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Hooligan involved in pepper spray attack at Argentina's super derby is remorseful
A long time identified hooligan supporter of Argentina's Boca Juniors, Adrian 'El Panadero' (the baker) Napolitano has admitted carrying out the pepper spray attack on River Plate players during last Thursday's super derby for the Libertadores Cup while arguing he did not realize the damage the assault would cause. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI would like to think that Chileans are above this stupidity, but we have fanatics that would do the same damn thing. (As the British a couple of decades ago.) the only solution is zero tolerance.
May 20th, 2015 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 There are groups of idiots everywhere that seem to gravitate towards football at it fulfils their tribal needs.
May 20th, 2015 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I read his confession elsewhere last night and it rambles but ultimately he didn't realise he had cameras filming him. Weird defence. He then went on to whine about him and his family. No remorse for the players he injured.
Unfortunately soccer also brings out the idiots in Australia too. Flares and balaclavas are the considered acceptable to some fans. Thankfully this culture doesn't infect the other football codes in Australia which are much more family friendly.
May 20th, 2015 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0This guy deserves a life ban from any football code worldwide. Let him watch the games on telly while he bakes his bread.
@1
May 20th, 2015 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t worry, unlike any other country were hooligans are lone wolf or independent groups, ONLY in Argentina the barras/hoolingans are in bed with the Clubs top dogs and players. And on from there they have links with the cops and politicians.
I wouldn’t care that much if they kill each other, thing is since, FpT we are in effect subsidizing these corrupt, bankrupt and decaying clubs that were about to collapse.
Every country has their problems with thugs. Its how you deal with them that is telling of the Society in general.
May 20th, 2015 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remember “Dame tu Mochilla” I bet he's not in jail even after filmed and broadcast world wide.
Let's see what happens with this guy...
Remorseful my ass. He new very well what the results of his actions would be. Why did he change his clothes to make his escape from the stadium?
May 20th, 2015 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yankeeboy
May 20th, 2015 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Every country has their problems with thugs. Its how you deal with them that is telling of the Society in general.”
have to agree.
and argentina is a disaster in that issue.
nothing will happen with this imbecile, and i honestly dont know what happened with the bici chorro, probably he will be candidate for something representing the frente para la victoria.
anyhow, the core of the problem is the peronismo.
they did more or less the same when menem, isabelita, cámpora and perón were in charge.
now it is aggravated with justicia legítima and the jueces garantistas.
well, the us and the uk are not the example to follow either, no?
since bush and blair are not behind bars yet, you realize that they are a joke too.
@7 That was an interesting post until you just had to throw in an irrelevant issue at the end.
May 20th, 2015 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, tell me more about the Argentine court ruling on the paedophile that has been all over your news. Do you think it is representative of your country that a paedophile should have his sentence reduced because the very young child is 'showing signs of being gay'?
It is similar to the biker gangs in the US. Low IQ individuals huddle together to make themselves feel important as they are all wearing the same color's.
May 20th, 2015 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 08. That ruling is shameful and telling. There's really something wrong with the system/society where something so insane could happen.
May 20th, 2015 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are people so surprised about his comments of lamenting being filmed..
May 20th, 2015 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boca Jrs radio commentator... “Never IN SIGHT of everybody do you strike an elbow that oblidges an expulsion”
7:46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmp_GnT5um8
Very Boquita...very grassita
Argentina's incarceration rate is one of the lowest of any nation in the world above 5 million people in relation to the crimes commited (about 0.020% per 100k). We are a forgiving nation, we should not take the model of the EUians, NorthAmoans, Ozzers, Brazzos, Chilis, Jappers, Canarians, or Chinkers, and just jail everyone willy-nilly, they are pathetic societies that even with incarceration rates 20 TIMES higher than us, have just about the same amount of crime, or only 20% of it. Imagine if they had our incarceration rates, EUialand and NorthAmoland would be war zones with mass shootings, terrorist attacks, racial assaults, on a daily basis..
May 20th, 2015 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, err, wait.
However, for serious crimes (murder, rape, defrauding elderly, pedophilia, and choosing anything foreign over anyhing argentine), there should be labor camps. Every jail should be self-sufficient from food to energy from the work of the inmates. Society should not pay for them. If they refuse to work, they can stay in a cell and see how it goes without water or food or sunlight.
