took the floor again to express gratitude for the overwhelming support of previous speakers”. Full stop. She received no support at all. As always. http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/gacol3278.doc.htm
May 27th, 2015 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@312
May 27th, 2015 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fortunately, matters or law, democracy and human rights are not decided by a clique of Italo-Iberian implanted colonial populations voting on an ethnic basis, even when they're supported by a bunch of loonies and dictatorships pursuing their own agenda.
@310
Haven't you realised yet that everything is opinion, it's the weight of argument that counts? In that respect, you're doing about as well as Wil E. Coyote.
313 Hans
May 27th, 2015 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The poor wee troll @310 will trot out these very same remarks, each time the subject of Falklands Self Determination pops up.
Each time, he fails to prove do not have sovereignty, and each time he fails to prove they are not entitled to self determination.
All while DEMANDING ( how Argentine of him) that the other posters provide specific UN language that the Falklands are included in every right of the Charter, and insulting those who defy him with arguments.
It is obvious that he's only in it for the fleeting attention it brings him.
What a pathetic schmuck.
?==No taxation without representation==
May 27th, 2015 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0do argies pay tax to the Falkland's,
NO,
the no representation....lol
British you know your on the right side....lol
In 1850 Argentina and Britain signed the Arana Southern Treaty also known as the Convention of Settlement. This Treaty clears the air between Argentina and Great Britain and by its agreement Argentina foregoes all rights it might have had to sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.
May 27th, 2015 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is why Argentina fails, time and again, to present its case to the ICJ but does recur to this court for relatively unimportant matters concerning a paper mill conflict with Uruguay and payment of its sovereign debt to, what they call, the “vulture funds”.
They do say, these things have to be ratified, so they say,
May 27th, 2015 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well, it was well and truly cemented in 1982
316
May 27th, 2015 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0let's see you dear gordo.
the tratado Southern Arana LePrédour was signed after the english and french naval forces were defeated.
the main issue of the treaty was that both invaders had to recognize the defeat and finish the blockade.
the islands are not even mentioned.
otherwise, it would the first time in history that the victor concedes the defeated part of its territory.
sounds pretty ridiculous, non monsieur?
then, why the fuck you dont return to primary school you ignorant fatso, study history and logic and geography again and then opine?
maybe you need a brain transplant too,cause obviously that ball of fat you have in that head is totally useless.
318 paulcedron The Convention of Settlement, 1850. This is how legal scholars of the day and therefore nations viewed the effects of such a peace treaty to wit, so it's irrelevant whether the Islands are included: LAWS OF WAR By H. W. HALLECK, 1866, CHAPTER XXXIV, TREATIES OF PEACE.
May 27th, 2015 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0§ 12. Principle of uti possidetes. A treaty of peace leaves every thing in the state in which it finds it, unless there be some express stipulations to the contrary. The existing state of possession is maintained, except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the possessor, and his title cannot afterward be called in question. ... ...Treaties of peace, made by the competent authorities of such governments, are obligatory upon the whole nation, and, consequently, upon all succeeding governments, whatever may be their character.
Supported by the following international legal scholars: GROTIUS, Vattel, HENRY WHEATON, LL.D, JAMES MADISON CUTT, T. J. LAWRENCE, M.A., LL.D, GEORGE GRAFTON WILSON, Ph.D., LL.D, L. OPPENHEIM, M.A., LL.D, Hans Kelsen
Additionally supported by Argentine subsequent acquiescence. The Argentine president Domingo Sarmiento’s Message to the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1869:
“The state of our foreign relations fulfils the aspirations of the country. Nothing is claimed from us by other nations; we have nothing to ask of them except that they will persevere in manifesting their sympathies, with which both Governments and peoples have honoured the Republic, both for its progress and its spirit of fairness.” (printed in: British and Foreign State Papers 1870-1871 (printed London 1877), p. 1227-1228).
this is the tratado southern arana, you ass, and NOT what they have taught you at the pork stanley community school
May 28th, 2015 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.elhistoriador.com.ar/documentos/epoca_de_rosas/acuerdo_con_gran_bretana_tras_el_enfrentamiento_en_la_vuelta_de_obligado.php
320
May 28th, 2015 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0it seems the “voice” and the “petite-voice”, are BOTH experts.
I can't tell them apart, can you?
:-D
320 paulcedron So you've posted a copy of the 1850 Convention of Settlement so what I've got my own copy from here. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1850_Convention_of_Settlement. It's still a Peace Treaty as confirmed by your own archives. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1850_Convention_of_Settlement. id=a1wFAAAAQAAJ&dq=arana+southern+tratado+paz&pg=PA100#v=onepage&q=arana%20southern%20tratado%20paz&f=false State Documents relative to the last Convention of Peace, celebrated with England;VIVA LA CONFEDERACION !;Death to the ruthless Unitarians!;The Executive Power
May 28th, 2015 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Buenos Ayres, December 27th 1849; 40th year of our liberty. 31th of our Independence and 20th of the Argentine Confederation;To the Honourable Chamber of Representatives
Mess''Representatives;The Government, in discharge of its duty, has the honour of presenting to your enlightened examination.— 101 —“...granted to H. E. the Honourable Henry Southern Esquire to sign and conclude the Convention of Peace. ...”
Thus the legal interpretation afforded by the international jurists of the period, as presented by H. W. HALLECK in post #319 to wit: “...A treaty of peace leaves every thing in the state in which it finds it, unless there be some express stipulations to the contrary. The existing state of possession is maintained, except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the possessor, and his title cannot afterward be called in question. ...”
So this is what I have learnt as an adult, people like you never grow up so you never learn more than the indoctrination received at school.
@320 Cara de culo etc etc
May 28th, 2015 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are always keen to use wikipedia as your source of information. This is what it says about the Arana Southern Treaty
“A number of historians have commented on the relation of the Convention of Settlement to the Falklands dispute. The Mexican diplomat and historian Carlos Pereyra considers that General Rosas gave up the claim to the Falklands in order to end Britain's involvement in the River Plate.
The impact of the treaty was also raised in a 1950 debate on Argentina's claim to the Falklands by a member of the Argentine Chamber of Deputies, Absalón Rojas. Other Argentine historians have commented on the impact that the Convention of Settlement has upon Argentina's modern sovereignty claim, such as historian Alfredo R. Burnet-Merlín. Ernesto J. Fitte considers that the Argentine Confederation should have included its restitution in the treaty.”
@305
May 28th, 2015 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“you cannot expect too much with that kind of statements, eh?”
Are you familiar with the phrase Pot calling the Kettle black?
When you are seriously challenged on issues in these posts your comments are worse than those you have quoted and your references suddenly dry up.
I would like you to educate me though, before you kindly sent a CT scanner to me in the UK as a Christmas present.
What is VNE?
'ello, 'ello, 'ello what do we 'ave 'ere...
May 28th, 2015 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that cherry picking Terry Hill of Sao Paulo Brazil ...cherry picking quotes again...?
Got to keep an eye on him, he only chooses the paragraphs that suit his argument and omitting previous defining ones....
For instance....
Same book...same author... same opinion...previous paragraph....
“§ 11. A treaty of peace does not extinguish claims unconnected with the cause of the war. Debts prior to the war, and injuries committed prior to the war, but which made no part of the reasons for undertaking it. remain entire, and the remedies are revived. The treaty of peace says Wheaton, ”does not extinguish claims founded upon debts contracted, or injuries inflicted previously to the war, and unconnected with its causes unless there be an express stipulation to that effect. Nor does it affect private rights acquired antecedently to the war, or private injuries unconnected with the causes which produced the war. ”
Were the Islands specifically mentioned...?
Were the islands connected with the cause of the war...?
Strike another one of your planks from the list Terry....;-))))
I don't know why you bother, the islanders don't appreciate your efforts...they call you a Troll and it was down to 'Ole Voice to defend you...... happy to oblige....
Cant see why you continually argue about this subject. Both sides are firm about their views. We already had one war and Argyland lost big time. Everyone knows that nothing will change because mostly because Argyland doesn't dare take its shaky arguments to the ICJ. Result, stalemate and bad feeling. If it wasn't for the Latino inferiority complex and shame at loss of face international relations would be normal and trade would recommence benefiting everyone. As it is Argyland continues to loose big time.