Simple rules that would save billions on unnecesary incarcerations, on maintaining jails (self-sufficient), and on ridiculously long and complex justice systems and lawyers. Billions that could go elsewhere.
The world would do well to follow my superior noetic system.
elaina
May 20th, 2015 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it is not irrelevant, since it is referred to justice.
about those pieces of scum, both the judge and the offender, they must rot in jail.
the judge is another example of juez “garantista”, zaffaroni style.
sadly there are a lot like him, sal lari for example.
now, the unthinkable thing is that an imbecile like that judge, who probably does not even understand the etymology of the word psychology, concludes that a kid of 6 year old could be gay.
everybody understands that the abuser should receive the harsher sentence, except this son of a b*tch.
so i do not think is “representative of my country”.
it would be as asking if you think that is representative of england, that during +30 years an organisation of 1500 offenders, including politicians and celebrities, have been operating with absolute impunity.
as they say, justicia que llega tarde, no es justicia.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/20/1400-suspects-operation-hydrant-politician-and-celebrity-child-sex-abuse-inquiry
Elaine is a poor elderly lady who cannot bow to superior intelligence (in this forum, only me).
May 20th, 2015 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I told her YEARS ago that the Argentina should tax everyone by amount of street and highway usage, that is to say, whoever drives more pays more. She said I was a fool for such notions.
http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-test-pay-per-mile-idea-replacement-gas-060348629.html
As I have always said, I'm am 5 steps ahead of those 3 steps head of the others here.
@14 Well, with those big feet you may be ahead on the road but you are going nowhere. Another useless member of a society.
May 20th, 2015 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you should look at why your prison populations are so low. It is not because you have less criminals it is because you have a higher tolerance of crime.
@13 Good to know you think that. When you read TTT's answer you can see why it is tolerated.
Who are you to judge whether I am useless or not??
May 20th, 2015 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 It is my opinion formed from all that you have revealed about yourself over the years. You are quite the blabbermouth.
May 20th, 2015 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least I blabber from my mouth!
May 20th, 2015 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL. Read the original interviews. He's sorry that he got CAUGHT. And he's SORRY that he caused a forfeiture against HIS team. And ss with all things rotting roadkill - somehow - he is the victim in all this.
May 20th, 2015 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enrique Massot: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
@19 Quite. He didn't realise that he would be caught so he should be forgiven. It is all 'poor me, poor me, poor me'. Though, given how nutty the Boca fans are it is not the law he should be worried about.
May 20th, 2015 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16. “Who are you to judge whether I am useless or not??” Anybody is entitled to judge whether you are useless or not. By the way, you are useless. I have yet to see you post a useful or intelligent comment. If what you say isn't 'useful' then it must be 'useless'. Based on your comments, you embody everything that people find disgusting about argieland. I've no doubt you see yourself as some sort of super-intelligent 'urban warrior'. Done anything 'useful' in your life? Anytime? Ever?
May 20th, 2015 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FOR OUR NATIONAL TILINGUERIA WHO WATCHES IT ON IT.
May 20th, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must recognize that i was too upset, not only for the terrible episodes, but also for the hypocritical lectures of some journalists from the hegemonical press, who said that this kind of acts are just the result of a violent society, however they didn't say a word about the responsability of the president from boca, who renounced a few days ago, (Angelici), who is an operator of Mauricio Macri. In some way the defence that the so called independent journalism made of that guy was expectable, because they are partners. Macri is clarin's hope, because the corporation thinks that if he is elected as president, then they will recover the priviledges that they lost during C.F.K.'s governments.
Anyway i would be also too hypocritical if i dind't recognize that this kind of problems exist in all football teams. The entaills among leaders of football teams, hooligans, and politic sectors have always existed. I am not saying this, in order to justify or to minize those terrible acts, i say it because i won't never believe the hypocritical interpretation of many cretins from our corporate press, who blame the society only for those episodes, with the purpose of protecting their politic partners.
Beside, only our national tilingueria would believe that this sort of violent acts, happen in Argentina only.
@22 I think this kind of tribal/gang problem exists in most countries. Football just happens to be a convenient vehicle. Though I can't say I have heard of homemade pepper spray used by fans on an opposition team before this incident.