May 28th, 2015 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THE TRUE HISTORY OF MALVINAS: In 1766, Spain acquired the French colony of Port St. Louis, and after assuming effective control in 1767, placed the islands under a governor subordinate to the Buenos Aires colonial administration. Spain alone maintained a settlement ruled from Buenos Aires under the control of the Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata until 1811. On leaving in 1811, Spain, too, left behind a plaque asserting her claims. On 6 November 1820, Colonel David Jewett raised the flag of the United Provinces of the River Plate (Argentina) at Port Louis. Jewett was an American sailor and privateer in the employment of Buenos Aires businessman Patrick Lynch to captain his ship, the frigate Heroína (Lynch had obtained a corsair licence from the Buenos Aires Supreme Director Jose Rondeau). Jewett had put into the islands the previous month, following a disastrous eight month voyage with most of his crew disabled by scurvy and disease. After resting in the islands and repairing his ship he returned to Buenos Aires. Occupation began in 1828 with the foundation of a settlement and a penal colony. This settlement was destroyed by United States warships in 1831 after the Argentine governor of the islands Luis Vernet seized U.S. seal hunting ships during a dispute over fishing rights. They left behind escaped prisoners and pirates. In November 1832, Argentina sent another governor who was killed in a mutiny. In Jan 1833 UK took advantage of those situations and invaded Malvinas.
May 28th, 2015 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Odd then, that Vernet asked the British government for permission to occupy the islands and set up a business, before 1833.
May 28th, 2015 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oops!
@327 Total fiction. The usual fairy stories, lies and myths! When will the trolls learn that their brainwashed imaginations are worth nothing?
May 28th, 2015 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@327, Like others have said you have simply twisted the story. But at the end of the day it's history, we could debate the history of the Falklands to the end of the earth. What matters is that my family, and others, have lived here for almost 9 generations, longer than many in Argentina, these are OUR Islands and we alone will decide there fate. To say we have no right to be here is like saying Argentina should be given back to the native inhabitants. Argentina should just accept it's loses and give up, it criticises Britain for it's colonial history but acts in the same manner, pathetic really.
May 28th, 2015 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nitro 327 - Funny that your version of the “truth” makes no reference to the British settlement that was established in 1765.
May 28th, 2015 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The the war that nearly was between Britain and Spain after the Spanish forced the British out - and then signed a treaty acknowledging British ownership and thus the British settlement returned in peace until 1775 when it was withdrawn for economic reason but Sovereignty not left open with the flag left flying and a clear sign stating the Islands were british territory
But then - of course yours is the Argentine version of “truth” isn,t it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@327 Found this interesting article, perhaps you should give it a read and tell me what you think.
May 28th, 2015 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.academia.edu/10490336/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims
332
May 28th, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll tell you what I think....
It was uploaded by our very own Brit Bob...
Full of part quotes and opinions used by Brit Bob and Terry Hill and as you can see from post 325...easily debunked.... ;-)
@333, Well allow me to debunk Argentina's ridiculous sovereignty claim. Argentina has held de facto control of the Islands for what? 2-3 years at most in two centuries, could be a little more, could be a little less, I don't care, so it's hardly an integral part of the country. My family, and others, have been here for 9 generations, so we are no longer an implanted population, in fact the Americas's were nearly all implanted by colonists. These are OUR islands and we will decide whom we align ourselves with. Argentina's claim is both imperialistic and colonialist, how can any 21st century country still be pushing a claim from the 1800's, it pathetic.
May 28th, 2015 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has NO claim,
May 28th, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain has no claim
France has no claim,
Pluto has no claim,
but CFK could prove me wrong,
take it to the ICJ or soddy offy.
333 Voice
May 28th, 2015 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It wasn't debunked. I raised 20 points and invited you to challenge them. You declined.
336
May 28th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Soooo...Bob what did you think of the way I debunked....your third point concerning the peace treaty....I noticed you were using the same quote as Terry Hill....
Did you also fail to read the previous paragraph...?
Got anything to say about that...?
ps...there are only 10 points on that link...not 20....
pps ...You have never challenged me... ergo I have never declined....
@337 2x papers, 2 links, 20 points.
May 28th, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0‘
a Convention for Re-establishing Per
fect Friendship between Her Britannic Majesty and the Argentine Confederation,’
is written as the pre-amble of the
treaty. Although the Falklands was not specifically mentioned, the law applicable and in force at the time states, ‘
the treaty
of peace leaves everything in the state in which it found it unless there is some express stipulation to the contrary. The existing state of possession is maintained except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing is said about the
conquered country or p
laces, they remain with the conqueror and his title cannot be afterwards be called into question.’
watch and learn, you pirates.
May 28th, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lowCuD8OYE
338
May 28th, 2015 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bob...read the previous paragraph from the same guy...from the same book...
Here you go...
“§ 11. A treaty of peace does not extinguish claims unconnected with the cause of the war. Debts prior to the war, and injuries committed prior to the war, but which made no part of the reasons for undertaking it. remain entire, and the remedies are revived. The treaty of peace says Wheaton, ”does not extinguish claims founded upon debts contracted, or injuries inflicted previously to the war, and unconnected with its causes unless there be an express stipulation to that effect. Nor does it affect private rights acquired antecedently to the war, or private injuries unconnected with the causes which produced the war. ”
Dont care what happened in the 1800's, it doesn't matter anymore.
May 28th, 2015 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@339 When are you travelling to the Falklands Pauly?
325 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
May 28th, 2015 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is there no end to your subterfuge, heres what your quoted author had to to say about the effect of a peace treaty. Exactly as as I had originally declared it is in support of HALLECK's definition. So who's doing the cherry picking again?
“ELEMENTS of INTERNATIONAL LAW. With A SKETCH of the HISTORY OF THE SCIENCE. By HENRY WHEATON, LL.D.
IN TWO VOLUMES. VOL. I.
LONDON: B. FELLOWES. LUDGATE STREET. 1836.
TREATY OF PEACE. 285
…The effect of a treaty of peace is to put an end to the war, and to abolish the subject matter of it. It is an agreement to waive all discussion concerning the respective rights and claims of the parties, and to bury in oblivion the original causes of the war.…
14. The treaty of peace leaves every thing in the state in which it found it, unless there be some express stipulation to the contrary. The existing state of possession is maintained, except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the conqueror, and his title cannot afterwards be called in question...”
The Argentine president Domingo Sarmiento’s also agrees in his message to the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1869: “...Nothing is claimed from us by other nations; we have nothing to ask of them ...”
@ 339 Voice
May 28th, 2015 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Both sides interpreted the Treaty as 'settling ALL outstanding differences'
u-tube warrior,
May 28th, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0watch and learn, ICJ or nothing.
342/343
May 28th, 2015 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bob and Tezza.....
“and to bury in oblivion the original causes of the war.…”
Were the Islands the original cause of the war...?
Nope....
“§ 11. A treaty of peace does not extinguish claims unconnected with the cause of the war. ”
What part of that are you both not understanding...?
@339 Voice
May 28th, 2015 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0number of historians have commented on the relation of the Convention of Settlement to the Falklands dispute. The Mexican diplomat and historian Carlos Pereyra considers that General Rosas gave up the claim to the Falklands in order to end Britain's involvement in the River Plate.
The impact of the treaty was also raised in a 1950 debate on Argentina's claim to the Falklands by a member of the Argentine Chamber of Deputies, Absalón Rojas.
Other Argentine historians have commented on the impact that the Convention of Settlement has upon Argentina's modern sovereignty claim, such as historian Alfredo R. Burnet-Merlín.[16] Ernesto J. Fitte considers that the Argentine Confederation should have included its restitution in the treaty.
It has been asserted that “Between the re-establishment of British rule on the Falkland Islands in 1833 and the ratification of the treaty, Argentina sent annual protests to the British government by means of the Message to Congress,[citation needed] thereby maintaining Argentina's claim to the islands[citation needed]”. Following the treaty, such protests ceased,[citation needed] and Argentina did not protest again diplomatically until 1888.The matter was not raised again before the Argentine Congress until 1941. The British government cites this change as evidence that “there is no question over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands”.
Bob do you not realise that you are quoting from.... International law; or, Rules regulating the intercourse ... . Halleck, H. W. (Henry Wager), 1815-1872.
May 28th, 2015 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and my quote is from the same book....previous paragraph..?
It's called cherry picking quotes....if you are going to quote his opinion...quote all of his opinion...
Or don't quote from him...
Terry Hill hasn't got a clue what he's talking about...he used the same PART quote...;-)))
345 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
May 28th, 2015 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What part of that are you not understanding...? ”The existing state of possession is maintained, except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the conqueror, and his title cannot afterwards be called in question...”. Plus, the subsequent explicit acquiescence Argentine president Domingo Sarmiento. So your just a 'lone' unqualified and unsupported by any expert opinion, as is always the case.
348
May 28th, 2015 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What part of these quotes are you not understanding...?
”The existing state of possession is maintained, except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the conqueror, and his title cannot afterwards be called in question...”.
International law; or, Rules regulating the intercourse ... . Halleck, H. W. (Henry Wager), 1815-1872...CHAPTER XXXIV, TREATIES OF PEACE.