May 20th, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the point most of us are making is the complete lack of genuine remorse from the thug. He is sorry he got caught, not that he did it. He feels sorry for himself, not the injured players. He considers himself the victim.
The “barras bravas” are truly criminal organizations that have been thriving in Argentine soccer with the clubs' authorities complicity.
May 20th, 2015 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What makes this latest incident so telling is the blatant complicity of higher-up levels of Boca Juniors' authorities. Without diminishing “Panadero's” criminal actions, the investigation must also look at those in a position of letting shameful things like this happen.
enrique
May 20th, 2015 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0totally agree.
now let's not forget of the responsibility of the policia federal.
it is shameful when berni and angelici try to blame each other or whoever, instead of facing their own responsibilities.
they proved to be useless for avoiding the problem and for investigating it.
again it was the journalism, fox and gustavo grabia in this case, who found the guilty.
“They have been labelled the most violent and dangerous fans in Latin America, if not the world. In Argentina, an organized network of fan-run gangs known as ”barras bravas“ exert power over soccer clubs across the country, aided by deep political links and making huge sums of money in the process.”
May 20th, 2015 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Garriga sees the barras and their violence as serving a social function. Primarily formed of poor young men from Argentina's ”villas,“ or slums, the barra members gain a sense of belonging to a powerful social group, in which violence denotes honour.”
“The barras have enormous control over who plays for the club, who manages the club, and what benefits and privileges they are granted.”
They are basically Mafia controlled thugs. You have to wonder why CFK praises them and gives them free football.
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May 20th, 2015 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They wear Flares Skip...?
Is it a retro look...?
Lol Voice, just shafted Skippy!
May 20th, 2015 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember Voice with those Kangaroo's you need to get it in first attempt or the fuckers will kick your head off!
(Skippy still licking his swollen asshole).
these guys, the barras bravas, the ones who manage most of the clubs, the policia federal, some officers of the government, fútbol para todos etc, are all part of the same mafia.
May 20th, 2015 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0anyway, the result was 4 players with “minor injuries”
so this news is nothing when you compare it with this:
“Waco shootout: how a friendly Sunday get-together ended in a biker bloodbath
Tensions over vest patches or perhaps a parking incident left nine dead, 18 hurt and 170 arrested – and it could have been worse if the traffic hadn’t been so bad”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/20/waco-shootout-friendly-sunday-get-together-biker-bloodbath
1,000 weapons found in Waco restaurant – including one in a bag of tortilla chips
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/20/waco-shootout-friendly-sunday-get-together-biker-bloodbath
then you have to ask yourself why the fuck this 4th class newspaper only publishes bad news of argentina.
and it is not because they are dedicated to the “south atlantic” since they love to post good news from the uk, the us, chilotelandia, etc.
then you ask why these isleteers are so brainwashed.
@29 Ah, it didn't take long did it?
May 20th, 2015 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you admit the Mafia is running your country and you are worrying about Waco. I guess it is the lazy way of dealing with the problems in your country.
elaina...elaina
May 20th, 2015 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0things in argentina are a bit more complex than what this 4th class newspaper tries to make appear.
this 4th class newspaper uses the same binary logic than the ultra officialist media in argentina.
for this joke of newspaper anything related with argentina is crap, and anything related with the islets, the uk , the us, etc is great.
for the ultra k media is exactly the same in the contrary sense.
in the middle you will find the people who can think and discriminate.
sadly most of the readers of this 4th class newspaper are not between them.
@31 This is not a newspaper.
May 20th, 2015 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is the reason for your obsession with class?
22
May 20th, 2015 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine society is deeply sick... you are just another example.
Short, accurate and to the point coment of Juan Cruz Sanz about the “#Cultura del aguante”
http://www.infobae.com/2015/05/16/1729233-esto-es-joda
I said:
May 21st, 2015 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Flares and balaclavas are the considered acceptable to some fans.”
Voice says:
“They wear Flares Skip...?
Is it a retro look...?”
Yeah don't remember using the verb to wear. But if your comprehension reads it that way, then enjoy.
Feel less lonely now? Yeah didn't think so.
Perhaps you can help out your fan, Klingon because I can't fathom what he is telling you to “get it in first attempt”. But then again he actually chose to move from NZ back to Argentina. So we know how intelligent he isn't.