“§ 11. A treaty of peace does not extinguish claims unconnected with the cause of the war. Debts prior to the war, and injuries committed prior to the war, but which made no part of the reasons for undertaking it. remain entire, and the remedies are revived. The treaty of peace says Wheaton, ”does not extinguish claims founded upon debts contracted, or injuries inflicted previously to the war, and unconnected with its causes unless there be an express stipulation to that effect. Nor does it affect private rights acquired antecedently to the war, or private injuries unconnected with the causes which produced the war. ”
International law; or, Rules regulating the intercourse ... . Halleck, H. W. (Henry Wager), 1815-1872....CHAPTER XXXIV, TREATIES OF PEACE.
Same guy you fool...;0))))
So what we're supposed to believe now is that a mere 17 years after the monstrous usurpation outrage of 1833, etc, etc, Argentina mysteriously forgot to qualify a treaty of 'perfect friendship” then inadvertently kept quiet about the whole thing for a further 40 years, with nobody thinking to remind the President, and after that let 50 more years go by before raising the matter in Congress.
May 28th, 2015 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't shoot the messenger
May 28th, 2015 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm only quoting from their source...
If it is so called proof..maybe they should use both paragraphs...11 and 12...;-)
Vopice-Pailie and others. Look this is all OLD HAT - well chewed over and spat out many many tiomes on here.
May 28th, 2015 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IF you believe in what you say - then WHY does the Argentine Govt not take the case to the Int Court of Justice - IJC?
That is the only Int place of ANY relevance for the dispute- The UN has no authority in this area.
So WHY have successive Arg Govts not attempted to do so?
349 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
May 28th, 2015 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Terry Hill hasn't got a clue what he's talking about...he used the same PART quote..”You must have a reading comprehension since your original response to my quote from HALLECK was your quote of WHEATON . My subsequent response at post #342 was a further quote from WHEATON. “Same guy you fool...” No you stated at post #325 “...The treaty of peace says Wheaton...” So who is the fool again? the one with his foot in his mouth. So according to your past president there were no “...claims founded upon debts contracted, or injuries inflicted previously to the war,...” Meanwhile try to wriggle around Argentine acquiescence on the issue until 1941.
Voice/Think, whoever you are, you're clutching at straws.
May 28th, 2015 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know that you're wrong, stop prolonging the agony.
This land DOES NOT belong to Argentina, never has & never will.
As l have said many times & lslander1 @352 states, ”if you are so sure that you are right, then take your proof to the ICJ.
It can't be any clearer than that.
Finis
354 Isolde
May 28th, 2015 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignore the pettifogging “turnip”.
This is nothing to do with sovereignty, but everything to do with a wee voice being heard.
353
May 28th, 2015 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha bloody ha...what a bozo...the quote is from ...International law; or, Rules regulating the intercourse ... . Halleck, H. W. (Henry Wager), 1815-1872....CHAPTER XXXIV, TREATIES OF PEACE.
I have never quoted from Wheaton...Halleck in the second part of the paragraph quoted Wheaton not me...
Both paragraphs are actually from Wheaton page 287 and 288...“ELEMENTS of INTERNATIONAL LAW. With A SKETCH of the HISTORY OF THE SCIENCE. By HENRY WHEATON,.
It is irrelevant as both Wheaton and Halleck mentioned it and your quote @319 was from Hallecks book not Wheatons...
Either way it destroys your argument...
because...
“ A treaty of peace does not extinguish claims unconnected with the cause of the war. ”...their words not mine....
Strike it from your list loser....as I've caught you cherry picking quotes from Wheaton or Halleck (your choice)...
Your experts opinion does not support your claim...
Oh and ...;-)))))
354
Have you not heard...? Argentina are barred from taking the case to the ICJ....according to Terry Hill ...through Extinctive Prescription....
Oh what a hoot...;-)))
356 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
May 29th, 2015 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can nit-pick as much as you want, it doesn't in anyway alter the accepted affect of a peace treaty. Which both authors amongst all of their contemporaries state “..If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the conqueror, and his title cannot afterwards be called in question...” Or the The Argentine president Domingo Sarmient's acknowledgement that there were no “..claims unconnected with the cause of the war....” So you can pontificate and stamp your little feet all you want. It doesn't alter the legal effects of such a damaging admission by an Argentine leader.
Nor have you produced an effective rebuttal of the opinions of Carlos Pereyra, Alfredo R. Burnet-Merlín, or Ernesto J. Fitte. Neither does it alter the fact that subsequently Argentina legally acquiesced by making only one further official lamentation prior to 1941.
“Argentina are barred from taking the case to the ICJ....according to Terry Hill ...through Extinctive Prescription....” Which was complete with the prerequisite legal opinions. Whereas you have failed to produce one legal expert holding a contrary opinion. Oops foot in mouth again.
@347 Voice. It was a treaty to restore perfect relations and settle any existing differences between the two nations. Hence if nothing is said conquered lands or places remain with the possessor. Argentina was aware of this - protests stopped (The UP had been making protests every year right up to 1849) and Argentinean presidents and vice-president made statements in congress supporting the fact that they no longer had any disagreements with Britain.
May 29th, 2015 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@339 paulcedron/cara de orto podrido/payaso/mamarrracho/nabo/pelotudo etc etc
May 29th, 2015 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0What does Irish folk music have to do with the Falkland Islands?
@358 Brit Bob,
May 29th, 2015 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The malvinistas know this but are hoping that in a moment of weakness, caving in to their relentless bullshit, we will agree to things like “joint sovereignty” or “lease back” or some other such rot.
The idiots in the Foreign Office who thought up such foolishness, should now be prosecuted. Thats if any are still alive!
Because of their stupid ideas, the Argentines were emboldened, sensing weakness & all this malvinista sense of entitlement & of being hard-done-by, came about.
lndirectly, as we all know, this led to the invasion which cost so many lives.
This whole scenario should have been nipped in the bud long ago.
Voice/Think also knows this & is just hoping for a miracle as he knows that his team have nothing else, lol!
No Think, the Chinese Navy is NOT going to assist you to conquer the Falklands.
@359 gordo1,
paulcedron is just a trouble-making troll.
He offers nothing but childish insults.
Es un nabolito.
359 gordo
May 29th, 2015 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“What does Irish folk music have to do with the Falkland Islands?”
you are amazing, fatso.
you overcome yourself every fucking day regarding stupidity, imbecility and pelotudez.
well done, you ball of grease.
isolda:
shut-it
got-it?
Porque, baby-turnip?
May 29th, 2015 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you like the truth?
You ARE an ldiot troll,
A foul mouthed idiot troll with no original thoughts of your own.
YOU Shut it peon, at once.
isolda
May 29th, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0shut it
you are very, very foul mouthed.
so, stop embarrassing yourself isolda.
got it?
@ paulcedron, When you going to The falklands?? you sure you could afford it
May 29th, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0361 BottyBoyPaulie
May 29th, 2015 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0359 gordo
“What does Irish folk music have to do with the Falkland Islands?”
you are amazing, fatso.
you overcome yourself every fucking day regarding stupidity, imbecility and pelotudez.
well done, you ball of grease.
Nice one King-Felcher!!!
Insults aside, when are you going to answer the question?
More to the point, can you answer the question?
The Falkland Islands will be back under Argentine control within “20 years”, the country's foreign minister Hector Timerman has said ( 06/02/2013 )
tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock!!!!
You wanna bet Gollum? Hope you didn't put too much money on THAT horse...............
@365 toooldtodieyoung
May 29th, 2015 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine Confident of Falklands Agreement. Bogata, Tuesday, the Argentine Foreign Minister Juan Bramuglia told William Hardcastle, Reuter's correspondent to-day, that he was confident the dispute over the Falkland Islands could be settled, adding ''the British are gentlemen. I think it will be settled in that spirit,'' - Tuesday 6th April 1948
Minister Juan Bramuglia clearly hasn't met Conks.
May 29th, 2015 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0paulcedron,
May 29th, 2015 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever, niño
@365 toooldtodieyoung,
Timerman-within 20 years.
Hepatia-within 25(or more!)years.
lsolde(& all intelligent posters)-never.
The argie idiots should recall what happened in 1982 as this trumps ALL the bollocks about Vernet, the Plate losers and the fucking French and subsequent Spanish.
May 29th, 2015 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 982 you came, you saw, you boasted to the world you had the Falklands and once the Brits arrived you got your arses handed to you on a plate, END OF!
You LOST, so no more quoting ancient UN / argie 'demands' before 1982.
And what is their from 1982 for the argies to wave in front of the UN: the WHOLE WORLD backs us, except when push comes to shove then it's a unanimous PISS OFF LOSERS!
Ha, ha, you ALL KNOW I am correct.
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