Or maybe it is a symptom of the Argentinean education system that makes nostrils believe that the EU and Australia and Japan have the same rates of crime as Argentina.
Yeah I do remember you using leg-wear and headwear in the same sentence though...;-)
May 21st, 2015 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0There was a considerable amount of violence at soccer matches in the late '90's & early 2000's in my country. It had less to do with the game than the simmering tensions between Serbs and Croats during and following the Balkan conflict. The authorities response was to ban ethnic designations from the teams names. Amazingly enough it actually worked.
May 21st, 2015 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously that wouldn't apply in this case.
http://www.bubblear.com/no-matter-infamous-panadero-not-going-prison/
May 21st, 2015 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Told ya..
and
its Telling
Arg Society is rotten to the core..
37 agree
May 21st, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0now, what about the US society?
Police report multiple fatalities in Texas shooting
Nine bikers dead, 18 injured as rival motorcycle gangs battle outside Texas 'Twin Peaks' restaurant: authorities
rotten to the core
Remember me saying I'd never drive in an Rg car because they don't even look like cars after an accident? Take a look at this horror...
May 21st, 2015 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/ciudades/Terrible-choque-colectivo-muertos-heridos_0_1361264001.html
Having cheap cars that are unsafe is not worth the risk. They need to increase their safty standards even if it means a lot of people can't afford cars. It is shameful this happens and it happens a lot.
but that multiple murder in texas is nothing when you compare it with the hundreds of racist crimes in st louis, missouri.
May 21st, 2015 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as i wisely said, only south africa during the apartheid and england during its whole existence can compete with the us in terms of racism.
bet they still have slaves.
the most retrograde nations on earth.
Homicide rate is higher in Argentina than US. More likely to be murdered in Argentina.
May 21st, 2015 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul is rightly proud of his Peronism and its “achievements”.
Media reports say the 16-year-old boyfriend has been charged with aggravated murder, femicide and forced abortion, and that he confessed to the killing when questioned by prosecutors, in a case that has dominated headlines in Argentina for weeks.
May 22nd, 2015 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The evidence comes from Manuel’s (the boyfriend) own statements, who accepted responsibility as being the perpetrator of the crime,” Argentina’s La Nacion newspaper quoted prosecutor Alejandro Sinopolis as saying.
The boyfriend’s mother and stepfather have been charged with being accessories to the same crimes, La Nacion reported.
Although femicides - the killing of a woman by a man because of her gender - are most common in Central America, Argentina reported 277 femicides last year, according to The Meeting House, a local women rights group.
micide stems largely from Latin America’s ‘macho’ culture, which tends to blame women for the violence inflicted on them and to condone it.
“It’s a cultural issue. The aggressor feels a woman belongs to him and he can do what he wants with her. We’re talking about machismo that sees a woman as an object, as inferior and someone who has to obey. If she doesn’t, disobedience is punished with beatings and even death,” Beatriz said.
- See more at: http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nation-and-world/killing-pregnant-teen-highlights-femicides-argentina#sthash.cOjsLa6K.dpuf
Strong with the weak and Weak with the Strong.
Its a nation of cowards
No honor.
ELAINE B (23):
May 22nd, 2015 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the first time i agree on something you said. I must recognize that i have serious doubts about whether the guy feels some remorse for what he did. It's obvious that he is not a victim in absolut, anway, if he feels that, not only we have to repudiate it, but also we don't have ignore the responsability of the leader of the football team, due to hegemonical press present him as a victim.
CABEZA DURA (32).
It was too obvious that you were going to buy so easily the argument about the violence in our society, but without saying a word in relation to the responsability of the leader of the football team, in fact, it's well known that our national tilingueria often makes that kind of mischievous lectures.
The day you decide to be honest, you'll realize that the question is much more complicated, and you'll see that it includes also the responsability of other actors. Only a hypocrite would blame just a few violent idiots. You and all those rabbles from the hegemonical press, who you love dating are expert in avoiding to mention the responsability of powerful actors.
#43 Axel
May 23rd, 2015 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine opposition media aka Grupo Clarin and similar have been muddling the whole affair in an effort to protect Boca Juniors' presidente Daniel Angelici. There is no way “panadero” could have perpetrated the attack without higher up complicity. The rope breaks at its weakest point.
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